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Murder In Moscow: The Unexplained Gap In The Timeline Of The Murders · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. Investigators in Moscow are
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  Speaker 1: trying to piece together the timeline of Ethan and Zanna's night.
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  Speaker 1: There is a big gap of four hours where they
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  Speaker 1: can't really figure out what went on. And they're asking
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  Speaker 1: for help as far as videos or anyone who might
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  Speaker 1: have seen Ethan and Zanna between this time period. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they were last seen at the Sigma Chi house. So
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  Speaker 1: my guess is somebody or buddies at the Sigma Chi
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  Speaker 1: house must have seen them, right? If they were hanging
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  Speaker 1: out at this place, they were all partying. Nobody has
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  Speaker 1: any idea where Ethan and Xana went after they left
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  Speaker 1: the Sigma Chi house before returning home. So it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: confusing what the police are looking for here. I would
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  Speaker 1: think that at a fraternity house such as this, that
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  Speaker 1: there would be a bunch of people hanging out. Especially
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  Speaker 1: if Zana and Ethan are there, at the very least,
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  Speaker 1: you would think there's some kind of kickback going on.
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  Speaker 1: So nobody has any information about Ethan and Zana and
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  Speaker 1: this four or five hour gap? Pretty interesting if you
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  Speaker 1: ask me, because I would think that the police would
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  Speaker 1: have had this all sussed out by now. But if
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  Speaker 1: they can't get help from anyone who might have seen them, well,
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  Speaker 1: how are they going to put the timeline together? So
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  Speaker 1: with them not having a timeline yet, it leads me
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  Speaker 1: to believe that perhaps the kids at Sigma Chi who
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  Speaker 1: are at this party have not been too receptive about
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  Speaker 1: coming forward and offering up what kind of evidence they
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  Speaker 1: might have in their possession or offering up a statement
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  Speaker 1: about what they might have seen or didn't see. Because
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  Speaker 1: as the police said, any little piece could be the
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  Speaker 1: key here that leads them to the person who did this.
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  Speaker 1: So I think this four hour gap is pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And it's certainly something that the investigators, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to fill in these gaps here to have a
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  Speaker 1: full picture, right? To have a full puzzle created from
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  Speaker 1: the corners out. You need to have all of the context.
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  Speaker 1: You need to know every last step of these two kids,
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  Speaker 1: where they were, who they were hanging out with. Did
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  Speaker 1: they get into an altercation? Was there some kind of beef?
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  Speaker 1: All of that has to be learned. And if there's
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  Speaker 1: a four-hour gap in the timeline, pretty impossible to have
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  Speaker 1: a full picture, a full view of what went down, right?
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  Speaker 1: So it's crucial for the police to put all of
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  Speaker 1: these pieces together and figure out where Zanna and Ethan
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  Speaker 1: were for this four-hour gap. Today's article is from Newsweek, headline,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho police puzzled by four-hour gap in timeline of murder victims.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Kalita Rockman. Police are appealing
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  Speaker 1: for information about an almost five-hour gap in their timeline
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  Speaker 1: of the whereabouts of two University of Idaho students the
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  Speaker 1: night they were killed. It's crazy for me to think
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  Speaker 1: that all this time and they still don't have this
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  Speaker 1: part of the story filled in. And I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: about what they're releasing to the public. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: in general. It doesn't look like they have any idea
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  Speaker 1: what Ethan and Zanna were up to for this gap period.
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  Speaker 1: And with all of the man hours, all of the information,
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  Speaker 1: all of the evidence that's been turned over to the police,
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  Speaker 1: you would think that there would be, at the very least,
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  Speaker 1: an idea of what they were up to. But it
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  Speaker 1: certainly doesn't look like that's the case. Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and her boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, were found stabbed
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  Speaker 1: to death in the women's off-campus rental house in Moscow
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  Speaker 1: on November 13th. More than three weeks on, police haven't
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  Speaker 1: named a suspect in the gruesome killings which have rocked
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  Speaker 1: the tiny university town. Well, if they don't even have
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  Speaker 1: the timeline filled in, I think we should all pump
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  Speaker 1: the brakes on hoping that a suspect is going to
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  Speaker 1: be named anytime soon. Unless they get a hit on DNA.
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  Speaker 1: I'm convinced at this point, folks, it's going to take
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  Speaker 1: a tip from somebody in the community to get justice here,
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  Speaker 1: to have an arrest. Because while the police are doing
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  Speaker 1: everything that they can, they can only glean so much
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  Speaker 1: from that DNA, right? If the person isn't in the
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  Speaker 1: database or the person didn't leave any DNA, then what?
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to come down to a tip unless
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  Speaker 1: they get lucky and get a pop on this DNA.
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  Speaker 1: So to have a proper tip or to have a
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  Speaker 1: proper outline of what happened, they need to fill in
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  Speaker 1: the gaps here and figure out what XANA and Ethan
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  Speaker 1: were doing. Gonsalves and Mogan, both 21, went to a
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  Speaker 1: local bar, stopped at a food truck, and then got
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  Speaker 1: a ride home with the private party at around 1.56 a.m.,
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  Speaker 1: according to police timeline of the evening. As far as
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee and Madison go, we have a basic outline of
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  Speaker 1: what they did, where they were, and who they were
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  Speaker 1: associating with, at least as far as we know for
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  Speaker 1: what's been released. However... When you look at Ethan and Zanna,
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  Speaker 1: that is not the case. There has not been nowhere
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  Speaker 1: near as much information about their movements the night of because, well, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. Investigators have determined that Kernodle and Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: both 20, were seen at the Sigma Chi fraternity house
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  Speaker 1: and returned to their residence, a short walk away, at
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  Speaker 1: about 1.45 a.m. But they are appealing for information about
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  Speaker 1: the couple's whereabouts between 9 p.m. on November 12th and
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  Speaker 1: 1 45 AM on November 13th, which is weird because
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  Speaker 1: they were seen at the Sigma Chi house, but then
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  Speaker 1: nobody has any idea where they were. And this is
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  Speaker 1: what is basically a roadblock here for me. How could
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  Speaker 1: they be at this Sigma Chi house, but nobody has
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  Speaker 1: any idea that they were there a bit confusing. What
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  Speaker 1: are they looking for? Did they leave the Sigma Chi house?
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  Speaker 1: And then if they left that Sigma Chi house, well,
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  Speaker 1: where did they go? Who did they leave with? Did
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  Speaker 1: anyone go with them? They didn't say bye to their friends.
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  Speaker 1: They just walked out and left. See, something's not making
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  Speaker 1: sense here, folks. And I feel like there's a few pieces,
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  Speaker 1: a few key pieces that we're still missing. The police
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  Speaker 1: department said detectives are continuing to work through thousands of
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  Speaker 1: emails and phone tips, as well as more than a
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  Speaker 1: thousand digital media submissions. We believe someone has information that
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  Speaker 1: will add context to the picture investigators are creating of
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  Speaker 1: what occurred that evening. Our focus is the investigation, not
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  Speaker 1: the activities, police said. So what they're saying here, without
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  Speaker 1: saying it, is that you can come forward, even if
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  Speaker 1: you were doing drugs that night or underage drinking. They're
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  Speaker 1: not focused on that. They're focused on finding out who
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  Speaker 1: killed Ethan, Zanna, Madison, and Kaylee. They're not worried about
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  Speaker 1: who was doing some blow or who was shotgunning beers. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that's a fear for people who are at
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  Speaker 1: a party or whatever. Nobody wants to get caught up
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  Speaker 1: with the law. That's the last thing you want to
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  Speaker 1: do as a college student. And these fraternities especially. They
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  Speaker 1: get in all kinds of trouble. It could be a
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  Speaker 1: big thing for them. So the police have to be
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  Speaker 1: very hands-on, if you will, in my opinion, when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to getting information from anybody who was at that party.
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  Speaker 1: Your information, whether you believe it's significant or not, might
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  Speaker 1: be one of the puzzle pieces that helps solve these murders.
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  Speaker 1: And that's an outcry to the people who were at
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  Speaker 1: the Sigma Chi house that night. Or anyone. that had
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  Speaker 1: interaction with Zanna and Ethan. Because this gap in the timeline,
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  Speaker 1: it's proving a hindrance in figuring out what went on here.
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  Speaker 1: 100% without a doubt. Kernodle's mother, Cara Denise Northington, told
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  Speaker 1: News Nation in a recent interview that she believes her
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  Speaker 1: daughter and her boyfriend went to a bar after leaving
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  Speaker 1: their fraternity house, but acknowledged that she doesn't know for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone does yet. Maybe the investigators,
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  Speaker 1: but as far as we know, we've only heard about
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  Speaker 1: the Sigma Chi party. So that's where all of the
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  Speaker 1: attention has been focused. In that interview, Northington also expressed
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  Speaker 1: frustration with the investigation and the lack of details provided
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  Speaker 1: by police. I learned more on the news and on
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  Speaker 1: TV than what they have said to me, she said.
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  Speaker 1: We need more answers. And, again, I understand why the
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  Speaker 1: investigators aren't being more forthcoming, but it's a fine line,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that they should establish a liaison to
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  Speaker 1: deal with just the families alone. Moscow police responded to
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  Speaker 1: those concerns, as well as reports and speculation about the case,
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  Speaker 1: in Monday's news release. With the active criminal investigation, law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement has not released additional facts to the family or
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  Speaker 1: the public, the police department said. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: was directed at Steve Gonsalves and his commentary. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he had a lot to say over the last few
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  Speaker 1: days and we covered that. So I think that the
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  Speaker 1: release and what they were saying in that release was
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  Speaker 1: kind of directed at Mr. Gonsalves. We recognize the frustration
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  Speaker 1: this causes and that speculation proliferates in the absence of facts. However,
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  Speaker 1: we firmly believe speculation and unvetted information is a disservice
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  Speaker 1: to the victims, their family, and our community. I agree
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  Speaker 1: with all of that. And I've said it from Jump Street,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to know what they're doing behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even understand it in the first place. So
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  Speaker 1: why do I need to know A, B, C, D,
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  Speaker 1: and E? What I do want is some clarity. And
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to have messaging and you're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk to the public, at least do so in a
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  Speaker 1: manner that doesn't cause more confusion. The Moscow Police Department
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  Speaker 1: is committed to providing information whenever possible but not at
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  Speaker 1: the expense of compromising the investigation and prosecution that's the
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  Speaker 1: the key the prosecution is the most important part remember
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  Speaker 1: that folks and because we want to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: whoever gets nailed here doesn't have any loopholes and doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have any wiggle room once they're on that hook. John DiCarlo,
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  Speaker 1: a professor of criminal justice at the University of New
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  Speaker 1: Haven and a former police chief in Brantford, Connecticut, told Newsweek,
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  Speaker 1: it is important to remember that the decision to share
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  Speaker 1: case information with the public does not rest solely with
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  Speaker 1: the police. Investigators are part of a larger legal team,
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  Speaker 1: which includes prosecutors and judges, who may or may not
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  Speaker 1: be regulating the flow of information to the public. Although
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  Speaker 1: the police are the public face of the investigation, there
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  Speaker 1: are likely many more organizational layers involved in case management decisions,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a fact. There is no doubt in my
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  Speaker 1: mind that some of these other agencies are certainly taking
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  Speaker 1: the lead in some respects when it comes to this investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So when we look at this and we look at
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  Speaker 1: the overall investigation, it's crucial that they fill in these
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  Speaker 1: blanks here, that they have a whole timeline built for
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  Speaker 1: the movements of all of the kids who were murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Because without that, they're just shooting in the dark. They
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  Speaker 1: have no idea where they were moving, who they were with,
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  Speaker 1: who's a possible suspect. Forget it. So until they get
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  Speaker 1: this gap filled in, my guess is they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to make too much progress as far as who did this.
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  Speaker 1: unless there's a break in the DNA or they get
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  Speaker 1: a tip. Because if they don't even have the whole
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  Speaker 1: timeline built yet, my guess is they're not any closer
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