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The Fallout From The TikTok Awards · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, we dive
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  Speaker 1: deep into the controversy surrounding the TikTok Awards. From the
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  Speaker 1: red carpet racism brow to Tammy Hembrough's disappearance and the
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  Speaker 1: Wiggles drug drama. Let's get straight into it.
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  Speaker 2: A number of black creators have bravely called out the
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  Speaker 2: racism they experienced at the TikTok Awards. Disturbing vision of
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  Speaker 2: a photographer barring black creators from entering the red carpet
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  Speaker 2: has gone viral.
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  Speaker 1: Sophie, can you tell us more? Yeah. Well, the first
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  Speaker 1: content creator to speak out against this racism was Niel.
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  Speaker 1: So she has over 417,000 followers on TikTok and was
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  Speaker 1: invited by the platform to attend the awards. So she
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  Speaker 1: explained that this is the third time that she has
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  Speaker 1: attended the TikTok awards and that there are two red
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  Speaker 1: carpets set up. So There's one red carpet where content
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  Speaker 1: creators can go and take their own photos. And there
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  Speaker 1: is another red carpet that's basically manned by the media.
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  Speaker 1: So there are journalists there conducting interviews as well as
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  Speaker 1: mainstream photographers. Now, she said in the past she has
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  Speaker 1: been quite reluctant to put herself forward to be interviewed.
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  Speaker 1: But this year she wanted to push herself as quite often.
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  Speaker 1: Black creators aren't represented in the media. Now, when Niel
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  Speaker 1: got to the front of the media red carpet, she
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  Speaker 1: said a staff member quizzed her on whether she was
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  Speaker 1: a nominee or a presenter. And she explained that she
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  Speaker 1: was a content creator and the staff member reiterated that
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  Speaker 1: they only wanted to interview nominees and presenters. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: is despite the fact that Niel said that she saw
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  Speaker 1: mutual friends being interviewed who didn't fit either of those criteria.
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  Speaker 1: So the staff member proceeded to tell Niel that if
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to get her photo taken, she could head
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  Speaker 1: over to where the photographers were on the media red carpet. Now,
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  Speaker 1: those photographers were from TikTok and also mainstream media publications.
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  Speaker 1: So Niel and her friend Maxie decided to line up.
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  Speaker 1: But when they reached the front of the line, they
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  Speaker 1: were approached rather aggressively by a photographer employed by TikTok. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Niel has proof of the exchange because she had already
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  Speaker 1: hit record on her phone so that her friend could
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  Speaker 1: film behind the scenes of her getting her photo taken
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  Speaker 1: on the red carpet. Let's have a listen to what
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  Speaker 1: the photographer said to her.
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  Speaker 3: My blood is absolutely boiling from listening to that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, aside from the absolutely disgusting way that he
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  Speaker 1: treated those two creators.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that this guy is employed by TikTok and
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  Speaker 2: he's working at the TikTok Awards and he's acting like
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  Speaker 2: that when there are so many people there filming. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is their job to capture content. Did he not
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  Speaker 2: think that potentially his behavior could get caught out? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even if they didn't capture that footage live, all of
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  Speaker 2: these creators are going to talk about their experience at
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  Speaker 2: the event.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean, he spoke to them in such
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  Speaker 1: a denigrating way. The tone was appalling. It was as
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  Speaker 1: though they were a piece of dirt on his shoe
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  Speaker 1: and he just sort of shooed them away. It was
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  Speaker 1: absolutely revolting. I mean, this is an employee of TikTok saying,
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  Speaker 1: we don't need your photo. So he's essentially saying TikTok Australia.
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  Speaker 1: does not need your photo. And also mocking them. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what did you think?
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  Speaker 2: Why would you come up here? Like, what a silly
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  Speaker 2: idea to think that we would want to use your photo.
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  Speaker 2: It would be incredibly embarrassing, particularly said in front of
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  Speaker 2: all of these other creators. Well, you could see Adam
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  Speaker 2: Hyde in the vision. He was getting his photo taken.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little bit awkward because people have criticized
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  Speaker 2: him for not getting involved and speaking.
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  Speaker 1: Up for the women. It is unclear whether he could
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  Speaker 1: actually hear what was going on. I'd like to give
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  Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was quite close. But then again, Indy
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  Speaker 2: Clinton spoke about her red carpet experience. We are going
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  Speaker 2: to go into that later. And she said it was
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  Speaker 2: just very chaotic. There was so much screaming and yelling
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  Speaker 2: going on.
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  Speaker 1: It was a very loud environment. I like to think
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  Speaker 1: that if he had heard what was going on, he
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  Speaker 1: would have said something. Now, Niel uploaded this video to
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  Speaker 1: TikTok and it has quickly attracted 1.6 million views. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in the video, she went on to question why TikTok
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  Speaker 1: was inviting creators if this is simply a celebrity event
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  Speaker 1: and that if they're inviting creators to be seat fillers,
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  Speaker 1: then at least let them know they're being invited as
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  Speaker 1: audience members and not creators. And I think that that
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  Speaker 1: is such a good point because I have seen so
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  Speaker 1: many smaller creators being really excited to get invited to
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  Speaker 1: the awards. They've then had to fund their own flights there,
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  Speaker 1: their own hair, makeup, accommodation.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And then they've arrived at the awards and thought, oh, actually,
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  Speaker 1: there's 8,000 other creators here. I'm not so special. I
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  Speaker 1: just feel like a bit of a seat filler.
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty shocked because some of the vision that
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  Speaker 2: was coming from the awards filmed by creators, like I
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  Speaker 2: follow Ames on TikTok, and she is a big creator.
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  Speaker 2: She's got over a million followers. And she was up
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  Speaker 2: in the nosebleeds. And I was like, hang on, what?
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  Speaker 1: It's very confusing who worked out the seating plan. Now,
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  Speaker 1: getting back to Niel's video, So she also included a
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  Speaker 1: second video of an exchange with this photographer. So when
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  Speaker 1: the photographer noticed that Niel was filming, he came back
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  Speaker 1: over to try and shift the blame onto the press photographers.
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  Speaker 1: So he said that he wasn't trying to be nasty.
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  Speaker 1: And it was actually the Daily Mail photographers who were
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  Speaker 1: the bad guys and would rip everyone's heads off and
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  Speaker 1: tell them to get out of the way if they
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  Speaker 1: stepped onto the red carpet.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?
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  Speaker 1: Once he realized that they were filming, I mean, as
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  Speaker 1: if they wouldn't be filming. Well, his tone totally changed,
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  Speaker 1: didn't it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Neil then went on to confirm that this was
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  Speaker 2: not an isolated incident and unfortunately happened to multiple black creators.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 4: Guess what, guys? That experience did not only happen to me,
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  Speaker 4: It did not only happen to Maxie, but Zoe, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the people I was with, it did not only happen
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  Speaker 4: to them. It also happened to multiple Black creators. And
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  Speaker 4: the fact that they were saying that this wall is
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  Speaker 4: for nominees and press only, and this is how they
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  Speaker 4: treated their only Black nominee.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the creator that she is referencing is Florence Batio,
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  Speaker 1: who has over 1.1 million followers on TikTok and who
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  Speaker 1: was nominated for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year. Now,
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  Speaker 1: despite being a nominee, Florence alleges that after she lined
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  Speaker 1: up to walk the media red carpet, a photographer refused
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  Speaker 1: to take photos of her and told her to get off. What?
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  Speaker 1: Now in the video, which has attracted 1 million views,
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  Speaker 1: Florence says she was still trying to process the experience.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 3: So basically there was like media, there was like a
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  Speaker 3: red carpet, I mean pink carpet, red carpet or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And me and this other creator, she's also a person
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  Speaker 3: of color. We went on the carpet to get our
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  Speaker 3: photos taken because as we should, we got nominated for
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  Speaker 3: the Haley Award. We went on, and I kid you not,
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  Speaker 3: there was, like, I think four photographers. And there was
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  Speaker 3: this photographer that was wearing a blue cap. And I.
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  Speaker 5: Got on.
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  Speaker 3: And literally, he didn't take a photo. And then how
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  Speaker 3: it's supposed to work is, like, we're all supposed to, like,
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  Speaker 3: just kind of rotate. Like, so you get your photos taken,
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  Speaker 3: then you talk to media, and then you get off
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  Speaker 3: the carpet. But, like, this guy literally didn't take any photos.
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  Speaker 3: And then he was telling me to get off. was
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  Speaker 3: telling me to get off. And I was like, but
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was supposed to go in and now
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  Speaker 3: do the media, like do interviews. And obviously, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's going on. So I just got off. But
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  Speaker 3: it was just so embarrassing because I'm like, what do
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  Speaker 3: you mean you didn't take any photos? And you literally
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  Speaker 3: just shuffled me off stage. And then I've seen him
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  Speaker 3: take lots of photos of other people.
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  Speaker 5: And then the other content.
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  Speaker 3: Creator, she literally, she went and told I think she
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  Speaker 3: only told one of the workers at TikTok. And then
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  Speaker 3: I think they only told him. So then he was
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  Speaker 3: literally marching at me.
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  Speaker 2: This is absolutely disgusting. I cannot believe that this is happening.
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  Speaker 1: This is someone who has been nominated for an award.
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  Speaker 1: Why doesn't TikTok need their photos? Can they answer us that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a pattern of behaviour. You can't deny
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  Speaker 2: that this is racism.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that makes me so sad is hearing how
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  Speaker 1: embarrassed Florence was by this incident. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: a moment where you're supposed to stand tall and proud
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  Speaker 1: about what you have achieved. I mean, she was nominated
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  Speaker 1: for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year. That should
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  Speaker 1: be a really proud and special moment. But instead, it's
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  Speaker 1: been marred by this experience.
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  Speaker 2: Looking at this, there are two main issues going on.
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  Speaker 2: There's obviously the abhorrent racism. And then there is a
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  Speaker 2: breakdown in communication. So if the plan was for only
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  Speaker 2: nominees to be photographed by media on the red carpet,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Florence has come out and said, well, she
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  Speaker 2: was a nominee and she was treated like shit. That's
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  Speaker 2: the racism side there. But if that was the plan,
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  Speaker 2: that only nominees were going to get photographed, they needed
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  Speaker 2: to communicate that to everyone that was attending the event.
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  Speaker 2: This invite needed to have a better rundown of what
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  Speaker 2: was going on. They've gone and made these people feel
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  Speaker 2: special saying, oh my God, you have been selected to
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  Speaker 2: attend the TikTok awards, shell out your money to get flights, accommodation,
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  Speaker 2: your makeup and hair done. And then We're going to
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  Speaker 2: treat you like crap. You're going to be amongst 8,000
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  Speaker 2: other people and we're going to sit you in the
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  Speaker 2: nosebleeds and then actually abuse you and be racist.
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  Speaker 1: What is going on? I mean, how dare a creator
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  Speaker 1: want to walk on the red carpet and get their
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  Speaker 1: photo taken? Like, how dare they? The tone of these
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  Speaker 1: photographers is just not it. And as someone who has
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  Speaker 1: worked in the media before, yes, photographers can be very grumpy.
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  Speaker 1: But why are you treating invited guests like this? Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 2: There is no excuse for racism. I mean, these photographers
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  Speaker 2: should be fired. They should be. And the TikTok staff member.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the awards have been an absolute PR nightmare for
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  Speaker 1: TikTok because creators are now calling to boycott them and
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  Speaker 1: declaring that they won't be returning next year. There's now
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  Speaker 1: quite a lot of creators who are making videos talking
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  Speaker 1: about the shame they feel for attending the awards. Let's
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  Speaker 1: have a listen to what Adelaide creator Matilda Norton said.
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  Speaker 6: Okay does anyone else have post-traumatic tiktok awards show shame
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  Speaker 6: p-t-t-a-s-s because i do genuinely feel so much shame and
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  Speaker 6: embarrassment that i went and i just feel like one
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  Speaker 6: like it's so embarrassing guys.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think Matilda Norton should feel any shame.
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  Speaker 2: I think the event organizers should be feeling shame and
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  Speaker 2: the photographers. I mean, those are the people at fault here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the reason she's talking about feeling this
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  Speaker 1: shame is because as author and TikTok creator Kate Forster
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  Speaker 1: explained so eloquently, is that when you attend an event
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  Speaker 1: these days, Unfortunately, that is you aligning your brand with
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  Speaker 1: the other brand. So you really have to be careful
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  Speaker 1: about which events you're attending and which brands you're putting
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  Speaker 1: your support behind. Obviously, in this case, the racism happened
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  Speaker 1: during the event. This is a very unexpected thing to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't blame any creators who attended. Obviously, next year,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps if they choose to attend, that's when we can
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  Speaker 1: look a little bit deeper into this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean, you can only make that decision
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  Speaker 2: based on what's happened prior to you accepting the invite.
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  Speaker 1: Now on the topic of Kate, she has put out
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  Speaker 1: a series of videos reacting to the TikTok awards. Now
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  Speaker 1: she didn't attend the event, but she has spoken out
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  Speaker 1: about the racism and also the fact that some creators
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  Speaker 1: were put in rooms alongside their own stalkers. Let's have
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  Speaker 1: a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 7: Creators reported racism. It was an unsafe space. People were
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  Speaker 7: put in rooms with their own stalkers, people who have
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  Speaker 7: AVOs on them and they were in the same room.
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  Speaker 7: People being harassed, why did you block me, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 7: Disabled people, room filled with vape smoke, like fucking insane.
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  Speaker 7: No water for two hours. This isn't a vibe issue,
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  Speaker 7: it's a values issue. It's really important you understand that.
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  Speaker 2: Very interested in Kate's allegations around content creators being put
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  Speaker 2: in rooms with their own stalkers. Is that in relation
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  Speaker 2: to paparazzi who have stalked them or?
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  Speaker 1: No, I just believe it's other creators who have beef
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  Speaker 1: with other creators. So there's potential falling outs, but It's
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  Speaker 1: not very good planning by TikTok. Surely they should be
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  Speaker 1: across the TikTok drama.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that they invited 8,000 creators, they
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  Speaker 2: probably couldn't keep across all of the beef and who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't like who. Now, in terms of Niel's comments regarding
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  Speaker 2: content creators essentially being invited to fill seats, this sentiment
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  Speaker 2: was backed up by a content creator called Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Michael.
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  Speaker 2: So as the name suggests, he works full-time as a
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  Speaker 2: doctor in the ED and has amassed a huge following
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  Speaker 2: of over half a million people for sharing medical tips
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  Speaker 2: and debunking wellness myths. Now, after attending the awards, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Michael uploaded a video with the caption, if you didn't
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  Speaker 2: get an invite to the TikTok awards, you dodged a bullet.
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  Speaker 2: So in the three-minute call-out video, he labeled the awards
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  Speaker 2: night as a shambles.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 8: What an absolute shambles. I've never felt more Scottish than
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  Speaker 8: I did last night because Scottish people have this bullshit
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  Speaker 8: radar that goes off whenever they smell that something's not
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  Speaker 8: quite right and as soon as I walked in my
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  Speaker 8: bullshit radar was going beep beep beep Do not be
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  Speaker 8: fooled by the polished look on the TV. It was
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  Speaker 8: a mess, a real mess. It was like sardines in
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  Speaker 8: a can. And on the TV, yeah, the red carpet
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  Speaker 8: looks fantastic. Yes, go and get your picture taken. Oh,
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  Speaker 8: everybody's looking great. No, there was 8,000 people and there
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  Speaker 8: was two tiny bits of red carpet that were about
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  Speaker 8: three metres long. There was people waiting for two hours
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  Speaker 8: just to get a picture taken. It was people waiting
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  Speaker 8: hours for other stuff with fancy cameras that were moving
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  Speaker 8: around and all that kind of shit.
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  Speaker 1: It was bollocks.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite content creators, Courtney Mangan, she is
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  Speaker 2: a friend of the show. She attended the TikTok Awards
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  Speaker 2: as a plus one. And she spoke about having to
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  Speaker 2: wait two hours on the red carpet to get, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that slow-mo glam vision. And I was like, oh, it
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  Speaker 2: must have just been in that sort of portion. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's technology involved to capture that shot. It's
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  Speaker 2: crazy to think that the whole red carpet area was
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  Speaker 2: actually congested for hours.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anyone who would wait two hours
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  Speaker 1: for a photo, it is an influencer. But it does
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  Speaker 1: seem a bit ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Michael said that the awards night was so busy that
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  Speaker 1: it actually felt like he was in an airport. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: he said he would have rather been in an airport.
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  Speaker 1: And he said that it was in stark contrast to
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  Speaker 1: the event two years prior, which he said was much
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  Speaker 1: smaller and more intimate. He said it was actually a
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  Speaker 1: place where creators could mingle and connect. Now, on top
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  Speaker 1: of the traffic jams at the picture walls, Dr. Michael
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  Speaker 1: said that guests were also forced to pay their own way.
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  Speaker 1: So at the previous events that he's attended, he said
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  Speaker 1: they put on free food and free drink, But this
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  Speaker 1: time around, there was none of that. And he complained
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  Speaker 1: that he was slugged $ 28 for a drink.
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  Speaker 2: See, when I was watching Courtney's content from the TikTok Awards,
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  Speaker 2: I saw that her and her friend bought like big
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  Speaker 2: bags of chips to take in. And they were kind of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the nosebleed area. And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's because, you know, the content creator she went with,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't familiar with her.
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  Speaker 1: She's a Taylor Swift content creator.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, maybe they put the like smaller
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  Speaker 2: time content creators, you know, higher up. But then when
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  Speaker 2: I saw, as I referenced earlier, AIMS up higher, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, hang on, what's going on? Like, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make any sense. You can't invite people as guests to
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  Speaker 2: an awards night and then ask them to pay for
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  Speaker 2: the food.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as Dr. Michael said, as if TikTok couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: a sponsor, a food or drink sponsor, like surely someone
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  Speaker 1: would have been happy with the amount of people who
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  Speaker 1: are creating content around this to put their food or
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  Speaker 1: drink brand forward.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting because the award night was held at the
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  Speaker 2: ICC Sydney Theatre, which only last week was renamed TikTok
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  Speaker 2: Entertainment Centre. So it makes sense that they decided in
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  Speaker 2: order to show off this new venue that they've got
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  Speaker 2: naming rights to, that they wanted to invite a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people, use the theatre at its greatest, and also
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  Speaker 2: just go, okay, well, everyone can buy food and drink
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  Speaker 2: from the vendors at the theatre. But I mean, that
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  Speaker 2: has completely backfired.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, underneath Dr. Michael's video, there were quite a
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  Speaker 1: number of people who shared their disgust in creators having
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  Speaker 1: to pay for their own food. One said, it's a
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: bit bizarre to have an Australian version of these awards
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: when the platform doesn't even pay Australian creators. While another said,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I can't fathom not even getting a free drink, especially
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: in a country that doesn't pay its creators a cent. Now,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: there were a couple of followers who asked Dr. Michael,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: why are there so many creators talking up the event
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and saying how well run it was and that they
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: loved it? And he pointed out that it's basically so
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: that they can secure themselves an invite next year. I mean,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Brittany Saunders found herself off the guest list this year
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: after she gave her honest feedback on last year's award.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: It's not exactly surprising that some creators are trying to
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: sing TikTok's praises and they're not wanting to ruffle any feathers.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, Brittany Saunders is probably counting her lucky stars
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: that she didn't go to that.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It was a blessing in disguise. Now, Frankie Evans,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: who is a micro-influencer with 32,000 followers on TikTok, agreed
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: with Dr. Michael's sentiment.
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: TikTok Awards, couple of impressions might get me in trouble.
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: Last night I re-attended my year 10 formal. I feel
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: like it was quite a tacky event. The hosts started with,
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: who's done a shit tonight? Let's give a round of applause.
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: For the toilets.
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: Creators and influencers were vaping inside. The whole room was
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: so foggy because of the vape. Like so, so foggy.
• 18:41
  Speaker 10: And I just thought that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: Was extremely disrespectful. And security spent all night yelling at
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: girls because everyone's dresses kept getting caught.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: In the escalators.
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: I think it was a very, very hard crowd to please.
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: No one laughed at anything. No one was really that
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: happy for people.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I love this event being referred to as a year
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: 10 formal. I feel like that is the best description.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I just had a flashback to our year 11 formal.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: We didn't have one in year 10. The year 11
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: was our first one. And yeah, I think it sounds
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like this night it was a fucking shit show. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: remember a guy came with a cane, like a walking stick,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: which had I think pills all inside.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So that gives you an idea of the event that
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: was attended. I feel like this could have been happening
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: at the TikTok awards as well. Now, Frankie confirmed that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: creators did have to buy their own drink, as Dr.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Michael said. And she said it was kind of good
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: because it brought influencers back down to earth. I wonder
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: if maybe TikTok also didn't want influencers getting too drunk.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's a cheap thing. I don't think
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that they would have cared about that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Frankie also said that the crowd was very hard to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: please and that no one laughed at any of the jokes.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Probably because they weren't drinking. Yeah, they were all hungry.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: They were hangry. She also said that tall poppy syndrome
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: in Australia is so real. So that's a bit of
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a different side to the event. Now, another content creator
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to share their thoughts on the awards was for Darn.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So she is a And she's known for sharing her.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Day on a plate. I quite enjoy her content.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do as well. Now, this is what she
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: had to say about the bar situation.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Okay, so I've come out for the break. It's 20
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: past seven and the bar is closed.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: It's closed.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: You're allowed to have a drink. You're allowed to have
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: a soft drink. You can't have any water. You can't
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: have any drinks whatsoever because they want you to watch
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: the show. As I said, I just popped out to
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: go to the ladies and I would like a drink,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: but you can't have a drink because the bar's closed
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: until eight o'clock.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: She also said this about the media wall line.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: This is the money shot. To get the money shot,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: you've got to fucking line, right? We're not lining up.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. We're not lining up. My sister says we
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: should line up. I don't care that much to line up.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I don't need the photo. I don't want to line up.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: We're not lining up.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that she just said, fuck this.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I'm above this. I'm not lining up for a photo. Yeah,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I respect that.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: But again, I feel for the creators who, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: they've flown over. They've had to pay for that. They've
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: had to pay for a makeup artist. They paid for
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: their hair to get done. They paid for a new gown.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: You want to get a shot.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, if I had been invited
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to the TikTok Awards, I'd want to get on the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: red carpet and have my photo taken. I mean, really,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: that's what you're there for. You're there to be seen.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Indie Clinton has been forced to defend her actions on
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the TikTok Awards red carpet after a video of her
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: posing for photos went viral. At the time of recording,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the video has amassed over 1.2 million views and attracted
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of commentary. For those who haven't seen the clip, Kate,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: can you explain it?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I'll do my best considering this is an audio format.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: So Indy's husband, Ben, is the first to walk into
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: shot and he stands in front of the media wall
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and Indy kind of sweeps in behind him.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: It's almost like she's floating.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: She glided in so quickly. She then rushed over so
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: she could pose on what I'm guessing is her preferred
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: side to be photographed on.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah, I get it as well.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: She then kind of cozied up to Ben for a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: split second before rushing off in another direction. She looked
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: very frantic and she was sort of twisting and readjusting herself.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was wearing an absolutely stunning gown designed
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: by Effie Katz. It had a very plunging neckline. So
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: she was obviously trying not to have a wardrobe malfunction.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: The way she was floating around, it almost reminded me
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: of the Tooth Fairy character that she's been playing for
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: her kids, I think. Is it called Opal, the Tooth Fairy?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I can't remember its name, but it was.
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: Like, ooh.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Well, she ended up standing long enough with Ben for
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: photos to be taken before he exited the shot for
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: her individual photos. And again, Indy looked really frazzled as
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the photographers yelled things out at her. She then said,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: oh my God, you all want me. What the hell?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: It's a bit in contrast to the experience of some
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: other creators that we've just documented have experienced. Very interesting.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Now, the comments on this video have been switched off
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: because they got very defamatory. Before the comments were turned off,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Indie shared a video reply to a comment that read,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: you literally look cracked out on the carpet at the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: TikTok awards girl. Let's take a listen to what Indie said.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: I usually address things like this, but I thought I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: going to stand up for myself because I hate when
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: people spread untrue things about me. There's a video going
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: around of me on the red carpet at the TikTok
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: Awards that is going viral because of the way I
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: was acting, I guess. Just to give you a little
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: sprinkle of context, I have been working every day, every
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: night for the last two weeks. So I'm extremely tired,
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: like overwhelmed, tired, burnt out.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I'm done.
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: I got to the awards super late, so I had
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: five more minutes until the red carpet closed and they
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: really wanted to rush me through because the awards were
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: about to start. Similar to the behavior we saw from
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: journalists last year at the TikTok Awards and more recently
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: at Australian Fashion Week, one of the reporters tried to
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: create a viral moment.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: This time it was by trying to get Indy to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: talk about her nose job.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: Second interview. Um, there was only two questions and the
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: second question was like, what's your wabi-sabi? And I was like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: what is it? What is a wabi-sabi? She goes, oh,
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: it's like something that's like off center, a bit wonky
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: or something. You know, like my wabi-sabi is my tooth.
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: My head, I'm like, I'm not mentioning this because like,
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: I don't want to talk about that. Like I've just
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: spent all afternoon getting ready. I feel really good. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: didn't want to talk about it. There's so many other
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: things we could talk about. I'm like, okay, cool. My
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: wabi-sabi is like my off center middle part. Like it's
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: always off center. Like it's always wonky. Her response was,
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: oh my God, I thought you were going to say
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: your nose.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Sorry?
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: Like what?
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Now, Indy went on to say that she told the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: reporter that she can't comment legally about her nose and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: said that the questions really threw her and she suddenly
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: felt like she didn't want to be there at the event.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: She just wanted to go home.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I can understand that though. I think people are forgetting
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: how traumatic the past eight months has been for Indy.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: She has been relentlessly trolled and bullied over this nose job.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's different when she jumps on her own platform and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: decides that she wants to talk about it or she
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: appears on a podcast and has approved those questions. But
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: this is all in a bid for TikTok to create
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a viral moment and essentially create more trolling.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Well, we all know what type of comments would have
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: been put under that video. And it gives you an
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: insight into the headspace she would have been in when
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: she appeared on the red carpet.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: She's got all these photographers.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yelling and screaming at her while trying to work out,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: you know, what angle she wants to.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Be photographed in. Yeah, well, that's another thing as well.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: She probably was feeling quite self-conscious about being captured from
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: a ton of different angles with photographers who we've heard
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: are very rude. I mean, maybe a lot of the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: commentary came from people who don't actually follow Indy's content.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Because when I saw that vision, I thought, that's just
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Indy being Indy. She's always a bit crazy and out there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: In saying that though, there was a lot of commentary
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: on Indy's video saying, oh, I was ready to go
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to war for you. And then I saw the vision.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: If I was Indy's PR manager, I probably would have
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: told her to ignore the video because what she's done
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: is actually drive more attention to it. It's gone even
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: more viral You know, we've seen that the comments have
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: now been switched off, I'm assuming because they were so defamatory.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Because these are defamatory claims being made against Indy Clinton
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that she has come out and said is not true.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: We need to take her word on that. I mean,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: it was pretty funny because she ended up sharing a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: photo of her and Ben eating a lobster dinner 30
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: minutes after the awards night saying, Oh, you know, we
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: weren't even partying. Like, this is us enjoying a meal.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Probably hungry because they didn't get any food at the awards.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I actually think it's good that she did address
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the rumors and flat out say, no, there's no truth
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to that. Because sometimes when you don't comment, it looks
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like you're trying to hide something.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I understand why she did it, because if that was
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: me and I'm like, this is completely untrue, I would
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: want to clear my own name. But I think it
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: just kind of made it go more viral and led
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to further speculation. There was also a lot of negative commentary,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: people saying that they weren't happy that Indy said she
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: was exhausted. One person wrote, you know, most of us
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: work almost every day, every week, right?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Laugh out loud.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: That comment got 25,000 likes on her own page. That
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: pissed me off though, because I'm like, okay, what India
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: is trying to say is in addition to her full-time
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: job as a mother of three, which is the hardest
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: fucking job in the world, she also works as a
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: content creator and a stakeholder in a business. So yeah,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: she would be bloody busy.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Adam Hyde's iconic performance alongside the Wiggles at the TikTok
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Awards has been soured following the release of a backstage
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: TikTok video. Kate, can you tell us more?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Well, when Vision from Adam's performance was shared across social media,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of us had to do a double take
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: when Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom appeared on stage
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: next to Abby Chatfield. So Anthony joined in on the
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: bagpipes while Adam sung Dancing 2. while the Tree of
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Wisdom was a backup dancer.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: And was Abby playing the bongo drums? Yeah, it was
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: just iconic. I mean, that clip went everywhere.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Now, following the awards, Adam shared a video backstage with
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom. And in the clip,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Adam is seen gyrating with just a towel on around
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: his waist, while Anthony performed his signature Wiggles Fingers. Now,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the tree also did his special dance. The problem was
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the clip was set to Adam's new single, Ecstasy. So
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: in the chorus of the song, Adam sings, Hey girl,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: come on dance with me, you and your pocket of ecstasy.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Now Adam captioned the video, The Wiggles.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Get it. Now the backlash was very swift. People started
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: accusing The Wiggles of endorsing drug use. The Wiggles ended
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: up having to release a statement saying they do not
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: condone the use of drugs in any form. The statement continued,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the content being shared was not created or approved by
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: us and we have asked for it to be removed.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: While Kelly Holliday, in brackets, Adam Hyde, is a friend
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of the Wiggles, the video and the music added to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it were created independently and without our knowledge. Our performance
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: at the TikTok Awards was family friendly and fun and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: this video was edited together separately and without our awareness.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: To Adam's credit, he ended up removing the video from TikTok.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about this day and age.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Even though he's removed it, there's been so many people
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: who've saved the video and screen recorded it. You can
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: easily find it.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Also, with the video being removed, while, you know, there's
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: some people resharing it, I saw these headlines and I
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, my God. Like, you know, when you
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: only briefly read it, I was like, were the Wiggles
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: caught out doing drugs with Adam Hyde backstage? Like, that's
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: what I initially thought. I was actually telling Rhys, I'm like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: did you hear about that? And he goes, no, wasn't
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: it just a video with a song? And I was like, oh,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: that makes more sense. But it seems like they were
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: completely unaware of the song that was actually going to
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: be put behind the vision.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough was a notable no-show at the TikTok Awards.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: despite being nominated for Creator of the Year. Her absence
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: sent the rumor mill into overdrive, sparking some outlandish stories. Kate,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: can you tell us more?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I had been waiting all day to see what Tammy
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: wore to the event. I was expecting a Get Ready
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: With Me video and an outfit reveal at the very least.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: But what I got was radio silence. And when she
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: didn't appear on the red carpet, I was really thrown
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: because it was clear she wasn't home on the Gold
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Coast either. So Tammy's ex-fiancé and baby daddy, Matt Paul,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: had been posting from their daughter Posey's dance concert alongside
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: his new fiancé, Annalise Otway. And Tammy was nowhere to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: be seen.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Well, Matt did point out that Annalise did Posey's makeup
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and got her ready for the event.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: And I remember seeing this vision and thinking, God, Tammy
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: would be so sad to be missing out on this.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But she must be in Sydney for the TikTok Awards.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: That's clearly why she's not there. But of course, she
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: ended up not being there. So Tammy's absence took a
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: lot of people by surprise, particularly considering she was part
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: of the promo for the awards, not to mention the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: fact that she was nominated for the biggest award.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And when people realized that Tammy wasn't at the awards,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: rumors started swirling in particular when people also noticed that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Tammy's ex-husband, Matt Sikowski, wasn't there.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Now, whispers among the award attendees spread to the media
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and the Daily Mail started investigating a story that Tammy
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: was overseas filming for I'm.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: A Celeb with Matt.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: They actually got quotes from people at the event saying, oh,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that's what they had heard.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Tammy added further fuel to the fire because she ended
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: up being MIA from socials following the event. She only
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: ended up sharing some pre-recorded Black Friday sales content. But
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: apart from that, She didn't share where she was or
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: what she'd been up to.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And it seemed like this story about I'm a celeb
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: could be true because Annalise also shared on social media
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that she and Matt were looking after Posey full time
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: while Tammy was away for a month. I knew this
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: whole thing was bullshit though from the get go because
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Matt revealed on his podcast on Wednesday that he wasn't
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: invited to.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: The TikTok awards. I'm not surprised that he wasn't invited, though.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: He's only got 13,000 followers on there, so he's not
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: even really a micro-influencer.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: He still appears to be very much in the country
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: as well. I mean, I'm aware that he could have
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: banked up some content to make it look like he
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: is still here, but he's been posting on his stories
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: quite a lot with his sister's golden retriever and with
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: his manager.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I found those photos interesting. So Matt is represented
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: by One Daydream, which is a leading influencer and talent
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  Speaker 1: agency and also a podcast network. And in the series
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  Speaker 1: of photos, he and his talent manager, Jenna, are in
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  Speaker 1: the one daydream office. And Matt was poking fun at
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  Speaker 1: Jenna for wearing a tie. And then they recreated a
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  Speaker 1: scene from the office. And I mean, side note, these
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: ties are apparently all the rage with Gen Zers. I've
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: seen a couple of influencers, including Saffron Barker, wearing these
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  Speaker 1: when they're out and about. Like she wore one in
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  Speaker 1: Paris as if it was this huge fashion moment.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not even going to comment on fashion because,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know, for the At least a year now,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I've just predominantly been wearing leggings.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently they're out of fashion now as well. It's devastating. Now,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: aside from that, I just think it's really interesting that
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  Speaker 1: Matt has been signed by a large agency like One Daydream.
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  Speaker 1: It's not quite clear if this is a new signing.
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  Speaker 1: I think perhaps he's been on their books for a
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: couple of months now. I mean, it does make sense
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: because his marriage to Tammy Hembrough has obviously helped lift
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: his profile. But I was fascinated to see how they
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  Speaker 1: described him on their website as talent. So I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they're probably desperate to mention Tammy in there. Fortunately for him,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't. So it read, Matt Zukowski, a standout from
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  Speaker 1: Love Island Australia season two, captivates with his cheeky charm
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  Speaker 1: and quick wit, earning himself the runner's up title. A
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  Speaker 1: family man, he enjoys time with his sisters, NFL and
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  Speaker 1: horror films. I thought it was funny that they mentioned that.
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  Speaker 1: It continued, passionate about health, fitness and fashion, Matt divides
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  Speaker 1: his time between creating content and modelling. Alongside Anna McAvoy,
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  Speaker 1: a former contestant and close friend, he co-hosts the podcast
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  Speaker 1: Wears Your Head Out, offering insights into relationships, laughter, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: advice from both gender perspectives.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a nice write-up. I originally thought that
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  Speaker 2: the woman in the photo with Matt was another content
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  Speaker 2: creator or influencer. I didn't realize it was his actual manager.
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  Speaker 2: And did you get a bit of like flirty vibe
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  Speaker 2: between them?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. And that's why I took note of it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, interesting well she was a beautiful she's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: a beautiful girl yeah well i was like is he
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  Speaker 1: posting this because he's just signed with the agency but
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: then i had a look and he wasn't actually no
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  Speaker 1: talent on.
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  Speaker 2: No he's been with them for a while she's the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: brains behind the fit checks that they do oh i
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: see the you know the hand that you normally see
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: in them the gun hand well.
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  Speaker 1: She obviously got him an invite to the wicked premiere
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  Speaker 1: as well which seems to be up his alley if
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: he's into movies and Well.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Getting back to where Tammy Hembrough actually is, the only
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: element of truth to the rumors that were flying around
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: is that Tammy is in fact filming for a reality show.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: It's not I'm a Celebrity, though.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, she's appearing on Channel 9's new show Shark, which
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: started production in the Bahamas a week and a half ago.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Back in October, we discussed how the Herald Sun had
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: reported Tammy's name was mentioned as a cast member on
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the show during Channel 9's Upfronts. I'm a bit disappointed
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: because I would much prefer to see her on I'm
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: a Celeb. This show sounds a little bit weird. It
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: basically puts celebrities to the test by making them do
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a bunch of challenges, which include close encounters with sharks.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: It is a bit of a weird show. Didn't she
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: get some sort of diving thing recently?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in August she spoke a lot about doing a
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: scuba diving course, so it all makes a lot of sense.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And on Saturday she finally addressed the speculation as to
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: why she didn't attend the awards.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: Guys, I'm so sad that I have had to miss
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: the TikTok Awards.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not home at the moment. But, yeah, I know
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit MIA, but.
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  Speaker 7: I'll be back.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, maybe she got the heads up that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: she wasn't winning Creative of the Year and thought, well,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I've got better and bigger things on.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think they would have given her the award
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: if she couldn't attend? Like, it wouldn't have been a
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: good look.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Really think that she is TikTok creator of the year.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she lip syncs to a few videos
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and yes, she did drop the bomb about her divorce
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: on there, but I don't, I think that there's more
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: worthy winners than her.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was one of the only creators I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: actually knew who was up for the award.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So that's why I thought she should have won. Yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: but then again, that's the beauty of TikTok. Someone could
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: have 3 million followers and you've got no idea who
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they are. It's whatever niche or algorithm you're being served up.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: That is where we will leave things today. Thank you
• 36:13
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• 36:16
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