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#197: Lisa Wilson-MF Athletics · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  and you know what, I'm gonna keep showing up every week, so
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  Journey here in this great profession.
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  We've got well we're going to find out she might coach, I
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  don't know. We're going to find out but
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  we've got someone special here in the track and field world
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  that I'm super excited to bring to you.
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  Help me. Welcome sales were up, throws
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  specialist. We're gonna, I have a feeling
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  we're going to talk a lot. What about throws today from MF
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  athletic. Somebody welcome the wise, the
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  wonderful Miss? Lisa Wilson, Lisa, how are you
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  today? Wonderful.
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  How are you? You know, a lot of people ask me
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  that question online here, you know, when we're recording and I
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  tell them like I'm getting paid right now.
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  So I am doing awesome. Like this is my job, I get to
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  talk to awesome people in track and field around the really
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  around the world and get paid. So I am doing really, really
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  good. Rescue.
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  Well, my line that's what I usually say.
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  Yeah, I'm going to take all the lines today, absolutely.
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  Well, Lisa thanks for being here today.
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  You know, typically here on the show, this is episode number
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  197. So we've had 196 other past
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  guests and probably out of those 196. 197 BBC 190 have been track
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  and field coach has from as far away as Australia to you know
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  we're in Champaign to a literally as close to Champagne.
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  I had University of Illinois, pictures kyprianou here on as
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  well. So we've had the gamut throws
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  coaches distance, coaches division, one high school all
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  around, but we're going to find out already introduced you to,
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  you're not a coach, you actually work for someone that a lot of
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  people have already kind of like, oh, yeah, well I know
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  these guys in Mathletics so I'm super fascinated to find out,
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  you know, just kind of what you do, how you do it, why you do it
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  as you work there as a sales rep for in Mathletics today.
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  Yeah, awesome. So I got really lucky.
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  I've started working for em. F, athletic about.
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  Oh my gosh, four and a half years ago, I was actually
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  coaching at the time and my buddy.
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  I was coaching for Trent boult cell whose now that your I had
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  coach. This was out of sumption.
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  He actually, I was just helping out part time.
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  I was in between a bunch of jobs and he pretty much said, hey
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  he's good friends with Mark Solomon.
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  My boss, they were looking to hire and he's like get your act
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  together. Get a job and I interviewed and
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  it's the absolute perfect job for me because I'm just obsessed
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  with track and field competing coaching talking about.
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  It. Just being involved in the
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  world. I love it and this job gives me
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  the opportunity. Yes, I sell equipment.
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  I have to do all that day to day, but I got to go to track
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  meet, I get to go to clinics. I can present at some places, I
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  get to just talk to coaches or athletes or other vendors and
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  it's just an awesome. Perfect experience for me and a
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  perfect fit. So I sell all sorts of equipment
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  throws as my specialty but I sell absolutely everything.
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  I get to help people problem solve to figure out what they
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  need. Even if it's a high jump, it
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  versus throws equipment. I get to do all that kind of
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  stuff and just the opportunity to talk about track with the
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  coaches. It's awesome.
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  Yeah, you already said I think we're going to make some people
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  jealous because I know you and I are going to geek out about our
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  Fashions that we have in. It is a pretty good gig here,
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  guys, the gals. I mean it's I certainly wouldn't
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  go back and you all know from my social media and the podcast how
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  much I adore and love the coaching profession and the
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  people that choose it and I still wouldn't I wouldn't trade
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  it. I love you guys and gals but I'm
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  not trying to, she might we'll find out and let's let's get in
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  our way back machine here. Lisa, you talked about as you
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  were talking about getting into MF Athletics and shout out to
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  Mark strata when your boss great guy there at MF know, the M
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  doesn't stand for Mark. I know he wants that sometimes
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  but that's a myth. We're going to just abolish that
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  myth right there, but you talked about being an athlete and being
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  a coach. So let's jump back here and
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  learn more about you and your journey to today, here at MF
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  Athletics, we're does Athletics. What is track and field start
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  for you? How did you get involved in
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  this? Crazy sport?
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  Oh boy. Okay, I'll summarize because
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  it's way back when. So I didn't start track until I
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  was a freshman in high school. I was actually a football and
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  basketball. Ballplayer.
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  And when I was a freshman, I had all the spring Sports asking,
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  you know, trying to get me to do their sport because I was like,
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  I was the athletic kid and, you know, tennis softball that kind
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  of stuff. And I remember the truck coach
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  came up to me and said, like, hey, we'll work around your
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  basketball schedule because I was doing Club ball, and you can
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  do whatever you want. Just show up and throw some
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  things wrong sometimes. And in my mind, I was like, oh,
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  super Tomboy. Don't have to wear a skirt.
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  The sport sounds awesome. So I end up getting to track as
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  a freshman in high school and did it for my four years had a
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  lot of success. Basketball was actually still my
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  main sport, but when my parents asked me to get a scholarship
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  for college, I had more potential tracks.
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  So I kind of Switched gears started looking at schools for
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  track and once I got to school for, I mean, I just fell in love
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  from College on. Yeah, that's how I got started
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  in this sport. Now, you said something that I'm
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  sure everybody listening right now is like, oh, he's gonna have
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  to ask her about this. You said, you know, basketball
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  tennis. I love all that.
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  That's great. You said, football and I'm
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  curious. Did you mean football in the
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  European way, soccer, or did you mean American football?
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  Like like, I love the watch on College Saturday.
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  Tell you about this. So I actually started playing
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  football. Is my first born in third grade
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  and I played all the way through junior year.
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  High School, football, football helmet, tackle pads, right?
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  Hold on. I have never because I'm not to
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  be pleased, you know me, well enough, Lisa audience, I'm not
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  being sexist here. You have to admit every girl or
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  woman who plays football gets an article about them because it is
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  also rare. I have not first, I didn't know
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  this about you second of all I've never met a female who
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  played football. Tell me more about that we're
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  done with tracking. Oh, we're just going to learn
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  about Tell me more about this. So I started when I was really
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  little, because my dad was obsessed with football.
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  We have Patriots season tickets, all my life, and as funny as it
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  sounds when I was in third grade, my older brother, he was
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  playing football and decided not to and I saw how sad my dad was
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  and I decided I wanted to play. So that's how I got started.
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  I know it's adorable. Little eight-year-old is but I
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  played so I got to grow up with the same group of kids.
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  So for me, football wasn't Something like I jumped into, I
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  was with same kids saying coaches, I grew up with them so
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  it was just normal to me. It wasn't like something that I
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  was like, oh girls don't play football.
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  I just played and I, you know, did the whole thing and
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  especially for girls who grow earlier in life, I was always
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  the bigger kid on the team of her third grade all the way
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  until High School. Sure.
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  And when boys hit puberty, I kind of I wasn't anymore and it
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  wasn't that I didn't want. It was just so, Reality of I'm
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  smaller and we're better than me.
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  So it was for an issue of anything like that but anyway,
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  so I played third grade through junior year, I didn't play my
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  senior year but yeah what positions did you mainly play or
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  I'm linebacker? Yeah growing up.
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  I played more like tight ND end and then when I got into high
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  school and all the guys start to grow I played a little more like
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  wide receiver. Yeah tell me did you score a
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  touchdown? In your high school career in
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  high school? No.
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  And Pop. Warner did.
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  Okay, how's it? Well, that's that's enough.
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  A more defensive High School job.
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  I've never played. I've never scored a touchdown.
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  I was gonna be very first of all jealous.
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  You scored as Pop Warner, but I was gonna be really jealous that
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  you scored in high school and I didn't have an offensive
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  lineman. But still, I wanted to try to
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  get one in just a second. That is fascinating, did you?
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  You talked about it being normal?
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  Yeah, but I assumed you were the Only girl on the team.
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  So it wasn't normal. In the sense of you didn't have,
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  like, 10 other female teammates, what was it like when you're
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  hanging around your girlfriend's that with, I mean, was it odd?
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  That Lisa was the footballer or was it just like, oh yeah,
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  here's another sport. She plays, of course, I think so
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  amongst like, our team, I say normal because it was just, I
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  was just part of the team, no one ever mistreated me.
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  If they did, I, when we were younger, like, they're like, all
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  right line up against her and see what happens.
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  So it's like Growing up. I could prove myself and I would
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  say, like, a month's other teams, like other teams would
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  like talk against it. But that, I mean, that's normal.
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  Just was what it was. My teammates, didn't care.
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  So that was comfortable. Probably with my friends.
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  It was just the other sport I played, but it gave me like,
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  kind of like a tough reputation. So, like I was the kid, like,
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  you know, and basketball like fighting for loose balls and all
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  that. And I kind of had that
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  reputation. But again, it's just to me, it
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  was so normal, but What is cool. Is that some of my teammates?
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  They're younger sisters would play a couple of years and Pop
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  Warner and that's like, that's very beautiful to me.
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  He seemed at 100%. That's a that's another proof to
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  me. That representation matters.
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  They saw was like, well, wait a minute.
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  It's always kind of sounds a little weird.
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  When I say this way was like, wait a minute, if Lisa can do
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  it, well then I can too. It's like, well, that's awesome.
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  I love that. And so as you were getting
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  towards Junior and Senior year, There was more potential for
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  track and field, scholarship wise for college, were you and
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  we know your thrower. So spoiler alert, you were
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  throwing, was it only shot put and discus back then because
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  we're going to learn a little bit about another event for you.
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  But I wasn't sure where I actually grew up in maybe, there
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  were any hammer, or Javelin opportunities born and raised
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  Massachusetts. So there was Javelin but I It's
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  the funniest thing to ever walked me through Joplin.
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  I'm horrific. You can laugh.
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  It's wonderful to watch but no, I It shot and discus in high
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  school and then I did Sprints as well, more like 4 by 1 and 100.
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  And if they want to make me upset they put me in the to.
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  But but yeah, so I was primarily Sean disk and so as you were
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  looking at College opportunities, what was the
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  plan? Meaning your, where did you kind
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  of look at? And where did you know going in?
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  What were you thinking? Like a major like oh I'm going
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  to go become an astronaut, I'm going to become a fireman or
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  whatever what was the plan going into?
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  To college because sometimes that changes in college.
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  So going to college, my parents asked me to get a scholarship
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  and stay within a couple hours so I didn't really look many
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  places. I just looked at the local big
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  schools. I wanted to be a restaurant
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  manager that was my dream. I love hospitality and I did
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  study Hospitality management so that's what I was looking for in
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  school. I ended up at UMass Amherst who
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  has a great Management program and Hospitality program.
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  And though, I mean that's as basic as it gets, that's what I
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  was looking for and I wanted I think when I was in high school,
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  we didn't have as much guidance. Then there's so much information
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  out, but at looking at schools so I didn't really know where to
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  look. It's I just looked so it's a D1
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  program. They said they'd give me money.
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  Potentially they have a good football team and I like
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  watching football, my parents are happy.
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  So what year? R would this have been were we
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  at TimeWise? I graduated high school, 0, 6.
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  So 6 to 10, I was in college. Yeah, that's when I started at
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  gil by the way. Oh, that's cute.
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  Yeah, yeah, exactly. My third, my third career was
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  Gil and I started in those 60. Yeah, yeah.
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  Okay. Y'all gonna.
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  All right, so tell me more about restaurant management.
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  That's very specific is family in that or what was the, why
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  that what you said, you kind of liked that Hospitality area.
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  I like food. That was the main reason.
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  Amen, I'm with it but the like the beautiful reason is that
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  whenever I think of food or going to restaurants, I think of
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  how much happiness, it brings people and just the enjoyment in
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  the socializing, you get to do in that situation.
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  And that's something that I always wanted to share.
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  So, yeah, it's fascinating when we interview coaches here
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  because typically, they don't, you know, no one goes into, I
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  should say no one, most people don't go to college.
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  I am going to Be a track coach. I'm going to study exercise Fizz
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  or whatever, they may choose. A lot of people go in there.
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  The path was to go one way and the path changes but almost to a
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  tee, everyone goes into college. Everyone who becomes a coach
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  goes into college with the thought of, I'm going to serve
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  others, like people, go in and go.
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  Oh yeah, I was going to be a teacher like oh well yeah.
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  Okay that makes sense. Right?
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  Or I wanted to become a restaurant manager because I
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  wanted to serve others and Give them Joy through the art of
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  food. It's like so it's fascinating to
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  me how you're in a service profession today.
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  Yeah. It was born in you from the
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  get-go of like, oh yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do.
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  Maybe it's restaurants, but I'm going to serve others, you know.
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  Like I love that connection there.
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  Yeah. So how did College go and did
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  you get a Hospitality restaurant management degree or tell me
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  more about college? Yep.
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  So how can tell him man? Brent, graduated from UMass did
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  track all four years when I'm trying to think what direction
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  to even go with this orange Hammer because that's gonna end
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  up being important. So I did all throwing events.
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  When I was in college, I had multiple coaches.
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  So, I plenty of people talk about, but I just ended up in
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  one of those situations that I had a different coach almost
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  every year, so very tough, but I learned a lot from it.
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  Yeah, I'm trying to think. Think what will then let's talk
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  about that because let's see if you don't know Lisa we're gonna
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  just rip the Band-Aid off the biggest spoiler, heck of a
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  hammer thrower and that's why I was kind of leading like because
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  I know weird Ivan has hammers. I wasn't sure if you'd lived in
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  Rhode Island so I don't know. I don't want to say, Obviously
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  assumably Hammer gets picked up in college and you find out like
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  oh my this is what I was here for track and field.
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  The screw all this football and tennis and shot put stuff.
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  I like The like the hammer here. So tell us about Hammer like you
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  remember the first time you picked it up and started
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  learning turns and all that. Was it something?
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  That was like an automatic like memory or was it like oh no no
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  give me the discus. Not a, not a hammer.
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  Yeah, so first time I ever saw Hammer I was I went to a camp at
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  Brown University when Kochi was still there.
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  So, this is like 09 forever ago and I saw them throwing hammer
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  and I thought it was scary. A thing in the world and I
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  wouldn't go nerrit Z. But then when I got to college,
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  I told him I didn't want to do it.
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  They said too bad, you have to learn so I did and I never liked
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  it so I actually didn't really like Hammer until it was New
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  England's. My senior year and I had a big
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  PR and that was the first time I ever through relatively far.
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  I hated it hated it. I didn't.
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  Yep, I didn't fall in love with it till after college.
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  The hammer is my favorite throwing event when I coached.
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  Yeah. When I coached, I would always,
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  you know, him or throws are always early practice.
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  I'd always go early to watch and it's just, it's such a ballet
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  with explosiveness. It's just amazing.
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  The speed everything you do in that small circle and then that
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  ball just goes so far. It's so cool why what was it
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  about it that you hate, it was it just awkward for you, you
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  know, because it is different than a shot in a discus
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  etcetera. What was it about that?
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  You just didn't like, I think it's because I wasn't Naturally
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  good at it right away and I didn't have anyone around.
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  That was excited about it, so it was just kind of a thing of
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  like, why would I be excited about something?
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  That's just something I have to do.
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  So it was more a circumstance probably of culture to be
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  honest. Discus was always my love and
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  that's what I was always great at and that's what I had success
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  at. So I just no one said to me
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  like, hey, you could be good at this until New England's, my
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  senior year. It was actually Joe Donahue
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  Etta. That Northeastern he came up to
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  me, I choked and shot. I hate to use the word choked.
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  I didn't throw far in shot at that meat, it was disappointing.
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  And he came up to me and I promised, I wouldn't swear.
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  So, I won't say exactly what he said, but he's like, you want to
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  know why you're so bad hammer? And I was like, what are you
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  talking about? Yeah sure.
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  But tell me, thank you. And he's like because you try to
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  throw like a shot putter, you get all intense.
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  You get excited. You're running around jumping up
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  and down too much and that's not what?
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  Amer is, you gotta calm down and I was like, I mean, I got
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  nothing else to do, so I guess I'll try it and that was the
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  first time I threw well so yeah, that reminds me of my friend,
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  I'm sure, you know him as well. Kid boy Johnson, you know, he
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  likes to do his, you know, the Tao of hammer and I remember one
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  of his sayings is the throw the hammer far, you have to not try
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  to throw the hammer far that reminds you just that
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  relaxation. That's so.
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  Do you remember that thrown the first throw that that was, you
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  know, Like PRD. Remember?
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  Like just how different it felt from what you were doing before.
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  Yeah. So I had one.
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  So at our conference meet the weekend before I had one good
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  throw, that was the first time I felt something, but I fouled, I
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  still will protest. I did not foul.
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  I told them, I didn't foul. I don't know why they didn't
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  listen to me, but, and they wouldn't tell me the mark, but
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  they did take the mark because I protested it.
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  I found out later it was I think it was 58 meters, which would
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  have been like humongous Spr yeah saying, what were you
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  throwing on average before that 55 if I was lucky.
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  Oh wow. Yeah, it was not my jam but so
• 20:04
  that was the first time I was like, oh, that's cool but then
• 20:08
  it was like the destruction of well you just fouled out so it
• 20:12
  doesn't matter. So it's kind of like, oh, I
• 20:13
  guess it doesn't hard to beat hard to be up for that.
• 20:16
  Yeah, and then New England's, the yeah, it's just a different
• 20:20
  feeling. The ball just moves and it's its
• 20:22
  glorious. So how did you You continue to
• 20:26
  take that, did it. This was senior year.
• 20:29
  So, I mean, a lot of times we're done.
• 20:31
  I mean, there's there's not many people that get to go on after
• 20:33
  college. Heck, there's not many people
• 20:34
  that go on. After High School, you already
• 20:36
  in rarefied air by being a Collegiate athlete.
• 20:39
  Most people would be like, oh, that's a great career and I may
• 20:41
  not sucks. I learned it, you know, my last
• 20:43
  year wish I could have done that my freshman year, but oh, well
• 20:45
  let's move on and go manage a restaurant or something.
• 20:48
  What did you what did the hammer continue to do for you?
• 20:52
  So I'll try to summarize because it's actually a I have a lot of
• 20:55
  really unique background, but so I did go to Regionals.
• 20:58
  That was one of the I think the second or third year that they
• 21:01
  were doing the 48 to Regionals just had started when I was in
• 21:05
  school. So I did go to Regionals, I
• 21:07
  didn't PR but I threw about the same thing got to finish 16th.
• 21:11
  And at that time, like all the top girls are all these like,
• 21:14
  amazing foreigners to me, and I was just like, well, I get to be
• 21:17
  near them, that's really cool. So that was my last At time with
• 21:21
  a hammer, I didn't really plan to continue throwing.
• 21:25
  I actually, at that time, the sounds crazy, but I signed a
• 21:30
  contract with Chipotle to manage a bunch of locations and the guy
• 21:36
  that hired me got fired, I re-interviewed that guy got
• 21:40
  fired. So then I said screw this, this
• 21:43
  is not what I should be doing and I got a grad, assistant
• 21:46
  coaching job and went out to California.
• 21:49
  Oh, is that right? Yep.
• 21:50
  So I was in California. For five years and when I moved
• 21:54
  out there, I did not have the intention of training.
• 21:56
  It was just, I went there to coach, get my MBA live in Cali.
• 22:02
  Be a Cali girl, which is cool, but while I was out there, I
• 22:08
  still through her fun because I couldn't help myself, is only
• 22:10
  life I knew. And you've probably talked to me
• 22:13
  about that transition after college, or after career, it's
• 22:16
  tough. You don't know what to do.
• 22:17
  So, I went in the weight room and I threw things for fun.
• 22:22
  And at the time my boss Mike Schmidt University of Redlands
• 22:26
  coach, he is the best he still there and he was like hey do you
• 22:31
  want to check out the Olympic Training Center and I was like,
• 22:33
  oh that'd be cool. This sounds like a dream come
• 22:36
  true. So I signed up for that used to
• 22:38
  do like random like Wednesday meets in the summer and stuff
• 22:40
  like that. So I signed up for that and I
• 22:43
  was think about doing Club Nationals and they told me like
• 22:45
  you need a mark so I'll go throw a hammer.
• 22:47
  Like, I end up doing all the events but I was like I'll go
• 22:49
  throw a hammer just the That, let's see what happens.
• 22:53
  And I went and threw and I ended up Jim Driscoll was coach for
• 22:57
  most of my career that he just changed my life.
• 23:00
  He happened to be there coaching some high school athletes and he
• 23:04
  saw me and went up to Mike thinking, he was my coach, not
• 23:07
  knowing he was just my boss and was like, hey she could be
• 23:10
  something, tell her to come, talk to me if she is interested
• 23:13
  in being coached, she has to come to me though that's a big
• 23:16
  thing I learned from Jim. And so I did and that's really
• 23:20
  when my My hammer Journey began and I fell in love with it.
• 23:23
  Wow, I mean you this easily could not have happened the
• 23:28
  season couldn't like yeah. I'm done.
• 23:30
  You know I'm cool to have fun when I'm coaching with the
• 23:32
  athletes, but the competition things over, I gave that a shot.
• 23:35
  It's over. Well, you know, that's so
• 23:37
  fascinating back up real quick. You said something about during
• 23:42
  college about how you kind of had four different coaches
• 23:45
  through. You know, a new coach every
• 23:47
  year. Essentially we actually had an
• 23:48
  accountant who was a guest that talked about that.
• 23:51
  Was really fascinating their response to this question
• 23:54
  because you said, I learned a lot because of that, though, can
• 23:58
  you tell us what kind of things did you learn having someone new
• 24:01
  every year through your college career?
• 24:04
  So, I think the biggest thing I learned is taking ownership of
• 24:07
  what I'm doing and dedication to learning, because I didn't even
• 24:14
  know that coaches had set systems, like, you get to hear
• 24:16
  these amazing experiences of athletes who get to be a coaches
• 24:19
  for years and the coaches Have a system, you're not expected to
• 24:23
  be the best athlete the first year.
• 24:25
  There's plans, there's a four year plan, or whatever, the
• 24:28
  situation is. So I didn't even know that
• 24:30
  existed. So when I kept getting new
• 24:33
  coaches, you know, over the summer, you have to figure out
• 24:35
  what you're doing. Figure out your own lifting if
• 24:38
  you want to go throw like what do you do?
• 24:40
  So, I was kind of forced to learn more and I'm never was an
• 24:44
  expert, but I knew enough to help myself get better and just
• 24:49
  the reliability on yourself. You're the one that has to get
• 24:52
  to practice. You're the one that has to
• 24:54
  understand what you're trying to accomplish, how our practices
• 24:57
  run and where I had guidance over the years.
• 25:01
  I mean, that's having a new coach, all time, really affects
• 25:05
  things because it's not, it's not a reflection of how good of
• 25:08
  a coach they are. But when they know they're about
• 25:10
  to leave, they're not giving you as much and that's it's just
• 25:14
  reality. So I had a lot of time to kind
• 25:18
  of play around and figure things out and Try to write up some
• 25:22
  programming and I learned later on that, I had no idea what I
• 25:26
  was doing but it was enough for me at the time.
• 25:28
  So yeah, you know a lot of people automatically look at
• 25:31
  that as a negative having that many coaches but to you you know
• 25:35
  you said you thought every coach it was the same like everybody's
• 25:38
  kind of Coach them but you obviously learned through those
• 25:40
  years of like oh coach so-and-so did it differently than x?
• 25:45
  And this person did it differently than the next person
• 25:47
  cetera did that? How much did that teach you of
• 25:50
  that there? Different styles, and that you
• 25:52
  can Cobble a little bit from each one of these to create your
• 25:56
  own style. Yeah.
• 25:58
  So I think the difference is that time, I didn't know I
• 26:01
  wanted to coach, so I didn't know what to try to learn from
• 26:04
  people. So a lot of it was as a young
• 26:06
  athlete, who thought she was hot shit, trying to pick up what she
• 26:12
  needed to be, a great athlete. So, it was kind of a different
• 26:15
  mindset of I learned. I did learn.
• 26:17
  There's a lot of coaching Styles but I learned what was good for
• 26:21
  me. Me because I was very focused on
• 26:23
  me at the time, because that's what I had.
• 26:26
  So, it's very interesting to look back now and be like, oh,
• 26:29
  like this is what the coach was doing.
• 26:31
  This is what would then most beneficial for the athlete to do
• 26:35
  and seeing those connections and seeing, well, this style works
• 26:38
  with this person or like this much structure is good for this
• 26:42
  style athlete. So it's more looking back and
• 26:44
  seeing that, I know I'm being very vague but but it gave me a
• 26:49
  lot of opportunity on that when I Lected later in life, when I
• 26:53
  started coaching and thinking what I would have liked as a
• 26:57
  general athlete. So it's just it was tough.
• 27:01
  So you go all the way across the country.
• 27:04
  That's amazing. Not many people have the guts to
• 27:07
  do that. Most Russians say most some
• 27:09
  people don't have the guts to leave their hometowns.
• 27:11
  You go completely across the country.
• 27:13
  You go east coast to West Coast. You go to the University of
• 27:16
  Redlands to do grad, work, and you're working on your MBA
• 27:19
  there. Is the thought.
• 27:21
  Now at this point, like I'm going to be a coach or was it
• 27:23
  still like oh no. This is just an end justify.
• 27:25
  The means that I'm going to get my MBA.
• 27:28
  I did want to become a coach. Okay.
• 27:29
  I figured why take the job? It's just my I'm all-in when I'm
• 27:33
  going to do something like that. So I said, like I love the sport
• 27:36
  coaching seems like a great plan and free school.
• 27:39
  I mean seems like a no-brainer so I went in wanting to coach
• 27:44
  and Mike is an incredible Mentor so I got a really good.
• 27:50
  Situation that he really, I assume he enjoys teaching, maybe
• 27:54
  he doesn't, but that's the impression I got, but he was
• 27:57
  very into, like, we'd sit with the Whiteboard, we do actually
• 28:00
  teaching sessions. I learned like I learned about
• 28:02
  all different training, all different events.
• 28:04
  I even did some cross country and distance stuff, just
• 28:08
  learning, you know, Energy Systems, all that stuff.
• 28:10
  Like he took a bare-bones because I'm not good with
• 28:13
  science and that is very helpful as a coach to be good.
• 28:18
  So it was An awesome opportunity that he gave me with that and we
• 28:23
  got to deal with a lot. And there's usually another GA
• 28:26
  sometimes, there wasn't. So I learned how to run a
• 28:28
  program how to coach? And it was just, it was a lot.
• 28:33
  So let's explore that a little bit because that is that
• 28:36
  seemingly is a little unique. We've had a lot of people who
• 28:38
  have done GA work. And we've had a lot of people in
• 28:40
  here who have gaas, I'm not my memory again after 196 others.
• 28:45
  I'm my memories. Not the greatest, but I don't
• 28:48
  remember much of there being any kind of Formal like education
• 28:51
  of. Hey I'm your head coach, your
• 28:52
  the ga I'm going to help you. Not only on the science part
• 28:56
  where were you might not have where you might be deficient,
• 28:58
  but also on how to run a program leadership culture.
• 29:02
  Etc. That seems different.
• 29:06
  Yeah. And I think Mike was working
• 29:09
  with J's. I don't know how long before me,
• 29:11
  but, I mean, I know the other Jay-Z's worked with, like, I'm
• 29:14
  friends with Allie people that came before me after me.
• 29:18
  And I think he had a That system that he knew.
• 29:21
  Like I need to teach this information for my program to be
• 29:25
  successful and obviously there's a point where it's like figure
• 29:28
  it out. There has to be the point that
• 29:30
  you get your hands dirty and you start to experiment and learn
• 29:33
  what you can do. But there was, we came in the
• 29:37
  summer, we had formal stuff, learning some science
• 29:40
  background, especially because I don't have a distance running
• 29:42
  background. So just learning Energy Systems
• 29:45
  and that kind of stuff like we did, like classroom sessions on
• 29:48
  that pretty much, I think. Give me books to read which I
• 29:51
  have some in here somewhere. And as the season started, I had
• 29:57
  the opportunity for cross country to learn, you know,
• 29:59
  management when they had all the rules about, like, you know,
• 30:03
  you're our rules based on part of the Season, all that kind of
• 30:07
  stuff. Like I got, I just do right in
• 30:10
  and when it's he runs it as a big program, its division, three
• 30:14
  school. But I mean, the level of
• 30:16
  athletes their high-level athletes there.
• 30:18
  It's a big program. He had big expectations.
• 30:22
  So once I got through cross-country and I got to learn
• 30:25
  a lot of stuff. It was like when track came
• 30:27
  around, you better have your stuff together and be ready and
• 30:33
  I did get into coaching very quickly which in a dream
• 30:37
  scenario. I wish I had a chance to watch a
• 30:39
  little more, but I mean, how else do you learn?
• 30:43
  Well, you know, shout out to Mike Schmidt because I mean
• 30:46
  that's a different take on gaas that but I don't think it's not
• 30:52
  normal. I know it's not normal.
• 30:54
  A lot of it is thrown to the Wolves.
• 30:56
  Hey. Okay.
• 30:57
  You're in charge of this group etcetera.
• 30:59
  Very rarely do we get the opportunity to have a ga that is
• 31:03
  part of another like a throws GA.
• 31:05
  Who is working with the throws coach?
• 31:07
  Usually 20 years with rose GA because you're coaching the
• 31:09
  throws so especially the school look Redlands.
• 31:12
  And you know what we did when I was at roid cetera so that's
• 31:15
  just awesome that he took the responsibility very seriously
• 31:19
  and I would Imagine, there's probably some pretty good
• 31:21
  coaching tree from him because of this, that's quite amazing.
• 31:25
  One of the quick ones. Angelo Pacifico at Duke.
• 31:27
  Yeah. Well that's that's a heck of a
• 31:31
  right there that tree could stop and I'd be very impressed
• 31:33
  because he does a fantastic job up there and Duke.
• 31:36
  Yeah, that is so fascinating. So okay, let's merge.
• 31:39
  We're learning coach. Mike is teaching you coaching.
• 31:42
  Not just yeah you're the ga into your MBA classes and show up and
• 31:45
  do your practice is teaching you coaching and at the same time
• 31:48
  you go to choose. Vista, you know the training
• 31:50
  center and you throw and must either either throw well enough
• 31:55
  or look like you should have thrown well enough that Jim
• 32:00
  right if I remember yeah, yeah, just go.
• 32:02
  That's right. Comes up to you.
• 32:03
  Or comes up to coach and says, hey like she could be something
• 32:08
  like. We might need to nurture this
• 32:10
  when that word got back to because he talked to Mike
• 32:12
  Schmidt thinking he was your coach.
• 32:13
  I love that when that word got back to you, how did that feel?
• 32:17
  What did you think of that? It As shocking.
• 32:21
  Because as I said, I hated hamburger, so it was kind of
• 32:24
  like a, that's a weird thing. And then the thought processes
• 32:27
  of like, well, I've never explored it, like, I've no idea
• 32:30
  what I could do and I always I always had the big dream.
• 32:34
  I always wanted to be something great.
• 32:36
  Some someone that people looked up to.
• 32:39
  And obviously, all that wasn't flashing in my mind right at
• 32:42
  that moment, but it's just like an opportunity to be an athlete.
• 32:47
  Sounds pretty cool. So So, I talked to Jim that day
• 32:52
  when we were at the training center introduced myself and we
• 32:56
  kind of talked about things that could happen.
• 32:58
  And I think he was trying to get a gauge if I was actually
• 33:01
  interested. And so I was in Redlands, he
• 33:05
  lived in Newport Beach at the time.
• 33:07
  So it was a little bit of a drive, but this was ne'er.
• 33:12
  I try to remember, it was going into my second years GA and it
• 33:16
  was a two-year program. So I had time to dry.
• 33:19
  Even visit him and we did a few sessions and literally within a
• 33:24
  month I improved by like 20 feet.
• 33:25
  So I was like oh this is pretty cool.
• 33:27
  This is fun. It's always much more fun to be
• 33:32
  good. Yeah that's why nothing's fun
• 33:34
  for me. I'm not good at anything.
• 33:37
  What was that? We don't talk X's and O's on
• 33:40
  this part. There's another there's also
• 33:41
  some amazing podcast and Clinics and stuff for that aspect of it.
• 33:46
  So not talking about any kind of work out or maybe even a Vic
• 33:50
  technique. But what was it about Jim that
• 33:52
  helped bring 20 feet fairly quickly.
• 33:54
  Cuz that's a, that's a stout outstanding, whether you're not
• 33:58
  very good or really good 20 feet is a lot of feet to add it in
• 34:02
  this a rookie year for you. So it's not like, oh, I taught
• 34:04
  her how to turn you had to do things that you already doing
• 34:07
  better to do that. Yeah.
• 34:10
  So I would say kind of big picture wise, Jim has a very
• 34:15
  calming personality and I'm a very big personality and
• 34:20
  Emotional and intense, and just even having someone to just be
• 34:23
  like, hey why, you know XYZ, hmm, you that like just having
• 34:29
  something very precise to do having a set system learning
• 34:33
  Concepts and not, just having someone be like, you gotta go.
• 34:38
  When conferences, what are you doing wrong?
• 34:40
  Like it was, there was no pressure, no pressure.
• 34:44
  Jim really understands the event and he was a high-level hammer
• 34:47
  throw as well. He was training partners with
• 34:49
  Lance. Deal for a number years and Jim
• 34:52
  will, the the sad story. He's always the first person
• 34:54
  that didn't make the team, so, but he was always one of the
• 34:58
  best for like 10 years. So he walked the walk and he
• 35:02
  understood and he just loved the sport and he something that I
• 35:08
  always want to do is he wanted to give back and this was
• 35:10
  something that he we talked about a lot.
• 35:13
  And just I think that feeling of knowing someone generally wants
• 35:17
  you to be great and want you to have a great experience.
• 35:20
  It really affects you, you really feel that and it's not
• 35:23
  only that you wanted you great for them.
• 35:26
  You're happy about it, it makes you feel good.
• 35:29
  And I think Jim, I get emotional, I love Jim to death.
• 35:34
  Um, I really felt that from him and he taught that to me and
• 35:40
  yeah, that's a big picture, you know, first of all, shout out
• 35:44
  Lance deal Gillis latex connections Alum.
• 35:47
  So, if you want to know more about Lance go in the act.
• 35:49
  That you're listening right now, a search for Lance deal in the
• 35:52
  Gill podcast. If you know, ants at all you
• 35:55
  know how much fun we had on that podcast because he is a hoot and
• 35:57
  a half, man, I love that guy to death going back to Jim and
• 36:02
  yours relationship here. You know, it's really striking
• 36:05
  that. A lot of that revolves around
• 36:08
  belief that he believed in you, like, and that you, then could
• 36:11
  start believing in yourself not just like, oh, I'm hammer, throw
• 36:13
  was like, oh, wait a minute. I can throw this type of Mark, I
• 36:17
  could potentially make this kind of team Etc.
• 36:19
  I can make these kind of meets it's quite fascinating.
• 36:25
  The amount of coaches that have a lot of technical knowledge.
• 36:28
  I mean, it's quite amazing. Some of these coaches.
• 36:30
  I mean, they're just, it's boggling how much they know and
• 36:34
  then the coach is that on top of that.
• 36:36
  Had belief in their athletes and their and they know how to
• 36:39
  convey it to their athletes. Those are the one that's when we
• 36:41
  get the long jumper, that says the National Record, the
• 36:45
  sprinters that go on to become professional.
• 36:47
  That's, that's the next level with Athletics.
• 36:50
  What did is, you were coaching yourself at this time?
• 36:53
  So you're kind of maybe inadvertently, maybe you don't
• 36:55
  know, until maybe now looking back.
• 36:57
  You may not have realized this. You were also learning how to
• 37:00
  coach from Jim again. Not necessarily X's and O's,
• 37:02
  although you probably picked up a few things there as well, but
• 37:05
  just like, oh, The way he makes me feel like, were you able to
• 37:08
  internalize that and then externalize, that go, the way he
• 37:10
  makes me feel? Well, then II would like to be
• 37:13
  that for my athletes. Yeah, and I don't think I would
• 37:17
  have connected those things at the time, but I know that
• 37:21
  throwing gave me such joy and purpose.
• 37:25
  And I just, I loved being part of a group that had throwing and
• 37:29
  happiness and just the opportunity to excel at
• 37:33
  something or work at something, even if you don't get that much
• 37:35
  better like Having something to work at having that purpose.
• 37:40
  I hope I conveyed that to my athletes.
• 37:42
  I wanted them to come to practice and want to be there
• 37:46
  and enjoy the process and get better.
• 37:49
  And I think pretty much everyone I worked with at that time, they
• 37:52
  were improving and they seem to really enjoy and want to excel
• 37:56
  through the season. I hope I gave that to them and I
• 38:01
  hope they remember those couple years fondly, I know they had to
• 38:04
  go through the same thing of having a different coach.
• 38:06
  We couple years. So I hope I still hear from some
• 38:11
  of them but some that's a good sign right there.
• 38:15
  Yeah. None of my athletes ever called
• 38:18
  me any more. So I know what that says that's
• 38:21
  not true Jamil. Ashley shout out to Jill Ashley
• 38:24
  runner-up in the 400 in 2005. I think it was literally
• 38:30
  Facebook we were today talking which I love him.
• 38:32
  He's a special education teacher, which I'm like, at his
• 38:35
  old high school, which I was like, oh, Like I love that for
• 38:37
  you. Like that's so sweet.
• 38:38
  That you get to go back and contribute back to the school
• 38:40
  activity. Has I love Jamal?
• 38:41
  Ashley out there and he was pretty pretty fast too.
• 38:46
  So keep is going there. You talk about.
• 38:49
  You get. Do you get you actually get your
• 38:50
  MBA? That's amazing.
• 38:52
  I don't happen to be a, I barely can spill MBA.
• 38:55
  What was it, like? What was the plan after that?
• 38:57
  So your coach, you want to be a coach?
• 38:59
  You are coach. What do you do next?
• 39:02
  Yeah, so it's kind of a funny answer.
• 39:05
  So I got my MBA near the end of my program.
• 39:09
  I had obviously choice of look to apply for jobs.
• 39:13
  I had different schools, reach out because female throws coach
• 39:16
  at the time. It's a rare commodity.
• 39:19
  So I did have some opportunities but as I just had really seen
• 39:24
  what a great athletic career, I had the opportunity for I decide
• 39:28
  to LEAP on that first and My situations, it sounds crazy.
• 39:34
  So Jim volunteer coach at a high school and he also, his wife had
• 39:39
  a very lucrative company that it was an acid alternative
• 39:42
  management company. So he was able to coach and help
• 39:47
  out with the company. He offered for me.
• 39:49
  If I want the same train with him that I could help out, they
• 39:53
  travel a lot, I would house it. I would take over coaching for
• 39:57
  the team and help out at the company.
• 40:01
  Even Cleaning offices, whatever I needed to do, to make enough
• 40:04
  money to survive. So, I had the amazing
• 40:08
  opportunity to just train train and help Jim out with whatever
• 40:13
  jobs were needed. And I decided I should probably
• 40:16
  do this while I can. So I got to live out there for a
• 40:21
  few years and just train full-time and see what was out
• 40:24
  there for my, a lot of career that's a heck of an opportunity.
• 40:28
  You don't get that often. Let me some of our best kids
• 40:31
  coming out of college are working 20, 30, 40 hours, and
• 40:34
  then trying to train. And I know you're working but
• 40:37
  you were working for the your coach.
• 40:38
  So there probably was a lot of leeway there like yeah we're
• 40:41
  good. Let's go to the Google, go to
• 40:43
  bring. So what was that?
• 40:45
  Like I mean hardly any of us ever get the chance to just do
• 40:49
  our athleticism here and you were able to do that for a
• 40:52
  couple of years. So I have two answers on that at
• 40:56
  the time. It was everything I ever wanted.
• 40:58
  It was awesome. The only issue was that I I had
• 41:02
  one friend that moved out to be my training partner but I never
• 41:05
  had someone to watch how they became great.
• 41:09
  So a higher level thrower to really learn from.
• 41:12
  I didn't have that opportunity so I think there's things I
• 41:15
  missed at that time lifestyle choices.
• 41:19
  Even just being I was a pretty. I was a good student of the
• 41:22
  sport. I watch videos and I learned in
• 41:23
  me and Jim did a lot of research, but I don't know if I
• 41:26
  truly took advantage of the life I could have had in regards to
• 41:31
  To my athletic career, it's funny in the moment is perfect.
• 41:35
  When I look back because of how different, my life is now and
• 41:38
  how much better of a throw or how much further I'm throwing
• 41:41
  all say. I actually think people should
• 41:45
  have a part-time job. I think it's good to have an
• 41:47
  escape and your own finances that you can live the life you
• 41:52
  want and trained in a happy comfortable environment and I
• 41:57
  sounds crazy when I say that, I think the old style of Grind it
• 42:02
  all cost to be an elite athlete. I think that's not how it is
• 42:07
  anymore, or how it should be. I think now, with my lifestyle
• 42:14
  now, so I do work full-time throwing, while in my brain, is
• 42:18
  my number one, it really is my number two because I have a
• 42:21
  full-time job, but having the finances to have my own home,
• 42:27
  eat quality food all the time, not stress about traveling to
• 42:31
  me. George Traveling to events my
• 42:34
  career is better because of that.
• 42:36
  And what I mean I don't really want to work as many hours as I
• 42:40
  do ideally, but I think I was young at the time that I was
• 42:45
  living out there that I didn't get to understand that and I
• 42:48
  didn't know I should have asked the questions but you don't know
• 42:51
  you don't know as well so you can be excused for being a 23.
• 42:54
  24 years old, living in California, not dealing with a
• 42:58
  Massachusetts of winters and you throw that's the Yes, it's hard
• 43:02
  to like why should I ask quite the don't ask questions is keep
• 43:04
  it going. Just loved it.
• 43:08
  It was awesome. I'm so fortunate.
• 43:10
  I wouldn't change a thing. It was awesome.
• 43:13
  I just wasn't the best there. I could have been at that time.
• 43:16
  Did you get better? So you don't know how
• 43:20
  complicated my history has been trained from full-time 2012 to
• 43:26
  about 17 and at that time it was just not improving.
• 43:33
  I wasn't happy with my life. I had a really bad breakup so I
• 43:37
  retired tired and then around the time a little before covid.
• 43:43
  You know I had this full time job.
• 43:46
  I have a great boyfriend who super supportive and I'll tell
• 43:50
  you a funny story of him after and I am coaching I coach for
• 43:56
  you. All those years in between
• 43:58
  weather, is that my old high school.
• 43:59
  I went back and coach and the nightclub Jetta sumption with
• 44:02
  Trent that I mentioned earlier and I kind of picked up throwing
• 44:08
  picked up a hammer for fun and it went really far and my
• 44:11
  boyfriend kind of was like, so what you doing well?
• 44:17
  I Was he a throwing boyfriend or like, did he understand it all
• 44:20
  with the hammer was? It sounds so inappropriate.
• 44:22
  He was actually an athlete at Redlands, but we didn't pay that
• 44:26
  that time. It was.
• 44:27
  I'll let you finish that sentence.
• 44:29
  I know where people thought he was a sprinter at Redlands.
• 44:32
  Okay. Eerie met seven and a half years
• 44:35
  later when he coaching at Piedmont and Georgia.
• 44:38
  So he knew about the hammer was it like, you know, someone off
• 44:40
  the streets is like my girlfriend throws the hammer but
• 44:42
  I don't really know what that means.
• 44:44
  Knew what the neighbor was. Yeah.
• 44:48
  And he knew he's like, how far did you just throw a?
• 44:49
  I was like um it's like 63 meters and you know, just
• 44:53
  horsing around, he's like, what's your PR?
• 44:55
  I was like 66, he's like Think about that for a second.
• 45:00
  I was like, don't give me hope. Just shut your body.
• 45:02
  Like, I retired years ago and I've got how old was, I was
• 45:06
  like, when we know I was 31 31, when this happens.
• 45:12
  So most people are definitely done with their athletic
• 45:14
  careers. Yeah, I don't know.
• 45:17
  I was going to say because that's the real joke of track
• 45:20
  and field is you usually don't hit your Prime to your 28 to 32
• 45:24
  because you built up all those years.
• 45:26
  And most of us can't get to 28. Because of jobs and life and no
• 45:31
  financial support in such a. Yeah, that's the real kind of
• 45:33
  just like, I think that's the other track God's humor of just
• 45:36
  like, oh yeah, you're not going to get really good 232, but you
• 45:40
  ain't gonna make it to 32 exactly.
• 45:43
  So, long story short, I picked it up again, we decide for fun
• 45:47
  to do some meats and I threw pretty well.
• 45:51
  And I ended up qualifying for USA's again, with a big PR
• 45:56
  appeared by like four meter. And like so we said, Okay, a few
• 46:02
  years. Are you coaching yourself at
• 46:03
  this point? So when I start getting back
• 46:08
  into it, I coached myself, I got one of my former athletes from
• 46:13
  assumption to come train with me.
• 46:15
  Just so I had someone around and then I had one of my local
• 46:18
  friends. I was like, hey, it's covid and
• 46:21
  you have nothing to do. You want to just hang out at
• 46:23
  practice with me? So he helped me guided me.
• 46:25
  And then after that, first year, I had like my dream season and
• 46:31
  then I asked Derek yes to start working with me because I've
• 46:34
  known him since College and I needed some guidance to get
• 46:37
  better. Yeah, I didn't know.
• 46:39
  I knew you knew Derek, I didn't know that Derek coach, do you?
• 46:42
  I don't think when I was in school.
• 46:46
  Yeah, I know. Derek very well.
• 46:47
  I've known him since he was at URI.
• 46:49
  So yeah. Derek for a while.
• 46:51
  That's awesome. Love him to death.
• 46:54
  Okay, what a great guy man. That's awesome.
• 46:57
  Okay, so where are you? So let's talk about this
• 47:01
  qualifying for USA's because, you know, I'm really fascinated
• 47:05
  by Bye. Like, I don't take for granted.
• 47:08
  We talked about this. I mentioned earlier about the
• 47:10
  number of people that go from just in track and field.
• 47:13
  I'm, those not even dissect down to him or just yet, but I'm not
• 47:16
  number of track and field that that compete in high school,
• 47:19
  which it's the number one sport when you combine boys and girls
• 47:21
  together. So a lot of thinking people do
• 47:23
  track and field in high school and to go to the NCAA, it's
• 47:28
  roughly only 5% going to the NCAA.
• 47:30
  Obviously, that number goes up it when we add NAIA and Juco to
• 47:34
  that, but five, Percent of all this million people a year go on
• 47:39
  to do college. So to me you are already in this
• 47:41
  amazing fraternity sorority here.
• 47:44
  It's a small amount of people and then I don't know the
• 47:47
  numbers but I know it's another big chop off that continue to do
• 47:52
  it after college. I mean, again, small secret
• 47:56
  society here if people that get to do it and do it at any level,
• 48:00
  you're doing it at a level to where you are competing at the
• 48:03
  US championships. Oops, the heart of the hardest
• 48:06
  meets in the world to make what was that, like the first time
• 48:09
  when was that? And what was that?
• 48:11
  Like the first time you showed up, they do the announcements
• 48:13
  and you're looking around. He like oh boy.
• 48:16
  Okay. Alright let's it's go time.
• 48:19
  So my very first USA's was 2014 indoors.
• 48:23
  Okay and that I mean the funny thing I always talk about is I
• 48:28
  remember sitting you have your separate warm-up area and you
• 48:31
  have to learn, you know how to check in get your uniform check
• 48:34
  like it's a whole process. Status.
• 48:35
  And when you're young and I'm no idea.
• 48:37
  You're like, what the hell is good for like and I remember
• 48:40
  being like, well, I don't know what to do for, like the hour
• 48:42
  and a half that were told we have to sit and I didn't know
• 48:45
  you didn't have to like stay in one place.
• 48:47
  Because how are you supposed to know that?
• 48:49
  So I find a spot and I sit and I start watching all it was the
• 48:53
  sprinters. The mail sprinters.
• 48:55
  I think the hunter it was indoor, sorry 60 was about to
• 48:58
  happen. We were about to question your
• 49:00
  track knowledge out there. Forgive me but and I started
• 49:05
  watching them warm up and you know I just finished being a DJ
• 49:08
  and I'm like they do all the drills that Schmidt taught me.
• 49:12
  Like this is cool and I remember like taking a video and sending
• 49:15
  it to him and being like look you trained me in this they do
• 49:18
  it. It's real in the warm-up area.
• 49:21
  You take this video. Yeah.
• 49:23
  Instant it to. I love that.
• 49:24
  You're you're in a pretty high stressful situation, you don't
• 49:27
  know what to do because no one ever get your right.
• 49:29
  There is no rule book. No one ever.
• 49:30
  It's itchy. Nose is a here's how it actually
• 49:31
  goes. You have to learn it by trial in
• 49:33
  your first instinct is to think of someone else and go, hey,
• 49:36
  look, look like it's real. Look, they do the same thing.
• 49:39
  There's a, I don't know who would have been in 14, but like,
• 49:41
  look, these are big-time people, and they're doing what you
• 49:43
  taught, that's so cool that you, I mean, again there's a service
• 49:46
  service mentality like thinking of others during a very
• 49:49
  high-stress moment for yourself. Yeah.
• 49:52
  It was really cool. I mean, it was just, that was
• 49:54
  probably one of the first times I'm like, oh, all level athletes
• 49:58
  have to do the same Basics so that was kind of like a learning
• 50:01
  coach. A moment.
• 50:03
  I mean, for all of them it's but in this case, it was for the
• 50:07
  sprinters and I was like, oh, this is, this is what we teach
• 50:09
  our kids at all levels. So it was a cool thing to see
• 50:13
  the reality of that, that there's some stuff that no
• 50:16
  matter who you are, right? You do it.
• 50:18
  And you got to be good, University of Redlands, are
• 50:20
  University of Tennessee. It don't matter.
• 50:22
  You don't know how to do this drill, or be this flexible, or
• 50:24
  do this in the blog? Yeah, don't matter.
• 50:27
  Yeah, that was really cool. So that was my first indoors.
• 50:31
  I I was just amazed that I didn't know all the big name
• 50:35
  stores yet. I was kind of like, just
• 50:37
  learning the world. So I was just like, she looks
• 50:39
  really good and then I'd look Mom, I'm like, oh that's what's
• 50:43
  her face? Whoa.
• 50:46
  And I'm you know and you know just awkward like little high
• 50:49
  like do I say anything? Because again, you don't know
• 50:51
  how to act with these people and I've been around for so long now
• 50:55
  that I've totally evolved that it's like I see those people and
• 50:58
  I force them to hug me whether they want it or not.
• 51:00
  I'm like I'm one of you. But that year I was not like
• 51:05
  that. I was just amazing.
• 51:07
  A Campbell was my idol at that time.
• 51:09
  You think I'm funny? I like that's that's a that's a
• 51:11
  heck of an idol. I love her.
• 51:13
  No. Because I could secretly because
• 51:14
  I know you have enough that I can see you being the.
• 51:16
  Yeah this is the hugger of the group but I can also see you
• 51:19
  during this like I'm gonna call your freshman year of, you know,
• 51:21
  USA's and yours like, you don't know.
• 51:27
  But I'm Amber. Campbell was like the one
• 51:32
  Person. I really knew what that time so
• 51:35
  it was just so cool. I have a picture and my dream is
• 51:38
  that. I post this picture, I break the
• 51:40
  hammer Masters record. That's my dream but I've a
• 51:43
  picture from that indoor Nationals the first time they
• 51:46
  introduced us and I'm standing like this in a Campbell's right
• 51:49
  there. And I look so terrified and
• 51:51
  Amber's just you know chill boss.
• 51:53
  Like she's the best. I just like it's just this
• 51:56
  perfect picture of like freshman senior so yeah.
• 52:03
  That's my first USA is, how did you get over that?
• 52:05
  Because I mean at the end of the day these superheroes and you're
• 52:09
  one of them for being there, by the way, but the superheroes
• 52:14
  they are superheroes it but at the end of the day you've got to
• 52:17
  compete against them and you've got to try to beat them and
• 52:20
  you've got almost you get to either uplift yourself to
• 52:23
  understand that you all are also super hero or I've got to bring
• 52:26
  them down that oh they're human and guess what.
• 52:28
  So am I that means they're fallible.
• 52:29
  I means I could actually win or beep beep.
• 52:32
  Eat them in this contest, I think it, when I start seeing
• 52:36
  the top throwers more at, I'll say casual meets.
• 52:40
  Not the high-stakes ones getting to be around them more when
• 52:44
  they're warming up and talking to their coaches, seeing them
• 52:48
  stressed or upset about something that went wrong.
• 52:51
  It was just that was the reality of like we're all the same and
• 52:56
  you have honed your skill better than mine and I'm going to keep
• 53:00
  doing my best. And it's it's okay if you're
• 53:03
  thrown further, but we're both going for the same thing.
• 53:06
  And that's really cool, many great memories from any of the
• 53:09
  USC championships besides me a Campbell and just so many.
• 53:14
  Oh, humble bright, naughty. That wouldn't be humble.
• 53:16
  But I go straight brag. I've been to a lot and I've
• 53:20
  always liked finished like last. So I was always on the bubble
• 53:23
  until the last couple years where I had that big break out
• 53:26
  during Olympic trials. Oh my gosh.
• 53:30
  Appropriate stories. Yeah, that's right.
• 53:33
  Thank you for thank you for that stuff moderation.
• 53:38
  Um, I think one of the things that was coolest for me, and
• 53:43
  this is when this was at Olympic trial.
• 53:46
  So I'm throwing pretty well and I go to, we have our practice
• 53:51
  days, especially with hammer and Eugene like we're separate.
• 53:55
  We have a witch trials, is this what year?
• 53:58
  So this one referred to, as going to be 20.
• 54:00
  Okay. Well, I went to 2016 and I
• 54:03
  finished I think 21st or something.
• 54:05
  It was cool experience. That was when all the American
• 54:08
  Hammer women had their breakout season.
• 54:10
  So that's when Amber hit at 35 through 7404, huge PR last year
• 54:18
  for a career like just such an inspiration and just seeing all
• 54:22
  those girls like this is the year that they became like some
• 54:25
  of the best in the world. It was so cool.
• 54:27
  I watch finals from the stands. I told.
• 54:30
  Self. I never want to do that again
• 54:31
  but it was awesome to experience in 2020 or technically as 2021
• 54:37
  but 20 Olympic trials, I went into that, there's no
• 54:42
  expectation, there was as funny, see the different Generations.
• 54:46
  So I've been around for a long time in the throne Community now
• 54:50
  and there's the older coaches and officials that are all like,
• 54:54
  what are you doing here? Like you just hanging out and
• 54:57
  like, oh no, I'm competing again.
• 54:59
  And just like the fun realization that like, I know
• 55:01
  some people and then there's all the young throwers like at that
• 55:05
  meet my boyfriend. Did the numbers.
• 55:07
  The average age was like 23 and I'm 30 whatever.
• 55:12
  Yeah, and it was just cool because they're all like, who is
• 55:14
  that? Even some of the newer coaches
• 55:16
  are like I've never seen this person in my life who are you?
• 55:19
  And like that was just a cool experience of being, you know,
• 55:23
  I've been here. It's a new year.
• 55:25
  I get to meet new people, new experiences and like my Dream as
• 55:30
  we've kind of talked about the service I like I want to get
• 55:32
  back. I want to help other people like
• 55:35
  Jim did that for me and I want to do that for other people and
• 55:40
  I have to find my own way to do it and sometimes you know
• 55:42
  presenting at clinics or just talking to some of the new
• 55:45
  throwers or anything I can do. Like that's a gift I want to
• 55:50
  give back. So I was kind of cool to realize
• 55:52
  I'm like not that these kids are going to like look up to me or
• 55:55
  anything but I'm like hey here's the new generation.
• 55:57
  Like maybe I can give them some knowledge or just even Now and
• 56:00
  having fun and showing them that like have fun, like chill.
• 56:03
  Relax. Like this is your here.
• 56:06
  And so I think at that Olympic trials, like, just that
• 56:10
  experience and being at that practice and kids like
• 56:14
  mean-mugging me, because they're like, who's this enemy and me
• 56:16
  being like, oh, all right. My name's, Lisa.
• 56:20
  I'm old. But I'm here and coaches, like,
• 56:22
  coming out and be like, who the hell are you?
• 56:24
  I had a coach actually say that, to me really serious.
• 56:27
  And now, we talk. We're five, but he's just like,
• 56:30
  Me, who the hell are you? And I was like, oh, at least I'm
• 56:35
  having a good year, like, I didn't know what to say to that.
• 56:40
  Like, those are the fun memories, is those interactions
• 56:42
  with people and I could go on all day about them.
• 56:44
  But yeah, you talked about wanting to give back and not
• 56:49
  only for the sport for the athletes and it kind of ties us
• 56:52
  to where you started us off about what the IMF.
• 56:54
  So talk to us about because you looted to something about handy
• 56:58
  to get my stuff together and get A job.
• 57:00
  And he hears, you know, there's a job at MF etcetera where you
• 57:03
  at into that transition, going into m f.
• 57:07
  Now you need sorry. Yeah as your so is your trials
• 57:11
  of 21 and 20 that are and now you know, MF comes in here
• 57:15
  somewhere around this time and there was a story there high
• 57:19
  soon as the story cuz you said someone told you or maybe you
• 57:22
  told yourself, I have to get my stuff together.
• 57:24
  Have to get a job. So we're talking to us about
• 57:26
  that time period. Yeah, so I was, I started with
• 57:30
  MF in August of 2018. Hmm.
• 57:33
  Okay. It's right through that.
• 57:35
  You're okay. All right.
• 57:37
  So right before then is when I was coaching at assumption, I
• 57:42
  was just part time, I was going through life stuff, trying to
• 57:45
  get my poop together and that was the time that I was just
• 57:51
  working out for fun, doing all that kind of stuff.
• 57:53
  And my best friend and boss of the time trying he's like you're
• 57:58
  not meant to work part-time and sit here and this is what
• 58:01
  coaches do, that's amazing. They they know when to say the
• 58:04
  right thing to change your life and even though he was Just one
• 58:07
  of my best friends like he's a Coach and he's had to deal with
• 58:10
  people and help them along their journey.
• 58:12
  And then I mean so many people can tell stories of that but he
• 58:15
  had a sit-down with me, it was like this isn't what you should
• 58:18
  be doing. You're better than this like you
• 58:20
  deserve a full-time job, like a real life like happiness.
• 58:23
  Hmm. Take this interview, do it.
• 58:26
  So that was when I started with them and I mean that was such a
• 58:29
  blessing that Trent help me with that and then MF took me in,
• 58:32
  it's such a mom-and-pop, like, family company.
• 58:36
  I'm Very fortunate. So I was working there full-time
• 58:42
  since August. 2018. And when I started throwing
• 58:45
  again, it was actually covid-19 to me.
• 58:49
  I know people don't like to say that, but I we ended up working
• 58:52
  from home and so I didn't have a long commute.
• 58:55
  I had time we built a gym in my basement.
• 58:58
  So I have a place to work out. There's a lot more than went
• 59:02
  through in that timeline, but that's the basic of it.
• 59:04
  So I have the opportunity T to be a full-time athlete while
• 59:09
  actually working. And we found my boyfriend does
• 59:12
  all my strength training and everything like that and he
• 59:14
  gets, you know, he'll joke around.
• 59:16
  He's Chef, he's chauffeur massage therapist, everything.
• 59:20
  So it actually was a gift that we live together and he can see,
• 59:26
  you know, like, oh you're tired, we need to back off or like pick
• 59:30
  it up. He doesn't know anything about
• 59:32
  throwing. So bless his soul.
• 59:34
  He knows when I look faster or slower.
• 59:36
  I'll tell you that all I'm less him but he's kind of help guide
• 59:42
  me so that I could figure out. I don't need to do a thousand
• 59:46
  things while still training and while working like kind of
• 59:51
  fine-tuning what works for me in my letter career.
• 59:54
  So anyways, so during this covid transition, I time to figure out
• 1:00:00
  what worked for me, training wise and I just got stronger and
• 1:00:04
  played around with throwing and then Olympics.
• 1:00:07
  Charles was just like, I mean, you can ask anyone at meets, how
• 1:00:10
  many times I cried, I meet because I was like, I'm doing so
• 1:00:12
  well. Charlie.
• 1:00:14
  I cried every week. It was just, it was a gift
• 1:00:18
  magical season. I don't know.
• 1:00:19
  It's like a Cinderella season. I just improved by 4 meters,
• 1:00:23
  because I was living a better lifestyle.
• 1:00:25
  I went to trials and hit a huge PR and no, I mean, no one
• 1:00:29
  expects me to be in finals. It was just like a cry about it
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  all day. It was the journey with MFA.
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  It was just so they've been so supportive and helping me and
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  making sure I can make time to train as well as be very
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  successful at my job. It's Awesome.
• 1:00:45
  It's nice to be able to work from home and no stress.
• 1:00:48
  Just be good at my job and it's awesome.
• 1:00:52
  So a couple things done pack. Their first of all, you know,
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  one of the most valuable tools that we can all have in our life
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  as a Swiss army knife and I love that your boyfriend, is that
• 1:01:00
  Swiss army knife. He's the chef, the massage, the
• 1:01:02
  weightlifting. I'm sure he's I'm sure he's the
• 1:01:05
  mental Council, sometimes, as well.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah. We all know we all need this
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  Swiss army knife. So I like that.
• 1:01:12
  You have that? It's awesome.
• 1:01:14
  And one of the things that you described about Trent and Jim,
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  you know, it's really that you described what their real true
• 1:01:21
  power of a coach is that they are able to see something in you
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  the athlete before, you can see it yourself.
• 1:01:27
  I mean, that is really when you boil down, like, if someone were
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  to say, hey, Mike, Define, what a coach does, that's exactly
• 1:01:34
  what we regard as a sport. But specifically here in track
• 1:01:36
  and field, they see things in their athletes that the athletes
• 1:01:40
  have no ability to see themselves.
• 1:01:42
  No ability to believe in themselves.
• 1:01:44
  And then help bring that out. And that is why we have amazing
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  athletes at every turn nowadays in every event here in America
• 1:01:52
  on every level out there. So I just love that you were
• 1:01:56
  describing that with Trent Jim that both them said hey sit down
• 1:01:59
  let's talk. Like first of all you know trim
• 1:02:01
  talking about you deserve better, you deserve happiness,
• 1:02:04
  you deserve a full-time job. Jim saying, hey, you know what,
• 1:02:06
  I see this in you and you know therefore you deserve to be a
• 1:02:11
  better thrower. And and that might lead to USA
• 1:02:15
  championships and things like that, but we'll never know if we
• 1:02:17
  don't give it a try. So yeah, I love that.
• 1:02:21
  So, talk about when Trent was telling you about.
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  Hey, there's a job over at MF. Did you know anything about em
• 1:02:27
  F? Or it was just like, oh, I know
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  him F? Or was it, like who just learned
• 1:02:31
  about them? What was your knowledge?
• 1:02:34
  So, I knew them in general because I remember in college
• 1:02:37
  being handed and MF athletic catalog.
• 1:02:39
  Oh yeah. Implement and so, like, they've
• 1:02:42
  always been someone. I knew like, even when I did
• 1:02:44
  some ordering when I was coaching I ordered from that.
• 1:02:49
  I did not know, like, Mark personally or anyone like that
• 1:02:52
  Trent's best friends with one of marks kids so that was that
• 1:02:55
  connection as well. So I knew them just kind of
• 1:02:59
  loosely because Trent would talk about them.
• 1:03:02
  So when I interviewed and like, you know, you read, you read the
• 1:03:05
  company history, you learn all about them, I'm like, man, why
• 1:03:07
  didn't I know more about this place?
• 1:03:09
  Great history and it's one of those things that just Falls in
• 1:03:11
  your lap like you weren't you're not looking for it.
• 1:03:14
  You don't know, they're the perfect company for you but
• 1:03:18
  yeah. So I didn't know that much about
• 1:03:20
  them but the day I started working there is just awesome.
• 1:03:25
  Did did Mark interview? Yes.
• 1:03:28
  How was that? Yeah, I know Mark fairly well.
• 1:03:32
  I always wonder like in that side of life.
• 1:03:34
  But was it intimidating? Was it?
• 1:03:38
  I don't you tell me how was it like you think about your
• 1:03:40
  memory? They're being interviewed by
• 1:03:41
  Mark straw out of it. Can I say?
• 1:03:43
  Yeah, it would Jeopardizing your current situation with the math.
• 1:03:47
  Yes. No Marc was awesome.
• 1:03:49
  And I think he knew a little bit about me, just because he gets
• 1:03:52
  talked to Trent actually here like what my current situation
• 1:03:55
  was. They I think they had pretty
• 1:03:58
  much already looked at my resume and I mean, Mark can answer
• 1:04:01
  this. It felt like they had already
• 1:04:03
  decided I was a good fit, it was just formality.
• 1:04:07
  So, you know, little intimidating because you're
• 1:04:09
  like, what am I going to say wrong?
• 1:04:11
  Just like any interview, but, It's just a big teddy bear.
• 1:04:15
  Don't tell him. I said that, let me tell you the
• 1:04:18
  words. I've never used to describe him
• 1:04:23
  and I know you're listening. I love you, Mike, you know that.
• 1:04:27
  So let's talk about your position there.
• 1:04:29
  At MF, you're a sales rep and you know, throw specialty based
• 1:04:33
  off of your athleticism and coaching, you know, but
• 1:04:35
  obviously, you're not just throwing, you're not just
• 1:04:37
  selling, just throwing stuff. You're selling pits and hurdles
• 1:04:41
  and poles and the whole nine. Sure, like you I get asked a lot
• 1:04:46
  of times about like, you know, from coaches like, hey, so what
• 1:04:51
  do you do? Could I ever do that?
• 1:04:53
  Like, what's up? Talk to us about what's an
• 1:04:54
  average day as a sales rep at MF.
• 1:04:59
  And I know that's a little question because there are
• 1:05:00
  hardly any average days. I know that from experience.
• 1:05:04
  So we have a great situation, I think and you can say same thing
• 1:05:09
  with Gil and we sell Guild products so that people know our
• 1:05:13
  company, people know that we both have, we have quality
• 1:05:16
  products. So we're getting calls from
• 1:05:18
  coaches because they know that they're going to get something
• 1:05:21
  great with us and that they're going to talk to knowledgeable
• 1:05:24
  people. And I think that's a really cool
• 1:05:26
  experience that for the most part I get calls.
• 1:05:30
  We have a live chat system emails, every, every way you can
• 1:05:34
  I think I get text messages diems people asking, you know,
• 1:05:38
  do you sell these products? What do you think about this?
• 1:05:40
  Can you compare this stuff? So, and just some coaches
• 1:05:45
  saying, like, hey, I want this. Get it for me.
• 1:05:49
  But I think on a day-to-day basis, we're dealing a lot with
• 1:05:52
  coaches that need help picking products, or have a list of
• 1:05:55
  exactly what they want or just want to talk about track, like
• 1:05:59
  they heard something and our company was referenced to them.
• 1:06:03
  So, It can be all over the place, but pretty much, you
• 1:06:06
  know, putting quotes together helping customers pick their
• 1:06:08
  products. What's the best fit for them?
• 1:06:11
  Sometimes? It's educating about track
• 1:06:13
  because we have, well, I work with a lot of colleges and have
• 1:06:16
  a lot of friends that are called coaches.
• 1:06:17
  So they're easy to deal with. There's a lot of High School
• 1:06:20
  coaches, they're still learning and we actually get the
• 1:06:24
  opportunity to help educate on products or the sport and
• 1:06:27
  especially for me. Someone will send me a thrower.
• 1:06:30
  And I'll be like, oh, let's talk for 30 minutes about throwing
• 1:06:33
  and Then we'll figure out what you want, but we do, we get the
• 1:06:37
  opportunity to educate people and help them and I know you
• 1:06:40
  deal with this as well. Like the different product
• 1:06:43
  lines. We have figure out what works
• 1:06:45
  best for them budget-wise, or what's best for their athletes,
• 1:06:49
  special with throws, you know, even like a discus room.
• 1:06:52
  Wait, a lot of coaches don't even know what that is yet.
• 1:06:54
  So we get the opportunity to help them learn that and then
• 1:06:57
  talk about the sport and turn and, you know, make them feel
• 1:07:00
  like family, what's the most? Rewarding Part of your job.
• 1:07:05
  You can you do a lot of different aspects.
• 1:07:07
  What when you go home within the night?
• 1:07:09
  Well, you were probably. Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  When you get out of the library, which were going to talk about,
• 1:07:14
  by the way, we're not getting away from for you that are
• 1:07:17
  watching on YouTube. You see the background, we're
• 1:07:19
  definitely chopping into that but when you plug out for the
• 1:07:23
  day when you're like okay I'm back to just being Lisa and you
• 1:07:26
  look back like me. I really like, you know why I
• 1:07:29
  can't wait to plug back in tomorrow because I enjoy this.
• 1:07:32
  What's one of the most rewarding Aspects of the job fan.
• 1:07:35
  So I think I've obsessively noted that I love talking about
• 1:07:39
  track and I love the opportunity to help people and I know it's
• 1:07:43
  my job. So I am getting paid to do it,
• 1:07:45
  but I like this is a way of me giving back and it's one way of
• 1:07:50
  many that I try to do, but I get to give back by helping people.
• 1:07:55
  Figure out what's best for them or just honestly, like, I'm
• 1:07:58
  competitive. So I'm like, oh, who's ahead and
• 1:08:00
  sales today? Let me check this.
• 1:08:03
  And I'll Email, sometimes my co-workers be like, hey, I guess
• 1:08:06
  that's a good order, but I'm still ahead of you, but no, I
• 1:08:10
  like the complaint. You're going to tell me that
• 1:08:12
  you're competitive was shocker. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:08:16
  Well, I got something fun for me, is I find ways to compete?
• 1:08:19
  I can't help myself. It's just who I am.
• 1:08:21
  So, it's fun to see how the numbers play out.
• 1:08:24
  It's fun to try to find big orders or when I started the
• 1:08:28
  job, I did not. It's amazing how much I didn't
• 1:08:31
  realize. I don't know about track, like,
• 1:08:33
  even It's I'm like, people ask these questions.
• 1:08:36
  Like I don't learn so much more than I didn't even realize it
• 1:08:39
  was stuff. I'm like, oh, that's kind of
• 1:08:40
  obvious, like, even different handle sizes for hammers.
• 1:08:44
  I was just like, that's a thing. I just threw them, I don't know.
• 1:08:50
  So when I started the company, I had to learn so much about the
• 1:08:54
  products, not just throws everything.
• 1:08:56
  And now that I've evolved like it's almost like a game for me
• 1:09:00
  to figure out what people need and really want.
• 1:09:04
  Because sometimes they don't know.
• 1:09:06
  And to me, that's something enjoyable.
• 1:09:08
  And in the end, yes, it's a transaction.
• 1:09:11
  But in my head, I'm like, I just hope this person.
• 1:09:13
  Like, I help them find what worked for them and now they can
• 1:09:16
  go home and say, like, oh, we got this amazing shop, put that
• 1:09:19
  this kid loves because the diameter fits them better and
• 1:09:22
  blah, blah blah. So it's like, it's just kind of
• 1:09:24
  a fitting pieces together. That's what I love about it
• 1:09:28
  knowing that you came from a throws background and you and I
• 1:09:32
  think you're spot on with. With as an athlete you weren't
• 1:09:35
  really thinking about, like you mentioned the width of the
• 1:09:37
  hammer handles and they're even options things like that.
• 1:09:41
  But but knowing that in general, you were very comfortable in The
• 1:09:45
  throes discus shot at cetera javelins.
• 1:09:48
  Even what has been like the most.
• 1:09:51
  Like, I don't want to necessarily say challenging but
• 1:09:53
  maybe the most fun. Like, oh man, I had to learn
• 1:09:56
  about this. That's not throws.
• 1:09:58
  Like maybe the first time you learned about polls and flex
• 1:10:01
  numbers or standards. Don't know.
• 1:10:04
  It was there is there something that I've kind of put me on the
• 1:10:06
  spot? I know.
• 1:10:06
  But it's something like you're like, oh man.
• 1:10:07
  First time I learned about X Y and Z.
• 1:10:10
  I just thought that was the most amazing thing in the world.
• 1:10:16
  I'm trying to think Walt is always one of the most
• 1:10:18
  fascinating things to learn about pits whole all that stuff.
• 1:10:21
  I'm still learning and evolving with that.
• 1:10:27
  I had an answer, but it's what my head.
• 1:10:29
  Give me one second and I will think hey, while you're
• 1:10:34
  thinking, I'm going to give a story because okay, but be
• 1:10:36
  thinking, don't listen this amazing Stories you think, but
• 1:10:39
  she mentioned pole-vault over. So, I'm so dumb.
• 1:10:42
  Now, coach for 10 years at a fairly high level.
• 1:10:44
  I made it to the SEC and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:10:46
  When they brought me in, for my interview here and Gil, they
• 1:10:49
  took me to the pool room to show me, you know, the process of
• 1:10:52
  making post. Well, I'm so dumb.
• 1:10:53
  I had really no idea how they were made.
• 1:10:56
  I just thought, like, they have like this 100 foot length of the
• 1:10:59
  pole. And they're like, oh, we need a
• 1:11:00
  15-footer shop opening a couple tenths.
• 1:11:03
  Chop-chop. Oh, now 17.
• 1:11:04
  It just like almost like the Play-Doh, you know, press the
• 1:11:08
  spaghetti presser. I just thought that like that's
• 1:11:10
  how they made pools and then to actually see, first of all, if
• 1:11:14
  you don't know, it's a is if you don't know how to make poles,
• 1:11:17
  you have no idea how they make polls, and what they actually
• 1:11:18
  look like to start out with if you go to YouTube and Google and
• 1:11:22
  search, How It's Made pole, vault poles, how it's made?
• 1:11:25
  That TV show actually did that for full vaulting poles.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah, and it's just like, I mean, if you're if you don't
• 1:11:32
  know you'll be Blown Away of how approval poll starts and gets to
• 1:11:36
  where, you know, what as you see it is track.
• 1:11:38
  Meet it just blew me away and I realized like, man, I coached
• 1:11:40
  for 10 years, I know a lot and I love other events at told you
• 1:11:44
  I'd go every day, I'd go early to watch The Hammer throwers and
• 1:11:47
  decently like distance. And, you know, I watched a lot
• 1:11:51
  of events and I still had a clue of the pole.
• 1:11:55
  Vault pole. It's quite amazing.
• 1:11:57
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:11:58
  I have an answer but it's not specific to implement or totem.
• 1:12:02
  The people NG perfect. Okay, love it.
• 1:12:04
  Let's hear something that I think is eye-opening, is that as
• 1:12:09
  a sales rep. You forget that, people that
• 1:12:11
  call in, don't actually know you or think of you always as a
• 1:12:15
  person and kind of trying to find a way to get earn their
• 1:12:19
  trust. So that they realize that what
• 1:12:21
  you're saying is actually for their benefit.
• 1:12:23
  I think that's been one of the biggest things to me, because
• 1:12:26
  I'm just, I'm, I guess I can. I'm a caring person and I care
• 1:12:31
  about helping people. And I think that like, it was
• 1:12:34
  really crazy me when I tell someone something and they call
• 1:12:38
  back the next day to be like, oh, someone told me this, but I
• 1:12:41
  don't believe it. Can you tell me the truth?
• 1:12:43
  And I'd be, I'd be like, why would I lie to you?
• 1:12:47
  And that like that people relation is something that I was
• 1:12:51
  blown away by that. You have to I mean it's not
• 1:12:53
  surprising. You have to earn people's trust
• 1:12:55
  but just that people call in and ask a question and they're like,
• 1:12:58
  oh well you can't be right. I didn't hurt here that before
• 1:13:01
  I'm like, why I want Help it. I'm not trying to screw you
• 1:13:05
  over. So that way I think that was the
• 1:13:08
  hardest thing to realize that people aren't looking at you.
• 1:13:11
  They don't know who you are. They don't really know that you
• 1:13:13
  have a background they're just calling in and they have
• 1:13:17
  preconceived notions that you have to attack or tackle I
• 1:13:21
  should say yeah you know I think what you're talking about there
• 1:13:25
  is actually a much deeper discussion you know for me
• 1:13:28
  there's a difference between being a Salesman or saleswoman
• 1:13:31
  and being a sales professional. And we people who are sales
• 1:13:36
  professionals, get dinged if you will because of the snake oil
• 1:13:41
  salesman is the proverbial used car sales.
• 1:13:44
  The people who are out at about 4.4 themselves and not out for
• 1:13:48
  it for the customer. And so when for guys like you
• 1:13:51
  and I who are out for the customer people are
• 1:13:53
  automatically in and we do it to our you know Lisa not Lisa, the
• 1:13:57
  MF sales rep but Lisa Wilson, when she goes to buy a TV at
• 1:14:00
  Best Buy or car it's always like Yeah, what's this person?
• 1:14:04
  Not telling me what's, what's the catch?
• 1:14:07
  I better go check somewhere else and make sure that I get the
• 1:14:11
  same info. So we do it as well because
• 1:14:14
  we've seen, we've been jaded. We've been tricked.
• 1:14:18
  We've been pressured into buying stuff and when we look at it in
• 1:14:22
  our professionals as of how we do things, it's like, oh yeah,
• 1:14:25
  there's no pressure here. Like first of all my career I'm
• 1:14:28
  about for you, Lisa. My career changed when because
• 1:14:32
  there's no There's no class-leading go to college for
• 1:14:34
  sales. Like there's no degree in city.
• 1:14:37
  Like you have to learn it kind of on your own.
• 1:14:38
  And then there's some things that you can, you know,
• 1:14:40
  obviously from examples of others.
• 1:14:42
  But then there's some actual sales training that you can do
• 1:14:45
  as well. But what I learned that it's not
• 1:14:49
  my job to convince coach, to by X y&z, like, that's like, I
• 1:14:53
  can't convince you to do anything mr.
• 1:14:55
  Mrs. Coach like, you've got to come to your own conclusions.
• 1:14:58
  My job is actually first to find out.
• 1:15:00
  If there is a, if there is an issue, is there a problem?
• 1:15:03
  Um, do you need a new X Y or Z? And then it's to find out if I
• 1:15:07
  even have the solution, there's a lot of Manufacturers out there
• 1:15:10
  I hate void them. My boss is right behind this
• 1:15:12
  door. We're not the right for
• 1:15:15
  everybody. We're not by the way.
• 1:15:17
  That means that other people aren't the right for everybody
• 1:15:19
  as well. So it's learning about
• 1:15:22
  questioning techniques and actually like to your point
• 1:15:24
  carrying like oh by the way you're going to coach for the
• 1:15:26
  next 20, 30, 40 years. I'm going to be in this business
• 1:15:28
  for the next 20, 30, 40 years. I in the business of screwing
• 1:15:32
  you over just so I can get a sale today and then lose the
• 1:15:36
  next couple of Decades of your business because you found out
• 1:15:38
  I'm a snake and I did it for myself, not for you, you know?
• 1:15:41
  So I love that. You know that passion that you
• 1:15:44
  have that desire, you have of like, oh that get hurt.
• 1:15:46
  I could tell it. Actually kind of hurts you a
• 1:15:48
  little bit that someone doesn't trust you.
• 1:15:50
  It's like, well, Lisa I just don't believe that.
• 1:15:52
  It's like, oh well why would you say that?
• 1:15:54
  Because like my my whole intention is to help not.
• 1:15:59
  Yeah, I would, I lie, you know, so I love that.
• 1:16:01
  That's your your your forward facing towards, it's so hard.
• 1:16:05
  Sometimes the call coaches customers because it feels so an
• 1:16:08
  intimate, you know. But I love that that's your
• 1:16:10
  forward-facing. Heart posture is like, I just
• 1:16:14
  want to help and luckily I get to help in a sport that I love
• 1:16:17
  and have done for my whole life and and be able to enjoy it and
• 1:16:21
  talk about it and go to the meats and everything.
• 1:16:24
  What a gift that you have there. Yeah.
• 1:16:27
  And what's funny is that I think as a coach that was actually
• 1:16:31
  something I also struggled with is that to me, it's so obvious
• 1:16:35
  how much I wanted to help people and I cared, but the whole point
• 1:16:39
  of coaching is you take time to develop relationships like the,
• 1:16:42
  especially if you start a new school, these kids aren't going
• 1:16:45
  to trust you. Right way.
• 1:16:46
  You're the new kid like, that's crazy talk and and I think that
• 1:16:51
  was something I struggle with is as a coach is that like you have
• 1:16:55
  to wait for the the relationship to build?
• 1:16:58
  Like it's just not going to happen and I'm not Patient
• 1:17:00
  person. So, and that's something so many
• 1:17:04
  coaches talked about building relationship with their kids
• 1:17:06
  like, earning trust, like maybe taking it down a notch.
• 1:17:09
  So the person knows you're doing this because you care.
• 1:17:11
  And that's a big picture thing. But what a, my favorite things
• 1:17:15
  to do is to challenge Our Guest Lisa.
• 1:17:18
  Yeah. And so something you just said
• 1:17:21
  there it was an automatic, the flag went up and was like how
• 1:17:24
  the So you can you just said I'm not a very patient person but we
• 1:17:32
  just heard the story of someone who goes to college learns, the
• 1:17:37
  hammer hates the hammer finally throws a little bit.
• 1:17:41
  Their senior year doesn't give up on it goes and throws after
• 1:17:45
  you moved to California. Coach says, hey, she might have
• 1:17:49
  something but she's gonna have to come.
• 1:17:50
  Talk to me. You do that.
• 1:17:52
  You work with that person for five years.
• 1:17:53
  Six years in such a you You retire, you get out of it, you
• 1:17:57
  come back into it and you're making us the Championships and
• 1:18:01
  Olympic trials. That sounds like the story of
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  patients to me. Well, if you would have asked me
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  two days ago, I would have told you that the sports ridiculous.
• 1:18:12
  It's horrible. I had a bad practice.
• 1:18:13
  Why am I doing it? This morning?
• 1:18:15
  Had a great practice. So I'm on top of the moon right
• 1:18:17
  now. So let me tell you this, long
• 1:18:18
  journey has been worth it but what's actually ironic is that,
• 1:18:23
  that is something I'll talk with Young new throwers about,
• 1:18:27
  especially picking up hammer out of nowhere.
• 1:18:29
  It's some people, I've coached kids at the first day they could
• 1:18:34
  do six turns. And I like cried because I don't
• 1:18:36
  know how they did it. I could never do that, but most
• 1:18:39
  kids it takes years to figure it out.
• 1:18:41
  It's just, it's a long learning event.
• 1:18:44
  And I don't think anyone specifically said that to me
• 1:18:48
  when I got into the journey like, It's could take you ten
• 1:18:52
  years. No one said that to me.
• 1:18:55
  But now when I talk to kids, it's like if you really love
• 1:18:57
  this, like it could take you 10 years.
• 1:19:00
  If you really want to be great, it could take a long time and
• 1:19:03
  you have to just kind of accept and conceptualize that these
• 1:19:07
  first few years are just, you learning and having fun and
• 1:19:11
  becoming one with a sport and finding happiness in it.
• 1:19:14
  And Maybe a coach distinctly said that to me growing up by.
• 1:19:19
  I don't remember him, and I feel like that's something that like
• 1:19:23
  patients wouldn't have been the word I use, but I guess we can
• 1:19:26
  use it but just acceptance of the long journey.
• 1:19:30
  Yeah. And you gave such good examples
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  of yourself, personally, peering at 30, you talked about Amber
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  Campbell hidden, her PR, what 32 Gwen Barry is throwing out of
• 1:19:41
  this world and she's been around for a while, so yeah.
• 1:19:46
  And that's why, when you say, I don't have very much patience
• 1:19:48
  like mmmm. I don't, I don't think that's
• 1:19:50
  true. I think you are the, you're
• 1:19:52
  showing this story of the embodiment of patients.
• 1:19:55
  You could have quit after college after after UMass
• 1:20:00
  Amherst. And no one would have faulted.
• 1:20:02
  You no one would have said you really you should have gone on
• 1:20:05
  for the next 10 Years. Everybody like oh well him he
• 1:20:08
  had a great career learned. You contribute to the team.
• 1:20:11
  Bravo them is probably right, time to move on and you didn't
• 1:20:14
  after you moved to California. For Nia and your coaching and
• 1:20:17
  get your MBA, your coach. Now you're going to coach, you
• 1:20:21
  could have stopped throwing then and no one would have faulted
• 1:20:23
  you then like I do. Okay, okay, you retired.
• 1:20:27
  No one said you probably should never Tire.
• 1:20:29
  He's probably keep going. You know, ten more years.
• 1:20:31
  You're like, no and great job. Maybe what a little life you
• 1:20:34
  lived up to this point and that hammer, it's great.
• 1:20:35
  You're right. It is time for something else.
• 1:20:37
  Move on, that's all good. We all do that.
• 1:20:39
  You are the embodiment of patience, my friend.
• 1:20:41
  So for you to say, I don't have much patience now.
• 1:20:43
  Now your, to your point, your Swiss army knife might be listen
• 1:20:46
  to this right now going. Yeah.
• 1:20:47
  Yeah. You have no idea.
• 1:20:49
  Dude. No patience.
• 1:20:50
  Maybe, maybe. I don't know.
• 1:20:51
  I don't know. But I bet it even if he sit back
• 1:20:54
  and thought about his like hell, She does deal with me when I do
• 1:20:57
  this and continue to be here. And when I do this and well, you
• 1:21:00
  know, I think it's a life of patients that you're actually
• 1:21:03
  exemplifying Lisa, thank you. So, let's start wrapping up here
• 1:21:08
  today. Before we do though, I were, we
• 1:21:11
  talked about this a little bit before we hit the record button.
• 1:21:14
  And again, if you're watching on YouTube, you've seen this, I
• 1:21:16
  have to know, tell me more. You look like you're in a mini
• 1:21:19
  Library here, and I'm a very Avid book reader myself, so I'm
• 1:21:25
  fascinated. By this, tell us more about
• 1:21:27
  these books. What is you just have a passion
• 1:21:29
  for reading or what? I've always loved reading.
• 1:21:32
  My dad was a big reader when I was growing up.
• 1:21:34
  So he's always had, he has over like a thousand.
• 1:21:37
  So I have over 1,000 books in here, you can't see this couple
• 1:21:40
  of bookshelves over here. Most of them are fantasy and
• 1:21:43
  sci-fi because that's what my dad grew up reading.
• 1:21:46
  So I want my dad, so cool. So obviously I have to read it.
• 1:21:50
  So when I bought my house, I've been here for a couple years
• 1:21:54
  now. I always told myself I wanted To
• 1:21:55
  have a library. So, here we are.
• 1:21:58
  We bought as many bookshelves as possible.
• 1:22:01
  I took all my dad's old books and I put them in here, so I've
• 1:22:04
  encountered, but I know, it's over 1,000, and I have someone
• 1:22:06
  like my school books and stuff as well, and all that kind of
• 1:22:09
  stuff. But I love reading so.
• 1:22:13
  So someone and you said sci-fi and fantasy these, your favorite
• 1:22:17
  genre, is it a genre? Is that what you call it from
• 1:22:19
  books? Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  Things are. What?
• 1:22:21
  Not, yeah. So someone out there right now
• 1:22:22
  is also nerdy now going. Oh my God.
• 1:22:24
  I also love sci-fi Tennessee. So, but maybe there's other
• 1:22:27
  people that are like, you know, I've always wanted to but I
• 1:22:30
  never did what what book or series or whatnot as either your
• 1:22:35
  favorite or that you would recommend, maybe for a, let's do
• 1:22:37
  to tell us what your favorite is.
• 1:22:39
  So that'll satisfy all the people who really love sci-fi
• 1:22:42
  and fantasy like okay. Yeah, I haven't read that.
• 1:22:44
  I need to read it or yeah, she's right.
• 1:22:46
  It's awesome. And then also give us a
• 1:22:48
  recommendation for someone who's like, you know, I don't read it
• 1:22:51
  but I always thought about it. What should they tiptoe into?
• 1:22:54
  So give us your favorite. It's also good depend on age on
• 1:22:58
  this, I would say, oh my God, I'll give you a secret our
• 1:23:02
  number one stat. We are really big in males, 25
• 1:23:06
  to 35. That is the biggest group of
• 1:23:09
  listeners, right now, right now, right now, listening, that's
• 1:23:12
  who's listening on average, on over average perfect.
• 1:23:15
  So, am Bishop is one of my favorite authors in the black
• 1:23:19
  Jewels Trilogy. I don't think it's a very famous
• 1:23:21
  series, but it's my favorite. There's I think there's actually
• 1:23:25
  Lee handbooks total outside the trilogy, but that is my favorite
• 1:23:30
  to read. Oh gosh.
• 1:23:32
  See there's so many different directions to go with fantasy
• 1:23:35
  and sci-fi that. It's like you have to figure out
• 1:23:36
  like, do you like a male main character?
• 1:23:38
  Do you like a female main character?
• 1:23:40
  Do you like a world that's completely made up?
• 1:23:44
  There's what would be just a good tip toe like just a, you
• 1:23:47
  know, I'm trying to look around real quick.
• 1:23:49
  A good starter kit. I mean, the easy ones always
• 1:23:53
  think about like I start with Harry Potter as one of my like,
• 1:23:55
  first full series. That was an easy one and there
• 1:24:00
  with all the movies. Now, I mean, you can't go wrong
• 1:24:02
  with that. Oh gosh.
• 1:24:07
  You're actually really challenging me because I'm
• 1:24:09
  trying to think of like which Series.
• 1:24:11
  Yeah, I'm looking right in front of me.
• 1:24:14
  I have a Brandon Sanderson series of mistborn Trilogy,
• 1:24:17
  that's really good. Okay, I would recommend that as
• 1:24:20
  a starter because it has a lot of, it has a lot of fun fantasy
• 1:24:24
  stuff, but a lot of good relationship building stuff as
• 1:24:27
  well. That's what, you know, males, 25
• 1:24:30
  to 35 really are after. So, it's perfect romance in,
• 1:24:36
  does this sci-fi Passion for reading.
• 1:24:39
  Does it carry over to other things?
• 1:24:40
  I'm trying think, like, do you do D&D?
• 1:24:43
  I'm trying to go to other, like type of games or movies.
• 1:24:47
  Is it go into that side too? Or just strictly, for reading,
• 1:24:50
  for me, it's strictly for reading.
• 1:24:52
  But obviously, I overanalyze, like everything.
• 1:24:54
  So, I'm not very creative actually.
• 1:24:56
  So, like D&D is something. I've watched people play.
• 1:24:59
  I'm like, I just, I would freeze.
• 1:25:01
  I could not figure that I like watching it.
• 1:25:03
  I think it's very entertaining. Like I love playing video games.
• 1:25:07
  But I would say honestly, in the sounds really funny, but one of
• 1:25:11
  the things I like about fantasy books, is that it's a made-up
• 1:25:14
  world but they all have a set structure so they have a
• 1:25:18
  development of their society. I know I sound crazy right now,
• 1:25:22
  like rules of the world whether like there's magic of the world
• 1:25:25
  or there's not. And I think that's very
• 1:25:27
  fascinating that someone can come up with this whole world
• 1:25:30
  with a structure and develop it through multiple.
• 1:25:34
  Because I like long trilogies or long series.
• 1:25:37
  I think that's very fascinating. How someone could come up with
• 1:25:39
  that whole system on their own? Develop it and like just see it
• 1:25:43
  grow? I think that's super cool.
• 1:25:45
  No, I would Echo that I am amazed and you're talking
• 1:25:49
  specifically about sci-fi fantasy.
• 1:25:51
  I'm time I just other fiction books and things like that or
• 1:25:53
  are movies, even where it's like man someone like right now, I'm
• 1:25:57
  a big Marvel person. I grew up reading the Marvel
• 1:26:00
  comic books. I'm really into the movies and
• 1:26:02
  things like that. As they obviously, they make
• 1:26:04
  their own errors and stuff because of nerds at I mean, not
• 1:26:08
  in the good way, by the way. I've, I'm a nerd.
• 1:26:10
  I love nerds that point out the mistakes, but for someone who
• 1:26:13
  like Kevin Fiji, who, you know, has to plan out in whatever year
• 1:26:17
  it started 2016 with Captain America and see 30 years in
• 1:26:22
  advance, in the movies and shows and it's fluid.
• 1:26:25
  They had shows as I go along, I like, oh, this character got
• 1:26:27
  hot. Well, let's make them to be able
• 1:26:29
  to see that and keep it coherent for the Mosaic is fascinating.
• 1:26:35
  Yeah, creativity. Keeping it all together, dealing
• 1:26:39
  with the bunch of different directors, and actors, and they
• 1:26:42
  have their own input into it and still like it's a, it's a, it's
• 1:26:46
  a book, it's a sequence. Like I can follow along and it
• 1:26:49
  as see people grow up in the system.
• 1:26:50
  It's quite astounding. And I was I'm a I feel like I'm
• 1:26:54
  a pretty creative person and I would agree with you.
• 1:26:56
  I'm not, I could not to that level of detail.
• 1:26:59
  I couldn't get there. Yeah and ant-man's this weekend.
• 1:27:02
  We're buying our tickets. We're doing that.
• 1:27:04
  When my boyfriend gets home, very excited.
• 1:27:07
  I am also a cheap nerd. So in a way and I don't like
• 1:27:11
  crowds. So I will wait till I get back
• 1:27:13
  from ncaa's middle of March. I've already told the family
• 1:27:15
  we're going to go. Yes yes that's fair.
• 1:27:17
  I won't tell you you know I read all about it every day not at
• 1:27:22
  work. Well so I know it'll be spoiled
• 1:27:25
  you know. So I'm not worried, I'm not one
• 1:27:27
  of those people are like, oh I don't want to tell you because
• 1:27:28
  you might watch it. Like first of all usually it's
• 1:27:30
  about a movie that I'll never watch them like yeah you're good
• 1:27:32
  right? You can tell me the story.
• 1:27:33
  I was like but I'll still be surprised.
• 1:27:34
  I'm not going to, you know, it's not going to stay right here and
• 1:27:36
  hit my head. I'm going to remember when I go
• 1:27:38
  to watch a movie, like I'll forget it and it'll still be a
• 1:27:39
  surprise. Well good.
• 1:27:41
  But am excited about Ant-Man and and Guardians of the Galaxy 3
• 1:27:45
  this summer. That's also pumped up for that
• 1:27:47
  too. So yeah, pumped Lisa, go go go.
• 1:27:51
  But you love it? Yeah.
• 1:27:52
  Okay God I'm sorry to interrupt you.
• 1:27:54
  Lisa. Thank you so much, you know, for
• 1:27:56
  a lot of things we're in. First of all, you know, your
• 1:27:57
  time is extremely valuable. So for you to spend time with us
• 1:28:01
  here on the podcast, always, super super grateful.
• 1:28:04
  It is it's a super busy time for coaches right now.
• 1:28:07
  Remember coaches, people like Lisa and myself and others,
• 1:28:11
  we're hearing from all of you right now.
• 1:28:14
  It is the time of the year, especially right here.
• 1:28:17
  This is March 6. When you're listening to this,
• 1:28:18
  but we're right here in February and March, it is a, it is a fire
• 1:28:23
  hose of request. Thank God by the way, thank you
• 1:28:26
  for calling us although hear you complaining.
• 1:28:28
  Trust me. Thank you for calling more
• 1:28:32
  Deluge please. But so but it just value, you
• 1:28:35
  know, grateful for your time during This extremely busy time
• 1:28:38
  for you and honestly you know kind of for speaking for Gil
• 1:28:42
  towards MF Athletics. So grateful for you guys, we
• 1:28:45
  have been partners for I'm having the I feel like I've been
• 1:28:48
  here a long time in here, almost 17 years.
• 1:28:51
  And the relationship between F and Gil was long before me.
• 1:28:55
  And I really feel like it is really strengthened even more
• 1:28:59
  and gotten stronger here in the last three, four, five, six
• 1:29:01
  years to where, you know, we just value what you and the team
• 1:29:05
  does how you represent us. And just feel, just so blessed
• 1:29:09
  to have you guys on our team representing Gil ethics
• 1:29:11
  equipment. Yeah, and thank you.
• 1:29:13
  It's easy to sell quality products.
• 1:29:15
  Let's be real. I'm just happy you don't to sell
• 1:29:18
  me because that would be you. I would challenge how much of a
• 1:29:21
  sales professional you are. If you had to thank God, you're
• 1:29:23
  just working with the equipment and not me.
• 1:29:27
  Lisa, thanks for being here, really.
• 1:29:29
  Do appreciate it till the tell the gang.
• 1:29:30
  I said, hello. Of course, you know, we talk to
• 1:29:32
  you as pretty common, pretty often so but please give our
• 1:29:35
  love to everybody there. And thank you.
• 1:29:37
  Guys and gals for being here today.
• 1:29:38
  You know, I think it's super interesting to bring you people
• 1:29:41
  that aren't necessarily always coaches.
• 1:29:43
  I love our coaches, that will continue and always will be our
• 1:29:46
  Focus here on the gulf headaches connections podcast.
• 1:29:49
  But to bring you other aspects to show you Lisa, who's gone
• 1:29:53
  from athlete, and coach and continues to be athlete.
• 1:29:56
  And also serving coaches in her role as a sales rep, I think
• 1:29:59
  it's fascinating. It's like to show you all the
• 1:30:01
  different aspects of this great sport that you serve as a coach
• 1:30:05
  in track and field here. So So, thankful for Lisa being
• 1:30:08
  here today, join us next week, we're going to do it all over
• 1:30:10
  again. Where we'll have another great
• 1:30:12
  coach, as we get closer and closer to our 200th episode.
• 1:30:14
  I got a big one for you and episode 200.
• 1:30:16
  So you got to be here, but join us next week.
• 1:30:19
  We'll have another coach, and we'll do it all over again.
• 1:30:21
  God bless and have a great week. Thank you.