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What happened to Rebekah? (Part 1 of 2) · The Knife: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: The claims and opinions in this podcast are those of
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  Speaker 2: the speaker and do not necessarily represent the Knife or
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  Speaker 2: Exactly Right Media.
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  Speaker 3: We used to watch Dateline and 2020 and all those
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  Speaker 3: shows and I'd go, how in the world did somebody
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  Speaker 3: go missing? How does that happen?
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  Speaker 4: And then here I found myself living it.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Knife. I'm Patia Eaton.
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  Speaker 2: This week, we have part one of a two-part series.
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  Speaker 2: Part two will air next week. Today, I'm speaking with
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  Speaker 2: Angela Mastrovito, the mother of Rebecca Barsotti. In the summer
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  Speaker 2: of 2021, Rebecca went missing in the small town of Superior, Montana.
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  Speaker 2: a place she'd only briefly returned to at the request
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  Speaker 2: of her estranged husband, David Barsotti. Rebecca's mother, Angela, tells
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  Speaker 2: us about her daughter, Rebecca, her life, and the events
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  Speaker 2: leading up to her strange disappearance. For Angela, the search
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  Speaker 2: for Rebecca that followed would leave more questions than answers.
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  Speaker 2: What really happened to Rebecca? Let's get into the interview.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Angela.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time to speak
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  Speaker 2: with me today.
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  Speaker 4: Certainly.
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  Speaker 3: I really appreciate the opportunity, Pasha, to be able to
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  Speaker 3: share awareness about Rebecca's story and about Rebecca's legacy and
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  Speaker 3: getting the information out there.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to start just back at the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: If you could tell us a little bit about yourself.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit about myself.
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  Speaker 3: I'm almost 70 years young and I am a wife
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  Speaker 3: and and a mom and a grandma. I myself was
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  Speaker 3: one of five siblings growing up. I lived in a
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  Speaker 3: blended family. My parents were divorced and used to go
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  Speaker 3: back and forth between mom's house and dad's house. I
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  Speaker 3: did grow up with what they would today call abuse.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there was fighting and hollering and throwing objects
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  Speaker 3: and all kinds of stuff and taking my age into consideration.
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  Speaker 4: At that point in time, people did not talk about this.
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  Speaker 3: And you didn't even know what was normal and what
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  Speaker 3: was abnormal because no one spoke of it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So I went into my adulthood with no real concept
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  Speaker 3: of what a normal relationship looked like. I... I've been
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  Speaker 3: married three times. The first one was emotionally abusive. The
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  Speaker 3: second one also emotionally abusive. And now I have a
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  Speaker 3: really good man. So I'm very thankful.
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  Speaker 2: During her first marriage, Angela gave birth to her son, Antonio.
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  Speaker 2: But the marriage ended and when Antonio, or Tony, was two,
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  Speaker 2: Angela remarried. But her second husband also became abusive, especially
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  Speaker 2: to her son, Tony.
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  Speaker 1: This was the.
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  Speaker 2: Early 1980s, and they were living in rural Virginia. Angela
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  Speaker 2: asked for help from local organizations, churches, and school counselors,
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  Speaker 2: but the help that she needed never came. So she
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  Speaker 2: and Tony found other ways to survive.
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  Speaker 3: It was at a time where you would go for
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  Speaker 3: help and no one would help you.
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  Speaker 4: The police would come and say, you look like a
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  Speaker 4: great family, work it out.
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  Speaker 1: Was there physical abuse then?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was excessive spanking and there was abuse there.
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  Speaker 3: Tony and I went to counseling and basically we were
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  Speaker 3: told how to learn all the warning signs. Don't put
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  Speaker 3: yourself in a corner. Make sure you're out of the
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  Speaker 3: house as often as you can be. So that was
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  Speaker 3: pretty much how we lived our life. We slept at home,
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  Speaker 3: but we didn't stay at home. And You know, when
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  Speaker 3: I had been trying to find ways to leave, and
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  Speaker 3: then when I found out I was pregnant, it was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh shit, what do I do now?
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  Speaker 4: I just took it as a.
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  Speaker 3: Sign that, you know, Rebecca was going to be my
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  Speaker 3: gift from God and that things were going to work out.
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  Speaker 3: Rebecca was and is my gift from God. When I
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  Speaker 3: was pregnant with her, I used to sit and sing
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  Speaker 3: to her even before she was born. So when she
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  Speaker 3: was in the womb. And I would sing a song
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  Speaker 3: after we chose her name. I would sing the song
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  Speaker 3: Rebecca Grace Rose is a gift from God. And I
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  Speaker 3: would sing that over and over and over to her.
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  Speaker 3: And unlike her brother who took like 20 some hours
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  Speaker 3: in labor, Rebecca was just like, I'm here and I'm
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  Speaker 3: here now and I'm not waiting. She was born on
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  Speaker 3: December 28th, 1987, in the middle of a wicked snowstorm,
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  Speaker 3: an ice storm. And she just wasn't going to wait.
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  Speaker 3: She arrived and she arrived screaming her lungs off and
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  Speaker 3: demanding attention from the world.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly what you want and what you hope for.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: She truly brought a lot of joy into our life.
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  Speaker 3: She and Tony, her brother, were bonded right from the get-go.
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca and Tony had a special relationship, but even growing
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  Speaker 2: up in the same household, their childhoods were starkly different.
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca's father, who was Tony's stepdad, was never abusive to Rebecca,
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  Speaker 2: but was consistently abusive to Tony. Asking a survivor of
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence, why didn't you just leave? It shifts the
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  Speaker 2: blame from abuser to victim. It's an oversimplification of the
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  Speaker 2: control that an abuser can have over someone and the
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  Speaker 2: added danger that statistically comes with leaving. Angela and her
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  Speaker 2: family lived in a small town. They had very little money.
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  Speaker 2: And as Tony and Rebecca got older, Angela went so
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  Speaker 2: far as to seek out women's shelters, but none would
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  Speaker 2: take Angela, Rebecca, and her son, because at the time,
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  Speaker 2: Tony was over 10 years old. He would have had
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  Speaker 2: to go into foster care, and understandably, she wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to let that happen. Angela kept the children busy and
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  Speaker 2: out of the house. For Tony, there were sports and extracurriculars.
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  Speaker 2: For Rebecca, there were horses.
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  Speaker 4: Rebecca's passion had always been horses.
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  Speaker 3: And although she tried many, many different things throughout her childhood,
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  Speaker 3: the horses is what she loved. Rebecca got lessons and
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  Speaker 3: learned how to ride and helped on the farm with
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  Speaker 3: baling hay and things like that in exchange for the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to ride.
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  Speaker 2: Riding horses can be really expensive. And Angela didn't have
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  Speaker 2: the money to pay for Rebecca's lessons, so together, she
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  Speaker 2: and Rebecca worked doing chores at the barn in exchange
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  Speaker 2: for time for Rebecca to ride. Rebecca was used to working,
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  Speaker 2: and she could talk to anyone, so as she got older,
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  Speaker 2: she got jobs waiting tables and became more involved in
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  Speaker 2: her local church. Rebecca went on mission trips that allowed
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  Speaker 2: her the opportunity to see more of the country, and
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  Speaker 2: soon she was ready to think about leaving her small
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  Speaker 2: hometown of Partlow, Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: So Rebecca had taken some missions trips through church and
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  Speaker 3: had gone to different areas. One was Denver, Colorado. She
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  Speaker 3: went to do some street ministry in inner city, things
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  Speaker 3: like that. In 2006, her grandfather died and she was very,
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  Speaker 3: very close to her grandfather.
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  Speaker 4: It really hit her hard.
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  Speaker 3: And even though she really didn't share it with me
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  Speaker 3: at the time, it was a little bit later, like
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  Speaker 3: a year later that she said, you know, she just
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  Speaker 3: came home from work one day and she said, the
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  Speaker 3: world's too big to stay in part low.
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  Speaker 4: I'm leaving.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, what? You know, that just totally floored me.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm looking at her and I go, well, where
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  Speaker 3: are you going? And at first she was like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I'll think someplace, probably out west. And she goes,
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  Speaker 3: I really liked it out West.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And so then she would come home and say, a
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  Speaker 3: girlfriend and I are going to drive across country. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever heard of Alicia Scholl Walter,
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  Speaker 3: but she was a young woman that went missing in
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  Speaker 3: Virginia about two hours from our home. And I just,
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  Speaker 3: I looked at Rebecca and I said, I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't think so. Two girls travel across country by themselves.
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  Speaker 4: That's not safe.
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  Speaker 3: So she would come home with a different story and
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  Speaker 3: a different idea on a regular basis. And then finally
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  Speaker 3: she came home and she said, the dishwasher is going
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  Speaker 3: to ride across country with me.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, she's going to go. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to be able to stop.
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  Speaker 3: Her, right?
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  Speaker 2: The dishwasher is literally the dishwasher that Rebecca worked with
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  Speaker 2: at the restaurant where she waited tables.
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  Speaker 1: And his name is Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: Neither Rebecca or Jeff or their families had the money
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  Speaker 2: to send them off on a cross-country road trip. So
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  Speaker 2: they spent the summer raising funds and making sure one
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  Speaker 2: of them had a car that was safe to drive.
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  Speaker 3: And his family and Rebecca's family, we pulled so many
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  Speaker 3: things together to have so many yard sales for these
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  Speaker 3: two young kids to be able to make it across country, right?
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  Speaker 3: So it was a long process, but they did it.
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  Speaker 3: They left and they drove across country and they stopped
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  Speaker 3: at all of the state parks and played frisbee disc
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  Speaker 3: golf all along the way. That was where they stayed
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  Speaker 3: was at the national parks and the state parks. And
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  Speaker 3: so it was about 2007 and they broke down in Cody,
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  Speaker 3: Wyoming and.
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  Speaker 4: Needed a car park.
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  Speaker 3: Between the two families, we got some money to them
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  Speaker 3: and they got their car fixed and they continued on.
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  Speaker 3: Both of them were very idealistic. They thought they were
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  Speaker 3: going to go to San Diego. Idaho and become snowboard instructors.
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  Speaker 3: But they got to Sandpoint in September, the end of
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  Speaker 3: September of that year, before snowfall, right? And so this
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  Speaker 3: is a community that's very dependent on the tourists and
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  Speaker 3: the snow season. And so the local people told them,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think you'd be happier in Missoula, Montana.
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  Speaker 3: There's a university there. So there's more kids your age.
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  Speaker 3: So they backtracked and ended up in Missoula. They both
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  Speaker 3: went their separate ways. I'm going to say... Within a
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  Speaker 3: year or two, Rebecca knew that that was where she
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be.
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  Speaker 4: She loved the outdoors. She loved the river. She loved
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  Speaker 4: the mountains.
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  Speaker 3: She loved the big sky, which is actually, you know,
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  Speaker 3: part of what Montana is known by.
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  Speaker 4: She just loved the whole atmosphere.
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca and Angela spoke on the phone when they could,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes their respective work schedules and the time difference
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  Speaker 2: made it difficult to sync up. Angela missed Rebecca and,
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  Speaker 2: like any mother, worried about her making a new life
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  Speaker 2: for herself so far away from home. But overall, Rebecca
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  Speaker 2: seemed happy and excited about her future. In 2013, after
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  Speaker 2: nearly six years in Missoula, Rebecca met a man named
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  Speaker 2: David Barsotti, and she was excited about him.
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  Speaker 3: So she said that she was dating somebody and that
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  Speaker 3: they met at the river and that she really liked him.
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  Speaker 3: He traveled a lot for his job. It sounded like
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  Speaker 3: one of those things where somebody came in and swept
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  Speaker 3: you off your feet.
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  Speaker 2: What did you hear about their relationship from her?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at that point in time, everything was wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest thing was that he would have assignments scheduled.
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  Speaker 3: quote unquote, where he would be gone for six weeks
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  Speaker 3: and then come home for a week or two and
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  Speaker 3: then gone for six weeks and come home for a
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  Speaker 3: week or two. At one point in time, he was
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  Speaker 3: working in the oil industry in.
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  Speaker 4: One of the Dakotas.
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  Speaker 1: Was he older than Rebecca?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's older than Rebecca.
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  Speaker 4: He is, I want to say five years older.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have any sort of feeling about their relationship?
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  Speaker 3: She didn't really, you know, elaborate on him a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And we never did get the opportunity to meet him.
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  Speaker 3: So we went out in 2008. And then Jerry and
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  Speaker 3: I went out in 2013. And David was in an
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  Speaker 3: oil field somewhere. So we didn't get to meet him.
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  Speaker 3: She would just say, you know, he likes the outdoors.
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  Speaker 3: He likes to do what I like to do. We
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  Speaker 3: share a lot of the same interests. Yeah. She wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: truly like go beyond that in elaboration.
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  Speaker 2: If you're wondering how is it possible that Angela never
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  Speaker 2: met David in person, there's a simple answer.
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  Speaker 1: Money and time.
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  Speaker 2: Trips from Virginia to Montana were thousands of dollars between hotels,
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  Speaker 2: flights and time off work. Angela told me she saved
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  Speaker 2: money with the hopes of making a trip every five years.
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  Speaker 2: But she and Rebecca still spoke regularly by phone, and
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca's brother Tony was able to make his own trips
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  Speaker 2: out to visit her. Then in 2015, Rebecca and David
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  Speaker 2: got married. David had initially promised Rebecca this big wedding,
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  Speaker 2: but that big wedding never happened.
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  Speaker 3: And then this big, huge wedding turned into a day
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  Speaker 3: at the chapel. With a $ 75 imitation, a cheap imitation, right?
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  Speaker 1: What did she think they were going to be doing?
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  Speaker 3: Well, she thought it was going to be on a
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  Speaker 3: farm and horseback because those were the things she loved.
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  Speaker 1: And then it wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: And then it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: And how often did you and Rebecca speak on the phone?
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  Speaker 3: Well, before her and David got married, we would speak
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit. When I say quite a bit, for us,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we were probably speaking once a week. Once
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  Speaker 3: she got married, that all changed. In fact, after she
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  Speaker 3: got married, I didn't hear from her for three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought, okay, honeymoon, you know. But then I
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  Speaker 3: finally reached out after the third week. I emailed her
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  Speaker 3: and I said, are you okay?
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  Speaker 2: A few days later, Rebecca calls her mom and tells
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  Speaker 2: Angela she's okay. She's just been working a lot and
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  Speaker 2: things have been a little rocky with David. One thing
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca and David seem to be going back and forth
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  Speaker 2: about is health insurance. They were married, and David, who
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  Speaker 2: told Rebecca that he was a veteran, would not put
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca on his health insurance. Rebecca voiced some frustration with this,
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  Speaker 2: but ultimately trusted David when he said that he simply
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  Speaker 2: couldn't do it. It was out of his hands. Angela, however,
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  Speaker 2: had a hard time with this. Angela's husband, Jerry, was
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  Speaker 2: a veteran himself, and Angela knew this didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: Rebecca would say, well, David's a veteran, but Rebecca would
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  Speaker 3: be without health insurance. And I would say, Rebecca, if
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  Speaker 3: David's a veteran, now that you're married, you can have
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  Speaker 3: CHAMPUS or TRICARE, whatever they called it then. And she goes, oh, no,
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  Speaker 3: it's not that way. It's not that kind. And I said...
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  Speaker 3: It is that way and it is that kind. You
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  Speaker 3: just need the marriage certificate and David needs to go
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  Speaker 3: with you to the closest VA office and get you
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  Speaker 3: signed up. And he never did that. He never did that.
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  Speaker 3: I kept telling Rebecca, I said, it doesn't matter that
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  Speaker 3: you weren't married to him because he professed to have
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  Speaker 3: been a disabled veteran. And she would often tell me,
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  Speaker 3: that's not how it works out here on a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things. You know, and I would just shake my
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  Speaker 3: head and go, we're in the 21st century.
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  Speaker 2: Angela had reservations with David and the stories he told
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  Speaker 2: about his life, but she treaded lightly. Angela never wanted
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca to feel judged or like she couldn't come to
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  Speaker 2: her with how she was feeling. And regardless of his past,
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  Speaker 2: these days David was also working in an oil field
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  Speaker 2: and seemed to travel a lot. It all seemed to
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  Speaker 2: be wearing on Rebecca, so finally she did decide to
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  Speaker 2: make a trip home. Angela thought maybe Rebecca would share
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  Speaker 2: more with her in person.
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  Speaker 3: She came home in 2016, like end of summer, first
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  Speaker 3: part of fall. All she would tell me was things
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  Speaker 3: weren't working out. That's all she would say.
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  Speaker 2: So would you ask her to elaborate or how would
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  Speaker 2: those conversations play out?
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  Speaker 3: I would, you know, ask her, you know, is there
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  Speaker 3: anything you want to tell me is, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: she goes, it's just not working out. She goes, we're
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  Speaker 3: just not getting along right now. And then after she
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  Speaker 3: stayed here for a month with us and David would
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  Speaker 3: call her sometimes several times a day. She finally relented
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  Speaker 3: to go home. You know, I told her, I said,
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  Speaker 3: you've always got a place to come back to. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you need to. She never did elaborate.
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  Speaker 4: But then after she left, she had.
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  Speaker 3: Told her brother that David had shot the TV while
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  Speaker 3: she was watching it one day.
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  Speaker 1: With a gun.
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  Speaker 4: With a gun. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And she had already left. And I'm like, well, what
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  Speaker 3: do I do with this information now?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Although Angela had never met David in person, they spoke
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  Speaker 2: fairly often by phone. David called a lot and seemed
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  Speaker 2: to want to connect with Angela. He called her mom,
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  Speaker 2: but some of their conversations left Angela with an uneasy
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  Speaker 2: feeling about the man her daughter had married.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he used to call all the time. So David
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  Speaker 3: was a charmer. David was a storyteller. He could wrap
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  Speaker 3: you into a scene of a play and have you
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  Speaker 3: believe pretty much anything he said.
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  Speaker 2: Did it feel like, oh, my son-in-law wants to get
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  Speaker 2: to know me?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, get to know me.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, like, oh, he's just trying to
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  Speaker 3: get to know us and find out who we are
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And then as time went on,
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  Speaker 3: they would get really like crazy conversations, like, He'd talk
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  Speaker 3: about it was time to kill his dog because his
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  Speaker 3: dog was too old and he was going to wrap
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  Speaker 3: it up in an Indian ceremonial cloth and send it
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  Speaker 3: down the river.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, who does this? There would be things
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  Speaker 4: he would say that I would just get.
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  Speaker 3: Off the phone and go tell Jerry. I said, Who
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  Speaker 3: says these things? And he would be always very boastful
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  Speaker 3: about military escapades. I don't know what to call them,
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  Speaker 3: but different things that he said he achieved in the
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  Speaker 3: military or different things he said he did.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: And Jerry's been over to Iraq twice. And Jerry said,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: you know, when you're over there, you don't come back
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: and talk about it like that. Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: But David would like expound on it and boast about it.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: You know, and I just never understood that.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: So 2016 is when Rebecca flies out, spends a month
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: at home, says we're not getting along. But ultimately, after many,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: many phone calls from David, she decides to return to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Montana and return to their relationship.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Did you hear from her often after that? Or what
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: did your communication look like with her and David once
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: she returned to Missoula?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: So it gradually just got further and further apart.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: We would talk about that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: We would say, well, it's been a long time since
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I talked to you, Rebecca. And we'd talk about her schedule,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: my schedule, how they just didn't jive.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And so over the course of those conversations, did you
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: ask her at all about... how things were going with David?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: And what did she tell you?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really didn't have to ask because after Rebecca
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: returned back to Montana and to the marriage, there was
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: always a tumultuous call. At first, it was like every
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: four months and then it became every three months. And
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the three month calls, you could almost like bank on
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: like clockwork. David kicked me out of the house. We
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: had another fight. I don't know where to go or
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: what to do. In 17 and 18, they were always
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: on the move.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I never had a permanent address for them.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: And looking back now, before Rebecca and David got married,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Rebecca could be counted on.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: She had a strong work ethic.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: She would show up on the schedule, be there, do
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: her job. But after her and David got married, there
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: was a lot of interference with her ability to be
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: at work. on the scheduled days and to do a
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: good job while she was there. So after her and
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: David got married, it wasn't that her work ethic changed.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: It was that the interference to her ability to be
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: a dependable employee changed.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And so did she lose her job?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, David would show up at work to watch her
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: as she interacted with the customers and the clients.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: The managers didn't like that, obviously. Right.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: And so they would tell Rebecca, look, either he's got
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to stop coming here or you have to quit. So
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: she tried everything. She even tried scrubbing toilets. She thought
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: she could do house cleaning and she could still be
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: at David's beck and call. If she had to leave
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the house to go home to help him with something,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: then she could do that. And it just got weird,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: more weird and more weird. So she had to quit that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: After five tumultuous years of marriage, things were getting steadily worse.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: David suffered an accident at work, one that left him
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: reliant on full-time care. And in the state of Montana,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you can hire a family member who will be compensated
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: in this role.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: David had rolled a truck in the oil field. He
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: had gotten drunk and rolled a truck in the oil field.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: And so he was out on workman's comp disability. I mean,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Rebecca was his first caregiver. She was awarded caregiver status
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to David a year before they moved into their home.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: But that put her under David's thumb 24 and 7
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: with no relief. And then they bought the house together
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: in Superior in 2020.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: So in 2020, they buy.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: A home together and.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: You're hearing from her less or more at that point?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Actually, within a couple months after they bought the home,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Rebecca called me and said, I think we're splitting up.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Up until that point, it would be, David kicked me out.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. She would sometimes say,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is going to work out.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Would she ever give you a reason that, and not
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that there's a good reason for it, but a justifiable reason,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: but You know, I think if someone called me and said,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: my husband kicked me out, I think I would say, why?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, that would come up
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: in our conversation, but she would always avoid it. After
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: they bought the house in 2020, when she called and said,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: what do we do with the house? I did suggest
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: to Rebecca, walk away. There will be another house in
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: your future. Just walk away. This isn't worth, if you're scared,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: if you feel unsafe, this isn't worth a house.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And her words to me were that she would let
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the judge decide. Rebecca fully believed that the judicial system
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: of Montana was going to protect her. It's been my
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: experience that she would have never had a chance.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Angela knew Rebecca was ready to leave David. But Rebecca
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: also felt strongly that she should get her fair share
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: of the house that they had purchased together. She'd been
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: paying toward the mortgage every month on a humble salary,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and she didn't want to give that up and knew
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: David probably wasn't going to sell the house and amicably
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: split the proceeds. On a phone call with Rebecca, Angela
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: implored Rebecca to leave anyway, to worry about the money later.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And I told her, I said, when your dad and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I split up, I actually gave him the greater portion
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: of the house because I wanted out so bad.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I said, you know, most adults would start at 50-50. Well, that,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, that pissed David off.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: He was beyond mad. He was listening in the background.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: He was listening in the background.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I see.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And he was hot.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Just beyond hot.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: In fact, here was somebody who would call me once
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: or twice a week just to quote unquote chit chat
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and everything stopped.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: David was furious that Angela had encouraged Rebecca to leave
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the marriage. He no longer called. And while Rebecca was
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: still reaching out to her mother, it was clear that
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: things between she and David were more tense than ever.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: And then... December 2020. So December 31st, 2020. I hadn't
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: heard from David since June because that's when all this transpired.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And the text message said, hey, mom, I know we've
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: had our differences this year, but I hope you have
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: a really great 2021.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And I hope it's good to you.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: What did you respond?
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, I said, oh, well, thank you very much.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I hadn't heard from him since June, right?
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: How do you respond to that?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Little did I know what was going to transpire that year,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: but it was almost like for me, it was premeditated.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: He knew what was going to happen that year.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: In 2021, Rebecca started getting back in touch more often.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: She thought of returning home to Virginia to escape David,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: but Rebecca made her living in the service industry and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Montana was wide open despite COVID. The town that her
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: family lived in back in Virginia was not.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: And I told her, I said, you can come home.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: You won't be able to get a serving job because
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: they only have cooks in the restaurant and people are
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: ordering by Uber and DoorDash, you know. And I said,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: so you can deliver food, but you're not going to
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: be able to serve it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: And she goes, oh, we're wide open here.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: And then in 2021, so you have January and February,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Rebecca's calling, upset, concerned, things might not be working out.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I think we're splitting up. I'd let a couple of
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: days go by and I'd call her back. And I said,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: what's going on? We're going to try to work it out.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: She was caught up in those promises. So David says
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: he's going to work on it. He says he's going
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: to stop drinking. He says he's going to stop doing this.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: You know, she was caught up in those promises that
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: lead nowhere except to give false hope in a relationship.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Then in March, on March 9th, she called and she said,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I filed domestic violence charges against David. So that was
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: March 9th, 2021.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Did you ask her what happened?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I did. I specifically asked her, Rebecca, what happened? And
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: all she told me was, I can't take it anymore.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: That was all she would ever tell me.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Was she able to go somewhere that she knew she
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: would be safe after she filed those charges?
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Rebecca stayed in the house. David was removed.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: He was supposed to be in jail for three days,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: but I think he got out on bond, but he
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: was not allowed to go back to the house. So
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: he stayed in a hotel in town for a month
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: because Rebecca had filed domestic violence charges on the 9th
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: and either on the 10th or 11th. The very next
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: day court was open. She filed a standing order of
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: no contact, which has no teeth. So a standing order
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: of contact just makes people mad. It has no teeth.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: And if they break it, law enforcement typically has.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: More important things to do. So they don't enforce it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Especially in Mineral County. I mean, there's four deputies.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: The personal family matter assault charge filed on March 9th, 2021,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: had come after phone calls to local law enforcement about
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: domestic disputes between Rebecca and David. Even with the standing
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: order of no contact, the town of Superior, Montana, where
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: they lived, it has less than a thousand residents. Rebecca
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: had a feeling that it would be nearly impossible to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: avoid David, and she had little faith that the no
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: contact order would be enforced. She wanted to come home,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and she almost did. But Rebecca had a dog that
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: she loved dearly, a Belgian Malinois named Cerberus. She couldn't
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: bear the thought of leaving Cerberus or flying him in
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: cargo under the plane.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Oddly enough, Cerberus is a Greek mythology figure that means
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: keeper of many secrets. And she loved that dog. She
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: wasn't going to leave him. In fact, David at one
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: point had threatened to kill the dog.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: She told you that?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Yes. She sent me a text message that she had received.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: The text message said, he's threatened to kill me, kill
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: my dog, burn the house down.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, so he threatened to kill her at the same time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: So.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: He said that he was going to kill Rebecca, kill
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: her dog, burn the house down, and drive her truck
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: into the river.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: What did it feel like as her mother to know
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that this person was so close to her in her life,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: threatening her this way?
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I was overcome with anger. I was overcome with.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Trying to figure out how do you protect a 33-year-old
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: woman who has the right to make her own decisions
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: and has her own autonomy? Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And how do you protect her from Virginia to Montana?
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't because as a 33-year-old of sound mind,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: maybe of a broken heart and a broken spirit, but
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: of a sound mind, you can't tell another adult what
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: to do and how to do it. You can let
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: them know you're there. You can be there for them.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: You can offer assistance in whatever form that they'll accept.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: But you can't even make them accept the assistance. And
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I said, okay, that's fine. But if you change your mind,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: let me know. I mean, literally, I would send Rebecca
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: a couple hundred dollars every week because every apartment application
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: required a $ 50 deposit. So I just kept sending her
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: money so she could apply at different places to live
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: with the dog. She finally found a place and signed
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: a lease.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: On April 1st.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Angela sent me a video that Rebecca had taken, a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: tour of her new home, a new beginning.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Sink, oven, and.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Then a little living room. But all new windows in Montana.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: That is huge.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And I'll probably end up frosting this for privacy, even
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: though you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Can see the mountains kind of from my porch.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: This was April of 2021. Rebecca found a job waiting
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: tables at a local brewery. She worked 12 to 18-hour shifts,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: as many as they would give her. She rented her
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: own place, which even had a small outdoor space for Cerberus.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: And shortly after that, she landed another job, a better job,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: serving at an upscale restaurant in town. It was better
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: hours for better money, and they loved her there. She
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: also applied to begin taking a paralegal course at a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: local college. Rebecca was finding her footing again, separating herself
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: from David. Did she seem happier when you would speak
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: with her on the phone?
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes, she did. She seemed much happier. Still afraid.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Still afraid of David.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But to your knowledge, in those conversations, was David kind
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of leaving her alone?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: No, David was like, he would text me and he
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: would say, ask Rebecca if she wants this. And, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I'd asked Rebecca, I said, Rebecca, he's asking if you
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: want this, that it belongs to. She goes, I don't
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: want anything. I don't want anything. She goes, he has
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: to stop. And then one time she texted me because
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: they were on the same phone bill. And it was
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: like $ 300 and Rebecca didn't have $ 300 and half of
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: it was David's. So she said, please ask David to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: pay this because I, you know, are part of it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, do you have a CVA? And she
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: did have a CVA, a crime victim advocate. And I said,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: can you talk to her about what you're supposed to
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: do with bills that are in both of your names?
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And can she guide you since Montana is so different,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: you know, and she would never. I think when you're
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: going through that and now that I've gone through Rebecca's
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: process of missing and and all that, you're just trying
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: to survive every day. You don't have the capacity to
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: think beyond survival to how else can you handle this?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I know that she would reach out to her CVA
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: on occasion, but Rebecca always said, I don't want to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: bother her.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Rebecca loved spending free time with her dog, Cerberus, out
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: enjoying the nature in Montana. And since it was now
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: into summer, they often went to a place called Council
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Grove Park in Missoula County. It's a quiet and serene
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: place on a river. But on July 2nd, 2021, during
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: a trip to Council Grove, Rebecca had an eerie feeling
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like she was being watched. And then a rock flew
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: in their direction.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And then another.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: And Rebecca was there giving Cerberus some free time in
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the water. You know, walking him and playing with him
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: and stuff. And someone threw a rock at Cerberus. More
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: than one. And Rebecca got mad about it. Went back
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: to her car. There was one other vehicle in the
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: parking lot, a van. Rebecca's windshield was cracked on her van,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: so somebody had maybe thrown a rock at her car
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: to break her windshield.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Rebecca didn't know if she should immediately suspect David, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: of course it was on her mind. She'd been keeping
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: her distance from him, but David had been insisting that
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: she come by to pick up her remaining belongings, something
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Rebecca never felt safe doing, and so she didn't. But finally,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Rebecca did agree to meet David's new caregiver in a
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: public location, and she would collect her belongings there. She
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: hoped it would be one less thing for David to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: contact her about.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: So the purpose of the meeting was for Rebecca to
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: retrieve items that she really didn't want. There were several
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: text messages, do you want these, do you want these,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: do you want these, on her phone. And she said, no, no, no.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: And then finally, she relented and said, I'm sure she
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: just relented because, you know what, you're not going to
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: stop bothering me until I get them.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: So they made.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Arrangements to meet, her and Bevan made arrangements to meet
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: at Town Pump in Superior, Montana.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: This meeting takes place on July 20th, 2021. The Town
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Pump is a gas station and convenience store, and Bevan
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: is Bevan Cook, David's caretaker at the time that this
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is happening. Text messages revealed this plan that Rebecca had
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: made with Bevan, and a grainy security camera photo did
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: show what looked like people meeting up in an adjacent
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: parking lot, but the quality of the footage is so
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: bad that it's really impossible to confirm if it was Rebecca.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: But if it was, it's the last footage that exists
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: of her. Because in less than a week, Angela's life
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: and the lives of so many that love Rebecca were
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: turned upside down in a tornado of grief and confusion.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: something Angela described to me as a pain so deep
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you forget to breathe.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: So July 20th, I have the grandkids here.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Get them in bed.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I'm in bed right after they're in bed because I'm exhausted.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: And after I'd gone to bed, David had sent a
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: text message stating that Rebecca was missing. I woke up
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to that text message the next day. And the text
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: message proceeded to say, hey, And he still called me mom.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Then he goes, hey, mom, I need to let you
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: know Rebecca's missing. And I'm tired of all this. The
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: police came to my door looking for her. And she
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: probably had a boyfriend or didn't call back her CBA.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: It was everybody else. Nothing about, I hope she's not missing.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I hope this isn't true. Nothing about, I still love
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Rebecca and only want the best for her. It was
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: all about him. Other than the fact that Rebecca was missing,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: it was all about him. My next move was to
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: call and text Rebecca.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That was my next move. After I got that, I
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: just kind of went into shock mode. I remember that
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I called Rebecca, called Rebecca, called Rebecca. I remember I
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: texted her, texted her, texted her. I said, David, David
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: texted and said, you're missing. Please text me back, you know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: or I'd call her. And then I'm thinking, well, it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: five o'clock here. It's three o'clock there. She's probably asleep.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: And that's why she's not answering. Right. Then when it
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: got to be about seven o'clock here, eight o'clock here,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I called Tony, my son. And I said, when was
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: the last time you talked to Rebecca? And he goes,
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  Speaker 3: about a week ago. And I'm like, okay, if you
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: call her, will she answer? And he goes, yeah, she
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: always does. So I said, well, I need you to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: call and text her because I can't get ahold of her.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And I told him why.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: And the day just unfolded.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, we still tried to make it as quote
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: unquote normal a day as we could for the kids.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: We had told them that we would take him to
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: an amusement emporium, sports emporium for the day. And so
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: we were trying to still create some kind of a
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: normal day because we didn't know what was going to happen.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: And Tony and I were on the phone a lot.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: And I said, well, her trailer's in Missoula. Call Missoula
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  Speaker 3: and ask them to do a welfare check. And so
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: he did. He did that for me. Then Miss Zola
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: couldn't find her trailer.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: So David told me she was missing. And then Mineral
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: County told Tony she was missing. And Tony called.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: About four o'clock that day, our time here.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: And I just crawled, I just like crashed to the ground.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I just, I couldn't even think straight anymore. I just thought,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: this can't be happening. You know? I mean, it's every
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: parent's worst nightmare. Yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: We used to watch Dateline and 2020 and all those shows,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: and I'd go, how in the world did somebody go missing?
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: How does that happen? And then here I found myself
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: living it.
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  Speaker 2: Within days, Angela was on a flight to Montana, a
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: place where she knew no one except for her daughter,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: who was missing... and the man who had threatened to
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: kill her. All she wanted was to find Rebecca and
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: bring her home. But Mineral County had a different view
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: of Rebecca's disappearance, and Angela would soon learn that she
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: would be fighting tooth and nail to get any attention
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: on Rebecca's case. And David would be no help at all.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, the whole week was crazy.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I had told David on Thursday I was coming out
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: because he called, he called, he didn't call my phone.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: He called Jerry's phone and he never calls Jerry. He
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: always called me and he called Jerry's phone. And we
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: were eating lunch with the boys and with Tylee. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: he asked Jerry to step away. And he said that
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Rebecca didn't ever want me to see her dead. And I,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that is a crazy call. How does he
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: know she's dead?
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: You know, number one.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And then it came up that I was coming out
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: and David said, let me handle this.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Don't come out. Let me handle it. And I'm like,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I'm her mom. I'm coming out.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: This concludes part one of Rebecca's story. Please join us
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: next week for part two. If you have a story
• 41:36
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  Speaker 1: This has been an Exactly Right production. Hosted and produced
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  Speaker 1: by me, Hannah Smith.
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  Speaker 2: And me, Patia Eaton. Our producers are Tom Breifogel and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Alexa Samorosi.
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  Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Breifogel.
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  Speaker 2: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain.
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  Speaker 1: Our theme music is by Birds in the Airport. Artwork
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  Speaker 1: by Vanessa Lilac. Executive produced by Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark,
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  Speaker 1: and Danielle Kramer.