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SMNTY Classics: May Princess Leia Be With You (Part 1) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Steph whan never told you a production
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  Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio, And welcome to our one of many Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars classics are going to run this month, beginning with
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  Speaker 2: our two partner and Princess Leah. To everyone who's listened,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I adore her. Carrie Fisher got her honorary
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  Speaker 2: Star today because today is May the fourth, as we
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  Speaker 2: record it, And you know, I could have It's a
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  Speaker 2: joke that I make several times in this, but I
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  Speaker 2: could have just talked about her on and on and on,
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  Speaker 2: and I have had new thoughts since this, So it's
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  Speaker 2: one of those things where I just it makes me
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  Speaker 2: very happy. It brings a smile to my face when
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  Speaker 2: I think about it. There is this on Princess Leiah
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  Speaker 2: in our upcoming book, which you can pre order it
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  Speaker 2: stuff you should read books dot com. But I just
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  Speaker 2: adore her. I love her so much. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm filled with joy, but so much joy. I hope
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  Speaker 2: this classic brings you joy as well, so please please
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  Speaker 2: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Smitha
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  Speaker 2: and welcome to stephf Mom've never told you a production
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  Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. I am so excited right now. Yes, my
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  Speaker 2: heart is racing. Yes, I couldn't sleep last night.
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  Speaker 1: I like this anticipation of what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because we're finally talking about a hero of mine,
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  Speaker 2: Princess Leiah and feminist them.
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  Speaker 1: And at this point this is where like Canaan's and
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  Speaker 1: like sparks should be going off, all the sound effects.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, my brain is like the death Star exploding.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: There you go there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is the longest outline I've ever written,
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  Speaker 2: so long, it's twenty one pages.
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  Speaker 1: I will say partially, I'm going to say it was
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  Speaker 1: my fault because I told you to have ad it.
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  Speaker 1: This is your project, this is your baby, and do
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  Speaker 1: it so I and I think you held back.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely held back. I definitely was like, at some point,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to stop or you might just die
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  Speaker 2: here research.
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  Speaker 1: I think I told you. I like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: need you to wrap it up now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Last night I sent Samantha text and I just
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  Speaker 2: had circled like how long it was and how many
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  Speaker 2: tabs I had left, and she was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh god, that that was literally the only response
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  Speaker 1: I could.
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  Speaker 2: Give was oh God, yeah, oh, and I would.
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  Speaker 1: I would go in to look at the outline while
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  Speaker 1: I'm working to one thing to see where we were,
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  Speaker 1: and I know, like day three was page nine and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's gonna be a long one.
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  Speaker 2: It definitely is, which means it's a two parter. So
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  Speaker 2: in this one, we're gonna focus on the basics of
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars and Princess Leah threw a new hope and
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  Speaker 2: Empire strikes back. Yeah, we're pretty much sticking to the
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  Speaker 2: original trilogy and then no be a Kuldar Finger and
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  Speaker 2: you'll have to wait to figure out what we think
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  Speaker 2: about the metal bikini in Return of the Jedi, and
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  Speaker 2: then the feminism of Leah and my own a personal
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  Speaker 2: ani original on my thoughts of around Luke Skywalker's feminism
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  Speaker 2: and the feminism of the Force.
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  Speaker 1: So right, and before we start, just to let you know,
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  Speaker 1: we did actually do a viewing social distance viewing of
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  Speaker 1: the trilogy, the originals, the Originals, because I, to many
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  Speaker 1: people's chagrin, have never actually watched a full Star Wars movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I will say, if you know anything about the house,
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  Speaker 1: stuff works, family Slash, iHeartMedia family. There are some diehards
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  Speaker 1: in here, I mean true, true diehards. Holly Fry was very,
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  Speaker 1: very disappointed in the fact that I had never seen
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  Speaker 1: one of these. She was very forgiving, yeah, but disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: I made sure that I let her know, yes, guess
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  Speaker 1: what we're watching it. I feel like she was pretty
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  Speaker 1: excited for us. But yes, I have never actually seen
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  Speaker 1: a full Star Wars movie. I've been around it quite
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  Speaker 1: a while. You know, it's been out there on random
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  Speaker 1: TVs at bars and restaurants because it is played a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And of course I've seen it while flitting past while
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  Speaker 1: channel surfing, but never fully committed to watch any of these.
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  Speaker 1: I will say it was never part of my childhood.
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  Speaker 1: It was never a part of anybody in my family's childhood.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame the orphanage that I was in for
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  Speaker 1: a while. We didn't watch movies come on and and
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  Speaker 1: again I'm a little older, so I would have been
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  Speaker 1: right outside of when it was popular. I think right
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  Speaker 1: before right after, you know what I mean, Because it
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  Speaker 1: came out in the seventies. The popularity hit it in
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  Speaker 1: the nineties, seventies, eighties, so it was kind of all
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  Speaker 1: that time and I will say after months months.
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  Speaker 2: Begging, yeah, I don't love it.
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  Speaker 1: Well actual studio. Yes, by the way, all she did
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  Speaker 1: this whole really sweet video, but how much she cared
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  Speaker 1: about me with an ending that said please watch Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars essentially was what went down, and even some bartering,
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  Speaker 1: like I almost got some free luggage out of this.
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  Speaker 1: I had to step back. I was like, that's corol,
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  Speaker 1: that'n't mean but did She's like, I'll watch whatever you want.
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  Speaker 2: I will.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't decided whether that's gonna be yet though. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, that we finally finally committed to a day
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  Speaker 1: of marathon ing in the midst of the pandemic, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what else am I going to do? Right? And so
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  Speaker 1: with that I decided to go ahead and write. So
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  Speaker 1: this is what I wrote before she started the actual outline, y'all,
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  Speaker 1: the twenty one page outline of my views of what
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  Speaker 1: I knew of the movie before I watched the actual movies.
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  Speaker 1: So I know Harrison Ford and he was involved with
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  Speaker 1: this obviously, and the iconic Carrie Fisher, who was an
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  Speaker 1: amazing woman, and of course Mark Hamill, your crush with
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  Speaker 1: that I know, Luke, I am your father Chebacca and
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  Speaker 1: the dark side. Of course, I remember the weird giant
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  Speaker 1: slime thing that for some reason in prisons and grossly
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  Speaker 1: sexualizes Leah, and that there's a gold robot R two
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  Speaker 1: D two. I know those letters. Oh no, but I
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  Speaker 1: know those letters. And of course space in the future
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  Speaker 1: with lots of laser guns, which apparently I found out
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  Speaker 1: later they don't know how to aim. They don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to do it, doesn't know and of course laser swords.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna lie. I mixed some of the
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  Speaker 1: scenes up with Spaceballs because I had a roommate who
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  Speaker 1: loved that movie, and also we would watch that together.
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  Speaker 1: And of course I mean John Candy. He should have
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  Speaker 1: been in Star Wars, right, that was a missed opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Who doesn't love John Candy? Didn't this? I know. I
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  Speaker 1: did go in thinking this may make or break my
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Aie, but I will be here to tell
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  Speaker 1: you that it didn't. Except there was There was one
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  Speaker 1: of those moments when the holiday special came on. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what in the hell is this? And why?
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  Speaker 1: I did question a lot of things.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that is fair. One of my favorite tweets from
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  Speaker 2: fellow podcasters stuff. You should know. They did a whole
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  Speaker 2: episode on the Holiday special and it was something like
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  Speaker 2: no one could explain what happened that night in nineteen seventy.
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  Speaker 2: It's infamously awful. Yeah, yeah, I yes, we're still friends.
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  Speaker 2: We made it through, and I do love how this
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  Speaker 2: kept happening. When we were watching it too. We kept
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  Speaker 2: saying it's in the future, but it's actually a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago in a galaxy far far away. And you
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  Speaker 2: did the thing, you got the line.
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  Speaker 1: Drug it's true. I did. I know it's actually no,
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  Speaker 1: I am your father. I got it now. I got
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  Speaker 1: it now. But yes, as many as we know, as
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  Speaker 1: many have gotten that wrong, Luke, I am her Father's no,
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  Speaker 1: I am your father. But hey, I got it. I've
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  Speaker 1: got that in my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's a whole it's a whole thing. There's been
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  Speaker 2: YouTube videos about why we do that, so it's all good.
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  Speaker 2: And I also had to get pretty good at translating
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  Speaker 2: Samantha Star Wars speak like gold. I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: ever got c threepo. It was always like gold Robot
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  Speaker 2: or gold Man or gold gold dude. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: like baby Jet, which was the why we was a
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  Speaker 2: baby jet, so I had to get good at that.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, for me, asking you to watch Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars is like a proposal. If it's my love language.
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  Speaker 2: It's like sharing a piece of my soul. I was
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  Speaker 2: really nervous about it. Honestly, I was really nervous about
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  Speaker 2: doing this, even though I've had the outline for like
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  Speaker 2: eight months. I'm embarrassed by how important it is to me,
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  Speaker 2: and then angry that I'm embarrassed about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think you need to be embarrassed
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  Speaker 1: at all, because, first of all, as a good friend,
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  Speaker 1: you shared a part of yourself with me that you
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  Speaker 1: love and I love that. Secondly, you're really good at
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  Speaker 1: translating my Star Wars speaker. You did better than the
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  Speaker 1: partner who watched it with me, and he was also
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  Speaker 1: excited that I was finally watching it. And again, you
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  Speaker 1: are the one that convinced me to watch it, not him.
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  Speaker 1: Just as a reminder, but yeah, I definitely may have
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  Speaker 1: called the smaller jets baby jets. I may have called
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  Speaker 1: a few robuts baby robots, baby Goldman robots, robot man dick.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: I called him a dick a couple of thousand, like dude,
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  Speaker 1: that guy's a dick. It just keeps running away. What's
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: wrong with Well, yes, I had to create nicknames shorthands
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: in order for me to figure out who was what
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  Speaker 1: and why and just again just why. To be fair,
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  Speaker 1: that may have been more with the holiday special of
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  Speaker 1: like what is happening and why? Oh well, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I digress.
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  Speaker 2: That is totally fair. I actually like I saved my
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  Speaker 2: text message change because I only watched that for the
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  Speaker 2: first time like a year ago, and I saved my
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  Speaker 2: text message change with my friend and I love it.
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  Speaker 2: It is so funny because I also have a similar
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  Speaker 2: reaction because people can prepare you, but they can't really
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  Speaker 2: prepare you. It is that mad.
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  Speaker 1: It is so bad.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, A brief rundown of my experience with Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: fandom because I I actually don't remember a time having
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  Speaker 2: not seen them. I saw the original trilogy when I
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  Speaker 2: was four years old, and I love them, even if
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: even at four I was like, oh, I don't buy
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  Speaker 2: this force thing. I don't think that's real. They are
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  Speaker 2: super nostalgic for me. Even watching them now. I remember
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  Speaker 2: Obi Wan always. My dad always quoted obi Wan, and
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: I can't hear Obi Wan's voice without thinking about my
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  Speaker 2: dad doing Yoda and Darth Vader voices with my brothers.
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  Speaker 2: I fell in love with my first cush, Luke Skywalker.
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  Speaker 2: I would pause the frame and kiss his cheek.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and put this
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  Speaker 1: out there for anyone who may have a connection with
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  Speaker 1: Mark Hamill. Her goal, y'all, her goal has been to
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  Speaker 1: get a tweet from Mark Hamill or reaction. So we've
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  Speaker 1: got to make this happen. We we're gotta make this
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  Speaker 1: dream come true.
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  Speaker 2: I think I might Actually I wouldn't die, but it
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  Speaker 2: would be a close call. Like I I think.
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  Speaker 1: You would fall out. I think you would fall out
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's really funny because I keep talking about like this scheme,
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  Speaker 2: and my scheme is literally like tweet at him. But
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  Speaker 2: I do have this plan where I'm gonna recreate the
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  Speaker 2: original trilogy from memory, which I've I've got that down.
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  Speaker 2: I think, wait.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't you already start doing that? Then you say you
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  Speaker 1: started it?
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  Speaker 2: I have been practicing perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I feel like I heard that story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a work in progress, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: I have costumes and praps and It's gonna be really
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  Speaker 2: silly and hopefully fun, and I'm going to release just
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: chunks of it every day on Instagram because otherwise it
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: would be ridiculous. But maybe then Mark Hamill will notice
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  Speaker 2: me and my life will be complete, meaning just.
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  Speaker 1: And just By the way, as she talks about costumes,
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  Speaker 1: she's actually weaving.
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  Speaker 2: I do now. I'm in the Rebel X Being fight
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  Speaker 2: suit flight suit.
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  Speaker 1: And we will have pictures of those for sure. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I talked to her an hour before we started recording,
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  Speaker 1: and she was in another costume. She did a wardrobe
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  Speaker 1: change before we started.
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  Speaker 2: I did it all for you, Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, I appreciate it. I appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: commitment and the love. And I know you're going to
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  Speaker 1: say it's cosplay, but I think this is just your life,
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  Speaker 1: and I enjoyed that even more.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I have
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  Speaker 2: spent more than one night wondering what it means that
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  Speaker 2: my first crush was Luke Skywalker and I'm dressing as
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  Speaker 2: my first crush.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: I got to take care of my mental ill. Somehow
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  Speaker 2: I got this whole evolution of Luke Skywalker cosplay. I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably just one of my goals is every week to
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  Speaker 2: wear costume at work. And this is the second time
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  Speaker 2: I've done it this week because I was the Winter
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  Speaker 2: Soldier earlier. So nailing it. You're right.
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  Speaker 1: And if you didn't see our stories. She did do
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: the podcast with Movie Crush, you should check it out,
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  Speaker 1: and she is in full costume that she put on.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a flashback she put on for that specific episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think check thought I might have lost my
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  Speaker 2: mind in Quarantine, but uh yeah, more about that later.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I had like all the toys and the
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  Speaker 2: books and the games. We had the original VHS's and
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: they I couldn't watch the last thirty minutes of any
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  Speaker 2: of them because they were overworn.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that you would tell us this is
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  Speaker 1: the part that my video starts.
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  Speaker 2: I know, And it was always like right at that
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  Speaker 2: epic climax Like this is for younger viewers, who viewers
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  Speaker 2: listeners who might not know. This was a thing where
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: if you watched a VHS so much, the tape would
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: get worn and you just couldn't watch the rest. And
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: I oh, I had this board game that I love
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: where you played along with the VHS. It was like
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: my favorite. And then my good friend Katie, who is
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: my neighbor. She and I used to recreate Jedi lightsaber
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: battles with the lights off and the music playing. We
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  Speaker 2: had a Jedi training course. I created a fictional Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars character when I was eight named Tara Polaris.
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  Speaker 1: Which, by the way, great name, Thank.
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  Speaker 2: You, thank you, and I would go dressed as her Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: People would be like, oh Obi wan Kenoby, and I'd
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: be like, uh uh, Tara Polaris, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Wait is she and your fan fiction?
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  Speaker 2: Uh No, she's not my current fan fiction, which by
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  Speaker 2: the way, is one hundred and eighty page pages along
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  Speaker 2: you guys, but she. I did write the Adventures of
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  Speaker 2: Tara Polaris as an eight year old, and unfortunately, I
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: think they've been lost in the Great Purge of high
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: school where I burned everything that I'd ever written.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to read about Tara Polaris.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: That's such a good name. I feel like that she
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: would be a character.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll introduce her into my fan fiction. Yes, please, Actually,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: what I wanted to do because I was going to
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: read a bit of my Star Wars fan fiction, but
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: it's all really depressing. I think the angst in it
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: could kill a person. So I was thinking that I
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: could put out the offer of listeners sending in prompts
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  Speaker 2: and I will try to write something and maybe we
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: can read it.
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  Speaker 1: Is it gonna be like I choose your own adventure?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean that it could be. But in fan
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: fiction usually like there'll be one shot prompts like what
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  Speaker 2: if the twin swap is a big thing in fan fation.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: What if Luke and Lea were swapped? What what happened
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  Speaker 2: in this scene? So just putting that out there everybody,
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  Speaker 2: and I had like all the posters and the stars.
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  Speaker 2: I had three thousand of those sticky stars in my ceiling.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I probably right now I'm on a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars bench. And I think it does have to
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: do with the anxiety around quarantine and pandemic, because it
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  Speaker 2: started right around then, and it is something that I
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  Speaker 2: find really nostalgic and comforting. So once a week I
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: watched something Star Wars related.
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  Speaker 1: Peane, that's not a bad thing. And I just tweeted,
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  Speaker 1: actually in my own personal account, about how there's a
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  Speaker 1: research about during times of trauma during people with anxiety
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  Speaker 1: will rewatch a lot of things, which is absolutely me.
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  Speaker 1: But I do want to call you out on one thing.
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  Speaker 1: So during our adventures and watching these movies or marathoning
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: these movies, they did turn on the Holiday Special, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, apparently the version we had is double.
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  Speaker 2: It was way longer than the version I have.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so I think you had like fifty minutes and
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: our version was an hour and forty five minutes and
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  Speaker 1: it was torture. So I was like, look halfway through.
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  Speaker 1: U stopped. It was like I can't, I can't do this.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be back when you know, when you're fitted for whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I leave, I come back and they have restarted from
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  Speaker 1: the freaking beginning of the trilogies these movies, and I
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: was like, what is happening? We just watched seven and
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a half hours of this. What is going on?
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  Speaker 2: It's really funny too, because when you came in, I
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: didn't realize you re fined us at first, and you
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: said something, what are you doing? And I turned around
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: like a child had been caught doing something wrong. I said,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: She called I was watching them again?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Was everybody was like what.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: It was quite embarrassing.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yess, it would not have been embarrassing, but I was
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: just more in shock of like, are you freaking kidding me?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: You guys, I don't know if as much as I
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: love things, I've never loved something this much.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been thinking about this for this episode, the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: level of love I have for it, which I'm trying
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to going through some of it right now. One of
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the last things Samantha and I did before Quarantine was
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: we went to Disneyland and we rode the new ride
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Rise at the Resistance, and it's a huge ordeal and
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I almost cried when I found out we were going
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: to get.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: To write day. Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: interrupt you because I need to talk about the overall
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: process as well as the level and the drama that ensued. So,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: first of all, we were in LA to do a conference,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and of course while we were in La must go
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to Disneyland. While we were in Florida, we went to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: disney World, so it only made sense in preparation of
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: going to Florida. Of course, Annie had to talk to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: our experts, Holly Fry, who, by the way, if you're
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: not following her Twitter, account. You should because she has
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: daily updates of her love for Star Wars as well,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: including all the mini dresses that she has made, in
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: clothing she has made, and dedication to Star Wars. It
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: is hardcore and amazing, right awesome, Yes, yes, so all
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of these things. So Annie decided to get the best
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: strategic way on getting this ride. And if you don't
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: know about this ride, you can't just get on it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: You have to reserve, and you have to reserve way
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to advance or you were not going to ride that ride.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And not only did we get to the park two
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: hours before it opened and very cold, l it was
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: so cold that we also walked in before the actual
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: park open. You get to go into the entrance and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: just pretty much stand there and wait. You could see
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a crowd of people, not only us, holding their phones
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: out and getting ready for whatever this reservation system was.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So as it opens, immediately Annie's like, Okay, you gotta
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: do this, this and this. All three of us, because
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: there's three of us got ready and did the thing
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: now as they did the thing. I know that was
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: very flippant, but it was a whole thing. By the way,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: you have to download the app, get to this ride,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: reserve on this ride as a crew whatever whatnot. Annie
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is watching and as we sit there and one of
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: us finally shouts, we got it. Not only does any
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and the entirety of the Disney crowd let out this
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: whoa in the middle of nothing like You're like, what
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: is happening? But Annie turns around away from us in
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: silence and turns back around and she's like, oh my god,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I can't believe. I just can't believe. Oh my god.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And I see tears in her eyes and I'm going,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: oh my god, Annie, are you are you? Are you crying?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And you were like, no, yes, It's just so good.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It's just gonna be so good. And in anticipation of
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the fact that we were actually going to ride the ride,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and I will say, it is a really good ride.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Xt my own Donald wasn't it And I didn't know
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he was a bad guy in the New York movies.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I still love him. It's fine, I'm a fan, but
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it was, Oh cuss, I forgot. I also got yelled
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: at but one of the Stormtrooper dudes because I couldn't
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: figure out how to follow the line.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm traumatized by that. Moment, I'm not gonna lie. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: feel like, huh, those guys are coming to get me.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: He blamed you. The rebellion was losing the resistance.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the reaction on your face, the reaction
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: on the crowd in the crowd was so big. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: was actually taking aback.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wild. It was wild because it was
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: like total silence for thirty seconds and then screaming.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: The shouts, the shouts of celebration was unreal.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And the level I've reached is I now fantasize, like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: legitimately fantasize about getting to see these movies without knowing
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the ending of Return of the Jedi. I like, I've
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: read old speculation articles about how people thought it was
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: going in what did it mean? Luke was wearing all black?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: He's gonna turn evil? And I interview my older friends
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: about it, tell me what was like, what did you
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: think was gonna happen? And I want it so badly.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And even as a person who never actually watched
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: or cared about these movies previously, I still knew how
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it ended. So yeah, that's definitely a thing. As iconic
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: as these movies are, it's inevitable you kind of know
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're gonna and we're gonna talk about that
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: for a minute, just the cultural impact these movies have
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: had and why it's important that we're talking about it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to throw in there because yes, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: was recently on movie crush for The Winter Soldier. I'm
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: going to be on there next for The Empire Strikes Back.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: That I have been annoying Samantha with my new belief
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that they're in many ways the same movie, just been
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: texting her like evidence I find. I recently discovered the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Sebastian san mar Cammel viral.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Thing, which I'm really surprised by because I even I
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: saw that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I missed it, and a new hope.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: The first one slashed. The fourth one came out on
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: May twenty fifth, which is the same day The Winter
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Soldiers true identity as Bucky was revealed in the comics,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and the day my parents got married, so special day
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and also Holly Holly's birthday.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, super fan experts. She's not superfan, she's a like
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Star Wars expert.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Oh god. Yeah, we were joking that we need to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: make a chart of like the level of Star Wars fandom,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: she's the top.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, you're the middle. Yeah, and even like I think
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of my partner who also loves it, I was like, no,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you don't meet Annie. You're a little lower than her.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And then myself, I was like, I'm at the bottom,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and I like, well, I can't say I'm at bottom anymore.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I finally watched it. So now I'm a novice.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a novious sub Jedi patawe as they say,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: which I still don't know of them. That's okay, I'll
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: do not it is no try so yeah, yeah, that's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: that's kind of where we are on our levels of fandom.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And today I'm so excited to talk about Lea raghana Ak,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Princess Leah. We are mostly going to focus on the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: original trilogy, because we talked about Leah in the new
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: trilogy Slash the Sequels and our feminism of Star Wars episode,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: which I think came out two years ago on May
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the fourth, of course, but we'll touch on that for sure,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: because there are a lot of interesting things and conversations
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: we had and as a kid, I totally loved her,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: which was a big deal because I'm kind of ashamed
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to admit this, but usually, like I was fine with
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: female characters, but they were never my favorite or I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: didn't even necessarily like them, really, And I think that
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: might be because female characters aren't written as well off.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: But I loved her and I thought she was so
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: funny and smart and brave. And I did love her hair.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome she had good hair. She did.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And I asked my friend Katie, who I've mentioned she
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: was like my Star Wars partner in crime, and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: asked her what she could remember of Princess Leiah as
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a kid, and she wrote me back. I thought that
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: she was beautiful. I loved her white dress. I thought
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: she was badass in Return of the Jedi. I loved
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: when she was the bounty Hunter. I did think it
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: was too mean for her. I remember liking her voice
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and how precise she was when she said her words.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I hated the needle scene. A needle scene was very scary. Yes,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and we have talked before about the importance of costuming
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: in our feminism of Star Wars episode, and I do
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: think there's something to be said for the fact that
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: most of her costumes are functional, but also feminine. Don't worry. Yes,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the metal of bikini. Oh
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: my god. And I also forgot to mention that in
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the original ending of Return of the Jedi, Hondaes becomes
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: starth Vader and ordered the destruction of all the rebellion
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and listeners.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Just so you know. She did tell me this during
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the movie viewing.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I only recently found that out, and I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: blew my mind.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there were so many things that you
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: were talking about, including the transition for loose outerwear.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think this is the best way to say white
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to great black. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So there
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: was a lot of conversation that was had between my
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: partner and Annie, and there are so many things that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what is happening, but this
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: nerd out is amazing from Afar and also annoying. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: don't know what to do right now. I'm both impressed
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and annoyed.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: We're endearing but annoying. It was so endearing.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I love that they have each
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: other to talk about this, but what is happening?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that's probably all the rest of this episode will go.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: So politics in advance. I did want to talk about
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the cultural impact of Star Wars because this is something
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: that's been on my mind since we read Whiskey and
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Ribbons for our book club and there were all these
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Star Wars references in it, and it got me to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: thinking what it must be like to be a part
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of something that big, where you could just be reading
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: something I never would have imagined there would be multiple
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Star Wars references in that book, where a character you
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: played or story you're part of is just kind of ubiquitous.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And so I actually started making a graph keeping count
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: of all the Star Wars references I encounter every day
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: where I'm not like, not expecting to find them or
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: hear them. And it's between five and ten. Uh, I'm
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: going to make a chart and I'm going to post
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: it is great.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So I got asked, it is three point thirty today.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: We've been recording since too. How many references thus far
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: before the six Wow?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. It really is stunning. How many
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: It just pops up and I'm like, oh, hey, there
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you go. I think it was dead eye, dead eye
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: mind trick. Uh, and is the last one I heard today?
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: So in case you somehow don't know. Star Wars is
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: a science fantasy space opera franchise created by George Lucas
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of currently eleven movies, TV shows, books, comics, toys, video games,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: theme parks, dedicated conventions, radio dramas, music parodies, musical parities,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: all Lale, weird out, and documentaries. It's been involved in
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: science politics, pretty much everything that you can imagine, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: inspired a massive fan community. The memes, the memes, art, cosplay,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: fan fiction experts have written about Star Wars as an
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: American mythology, inspiring people to create their own thing. It's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: now owned by Disney and has an estimated net worth
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: of seventy billion dollars and holds the Guinness World Record
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: for most successful film merchandising franchise. When the original trilogy
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: came out, beginning with a New Hope in nineteen seventy
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: seven and followed by The Empire Strikes Back in nineteen
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: eighty and Returned the Jedi nineteen eighty three, it changed Hollywood.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It revolutionized special effects. I annoyed Samantha with the paper
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I wrote in fifth grade all about the special effects
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: of Star Wars and the Nike shoe that they for
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: some reason took out a Return of the Jedi.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: She did mention when it was and where it was.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I was like it was back there, And things like
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: industrial light and magic still around today came out of
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: this and sound effect systems that we still use and
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: for better our worse, because you will find people that
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: really think this was the end of cinema, the understanding
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: that you could make more form of merchandising than the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: films themselves. It also introduced the idea of toy sets
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and collectibles. It was the first blockbuster series. It started
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the whole trend of having summer blockbuster releases. It modeled
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the trilogy story structure and was the first to contain
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: many genres in one movie. The plot twist and the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Empire Strikes Back as one of the most influential plot
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: twists in history, and a New Hope was the first
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to surpass the three hundred million dollar mark adjusted for inflation.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It's still one of the highest grossing movies of all time,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and it revitalized interest in space based entertainment, making way
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: for the Star Trek motion picture series. And one of
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: my other faves that Samantha was also very patient with
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: me about alien among so many other things. Some comic
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: experts say the popularity of the Star Wars comic single
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: handedly saved Marvel. It goes beyond that too. Harry Potter
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was influenced by Star Wars so many things. They came
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: out during a time when there was all these feelings
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: of hopelessness, and the stories of the time reflected that,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the stories that people were watching in movie theaters, but
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: not Star Wars right.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So again, by the way, these are all Annis research things,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and I just wanted to be in here for a
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: voice because her love for it. There's no way I
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: could ever imagine so from findango dot com. In it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: forty years of existence as an entertainment property, it has
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: also become a cultural entity unlike any other, a phenomenon
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that has probably influenced pop culture more than anything else
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in our time. Contributing editor at Wired, Daniel Night Griffiths
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: wrote in maybe one of a million universes does George
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Luca's combination of narrative structure of a fairy tale with
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: model making an aesthetic of a downbeat, broken future sci
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: fi movies of the seventies even get made In one
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: out of ability, it turns out to be the most
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: successful independent creative enterprises of all time.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I think of that a lot because I know we
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: all have heard the stories of the actors coming on
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: set and seeing like a walking trash can and thinking out,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: my career is ruined.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But you told us about Harrison Ford trying to leave
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: several times and then coming back.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Well, and it totally influenced the pot of the movies.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: That's why the Carbonat scene exists. I can see it
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: like just all of these things had to turn out correctly,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and amazingly they did, or else it could have been
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: a very ridiculous lip like flop. Right.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And by the way, during the movie, the entirety of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the time, while Annie was talking about this is what
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: was happening, this could have been what happened. My partner
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: was like, this is where they put through gi At
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: backwards and they didn't need to do this, and they
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: made this.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So it was a really interesting context from a parson
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: who's never seen it. Yeah, for them to tell tell
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: me how it changed.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so. We were watching the Disney Plus
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: version and for people in the no like Star Wars
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: has been changed so many times, and I actually really,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: really want to see the original cuts without all of
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the changes so badly, and I think maybe it'll happen
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: for me. Sirin very excited. Former Wired dot Co UK
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: writer Michael Rundle wrote, I'm fascinated by Star Wars because
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: of what a world without Star Wars would look like.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: No Star Wars means no lucasfilms are Lucas arts? Would
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: there still be a goal in age of video games
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: without Monkey Island, Full Thottle or Sam and Max. One
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: of the many incredible things about Star Wars is that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: every time you think you've mapped out every aspect of
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: how different a world without Star Wars would be, you
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: think of something else. Fan or not, Star Wars is
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a part of you, and you are a part of it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Like the travels of Odysseus, the ravages of our ancient
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: meddlesome Gods, the trials of Superman, and the heroic journeys
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: of Mario, you can't avoid it, right.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: The original trilogy told the classic tale of good versus
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: evil hero's journey, following Luke, Skywalker, Leah Orghana, and Han
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Solo as they fight the Evil Empire. They won numerous awards,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: including Oscars and regularly rank among the top ten movies
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of all time across multiple publications and market surveys. Darth
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Vader is one of the most memorable villains of all time.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I think it also has something to do with James
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Earld Jones, oh, absolutely for sure. And Luke Skywalker is
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: so iconic that he's often used to teach the hero's
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: journey in school and is used in child's psychotherapy to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: make things understandable between both child and therapists, framing the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Force as self healing and the child as Luke and
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: themselves as obi Wan, which is a really big assumption.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to you like, one day you won't need
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: me anymore, right, and you'll be able to do this
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: with the Force on your own.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I'm that's true. Okay, Well, we have a lot more
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: to go over, oh my gosh, but first we're gonna
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: pause for a quick break for word from our sponsor,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So just a broad
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: overview of some culture things you've got when it comes
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to Star Wars, You've got sayings known worldwide, even if
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: people don't know where they'd come from, like Jedi mind trick,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: You're my only hope. May the Force be with you.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I am y'all follow the evil Empire and then you've
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: got the holidays. May the Fourth be with you. In
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Revenge of the Fifth, which.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: By the way, we watched four May the.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Fourth, Yes we did. It's a celebration.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It was a celebration for some. And in two thousand
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and one UK survey all almost four hundred thousand people
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: wrote in Jedi as their religion, making it the fourth
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: largest religion. Oh wow, there's a church of Jediism. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: in Texas there's a registered Church of Jediism, which, by
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the way, are you part of that?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know if there's like a test second,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: just check it, Samantha. And then songs I always think
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of for me Run the Jewels, Skywalker talk because I'm
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the real Darth Vader. I think that's from Banana Clipper,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Banana Clip, Mu Tan Klan, Kanye West, BC Boys, quin
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: A Two, Justin Bieber, the Nerve Herders, which is a
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: band named after the Star Wars Insult and they played
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the theme song for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So you
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: got all these like musical references too, and the music
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: itself from the movie is amazing and iconic. Many view
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: it as one of the best movie scores of all time.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I think we try to plot away to get that
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Darth Vader slash uh death stars somehow. That's like, like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you know this is going to happen. Someone's going to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: die soon. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm actually a member of the John Williams Span Club
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and I have been since fifth grade.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, it does, I know so. It
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: obviously also influenced art. Banksy has used Star Wars energy
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in his own art. Other movies have it replicated Star
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Wars posters like National Lampoon's Vacation and European Vacation.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And in sports, Major League Baseball gets in on May
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the Four celebrations, encouraging costumes and themed to giveaways. I've
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: definitely been to those. The Yankees are known as the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Evil Empire during this and they play the Imperial March
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: at their home games.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And then as you say that, I can hear the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: song in my head even though I've not watched the movie.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: But once it's catchup.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Also in politics, so the same year, Return of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Jedi came out in nineteen eighty three, Star Wars got
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: wrapped up in Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, which was a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: system of ground in space based lasers and missiles meant
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to protect against a nuclear attack. Critics called it Star Wars,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: which Reagan, of course leaned into. Reagan also called the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: USSR the Evil Empire, and at one point the US
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: military had an idea to create a First Earth battalion
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: made up of folks who could walk through walls, be invisible,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: see the future, and kill goats with a look, and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: they were called Jedi Warriors. I definitely couldn't let go
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of the fact that every single bad guy had an
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: odd Russian accent.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's funny too, because I love that Carrie
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Fisher was able to joke about this herself later. But
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Leah has kind of a strange English accent in a
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: New Hope that goes Away. And yeah, even a few
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: weeks ago this happened when Trump's campaign manager compared Trump's
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: campaign to the Dead Stars, seemingly not realizing that one,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the Death Star is bad and it's for the bad guys,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and two it always gets destroyed. He got a very
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: big Star Wars schooling from the Internet for that, and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a New Hope and the Empire Strikes Backup been added
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: to the Nash Film Registry by the Library of Congress
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: for being quote culturally historically, are esthetically significant right just
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: their own.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Like beginning montage with the writing the script uh huh,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you know what that is?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: And science. Star Wars has played a role in actual science.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: For instance, when Will I Am and Correspondence appeared on
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: CNN as holograms, one of the correspondents said, it feels
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: like I follow in the tradition of Princess Leia. Bionic
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: arms like those sported by Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Some of them are named after Luke Skywalker. A company
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: out of Hong Kong made a pretty spot on lightsaber
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the military is working on at eight like machines, which
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: are the big snow creature things that they knock over
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: with their harpoons.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Those are yeah, I just call them the monster things.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I got you, I Got you, Samantha. And then there's
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a death star bug zapper.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Right in the popular Smithsony. In nineteen ninety nine, Star
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Wars exhibit star Wars The Magic of Myth lives online
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and the Millennium Falcon was the inspiration by the name
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: of Elon Musk's Falcon series launch vehicles, which yes, you
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: could absolutely see that in Oh yeah, and several organisms
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: have been named after Star Wars terms and characters.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: So okay, it's a big deal, is what we're trying
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to say, mostly me and Samantha supporting me. It's not
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: without its faults, obviously, there's hardly any people of color
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: La It's pretty much the only woman in the regionals
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and that isn't much better in the prequels sexualization. There's
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: definitely toxic fandom. I think it might be one of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the most toxic fandoms, and we've talked about that before
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: specifically now and a lot of mostly men, feel that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the new ones are made by social justice warriors with
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the social justice warrior agenda. Some cinophiles do feel like
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it ruined cinema forever because we pivoted away from what
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: in their mind is artistic films to movies that make
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of money for children. But in a lot
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: of ways it connected with so so many of us
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and for a lot of girls and women. Princess Leah
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: specifically was a feminist icon, and we'll get into that
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: after your quick break for word from our sponsor, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So let's finally arrive at
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Princess Leah, and thank you for letting me indulge in
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: my Star Wars fandom and continue. Because just like you
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: can't separate out the influence of Star Wars from our culture,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: you really cannot separate the enormous influence of Princess Leah
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: on our culture and the influence she had on countless
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: other fictional characters, from Ellen Ripley to Hermione Granger to
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: catmus Everdeen, so many so general sketch of her. Leah
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Organa is the princess of the planet all Ron, a
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: member of the Imperial Senate, and the leader of the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Rebel Alliance. This is all by the time she's nineteen.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Just fyi. According to George Lucas, she also has the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Star Wars equivalent of a PhD uh huh. Through the series,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: we learned that she is a twin sister of Luke
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Skywalker and daughter of Darth Vader. She was raised by
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Senator Bail Organa and Queen Braha Organa. She goes on
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: in the new trilogy to found the Resistance as a
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: general against the first order, she was played by Carrie Fisher,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and the character has appeared in many books, comics, television shows, games,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and she has gone on to become iconic the Cinmon
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: bun hair style, which George Lucas attributes to a hairstyle
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: of female Mexican revolutionaries of the metal bikini, and has
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: been adopted by many as a feminist icon. She's been parodied, celebrated,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and appeared on stamps in the US and the UK,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and she's appeared on all sorts of merchandise in all
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: sorts of merchandizing. After Disney acquired Star Wars, they had
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: to backtrack a statement that there were no plans for
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Princess Leah merchandise after it caused so much backlash, so
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: much backlash, there's still not as much as there should be.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: But Carrie Fisher allegedly was told she had to lose
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: ten pounds for the role, which is gross and totally
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: still happens. For the new series, she was reportedly pressured
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: to lose thirty five pounds. I've been told something like
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: this more than once, so this is still absolutely a thing.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely ageism and then of course weight in all
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of those things and race, and Fisher has spoke openly
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: about how she regrets signing away her likeness, which wasn't
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: really a thing at the time. She told the Daily
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Base there's no merchandising tied to movies. No one could
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: have known the extent of the franchise. Not that I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: don't think I'm cute or anything, but when I look
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: in the mirror, I didn't think I was signing away
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: anything of value. Lately, I feel like I mini mouth.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: The identity of Princess Leah so eclipsed any other identity
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: that I've ever had.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I could see that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like she lost a lot of money.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. She even said like she's kind of very
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if good natured, but you know, she's
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: got her classic funny view on it. But she said,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: she said, if she found out that Dadley Portman was
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: making merchandising, she'd be really mad. For Queen Amidala. Lea's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: part diplomat, spy, soldier leader. She's passionate, She's caring, brash, loud, strong, defiant, assertive, angry, snarky,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: not afraid to speak her mind and fight for what's right.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: She first appeared as Yeah, a nineteen year old in
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a New Hope in a virginal floor length dress that's
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: accent of cleavage, although Fisher recounted George Lucas telling her
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: not to wear a bra with it because quote, there
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: is no underwear in space, because your body expands, but
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: your bra does not, and it would strangle you. So
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Fisher used to joke she wanted it reported that. However,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: she died, it should be reported I drowned in moonlight,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: strangled by my own brawl, and that was a very
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: popular tweet after she did die. It's immediately established that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Princess Leah is not going to shy away from a blaster,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and later we find out that her actions at the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: beginning of the movie saved the entire rebellion. This the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: only force that was opposing the empire. She is captured
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: by the intimidating Darth Vader, but stands up to him
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: and withstands. His torture doesn't reveal anything, so she is damseled,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: but she's still fighting, and she's still making these snarky comments,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and when she is rescued, she pretty quickly takes charge.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: She literally takes the blaster from Luke's hands and comes
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: up with a plan to get them out, jumping into
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: a smelly, disgusting garbage disposal, which is hardly a traditional
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: princess decision. She also immediately sees through Luke and the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Stormtrooper get up. When he says he's here to rescue you,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: She's like, Nah, is very unimpressed with him, and they're
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: poorly thought escape plan. And I do love thinking about
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: like Luke, who's bringing is full of adventures, envisions himself
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: as the hero coming to save the beautiful princess. He
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: says he's here to rescue her, and she's like, excuse me,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: you're who now, kind of immediately shutting him down. And
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I also love that her leadership in general isn't questioned
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: as a woman. Like it's never like, oh, we shouldn't
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: listen to her because she's a woman. It's more Han
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: being like, I don't listen to anybody, right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I do like the back and forth with Han and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the Han being like, what's happening? Who are you? What's happening?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: So before that happens, her planet is destroyed by the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: death Star to make a statement, and I was like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: oh my god, they blew up a planet. What just happened?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: And in an instant she loses her family, her friends,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: her stuff, her home and this could have destroyed her,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: but it didn't.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Alyssa Rosenberg at The Washington Post wrote about her, Leah's
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: nerves as a revolutionary are clear from the moment she
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: arrives on the screen. She takes shots at the stormtroopers
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: boarding her shit, gets stunned with a blaster in her hand,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: then has the audacity to try to make Darth Vader
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: feel ashamed of himself. She has enough energy left over
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: after a nasty session of torture to insult Grandmoth Tarkin.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: And while she grieves when her home planet Aldorant is
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: destroyed by the Death Star, Lea's not paralyzed when her
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: unexpected rescuers show up. She's ready to go and to
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: gripe about their operational sloppiness, and then she went on
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to right. Leiah wasn't just the first great heroine of
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: science fiction and fantasy to capture my imagination. She was
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: one of the first characters I encountered whose power came
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: from her political conviction and acumen. So when Han, Cherry
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: and Luke do arrive to rescue her. She pretty much
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: instantly asserts her authority, and this leads to conflict between
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: her and Han Solo, who isn't used to having someone
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: tell him what to do. He calls her sweetheart, but
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Lea's totally impervious to his attempts to take control. She
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: also proves she's got more savvy and less bravado than
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Han after they escape, and she surmises they're being tracked
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: by the Empire, who let them go. Hans like, no,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: not this ship. Never, he's too cocky to admit it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: She's right, he's wrong. Despite the tragedy she's gone through,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: she assumes leadership in rebellion. And also, look, Luke is mccrush.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I know he's had a rough time. Leah comforts him
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: after obi Wan dies, but Lea just lost her whole
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: planet and she knew obi Wan too, by the way,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: and we never get to see her grieve. And Okay,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I know people like to fight about this because I
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: said it on another show, and man that she grieved
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: off screen. And Luke did lose his guardians, which was
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: very sad and traumatic. I agree, but it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Was also very quickly passed by. Yeah, wait, that was it?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He kind of just is like, well, I'm leaving now,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: and I don't judge people for how they grieve. That's
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: totally cool. I'm just saying, uh, you know, we don't
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: get to see her grieve because I guess it's not
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: technically her story. It's explored some of the in the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Extended Universe legends.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I will say about the movie, she takes everything.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: With like okay and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Let me keep going like that was like very much
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like that. Seems like she should be a pause of
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: some sort.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about that more in a minute. Well, now,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about that more in part two. Because a
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: lot of people gripe about the return of the Jedi reveal.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I see her as someone who takes things in stride right,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: But anyway, also of the character's lay perhaps has the
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: least of an arc, and a part of that is
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: she is the most sure of in herself and her
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: calling when we're introduced to her. Her biggest thing is
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: learning to accept that she has needs and wants on
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: a personal level and embracing those things. Han and Luke
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: have a lot of growing up to do, and Leah
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: is instrumental in that. For both of them. Even at
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the heart of it, she influences Luke and Han to
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: become a part of the rebellion. She's already a hero
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: when we meet her, and she influences them to become
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: heroes too. She does often serve as a support to
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: luke story into Han's story, and in the first two
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: is the potential romantic interest for both of them. She's
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: more developed and interesting a character than perhaps her traditional
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: love interest, but there is still an element of that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: All right, So New Hope Ends, Big Explosion, Death Star, Happy,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: pure are your metals. Then we move on to The
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Empire Strikes Back, in which Leah is a prominent leader
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: of the rebellion who stays behind to the very last
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: second to make sure everyone is safely evacuated off of
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: the snow planet hof. We see her relationship with Han,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and in today's context, it's a little cringey, just because
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: he's so pushy and doesn't take no for an answer.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I definitely want to return to the whole nice men
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: scoundrel trope that plays out here, and it is kind
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: of funny that she's trying to manage all of the
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: stafffull of this evacuation and Han is just trying to
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: her to admit that she cares about him, and I
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: know the stakes are high because he's basically trying to
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: get her to admit he wants him to say, or
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: he's gonna leave. But anyway, there's a definite unthawed the
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: ice queen vibe too, and Lando is pretty flirty with her.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Although Orlando is the typho flirts with everyone. My friend
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: and I have an ongoing argument about whether or not
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: he had sex with the Millennium Falcon. Weigh in on
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: that if you would like or don't, I'm.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Just gonna say that's the first thing she saw said
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: when he arrived, and I was like, I don't know
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: what's happening, but what.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: We had like an hour fluslong argument about it. Oh,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: and Lando's also trying to make sure they don't get
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: win that Vader's there, so he's trying to endear himself
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: to them. But we do see another instance of a
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: woman sensing that something is wrong and being dismissed when
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Leah voices her concerns about Lando's trustworthiness. Han Lean and
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Chewey are captured and tortured by Darth Vader. That you
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: only really see Han's torture and I guess tobacco with
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the loud sound thing.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Wait in the gold dude, oh gold Man.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Gold Man gets blasted apart.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, what did no one notice that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Chewbacca did? He did? He did, he came, and Lea
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: did too.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Han was the one that was like, ah, and then
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: we have the famous I love you, I know exchange.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: So there are so many ways to interpret this, but
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: one is that in the face of Hans's death, she
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: admits something she knew she'd made him doubt, that she
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: loves him, and he acknowledges his understanding of her fear
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: of intimacy and accepts it as a kid. I always
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: saw it as Hans Solo's too afraid to say it
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: in front of all these soldiers and Darth Vader. But
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: you know, multiple ways to interpret those those lines. Some
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: people take issue with the fact that Han asked Chewie
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: to take care of her when clearly she can do
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it herself, while others see those words is meant to
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: comfort Chewy, to give him something to you, to calm
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: him down. When Lando frees them, Leah takes charge of
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: the ultimately failed attempt to save Han and does save
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Luke after sensing his call for help, and we do
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: you get to see Pilot the Millennium falcking, which is cool.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was very cool. I think I'm not
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: gonna lie. I was very confused about what was happening,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and you made sure to let me know that. This
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is where Harrison for said I'm not coming back. Yeah,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: so they had to have a possibility of just ending
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: him or allowing him to come back.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Well, the only reason he came back to return the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Jedi was he was supposed to be killed off and
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: then they didn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, yeah, so I'm going to heard
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  Speaker 1: it here with the end of part one. Yes, our heroes,
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  Speaker 1: your heroes, the heroes, how about that are battered and
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  Speaker 1: separated in part two? Yes, y'all after an hour of
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  Speaker 1: this lengthy discussion, there is a part too, and it's
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  Speaker 1: about the return of the Jedi and the infamous metal bikini,
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  Speaker 1: which is the one scene that I know, and the
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  Speaker 1: feminism of Princess Leiah and of the Fourth in general.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so we'll leave you on a cliffhanger, just like
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  Speaker 2: those lucky viewers that got to see Empire shikes. Back
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