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Taylor Swift The Debut Years From Music Historian Emily Yahr · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your exploration. Good morning, Emily. How are you doing today?
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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. How are you?
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Speaker 1: You have got such an amazing project on your hands
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Speaker 1: right now because, you know, as much as we think
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Speaker 1: that we are Swifties, and I'm talking about every age group,
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Speaker 1: including grandparents, we are all Swifties. I am man enough
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Speaker 1: to admit that. But what you're putting focus on are
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Speaker 1: those debut years. Now, because I'm in radio, I already
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Speaker 1: know that story because we lived it. But people do
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Speaker 1: not know that story, and that's why you're here.
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Speaker 2: Yes, to me, this is just the most fascinating chapter
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Speaker 2: of Taylor's career. And in Nashville and country music and
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Speaker 2: how important radio was to that entire. So it was
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun to go back and revisit that
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Speaker 2: first decade in Nashville.
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Speaker 1: Well, she knew how to play that social media game
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Speaker 1: before it became cool to become a part of the
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Speaker 1: social media world because the way that she would come
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Speaker 1: to the station, and I always called it the Patsy
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Speaker 1: Cline because Patsy Cline was all about getting out there
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Speaker 1: and meeting those radio folk, and that's the thing about it.
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift had no problem. We knew at the age
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Speaker 1: of 14, this one is going to be big, really big.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she said something. In interviews early on, she credited
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Speaker 2: this to an early interview manager that she had who
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Speaker 2: told her shake a million hands make a million fans
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Speaker 2: very seriously and that yeah you get out meet as
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Speaker 2: many people as you can and they will remember you
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Speaker 2: and that was absolutely true for radio that was one
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Speaker 2: of my favorite parts of the book too was talking
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Speaker 2: to radio programmers who met her on that first tour
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Speaker 2: and heard her play tim mcgraw and she always liked
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Speaker 2: something at every visit that made her really stand out
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Speaker 2: and that's how they still remember it 20 years later.
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Speaker 1: You know, I can already tell inside my heart that
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a follow-up to this book, and
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Speaker 1: the reason why is because Taylor Swift's greatest moment of
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Speaker 1: all time. I love every bit of her music, but
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Speaker 1: we all know when she pointed at that ring and said,
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Speaker 1: that's my husband, that to me was one of the
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Speaker 1: most unbelievable things I have ever seen in my 47
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Speaker 1: years of radio.
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Speaker 2: That was really shocking. But, you know, as also a
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Speaker 2: football fan, I get that you can, like, get very
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Speaker 2: swept up in these moments and just get so excited.
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Speaker 2: My reactions are different, but the fact that she was
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Speaker 2: so thrilled to see Travis Kelsey get a touchdown, I mean... Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that is just now an iconic moment meme. I think
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Speaker 2: that will circulate the Internet forever.
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Speaker 1: So now is it my imagination or and please correct
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Speaker 1: me because I do get a little really weird out
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Speaker 1: there when it comes to these artists. I want to
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Speaker 1: say and I will argue that I don't think Taylor
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Speaker 1: Swift went into this trying to be a teen idol
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Speaker 1: like a Bieber or a Miley Cyrus. Taylor Swift has
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Speaker 1: just been Taylor Swift.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, she definitely wanted a lot
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Speaker 2: of people to hear her. was talking early on about
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Speaker 2: like wanting to play in stadiums someday but i don't
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Speaker 2: think she yeah really knew like how much this would
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Speaker 2: blow up to sure her priority was she wanted to
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Speaker 2: write songs she wanted to connect with people who also
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Speaker 2: understood what she was singing about and appreciated it and
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Speaker 2: that was her goal was really to be a songwriter Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it sort of took off at a speed. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if even she realized it was going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember those concerts. I swear to God,
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Speaker 1: when she was out there shaking those hands and kissing
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Speaker 1: those babies like she was, you know, coming off that
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Speaker 1: tour bus and stuff like that. I think that she
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Speaker 1: just loved to be recognized in the way of being,
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Speaker 1: I'm an artist and you're here. Thank God you're here
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Speaker 1: because you are the fan and you're more important.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she really prioritized her fans so early on. And
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Speaker 2: I think that's a big thing. I just learned is
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Speaker 2: sort of treat your fans like your friends and that
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Speaker 2: will go a long way. And that's absolutely what she did.
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Speaker 2: I mean, even in the early days, sometimes she would
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Speaker 2: invite fans on her bus, invite fans to her house.
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Speaker 2: And she really formed these connections that I have. have
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Speaker 2: lasted now, yeah, two decades.
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Speaker 1: We got to talk about that book cover because it
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Speaker 1: reminds me so much of an album cover. Were you
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Speaker 1: thinking along those lines? Because the very, and in fact,
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Speaker 1: this is what I said. You've got the book cover
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Speaker 1: and on the inside of that book is the inside
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Speaker 1: sleeve of an album. This one just happens to be
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Speaker 1: very thick because you really treat us like you're going,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give the fans something that they don't have.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give them the inside sleeve and the
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Speaker 1: inside scoop.
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Speaker 2: My gosh, that is so nice of you to say.
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Speaker 2: I love that. I had not really thought of it
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Speaker 2: that way. I think, yeah, my priority for the cover
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Speaker 2: was definitely an image that would communicate. There's this when
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Speaker 2: she was, when Taylor was painting 13 on her hand
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Speaker 2: and wearing the sparkly dresses and the, and the boots
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Speaker 2: and that. And remember, you know, those days from like
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Speaker 2: the fearless era, speak now era. But that's so nice
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Speaker 2: of you. Yeah. That was a big priority for me too,
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Speaker 2: is I, know sort of the basic facts of Taylor's
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Speaker 2: origin story and do remember those years. But I really
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Speaker 2: wanted to find out new details and hear from people
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Speaker 2: who maybe aren't interviewed as often. And that was so much.
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Speaker 2: Everyone in Nashville, it seems. Just because, yeah, she was
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Speaker 2: so out and about during those years. It was really
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Speaker 2: cool to hear about.
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Speaker 1: So now she has got to be the first performer
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Speaker 1: that I've seen in all my years that plays with
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Speaker 1: their fans in the way that the Beatles played with
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Speaker 1: the fans. Because the Beatles were known and notorious for
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Speaker 1: doing little hints on each one of their albums. And
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Speaker 1: who else is doing that but Taylor Swift? And I
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Speaker 1: love it when Swifties will sit there and try to
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Speaker 1: figure out what is her next step. Well, how do
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Speaker 1: you know that? Well, because you do this and this
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Speaker 1: and this and this and this. It says that's the
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Speaker 1: next step, and they get it right.
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Speaker 2: It really is surprising how often they're right because, yeah,
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Speaker 2: Taylor does not always make it easy. But when I
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Speaker 2: was covering the Heiress Tour, I went to the last–
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Speaker 2: leg of the tour and it was in Los Angeles
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Speaker 2: and people thought because it was on August 9th, eight, nine,
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Speaker 2: that that meant she was going to announce 1989 Taylor's version.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know. We've, we've heard
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Speaker 2: so many of these theories. They're always wrong. Like, I
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Speaker 2: don't know. And then she actually did announce it. And
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Speaker 2: I've never heard a stadium scream louder in my entire life.
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Speaker 2: And so sometimes, yeah, that, that level of looking for
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Speaker 2: clues can really pay off.
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Speaker 1: How did she deal with radio station program directors? And
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Speaker 1: I'm going really inside on this. That's what we would
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Speaker 1: say in radio, because I've been with those decision makers
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Speaker 1: of what went on the air that were so disappointed
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Speaker 1: when she had her country career doing quite well. And
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Speaker 1: then she switched to pop. I mean, I was with
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Speaker 1: those program directors that just could not believe what she
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Speaker 1: just did to their station.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Taylor was very, of, you know, maybe
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Speaker 2: the disappointment, maybe some of the backlash. And she just
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Speaker 2: very deliberately said she was going to be putting out
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Speaker 2: a pop album. And so it seemed like she made
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Speaker 2: an effort to really thank country music for everything and
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Speaker 2: let them know that this was like, you know, she
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Speaker 2: would always, always be a part of Nashville, even when
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Speaker 2: she was like on, you know, she got on stage
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Speaker 2: at the ACMs and gave this big speech about, you know,
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Speaker 2: how grateful she was. And it seems like she's always,
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Speaker 2: whether she's writing, you know, giving songs to Sugarland or
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Speaker 2: Little Big Town. And then, yeah, I was I was
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Speaker 2: kind of surprised. But she posted that she'll be at
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Speaker 2: the CMAs this year for getting nominated. So it even
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Speaker 2: way it seems apparent just from her actions that like that,
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Speaker 2: that Nashville and country radio and country music still means
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Speaker 2: so much to her.
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Speaker 1: Tell me you did not enjoy seeing her at the
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Speaker 1: VMAs because, I mean, it has been how long since
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Speaker 1: we've seen her at an awards show?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she, I mean, I did enjoy her pre-taped Emmy
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Speaker 2: sketch with Mariska Hargitay when she was poking fun at
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Speaker 2: how the Swifties, you know, go so crazy for her,
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Speaker 2: the puzzles and clues and everything. But yeah, it was,
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Speaker 2: you know, she's very deliberate, I think, also about the
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Speaker 2: award shows. She's attended the public appearances and it was, yeah,
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Speaker 2: fun to see her on stage again and premiering this
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Speaker 2: music video because, you know, you know, whenever Taylor Swift
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Speaker 2: is at an award show like that is going to
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Speaker 2: become just like the major story of the show.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that I've always loved about Taylor Swift,
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Speaker 1: and please correct me here, is that I, sure, she
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Speaker 1: was signed to a major league recording deal. Love the
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Speaker 1: fact that she's redone her music because God knows there's
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Speaker 1: been a bunch of people that have done the same
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Speaker 1: thing since Taylor Swift. But I always looked at her
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Speaker 1: as being the great indie artist that became very famous.
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Speaker 1: I still think of her as being an indie artist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Big Machine was an independent label, and
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Speaker 2: I think that probably and, yeah, informed the way that
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Speaker 2: she looked at her career from then on. And, you know,
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Speaker 2: that was also a decision she made, you know, to
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Speaker 2: deal with RCA, the most prestigious, the biggest label in
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Speaker 2: Nashville at the time. And she could have, you know,
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Speaker 2: she could have stayed and made, but it's weird to
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Speaker 2: think about what could have happened. You know, maybe she
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Speaker 2: would have gotten lost in the shuffle among bigger artists,
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Speaker 2: but the fact that she did decide to go to
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Speaker 2: this unknown independent label where she could get a lot
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Speaker 2: of attention and really, you know, focus on, her and
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Speaker 2: she would get to have so much more of a
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Speaker 2: say in her career. I think that absolutely like you're right. Um,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of been in the DNA of her entire career,
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Speaker 2: even if she's at a major label now.
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Speaker 1: So now if we, the fans think we can predict
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift when really we can't, can Taylor Swift predict
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, part of me does that,
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Speaker 2: you know, she plans everything so many years in advance. Um,
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Speaker 2: at least that's what it looks like from the outside,
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Speaker 2: but I, sometimes like, I don't think she realized the
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Speaker 2: heiress tour would blow up as much as it did.
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Speaker 2: And that ended up becoming, you know, a whole documentary and,
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Speaker 2: and concert film and things like that. So I think
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Speaker 2: she does have a really good idea, but you just
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Speaker 2: can never predict how the culture is going to react
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Speaker 2: to something. And so she probably has to pivot just
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Speaker 2: just like the rest of us.
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Speaker 1: The book we're talking about is Taylor Swift, The Debut Years. And,
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Speaker 1: of course, that has to include Mr. Joe Jonas. I
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Speaker 1: get it. I get it. But the thing about it is, though,
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Speaker 1: is that what I love about Taylor is that she
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Speaker 1: didn't go the route of the Disney-generated connections. And that,
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Speaker 1: you know, even though Joe was there, we still had
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Speaker 1: that relationship. And somehow, someway, we were all talking about it.
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Speaker 1: What was that like for her to make sure that
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Speaker 1: she was doing that?
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Speaker 2: When she did Joe Jonas? Yeah, I mean, that was...
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Speaker 2: I think one of the first times that her fans
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Speaker 2: realized that even when she did start to become more
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Speaker 2: famous and when she dated celebrities, that did not mean
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Speaker 2: she was going to stop writing in great detail and
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Speaker 2: being very candid about her life. And so, you know, those, yeah,
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Speaker 2: were the days when, you know, she would, I don't
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Speaker 2: think she would do this now, but she even went,
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Speaker 2: you know, on the Ellen DeGeneres show and like talked
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Speaker 2: about it and kind of like admitted which songs were
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Speaker 2: about Joe Jonas. And so it sounds like that is
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Speaker 2: all long in the past now. Like they, they've sort
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Speaker 2: of become friendly, but yeah, I think that was sort
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Speaker 2: of a key moment when people were like, Oh, like
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Speaker 2: the guys she's dated, even if they are also very
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Speaker 2: famous game changer, like not every celebrity will do that.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Emily Yar coming
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Speaker 1: up next. The name of her book, Taylor Swift, The
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Speaker 1: Debut Years. We are back with Emily Yar. In all
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Speaker 1: of your research, when did you see that Taylor Swift
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Speaker 1: needed this social media connection that she has definitely gotten today?
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Speaker 1: Because somewhere along the line, she had to figure out
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Speaker 1: that the people are not really where we think they are.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go find them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she was very savvy about that. And
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Speaker 2: in the way she's described it, it was not exactly
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Speaker 2: an accident, but it was like, She was a teenager.
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Speaker 2: All of her friends were on my space. And so
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Speaker 2: that's where she was. And so of course she used
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Speaker 2: it in a very different way, which was that then people,
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Speaker 2: you know, she would post about her music and then
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Speaker 2: all these people she didn't know would come comment on it.
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Speaker 2: And she would spend, and people who, you know, around
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Speaker 2: her then would tell me she would spend hours and
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Speaker 2: hours on the computer, just like responding to messages, making
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Speaker 2: sure the people who were telling her how much her
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Speaker 2: music meant to them, making sure that they felt seen.
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Speaker 2: She just realized very early on how critical, that connection was.
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Speaker 2: And I think even those fans on MySpace helped with
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Speaker 2: her radio success because she would tell them, you know,
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Speaker 2: to urge them to call stations, tell them you want
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Speaker 2: to hear Tim McGraw or our song. And And they did.
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Speaker 2: And so, yeah, that was a critical part of her
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Speaker 2: fan base early on.
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Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on the wall
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Speaker 1: when you were doing this research because it has got
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Speaker 1: to be exactly. Because the thing about it is, though,
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Speaker 1: is those Swifties will call you out in a heartbeat.
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Speaker 1: So I can't imagine what you put yourself through in
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Speaker 1: order to put Taylor Swift, the debut years together.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was for me was, I think,
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Speaker 2: the most fun part just because I also, you know,
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Speaker 2: I hundreds of people who had worked with her and
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Speaker 2: knew her back then and so it was fun talking
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Speaker 2: to Swifties who had just really wild stories about knowing
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Speaker 2: Taylor so well even as a fan back in the
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Speaker 2: day but I also love talking to like songwriters and
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Speaker 2: producers and people who worked with her and just had
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Speaker 2: the best stories of just being so blown away by
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Speaker 2: her as a teenager and what she was already able
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Speaker 2: to do and then being there and just seeing that
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Speaker 2: rise and so everything blew up so yeah talking to
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Speaker 2: people as i learned again in nashville like everybody has
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Speaker 2: a taylor story people just remember her so vividly from
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Speaker 2: then so that was a lot of fun to hear
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Speaker 2: people's memories.
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Speaker 1: Gonna ask you about that because we all have our
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Speaker 1: own taylor story we all have our interpretation and then
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Speaker 1: here comes emily with her version of the story.
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Speaker 2: It was fun putting all of those together and also
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Speaker 2: just like you know, in Nashville, you'll be somewhere and
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Speaker 2: people are like, oh, I was at Taylor's 18th birthday. Like,
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Speaker 2: I met her here. Like, I wasn't so... She just, yeah,
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Speaker 2: she really remains a big part of country music and
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Speaker 2: of Nashville, even without physically being there or maybe part
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Speaker 2: of the genre exclusively. And that was a lot of
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Speaker 2: fun to hear about.
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Speaker 1: You're going to think I'm weird, Emily. I know there's
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Speaker 1: going to be a baby on the way. And the
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Speaker 1: thing about it is, is that everybody's going to call
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Speaker 1: that baby their sister or their or a family member.
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Speaker 1: I am at that age where I'm going to say
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Speaker 1: Taylor's baby is my grandbaby. And I'm going to act
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Speaker 1: like a crazy grandfather who's going to be so protective
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Speaker 1: of that baby story. Oh, my gosh.
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I never want to say that, but
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Speaker 2: I do think like people do feel so connected to
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Speaker 2: Taylor that, you know, it still feels like they know
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Speaker 2: her like as as a person, you know, even if
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Speaker 2: they haven't in many years. And so, yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can see that online the way people talk about,
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Speaker 2: you know, her relationship with Travis Kelsey, her relationship with
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Speaker 2: like Jason and Kylie and their kids. Yeah, people get very,
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Speaker 2: very protective over her. It's pretty fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Do you find yourself being protective as well? Because, I mean,
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Speaker 1: as a jock and as a mobile entertainer who's played
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Speaker 1: her music. Yes, I am very protective of Taylor Swift.
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Speaker 2: I think the only time that I sort of is
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Speaker 2: when I when I was doing research for the book and.
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Speaker 2: I was reminded of this speech that John Mayer gave
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Speaker 2: and it was at a songwriter. It was songwriters hall
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Speaker 2: of fame ceremony years ago. Taylor was getting an award
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Speaker 2: as like a breakout songwriter. And John Mayer's entire speech
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Speaker 2: was like, most of it was about how he at
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Speaker 2: first refused to believe that Taylor wrote her own music.
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Speaker 2: And he kept going on and on about how he
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Speaker 2: didn't believe it. He kept trying to figure out like
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Speaker 2: the real secret, what it was. She couldn't possibly write
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Speaker 2: it herself. And then the punchline kind of the story
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Speaker 2: was that like he was the fool in that situation
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Speaker 2: because then he wrote with her and saw, of course,
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Speaker 2: she wrote her own songs. But I even say in
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Speaker 2: the book, like Taylor doesn't need anyone to defend her,
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Speaker 2: like least of all me. But even I felt kind
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Speaker 2: of felt angry as I was watching that speech because
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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, this is in front of
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Speaker 2: her industry peers. This is in front of people who
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Speaker 2: are like, did you really have to say all of that?
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Speaker 2: And so I can definitely I felt that way. I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: my gosh, I can only imagine how Taylor maybe felt
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Speaker 2: in that moment. So. Yeah, I think that was really
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Speaker 2: interesting to kind of think about in the book, too,
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Speaker 2: was just how many people told Taylor that they didn't
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Speaker 2: think her career skills. And I think that's also been
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Speaker 2: a big part of what's driven her ever since.
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Speaker 1: One of the photographs, and I'd love to know if
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Speaker 1: you saw the same photograph that I did, it was
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Speaker 1: her with all of her journals. And that picture of
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Speaker 1: her with those journals spoke so much. It was almost
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Speaker 1: like she told all the Swifties, do it. Put your
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Speaker 1: thoughts on paper. Let art happen naturally. Just do it.
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Speaker 1: Get journal writing into your process.
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Speaker 2: Definitely. I think about this a lot as a writer, too.
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Speaker 2: And I can't remember who told me this, but the
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Speaker 2: really good advice was that You know, you can't, like,
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Speaker 2: just write. No matter if you think it's going to
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Speaker 2: be bad, just write. Because you can't edit nothing. Like,
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Speaker 2: if you want to make it better, there has to be, like,
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Speaker 2: something on the page. And it sounds very basic, but
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Speaker 2: it's so true. It's such a good piece of advice
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Speaker 2: for writing.
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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you?
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Speaker 1: Because I could talk to you all day, and that's
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Speaker 1: going to drive Bill absolutely insane. So where can they go?
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Speaker 2: My website is emilyyard.com. find everything about the book there.
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Speaker 2: Some of my favorite stories I've written for the post
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Speaker 2: about Taylor and other entertainment topics. And yeah, I'm so excited.
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Speaker 2: The book is, is almost out. It's, it's been quite
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Speaker 2: a journey.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God. You got to come back to this
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Speaker 1: show anytime in the future. Cause I mean, come on,
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Speaker 1: we are secret Swifties or very, no, no, I am
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Speaker 1: out here. Swifty kind of guy. So we got to
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Speaker 1: meet again. Okay. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It was great to talk to you.
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Speaker 1: You be brilliant today.
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Speaker 2: You too. Thank you.