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The Favorites - Guest Anthony Dabbundo · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites of the Podcast presented by BET
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  Speaker 1: three six five. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. Today. I'm
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  Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, my compadre,
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  Speaker 1: my BFF professional better, Simon Hunter Elo Simon, Hello.
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  Speaker 2: Chad, did you watch that uh Lucas homecoming last night?
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  Speaker 1: That I watched the Lucas homecoming last night?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Doncic oh, oh Luca Lucas homecoming. Yeah, I watched the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. I watched the whole game. My kid and
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  Speaker 1: I were riveted. It was awesome. He was on fire.
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  Speaker 1: The tears were flowing in the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: That was hoppy to me. Him crying at the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: This man is crying about the Dallas Mavericks. How did
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  Speaker 2: they let him go? You had a player that cared
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  Speaker 2: about playing in Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: He had a guy. They put up a graphic which
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  Speaker 1: I think I must have forgotten that Luca, at twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight point six points per game, has the third highest
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  Speaker 1: scoring average in NBA history, after Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain.
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  Speaker 1: How the fuck do you let that? It's like still astonishing,
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  Speaker 1: It's so astonishing that it's not even like that. Michael
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  Speaker 1: Malone getting fired with three games left after two years
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  Speaker 1: after winning a title, and he's got his team like
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  Speaker 1: in fourth place in the Western Conference with the best
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  Speaker 1: player in the world. That's like an old conversation because
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  Speaker 1: Luca's is so so big. Last night was great. It
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  Speaker 1: was a great game. He was on fire. I love
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  Speaker 1: the way JJ Reddick handled at the end. They went
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  Speaker 1: into a timeout after he scored one more basket to
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  Speaker 1: basically seal the game. Came out of it. He filed
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  Speaker 1: the guy. They brought him off. The fans were sharing
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  Speaker 1: it was just such come up and so great, so
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  Speaker 1: many fire and Nico chants. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm on the other side of it, people like
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  Speaker 2: were so upset and remember just during the SUPERWL week
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  Speaker 2: everyone was shocked by it. I am another way where
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  Speaker 2: it's like, this is why I kind of love the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: because it's like we all know it's kind of rigged,
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  Speaker 2: and what world does the best player. It'd be like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Joe bro being traded to the Bears, like
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense, just sending the guy from Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: to Chicago. Same thing here. It's like of course he
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  Speaker 2: went to the Lakers. It's like of all the teams
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  Speaker 2: that he quietly went to and had to be the Lakers.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, I've loved it. It feels like it
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  Speaker 2: brought some life into the NBA this season, where not
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  Speaker 2: that it was a boring season any measures, but it
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  Speaker 2: was like these teams people didn't care about Oklahoma City
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  Speaker 2: in Cleveland. It's like, Okay, at least we have the Lakers.
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  Speaker 2: Like the fact that this brought a whole spark of
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  Speaker 2: the league. I've loved it. So yeah, last night it's
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  Speaker 2: it's the best night too, is a better because it's
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  Speaker 2: like I did the Chalky bet bet on Luca Points,
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  Speaker 2: bet on them to win the game, and yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: showed up and just absolutely dominated. So yeah, that was
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  Speaker 2: That was a really fun game.
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  Speaker 1: I love that for you. I love that the Master
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  Speaker 1: tease off today. In fact, it already has. Baseball is back,
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  Speaker 1: the Draft is looming. We had great NBA action last
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  Speaker 1: night with the MAVs and the Lakers. The NBA playoff
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  Speaker 1: are right around the corner. Joining us today to discuss
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  Speaker 1: all things sports and sports betting. A true Philly scumbag
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  Speaker 1: like the kind of better that We absolutely love our
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  Speaker 1: former colleague now working at the Ringer from the fighting
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  Speaker 1: city of Philadelphia. He came to our live share in
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  Speaker 1: Philly mainly because I made him Anthony Debundo.
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  Speaker 3: Good to be here.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll be honest, when you texted me to scout
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  Speaker 4: some locations, I was incredibly honored. I was like, of
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  Speaker 4: all the people that Chad knows in Philly, he's texting
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  Speaker 4: me to be like, hey, you know any bars that
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  Speaker 4: we could do the event, and the bar that you
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  Speaker 4: guys picked was on my list.
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  Speaker 3: So that was very honored and then quite a story.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've talked to Evan Abrams about
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  Speaker 4: that night, but the adventure of getting him to the
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  Speaker 4: Amtrak train at thirtieth Street was one I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Number one, I texted you because you're our audience,
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  Speaker 1: like sweet guy, probably bets too much love sports representative
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  Speaker 1: of the Philly scumbag ethos. Also, you were raised in
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  Speaker 1: a bar, so I figure like, if anybody is going
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  Speaker 1: to know where like a good time could be had
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  Speaker 1: for people like him, it would be you. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: heard the Evan Abrams story. I don't really care. As
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  Speaker 1: all right now, I'm getting dreamed here for not wanting
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  Speaker 1: to know about Evan Abram, So go ahead, tell us
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  Speaker 1: the Evan Abram story. Please Anthony share.
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  Speaker 4: So if you remember like that Thursday night game, it
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  Speaker 4: was Niners Rams. It was one of the worst Thursday
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  Speaker 4: night games maybe played all year, which was unfortunate. But
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  Speaker 4: Evan had a train that he had to make that
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  Speaker 4: was getting back to New York and it was either
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  Speaker 4: make that train or wait like two hours and beyond,
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  Speaker 4: like the Midnight Express that you really don't ever want
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  Speaker 4: to be on on the Amtrak Northeast Regional.
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  Speaker 3: And so he's like, I got fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think we can make it from you know,
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  Speaker 4: Wicked Wolf Downtown Center City, Philadelphia all the way out
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  Speaker 4: to thirtieth Street. I'm like, yeah, we'll make it. So
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  Speaker 4: you're driving him or I'm driving. Yes, I'm driving. So
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  Speaker 4: I am trying to hit or hit, you know, get
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  Speaker 4: through these lights. And we hit maybe every light possible
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  Speaker 4: in the ten minutes. And you know, we've all done
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  Speaker 4: this before, like the will you make it? Won't they
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  Speaker 4: make it? So we pull up to the corner that's
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  Speaker 4: opposite thirtieth Street and the train is taking off in
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  Speaker 4: two minutes. I'm like, dude, you're never gonna make it
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  Speaker 4: if we sit at this red light. So he just
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  Speaker 4: jets out of the car. He's sprinting across the street.
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  Speaker 4: Backpack on his pants are falling down. I'm watching him
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  Speaker 4: like trying to pull up his pants as he's running
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  Speaker 4: across the street. People are honking at him because he's
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  Speaker 4: basically you know, the light is green and he's like
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  Speaker 4: just running through traffic. Here there's a scene from a movie.
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  Speaker 4: So he runs into the platform. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 4: Now did he make the train? Did he not make
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  Speaker 4: the train? And I'm driving home waiting for the text
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  Speaker 4: to pop up from Evan. He said, you won't believe this,
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  Speaker 4: and I couldn't believe it. But I got to the platform,
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  Speaker 4: the trade started to close and started rolling away, So
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  Speaker 4: I jumped onto the sidecar until the conductor saw me
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  Speaker 4: and then eventually opened the door. So he made this
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  Speaker 4: train by like five seconds. Technically didn't even make the train.
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  Speaker 1: And I just pumped jumped onto this like was the
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  Speaker 1: door closed? Was he like Tom Cruise and mission impossible?
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  Speaker 1: Holding onto the side of the train while it was
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  Speaker 1: leaving the station.
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  Speaker 3: That's how it reads to me. I don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, wouldn't they emergency stopped the train right
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  Speaker 1: in their tracks? It would be a delay and Evan
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  Speaker 1: would probably get arrested. Like you can't jump on the
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  Speaker 1: train and just be on it as it slowly, holding
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  Speaker 1: on by your fingertips to the door.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he did. He did mention that he got screamed
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  Speaker 2: at Philadelphia style for doing it, but as a man
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  Speaker 2: of New York born and raised, that it made no
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  Speaker 2: difference to Evan. It was a past fail test. The
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  Speaker 2: guy opened the door and had thus lost, so he
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  Speaker 2: happily took a seat. But yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was a Tom Cruise asked moment for our own Evan.
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  Speaker 1: Abrams, and this is the one time he doesn't join
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  Speaker 1: the show. Unbelievable, seriously unreal.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: Respect was gained for Evan that night. For me, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know that he had that in him. Sprinting across
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  Speaker 4: the street through traffic, running down the platform, jumping onto
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  Speaker 4: a slowly moving train to save an hour and a
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  Speaker 4: half of sitting at thirtieth Street in a dark Thursday
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  Speaker 4: night and boring rain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Evan's got a lot of dog in him, a
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  Speaker 1: lot like hardcore New York City raised, grew up betting sports.
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  Speaker 1: God knows what else. I don't think like a slow
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  Speaker 1: rolling train out of Philly is gonna scare him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say, we have one producer in
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  Speaker 2: Evan that can make that run that jump, and our
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  Speaker 2: other producer, Gifford simply falls down the subway stairs and
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  Speaker 2: breaks his hip. Just two totally different men in this world.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, dude, that story have been told on this
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  Speaker 3: show before?
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: Has that story been told on this show before?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna tell it, Go ahead and tell it.
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  Speaker 4: So what was it last? It was wild Card weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Four, twenty twenty three, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think, No, No, it was it was last year. It
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  Speaker 4: was it was the Yeah, it was Wilder our weekend
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  Speaker 4: last year. And he had left to go back to
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  Speaker 4: Hoboken on the Path Train, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: Christina Ventura, who used to work at Action, she came
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  Speaker 4: in and was like, is anybody sober at this party?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I raised my hand. She's like,
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  Speaker 3: gif Herd needs help.
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  Speaker 4: So here we are, Christina and I go into try
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  Speaker 4: to find which entrance of the Path Train at twenty
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  Speaker 4: third and sixth.
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  Speaker 3: He's on a street, right. It was pouring rain on
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  Speaker 3: flooding the stage by the way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we find him and he's just like sitting
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  Speaker 4: there on the steps, like just wincing in pain. And
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  Speaker 4: we eventually you know, Christina stayed with him and we
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  Speaker 4: got his stuff, and you know today took care of him.
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  Speaker 3: I think he was in surgery like two days later.
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  Speaker 1: But he broke his hip.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he done it before.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he was turning thirty. He broke his hip
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  Speaker 1: for the second time. It was the other hip. So
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  Speaker 1: now we've got one producer who is so bold he
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  Speaker 1: will jump on a moving train rather than spend another
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  Speaker 1: two freaking hours in Philadelphia, and one producer who is
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  Speaker 1: so fragile he's already got more hip injuries than my
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  Speaker 1: eighty five year old mother in law.
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  Speaker 3: So the Dreams crew, it probably goes really well on
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  Speaker 3: a Hinge prompt.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I can see why Dbundo ran out of
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  Speaker 1: here as fast as he possibly could. Once Bill called.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, I cannot work with these people anymore. Yeah, anyways,
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  Speaker 1: baseball season started, Simon, do you want to commiserate with
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  Speaker 1: your fellow Philly fanatic for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's jump into it. Brother. It's you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: both huge Phillies guys. You know, Zerrilla came on here,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, he was not, you know, giving out
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  Speaker 2: the Phillies over, which was a to me, what we
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  Speaker 2: know about the Phillies this year, Like, we're off to
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  Speaker 2: a great start. What's gonna carry us the bundo? Is
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  Speaker 2: it our pitching? Is it our bats? Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're already the same spot they need, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they need to change the lineup already because we have
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  Speaker 2: a couple of dead bats in the middle of the lineup. Like,
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  Speaker 2: what's your view on the Phillies for this upcoming season?
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  Speaker 2: You think they're gonna keep staying hopping the second best
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  Speaker 2: team in baseball? Or do you think they're gonna fall off? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's funny how the Phillies have changed.
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  Speaker 4: So they used to be back in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: when they first made the run and burst onto the scene,
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  Speaker 4: it was like, oh, they're your lovable Beer League softball team.
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  Speaker 4: They hit a bunch of homers and you know, they
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  Speaker 4: don't really play defense, and their pitching is kind of iffy.
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  Speaker 4: But really, like, the reason the Phillies are good in
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is their rotation. And I think when
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  Speaker 4: you look at this rotation, this group of four and
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  Speaker 4: Ranger Suarez is coming back eventually five pitchers, they're the
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  Speaker 4: best and most reliable rotation in baseball. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: for all the talk about the Dodgers preseason and this
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  Speaker 4: incredible rotation of names, it only took fourteen games for
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  Speaker 4: them to start too. Dude who most people have never
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  Speaker 4: heard of because of injuries and certain guys missing time.
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  Speaker 4: So the Phillies with Wheeler and Nola and Chris Sanchez
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  Speaker 4: breakout and Lozardo him having a couple of great starts
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  Speaker 4: here and looking really good. They're in every game like
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  Speaker 4: it's very hard to beat them in a kind of
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  Speaker 4: a laugher because they're just They're pitching is so good
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  Speaker 4: and so reliable, and you know, there's still a lot
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  Speaker 4: of star power in this lineup. I know they're getting older,
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  Speaker 4: but they're not old. They're older, but they're not old.
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  Speaker 1: Well, define like their window, what is older? Like when
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  Speaker 1: do they get old?
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  Speaker 3: That's the big question I've said.
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  Speaker 4: So Zach Wheeler signed a three year extension, so he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be pitching for the next three years.
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  Speaker 3: I think that is their window.
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  Speaker 4: So long as Wheeler is as dominant as he's been,
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  Speaker 4: and he's been you could argue the best pitcher over
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  Speaker 4: the last five years cumulative in baseball.
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  Speaker 3: As long as he's throwing.
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  Speaker 4: And as long as Harper and Turner and Schwerber are
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  Speaker 4: producing at the heart of this lineup, I think they're
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  Speaker 4: going to be in that mix. And it's not that
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  Speaker 4: they don't have prospects, because they've got a guy Andrew
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  Speaker 4: Painter who's coming up June July, and he's gonna be,
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  Speaker 4: you know, one of the top pitching prospects in baseball.
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  Speaker 4: He could be kind of the gap, the bridging of
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  Speaker 4: the gap. He could be in the bullpen come playoff time.
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  Speaker 4: There are certainly holes with the Phillies. They are the
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  Speaker 4: third oldest lineup in baseball, but a lot of these
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  Speaker 4: guys are like thirty one to thirty three. It's not
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  Speaker 4: like they're relying on a bunch of thirty six year
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  Speaker 4: olds who are on their last legs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, say, I agree with that. That's the fear is
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  Speaker 2: that it's it's not that they're super old, they're just
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  Speaker 2: at the age where these guys get those little injuries.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's the fear, right Like we've already had. You know,
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  Speaker 2: even last year, Bryce Harper messed a decent amount of time.
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  Speaker 2: He came back and obviously he was trying to get
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  Speaker 2: into it, but he just wasn't not the same player
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  Speaker 2: as he was before the injury. And even this season,
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  Speaker 2: like you just talked about, the Dodgers have already had
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  Speaker 2: a couple of guys get hurt, and it's like, that's
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  Speaker 2: my fear of this Phillies teams. We're going to be
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  Speaker 2: cruising and then come July, might have one or two
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  Speaker 2: of these starters down have a couple of bats miss
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  Speaker 2: from the lineup, and it feels like they're done at
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  Speaker 2: that point. So yeah, to me, what you just talked about,
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  Speaker 2: the Phillies needed to get off to a hot start.
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  Speaker 2: Then the Cubs that, like, you know, these couple of
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  Speaker 2: teams that needed a good start have had the good start.
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  Speaker 2: So I think feel like you're in the same boat
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  Speaker 2: as me Athany. I'm pretty happy. Is this the way
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  Speaker 2: this season has been gun. As a Phillies fan, it
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  Speaker 2: feels like we are on the top three, top four
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  Speaker 2: teams in baseball right now.
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  Speaker 3: And Atlanta's too and nine.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's you know, that's rare, right, So seeing
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  Speaker 4: them all the way down there and you know they'll
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  Speaker 4: have a rubber match with Atlanta, But if they're able
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  Speaker 4: to win tonight Thursday, and they're able to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: win two out of three against the Dodgers and the
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  Speaker 4: Braves to start the season. I mean that's a really
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  Speaker 4: encouraging sign because you know, the na L is really
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  Speaker 4: really deep. You look at the Padres, the Giants kind
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  Speaker 4: of surprising early this season, but especially the Mets and
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  Speaker 4: the Braves and the Dodgers, Like there's so many teams.
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  Speaker 4: It's a much more top heavy league than the even
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  Speaker 4: the American League is where everybody's kind of jumbled in
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  Speaker 4: the middle there. So it's going to be really competitive
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  Speaker 4: for those top spots.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at a two and nine Brave seam,
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  Speaker 1: this is a question for both of you. Do you
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  Speaker 1: see futures opportunity? This team is too good not to
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  Speaker 1: turn it around. Strange start, they've been historically bad. Like
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  Speaker 1: runners in scoring position, it's wild even you know, Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: night against Philly they had i think nine runners left
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  Speaker 1: in the first five innings. Those are the kind of
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  Speaker 1: things you just kind of expect.
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  Speaker 3: To even out.
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  Speaker 4: They're pitching depth, I think is a real question, like
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  Speaker 4: is Sale going to be as good as he was
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  Speaker 4: last year?
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  Speaker 3: Do they have enough starters? There's a lot more holes.
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  Speaker 4: Than I think people realize about Atlanta, but I think certainly,
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  Speaker 4: like they're down to like minus one fifty to make
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs, that might be a good bi low opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're also I mean, the thing that's working
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  Speaker 2: against them, I feel like in the futures market is
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: the fact that they are in the division with the
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Mets and the Phillies. Like the Mets look like a
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: pretty well put together team at this point. So, like
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Anthony just said, the value is going to be on Atlanta,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Like there is really no difference between them and the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Phillies and then Mets. They're all kind of the same team.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: They're all well built, they have a ton of talent.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Zerrilla gave out Spencer the starting
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: pitcher for the Braves, like a crazy number for Cy Young,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: He's already in the top ten right now for futures market.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, Atlanta's got the arms, they
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: got the bats. It's like what Anthony just said, They've
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: been crazy unlucky and they had a tough start, right
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: They just played the Dodgers and the Phillies like two
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: of the best teams in baseball.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: And the Padres too.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like where your head's at. Chat. That's
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: probably a smart time to maybe jump in. Or you
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: can wait until they lose the series against the Phillies
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: and you get even better odds.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Like where your head's at. See I think about opportunity.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I see the whole goddamn board. Simon, Hey, speaking of board,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: how do you like this transition? The NFL Draft is
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: coming up? Anthony loves the Indianapolis Colts. I don't know.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Why sacrilegists in Philly. To be honest, what's that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: It's pretty sacrilegious of me as a Philly guy, but
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: it's I'm not.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Gonna let you. The first time he told me, I like,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: did side at him. I'm like, what the fuck, dude,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: you're a Philly guy?
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: He thought Simon the first time I met him, He's like, dude,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: you're always praising Dak on Twitter, Like, are you a
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Cowboys fan? I'm like, no, I'm just a Colts fan
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: who likes Stack thinks he's good.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: But it is weird because you are such a Philly
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: dude that it's weird to me you would escape the
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: clutches of the Eagles and then not just that root
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: for the most random, nondescript, no personality team. And it's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: not like, I mean, you're still a fucking baby. So
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it's not like Peyton Manning was in his prime as
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you were going through your teenage years of fandom.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Andrew Luck was in this prime when I was going
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: through my teenage years of fandom.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: No.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I think the origin story is weird but pretty simple.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: And it's that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: So my dad owned a sports bar in South Philly
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: for many, many years, so the Eagles were always on,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: and I was always around the Eagles, but he was
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: never that big of an Eagles fan. And my other
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: biggest sports influence is my older cousin who's like a
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: brother to me and grew up around the corner and
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: he was a Colts fan from his family. So we
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: just watched Colts games and I kind of copycatted him
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: when I was, you know, six five years old. And
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: did it help that the Colts were good? Sure, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Peyton Manning was pretty good in two thousand and four,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: but you know, it kind of just stuck. And then
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: when you know, they got rid of Peyton, I became
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a Colts fan who also rooted for Peyton, and then
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: I kind of just stuck with it, and honestly, I
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: joked about this the last few months because of the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Eagles wining the Super Bowl.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Probably a bad choice. I feel like I made a
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: bad organizational decision there.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: I should have been an Eagles fan and just rode
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: with the crowd because they've won, you know, two super
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Bowls in the last eight years, and I was the
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: guy that was like, eh, yeah, you know, happy for
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: my friends, happy for my family who are Eagles fans,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: but don't don't get moved by it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: So it's been a weird place.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Now we've got interesting quarterback selections at the top of
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the draft, potentially cam Ward Schador Sanders. A few years
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: ago Muller's scenario, there were a lot of quarterback options.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: The Colts won with Anthony Richardson. Simon loves Anthony Richardson
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: at the time for his upside. We had a long
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: conversation with Kevin Clark about the value of drafting for upside.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: But then how you have to sort of nurture that
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: talent and you can't just sort of walk away from it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You have to know what you're getting into. You look
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: at Anthony Richardson, to me, he's such a wild card
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: as a better and as for me as a better,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: but also he's a wild card as a talent. Do
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you look at it as someone who's watching this team
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: very closely but also betting regularly and see Anthony Richardson
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: as someone you would like to invest in as fan
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and better?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: So I thought it was the for all the reasons
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: you talked about the Colts, you know, the nickname of
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Indianapolis being Naptown for all those years, the patients and
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: sometimes astonishing patients that the Colts have had, and maybe
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: too much patients their front office has showed. I thought
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: that was the perfect organization for Anthony because, like you said,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: he needed the time, He needed an organization and a
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: fan base who wasn't going to go turn on him
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: after eight games, after sixteen games. But it has certainly
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: been a rocky two years, and he's only played a
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: handful of games because of injury, and so I think
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: that is the most alarming thing for me as a fan.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: As a better the Colts were better last season when
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Richardson played, They were better against the number. They had
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: a bunch of close losses and covers. The I think
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Richardson at one point was seven and one ats because
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: his running ability.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: In the red zone is effective.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: His running ability enables them to run the ball better
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: with Jonathan Taylor, things they were not getting with Joe Flacco.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: And so there were plenty of bad but there was
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: also so much explosiveness in that team that you just
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: don't quite have with most quarterbacks. And so I have
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: no problem with the pick with chasing the upside as
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: a better going into this season.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I think you're gonna know pretty quickly.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: You're gonna be able to tell even in training camp,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: even in preseason. Richardson's mechanics is throwing mechanics, because they
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: haven't been great. He's struggled with the intermediate throws, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: he has a new throwing coach. He's working with the
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: guy who helped fix Josh Allen's mechanics. So that's what
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: we're clinging to as Colts fans and as potential over
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: seven and a half betters. But I think there's definitely
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: some kind of you know, stuck in the middle that
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: the Colts have. They've been sitting in this seven to
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: ten win range for basically since the day Andrew Luck retired,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and so it's been very weird to figure out how
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: they get to that next echelon in this this loaded AFC.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Simon, please share with me your thoughts on Anthony's thoughts
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: on Anthony Richardson.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot, it's unpacked, just because they are
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a team that that you know, my knock against them
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: is that they are part of this group of loud
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: owners loud ownership that seems like they keep trying to
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: run their own ship and that's the last thing you
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: want in football. And you know we've seen prime examples.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I mean just in one year of different ownership down
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in Washington, right, he went from an owner that couldn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: stop being meddling in their business. You know, for sure,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: if he was still the owner of Washington, he would
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: have taken Drake May last year with Jade Daniels like
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it's it's not checking all that that they got rid
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: of him and they took the right quarterback for their
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: organization in Washington and with the Colts, I thought Anthony
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Richard at the time was the right pick. And you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you go back and you look and go, yeah, sure
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the dream would have been if CJ would have felt
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: them right, or if they would have traded up to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that three spot, taken him over the Texans, and we
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: talked chat at the time like that draft was going
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to define this division over the next four to five
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: years or even longer. It was even quicker than that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: It was year one. CJ came out, won the division
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and now he's back to back champions of this division.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Will Levis already out of a job, right. They're gonna
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: draft km Ward this year and we just talked with
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Anthony richardson he might get beat out in camp by
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones simply because Daniel Jones he is gonna be
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: better than Anthony Richards and a lot of stuff that,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the intermediate throws, reading in a defense, all
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: of that, he's gonna have a leg up on him.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: So you know, we're gonna learn a lot Chad this
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: upcoming season that it's gonna be ownership that's kind of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: have to step and say we want Anthony Richards to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: be the quarterback here or the coach. I'd be shocked
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: if he didn't say, well, Daniel Jones is outplayed in
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the camp. We have to start Daniel Jones here. So
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: for the Colts, I hate it because it's like to me,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: they should just roll Anthony richards once again. You know
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you hopefully you see something from him this year three,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: and if you don't, obviously you move on from him
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: to the quarterback position because Daniel Jones gets you what, Chad,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: eight and nine, nine and eight. Maybe a playoff birth
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: because you're in such a weak division. But to me,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: it's just it's a loser move. It's a no win move.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I feel like I can hear in Anthony's
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: voice here a little bit of just like there's no hope,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: but there's still a little bit of hope that he
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: shows up this offseason, had put in the work right,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: got the right coaching staff, worked with the right QB
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: coach and doesn't make that year three change, or it
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: sucks like you've just wasted three years of the team.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: And like he knows, they're losing offensive lineman Jonathan Taylor
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: is getting older like this, they might be for a
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: full rebuild these next couple of years if things just
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: go sour here, Chad, So it's bad.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Here's the one thing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson and cam Ward were born three days apart.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: He's still only twenty two years old, and so maybe
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: it never happens. But this is the guy who barely
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: played in college, and so if you're betting on the upside,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: like you said, they needed to be patient, they needed
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to be able to wait.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: It out, and I can't.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: I always come back to that fact, which is just
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: that this guy is still only twenty two, and if
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: you treat him like he's coming in for and I'm
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: treating this like his year two because I thought his
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: year one he only played four games before he got
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: the shoulder injury. He was off for the year, so
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: you can't really evaluate that he didn't get a normal offseason.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: So I'm treating this like his year two. And this
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: is kind of the make or break year, but maybe
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: it shouldn't even be because of how young he is
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: and how raw he is. But again, you know in
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: the NFL, they're not going to let you just sit
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: around and burn three or four years developing a quarterback
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: who came in the league at twenty.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Well. I wonder if Shane Steiken bears some of the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: responsibility in year two because he was brilliant in year
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: one as a play caller, right, and what he did
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: with Gardner Minshew and how he sort of turned that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: team around in year two, I felt like there were
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: probably and we look, we watched a lot of Colts
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: games because we were always betting on the Colts because
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: we always felt they were undervalued. And most of the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: time that you noted Anthony, they cashed and sort of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: rewarded us with our courage. But there were a few
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: times where Anthony Richardson in games that he both covered
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and didn't cover, was putting bad spots and making bad
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: decisions because of the play calling, and that was just
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: weird to me. Like Shane Steiken, I thought he was
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the reason why the Eagles had won the Super Bowl
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and all of a sudden
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he wasn't looking as smart as I thought he was.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: It's the same cycle because the Eagles had Frank Reich
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: as the offensive coordinator, Doug Peterson was the head coach.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: They won the Super Bowl in twenty seventeen, and then
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Reich left to take the Colts job, and Reich immediately
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: had success as a Colts coach. You know, Andrew Luck
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: was the quarterback in twenty eighteen, and the Eagles kind
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: of had a steady descent, and the belief in Philly
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: at time was that Reich was the real genius, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: it was in Peterson.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Fast forward three years. Both guys are now out of the.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: League, so I guess maybe who knows, But the same
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: cycle happened with Sirianni and Stichen, where Steichen was seen
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: as the genius. When the Eagles had this unbelievable collapse
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: last year, it was Stiking, it was Gad and Sirianni's loss.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: He doesn't know what he's doing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: He should be fired. Everybody wanted him fire in Philly.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Anybody who says otherwise is probably lying. And yet we
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: come around and Stichan's on the hot seat ish entering
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: this season, and Sirianni's is your bull champ. So it's
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: just funny how we craft these like narratives based on
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: a handful of games and we end up being completely
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: right sometimes and completely wrong another time.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: What does that say about anything we're doing?
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe we don't know as
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: much as we think we know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know we know more than we think we know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: or we know less than we think we know, but
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: we definitely don't know exactly the amount that we just
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: we know.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: We just want to be right like fifty four percent
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: of the time.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Speaking of being right fifty four percent of the time,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: what was your take on the Favorites constantly covering last
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: year and how is that impacting some of your off
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: season prep work.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I don't want to take anything into consideration from last
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: season in terms of overreacting to a great Favorites run.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Now that could cost me a lot of money in
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: the upcoming fall.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: But I just what has fundamentally changed in the league.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe tanking is becoming more of a thing,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: so in weeks like thirteen to eighteen, you maybe reconsider
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: some of those ugly ugly underdogs. But even still, like
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: the Giants still beat the Colts this year, there were
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: still like, you know, games where upsets happened, the Panthers
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: beating the Falcons on the final final game to knock
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: them out of playoff contention.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So I think sometimes these things happen.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: And I'm trying not to make bold proclamations about like
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: what it means about football going forward, because I don't know.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Nothing that's really happening in the league is so different
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: than it used to be. Like teams are going forward
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: on fourth down more, I guess maybe that helps favorites.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Well help that can't be. I don't disagree with you,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: like we shouldn't be overreacting. A lot of the work
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I've been doing this offseason has made me think maybe
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I don't want to overreact. I think Simon feels differently.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: But teams going forward on fourth down, that's that's the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: ball game, that's not a let's just dismiss this one
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: little fact from the equation. That is the fact, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: that is sort of the line of demarcation between I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: think people who are going to account for it and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: make changes in people who aren't. Anthony, you can respond, Simon,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I would like your response after that, this is our
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: little MW. Blacklin group.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: But how do you try to predict it?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, going in the last the Commanders were
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: like one hundred and eight percent on fourth down last year.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's I don't think that's sustainable.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I think the actual number was like eighty something. Do
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: you say they're going to automatically be better than every
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: other team on fourth down because of Jayden and Daniels?
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Do you say that was a one off? I don't know.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I think that's the big question I do think though,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: if the underdogs are going to start optimizing to try
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: to win games instead of playing not to lose, which
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: you see a lot. You see, like how many times
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: we see team in an underdog and they're like punting
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: on fourth and three. You know, if they're going for
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: it more, does that open up opportunities for the FA
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: favorites to get more margin? Maybe, But again it seems
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: very noisy to me year to year to be like, oh, actually,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: now favorites are gonna win at a big rate. And
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I think maybe there were just more bad teams than
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: usual last year, like also could have been part of it, Simon.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And my biggest hope is why Anthony Saint is
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: right of the fact that people like me are overadjusting.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: The sportsbooks over adjusts as well, and we get two
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to three extra free points of some of these dogs. Chat.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: That would be amazing obviously for us, because then of
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: course we'd feel more comfortable. But you know, even talking
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to the guys who've been doing it for a long time,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the change of either starting at your twenty after a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: kickoff or starting your thirty five now after a kickoff
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: is so massive, like it really is, especially with these
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: good teams where me and you talk about chat, if
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you pick up one first down, you were now at
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the forty five or the forty seven. Like that now
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: puts that team, especially with a good quarterback that you
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: believe in, in the driver's seat, where it is a
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: major difference. Where it's like we saw last year, these
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: bad quarterbacks, the coaches didn't have faith in them, so
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: instead of going for it on fourth and two, fourth
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and three from the opponents, you know, forty eight or
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: their own their own side of the ball, their own
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: forty eight, they just didn't do it right. They always
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: punted where the flip side the good teams went for it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I mean me and Chad had multiple multiple weeks of
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the dogs we bet were great in the first half,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and then the second half their teams were punting and
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the other team were going for a fourth downs And
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: that's simply where like even when I went through the numbers,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: we lost so many games on those type of scenarios
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: where historically we've always been good with the dogs, like
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the home dogs have been good to us. So my
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: biggest adjustment to it is I'm not going to react
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: to it. Right, I'm still gonna do what we always do, Chad,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: right in week one, Week two, it's always good to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: take the dogs, right. The public will always react and
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: bet from the previous season. My big adjustment will be
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: that middle of the season, right when me and you
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: are really going through it, and that's when we usually
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: laying to the dogs that we saw last year, that
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: run that I mean, Evan kept talking about every week.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: It was like the doll the favorites were hitting at
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: over sixty five percent, then it will get to seventy percent,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: and it was like, this isn't going down, this is
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: going up. And that never happens with the book. So
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: that's that's my biggest adjustment I'm going to make is
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go into the year hoping to bet dogs,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna be stubborn like I was last year. Like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: if there's a team like the Titans like they were
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: this year, Chad, the worst team of football, me and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you are gonna try out think it. We're gonna bet
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: against them, right, We're gonna fade that bad quarterback because
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that's going to be profitable in the way the league
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: has gone. So I'm interesting, You're Anthony's viewing that where
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it's like I love betting on bad quarterbacks. That's really
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: shifted after last season where it's like we're dead, Like
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: these guys don't go for an on fourth down because
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: they know the quarterback sucks. Why would you ever go
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: for it with Will Levis on fourth down? You know
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you're gonna lose that battle every time. When they did,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: they lost sixteen straight games against the spread, something we
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: never seen before. So where are you at with that?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Anthony ben Johnson made a really interesting comment the other
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: day about how EPA on passes is now more predicted
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: than turnover margin in football. That was really interesting to
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: me because I think a lot of times when we
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: watch games, we're like, oh, yeah, like the box score
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: was pretty even, but that one team they had like
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: three fluky turnovers.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: That's not going to continue.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: We need to start looking at this, I think from
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: like a quarterback passing game perspective and maybe overweight you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks again. And it's simple and it's square right to
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, you know, I don't want to bet
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Will Levis against insert good quarterback here. But as this
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: continues to trend, it's going to be really really hard
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: for the math to make sense as offenses get more efficient,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: and one of the things you mentioned about early season.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Early season offenses were certainly down, like the first four weeks,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: even the good teams were not as efficient offensively. I
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: wonder if that's a knock on from preseason, you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: the preseason being dead. Do we see unders and underdogs
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: do better early and then the favorites kind of like
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: lock in kicking the gear, sort some things out and
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: play at a higher level down the stretch seems to
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: be especially with the extra week now and more playoff teams,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: there's more margin for air for you to be like, ah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: you know, we're two and two four weeks and we
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: haven't looked very good and then we figured it out and.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Easy teams to jump out for that what you just
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: said are like teams that liked the Eagles last year
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: had new coordinators. Detroit. It's gonna be a rough in
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Detroit those first couple of weeks, right, They've lost their
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: offensive mind and their defensive mind, and you know, it
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: was really interesting. Brandon Graham was just recently on a
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: show with Kelsey Brothers and he talked about that losing
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl, losing both gain and shiking, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: he was just talking about they had new coaches coming
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and he was just like, I don't know about these dudes.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And then they got rid of them, and his next
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: year they had new coaches in again. Last year and
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: he said fans came in and Kick clearly told them
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the Eagles defense. He's like, you guys are lazy and
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: you're losers, and just basically talked shit to them for
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the first three months, and he said it sucked like
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: they all hated him. They said it was brutal, and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: then they started doing well and winning and he started
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: being cool with them. As time went on, he said,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: we just kept getting better and better. He's went along
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and that's that to me, is what you're talking about here,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, these guys come in the preseason,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: it's it's them trying to fix bad habits, not so
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: much to them learning a new d defensive scheme and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So it is gonna interest see these
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: teams that have new coordinators coming in big differences. Are
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: we gonna have an advantage there? Chat trying to fade
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: those teams that you know people are still going to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: perceive this Detroit offense being of the best office on football.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: How do you not think losing you know, an offensive
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: genius in Ben Johnson is not gonna be a big deal.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be. So. I think there's
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: gonna be some opportunity thus early on in the season
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to fade some of these teams Chad and maybe.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: By Low, you know, midseason kind of thing, because they're
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: still very talented in Detroita.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You mean like buying the Atlanta Braves Low. Yes, it's
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: interesting what you say about Ben Johnson. I saw that
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: same quote about EPA, and EPA has sort of become
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the favorite stat of the NFL geekarate and at some
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: point doesn't that just become overvalued, Like if everyone is
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: incorporating into their model, if everyone is leaning into it,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it's very hard to look at that and say, Okay,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that's my north star of metrics when I'm thinking about
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a play that I'm going to.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Make for sure, and it's also not opponent adjusted usually,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: so that's another part of it, which you know DVOA,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: which I think was the original Digraatti. That one was
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: at least opponent adjusted, but it was harder to understand
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: and grasp. I think than EPA is because people can
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: kind of understand like positive negative, and you know what
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: impacts certain outlier plays can have.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I like success rate.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: I think success rate is still king for me in
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: terms of like predictive value because you see these teams
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: and yes, explosiveness matters, but you know, you see these
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: teams that run off a couple of handful of extreme
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: outlier plays every game to juice their EPA numbers or
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: to do certain things. You can also do EPA without turnovers,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: so there's ways to maybe massage and look look a
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: little deeper than just baseline EPA because there's all kinds
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: of there's almost too many stats now when it comes
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: to evaluating these football games.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I agree and like, I love success rate, but then
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you think about success rate and it's kind of it's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: naturally evened out and doesn't account for the explosiveness that
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: is the ultimate game changer, literally in every single game
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: that determines if you're going to win or lose a bet. Right,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: none of these games go flat, right, there's there are EKGs,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: and success rate is a metric that is a flat line,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: whereas the explosiveness you need to be able to account
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: for it like.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Right, what is trench warfare? Success rate is the trench?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: You're in the trench? Chinda, Yeah, move the trench ten
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: yards one way and then move it back ten yards
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: and then somebody throws a grenade and blows up.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And it's all over and success rate success rate can't
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: beat a grenade, right, It's like rock, paper scissors, grenade
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: greater than success rate.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe we need to call it the new stat That's
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: what we need. I'm always thinking about that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: We need a new stat. I think I might figure
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: one out. I think I'm getting it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Might have to be, might have to be.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: I feel like the luck rankings are somewhat of that nature,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: like which laves more actually have been expected score.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: The luck rankings are brilliant and and you're absolutely right,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and shame on us for not mentioning that sooner, because
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: they are sort of a revolutionary stat that Nick Giffen
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and Sean Kerner and Billy Warden and have sort of
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: worked on and thought a lot about it, and it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: obviously a really important part of what Simon and I
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: do during the season. We we love it, but now
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: we've talked about it too much. Other people might be
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: using it too.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: And nothing.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Nothing stays. Nothing that's any good stays stays hidden forever.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Two or three years ago, used to go on Payoff
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Pitch with Zarillo. We used to talk about Stuff Plus
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: how much we loved it. We had the charts and
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: we were discussing it. And now all I do on
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: baseball Twitter, everybody's talking about Stuff Plus and I'm like, uh,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: it might be might be solved. People might know too
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: much about it now, might have to zag and go
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the other way.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Hey, you just came off a great run in college
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: basketball betting first to ten. I think yes, you could
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: follow that in the award winning Action Network app where
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you're posting your picks explain yourself.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: So you know, you watch certain college basketball teams, you
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: start to notice patterns. And I it was a tournament
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: of the Favorite, right, so everybody was like, oh, I
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: got this dog plus eight and a half, and they
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: might be tied for a bit, but then they just
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: the favorite goes on a twenty zero run and you're
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: drawing dead by the under twelve in the second half.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: And so Saint John's was playing Arkansas, and this was
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: the Friday night before and I was talking with John
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Destremsky on our pod and we were talking about, hey,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: like we I liked Arkansas a little bit, but I thaid,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I think they can hit him early. Saint John's have
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: been slow starters all year, which let's do Arkansas race
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: at ten. Like people have been having fun with these bets,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: you like to take the underdog. Arkansas came out red hot.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: I think it was like ten to two. I'm like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: this was easy. I should do this more often. So
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: it started with fading Saint John's and Michigan State, who
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: were two with these like overrated teams that started slow
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: every game, and we went to and oh and then
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, well, now that I'm having
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: fun with this, let's do one per day for the
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: rest of the tournament.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: So we went out against.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Alabama and BYU got run out of the gym, but
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: not in the first ten points. They didn't, so we
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: were three and oh and then I'm like, okay, we
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: get the fate of Michigan State again.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: We had all miss and then Texas Tech.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: So we kept betting all these underdogs and they kept
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: losing the game, but they kept winning the race to ten.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: So it was really fun, and it ultimately culminated in
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: an eight and oh run, which came down to just
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: two incredible finishes.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: The last two.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Games, Auburn was eight eight against Florida and they fouled
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Jani Broom, who's a sixty percent free throw shooter, and
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I'm running through the scenario. I'm like, all right, so
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: he's gonna make one of two. Florida's gonna come down,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: They're gonna make a basket.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna lose. He nails both free throws. We're good.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: And then in the National Championship, like the mania had
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: gotten so crazy, I had two friends text me. They're like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: I've never placed a sports bet in my life, but
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I'm on Houston with you. Race to ten ten dollars bet,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Like one guy had ten dollars, one guy had twenty dollars.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: They're down eight six, they get a basket, Walter Clayton
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: makes the worst pass you've ever seen.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: They turn it over.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: But now it's the media timeout, so I'm like shaking
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: during the media timeout, being like, oh my gosh, we
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: got to wait four minutes for this game to come back.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: But I'm thinking Houston's going to have a good play
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: coming out of this time out. They run a beautiful
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: slip screen dunk posterization.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Me and my buddies are at softball.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: We're losing our minds celebrating because I had the whole
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: team on the bet and we finished the eight and
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: oh run and I'll bring it back next March.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: That is the ultimate to phileas scum bag degenerate run
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Well, because we're all going crazy and people are looking
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: at us, like from the other team, they're like, what's
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: going on? Like why are these guys yelling about the
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: basketball game?
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: It just started. We're like, well, they got to ten first.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: They lost the game too, by the way, So eight
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: and zero on the run the teams who got to
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: ten first, two and six when it comes to winning
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the game.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Before we let you go, we can't let you go
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: without noting that the Philadelphia seventy six ers are thirty
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: two games below five hundred, so, you know, decent chance
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: they get their top five protected pick. Decent chance, thirty
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: five percent chance they don't have any pick because they
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: have to give it to OKC, one of the best
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: teams in the league if it's below top five Cleveland
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: OKC number one number one in Eastern and Western Conference?
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on your NBA Finals winner?
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: So I don't know how it's not Cleveland or Boston
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: from the East based on some very very baseline level
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: analysis that I've done and listen to some of my
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: colleagues who follow it more closely than I do. But
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: in the West, I think it could be more interesting.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, okay, see, is historic really good And I
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: think maybe we'll all look back and be like, yeah, idiots,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: it was always going to be okay, see, look at
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: how good they are. But I think that's the difference
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: where there could be more parody, more intrigue, you.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Know, if you want to get really crazy.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I was joking around like if the Clippers stay healthy
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: and if James Harden, you know, we're asking for something
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: that usually doesn't happen.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: But if they do it, I think they have a
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: pretty high ceiling.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: They're like thirty thirty to one, thirty five to one
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: to win the finals, in like fifteen to one, sixteen
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: to one to win the West, so they would probably
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: be the team right now. I think if you're looking
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: to get in because the Warriors, the Lakers, like people
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: have caught onto them, the Thunder or the Thunder.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Who's the next team.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: It's probably the Clippers, but I kind of think, like
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: every other sport these days, it's probably just going to
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: be chocky with Oka see versus either Boston or Cleveland.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Probably Boston.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: There's some stat I can't remember, but similar to the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: NFL where the teams that have the shortest odds to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: start the season, like twelve to oh, twelve, twelve to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: one or less, that matchup usually plays out and one
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of those teams wins the Super Bowl. I can't remember
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: how long it's been to it's a team that was
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: outside the top four or five and shortest.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Odds to believe with Dallas Mavericks to win. Yeah, I
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: think Evan had some crazy stat like that was it?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: What you mean, the Dirk Mavericks.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The Dirk Mavericks, right, the longish odds in recent and
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: recent Yeah, that could be a yeah, I feel of
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Golden State first first time Golden State, right, Sorry, Yeah,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that was like everyone knew was coming, but no one
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: really knew. I think they were greater than what you
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: had saying it's ten to one.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, you usually takes something crazy to happen, Like,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: you know, the Raptors got their win, but then that
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: was when like the whole Warriors team ended up hurt
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: by the end of the finals, or you know, you
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: look at like even that whole run, like Kd's toe
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: is on the line or whatever. So yeah, over the years,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: it's been been pretty schocky. It looks that way now.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I mean we've had teams get to the finals. The
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Heat have gotten to the finals. I think that people
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: are shocked by that. But I think it's pretty shocking
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: that to actually win it is a different story. Like
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: even the MAVs last year came out of nowhere, but
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: they didn't win it, right, they got close.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: We got to end on a football there, Chad. So also,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: if forgot to mention the top of the show, gotta
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: download the Masters app if you're gambling on the Masters.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: The Masters App is the greatest thing ever invented for gamblers,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: So please download it. But Anthony, you're a Colts fan.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: You guys got to pick fourteen? Who the fuck do
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you want? If you take Sanders? Are you gonna kill yourself?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: What's gonna happen to pick fourteen?
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Years because I'll be very upset if we take Sanders.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I think I would be pretty shocked if we took Sanders.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: But you know, I think the tight ends are the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: two tight ends. Tyler Warren.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: There's no way Tyler Warren drops you. Chad's getting Tyler Warren.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think a lot of people are understanding
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: that we're probably not going to get him, but Loveland's
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: the next guy. Yeah, Well we are one pick ahead
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: of the Chargers, who a lot of people think Jimmy's
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: gonna want Loveland.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: So I think that we're kind of in that.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Mix for for Loveland and and that'll be where we
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: end up.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: But any of the receivers do you like or you don't?
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: You' He drafted a lot of receivers and they don't
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: usually take the first round. Just he'd like to take
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: second and third round receivers. Yeah, because Pittman was second round,
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  Speaker 4: Mitchell was second round, Pierce was second round. So they've
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  Speaker 4: liked the kind of that tier of receiver and you
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  Speaker 4: could argue maybe they should take a bigger shot. But
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, tight end has been a black
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  Speaker 4: and and.
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  Speaker 3: Uh and Derek Allen and Dwayne Allen.
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  Speaker 1: Way back in the day, Ken from Illinois, Dallas Clark,
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Clark. He was pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: But so they've had issues. They drafted, you know, some
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  Speaker 4: mid round guys that haven't quite panned out. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's something that they want to solidify. So I think
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  Speaker 4: tight end will be in the mix. If not, just
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  Speaker 4: always assume that Ballard will take some freaky eight defensive
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  Speaker 2: I would yeah, okay, I'll bet that.
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