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JonBenèt: Revisited (Feat. Cult of Conspiracy) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that will
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  Speaker 1: take you out of your comfort zone and make you
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  Speaker 1: question reality.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
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  Speaker 3: of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan Jack and today
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  Speaker 3: we bring back the Cosmic Peach. Welcome back to the cult.
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  Speaker 4: There, Julia, my favorite cult to be in. I can't
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  Speaker 4: wait for our meetings every month, every six weeks we
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  Speaker 4: get together.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the good thing about our cult. The good thing
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  Speaker 3: about our cult is that we're not brainwashing. We like
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  Speaker 3: to look at it as opening up third eyes, which
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  Speaker 3: is the opposite of brainwashing. It's d brainwashing if anything,
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  Speaker 3: no doubt.
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  Speaker 5: So to mention you're one of our cult favorites. Let's
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  Speaker 5: be honest. Every time you come on, we get such
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  Speaker 5: positive reviews, We get messages, oh my god, y'all have
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  Speaker 5: to bring cousm back on. Blah blah blah blah. Every
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  Speaker 5: time you come on, we have so much fun. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we absolutely love it.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Oh my gosh. That means the world to me, actually,
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  Speaker 4: because you know, sometimes it's like a lover hate situation.
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  Speaker 4: They either love when I come on, or they're like
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  Speaker 4: Jesus if they fire on one more time, I'm unsubscribing.
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  Speaker 5: Nah, we've actually ever had a negative review about you,
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  Speaker 5: or at least not to my knowledge.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean there's a couple of reaps out there.
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  Speaker 3: They'll say, dude, dime right, and I'll be like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we're trying to keep it professional over here, all right,
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  Speaker 3: we don't. We're not looking at people, especially not married women.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, that's not even the worst thing that could
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  Speaker 5: be said, Like, I mean, that's paying a compliment, right,
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think I've ever actually read a message
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  Speaker 5: that was like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Julia sucks.
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  Speaker 5: You don't know what she's talking about. Like every time
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  Speaker 5: that they that you, come on, I don't think we've
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  Speaker 5: ever had a negative review spoken once.
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  Speaker 4: That means the world to me. And the only reason
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  Speaker 4: I say that is because I went on What's mark
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  Speaker 4: show called Mistic.
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  Speaker 3: My family thinks I'm crazy.
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  Speaker 4: My family thinks I'm crazy. Yes, And they left an
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  Speaker 4: Apple review and they said please do not have on
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  Speaker 4: cosmic peach ever again, that was so exhausting to listen to.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, some people just love to hate. I mean, we
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  Speaker 3: got a we got a good amount of haters and uh,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about we're talking about actually turning it into
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  Speaker 3: a segment one day. But yeah, yeah, it's I mean,
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  Speaker 3: some people just love to hate. Some people just want
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  Speaker 3: to watch the world burn. And it's like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what to tell you, Like you think this show
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  Speaker 3: sucks so bad, but you listen to every episode, like
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  Speaker 3: like just watch something else. Like you're not gonna see
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  Speaker 3: me sitting at home watching a TV show and say, God,
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  Speaker 3: I fucking hate this show, but I can't wait until
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  Speaker 3: the next one drops.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, right at that point, leave a strongly worded
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  Speaker 5: message to the director about how much I hate his program.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm like, I'll be damned if I miss, Like,
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  Speaker 5: bro what.
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  Speaker 3: But also I think ultimately they you know, it's just
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  Speaker 3: like that bully syndrome. Some people just hurt people, hurt people,
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  Speaker 3: and they just look for they want to shift that
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  Speaker 3: negative emotion and that negative energy onto other people. Because
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  Speaker 3: Mystery Loves Company. Well, I tell you what, there's never
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  Speaker 3: been a message that we read that has made us
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  Speaker 3: want to go into that way of thinking. We are
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  Speaker 3: not negative nancies. We are not people that just like
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  Speaker 3: to throw shit at the wall, you know, and call
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  Speaker 3: it art. Okay, this is right. This is something that
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  Speaker 3: we love doing and we love our guests, and we
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  Speaker 3: especially love you because you go into some great, great
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  Speaker 3: detail on all of your topics. And today is no
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  Speaker 3: different because we are getting into John Beney Ramsey. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I have hinted around for a couple of
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  Speaker 4: episodes we work together. It's like, oh, you have to
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  Speaker 4: let me do John Benet. You know, you have to
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  Speaker 4: have me come back and do John Benet. So this
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  Speaker 4: is the fated John Benet episode, and it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be very dense with information. So just like the Marilyn
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  Speaker 4: Monroe episode, please just break in if you have questions,
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  Speaker 4: because if you have questions, that probably means that the
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  Speaker 4: listeners are thinking the same thing. And I first want
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  Speaker 4: to start off actually by asking you, guys, how much
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  Speaker 4: do you really know about this case? And what do
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  Speaker 4: you know about the conspiracy theories around this case?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so before I answer this, let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 5: give a big old disclaimer to all the good members listening.
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  Speaker 5: This episode is not going to be a fun topic.
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  Speaker 5: This is this is a very disgusting thing that happened
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  Speaker 5: by some very disgusting people. I personally believe satanic like,
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  Speaker 5: that's the only thing to be described to this caliber
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  Speaker 5: of human being that would do this to a child.
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  Speaker 5: Now that that is out of the way, and we've
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  Speaker 5: already got our goggles on, our tempfoil hats, letting us
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  Speaker 5: know that, yes, we're going into that level of nastiness.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I know.
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  Speaker 5: And A granted I was very young when this was
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  Speaker 5: being shown on all the tabloids. As I was going
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  Speaker 5: to the wind Dixie with my mom, right, and I
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  Speaker 5: asked her, Oh, who's that little girls?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Right. I was born in ninety two, so I remember
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  Speaker 5: four three or four years old singing all over these papers,
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  Speaker 5: all over the little magazines and the racks, and I
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  Speaker 5: asked my mom. And I never really looked much into
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  Speaker 5: it until my teenage years, and then once I found
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  Speaker 5: a little bit out about it, I kind of stopped
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  Speaker 5: looking because again, teenage Jacob wasn't ready to dive into
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  Speaker 5: that level of the muck, you know, so generally speaking,
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  Speaker 5: and I could be completely wrong with what I'm about
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  Speaker 5: to say, but here's what I got. John and A
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  Speaker 5: Ramsay was a young girl who was, if I'm not mistaken,
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  Speaker 5: a model or her parents were trying to make her
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  Speaker 5: a model or something. There's tons of glamour shots of
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  Speaker 5: her being taken, so I'm assuming something in that regard.
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  Speaker 5: Her parents, to my knowledge, also made child porn with
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  Speaker 5: her as the subject. And then they murdered her. And
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  Speaker 5: whenever the cops came and raided the house, they found
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of other child porn in the house as well,
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  Speaker 5: and it was That's pretty much it. All I know
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  Speaker 5: is that they kept investigating, and they kept getting worse
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  Speaker 5: and worse the worse they got. And then later I
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  Speaker 5: heard that there was some sort of a conspiracy tying
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  Speaker 5: her to someone, and I could not tell you off
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  Speaker 5: top who it was, but some there was a bigger
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  Speaker 5: picture here. That was all I ever really heard about it.
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  Speaker 5: So Jonathan, what about you.
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  Speaker 3: Bron, I'm gonna be real with you. Of all of
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  Speaker 3: the conspiracies that we've talked about, all the ones that
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  Speaker 3: I've studied on the side, this one I never really
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  Speaker 3: got into. I don't know a whole lot about John
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  Speaker 3: bin A Ramsey. I knew, like the basics, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that it was just a little girl that was murdered, right,
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  Speaker 3: But I never really knew the full extent of it.
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  Speaker 3: So this is really gonna be my first time hearing
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So I got someone who's kind of a
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  Speaker 4: new be into it, and then someone who knows some
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  Speaker 4: pretty decent amount that's good. And there is someone that
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  Speaker 4: went on tinfoil hat and did an episode that she
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  Speaker 4: made the case. And I'm not shit talking, because everybody
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  Speaker 4: has a right to believe in whatever conspiracy theory they
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  Speaker 4: want to, because at the end of the day, their theories.
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  Speaker 4: But she made the theory that John Bennay never existed
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  Speaker 4: and that she wasn't real, and that caught on and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people started like, oh, yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 4: you're right, it doesn't add up, and she maybe she
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  Speaker 4: was never real. You're never going to hear that. Leave
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  Speaker 4: my lips. I, as a disclaimer, think that she was
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  Speaker 4: a very real person. I don't think she's Katy Perry
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  Speaker 4: or Lady Gaga or any of this.
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  Speaker 5: There it is stupid.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that at all. I do believe
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  Speaker 4: she was a real little girl. I think she's really dead.
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  Speaker 4: And I've researched this for three years now and I
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  Speaker 4: have not come across anything that would make me believe
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  Speaker 4: that she was just a CGI project that they were
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  Speaker 4: working on. I've actually found more evidence to the contrary
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  Speaker 4: that she really existed, and this is horrible what happened, right, I.
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  Speaker 5: Heard almost never existed. I've heard I heard that one right,
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  Speaker 5: that she became Katy Perry. I forgot about it as
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  Speaker 5: soon as you said it jogged the memory. But I
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  Speaker 5: didn't hear someone ever say that she was fake and
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  Speaker 5: it was just a like false flag event.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of wild to me.
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  Speaker 5: That'd be like saying Katy Anthony's daughter wasn't really a
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  Speaker 5: kid and that was all prop and.
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  Speaker 4: Like, well, that's exactly that's a perfect example. That's exactly
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  Speaker 4: what that she was trying to say. Which if she
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  Speaker 4: believes that and that's her theory and she feels like
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  Speaker 4: she can support that, then you know, how about it.
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  Speaker 4: But I've found evidence to the contrary. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: believe that she was real and that this is a
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  Speaker 4: horrible tragedy. And in my mind, I think of it
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  Speaker 4: like if you're if one of your children died in
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  Speaker 4: this way and then some conspiracy theory ten twenty years
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  Speaker 4: after it happened, was like that little kid never existed,
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  Speaker 4: Like how would that make you.
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  Speaker 3: Feel, you know, to be fair, to be fair that like,
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  Speaker 3: it's not something that the government hasn't done, like, and
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  Speaker 3: that's where people start to really start mixing up the
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  Speaker 3: stories because the government is capable of a lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: There's always false flags, right, Like, that kind of shit
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  Speaker 3: is always around. So I don't put anybody out a
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  Speaker 3: fault for believing that, although it can be a dangerous thing.
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  Speaker 3: And but you know, it's kind of like the moon landing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like.
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  Speaker 5: Just either say, like if they faked an entire moonlanding,
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  Speaker 5: you think we couldn't fake a little girl's picture.
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  Speaker 3: Like well real, And so the idea behind the faking
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  Speaker 3: of the moonland it's just because they fake footage doesn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily mean they fake going to the moon, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because that's that's entirely possible. That's something that we like
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  Speaker 3: to bring up over here and just stay completely open minded.
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  Speaker 3: Just because I fake something doesn't mean that I actually
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  Speaker 3: didn't do it. There is still room for opportunity to
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  Speaker 3: like have done it, but then fake the footage. Just look,
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  Speaker 3: you know, whenever we were talking about Roswell, like all
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  Speaker 3: those pictures of all the stage like aluminum, this is
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  Speaker 3: the aluminum foil. This is the crash landing of the
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  Speaker 3: UFO whenever, Like no, there were people that came out
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  Speaker 3: and said, yeah, we stage that, but the meta material
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  Speaker 3: was actually real, so both things could be happening at
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  Speaker 3: the same time.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so happy to hear you say that space is
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  Speaker 5: no longer faking gay. I'm so happy to hear that
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  Speaker 5: you're at least opening your mind to the to the thought.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, isn't faking gay.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to think, but my mind used
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  Speaker 3: to go, if there's fucker foot, then everything's fake. And
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  Speaker 3: that's not That's not the right way to go about it.
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  Speaker 3: And it is easy to get carried away with that
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But anyway, let's get back to John Benay.
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  Speaker 3: I want to hear this story.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: gray area on everything.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You can be on total opposite ends of the spectrum
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  Speaker 4: and then eventually find yourself kind of in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: And the whole thing about her not being real in
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  Speaker 4: this being like a like a Jacob said, like a
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  Speaker 4: false flag or something never vibed with me, because what
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  Speaker 4: is the motive behind doing that? And the camp who
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  Speaker 4: thinks that she never existed say that it was to
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  Speaker 4: harvest our energy and our loosh from all this trauma
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  Speaker 4: and people obsessing over it, and that never really vibed
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  Speaker 4: with me, like, okay, they're harvesting our loosh or whatever. Okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: But what if the real reason that this happened was
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  Speaker 4: way darker and far more occult than that. And that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of where I went.
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  Speaker 2: Because lush was a term that they used to use.
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  Speaker 5: Right, this is back before we understood that cooking down
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  Speaker 5: blood could get pure adrenochrome. So are we saying the
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  Speaker 5: same thing with different words or do you mean a
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  Speaker 5: whole other substance?
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  Speaker 3: And lush is typically like your spiritual energy, right.
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  Speaker 4: Your spiritual energy. It was to like harvest our spiritual
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  Speaker 4: energy over obsessing of what happened to this little girl
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  Speaker 4: who never existed or something to And again, if you
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  Speaker 4: believe that, cool, But I found a lot more evidence
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  Speaker 4: to support that they didn't give a shit about what
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  Speaker 4: was going on with our energy, and it was more
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  Speaker 4: a huge like how do we cover this up now
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  Speaker 4: that we did this kind of thing?
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  Speaker 5: So there's more energy vampire type situation with the loosh.
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe in the loosh thing.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, then Jonathan, this is the first time ever really asked, like,
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  Speaker 5: is that a is that like an energy vampire type thing?
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  Speaker 5: If they put a spirit of fear in the whole country,
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  Speaker 5: then like the manifestation of bad shit? Is that kind
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  Speaker 5: of in that vibe.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't necessarily have to be an evil thing either. So like,
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  Speaker 3: for example, you go to let me just say, I'll
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  Speaker 3: go to a Steelers game in Pittsburgh. You got ye
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  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand fans. However, many of the stadium holds,
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  Speaker 3: they're all, well, the majority of them are hoping and
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  Speaker 3: praying that you know, Russell Wilson, now our Lord and
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  Speaker 3: Savior is going to throw that game winning touchdown pass right,
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  Speaker 3: And so you got everybody's energy, everybody's hopes, everybody's dreams
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  Speaker 3: that are really giving it that much more energy. And
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  Speaker 3: so in that sense, it's it can be a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: But whenever you're talking about energy harvesting, energy vampires and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that, that is definitely a real thing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: like you walk into a room in you sense, oh dude,
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the fucking vibe in here. It's usually
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  Speaker 3: because there's like some asshole that just like wants to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just make it all about himself or you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe I don't know, it gets really really murky, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there are people who can use it for negative and
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  Speaker 3: positive in my opinion, but I don't believe.
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  Speaker 5: The Company Ramsey thing was that at all, to be.
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  Speaker 4: Honest, right, So I was going to say, not that
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that people's energy have been used for
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that. I do believe in that, but not
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  Speaker 4: in this case, I should specify not in the case
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  Speaker 4: of John bin A Ramsey. I don't think that has
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  Speaker 4: shit to do with what happened. So we're going to
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  Speaker 4: go traveling back into time now to Boulder, Colorado, December
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  Speaker 4: the twenty fifth Christmas Day in nineteen ninety six. So
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  Speaker 4: I read a book by David McGowan called Program to Kill,
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  Speaker 4: and he has an entire section dedicated to John ben
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  Speaker 4: A Ramsey, and I took part of his research and
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  Speaker 4: kind of expanded it by looking into things that have
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  Speaker 4: happened since he wrote that book, which is a long
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  Speaker 4: time ago. And that's where you find the best evidence,
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  Speaker 4: because you first start off with like a foundation. This
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  Speaker 4: doesn't add up, This doesn't add up. This doesn't add up,
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  Speaker 4: and then you go looking for your self and you
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  Speaker 4: find a shit ton more that doesn't add up. So
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  Speaker 4: she was found in the basement of their home. She
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  Speaker 4: was wrapped in a blanket, and it was actually her
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  Speaker 4: favorite blanket, so it wasn't from the outside, it was
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  Speaker 4: a blanket from inside the home. She had a strip
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  Speaker 4: of duct tape that covered her mouth. Her right wrist
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  Speaker 4: was raised above her head and it was bound. Her
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  Speaker 4: hands were bound up in some kind of a cord.
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  Speaker 3: Now, just to just to clarify how old, how old
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  Speaker 3: was she when over all this was going down. Six okay,
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  Speaker 3: damn young?
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  Speaker 4: Six years old and she was actually born in August
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  Speaker 4: six for those who remember my weird thing about August
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  Speaker 4: in August.
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  Speaker 3: Third number eight, Hey, dude, this show was born in August,
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  Speaker 3: all right, so it's not all bad.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, she had some core wrapped around her wrists.
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  Speaker 4: She had cord wrapped around her neck, and the cord
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  Speaker 4: that was wrapped around her neck had a broken off
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  Speaker 4: paint brush handle that was twisted around the cord to
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  Speaker 4: make a like a makeshift garrot to tighten the cord
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  Speaker 4: to strangle her with. And what it was Also odd
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  Speaker 4: is that the blanket she was covered up with was
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  Speaker 4: from inside the house. The broken off paint brush handle
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  Speaker 4: came from the mother's art supplies, also from inside the house.
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  Speaker 4: The cord was from art supplies, also from inside the house.
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  Speaker 4: And to all of the investigators that arrived on the scene,
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  Speaker 4: they said her bindings looked staged, so it would not
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  Speaker 4: if you're thinking about a six year old girl, what
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  Speaker 4: and you're an adult man? That's what they say that
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  Speaker 4: it had to be an adult man that did this
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  Speaker 4: to her. Why go through all the rigmarole of going
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  Speaker 4: through the house to find art supplies to make this
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  Speaker 4: makeshift grot to tie around her neck, to bind her
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  Speaker 4: hands and bind her all up. And when you're dealing
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  Speaker 4: with a six year old girl and you are an
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  Speaker 4: adult man, this simple strength of your fucking hand could
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  Speaker 4: crush her throat and choke her. Why are we going
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  Speaker 4: through all the unnecessary bits of Like I just broke
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  Speaker 4: into this house, I have a limited amount of time
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: to pull this shit off. Let me go find the
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: nearest art supplies, right cord, Let me break off this
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: paintbrush handle. Let me start wrapping this little girl up
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: all while she's not screaming or saying a word when
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: you could just choke her if we're going to do it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Was there other signs of a struggle as far as like,
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: was it like this assailant uh somehow needed to restrain
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: in all of these ways and like there was a
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: scratch and all the stuff to wear it was like
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: a fight, or like you said, she was just sitting
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: completely still and was chill the whole time.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: That's question number one.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Question number two was the art supplies just like out
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: and about on the kitchen table to where it was
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: easily accessible to grab or would this person have to
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: have known specifically where these things were because just throwing
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: it out, if I wanted a long hard object in
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: the house for some sort of thing, I'd grab a fork.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Those are in the kitchen. Every house has that you
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: wouldn't go to find specifically these things. So that would
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: lead me to believe that this was somebody who had
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: a very intimate knowledge of the house and the contents.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Thereof let's just not put a name on who the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: assailant is and say you're absolutely right, and whoever whoever
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: it was, had to have an intimate knowledge of where
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: things were kept in the house. That's a red flag
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: to me, right, seeing as how they never came out
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: with a suspect that anybody that the Ramsey family knew
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: that had been in their house that would have known
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: where those things were. They never came up with a
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: suspect like that, So red.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Flat, which where I guess I guess my question is
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: is like, where's the motivation for wanting to kill this
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: little girl in the first place? Was her family like
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: wrapped up in some things that we don't know about,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, did her Well.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: We're going to get to that part, but first we're
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: talking about the body and then I'm going to tell
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: you possible motives. So she was in a white sweatshirt
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: and had an undershirt underneath it, and she had pajama
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: bottoms on which an autopsy report later revealed we're stained
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: with blood, and inspection with a black light indicated that
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: there was semen on both of her thighs, but the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: medical examiner made no mention of that in his official report,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: and we'll get to why he might have been trying
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: to hide that shit later. But to some investigators, it
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: looked as though she had been redressed after her death. Okay,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: So that is also odd. If you are coming in
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: as an outside assailant, you're taking her clothes off, you're
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: molesting her, then you're redressing her, then you're finding art supplies,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: then you're writing a ransom note, then you're escaping into
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: the night, then you're doing all within. Like if you're
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: breaking into a house, you've got what ten to fifteen
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: minutes to do what the fuck you're gonna do and
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: get out before somebody wakes up, the kids starts screaming,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: shit goes awry.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this seems more like the more we get into
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the detail, and like I said, I don't really know
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: a whole lot about it, but it seems like you
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: know something that would happen if if it's coming from
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: inside the house and not necessarily outside the house. Because
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: if you're just somebody who's gonna be breaking in, you're
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: not worried about making the scene look good or you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: plotted or anything like that. From the inside, you're gonna
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: try and get as descriptive and as like tedious as
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: you possibly can with every single detail that you make
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: to make it look like this was some kind of
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: crazy thing. Whenever. I mean, I don't know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: You also have plenty of time, right, right, it's your house.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: But why would you That's the other thing too, Why
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: would you go through all that to redress the body
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: but leave the cord and leave it restraint?
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Like why wouldn't Saint brush handle leave all of that?
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Like that did make sensight well, it makes you wonder
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: like were they trying to stage it so much so
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: that like they were trying to make it look like, Oh,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: this little six year old girl, she was playing in
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: arts and crafts, right, and she did this to herself in.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: The most ridiculous set of accidental o's that led to
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: her strangling herself by tightening this around her neck. Like
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: it's the wildest chain of events.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna be the craziest, most unbelievable shit. Because
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the autopsy showed that she had been sexually abused, that
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: she had been beaten about the head, she had a
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: massive skull for acture, and then in combination with the
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: skull fracture, had been strangled and rigor mortis had fully
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: set in. When the police on the scene reported this
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: that when they found her body, they said they smelled decomposition,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: so she had been dead for a while, but by
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: the time the police got there, she also had undigested
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: food in her stomach and small intestine identified as pieces
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: of pineapple, so she had eaten shortly before her death.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: So we're building a timeline now of when this could
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: have possibly occurred. In between the time of her death
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: and the time that the police got there and she
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: had they took pictures of everything. She had drawn a
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: little heart on the palm of her hand, so obviously
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: she had done that recently. At some point during the
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: day she was playing drawing and drew a heart on
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: her hand. She had a necklace on with a crucifix,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: and then she had on a bracelet with her name,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: John Beney Ramsey engraved on it that she might have
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: gotten for Christmas that year. So on December twenty fifth,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Christmas Day, nineteen ninety six, the previous evening, so they
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: say her time of death was the twenty six So
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: after midnight on Christmas is when they say that she died.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: But Christmas Day, John Beney had attended a party at
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: the home of family friends with her parents, John and Patsy.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: The family friend's names were the Whites. It was Patricia
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: or not Patricia with somebody and the husband's name was
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Fleet White and they were super super super ritchy rich,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: upper echelon motherfucker's having this Christmas party. Like just imagine
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: the type of wealth that these people had. And it's
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: a Christmas parties like some eyes wide shut level fucking
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Christmas party activities going on.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: And that's my next question is was it just a
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: family get together and it was just like kids running
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: around or was it understood that this was like a
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: group of people that are doing bad shit Christmas party?
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Well? I think that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: So in.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Program to Kill It talks about that some of the
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: most elite citizens of Boulder, Colorado were invited to this
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Christmas party. The mayor, police officers, BA x y Z,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: they're all invited to this Fleet's family Christmas party. And
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: John and Patsy with their two kids, John Benet and
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: the brother Burke are invited to this Christmas party.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: So were they wealthy? I never remember hearing they were billionaires.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: They were billionaires.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: They were billionaires. The Rams, the Ramseys company, Access Graphics,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: turned over a billion dollars the year John Benet was murdered.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Whoa wow ballers?
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, So this was in some little suburban household
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: that had some weird shit going on behind closed doors.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: These these were this caliber. I'm with you.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Did John may have any siblings?
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Burke her brother Burke Okay older, Yep he was. So
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: she was six and he was nine when she died. Wow,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: so she has a little bit of an older brother.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Where is he these days?
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Do we know? Or are we gonna?
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you where he is these days?
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: But uh so they go to the Fleet's family fucking
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: eyes wide shut Christmas party, right. They say that they
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: returned back to their home at nine thirty pm. John
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Bennet supposedly fell asleep in the back seat of the
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: car on their way from the Fleet's house to their house.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: So when they got home, John said that he put
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: her in bed around ten pm and just left her there.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: And then Patsy says she woke up sometime around five
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: am that morning and found a ransom note on their stairs,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: and she goes into John Benet's room, throws open the door.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: John Benet's not there, and she places a frantic nine
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: to one one call sometime around five fifty two am,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: and in the background of this nine one one call,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: you can hear several voices, not Patsy, because Patsy's the
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: one calling. And they claim that no one else was
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: at the house and that the little brother Burke was
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: still asleep. But if you listen back to the nine
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: one one call, you can hear several voices in the background,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: So who was there, obviously. And I watched an interview
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: with the nine one one call UH operator and listen
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: to the actual call itself, and Patsy is frantic. She's like,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: oh my god, my baby's gone. Somebody get here. I'm
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: the mother. This is our address. Somebody get here right away, hurry,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: and then she like goes to hang up the phone,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't hang up, and then it's just silence
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: for like two minutes.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: So it was just like just staged.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: But so the nine one one operator was like, I
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: have children. If my child was missing, the nine one
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: one call is your line of hope. You never would
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: want to hang that phone up until the police were
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: at your door. Why would you hang up on that
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: line of hope. Somebody just took your baby. It's Christmas.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: You're going around the house and can't find her. You're
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: making a nine one call and you just hang up.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Somebody took my baby. Oh my god, oh my god,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: and then hang up. You don't even know for sure
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: if she sent someone. You don't know for sure if
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: the intruder's still in the house, and you need to
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: be on the phone, like you know nothing.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, did she even did she even give like
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the address to the house.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: It was like, real quick, she was like, oh my god,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: oh my god, my baby's gone. I'm the mother, this
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: is our address. Hurry get here quick. And then like
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: went to hang up the phone. Obviously it's a landline,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: it's nineteen ninety six, but it doesn't hang up. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: the operator said it has haunted her to this day.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: How she was so frantic and oh my god, oh
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: my god, oh my god. And then thinks she hangs
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: up the phone and then the tone just switches and
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: she's and they hear voices in the background like, hey,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: we called nine one one. What do we do now?
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: What?
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: Wow?
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: And you can hear the little brother Burke being like
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: what's going on in the background, and they were like, oh,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: he was asleep the whole time. He never knew what
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: was happening. Fucking the little brother's awake. John is obviously
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: the dad is awake. Patsy's fucking putting on a grade
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: A performance. And right after she eventually the phone just
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: clicks off. And I'm assuming it's because right after Patsy
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: calls nine one one, she calls Fleet White to come
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: over to the house before the police have even gotten there.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: The rich family that they were at the Christmas party.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: And this is stap motherfucker to come over before the.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Police even And this is real early in the morning.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Five point fifty two in the morning, after he just
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: hosted a Christmas party at his.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: House, probably got a little schwated the night before. Sure, right, yeah,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that, all right, Like that doesn't
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: make any damn sense. Why would you do that? It
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: seems so sketchy, this whole thing already.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: It's already unraveling, man, Okay, Now, listen, White was like
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: the guy right he was in the plug in the
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: click of Boulder, Colorado, so like, and like you said,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: he was friends with a lot of the cops. So like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: if something bad happened, you would want the most powerful
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: dude in the city on your side, or at least
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: helping in some way, but maybe I don't know why
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: you would call him now.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: But all right, the police haven't even gotten there yet.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: You just found a supposed ransom note, and you can't
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: find your kid in your house. The first thing you're
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: gonna do is call the guy who's Christmas party you
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: were just that to come over.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that that doesn't check out.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Is there any recording of that conversation?
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: There's phone records.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, but no, like you can't listen back to whatever
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: conversation they had.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: The district attorney would not allow those records to be pulled,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: those those phone calls to be pulled, And here we go.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: You know DA's DA's always getting paid off, dude, Like
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: that's that's something that is a very regular thing that
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: is constantly happening, especially coming from billionaires. Dude, just call
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: up the DA be like, look, I don't care what
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: you do.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: You're in a situation.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I need you to prevent it and come
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: up with a good reason why you don't. You're not
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: going to allow it to be released.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Now. The police do arrive seven minutes after Patsy places
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: the phone call, which she must have lived pretty close
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: to the Whites house because that motherfucker was already there
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: when the police got there, so he lives even closer
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: than seven minutes away from them. And the police get there,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Patsy's putting on her grade a performance, blah blah blah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: But one of the investigator's notes that this is not
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: the first nine to one one call that's been placed
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: from the Ramsey residence within the last couple of days.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: This is actually the second nine to one one call
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: that's been placed from the Ramsey's home within a matter
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: of days. The first one the DA's office would never
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: allow to be disclosed, Okay, come on, dude. So on
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: the night of the Christmas party, it was attended by
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: an estimated one hundred guests drawn from the elite of
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Boulder Society. And also the guest list for that party
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: has never been made public.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Ran flag number four at least, right.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And the reason for the first nine one
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: one call, although it should be extremely important to this case,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: has also never been made public. And so the officers
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: get there and they're like, okay, show me the ransom note. Right,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: the ransom note is three pages long.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Good god.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: The ransom note is three pages long, and it's written
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: on a notepad from the Ramseys writing desk, and also
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: written with a pin from the Ramsey's pin cup that's
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: under their phone in the kitchen, a whole room away.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: They didn't even try this handwriting.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Whoa what?
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: It's in handwriting the mother patsy. Okay, So, Red Flag
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: number eight. I think I'm starting to lose count already,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: but I'm gonna do my damn here good cult members
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: to keep the Red Flag counter alive and well here so,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: and I think I'm missing a little bit of a
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: time gap here. You said that all this happened. When
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: did they find her body?
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: They're still not looking for the fucking body even after
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: the police get there. So five point fifty two, she
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: places the phone call to nine one one, five fifty six,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: she places the phone called the fleet White. Fleet White's
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: asses over there. Seven minutes later, the police's asses over there,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: and they're like, okay, show us the ransom note. That's
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: where we're at right now.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: The story right now is that the bad guy, the assailant,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: the attacker, took her from the residence and was holding
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: her ransom and like that that's the other thing, before
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: we even get to, like you said, how the body
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: was found and where all these things came from. I'm
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: making sure that we're on the same page here as
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: of where we're at with the story. She is gone
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: and there is a ransom note, and we don't know
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: anything about the art supply stuff just yet, right.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: You know, so don't know until like later in the
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: investigation with handwriting samples, that it was Patsy's hand, that
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: it was supplies taken from the Ramsay's home to write
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: the note with the pen all the shit that we
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: don't find that out till later in the investigation, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: that's what it was. Now they're under the assumption that
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: John Beney has been removed from the home and now
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: they want to inspect this ransom note.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Three pages long long?
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Kind of what kind of demands were they making that
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: required that much literary space? Usually like one or two
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: sentences or else, and then like a threat usually gets
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: the job done. I mean, I don't know, I've never
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: done something, but I feel like less is more.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: It's a sales job at this point.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Right, and the imagination the more would seem scary, and like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: what are they what are they going to do? You
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: never know? Three pages It's like that's the whole manifesto
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: in this.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Real about this. Okay, I'm about to read you the
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: ransom note. Although it is very long, you're going to
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: have to hear it because a lot of the evidence
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: that I have put together just proves in a million
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: ways how this was Patsy writing it. Okay, okay, But
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: the thing is, if you're going after let's let's talk
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: real life right now, you're going after a million slash billionaires,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: and you're taking their daughter and you're running the fuck
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: off with her, and you're demanding a ransom, how much
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: are you going to demand as a ransom for this girl?
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: How much would you ask for? Million billionaires? You're fucking
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: stealing Bill Gates's kid? How much are you going to
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: ask for?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Are we're talking that's some doctor evil type shit? One
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: billion dollars?
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, in just thinking realistic, right, Like, I wouldn't
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: ask for let's say it's Bill Gates because like it
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: depends on the person, depends on how much they're worth
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: and assets and how much they may have liquid at
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: the time. Being real here, if I was gonna do
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: that and I'm actually trying to successfully get a payday
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: and get the fuck out of Dodge, and like I
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: even think there's a remote chance of this happening. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: we're talking about a billionaire, right, I legitimately would be
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: asking for at least like four hundred mili.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: You want to know how much this fucking ransom note
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: asked for? One hundred and eighteen thousand? What one hundred
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and eighteen thousand specifically, which was the exact amount John
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: had gotten as a Christmas bonus?
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Wow? Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait the fuck
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: kind of Christmas bonus? You get one hundred and eighteen
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars?
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Home, boy, he's a billionaire, Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: But what kind of I mean, does he work for
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: a company or does he own it?
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: That's as he owns it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Oh Jesus.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Okay, so he signed for himself to get this bonus,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: and then the whatever note who ever just took John
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Bay left a three page ransom note. I cannot wait
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: to hear it asking for specifically that amount. So again,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: somebody who would have had to have known that this
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: family had that much liquid at that exact moment and
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: they could part with it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: That's exactly perfectly. You said it perfectly. They would have
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: had to note they had it in cash, right, he
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: literally got it for Christmas? This is the day after Christmas,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And they're like, Okay, who the fuck would know that
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: he had one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in the
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: bank ready to go? Who would know that? And if
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: you're going after a millionaire, why would you not ask
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: for a fucking million?
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: And it's not like this would be some disgruntled janitor,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: like they don't know what the bosses are getting for bonuses.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Nobody the company knows that shit. He would have to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: be somebody who's.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: In HR, in payroll, in his immediate cabinet, like his
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, That would be his immediate
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: close connections within the company. Who would even know a
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: number to throw out of what the boss may have given.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Here we are almost thirty years later and they still
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: don't have a suspect. How easy would it have been
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: to find a suspect if this is if this.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Was real, It's pretty narrowed down at that point, right,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: like right, it has to be a very select number
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: of people that would even know about that. That kind
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of cheese bonus.
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: Now, unless he got drunk at that Christmas party and
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: was running his mouth off to all hundred people in there,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: and maybe one of them was putting on an act
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: that they were rich and they were in this click
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: and reality they were on their last leg and decided
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: to pull a Hail Mary.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: But again, more.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: Evidence later showed that it was somebody who had intimate
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: knowledge of the home, and uh, you know what, let's
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: let's go ahead and hear more.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's go ahead and hear the ransom note.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I'm going to try to read it pretty quickly so
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I don't bore everybody.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: But I'll go for it. I started reading it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: As I'm reading this ransom note, I want you to
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: keep in the back of your head that this is
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: a mother of two children over the age of thirty
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: writing this. Okay, keep that in your mind. Not that
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: this is an outside intruder, but just keep it in
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: the back of your mind. Okay, mister Ramsey, listen carefully.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: We are a group of individuals that represent a small
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: foreign faction. We respect your business, but not the country
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: that it serves. At this time, we have your daughter
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: in our possession. She is safe and unharmed. If you
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: want her to see nineteen ninety seven, you must follow
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: our instructions to the letter. You will withdraw one hundred
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: and eighteen thousand dollars from your account. One hundred thousand
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: will be in one hundred dollar bills. In the remaining
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: eighteen and twenty dollars bills, make sure you bring an
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: adequate sized attache to the bank. When you get home.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: You will put the money in a brown paper bag.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I will call you between eight and ten am tomorrow
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: so I advise you be rested. If we monitor you
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: getting the money early, we might call you to We
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the money, hence an earlier pickup of your daughter. Any
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: for a proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: daughter do not particularly like you, so I advise you
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: such as police, FBI, et cetera, will result in your
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: daughter being beheaded if we catch you talking to a
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: If the money is in any way marked or tampered with,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: if any are found, she dies. You can try to
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: deceive us, but be warned. We are familiar with law
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a ninety nine percent
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Follow your follow our instructions, and you stand a one
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: hundred percent chance of getting her back. You and your
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Don't try to grow a brain, John, You are not
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: the only fat cat around, so don't think that killing
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John, use that good
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Southern common sense of yours. It's up to you now,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: John Victory SB t C.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Well, all three.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Pages, that was all three pages.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: That must have been really fat fun.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: They were double lining it, probably, dude, But dude, that
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: is crazy. It definitely sounds like first off written by
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: a female, for sure. Much a female, Yeah yeah, very articulate,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: but also with a motherly touch in a sense, you know,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: unharmed and safe.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Make sure you're rested, and also, yes, yeah, somebody's kid.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Make sure you're rested.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Make sure you get a good night's sleep before you
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: go to the bank the next day. It's like, who
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the fuck is getting any kind of sleep whenever their
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: kid is stolen?
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: The treeble will be tiring and get some rest. Okay,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: for the record, no it won't. I don't know if
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: anybody actually has a real life. Look at what one
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars in hundreds looks like.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: It's one stack. It's a stack.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: It can very easily this amount of dollar bills can
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: very easily fit into a brown paper bag that you
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: would bring to lunch. Just so you know, it's not
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: like he's carrying a massive booksack full of dollar bills
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: on this one, I promise you.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, this is what I'll say. One of the
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: detectives in the documentary I just watched last night wrote
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: by hand because this is a handwritten ransom note. He
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: recreated the ransom note and timed himself writing it like
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: multiple times. He said, I'm going to write it really
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: really fast this time. Then I'm going to write it
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: how I normally would write it this time, and then
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna write it slow one time. And he said
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: the average amount of time it would take to write
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: this three page ransom note with all the eyes dotted,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: all the punctuation like literally it's punctuated like nothing is
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: out of place. It took him twenty five minutes to
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: write it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Why would you also say that you're a member of
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: a foreign faction who doesn't like your country job.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, that's what I'm saying.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: If the whole storyline they were trying to go with
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: this could have been done better. We had bad guys
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: that we were after in the nineties. You could have
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: thrown out any number of names and it could have
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: been a little more credible, at least throwing somebody off
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: the scent more. This was written by somebody who had
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: no fucking clue what they were.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Doing, no fucking clue. And here's the thing. Jean Benet's
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: name has a bunch of apostrophes in it. And the
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: reason her name is Jean Benet and it's like b
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: E apostrophe thing, n E another apostrophe thing t Jean Bennet, Yes, Chad,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: is because her father's name was John Bennett Ramsey. She's
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: named after her father. Patsy, being a smart ass, was like, oh,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: your name's John Bennett. Let me put some fucking frenchery
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: on it, and we'll name our daughter Jean Benet. Now
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: listen to this. This is a small foreign faction, mind
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: you that's writing this. They say we represent a small
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: foreign faction, but misspells the name business, but properly spells
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: the word attache with the apostrophes on it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Mm, why wouldn't you just say a bag?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: That's the American way to say that.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: In fact, like you misspelled the word business, but you
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: know how to properly punctuate and use the word ata.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Lemna be real. I've never even heard of the word
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: attache before.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: But you're supposed to be a foreigner fucking coming in
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: here to do with some fucking kidnapping shit. You're gonna
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: be like, you know what, let me let me use
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: this word real quick attache.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Church do there?
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: It's somebody who would know to put the little apostrophes
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: because in the fringe, that that is what makes Bennett
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: Benet literally those those little apostrops.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: He's going one way and then going to the other.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, it would be somebody who's got a little
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: bit of a fringe vibe on him, for sure.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: And I can't imagine that a man would describe a
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: very specific kind of bag in that way, you know
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like to us, a purse is a purse.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: We don't give a fuck if it's Gucci or Prada,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, or thirty briefcase.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the three pages long thing just reeks of it
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: being a female because we're so emotional, right, we got
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: to put all this stuff in there, like, don't try
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: to grow a brain, John, We don't particularly like you, John.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Would she say, use that good old Southern common sense
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: of years, John, this is supposed to be an Arab person.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: This sounds like a very spiteful wife, is what it
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: sounds like.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Even if these were done to cause Okay, okay, trying
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: once again, not trying to steal me in it, because
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: again I do believe that the parents were absolutely the
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: ones that did this, But.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Just throwing this out here.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: If I was trying to write a ransom letter to
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: a specific person and I wanted to instill fear in
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: this person, right, I would want to put something personal
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: into it to let them know that I know way
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: more about them than they know about me. And like
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: I would say, like throw out a social Security number,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, throw out some family relative
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: that you know, just some shit like that that would
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: make me think, oh god, oh god, they could really
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: get to me right now. They already have the daughter,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: So I mean, as far as that goes, that's understood.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: But bringing up the fact that he's from the South,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: that's dumb. Just was nothing but taking up space. Don't
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: grow a brain, now, Like, Okay, that's not how that's
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: not how criminals talk.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's how movies portray shit.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, you just stole the words out of
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: my mouth. You know what I discovered after reading this
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: a million times? Sixty percent of the end page page
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: three came from the movie Dirty Harry from nineteen seventy one.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Oh really, yes, in that, not only that they mentioned,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: they quote another movie in it. So page three is
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: pretty much a whole excerpt from nineteen seventy one movie
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Dirty Harry. And then they mentioned another movie. Oh I
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: forgot to put it in my notes. They mentioned another
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: It was like an old western movie, like, only somebody
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: from the South that watched westerns would have known to
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: quote that fucking and then it's like, don't use that
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: good old Southern common sense, John, Oh, why because you're
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: watching fucking dirty Harry right now, write in this ransom
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: note like it was. Literally, you guys, it was. It's hilarious.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: It's a hilarious go ahead, make my day.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, like that, I mean, it would have just summed
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: it up.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: But so it could have been the good, the man
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: and the ugly. It might have been fist full of dollars.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: It might have been somebody who had a little bit
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: of a Clint Eastwood fetish. I myself, I am quite
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: a fan of his spaghetti westerns.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, they did handwriting samples and it
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: matched Patsy's hand, obviously not her beautiful like regular handwriting,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: but they were like, I want you to write this
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: ransom note, and she tried to make it look so unrecognizable, like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: oh my god, there's no way. But the thing that
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: people don't understand is no matter how much you try
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: to disguise your writing, there are little signatures in the
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: way that you form letters that can't be mistaken that
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: each individual person will do, no matter if they're trying
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: to disguise their handwriting or not. And it did match
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Patsy's hand It came from a notepad in their kitchen.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: The pin was a pin that was next to the phone.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, why would you if you're going to break
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: in and write a ransom note, why wouldn't you already
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: have it rid up?
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: You could just place and go.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you only do that on the spies.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: If you're trying to kidnap somebody, you're not trying to
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: hang out there for a while. You would come in,
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: get the goods, leave the note, bounce. You're trying to
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: be in and out in like literally thirty seconds if
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: humanly possible.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Right, So back to the crime scene. They find this
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: ransom note that we've just discussed as completely bogus. But
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: what they're supposed to do is secure the crime scene.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: No one goes in or out until we figure out
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: what the fuck's going on. Tell me why it is
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: that they were granted like access, permission to let their
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: pastor and a bunch more of their their friends come
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: over while the police are there trying to conduct an investigation.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: That is so beyond me, like that is so against
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: protocol that they would be allowed to let their pastor
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: and their friends come in the middle of a police
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: investigation and they still don't know where their kid is.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Supposedly, Yeah, it definitely seems like a bach or an encroachment. However,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you like to look at that like, you don't you
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: don't you know, because then it leaves open the possibility
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: of you messing with certain fingerprints or i mean little
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: grut seamen on her fucking legs crime scene right exactly,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: mm hmmm.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: So the detectives, so the police officers are there, they
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: find the note, and then they let the pastor and
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: everybody else come in. The detectives didn't arrive on the
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: scene until eight am, and then the coroner arrives. Oh
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: wait sorry, two hours after the first patrol officers arrive.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: It takes another twelve hour hours for the corner to
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: arrive because after the detectives arrive, they decide that they're
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: going to search the house. It's taken from five point
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: fifty two am to eight am for somebody to get
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: the bright fucking idea that they should search the house. Wow,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: I mean think about that. You wake up at five
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: in the morning, and you yourself don't look from top
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: to bottom to try to find your kid in your house.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Like granted you found the ransom note and you think
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: that they're missing, I myself would still look under every
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: conceivable like under the couch, under the bed, in the bathrooms,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: in the closet, wherever, just in case, for some reason,
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: there was a shred of hope she was still in
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: the house. You're just gonna take it at face value
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: and not even look for your kid in your own house.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it could have been like some kind of
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: fucked up April Fool's Day kind of joke. Like still
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you go looking for for whatever could possibly, you know,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: be found inside your house. It just makes common sense that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: You will your kid. So the detectives are like, I
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: don't know what y'all been standing around doing, but we
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: gotta search this house from top to bottom. And he
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: looks at John Ramsey and he said, you're gonna start
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: in the attic, and we're gonna start in the basement.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got this,
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: goes and grabs his friend Fleet White, and they make
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: a beeline down to the basement. Within three minutes they've
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: found her body. Hm, tell me why you wouldn't have
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: looked in the fucking basement this entire time, only until
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: the detectives tell you to start in the attic and
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: they're going to go to the basement. Do you all
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: of a sudden have an overwhelming compulsion to go to
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: the basement yourself?
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: And this was that day, correct, Yes, this is like
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: found the ransom note and they're thinking, oh my god,
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: the money, Where is she? Where is she? Then they
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: just decided to just check over the house real quick
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: and oh, wait, she's in the basement.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like some that's so raven type shit.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Hold on, I'm getting a message she's in the basement.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I know that's where I'm gonna go.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: So now the story even gets more.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: So the detectives that were like watching this whole thing
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: play out, they were like, he was pretending to look
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: at stuff in the basement, like he he and fleet
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: White went straight down to the basement and then he
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: was like flipping lights on and being like, oh, she's
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: not in the dryer. Oop, she's not in this roll
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: of paper towels. Oh she's not. And then before so
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: he goes into this little cellar area where they keep
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: like seasonal decorations. Before he even flips the light switch on,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: he's like, oh, my god, she's here, and then flips
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: the light on it and it's like, whoop, there's the body.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: I'm so so confused this time. So now the story
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: has been shifted. Now we are no longer hoping she's alive.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: She's not out there somewhere. We don't need to try
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: to get this money together. Now we know that she
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: was here the whole time. And now this means that
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: somebody broke into the home, wrote the ransom note, did
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: despicable thing, murdered her, redressed her, and left her all
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: in the basement. And somehow all of this happened before
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: Mom woke up and called nine one one at five
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: point thirty.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's why it's so preposterous.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: All right, at this time, My god, I didn't put
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: that together. Wow, that's that just makes this so much
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: sketchier than that already was.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Now because when they found her body, as I said
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: at the beginning of the episode, she already reeked of decomposition.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: She had been dead for a long time. Guys, not
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: just from when Patsy made the phone call at five
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: in the morning to nine one one, and now it's
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: around eight am, and now they're starting to look for
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: or whatever. She had been dead long before that.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Even so at that point the ransom note had to
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: have been written after she had already died.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, so Levika sets into a body after about an hour,
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: rigor Mortis sets into a body after about five or
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: excuse me, after about three, and then that leaves the
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: body after about forty eight hours.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: It gets a little more bendable.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: So there is at least just from the time that
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: she had left the White residence at about nine o'clock.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: You said, mm hmmm, So somewhere between nine o'clock at
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: night and then eight o'clock when the police showed.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Up, she's dead.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: So we have an eleven hour gap where somehow these things. Okay,
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I'm with you, but that would.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Make more sense than somebody broke in in the middle
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: of the night after we went to bed at midnight
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: and did this, and then I found her at five,
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: We found her at eight, Like, it doesn't make sense.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: She would have had have been dead a lot longer
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: than that. But if she was, why go through the
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: bother of writing a three page note. Then if you've
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: already killed her, right, like what would it but like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: you've already killed her and you're not getting any money,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: why sit there and write a three page note?
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: That also doesn't make sense? What would be the purpose
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: of you trying to was this? That doesn't make a
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: motive if anything. That just leads to more questions with
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: no answers whatsoever, which is a really bad position to
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: be in.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: So also after they find the body, he brings her up.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: John removes her from the crime scene, brings her up,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: places her body in the middle of the living room floor,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: doesn't even check to see if she's really dead, just
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: assumes that she's dead. Red flag to me. Picks her
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: body up from the basement, carries it up the stairs,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: places it in the middle of the living room floor,
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: and he's like, she's dead. And then the then Patsy
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: starts like, oh my god, she's dead, picks her up
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: again and puts her over on a coffee table.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: And the police are allowing this, Yes, this is all
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: a very active crime scene, and.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: It's the body's been moved three times already.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, Now.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: What else weird? Is he puts her, he puts her
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: on the coffee table, right, and then they allow him
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: to leave for over an hour to run errands.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: What erons could you possibly need to run in a time?
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Lshbuster's gotta be back or they're gonna charge his light feet, Like,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: what are you doing?
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: All right? I think we're at red flag number thirty ten. Yeah, okay,
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: we're like red flag thirty two of the story.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: This guy has moved the body in an active crime scene,
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: putting his DNA, his fingerprints all over things, the position
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: of the everything, everything is important. Literally, like I said,
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: Leviticus sets into a body. After an hour, even rolling
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: the body over has now contaminated the crime scene because
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: now we don't know the position that the body was
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: left in, which is all a part of everything. So
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: this dude just did that three times in front of
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: the cops, in front of the detectives, and there's no
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: way that they got what they needed quote unquot in
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: order for him to do that in that time.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: There's no way. And then they allow him to.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Leave, and then they allow him to leave, and my
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: thing is like, why all of a sudden did he
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: get this idea that he needed to make a bee
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: line towards the basement and then declare that he found
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: her body before he had even flipped the light on
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: to make sure it just she was wrapped up in
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: a blanket. It looked there was no distinguishable, like this
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: is a little girl laying here. It would have just
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: looked like a lump of clothes or something, a lump
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: of blankets. But before he even turns the light switch on,
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: he's like, there's a body. Holy titty fuck, I found her,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Like what are you talking about? This is your daughter.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: And then he's gonna go run errands for an hour
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: after he brings their corpse up.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: And this is in California, right Boulder, Colorado, Colorado. Okay,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: so this is where it always gets. It gets so sketchy, dude,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: because of multiple reasons, just on the on the cirfle
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: but like there's so much money involved to where cops, politicians,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: governor don't matter, like they they all will will like
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: willingly accept a large chunk of money to keep their
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: mouth shut. And so now you got a billionaire with
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: a bee back in the nineties, which is a shitload
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: more money then than it is now. And like, ah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: there's that, and then there's Boulder, Colorado, not very far
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: away from the fucking you know, the Denver Airport, which
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: is said to be like the basement is some kind
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: of Illuminati substation or something like that. There's a lot
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: of weird shit that goes on in Colorado as well,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: So this doesn't go out of the realm of possibility
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: that this could.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: Be home by the way black and white tile floors throughout.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: Of course it is, of course it is.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: Now what else is weird is what else is weird
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: is that they said that the assailant must have come
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: through a broken window in the basement, but it later
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: came out in the investigation that John Ramsey himself had
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: locked himself out of the house and had broken that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: window in the basement, like months and months and months
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: before Jean Benet died, and that window had just been
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: broken for months, so it wasn't an assailant. And then
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: they went down there took pictures and videos of the window,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: and there's fucking cobbywebs all over the motherfucker. Like if
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: he climbed in and out of the window and he
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: left the cobby webs fully intact, he didn't rustle a leaf.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: He didn't track a footprint. It was snowing outside in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: the middle of December and Colorado. There was no footprints
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: in the snow, nothing like. We're still like the outside
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: intruder theory is so far beyond the realm of imagination.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: It could not have been an outside.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Intruder period Santa Claus like, come down the chimney coming
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: off as fucking sled. I mean, that's the only thing
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: that would even make sense for an outside intruder. You know,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: there's no footprints. Somebody checked that roof.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: Even inside the home, right that even okay as far
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: as obviously the attacker was inside the home, But it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: doesn't make sense that they would leave the ransom note
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: asking for that amount if it was the parents themselves,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: of course, but like they had that money, that was
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: his bonus. What were they what were they trying to do?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like but that's my point. What was all right?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: All right? So pause real quick whenever there is big money.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: Are you ever seeing the movie A Man on Fire?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Denzel Washington, Remember the dad let his daughter
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: to be kidnapped for ransom money and he didn't have it.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: But this foundation had money, but it wasn't his money.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: He may be the head of this foundation, but that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: da da whatever it was, it was way to wash
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: money and let it end up paying off his debt.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Rich people do this type of shit from time to time.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: It doesn't make the news always because they don't want
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: their children being hostages to be on the news. But
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: that actually goes back way further. Fuck Royals used to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: let their sons and daughters be given off as as
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: prisoners to make deals happen from time to time. That's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: literally where of Gladi and Paler learned how to be
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: so cruel as from the caliph at the time, but
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: always to the point so that wouldn't have even made
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: a fuck because it was already their money, free and clear,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: because it was a bonus. So it was one hundred
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: percent just a part of the plant, was a part
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: of the act. It was to try to keep up
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: the appearance of So now the question is why what
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: were they trying to hide the fact that there was
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: a sexual assault on this on this little girl, the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: fact that they murdered her. But why go through these
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: types of steps in order to try to cover your tracks.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Why is the question of the hour, and I do
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: you think I have the answer to it.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: It sounds like a ritual personally. That's where I'm leaning at.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, a thousand percent. Because Patsy herself was formerly
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Miss West Virginia, and her family was loaded old West Virginia,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: money loaded, and she was a beauty queen, and she
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: put Jean Benet into this pageant circuit quote unquote before
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: she was even six years old?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: Were all the head shots I see in the tabloids.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or five years old, she's already in the pageant circuit.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: And Patsy, because she had been in the pageant circuit
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: her whole life, Miss West Virginia or whatever, she was
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: a decent actress, okay, or she should have got a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: fucking Emmy Award for her fucking dramatic performance. Even the investigators, though,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: said it felt like a performance. When they brought John
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: Benay's body up, she was looking she was crying, but
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: no tears were coming out, and she was looking at
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: all the police and detectives in the room and barely
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: even was looking. She would like look at John to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: like make sure she was like crying hard enough, so
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: you like look at all the police officers and shit like,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: oh my god, am I am I frantic and crying
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: and mournful? And am I doing this right? Like that's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: what it felt like? A performance?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're checking back with the director, you know what
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I mean? Like, did I sell it good enough? Should
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: we do another?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: Take?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: More?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: A little more loud, louder?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: And so John owns this company, Access Graphics. He's a billionaire,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: it's a billion dollar company. Whatever. His family's military, Okay,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: And so that all plays a part in it too,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: that they called his dad like Czar Ramsey.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: Was that because he was just a steel fisted tyrant
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: over his house? Or did that? I mean did did
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: he serve in the Russian military?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: I have it in my notes. But that's just a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: little bit of background on like we're not dealing with
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: like how they portray it as a suburban family whose
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: daughter this horrible thing happened to and they never found
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: out who did it. We're talking about millionaires and billionaires,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: military families, families from like old wealth, fucking miss West
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Virginia and all this bull Like this isn't just like
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: your next door neighbors. This happened to their daughter. This
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: isn't that right? You know?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so so yeah. It kind of sounds like Jacob,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: like if somebody were to come to your house if
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: you were a millionaire, you know what I mean? Like, God, damn,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: this whole thing sounds so sketchy.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: Dude, hard to finish.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Is there any reference of the dadd's reaction as far
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: as all this is going on? I mean, I know
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: the wife keeps on looking back. Oh yeah, he did leave.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: He left, And then after that they take the body,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: they do the autopsy. There's stuff that's left out of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: the official autopsy report about the semen on her legs
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: and the blood in her underwear and like all this
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: da da da dah dah, it's all left out. They
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: never give the Ramses an official death certificate, which I'll
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: get to later. They never give the Ramses an official
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: death certificate.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: Wow wow.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: And they are never asked to speak with police. They
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: never have to give official statements about what happened. But
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: they were allowed to go on CNN and give an
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: interview there before they had even ever given a statement
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: to police.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: Was there ever a court case about this?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Was there ever?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: Like as far as the murder itself goes or was
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: it pretty much wrapped up? Uh, just one of those things.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: It was a murder. We'll search for the killer, but
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: you know, we may never find it. Uh, and like
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: it just kind of goes by the wayside.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: It went to the grand jury. Grand jury voted to
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: indict Patsy and John Ramsey, and the District Attorney's office said, no,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think you have enough evidence to take this
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: to trial.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: There we go, DA making another move there.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: Wow, ever went to fucking trial.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, how about the lack of evidence on this one? Fuck?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Fuck the other evidence? Well, there was no footprints outside
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: the windows. Yeah, yeah, that's my point. There was no.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Footprints outside the window.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: The lack of shit that there should have been, and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: the fact that there was a ransom note with the body,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: and the I'm sorry no, from from top to bottom,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: this needed to be investigated, and the DA told them no.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: The DA told him no, And wouldn't you like to
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: know this isn't the first dead kid of John Ramsey's.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: After they got done with the autopsy and everything, they
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: flew Jambonet's body to Atlanta and she was buried next
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: to her half sister, Elizabeth, who also died tragically were
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: from John's previous marriage.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Oh do we know how she died?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Supposedly she got Princess Diana in a car accident.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: As a child.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: No, she was like a little bit like a preteen teenager.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: But still you know this, But you got two dead
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: little girls on your hands.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is sounding a lot like our commander in chief,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: right sacrifice. I mean, dude, the Joe Biden's wife and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: kid died in a car accident and then just what
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: a couple of years later, the other son dies from
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: like brain cancer or something like that, and the rest
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: of the family Ashley Biden with the diary. Dude, it
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: all seems so ritualistic, and you can kind of like
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: get the whiff from yea from other things that may
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: align with this, And that sounds exactly like Joey ban
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: To all.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: The cult members that think nobody would do that to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: their own child, keep in mind that we're talking Casey Anthony,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: We're talking about all these people John Benet's fit parents,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: who obviously were the culprits on this one. Clearly, Yes,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: if they're already willing to do these types of things
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: to their children, what difference would it make if it
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: was for sacrifice, if sacrificial purposes to better their careers,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: to better their whatever, like oh yeah, yeah, no, don't
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: think that it isn't a cult.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Well and may not have been, absolutely could have been.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: They were a million dollar company until the year Jean
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Benet was dead. They over a billion dollars the year
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: she died.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: So it sounds you know what this sounds like too,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: Like you'll see like a lot of like if you
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: look up, like a lot of ancient ritual sacrifices and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, like people that are deep into the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: dark occult, they'll there's always some kind of sacrifice in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: your kid, always is, like especially the people that and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: it doesn't always have to be your kid, Like for example,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: if you don't have kids, they'll maybe ask you to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: sacrifice your mom like Kanye had to, or sacrifice some
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: other very important thing to you. And it's like, you know,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: you start looking at certain people who have done that,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: and it's like, well, now what they're doing is they
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: don't even necessarily require a specific like dead sacrifice, then
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: maybe you're just sacrificing their soul. So for example, like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: you know, all the parents, all these popular parents where
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: they come from sports or Hollywood or something like that,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: they sacrifice their kid in a different way. So, for example,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: Dwayne Wade's kid, Dwayne Wade and what's her name from
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: Gabrielle Union, Dude, Yeah, they're letting that kid go all
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: into like changing the gender and stuff like that. And
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: then you got will Smith's kids, right, like will Smith's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: and Jaden and what's the girl's name, Willow right, and
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: they're like way, way weird, and so it just you know,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: there's different ways of sacrificing nowadays because you can get
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: so much more from the public image of turning your
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: kid into these freak shows then you would sacrificing and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: just killing it. We're dead right exactly.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, I'll get into this, but I
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: think they were doing stuff to her and accidentally killed her,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: which is why the sloppy cover job.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: I could see that because she.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Was actually making them some money off of these pageants
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: and shit, and they were photoed. So after they do
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: this CNN interview, which by the way, they wouldn't let
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: anybody speak to the little brother like at all. He
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: was taken to like a deprogramming center. I'm so fucking
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: sure of it because he's got a serious split personality disordered.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: And the mom looked like she was drugged out the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: wazoo even on the CNA interview, slurred speech, couldn't keep
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: her eyes open, and the thing like basic lying one
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: oh one. They were like, do you really think that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: someone broke into your home and did this to John
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Beney And she was like, yes, I do, no, yes,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: And so there were just these little telltale signs. But
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: after this and n interview, the Ramses gave the media
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: access to all of the pageantry photos, all of the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: pageantry videos, almost as if like fall in love with
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: our daughter, fall in love with our daughter, Look how
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: cute and sweet and perfect, and like blah blah blah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: But it had the opposite effect. A lot of people
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: who saw it when it when it first came out,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: were disgusted by it because the videos that they kept
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: showing were of Jean Benet almost being seductive as a
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: six year old and dressed very scantily for a six
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: year old.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: May talk about these all the time. This is all
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: trying to sexualize these young girls. And I'm not saying
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: that the little dresses, the little gowns and their little
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: singing performances. These are these are fine fine, Okay. I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: do think that a lot of parents take it to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: the extremes, but like, okay, there are there's a fine line.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: It's the same with these cheerleading competitions, right there are
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: cheer leagues out there that let the little girls do
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: their stuff in a snow problem. And then there's some
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: that have these six year olds, seven year olds, eight
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: year olds barely dressed and twerking that there's a fine
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: line here, y'all. That's not okay, so especial beau, Oh yeah,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: very sexualized.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah it was. It wasn't like a thing like it
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: is now where parents have just given up on trying
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: to keep the innocence of their children. Well not all parents,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: but some parents are just like, yeah, towerk and wear
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: a fucking diaper and go out there and do whatever.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: But in nineteen ninety six, that was weird. And what
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: I propose to you is actually something that the person
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: who said John Binet never existed, one of her supporting
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: pieces of evidence is that there is no record of
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: these pageants that John Benet won ever existing, and no
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: other competitors in any other year like little Miss Charlavoy,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: little Miss Georgia Peach, little miss this and that if
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: you google it, if you look it up, they don't exist.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: So how did she win all of these awards and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: all these trophies unless and this is what I propose
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: to you, there is an elite pageant circuit for these
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: more wealthy type families and the footage and pictures are
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: marketed to a different type of audience.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, dude, Yeah, it gave me like that instant
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: you remember on the Butterfly Effect with Ashton Kutcher. You
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: know the dad is downstairs taking pictures of the of
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: the little kids and shit, and like just imagine imagine that,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: but on a billionaire scale. I could see that absolutely.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: And they actually have like videos of these pageants and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: stuff for coming out and basically underwear and like big
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: angel wings and stuff at six years old. Where do
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: you think if you look at the audience, there's like
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: five people there, right, why do you think the crowd
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: is so small? Like? And why do you think and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: it's all in like real dark rooms where it's just
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: like a spotlight. Just on John Benet, It's very interesting.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Didn't we just watch him? Didn't we just watch a
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: movie like that not too long ago, Jacob.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: We did.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: Indeed, you got so much flak, so much flak because
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: well it was made by a Mason and he's a Catholic.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, did you miss the point of the fucking movie? Dogh?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: No, We've talked about that at length. There there is
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: a rightful amount of questioning that should go into that
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: movie and the people supporting it. Although the message definitely
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: need to get out there, they don't let that kind
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: of shit out there unless there's something that like, Okay, well,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: I guess we could spin it this way. Whenever we
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: were talking about the trackers that they're trying to sell
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: to put into your kids, that's that's where it got fucky,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: right there at the end of the movie.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: Now here's the thing. I did some research on this guy.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: His name is Steven Singulair, and he discovered an underground
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: kitty porn pageant circle that's identical to the case of
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: John Beney. There's these pageant videos quote unquote that are
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: sold on dark websites, and in this world of these
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: underground kitty pageants and all this stuff, these girls are
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: young like John Benet four years old, five years old,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: six years old, sometimes even younger, and the parents start
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: with them real young. Their teeth are capped, their faces
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: are sculpted by plastic surgeons. They they tape their chest
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: skin together other to look like cleavage, and they do
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: all this stuff. They bleach their hair, they make them
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: wear contact lenses. Also, Jean Benet, her eyes always look
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: a different color in like every picture of her, and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: they're like, well, that's because she's cgi. No, that's because
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: she was probably getting pimped out, like, Oh, what do
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: you want a little green eyed girl? Oh, what do
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: you want? A little blue eyed girl, little brown eyed girl?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: What's your flavor? They literally do this stuff to sexualize
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: their children for these pageants and shit.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: And so.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: This guy, Stephen Singular, discovered that photographing these little beauty
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: queens and risque poses is a routine business undertaken by
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: some of the most highly regarded child photographers in the country,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: and that John Benet was probably just one in an
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: estimated two hundred and fifty thousand girls who are a
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: part of this billion dollar a year business caters to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: the pedophilic tendencies of grown adult men, and there's estimated
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: to be about three thousand of these pageants every year.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Whoa three thousand? Geez?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: I think that's on the low end, honestly.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: You know what though, what it makes me think of
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: is like, you know they they are. So there has
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: been like stories about how, you know, like Epstein Island
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: for example, that there could have been you know, women
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: that were stolen, kidnapped, whatever, taken down to the basement
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: wherever and uh and then they're forced to get pregnant
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: and then they'll take that baby and just hoe it
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: out basically, right, And so it makes you wonder, I mean,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: do we know for sure if John Beney is their
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: actual baby? Like, do we know that for sure? It
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: because just like Patsy, Well, the reason I bring that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: up is because there was no you know, certificate of
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: death warrant that you said so so, but.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: What if she didn't belong to them anymore? Owners get
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: the death certificate?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Right right?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: Baby factories are absolutely a thing. I've said this before.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: We've said this before. Epstein Island was not the worst
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: place those children could have ended up. It was horrible
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: and I'm not trying to like detract from the monstrous
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: things that were going down there. But the islands where
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: they hunt these children, that's a real place. The island
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: where they literally have these women that just the Handmaid's Tale,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: where they literally are bred to give birth for the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: principle of whatever you could imagine in the darkest recesses
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: of your mind. That's a real thing. Does Itn't make believe?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: This isn't just some creepypasta on the internet. This is
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: real life. So absolutely, this is this is a possibility.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: You know, there are wrestlers and shit out there. There
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: was this one, I can't remember which one it was now,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: but there was this wrestler who goes like, you know,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: being on the road all the time, you know, because
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: they were they were, you know, having like two hundred
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: and eighty nights a year or something like that, always
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: on the road, and he goes, you know, after a while,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: you start to just eventually just just like dissociate with
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: reality in a sense because now you're like, in order
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: to have sex, you're having sex with new people every
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: single town that you go into, and after a while,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: just a regular sex or regular blowjob or something like
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: that just doesn't cut it. So you keep on stacking
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: and stacking and stacking and stacking. It kind of sounds
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: like a lot of these people they you know, some
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: people just sex isn't enough, and then you got to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: keep on increasing the fucked up part of everything sexual, or.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: Say they're not young enough.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Right, right, you gotta do something that seems so wrong
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: because that's the only thing that's gonna get you so excited.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: And at that point you need a bullet to the head.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: That seems to be the medicine.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: I would agree with you, Jacob. The thing is, though
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: Patsy herself was also in this pageant circuit. Her family
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: it was wealthy. Yeah, she not do the same for
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: her daughter now there is so I.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: Guess she's from West Virginia, which not gonna throw the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: shade towards all my my hillbilly brethren of the West
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: Virginia Hill. Louisiana gets its shade for some incestuous things
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: from time to time too. But to your point, again,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: this is not like a crazy thing to throw out.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: It's not. And the thing is, I watched a home
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: video where they went into John Benet's room and they
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: were showing all of her trophies on display, and I
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: got an instant chill when I saw that video because
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: the trophies, in my opinion, look old. They looked like
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: they were Patsy's trophies, not John Benet's. And the amount
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: of trophies that were on display is also curious to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: me because if she was only six years old and
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: they started her when she was like four or five
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: years old, you're telling me during the pageants season she
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: was able to get twenty five thirty trophies.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: In two years.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm sorry for me.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: I think maybe somebody who had collected them their entire
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: life maybe had those trophies on display.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: And that also would lead more credence to the whole
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: why we can't find records of these pageants now? Right,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: So in ninety six, we're talking twenty years prior, maybe
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: thirty iah old Patsy was at the time, but we're
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: talking about when she was a child back in the day,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: back in West Virginia.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't they didn't have the Internet.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: There's no way could Google search these pageants that might
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: be written down on some archive desks of some local
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: four H office somewhere, you know what I mean, that's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: not something we've get.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: I put it to the test, Jacob I myself was
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: in a pageant when I was in high school in Geneva, Ohio.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: It's grape country up there, so it was Little Miss
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: Grape At And if you google it you'll see all
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: of the contestants from all the years prior to my
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: year that I ran, all the years after I ran.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, and it's a whole thing. It's a whole festival,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Little Miss Grape At Grape Jamboree. Like, there's so much
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: information you can find on It's been going on since
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: I was a kid, and I was born in ninety four,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: so not too far off from John Benay. How come
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: we can't find these fuck imagins Like that's what I'm saying.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: We should be able to find John Beneze. We probably
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: can't find Patsy's. So if those trophies did belong to Patsy,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: it would make sense that if you search them up,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: we can't find record of that award anywhere because that
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: pageant hasn't existed since eighty two, right, right, However, John
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: Benese should be online because that was just only a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: few years ago.
• 1:24:28
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• 1:24:33
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• 1:24:34
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• 1:25:16
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  Speaker 5: All right, now let's play clip number one at this time?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: Should I set it up.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead if you like to.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: So this is the interviewer that's doing a documentary looking
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: back into the case of John Beney, and he is
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: interviewing one of Patsy Ramsey's closest friends.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 8: Okay, even though my daughter was birksage, she ended up
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: playing with Shanbinet because Burke was kind of oh girls.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 6: There was one time when my daughter was playing with Geomane.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: They went up to her room and my daughter inquired
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: about all the awards that were on displayed. She goes,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: what's that for Jamaney And she goes, oh, I'm in
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: the pageant system. But she didn't make a big.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 8: Deal out of it.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh, she said, but they really belonged.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: More to my mom.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: They're more my mom's trophies than they airline m I
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: remember one particular Christmas party. That's the first time Gamanny
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: came down with a beautiful dress and leech blonde hair.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: I was shot and I took Patsy aside and said,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: you're not dying her hair, are you? And she said, oh, no, Judet,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: that's from the summer sun in Charlotte Boye, Michigan. Do
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: you think that was oh, are you kidding? You were there?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: I was there.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: It was you're lying to me. It bothered me that
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: she had to lie to me. Why didn't she just
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: tell me the truth?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, strong from the horse's mouth, they belong to my mother.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: And then with the bleaching of the hair, Oh, that's
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: from the summer sun, like that's why would you lie
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: about that one? Why want to click.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: So that next clip you can go ahead and play.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: She was talking about the CNN interview where she saw Patsy,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: and Patsy said in the interview, mothers, keep your babies
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: close to you. There's a madman on the loose. And
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: he asked her what she thought of that interview, and
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: you can go ahead and play her.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: Response, Okay, let's let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: What did you think about that?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: I thought it was focus. Yeah. In fact, Pansy asked
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: a favor of me to go to the mayor. And
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: I knew the mayor because I had photographed her. Pantsy said,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: please ask for protection for my family. So I went
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: to the mayor's office and I said, Pansy wants protection,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: and she said, there's no murderer out there.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: Pause. Oh, keep going? Has I focused in on it?
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: Keep going?
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: Twenty years at Paul's Oh no, did?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: Were you able to read it?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: I could back it up? Hold up? Hold up, I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: could enlarge the screen.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Let me do that at this time?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean a little bit better. Can you read this?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: Let's see, people in Boulder have no need to fear
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: that there is someone wandering the streets looking for someone
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: to attack. This is from Mayor Jurgen CNN dot com
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: January third, nineteen ninety.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: Seven, from the Mayor's mouth, who also attended the Fleet
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: White Christmas party.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: So we already know that we just had a little
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: girl get murdered, for sure, but don't worry. There is
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: no murderer on the streets. We are no reason to fear.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll play the other clips in a minute.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: But what do you guys think about that? First off,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: John Miney herself is like, well, I'm in the paget circuit.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Didn't make a big deal out of it. And then
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: was like those trophies belong to my mother.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, And then you get this letter that says there
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: is no boogeyman on the streets. How could you confirm
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: that if.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: There's you're gonna come out and say that, and this
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: is a cold case.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: They did not catch the murderer as of now, it
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: is still a cold case.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Allegedly we know who did it.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: But beside the point, So all of that, and she
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: felt confident enough to release that statement without any suspect,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: any person in behind bars, nothing, nothing.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can stop shared now because I'll get to
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: the other clips in a minute.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: But was there more on that one?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: Uhh, No, that it was just her kind of being like, yeah,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: it was totally ridiculous.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Like then theach blonde hair.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: Why would you both face lie about that? You could
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: have literally just said, oh, yeah, well she has a
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: pageant coming up, and we had to do this, you know,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: in the winter because it's Christmas time, so in the
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: winter months, Yeah, we need to brighten it up because
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: we're doing that. You could have and I mean, yeah,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: she probably would have judged her, but you could have.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: Ever you ever been to Michigan, I know, in December.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: There's no sun. It was she said, the summer sun
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: in Michigan. But even still we're talking six months removed
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: from that time.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: I've freaking I've lived I lived in Northeast Ohio for
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: most of my life, and we'd go to freaking trips
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: to Michigan all the time. That bitch is like living
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: in Forks, Washington, fucking twilight, fucking bullshit, fucking overcast mother.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: Like that just didn't make any sense to me. Even
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: when I saw it on the interview, I was like,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: this soun ain't bleaching nobody's shit in Michigan.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: But there was no reason for that lie. You could
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: have said for the pageants, yes we're doing it. You
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: could have taken a little judgment, but like, so what
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: why would you get it? So this is just pathological lying.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: And so here's the thing, right, Why you go through
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: all the things and all the pageants circuitry and do
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: all the underground pageant blah blah blah, right and have
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: to cover it up? We'll get this shit. The autopsy report,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: which was released in a severely redacted form on February
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: fourteenth and then later in full on August thirteenth, made
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: mention of chronic genital inflammation and foreign matter in the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: vagina that they later discovered was woodchips. Why okay, woodchips
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: in a six year old's vagina now. They also made
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: mention of epithelial erosion, and a detective working on the
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: case swore in an Affidavid that the coroner, John Mayer,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: no relation to the artist, told her that someone had
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: definitely had sex with the child. And then doctor Robert
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: Kirshner of the University of Chicago's pathology department noted that
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: John Benet's vaginal opening was twice what it should have
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: been for a girl her age. He also stated that
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: the genital injuries indicated penetration, but probably not by a penis,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: and our evidence of molestation that night as well as
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: previous molestation. And then doctor Cyril Weck, one of the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: most respected forensic pathologists in the country, who also commented
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: on the autopsy report of Marilyn Monroe, told an interviewer, this,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: to me is evidence of sexual abuse. I think any
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: forensic gynecologists and forensic pathologists would agree with that. If
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: she had been taken to the hospital emergency room and
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: the doctors would have seen the genital evidence, her father
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: would have been arrested.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Now immediately, immediately, Yeah, because you're wood chips, like woodchips,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: what do you what does that even mean? Why? I mean,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get into the mind of a fucking
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: psychopath clearly, so that's not really going to work. I mean,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: we're all a little crazy here, but wood Chips, I don't.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: Now listen to this shit. There was a pediatrician, John
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: Benet's pediatrician who had numerous opportunities to observe that evidence,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: and as widely reported, John Beney had been taken to
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: her pediatrician no fewer than twenty seven times in the
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: previous three years. She's six years old, and so from
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: four five six ages four five and six, she had
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: been to the pediatrician twenty seven times.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: That's a bit much. I mean, even assuming that this
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: child just stayed sick all right, but like, I mean,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: come on to a certain point that you grow out
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: of that.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: Well, Jacob, you're I mean, when like these people in
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: like sex cults and shit, you always have to provide
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: that you're clean, right, yep, Like you always have to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: make sure like all right, this is my list. I
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: don't have ganarrhea, I don't have chlamydia, this is this
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: is this is how you prove that it's safe. It
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: makes you wonder if that's what was going on I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: don't know if pediatricians.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, do that no blood tests, that's all. It is
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: a ten panel blood test. You just as a child
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: will get blood drawn for any other type of lab
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: that gets done. You would do these labs as well
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: if you ran that test. Now, that's the other thing
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: I know up laws would never allow for us to
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: pull and see what those twenty seven appointments were for.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: Was that for just their round of vaccines and ear
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: infections and whatever? Or was it twenty seven times of
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: getting blood drawn just getting the blood?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Like who's to say, But now think of.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: It like this, if we're gonna go with the camp
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: of like she never existed, this is a lot of
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: work to put into a person that never existed. Fake teachers,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: fake pediatricians, fake autopsy examiners, fake corners, fake I mean, like,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: do you know the amount of effort that would have
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: to go into like and then you private investigators going
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: to this pediatricians office and being like, is John Benet
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: a patient here? How many times was she seen? And
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: then like back in the nineties, I guess it was
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: cool to say like twenty seven times whatever? You know
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: that links they would have to go to to get
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: all that set up in place for like a fake person.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: It just doesn't make sense to me my mind.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: She never existed.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: I have, I didn't. I've not heard that conspiracy.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 9: Man.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: It just bothers me because it's like, this little girl
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: showed evidence of chronic sexual abuse, and we're like, but
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: she never existed. In these forensic pathologists and pediatricians and
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: all this stuff, it's just all made up. It's just
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: all made up so they can harvest our energy there.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: That can't just be what it is. That doesn't vibe
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: with me, That doesn't add up. There is a lot
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: of effort that went into this cover up.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: Why yeah, why why?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: This absolutely, in my opinion, absolutely happened. And they went
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: to such a great extent to make the story work,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: almost as if it was scripted, almost as if it
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: was some kind of movie, almost as if somebody had
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: the foresight, all right, well, this is what they're gonna
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: look for. They're gonna look for this, they're gonna look
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: for this, they're gonna look for this, So let's cover
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: all of our corners here five D chess kind of.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: And this doesn't happen if somebody just breaks into your
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: house and does you know wants to take your kid? No,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: this is an inside job if there ever was one.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And on top of that, a gag order was
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: placed on all the officers working this case. The nine
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: to one one operator had a gag order and nobody
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: was allowed to talk about this case. And nobody was
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: allowed to talk about anty thing. And what the thing
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: is though, is there were some people who didn't have
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: a gag order placed on them that you'd never suspect
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: to overheard anything or would know anything.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: I e.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: The gardener for the Ramses, who fucking came forward and
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: said in a statement during the OJ Simpson trial when
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: they declared that he was innocent, Patsy Ramsey ran out
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: into her front yard, looked her gardeners square in the
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: eyes and was like, I guess you can get away
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: with murder in this country.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: What okay?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Does not even mean?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: And that was before all this played out.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: OJ was in the eighties, correct.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it wasn't too far off from John Benet.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: John Madey was alive when OJ was convicted.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: Not convicted, But when did the whole Johnny cockran, if
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: the glove doesn't fit, you can't you must have quit
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: that whole thing.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: When did that take place?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 7: What year?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: Around that same time?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: It was around the same time in the nineties.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: I'll be damn okay.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: So after John Ramsey put his whole legal team together,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: most of them went on to work for him at
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: Access Graphics, all of his attorneys went on to work
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: for him, all of it. You know, Alex Hunter ended
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: up the district attorney. Alex Hunter went on to work
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: for John Ramsey.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: Wow, wow, mm hmm, wow.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: That's uh, that's collusion. I would I would call that
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: a little bit of collusion, a lot like you know,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: the pharmaceutical companies going from Thizer over to the CDC.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: I say that this is about like red Flag number
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: seventy seven.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: So I'm about to start kind of summing everything up
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: to put it into perspective, and I'm gonna mention something
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: that's gonna raise everybody's eyebrows. But I want to walk
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: through what we've learned so far and give you my hypothesis.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: I believe the night of Fleet White's Christmas party with
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: the elite of Boulder Society being in attendance and blah
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: blah blah, that they were raping on her and accidentally
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: killed her. Yeah, then they took her body back home
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: and came up with it for the next six to
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: seven hours. After that, came up with the cover story,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: wrote the ransom note, hit her body, redressed her, did
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: all this shit. And the thing is she had the
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: undigested pineapple in her stomach, which would suggest that maybe
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: while she was at the party, she was snacking, eating
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: some little fruit and some little shit like that, and
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: then they were like, all right, now that you've had
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: a bite to eat, let's get to raping on you
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: and fucking they accidentally killed her. I think her little
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: brother Birke saw the whole thing, which is why nobody
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: he's got a weird personality disorder now and he's got
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: like split personality syndrome. I think that they had to
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: like wipe his memory of the shit, because in a
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: lot of interviews he just acts like nothing, like she
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: never even was his sister. Like he's like, I had
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: a sister and she died. WHOA, I didn't even know that.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: And that's why they're like, oh, maybe she never existed,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: or maybe they fucked with his mind. So when he
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: was interviewed, he could never say what he saw.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: He was also younger than her correct.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: Older two years older older than her. You know, not
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: to really shit on how people like to live their life, Jacob.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: You always say not to yuck. You're yum in a sense,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: but like, and no disrespect to the people that choose
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: to live their life this way. I'm not judging, but like,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: isn't the pineapple a symbol for some kind of sexual shit?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Bro sweet?
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah? For the swinger community, the upside down pineapple has
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: been the universal sign for quite some time.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: So whenever you're looking at sex parties, that probably would
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: be something that would be included.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: Possibly, But also I challenge you this. Have you been
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: to any party at someone's house and they have a
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: fruit tray out? You pick it up at the store
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: on the way, and there's nine times out of ten
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: pineapple on the tray.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's what I'm thinking, is like, she's at
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: a Christmas party right right, she's snacking. She's a baby,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: she's six years old. I do think that they may
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: have fed it to her though, because they love their
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: symbolism and they love their like the black and white
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: tile floor at the Ramsey's home and like xyz, all
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: this shit they love their symbolism. So I don't that
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: the irony does not pass me that she had pineapple
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: in the.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: Stomach, even just stating that she had pineapple in her
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: stomach that because it seems like something that well, who
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: gives a fuck what she ate? Right, But you make
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: a note saying that she had pineapple in her stomach,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. It's almost like how they
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: always anytime they break a news story, thirty three people died,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: this happened at three thirty three. You know, it's always this.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: There's there's little undertones of symbolism to go within all
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: the occult like this is something they absolutely believe in,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: is symbolism. And so if you're you know, inputting certain
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: little things that seemingly don't really matter one way or another,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: there usually is some kind of specific reason for their
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: specific ritual.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: And I see what you're saying, right, Like they could
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: do a test to see she was she drugged?
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: Was there something in her system that would have did
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: she eat something that night? Was there any chance of
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: their pills being in the system. But if that was
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: the case, they would have just said the statement there
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: was no sign of drugs or alcohol or this and it.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: Why did they have to make mention specifically that it
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: was pineapple. They could have said some food undigestive.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: It's like in everyone's memory now to like, oh, she
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: ate pineapple that night, She ate pineapple that night, Like
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: everybody knows that. Who studies this case, and they all
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: talk about the pineapple. But the other interesting thing is
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: there was this thing that went around in the nineties
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: called the Wonderland Raid where they busted a bunch of
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: pedophiles that had like child pornography on their computers and shit,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of them had pictures of John Benet. Interesting, okay,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: and then they rated the Access Graphics, the company that
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: John owned, and they found child pornography on his computers
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: at work.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, Access some sort of connection to child
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: born in John Maine's parents.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't remember if they found it in their basement
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: or what.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: So it was only founded at Access Graphics.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: Wow, I mean she's like a.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: Media kind of company exactly.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's somebody who would be able to
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: put together a well put kind of movie, you know,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: mm hmmm mm hmm.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: I could also see this being a hypothetical as well
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: kind of online with you, Julie Lea. I'm just saying here, okay,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: m go there, Okay, Julia, all right, let's let's walk
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: down this road. Let's do that. So let's say that
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: this party was that type of party, all right, which is.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Also if the mayor was there, why she said there's
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: no boogeyman on the streets and she knows what happened.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: Okay. Now, let's say it wasn't John Manet's parents hurt
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: themselves or anything like that. Let's say that this particular party,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: over one hundred people in attendance, and all of that
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: type of wealth and attendance. Let's say that one of
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: the actual big shots was there, right, And that's why
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: I was cold case. And the district attorneys said, we're
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: not digging deeper because if they ever ran any sample whatsoever,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying the president of the United States, I'm
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: not saying whoever the head of the CIA was at
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: the time, whoever, it doesn't matter. But what if whoever
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: assaulted her and did unspeakable things was actually a top
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: dog that happened to be passing through that party that night,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: and John Benay's parents just fell in line because they
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: knew if they even raised a word about it, then
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: they'd be ruined. But if they play along and this
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: just goes away as a cold case, I can promise
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: your company will do a billion this year. Buh, how
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: about that?
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: So I as exactly what happened, But I don't think
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: the intent was death. I think that the intent was,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: let me do what I want to her, and then
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: you'll be rewarded. And they accidentally kind of like Heather
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: or Rourke, the little girl from the Poltergeist movies, how
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: they said that she died. It was like, oh, come
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: out on this stage and do a little bikini pageant
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: show for me. They took her in the back, raped
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: her to death, and then fucking they said she had
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: a colon cleanse or whatever the fuck. They tried to
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: blame it on some colon condition. But here's my thing.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: I think that it was accidental death because of the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: sloppy cover up job, because if the intent was death,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: they would have had a lot more time to put
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: together a better cover story if they knew that night
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: they were going to kill her. Because it's so sloppy,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: I think they accidentally killed her and then the parents
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: took her back home and had to come up with
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: something on the spot, which is again why Fleet ran
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: over to their house first thing in the morning and
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: was like, all right, did you call nine one one?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: All right, let's run through this. This is what we're
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: gonna do after the police get here. If they say
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: they want to search the place, We're going to go
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: find her in the basement. Ya da da da da.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: Like they came up with a real sloppy, like fast
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: cover story. But what's also interesting to me is Jean
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: Benet is the name of some kind of like Satanic
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: ritual that's performed on Christmas. What. Yeah, almost like she
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: was born for the slaughter. Oh google it, Jean Benet
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: Satanic ritual. Got it, You'll find shit on it.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: You'll find named a ritual after.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: Her, yes, or vice versa. She was named after a ritual.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: Well, well, in that's case, maybe her father was named
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: after it male equivalent, because his name John Bennett, I
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: only name.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: I've always thought that she was named after her dad,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: But then somebody who listened to my podcast brought this
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: to my attention, So I don't know if she came first,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: then the name of the ritual or if the ritual
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: came first and then she was named after it.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: But if this is something that he learned from his father, right,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: who may have named him the male equivalent of this,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: We don't know how far back this goes.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: We don't know how far back it goes. We did
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: know that he was into some shady fucking shit though, yep.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: And I know that most people that are into that
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: type of shit don't just wake up one day, you
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: know what, I've just got a weird hankering right now.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: Usually it takes and it comes from and it stems
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: from and you don't know what they experienced in their
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: kids and hurt people, hurt people. Again, not trying to
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: make excuses for this piece of shit, but really and truly,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: how do we know he wasn't named after it and
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: then he in turn named his daughter for this purpose?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: And like all of this, generational curses are a thing, absolutely.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: Right, almost as if they it was in some way
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: by design. But I can't be for sure on that
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: because it was brought to my attention by one of
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: my listeners who had looked into it a little bit
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: and was like, did you know there's a Satanic Christmas
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: ritual where they use the name Jean Benet, maybe not
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: the Benet part as much as like the gen ben
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: something something. Did you find it?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: I found something, and I thought that it was interesting.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: This is on Fox News, just the article alone and
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: the symbolism within it. John bin, A Ramsey's father, speaks
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: on child's murders celebrating Christmas twenty seven years later. There's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: that twenty seven you were talking about, right, and so
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: now the dad is getting into it, and John Ramsey
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: told Fox News Digital he and his family didn't celebrate
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: Christmas for several years, but now he has grandchildren and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: we have to enjoy those in our life. He said
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: he would celebrate the holiday with them. It'll be a
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: joyful Christmas. You've got to remember what Christmas is all about.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: That and that helps solidify our view of life and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: what life's all about. So anyway, I thought it was
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: interesting how they don't start celebrating Christmas until the twenty
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: seventh year after she died.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: It says later in that article that they have grandchildren
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: now and they have to enjoy those that are still grandchildren.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: Patsy died in two thousand and six from cancer.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so Birk must have had children, so you.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: Know who he's fucking these days? Who's that, John Ramsey?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: You know who he's fucking these days? Grandchildren? Lady Gaga,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: you ever heard of the famous missing case of the
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: little girl named Natalie Holloway. Yeah, he's fucking her mom?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: What they're together?
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Wait?
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: Wait wait the little girl in the carton like that,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: Natalie Halloway.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: Natalie Halloway's mom is fucking John Ramsey.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 6: Wow?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: This uh to quote the late great lay He from
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: Trailer Park Boys, birds of a shit feather flock together,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: That's what it sounds like.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: That's like worth five individual red flags. I don't even
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: know what number we're at anymore.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: Like one of the dude Patsy couldn't keep herself together
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: because she had to keep all this shit under wraps.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: She started going mentally crazy and then she got a
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: weird like real fast acting quick cancer that killed her.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: Right then John starts dating and the only person he
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: can fucking find is Natalie Hallaway's mother. Think about that.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, I bet she won't judge him.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: No, she probably is up to some fucking shit too.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna mention a name here and I'm gonna
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: sum all this shit up together. First, have you heard
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: of the Franklin cover up, the Franklin scandal, Yeslin, So
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: that was about Johnny Gosh and all and Paul Banassi
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: and they take these people and they create split personalities
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: in them and use them in these sex rings and
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: shit like that. That was the Franklin cover up. But
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: there is someone who wrote about the Franklin cover up
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: in relation to Johnny Gosh and all these missing kids
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: that nobody ever finds again, right, And that was Hunter S. Thompson.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: Oh say, now, let's hear a little bit from Hunter S. Thompson.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's pure adrenachrome.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: He was said, that's the drenochrome guy.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: He was taken to court over facing sexual charges and
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: the case was dropped against him. But then he went
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: on to write like fear and loathing in Las Vegas
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: and mentioning the adrena chrome and like he tends to
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: know all these weird things about like the Franklin cover
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: up and shit, why does he know that stuff?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: Curiously, Hunter S. Thompson has been accused by witnesses in
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: the Franklin cover up of being a producer of child
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: snuff films. Okay, and I covered an episode with Johnny
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: Gosh going into this and Paul Banassi, who has come
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: out and he does have split personality disorder, and he
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: talks about what these kids have to go through in
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: these programs. They split you off, kind of like what
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: I talked about in the Star Trek episode. They programmed you,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: they split your alpha personality off, and then you're kind
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: of like a Manchurian candidate and you work these sex programs.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: And Paul Banasi said that that's what happened to Johnny
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: Gosh and a lot of these missing kids. And according
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: to Paul Banassi and other witnesses, Hunter S. Thompson is
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: the one behind the camera whoa Okay, so he actually
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: wrote something. Let me get to it.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: This is I'm saying the connections, dude.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: That checks out well, not fully. I'm not like a
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: huge I don't have a huge knowledge base on Hunter S.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: Thompson specifically, But how would he know about adrenochrome during
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: that time?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Nobody knew When that.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: Was mentioned in Fear and Loathing, people didn't even know
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: what the fuck that was. Only later, only recently, like
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: in the last what decade maybe two did anybody actually
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: start wait wait wait what did he mention? What did
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: that tie into? I'm just saying like nobody actually knew
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: what that was. That could have just as well been zorflam.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a new drugs or flam.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: Everybody's talking about that.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: And I have I talked to you guys about the
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: mk ultra thing with with the Wizard of Oz and
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: how I think it's programming and they use it to
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: create some of these children.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I don't know if you necessarily gotten
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: a Wizard of Oz, but you were talking about how
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: they'll are they'll put a little girl in front of
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: you know, Beauty and the Beast, and you're no longer
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: Amy now you're you know, mell or whatever.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: Which, by the way, in the basement of the Ramseys
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: home twenty thirty posters of Star Trek. Anyways, I think okay,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: I think one of the first movies that they use though,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: is The Wizard of Oz. And I found a lot
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: of like references to the Wizard of Oz is similar
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: to Alice in Wonderland where they use it in these
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: programs and Hunter S. Thompson wrote columns that he called
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: hey Rube, almost as it's like ruby slippers, like it
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: always kind of like hey Rube. And then one of
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: the suspects in the John Benet Ramsey case that was
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: friends with the Ramseys, but it never went anywhere because
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: obviously he didn't have anything to do with it. He
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: also wrote a screenplay about finding a little girl's dead
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: body in the basement that was a victim of sexual abuse,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: and he called it hey Rube.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: WHOA.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm tied. I'm tying those two things together
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: because I think that's an interesting title to choose. Now,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: some of the articles that he wrote are just about
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: like Johnny Depp and Fidel Castro and like air force
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: bases and just weird stuff. Yeah, then he writes, and
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: he did get suicided, by the way, Hunter S. Tom
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: was definitely suicided. He was even on the phone with
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: his daughter when it happened and she just heard like
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: a gunshot and then they found his body or whatever.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: He was on his typewriter typing when he got quote
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: unquote suicided. Wow, and he said, this is a quote
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: from Hunter S. Thompson. The truth, when you finally chase
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: it down, is always far worse than your darkest visions
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: and fears, and he wrote stuff about nine to eleven
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: and he was he was trying to get people to
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: wake up about that shit. And let's see, so Hunter S.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: Thompson was talking about all that you're saying.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: Yep, Hunter S. Thompson was talking about nine to eleven
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: and like trying to get people to wake up about
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: that shit right before he got suicided by the way.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: And then Paul Ba Nasi, the guy who defied against
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: Hunter S. Thompson that he was making these snuff films,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: said that in July nineteen eighty four he was forced
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: to participate in an orgy at Bohemian Grove where a
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: young boy was brutally raped and sodomized repeatedly and then murdered.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: But Nazi said the killing was filmed by you guests
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: at Hunter S. Thompson who had joined their private jet
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: flight to the West Coast in Las Vegas. And then
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: some dude named Rusty Nelson was inside the Franklin operations
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: and believes Thompson was a loosened that had to get
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: dealt with.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: Now I've heard Rusty's name a lot this week. As
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: a matter of fact, I was doing some digging into
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: a show that I was gonna be producing. But yeah,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: Rusty is a very well known pedophilic cameraman and was
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: brought up multiple times in different cases.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: So he was rubin schuld with Hunter. Now, what's interesting
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: is in Hunter S. Thompson's column, Hey Rube, he writes
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: this quote, the autumn months are never a calm time
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: in America. There is always a rash of kidnappings and
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: abductions of school children. In the football months, preteens of
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: both sexes are traditionally seized and grabbed off the streets
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: by gangs of organized perverts who traditionally give them as
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: Christmas gifts to each other to be personal sex slaves
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: and play things.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 5: And that makes sense at football season, right, the big games,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 5: the kids are playing football underneath the bleachers. Parents ain't
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 5: really watching them. Big crowds, kind of easy to get
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: lost of big fall festivals, right, the kids are kind
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: of running all over the fair grounds, going this way
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: and that way. Kind of easy for them to get lost.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: And by the time the parents are really as they're gone,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 5: that kid's already halfway down interstate.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: But think about that, they give them as Christmas gifts
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: to each other. And when did John Bennet die?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, you see what I'm saying. Hunter S. Thompson told
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: us what they're doing with these kids, Wow, they give
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: them as fucking Christmas gifts. That's why if there was
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 4: like a big head hauncho guy in fucking the Eyes
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: White Chet party and he was like, yeah, I want
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: to take a turn, and he accidentally killed her whatever,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 4: It's like it was like a gift to them, like, yeah,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: here you want my prize, beauty queen. Right, this is
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: like the upper echelon this little girl is like and
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: then gives it as a gift.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, fucked it is.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: And this this, while it is, yes, a very dark
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: and disgusting topic, it's not something that doesn't happen. It's
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 5: not something that we haven't heard about, we haven't talked about,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 5: like this is in fact what this group of individuals does.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: And yes, not every single elected official is a part
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: of this clique, right, I get that, But that doesn't
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: mean that that click doesn't exist all over the world.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: And yes, potentially even in your neighborhood.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, there was this article that I had seen
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: not that long ago, and it was talking about this
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: kind of scenario in a sense of like, you know,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: the boyfriend of the mother of the kid was asking
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: the mother, Hey, you know, do you think it'd be
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: all right, like if we just are you into anything?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: Like is there anything that you won't do?
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: And then the mother's like, yeah, I'm down for anything,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: And what about your kid? You want to be able
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: to invite your kid into this? And hey, look, I
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: mean if that's what, if you want to take it
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: to that place, we can go there. It's just like
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: some people really really get so extreme with this kind
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: of shit that they I mean, this is absolutely losing
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: track of reality in a sense, like you're no longer
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: a human anymore. Like because humans we tend to, you know,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: we're empathetic, especially towards kids, especially towards the innocence. But
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: whenever your kink or your fucked up mind takes you
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: in this direction, I'm sorry, dude. Like it's it's time
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: for you to go and and not not to you know,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: to heaven or anything like that. Dude, I'm talking about it.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: It's time to send your ass to the fucking abyss
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: and kill your soul or your energy bubble or whatever.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: The fuck it is forever. There has to be a
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: way for shit like this to happen, dude, And like,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like you start looking into Like I
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: was reading this other thing the other day too where
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: they were talking about the how they want to get
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: rid of the electric chair. Now this is gonna get
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: a little woo woo. So I'm sorry I have to
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: bring this in here. But they wanted to try and
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: get rid of the electric chair because they believe that,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: you know, whenever somebody is electrocuted, that's that's how we
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: end up getting like ghosts and stuff, because then they
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: disassociate like from their body, and they have time to
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: be able to jump out of the body and now
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: they're just part of the etheric realm. Anyway, I'm getting
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: all super weird over.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I that sucks because Ted Bundy was electrocuted.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 5: Right, So is that why all of the ghosts that
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 5: we have are so malevolent? Is because these are all
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: electrocution victims who were only going to be electrocuted if
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 5: they were like the most heinous of criminals. So, like,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 5: is that why all of the ghosts are up to
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 5: no good?
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: They're all electrocution victims.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: And that's how they get trapped right like, they can't
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: move on, they can't go on to the other side.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: They're just stuck like right in.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 4: The middle, trapped from being electrocuted. I can see that.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: But I do have one more actually, just a quick
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: thing to kind of tie all of this together in
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 4: a little conspiracy bow. What if I told you that
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: maybe And I've mentioned it several times in this episode,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: Eyes White Shut was not before John Beney. John Benet
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: happened before Eyes White Shut was ever released, and there
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 4: is a lot of similarities in the movie Eyes Wide
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: Shut to what happened to John Beney. My question to
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: you is, could it have been some kind of fucked
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: up inspiration behind Stanley Kubrick releasing this movie because it
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: was filmed near Boulder, Colorado, where John Beney died, and
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: also Nicole Kidman was in the area in Boulder, Colorado
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: when Jean Benet died, and she's in Eyes Wide Shut
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: and the sacrificial Lamb at the end of the movie.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: It's plastered all over the newspapers. Beauty Queen dies, Beauty Queen.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: This that why the girl who dies at the Eyes
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: Wide chut party a symbol of the Beauty Queen as
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 4: John Bennet was.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, dude, and that was Kubrick's last movie that
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: he ever did.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: And then he got yep fucking off.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: Yep, eyeswatch shut. They say that that was like his
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: way of blowing the whistle on whatever's going on in Hollywood,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: and that that could have been John.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: Been a the last straw though, and he was like,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 4: fuck it, this needs to come out now.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you what you feel about Hunter S. Thompson.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 5: Do you think that like he was involved with some
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: horrible shit and then had to change of heart and
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 5: try blowing the lid off of things, and that's why
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 5: he got got.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: I think that they stopped using him and they cut
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: him off and they were like, we don't need you anymore,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 4: and he got sour and started he was like, oh
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: you don't need me anymore? Oh you think I'm just
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: gonna keep all this shit under wraps and you're gonna
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 4: cut my cash cow off? How about I start writing
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: about some shit? How about that whoa and he has
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was remorseful. I think it was
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: pissed off and Hunter S.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: Thompson was a loose cannon from start to finish. I mean,
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: you look at his list of drugs that he would
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: take on a daily basis. I'm talking about like all
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: every drug that you can imagine, Like dude was constantly plastered.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about like crossfade on top of crossfade on
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: top of cross fade, and I mean, yeah, I could
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: see how he could could have been a loose cannon
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: if what happens if he snorts a line of coke
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, he's like, you know what,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: fuck this, I'm gonna you know what I mean, Like
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: drug abusers like that, there is no containing that. There
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: just isn't like, and so I think that he was
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: just a loose cannon.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: I do too. And I've talked to you guys many
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: times about the split personality, but watching it is like
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: it is completely different than me telling you about it.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: How they're able to create a different personality within a child.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: And so queue up the clips of little Brother and
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. He is like
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: a totally different fucking person And the last clip is
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 4: him now as an adult, and then we can wrap
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: up and be done with it. But it's just very
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: interesting to watch his personality.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: The screening room.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: So they're about to watch an interview, and these are
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 4: criminal profilers. They're about to watch an interview of Burke
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: right after it happened.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: Jake a blow that up a little bit.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 4: They put the condition on it that it cannot.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: Be a Boulder police officer or a detective.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: Really interested in looking at his behavior. We're retired FBI profiler,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: an expert in the airs of child sex crimes, child deductions,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: and child outside.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 5: So this was the interview with Dr Susanne Bernhardt.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: As a criminal behavioral analyst, I review and advised on
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: thousands of cases, and I have a master's in forensic
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: and legal psychology. Let's look right at the beginning.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 9: So when they tell you about why you talk to me,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 9: you can mind who you know what? Well, let me
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 9: say a couple of things. Breakfast in My job is
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 9: partly to get to know you as best as I
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 9: can make sure that you're okay, because those are kind
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 9: of an artie.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 8: Okay, here, you go to school.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to stay away with you.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 4: The press my friends said that after school there's always
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: mean you seeople waiting there.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: But hop did you see broken classic?
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 6: No?
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 9: I did not.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: I think he was absent.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 9: Thanks, So do you feel like you're pretty safe?
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 6: Do you ever worry about it?
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen any indication yet that this child has
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: been through a recent trauma.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: He seems to have gone into sort of playful mode
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 4: and the tone of it is completely off.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: The sister disappears in the middle of the night, she
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: ends up dead in the basement, and he.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 4: Doesn't worry about himself or worrying that they may come
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: back for him.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's another thing that plays on the child.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: Sure, especially somebody who's that young. I mean, they're still
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: very vulnerable.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 11: He was in the house at the time and doesn't
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 11: seem to be.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: Concerned at all.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: Do you have any secrets? Do you think? I probably do.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: I don't think I kill you?
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 7: Why not?
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: Only secret? Set?
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 7: Was just sitting all right?
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting here? A couple of things. Any trained
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: child interview specialist should know that the most important things
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: are the things that people tell children or see.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 11: Those are generally the crimes that are committed against them
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 11: and the crimes that they witness. Of the course of
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 11: my career, I've actually attended training and given training to
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 11: child interview specialists.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know why she just totally gave up on that.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 5: Do you think she might circle back to it?
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 9: So things change that your house a lot, Yeah, let's change,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 9: you know, police have.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: It rocked up.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 9: Well, what about sing and your parents?
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: Your parents are prime.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm doing basically just going on you.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 5: That's an odd time of phrase to just go on
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: with your life when you're your sister's be murdered and
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 5: found in your house.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure you can just go on with your life.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, true, a very resilient.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: And they that's probably good for that, Clint, but it
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 4: just kind of shows you he has no feelings about
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 4: what happened whatsoever. He'll say like, I don't remember. Even
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 4: if I could remember, I wouldn't tell you. I'm just
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 4: moving on with my life. He's laughing, He's like playing
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 4: games and shit. But and this is just more of that.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just him saying like, I don't remember,
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't tell you if you if even if I
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: did remember, I'm moving on with my life. Blah blah blah.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: If you want to skip to the doctor phil interview
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: of him. Now you can it's just like you can
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: tell there's he's just fucked like he's got split personality.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: He's smiling and laughing about his dead sister, even now,
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: thirty years later, smiling and laughing.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 5: And I mean everything that the psychologist said is correct.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: A kid who even even a.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 5: Child who may not grasp the concept of death, right,
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 5: even a kid who, let's just say hypothetically, has never
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 5: been to a funeral, right, has never actually seen a
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 5: loved one die, and like even in some sort of
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 5: mental shock, right, and and just kind of putting it
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 5: behind them, and years later they come to grips with
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 5: it and it's a whole thing. I could see that
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 5: in some sort of way. But bro, that's your little sister.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: And he's just like whatever.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: And he's not scared either. He's like, no, I'm not scared.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: No fucking terrified.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's definitely trained.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 4: Trained. Yeah, Okay, now let's see him, see him now,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 4: all right?
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 10: Are you aware of these different theories that are out there,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 10: Theories that you killed your sister, theories that your mother
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 10: killed John Maine, and theories that an intruder kill Jobine
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 10: those seem to be the camps that people talk about.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, real quick, when did it ever get discussed that
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 5: he killed her?
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 4: There is a theory that he got mad at her
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 4: that night after the Christmas party and busted her over
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 4: the head with something, and then they tried to cover
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: up her death.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, from the skull fracture.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: From the skull fracture. But it just that wouldn't make
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: any sense with all the other stuff, Like you know
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like that's just another red herring. Oh
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: Burke did it. He was fucking nine years old, and
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 4: fucking his mind has been wiped. What do you think?
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And also remember the little girl had semen on
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: her legs. This this little kid, it wasn't even producing
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: semen yet, that fucking nine years old.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: You cracked her over the head, raped or put wood
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: chips in her pussy. Fucking did all this shit at
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: nine years old, and then like you would never obviously
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: you'd never be the same if you did some shit
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: like that. But he strikes me as someone who has
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: had their memory wiped, and that's why he has no remorse.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: He doesn't care about his sister. He doesn't have any
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 4: any sad feelings. He doesn't. He's literally laughing and smiling
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: through this whole thing.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 5: All right, let's got let's go.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 3: It's a joke to him.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 7: Yeh, I know that we are suspects. I didn't know
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 7: they were camps, I guess.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 10: And these are people that post online. The shorthand is
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 10: RDI Ramsey did it, I DI I Intruder did it?
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 10: Or BD I Burt did it? Do you know the
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 10: theories that they set forth in saying that your mom
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 10: killed John Benney.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 7: I don't know the details, but I know the ransom. No,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 7: they've been the handwriting match.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 10: Have you seen it? Have you read it?
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 7: I don't think I've read the whole thing. I've definitely
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 7: seen pictures of it, though.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 10: Did the handwriting look familiar to you at all? Had
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 10: you seen it ever before? No?
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 7: I feel like they'll listen carefully. Is very distinct, and
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 7: I've never really seen that. I don't know, I've never
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 7: really looked at it closely because I'll see it and
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 7: kind of get taken aback, and it's not something I
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 7: really want to look at it like a lot, you know.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 5: Hold on real quick. This is one of the key
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 5: pieces of evidence that made your family as famous as
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 5: they are or infamous as they are. You've never read
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 5: three pages in your life.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: Bruh over his sister's death.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 5: Like you never thought even as an adult, Like you know,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 5: he doesn't give a shit.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 4: That's the thing. They've wiped him. Wow, he's saying, they're
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: smiling and laughing about it. No, I mean, like I'm
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: not reading that he's smiling.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: He's smiling as he's saying this. He's not even like
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 5: Like if he was troubled by it even And don't
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 5: give me that whole Oh yeah, he's just that type
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 5: of person that smile, like cuts up and laughs a
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 5: little bit when they're nervous.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: Bro bullshit, bullshit.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 4: He has no feelings about it whatsoever.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, all right, let's keep going.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 10: Does that look like her handwriting?
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 7: Honestly? Looking at that, she would always bug me about
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 7: having good handwriting, and she would like make me rewrite
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 7: stuff to try to get me to have good handwriting.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 7: And I think it's too sloppy.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 5: It's too sloppy to be his mom's handwriting.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 4: He's laughing, Oh my god, Like she used to make
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 4: me like have perfect penmanship and stuff, and like it
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 4: just looks a little too sloppy. This note that I've
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 4: never even read, because I don't give a shit. Like
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 4: he's laughing, cracking jokes.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: You know who he kind of he kind of looks
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: like I can never remember his name, but the dude
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: from Lord of the Rings, the main guy, Frodol didn't.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 4: He kind of look like him. You know what's weird
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 4: is that they said he always has had personality disorders,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 4: and that he would shit and like smear a shit
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 4: on the walls, and he would shit on John Benet's clothes,
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 4: and he would crawl in John Benet's bed and take
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 4: big shits, and he's always been fucked up. And if
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: you witness something like that, you would be fucked up
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 4: if you had witnessed people coming in and out of
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 4: your house doing that kind of stuff to your sister
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 4: or possibly even him. Let's be real, he probably didn't
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 4: get off scot free. He's probably been pedophiled on. You
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 4: might have personality disorders where you shit on stuff and whatever.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 4: They did find stun gun marks all over Jean Benet's
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 4: body as well, So the torture wasn't like that wasn't new.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: What the hell? Yeah, there's no way that he.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 5: Got out of that house unscathed.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah no, and you can tell his personality is totally fucked.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what I mean, so, what do you guys think?
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going with the Christmas Night Christmas party massacre that
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 4: ended up in a patched up cover job. And I
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 4: know that we've been doing this for a few hours now,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: So I mean, what are you what are your thoughts?
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of information, I know, but.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 5: I gotta hypothesis of my own. But Jonathan, you go first.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 5: Who do you think did it?
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be real with you, dude. I think it
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: might be too simple just to put it on the mom.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: I think that this was an absolute group effort you're
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: talking about, Like they all went to this party. They
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: were probably all dabbling into raping this poor little girl
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: and being you know, tossing her around and everything. One
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: person can't think of every single angle to cover on this.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: And then couple that with the fact that she called
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: over the homeboy that hosted the party in the first place.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: Clearly he would have some insights, so you'd want to
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: go to him, how right, So let's make sure we
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: got this story together real quick, like one last time.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: Let's make sure we all got this together. The dad
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: leaves for a little bit to go run some errands
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: and shit, as if you know, the kid wasn't just
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: brutally raped and murdered. It's like it seems like a
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: group effort. I'm putting it on the dad, I'm putting
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: it on the mom, putting it at everybody that was
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: at that party, including possibly the DA who was probably
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: at that party all you know, policemen who decided not
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: to really pay attention to the finer details as far
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: as the body being moved several times. This seems like
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: an absolute group effort to cover this thing up. I
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: don't think one person could have done it.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 5: I'm with you. I'm with you. But here's the deal.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're right. One person can't cover all
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 5: these angles. And if you're strategic about it, you only
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 5: need one person to cover all of the angles. The
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 5: DA now throwing enough money at a DA to make
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 5: problems go away that's been done before hiring that DA
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 5: that you paid off once upon a time to work
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 5: for your billion dollar company after the fact. Yeah no, Now,
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 5: there's no questions on this one, and not just send
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 5: the entire legal team.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 4: Right, but and then going on to Mary Natalie Holloway's mom,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like it's never ending past. He
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 4: guy's a weird cancer dead. Then he's dating somebody whose
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: daughter also died in a horrible, tragic way that's never
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 4: been solved.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 5: Right, absolutely, So I'm thinking that definitely something at the party,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 5: or possibly a person that they met at the party
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 5: that came to the house later. Right, So she was
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 5: asleep in the car allegedly, if we're believing a fraction
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 5: of what they said. So what's to say that the
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 5: auction didn't happen at the party, The disgusting things happened
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 5: in the basement at the home that night, and then
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 5: they came up with this crazy last minute cover story
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 5: because an accident happened and it wasn't supposed to go
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 5: that far. But now they have to call this guy.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 5: This guy, this guy, he already put in a call
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 5: to the DA. He said, you need to call nine
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 5: one one, tell them this, only this, and hang up.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 5: That way, they can't they can't question you for more things.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 5: There's no more recordings. Only say this much to the
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 5: nine one one operator. And you see what I'm saying
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 5: it was very very quickly done. So I don't know
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 5: if the party itself is where the evil took place,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 5: but it could have.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not dismissing that.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 4: Possibility, just just throwing this out there. What if it
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: was the DA himself.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 5: Quite possibly, but I also could see it going higher
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 5: than him if this DA had other And again I
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 5: don't know who the gentleman was, but assuming that he
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 5: was Alex Hunter, Alex Hunter, I have no idea what
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 5: his record is. I don't know if he's a repeat offender,
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 5: and there's been multiple things with multiple sketchiness with him.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, it is a lot of sketchy. He passed a
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 4: lot of shit that was super sketchy, and he was
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 4: a scoundrel from day one.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, so he very possibly could have been the quote
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 5: unquote big dog at the party that he kind of
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 5: fucked up, but now it's our problem and we need
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 5: to cover this up right now.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 4: And protected them so vigorously. It almost is as if
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 4: he had a stake in it.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 5: Well he did. He ended up working for him after
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: the so he absolutely his future was reliant on however
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 5: this shook out. So I'm not saying he was for
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 5: sure the guilty party, but he was involved. And at
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 5: this point and with this story, if you were involved
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 5: with the cover up, you are equally guilty in my eyes.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry you walked in on a rape happening and
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 5: walked out and didn't say anything. You are now equally
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 5: guilty of that crime in my opinion, So top to bottom,
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 5: if you had your affiliation or association with this, you
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 5: should be brought down for charges. And there's no way
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 5: that this did not happen without the parent's knowledge. It
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 5: start to finish, I think I legitimately counted somewhere around
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 5: one hundred red flags, and that was me being generous.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 5: That was me not even asking other questions that would
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 5: have led to other red flags.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: How about this, I found another little piece of information
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: that may be pretty pertinent. So I was going down
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: a little Reddit rabbit hole and supposedly this Alex Hunter
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: went onto a podcast called The Mile High Club Podcast,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: and it says the former DA under Alex Hunter, so
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: not Alex Hunter. Under Alex Hunter now speaks about the
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: DNA and why they didn't prosecute the Ramseys. The Ramses
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: recently on the mile Mile High Club podcast, it says
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: in this podcast they start speaking about the John Binney
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: case at forty four minutes and thirty seconds. It says
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 3: this guy basically recommended to DA head Hunter, to DA
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: head Alex Hunter, based on the foreign DNA found in
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: John Benet's panties, to not go forward with the case
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: against the Ramseys. He did acknowledge the experimental test that
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: they ran on brand new store bought right in the
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: package pannies where they also did find foreign DNA, So
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: the brand new pannies also had some shit going on there.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: It says most of the theorists believe that DNA found
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: in John Mainet's giant underwear was probably deposited at the
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: point of manufacturer. What he explained this.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 4: It makes sense because she also had semen on her
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: legs and wood chips in her vagina.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. It says that he explained this
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 3: was actually his partner's theory he worked with on the case.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: This was his partner's effort to explain the foreign DNA,
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: But he was fairly dismissive of this, and although he
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: was surprised, his partner was right there was foreign DNA
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: even on brand new panties. He said it wasn't anywhere
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 3: close to the level of markers found in this one
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: particular spot of blood on John Binet's panties. So the
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: reason this never went to trial is essentially based entirely
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: on this one spot of blood, likely all John Beinet's blood,
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 3: as he said, mixed with in all likelihood saliva of
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: a male perpetrator. They know it's not foreign sperm, and
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: they are nearly certain it's not foreign blood. The whole
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 3: case for the Ramsey's defense hangs on this one piece
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: of evidence, and this guy is adamant. If you can't
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: answer this question, you've got basically nothing on the Ramseys.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: But even in that yeah, it says, even in that spot,
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 3: it just barely met the standards for Cotis Cody's and
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 3: it is quite co d I. Yes, maybe that's what.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe they misspelled it. Anyway, And despite proving foreign DNA
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 3: is all over many things, including new clothes, he's convinced
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: the person that left this DNA is the killer. It
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: didn't match any suspect that they had. It doesn't match
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 3: the millions of people they they have run it against
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 3: the system to this day, and most importantly to him.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: It doesn't match the Ramseys so anyway.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 4: Because it probably wasn't the Ramseys rap and honor, right.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you don't. You don't get high on
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: your own supply, as they say.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean yes, but if it was them, I
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 5: don't think it would have gone to the point of death.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: That was their that was their money maker, so.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: To speak, right, And I don't think I think it's
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 4: like I said, they offered her up to whoever ended
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: up accidentally killing her. Yea, and there was there and
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 4: this the oh we tested brand new panties out of
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 4: the pack and found DNA on them too, whatever it
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 4: could be from the person who packaged the panties. First off,
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 4: what kind of DNA are you finding? Did they have
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 4: a freaking paper cut and they packaged the panties in
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 4: a sweatshop and some sweat dripped off their fucking head
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 4: before they packaged the panties. No, we're talking about on
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 4: John and Day with semen and blood and weird stuff
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 4: that wouldn't be on brand new panties out of the package.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: This is very Uh, if the glove don't fit, you
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 3: must have quit exactly.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's why I'm thinking like, of course they're
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 4: going to try to trump up some stupid, retarded shit
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 4: to make it seem like so I think, And what
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 4: also would account for like the stun gun marks and
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 4: the choking and her being cracked over the head unless
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: it was, like Jonathan said, who when you get to
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 4: the point where you have to rape six year olds
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 4: to get off, even that is not enough. There has
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 4: to be a little torture aspect to it where you're
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 4: freaking having a little torture sash before you even get
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 4: to the good part. It's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 4: punch her in the head, stun gunner, choke her out
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: a little bit, smother her, do this, do that, and
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 4: then I'm gonna get to the rape part. Because the
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 4: rape equals I just came. Now it's over. There has
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 4: to be this whole build up, And I know this
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 4: sounds horrible talking about it, but they have to build
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: this whole thing up in their mind to even get
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 4: to the point where they just want it to.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 3: Be over, essentially like milking.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like why would you just go in and rape
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 4: and come real quick and have it be over with?
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 4: These are six sadistic fucks. Yeah, fucking sick and twisted fucks.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 4: They're gonna torture her a little bit, fucking play with
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: their food, and then they're going to do the inevitable.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: They're not just going to run in there and get
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 4: it over real quick. And especially if they paid the
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 4: Ramses to do this, They're gonna take their sweet ass
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 4: fucking time in there, which would account for the choking
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 4: and the head fracture and the wood chips in the
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 4: vagina and the stun gun marks, and like she went
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: through an ordeal before it was over, right.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, dude, you're talking about an absolute boatload of
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 3: evidence and they still didn't prosecute. There's nobody went to jail,
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: nobody was fined, you know what I mean. These people
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 3: are still like, I know, the wife, you know, died,
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: but like you leave the husband to go and date
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: and eventually marry another victim crime like this, like another
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: like possible rape thing. It's like, dude, these people are
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 3: still getting away with it, even to the day.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: I guaranteing his other dead daughter.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which who's to say how that played out or
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 5: what happened there.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know he had another daughter.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 4: Remember, at the beginning of the episode, and I will say, yeah, okay,
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 4: before this, before this, I didn't even know that, like
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, And that's the thing.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 5: Whenever you started this podcast with this episode, you asked us,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 5: what do we know about John Bennet. A lot of
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 5: people don't know much about her or about the story,
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 5: or maybe they remember it when it was happening, or
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 5: like what they read about or heard about in the news,
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 5: But it's been so long, who can really remember all
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 5: those details. But even now finding all these things out
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 5: as of time of recording, the official narrative that is
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 5: accepted on the government legal side of things is that
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 5: an attacker broke into the home, committed horrible acts, redressed her,
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 5: restrained her down in the basement, went to the got
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 5: the paper, and wrote a ransom note after it was
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 5: all said and done, knowing that this person was not
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 5: going to get the money because she had already died
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 5: because he had just did it, wrote a ransom note
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 5: and then left through a window that was broken, and
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 5: everybody knew it was broken window, but.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 4: It had cobwebs and cobwebs.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 5: And didn't mean the betrayal enter out. Nothing happened, But
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 5: all of that happened close case. We don't know who
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 5: the killer is. He's still at large, but he's not
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 5: out there, the mayor told us, and uh, it's all good,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 5: and like we're just letting that one go. That is
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 5: the story, no questions asked.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 4: That's the jummed it up perfectly. I couldn't have done
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: better myself. What and a bunch of steaming fucking horseshit
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 4: is that? Yeah, and this little girl. And it's so
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 4: sad because even at the end of this documentary, I
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 4: showed you some clips from the investigators went and put
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 4: like a bunch of roses on John Benay's grave and
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 4: they were like, you will never see justice because they
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 4: don't want people to know what really happened. Because if
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 4: people knew what really happened, this would be a different
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 4: podcast right now.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 5: Right right.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, unfortunately, all that's left is for us to
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: jar our own conclusions. And you know, I mean, that's
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: that's pretty much it. But it just goes to show
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: like the higher up your connections are within the government,
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 3: within Hollywood, whatever, the higher up your connections are, the
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: more you can get away with and and and it
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: just goes to show that this country absolutely is a
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 3: corporation because all you gotta do is just pay your dues.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: That's all they care about. They don't they don't care
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: about making money from you while you're in jail. They
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 3: want to make they if you can pay off more
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 3: than what you would they would make from you going
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: to jail, they would rather that. And we've talked about
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 3: certain cases. Even in the NFL, Deshaun Watson was quarterback
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: of the Houston Texans, was going all the way. I
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 3: was like thirty some odd women that talked about how
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 3: he would go over there for massages and he would
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 3: end up raping them. What is it? A year and
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 3: a half later, he's that he's the fucking starting quarterback
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 3: of the Cleveland Browns. Now as if everybody forgot about it,
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 3: It's like no. What happened was is that he got
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 3: the highest amount of guaranteed money in his brand new contract,
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 3: more than any other player in the NFL history. More guaranteed,
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: meaning he could go out there first play of the game,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: break his fucking neck, never play another down again, and
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: he's still guaranteed two hundred and thirty two hundred and
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: forty million dollars.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: That is where it gets fucky whenever all of this
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 3: money is revolved.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the serial rapist is the now that guy who
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 5: has that type of bank account when lose a draw.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: This is the American legal system.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 3: That's it. Money talks. That's how it's always been. But yeah,
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, dude, Julia, a great show today. You did
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: a great job at presenting that. I learned a lot today, dude.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and again, good cult members listening. Yes, this was
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 5: a despicable, horrible subject matter. But at the same time,
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 5: the things that we do here at the Cult of
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 5: Conspiracy is unveil the covered, right, unveil the veiled, open
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 5: up the third eyes, and shine a light on these
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 5: dark and despicable things.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: Because they need to be brought to light.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 5: We need to discuss them, otherwise it would just continue
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 5: case in point Casey Anthony.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 4: And I think that's why I cover a lot of this,
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 4: like Marilyn Monroe even on my podcast, is because, yeah,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 4: it happened a long time ago, but it's not like
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 4: it's not happening now too.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's what's It's sick, dude, it really is. Casey
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 3: Anthony still walking around has a boyfriend or married. It's like,
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: who the fuck would marry you? Who would date you, dude?
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 3: Especially if that I don't know if that guy kids.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that guy has kids. There's no
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 3: way he does, right.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 5: I don't believe if I'm not mistaken, he like really
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 5: hates kids and they all kind of bonded over that.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 3: Hey, dude, as we said, birds of a shit flip
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 3: shit feather, you know what I mean?
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: So fucking lutely dude, And these people are monsters.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 4: I wonder how many John Bennets are going on, like
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 4: right now as you and I are talking right now,
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 4: and we'll never know, Like there'll be a podcaster twenty
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 4: thirty years from us speaking right now that'll be like,
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 4: do you remember in twenty twenty four when that little
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 4: girl died and like her parents and like all this
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 4: stuff and like it's happening.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: What was the big gift that went uh went viral?
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 5: The girl that was locked up in that dude's basement
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 5: for like years, yea, And the neighbor was like, we
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 5: ate ribs with this dude. We ain't had a clue
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 5: When a white woman run to a black man in
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 5: this neighborhood.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: Giveaway that guy right, that was.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 4: Happening cash what Fidel? What was his name? Something cast
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 4: Ariel Castro Yaorry Ariel Castro. It was in Cleveland, Ohio,
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 4: like right down the street from where I used to
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 4: live in his basement.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: That was in a neighborhood.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 5: This wasn't some wealthy, one percent elite person giving some
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 5: special sacrifice to save his career.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: In his company.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 5: This is a dude living in Cleveland and basically the hood.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, it was the hood of the hood.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 4: He should get fisted with hot sauce for eternity.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: But agreed.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 5: But my point is, this is happening all over the
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 5: sound of Freedom. That pedophile that in the very beginning
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 5: of the movie, all the child's porn that was making
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 5: its rounds and all that. That is real life. These
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 5: people are really existing all around us. And yes, unfortunately
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 5: it is a uncomfortable subject to bring up, but we
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 5: must bring it up.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 2: We simply must.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 4: Let me bring it into reality. Just as a closer.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 4: And I can't say the name because it's a hip
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 4: of violation, but I work at a clinic. And as
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 4: Jonathan was saying, earlier. Sometimes you just encounter people and
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 4: you get the ick on you. Right, So this guy,
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 4: old old guy, probably sixty seven or so, comes into
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 4: the clinic, and I didn't even want to hand him
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 4: his intake paperwork to fill out because I just had
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 4: the ick on me. The second he walk in. I
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 4: felt actually nauseous, like I wanted to throw up. But
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 4: it's my job to be polite and get this guy's
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 4: paperwork and like oh yeah, and set up his treatment
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 4: plan and like do all this stuff. And he got
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 4: his procedure done whatever. I work at a cosmetic surgery
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 4: place by the way, so he paid cash for his services,
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 4: and I just still like I didn't want to give
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 4: him good patient care. I was hoping they'd give him
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 4: too much propofall when they put him under and fucking
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 4: be rid of this guy. Didn't even know what he
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 4: had done, but just felt like he was that type
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 4: of dude.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 4: My curiosity took over and I just googled his name.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 4: I know that's a hip of violation, but I just
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 4: had to do it because my it was like eating
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 4: at me, like I know this mother, I just get
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 4: a fucking feeling. Googled his name first thing that popped
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 4: up was a federal court case against him, federal court case.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 4: Clicked the link and I can send it to you
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 4: so you can post it on Patreon so people can
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 4: read about this mother shit or fucking scrolled down through
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 4: the court case, raped his six year old granddaughter on video,
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 4: posted it, took pictures of it, and fucking had just
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 4: gotten out of prison. He was in there for fifteen
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 4: fucking years for what he did, and I'm supposed to
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 4: give him good patient care. I'm supposed to fucking like
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 4: when he's drooling and shit, go wipe his I wanted
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 4: to choke the motherfucker this second I found out. I
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 4: don't take his phone calls when he calls. I don't
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 4: care how his fucking follow up treatment is going.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 3: I don't care how does somebody like that even get
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 3: released from jail.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 5: Because he allegedly served his time, he's rehabilitated, he's changed.
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 4: The thing about it, though, is he has just gotten
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: out recently, and he looks like shit because he's been
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 4: in prison for fifteen years, which is how he ended
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 4: up about my office trying to get some cosmetic help done.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 4: He paid twenty six thousand dollars cash for his treatment
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 4: rolled up in in twenty twenty four BMW fucking SUV
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: And I'm sitting here like, what the fuck are you
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 4: really up to? You just got out of prison like
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 4: a few months ago, and you got a twenty twenty
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 4: four BMW and you can pay twenty six thousand dollars
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 4: cash for this surgery.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 5: Well, keep in mind, federal prison isn't like rikers, Okay,
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 5: it's not Sam Quentin.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 2: This is like a hotel.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 5: This is where the rich people go to jail, right,
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 5: which is why they always say, if you're going to
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 5: commit a crime, go big, because you don't want to
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 5: go to state prison, you want to go to federal prison.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 5: So I don't know if the guy had money to
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 5: begin with. Was he some sort of wealthy businessman. He's
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 5: he some sort of old Southern money type guy. Or
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 5: did he make all that math all that money off
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 5: of that video and off of those pictures. Who's to say?
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, dude, we know this pedophile ring is not
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 3: just about sex. It's about harvesting organs. It's about a
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 3: bunch of other things, dude, and sore, there is so
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 3: much money to be.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 4: Made, granddaughter, though, on your own six year old granddaughter,
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 4: and I was talking to my husband about it, and
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, so what he went to prison fifteen years.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 4: I hope that they fucking raped him and did all
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 4: kinds of crazy. I hope he suffered. I hope. And
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 4: I was like that he was like, yeah, but he
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 4: paid his time. That's how they see it. He paid
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 4: his time and now he's out and he's whatever. I
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 4: was like, first off, it's not going to stop him
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 4: from doing it again. Second off, that little girl will
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 4: never be the same six years old in your own
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 4: fi Grandpa does that shit to you, You're never going
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 4: to trust a man. You're never gonna feel like you're
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 4: worth anything, You're never gonna feel loved. You're always gonna
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 4: have like in the back of your head like this
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 4: happened to me, and I'm damaged. I'm broken, like that
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 4: little girl's life is over now because this flimy fuckball.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm just like, it's not a podcast anymore.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 4: It's real life, like I encountered one.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I'll tell you what. There's some and I
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 3: can't go into specific detail or anything like that because
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 3: it's I know of a story like this somebody that
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 3: I went to school with. Actually that you know, she
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 3: was raped by her grandfather a lot whenever she was
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 3: real young, and even into her twenties, she was still
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 3: going over to his house because she needed money.
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, that's.
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Like they develop a love, like a
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 3: deep love, at such a young age. You think that
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 3: that's what a grandparent is supposed to do. That's what
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 3: a parent is supposed to do. This is their way
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 3: of showing me love. I know he loves me. He's
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 3: trying to give me as much love as he possibly can.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 3: He does this out of the kindness of his heart.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 3: That's how much. And so that's what I'm trying to say,
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 3: Like this shit is so far beyond what most people
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 3: would look at this situation, like we're over here feeling
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 3: bad for you know, this kind of shit. And meanwhile,
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 3: the people who actually are getting this stuff done to them, unfortunately,
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 3: some of them end up so damn brainwashed they think
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 3: that it was kind of a victimless crime.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: It's fucked victimless.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how.
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 4: They have so many people in the programs, because they
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 4: just end up being like, I don't even think it's
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 4: that bad. Honestly, Like, I get to watch movies all
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 4: day and you know, this guy comes in everyone so
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 4: rapes on me a little bit, but I don't even
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 4: remember it because it's my other personality.
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, for me, it's.
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 4: Like they don't even you.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: Don't have to. Nobody's raping to nobody in prison anymore.
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 5: Maybe in state or maybe like local county, but at
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 5: the big prisons and stuff, they're handing it out.
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: Being gay is so common these days.
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 5: Most of the guys on the inside, or half of
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 5: them anyway, swing both ways and you could just trade
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 5: them a coffee pack to fuck them. It's like not
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 5: even that big of a deal anymore. Oh yeah, so
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 5: much so is the child molesting in in Just in
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 5: our system, the choms have so money numbers in prison
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 5: that they have formed their own prison gang for protection.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 5: Mm HMMs have their own prison gang.
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 2: That's real life right now.
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's also a politically correct term to minor attracted person.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, now on the cull to conspiracy, I'm sorry,
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 5: we don't, we don't. That's not a word. I'm not paying.
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 4: That could just be hung in the streets. That's nice,
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 4: by the nuts.
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what's sick too, is that there are
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 3: people who actually stick up for for the maps. Right,
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 3: They're like, look, it's it's not their fault, you know,
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 3: it's that's just who they are. Their brain is wired differently.
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 3: We got to accept them. And and even if they aren't,
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 3: you know, actively pursuing somebody, it's still that, you know,
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 3: they have to find a way to be able to
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 3: get that out of their system. So child pornography, and
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 3: then it starts getting even fucking weirder whenever they say, well,
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 3: now we can really make it, you know, very victimless
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 3: for all these fucking pedophiles. Whenever we can just make
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 3: AI porn for them, nobody's getting hurt. It's it's right,
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with it now, right, And it's like, no,
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 3: just no, we're not doing that. Like I'm not going
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 3: to say, you know, imagine somebody just you know, going
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 3: up to you and be like, oh, yeah, you know,
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 3: I'm actually a map, but I do it. You know,
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 3: the the the the.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 5: Safe virtual map is that what that's gonna be the
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 5: new term for watching AI child porn. You're not really
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 5: watched out porn.
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 4: It's just it makes me sick you guys.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 2: Map curious.
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 3: Dude. Yeah, that's where it's gonna go. And it's only
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 3: becoming more and more and more accepted the.
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 2: Farther we move on.
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 3: And honestly, this, in my opinion, was their plan all along.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 6: It was.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 3: It was absolutely their their plan all along that they
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 3: wanted this to become a regular thing. That's why they
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 3: make shows like That's why they make shows like Cuties.
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 3: That's why they make shows like you know, what was
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 3: that dance.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 5: Show, dude? That was Cuties. That was the cheerleading show,
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 5: the dance show. I forget, but I remember that on
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 5: Netflix and people were losing their minds.
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 3: Go dance moms, That's what I was thinking of.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 5: Oh dance moms. Now this was just a fat chick
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 5: like being mean to kids. That's a whole separate bitch.
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 5: But anyway, hold on, hold on. This goes back so
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 5: much further though. Brooke Shields at nine years old was
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 5: full nude in a Playboy magazine, Sugar and Spice edition.
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 5: And yes, that whole magazine was children. It was little girls,
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 5: their Sugar and Spice edition, Playboy magazine. Mean, nine years old.
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 4: They've always wanted it to become normalized, just like all
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 4: the other shit that they do that they want to
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 4: become normalized. So like it's like, why are you upset? Like,
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 4: you know, we just do this stuff. It's part of
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 4: our religion. You should respect that. You know, we do
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 4: these things. And like I'm attracted to minors and it's
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 4: none of your business. You know, it's normal now, No,
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 4: it's not fucking normal now. Well, people need to cry
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 4: out to Jesus if they're attracted to children. And it's
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 4: not something that people want to bring up, but you
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 4: need to cry out to Jesus. And if I can
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 4: get right with God because you've let demons in, Okay,
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 4: that's why.
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 5: It's okay to acknowledge that you have something wrong with
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 5: you and you're seeking wisdom and seeking to right that
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 5: wrong before something bad happens. That's okay to acknowledge that
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 5: just throwing out you won't actually have to go through
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 5: with anything.
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 4: Right, if there was someone out there that was like,
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 4: you know what, I've never acted on it, but I
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 4: am a try. I do watch child pornography and that
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 4: that is like that, in that my deepest, darkest corner
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 4: of my heart, I am attracted to children. You just
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 4: need to fucking seek some help. It's not something that
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 4: should be normalized. The thing that should be normalized is
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 4: trying to fucking get these people in like some spiritual
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 4: programs get theirselves right, not like, oh, okay, let's create
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 4: platforms to where you can express it.
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 2: Right, So they're not helping.
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 3: There's an article I just found. It's on the Americanconservative
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 3: dot com, but it talks about normalizing pedophiles, and there
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 3: was an old dominion professor. I believe we've talked about
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 3: this in the past, but there's an old dominion professor
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 3: says that we should make it easier for minor attracted
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 3: persons to come out of the closet.
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 2: So he's retarded.
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he goes, So he just goes into two camps.
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 5: If you're a MAPS, you deserve a bullet and if
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 5: you defend MAPS, then you actually have mental retardation and
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 5: you shouldn't be allowed to vote, shouldn't be allowed to
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 5: own a weapon.
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, continue.
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It says, challenging widespread assumptions that persons who are
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 3: preferentially attracted to minors, often referred to as pedophiles, are
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 3: necessarily also predators and sex offenders. This book takes readers
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 3: into the lives of the lives of non offending minor
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 3: attracted persons. There's a little research into non offending maps
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 3: a group a group whose experiences offer valuable insights into
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 3: the prevention of child abuse, navigating guilt, shame, and fear.
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 3: This universally maligned group demonstrates remarkable resilience and commitment to
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 3: living without offending and to supporting and educating others. Using
• 2:47:42
  Speaker 3: data from interview based research, a long whatever, Dark Shadow
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 3: offers a crucial account of the lived experiences of this
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 3: hidden population.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 2: I stand by my previous statement.
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 5: If you are a map, you deserve a bullet and
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 5: if you are defending maps, you shouldn't be.
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 2: Allowed to.
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean if you're not, if you haven't offended.
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 5: But you're just saying it's just like their preference. Man, Okay,
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 5: so you just don't need to be allowed to vote,
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 5: drive a vehicle. Uh, you probably need to be like
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 5: restrained and put in a padded room.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's just like.
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 4: If anybody came up to me and was like, I'm
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 4: a MAP, I would be like, first boom, fuck you.
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't say a problem with that.
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 2: They're not a person.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 4: They're not like people, I swear, and they if they
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 4: are people somewhere deep and down inside of themselves that
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 4: are seeking like redemption, they need to, like I said,
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 4: cry out to Jesus, because they've let a demon possess them.
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 4: Demons want children, Demons want children, regular people, grown ass adults.
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 4: They're attracted to regular ass, grown ass women. Okay, agreed,
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 4: gay whatever, as long as they're an adult. Fuck, I
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 4: don't care if you are an adult, you're attracted to
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 4: other adults, Okay, even if you're like an older guy
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 4: who likes twenty year old women, at least they're twenty
• 2:49:07
  Speaker 4: years old. Okay, I'm talking about pedophiles. Okay, yeah, you
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 4: fucking have let demons in, all right, Demons brave children,
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 4: not adult men.
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 3: You want to speak on demons, Let me read you this, bro.
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 3: This is fucked all right, you know what. I'm actually
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 3: going to share the screen so y'all can see it too,
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 3: because it is out there, dude, So let me get
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 3: down to admire this from This is from that same
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 3: article from the American Conservative, but it gets into there's
• 2:49:37
  Speaker 3: this person. Where was the name uh shit, I lost it.
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 3: But anyway, there's this person, uh Noah Berlatsky who is
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 3: a transgender and this person is a it says Berlatsky
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 3: is a weird, middle aged dude, a former contributor to
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 3: NBC Online, The Atlantic and other sites who is familiar
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 3: from uh from Internet controversies. Among other things, he has
• 2:50:05
  Speaker 3: written about how parents are an oppressor, an oppressor class,
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 3: and how the biggest threat to child sex workers are
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 3: the police. Here here from that's correct, Yeah, yeah, but
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 3: we're oppressors now. But it says here from the website
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 3: is one of Berlatsky's uh Protasia co workers. So this
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 3: person made a daycare. Okay, this person made a fucking
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 3: daycare called Protasia, right.
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 2: And this is all right, continue making.
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 5: Sure, yes Berlaski saying that the thing that's holding back
• 2:50:41
  Speaker 5: child sex workers is the fucking police.
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 2: That person opened a daycare.
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. So this Berlatsky changed his name because it's
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 3: Trands now to Megan Ingerman.
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 2: And you can.
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 3: Clearly see that is a dude the fuck up. And
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 3: and this person is the program director of a childcare
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 3: and child development specialist and kink educator in daycare.
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 4: Burn it down, burn it to the ground.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 3: Here we go, let's read a little bit more. It
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  Speaker 3: says Megan Ingerman is a childcare and child development specialist
• 2:51:19
  Speaker 3: with over ten years as a provider, tutor, and consultant.
• 2:51:23
  Speaker 3: She was engaged in multiple forms of sex work and
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 3: has the ties to the organized kink community. Within the
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 3: kink community, she has been an event organizer, a presenter,
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 3: and volunteer. She is presented on subjects such as safety
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 3: in kink, kink slash BDSM for beginners, and has helped
• 2:51:44
  Speaker 3: to facilitate discussions about consent and consent violations.
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 5: Real quick, if a former porn star, like legal porn
• 2:51:52
  Speaker 5: star can't go work around children or anywhere near children
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 5: ever again, by law, how is this allowed?
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you, is this shit real? Is this
• 2:52:04
  Speaker 4: really real? As a parent, you would read her bio
• 2:52:07
  Speaker 4: and say, I want to take my kid here?
• 2:52:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I.
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's absolutely real, dude. I mean, look at
• 2:52:15
  Speaker 3: some of the and I'm not hating on it, but
• 2:52:17
  Speaker 3: look at some of the gay pride parades. Okay, there's
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 3: some fucking weird shit, and parents bring their kids to that.
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 2: I know it's the stuff, so so some.
• 2:52:26
  Speaker 4: Of these gay pride parents taking their kids to this shit.
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 4: It would look at her bio and be like, you
• 2:52:32
  Speaker 4: know what, it might not be bad to get paysin
• 2:52:35
  Speaker 4: into the fucking kink scene.
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 3: We should be inclusive.
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 4: We should be inclusive. So Bentley, Banjo and Wingspan can
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 4: all get a proper education on I.
• 2:52:47
  Speaker 5: Want to stifle their sexual development. Okay, you know how
• 2:52:51
  Speaker 5: important that is to a young child.
• 2:52:53
  Speaker 3: We don't want to be the oppressors.
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you something for real, Like you guys
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 4: your dudes, and I'm a chick, so obviously might be different.
• 2:53:00
  Speaker 4: But I was boy crazy, like my mom said, I
• 2:53:03
  Speaker 4: had a real problem. But and even like in kindergarten,
• 2:53:06
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I have a crush
• 2:53:08
  Speaker 4: on that boy or whatever. And like I had crushes
• 2:53:11
  Speaker 4: and knew about boys. And then like when I was
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 4: like in middle school, in ninth grade, tenth grade, I
• 2:53:17
  Speaker 4: started wanting to like kiss boys and like do whatever.
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 4: But we're talking about sex, which is completely different than
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 4: like romance. As a woman, I wanted to have like
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 4: a boyfriend and hold hands and kiss and like go
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 4: to the movies. Sex is completely different. Okay, we're talking
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 4: about children having sex when their freaking little organs haven't
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 4: even developed yet.
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 3: Bro, I'm gonna be real with you, testing I didn't
• 2:53:43
  Speaker 3: even know what a vagina looked like until I was
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 3: in like eighth grade. Like I might have been a.
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 4: Little thought girls were cute, right, Oh.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, I mean I was.
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 4: I actually got kicked out friends here.
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 3: I got kicked out of my kindergarten class because me
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 3: and this girl, this little redhead girl named Sarah. I
• 2:53:57
  Speaker 3: still remember it. But we were like kissing in the
• 2:53:59
  Speaker 3: middle of class.
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, likel like in event stuff, you know what I mean.
• 2:54:07
  Speaker 4: Like you're innocent, You're you don't even know what a
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 4: penis looks like, you don't even know what boobs look like,
• 2:54:11
  Speaker 4: but you're like, oh, I have a crush on this girl,
• 2:54:14
  Speaker 4: and you as time progresses, learn about your sexuality through
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 4: becoming an adult. It's like a ride of passage. Like
• 2:54:21
  Speaker 4: as you become an adult, you learn those things about yourself,
• 2:54:24
  Speaker 4: and you learn those things about what it's what it
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 4: is to be in a sexual relationship with somebody. We've
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 4: sucked all the innocent out of kids, and it's like,
• 2:54:33
  Speaker 4: now that you're old enough to peace standing up, you
• 2:54:36
  Speaker 4: should be sticking your little peeper into something.
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude. I mean I remember being in middle school
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 3: and there was this girl, like she was one of
• 2:54:44
  Speaker 3: the first girls to develop and have boobs, right, and
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 3: I remember thinking, oh, boobs. You know, at sixth grade,
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 3: I thought that was such a huge deal, you know
• 2:54:52
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And.
• 2:54:53
  Speaker 5: Like if it was man, oh.
• 2:54:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah. But what I'm saying is like I
• 2:54:58
  Speaker 3: was never thinking about anything sexual.
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 2:55:01
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even know what to do in sixth grade.
• 2:55:03
  Speaker 4: If she would have took her bra off, you would
• 2:55:05
  Speaker 4: have forged. You would have ran and been like, oh
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 4: my god.
• 2:55:08
  Speaker 5: Oh everybody would have been blushing. Like nobody had been
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 5: like I know it.
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 4: Like no, no, you're not gonna run up and start
• 2:55:14
  Speaker 4: honking on them, Like that's just like you no, like that.
• 2:55:19
  Speaker 5: I've always been into girls, but like in elementary school,
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 5: the reason why I was into girls was way different
• 2:55:23
  Speaker 5: than when I was in high school, right that the
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 5: different intent, different things and attributes that I found attractive
• 2:55:30
  Speaker 5: or liked or whatever the case. You're right, there was
• 2:55:33
  Speaker 5: a line of innocence there. But see, and it's gone
• 2:55:36
  Speaker 5: back even worse. I remember in school we had one
• 2:55:40
  Speaker 5: girl nobody had sex in middle school. Like when I
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 5: was in middle school, there was we did not. There
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 5: was one couple that had been together for like a
• 2:55:47
  Speaker 5: whole year, and in middle school you're practically married at
• 2:55:49
  Speaker 5: that point, right, And and they had fooled around a
• 2:55:54
  Speaker 5: little bit, talking straight up outer coursal over the jeans
• 2:55:58
  Speaker 5: type stuff, and everybody was like, ooh, no gas or
• 2:56:03
  Speaker 5: you fucking clutch your pearls on that shit, right, yes,
• 2:56:06
  Speaker 5: but three years behind me, my little brother coming up
• 2:56:09
  Speaker 5: in school, No, they were just finger blasting each other
• 2:56:12
  Speaker 5: non stop.
• 2:56:12
  Speaker 4: Just get that idull over the place, like obviously this
• 2:56:17
  Speaker 4: is by design, and it's crept so sneakily into culture
• 2:56:22
  Speaker 4: to where like I was getting my hair done and
• 2:56:25
  Speaker 4: I was like just getting it trim or whatever. And
• 2:56:28
  Speaker 4: my hair girl was like, hey, how old were you
• 2:56:33
  Speaker 4: when you started thinking about like actually having sex with dudes?
• 2:56:36
  Speaker 4: And I was like in high school for sure, Like
• 2:56:39
  Speaker 4: I remember my sophomore year I had hot draws, like
• 2:56:42
  Speaker 4: I was thinking about it. And she was like, well,
• 2:56:47
  Speaker 4: you know, I have Riley and she's in seventh grade
• 2:56:51
  Speaker 4: and she's asking me about what anal is, and like
• 2:56:54
  Speaker 4: if I if she wanted to do it, and I'm like,
• 2:56:56
  Speaker 4: I my mind, I would have thrown up in seventh
• 2:56:59
  Speaker 4: grade if you would have said somebody was going to
• 2:57:01
  Speaker 4: stick their penis in my ass like straight, I would
• 2:57:04
  Speaker 4: have thrown up. I would have screamed. I would have
• 2:57:06
  Speaker 4: thought that was like torture. I would have been repulsed.
• 2:57:11
  Speaker 4: And we have seventh graders asking their parents about it
• 2:57:14
  Speaker 4: because obviously their friends are talking about it because they've
• 2:57:16
  Speaker 4: done it or seen it or something.
• 2:57:19
  Speaker 5: Somebody's telling them that nobody's born knowing that or knowing
• 2:57:22
  Speaker 5: how to bring it up or ask or like no,
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 5: somebody is telling them about.
• 2:57:26
  Speaker 3: It social media. More likely.
• 2:57:29
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's just like if you're not if you're not
• 2:57:31
  Speaker 4: into it, if you're not doing all those things when
• 2:57:33
  Speaker 4: you haven't even decided like your life, but you, I
• 2:57:39
  Speaker 4: mean you haven't decided even what kind of person you
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 4: are yet, but you've decided you want to try anal.
• 2:57:44
  Speaker 4: It's in the seventh grade. Like there there's these critical
• 2:57:48
  Speaker 4: steps in life that we're just breezing by. Nobody cares
• 2:57:51
  Speaker 4: about like, uh, careers, nobody cares about family, nobody cares
• 2:57:56
  Speaker 4: about marriage, nobody cares about like friends.
• 2:57:59
  Speaker 3: No, you're orientation first, exactly things.
• 2:58:02
  Speaker 4: That you should be doing. It's just straight to.
• 2:58:05
  Speaker 5: Anal and it's it's across the board. Look, I remember
• 2:58:08
  Speaker 5: a time. Look look, okay, okay, I'm not gonna uh
• 2:58:11
  Speaker 5: card y'all.
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 2: On y'all's hood raticity at this time.
• 2:58:14
  Speaker 5: But real quick, I know that both of you in
• 2:58:17
  Speaker 5: high school may have been known to go to an
• 2:58:19
  Speaker 5: occasional party or two. Okay, I'm gonna leave it at that.
• 2:58:22
  Speaker 5: We don't need to go. Oh you know, we was
• 2:58:24
  Speaker 5: doing wild shit. Let's let's keep it a little grated here.
• 2:58:27
  Speaker 5: But I remember in high school, pulling up to the
• 2:58:30
  Speaker 5: party if you had like a bottle of Mad Dog
• 2:58:32
  Speaker 5: or a single for Loco, like it was going down
• 2:58:35
  Speaker 5: right for Loco.
• 2:58:36
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 2:58:38
  Speaker 5: Kids are not pulling up to the party with that anymore.
• 2:58:40
  Speaker 5: They're pulling up with a bottle of Henney. Yo, what
• 2:58:42
  Speaker 5: fucking seventeen year old knows how to sip henny? That
• 2:58:46
  Speaker 5: they missed the whole hood rat stage. And that's my point.
• 2:58:50
  Speaker 5: They are like jumping into adulthood. All of those awkward
• 2:58:53
  Speaker 5: figuring things out that we used to experience that was adolescents,
• 2:58:57
  Speaker 5: that was coming of age, That has been just completely
• 2:59:00
  Speaker 5: the whole six seven year gap where that's supposed to
• 2:59:02
  Speaker 5: be going down cut back pretty much.
• 2:59:05
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like cut out of the equation, like
• 2:59:07
  Speaker 4: when you go back and you watch movies from our childhood.
• 2:59:10
  Speaker 4: For me, there was a movie called Now and Then,
• 2:59:12
  Speaker 4: and there was a movie There's like the Sandlot and
• 2:59:15
  Speaker 4: the Goose and like all these movies about kids just
• 2:59:18
  Speaker 4: being kids and doing kids shit. I lived that. I
• 2:59:21
  Speaker 4: did all the kids shit. Like I remember the first
• 2:59:23
  Speaker 4: time a boy like touched my leg above my jeans
• 2:59:26
  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, Like I remember
• 2:59:29
  Speaker 4: all of that shit. But now if you watch media
• 2:59:33
  Speaker 4: and TikTok and like what's advertised to kids that are
• 2:59:36
  Speaker 4: growing up, it's like you don't need that anymore. Just
• 2:59:39
  Speaker 4: skip that middle phase and just jump right into like
• 2:59:42
  Speaker 4: spreading you pussy like that in the music too, is
• 2:59:46
  Speaker 4: just like wet ass pussy this and that that. Fucking
• 2:59:50
  Speaker 4: doja cat be the devil do all this stuff And
• 2:59:53
  Speaker 4: you're sitting here like, wow, did this happen? Well, we've
• 2:59:56
  Speaker 4: kind of let it happen, and now kids think they're
• 2:59:59
  Speaker 4: fucking thirteen acting like they're thirty or some shit doing stuff.
• 3:00:03
  Speaker 4: I still I'm like Oh my fucking god. You know,
• 3:00:06
  Speaker 4: I would never do that, and it's happened slowly, and
• 3:00:10
  Speaker 4: it's by design. It's corruption of the innocence, which is
• 3:00:14
  Speaker 4: what fucking everything that they're after, corrupting innocence.
• 3:00:19
  Speaker 3: That's it, dude. I mean, even think about just the Sandlot.
• 3:00:21
  Speaker 3: You brought that up, Like, remember how big of a deal,
• 3:00:24
  Speaker 3: Like how crazy it was that all those little kids
• 3:00:26
  Speaker 3: put a dip in their lip, Like, oh my god,
• 3:00:29
  Speaker 3: they all had a dip. I can't believe that, right, Yeah.
• 3:00:33
  Speaker 5: I loved it though. I love the Sandlot. That is
• 3:00:35
  Speaker 5: literally the reason why I currently have an English mastiff
• 3:00:38
  Speaker 5: is because of the Beast. That's that was such a
• 3:00:41
  Speaker 5: key part of my childhood of literally my coming of
• 3:00:45
  Speaker 5: age from two to about ten years old. Favorite movie
• 3:00:48
  Speaker 5: of all time.
• 3:00:48
  Speaker 3: So this day solid.
• 3:00:50
  Speaker 2: But you're right, like that was us.
• 3:00:53
  Speaker 5: We used to go to the streets and I don't
• 3:00:55
  Speaker 5: mean the mean streets the hood to get I mean
• 3:00:57
  Speaker 5: like the neighborhood streets. We were playing, we were outside
• 3:01:00
  Speaker 5: doing shit. Yeah, a couple of people had some video
• 3:01:02
  Speaker 5: game consoles, but like that wasn't what we were doing
• 3:01:05
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent of the time. But also the culture
• 3:01:08
  Speaker 5: was different. The mindset was different, what we wanted to
• 3:01:11
  Speaker 5: be when we grew up was different. This is not
• 3:01:13
  Speaker 5: just a different generation, ladies and gentlemen, This is a
• 3:01:17
  Speaker 5: different world that we are currently living in and we
• 3:01:21
  Speaker 5: have to parent our children and live our lives accordingly.
• 3:01:26
  Speaker 3: Julia, let the Cult members know where they can find
• 3:01:29
  Speaker 3: you if they don't know already you.
• 3:01:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have Cosmic Peach podcasts, I have an Instagram.
• 3:01:35
  Speaker 4: You can look for me Cosmic Peach podcast and just
• 3:01:39
  Speaker 4: wherever you listen to on Spotify, Apple wherever. I do
• 3:01:43
  Speaker 4: have a Patreon kind of like the Cult does, where
• 3:01:46
  Speaker 4: I put exclusive content and full length episodes and bonus
• 3:01:50
  Speaker 4: material over there. And if you were ever going to
• 3:01:53
  Speaker 4: sign up for the Patreon, now is the time to
• 3:01:55
  Speaker 4: do it. Because my job just on Thursday was like, oh,
• 3:02:00
  Speaker 4: by the way, we're changing our pay calendar and you're
• 3:02:03
  Speaker 4: not getting paid for the next three weeks bye. And
• 3:02:06
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, well, thank god I have
• 3:02:09
  Speaker 4: you know, I do see podcasting as like my job,
• 3:02:13
  Speaker 4: and I put a lot of work and a lot
• 3:02:15
  Speaker 4: of effort into it, and I want to make this
• 3:02:17
  Speaker 4: like the only thing that I do. So if you
• 3:02:20
  Speaker 4: want to support me. Patreon is the way to do it,
• 3:02:23
  Speaker 4: just as a thank you for like me, giving extra
• 3:02:28
  Speaker 4: content over there that the free feed does not get.
• 3:02:31
  Speaker 4: But anyways, yes, thank you so much for having me.
• 3:02:34
  Speaker 4: It's been a blast. I hope people learned a lot
• 3:02:36
  Speaker 4: of shit.
• 3:02:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean I definitely learned a lot today.
• 3:02:40
  Speaker 3: So thank you so much for shedding some light on
• 3:02:42
  Speaker 3: this whole situation, all of the wild things that absolutely
• 3:02:46
  Speaker 3: don't make any sense. And now nobody went to jail.
• 3:02:48
  Speaker 5: What the hell is?
• 3:02:49
  Speaker 3: What the hell is this world going to? And I
• 3:02:51
  Speaker 3: think that it's only going to be ramping up the
• 3:02:53
  Speaker 3: more we go on. So these are key little pointers,
• 3:02:56
  Speaker 3: little tips about what you may be able to look for,
• 3:03:00
  Speaker 3: whether it be in newsdrops or somebody you know hearing
• 3:03:02
  Speaker 3: stories about you know, your kids or whatever. Right like,
• 3:03:06
  Speaker 3: these are the things that this is their blueprint, this
• 3:03:09
  Speaker 3: is their outline, this is how they get away with
• 3:03:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of shit. And that's what we like to
• 3:03:12
  Speaker 3: do over here is open up third eyes to literally
• 3:03:15
  Speaker 3: everything to try and keep you your family safe and
• 3:03:18
  Speaker 3: all the good things. So thank you so much, Julia.
• 3:03:20
  Speaker 3: You are awesome and we will definitely do it again soon.
• 3:03:23
  Speaker 3: But Jacob do We need some fucking knife fans op
• 3:03:26
  Speaker 3: in here.
• 3:03:26
  Speaker 5: And we do. We do, indeed, sir, if you haven't
• 3:03:29
  Speaker 5: already at this time, please, dear cult members, hit the
• 3:03:32
  Speaker 5: five stars, hit the share the like, subscribe the comments,
• 3:03:35
  Speaker 5: leave reviews, share us with your friends and family, post
• 3:03:37
  Speaker 5: us all all your socials. Help us grow this thing.
• 3:03:39
  Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, do the same for COSM peach wire.
• 3:03:41
  Speaker 2: There do it.
• 3:03:42
  Speaker 5: You got your thumbs, You're free. I know you've got
• 3:03:44
  Speaker 5: to spare a second. Here's the deal. The more activity
• 3:03:46
  Speaker 5: that all of the algorithms see across all platforms, social
• 3:03:49
  Speaker 5: medias and the listening platforms and wherever else, the more
• 3:03:52
  Speaker 5: activity it sees across the board, the more we get
• 3:03:55
  Speaker 5: promoted to more potential cult members excuse me, potential listeners
• 3:03:58
  Speaker 5: who could then become potential cult menmers like the rest
• 3:04:00
  Speaker 5: of you. Finallyies and gentlemen, we thank you for everybody
• 3:04:02
  Speaker 5: who's already gone and done so.
• 3:04:04
  Speaker 3: And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode
• 3:04:08
  Speaker 3: of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, and there's
• 3:04:12
  Speaker 3: one very important action, the vital piece of information we
• 3:04:14
  Speaker 3: needed to learn just as soon as humanly possible