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The Catcher in the Rye Ch. 23: The Safest Place He’s Ever Been | Banned Books · Banned Camp: Banned Books, Comedy, and Free Speech vs. Censorship

Welcome to Band Camp.
I'm Jennifer.
Welcome to Banned Books And I'm Dan, and this is the podcast where we read banned books out loud and try to figure out why they were banned in the first place.
This season we're reading "The Catcher in the Rye" by J.D.
Salinger, and you can consider this a quick spoiler warning because everything Jennifer is about to start reading from the book out loud word for word is probably gonna be a spoil if you Haven't ever read the book before.
But if you're new here, you can jump in right here and you're gonna be fine.
We're gonna get you up to speed real quick.
And if anything does feel confusing, there's a very good chance we're gonna be confused too because we've never read the book either.
So we're reading it right along with you, which is exactly why we have ourselves a secret weapon.
Come on in here, Buddy Boy.
Look at this guy.
We have ourselves a fact-checking robot.
Buddy Boy's gonna roll in here and tell everyone where we left off last time.
Robot.
Previously on Band Camp, Holden described the only job he wished he could have.
He wanted to stand on the edge of a cliff in a field of rye and catch kids before they fall off.
Jennifer said he could be a therapist, and then Dan asked if they finally got the title of the book right.
They did.
They also asked me to explain it.
I declined, so I honestly think they still don't know what the title means.
Anywho, some people build the safest place they've ever been and then walk out the door five minutes later.
I have no explanation for this.
Take it away, Jennifer Thank you, robot.
And with that being said, Scary Book people, let's begin chapter twenty-three of J.D.
Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye."
I made it very snappy on the phone because I was afraid my parents would barge in on me right in the middle of it.
They didn't, though.
Mr.
Antolini was very nice.
He said I could come right over if I wanted to.
I think I probably woke he and his wife up because it took them a hell of a long time to answer the phone.
What are you talking about? What kind of relationship does this kid have with an old teacher? well, so what time is it? Well, he's in the middle of the night.
It is? I thought it was like...
Yeah.
And his parents are still out partying? Yeah.
But what kind of relationship if, if a former student calls and he's like, "If you wanna come on over, come on over, Holden."
Like, what are you talking about? Is there any teacher in your life that if you called, "Hey, hey, Mrs.
Jones, what's going on?" "Oh, come right over, kid that I taught 80 years ago."
It's like, what? Wow.
Yeah, I would call that an inappropriate type relationship.
the first thing he asked me was if anything was wrong, and I said no.
I said I'd flunked out of Pencey though.
I thought I might as well tell him.
He said, "Good God," when I said that.
He had a good sense of humor and all.
He told me to come right over if I felt like it.
He was about the best teacher I ever had, Mr.
Antolini.
He was a pretty young guy, not much older than my brother D.B.,
and you could kid around with him without losing your respect for He was the one that finally picked up that boy that jumped out the window I told you about, James Castle.
Okay, so this guy is like a hero figure because he is more authentic and he jumped in when others he was more authentic and just him, whatever his right? yeah.
literally how he just described him, there was nothing but positive Right.
All the critical stuff is gone when it comes to this guy, right? It's just glowing reviews of Mr.
Antolini.
I'm quite suspect of him, though, anytime a older gentleman wants a student to come right over.
Rush in the middle of the night, "Come over here, young Holden."
Old Mr.
Antolini felt his pulse and all, and then he took off his coat and put it over James Castle and carried him all the way over to the infirmary.
He didn't even give a damn if his coat got all bloody.
When I got back to DB's room, old Phoebe turned the radio on.
This dance music was coming out.
She turned it on low, though, so the maid wouldn't hear it.
You should have seen her.
She was sitting smack in the middle of the bed, outside the covers, with her legs folded like one of those yogi guys.
Come on," I said, "do you feel like dancing? I taught her how to dance when she was a tiny little kid.
She's a very good dancer.
"I mean, I just taught her a few things.
she learned it mostly by herself.
You can't teach somebody how to really dance.
You have shoes on,' she said, 'I'll take them off.
Come on.'
She practically jumped off the bed, and then she waited while I took my shoes off, and then I danced with her for a while.
She's really damn good.
I don't like people that dance with little kids because most of the time it looks terrible.
I mean, if you're out at a restaurant somewhere and you see some old guy take his little kid out on the dance floor, usually they keep yanking the kid's dress up in the back by mistake, and the kid can't dance worth a damn anyway.
And it looks terrible, but I don't do it out in public with Phoebe or anything.
We just horse around in the house."
I can see now that this is like an overlay of taking something, like, quote, "natural and authentic" and pushing it into a form.
Like, uh, the image of, like, a, dad, like grabbing his kid and forcing him to dance a certain way.
And here Holden and Phoebe get to just horse around and have fun.
And Phoebe has autonomy, you know, and they both have autonomy, and everything is a very natural, authentic experience you're totally right.
The other thing that's very neat about this scene, this might be the first scene really in the entire book so far where he is truly happy.
He's just horsing around with his sister.
He's been waiting to see her for how long? I say the entire book, right? And now he's finally with her.
He feels safe.
He's at home.
Parents aren't home yet, but, they're, they're, they're not safe.
this is safe, what he's doing.
They're not safe.
Right.
That door could get kicked open any minute and boom, to the military school you Exactly.
it's different with her anyway because she can dance.
She can follow anything you do.
I mean, if you hold her in close as hell so that it doesn't matter that your legs are so much longer, she stays right with you.
You can cross over or do some corny dips or even jitterbug a little, and she stays right with you.
You can even tango, for God's sake.
You can e- you can even tango for God's sake.
He gets so mad.
We danced about four numbers.
In between numbers, she's funny as hell.
She stays right in position.
She won't even talk or anything.
You both have to stay right in position and wait for the orchestra to start playing again.
That kills me.
You're not supposed to laugh or anything either.
Anyway, we danced about four numbers, and then I turned the radio off.
Old Phoebe jumped back into bed and got under the covers.
"I'm improving, aren't I?" She asked me.
"And how," I said.
Oh, that's really nice.
It's so-- It's such a silly thing to just have a jump up impromptu dance and then like, whoa, back into bed.
What a win for Phoebe because she went to bed thinking, "Oh, I'm just going to bed," and all of a sudden her, one of her favorite people is there and they're dancing and it's just, it's so neat.
It's so cool.
Sat like it.
I sat down next to her on the bed again.
I was sort of out of breath.
I was smoking so damn much, I had hardly any wind.
She wasn't even out of breath.
Feel my forehead," she said all of a sudden.
Why?" Feel it.
Just feel it once."
I felt it.
I didn't feel anything, though.
Does it feel very feverish?" She said.
"No.
Is it supposed to?" Yes, I'm making it.
Feel it again."
I felt it again, and I still didn't feel anything, but I said, I think it's starting to work now."
I didn't want her to get a goddamn inferiority What, she's making her head get hot? You know, it's the magical thinking of kids where it's like they can probably close their eyes and say, "I'm gonna start levitating," you know? Oh, so she's willing her head to get hot.
Okay, "I get I can make it go up over the thermometer."
Thermometer? Who said so?" Alice Holmberg showed me how.
You cross your legs and hold your breath and think of something very, very hot, a radiator or something.
Then your whole forehead gets so hot you can burn somebody's hand."
That killed me.
I pulled my hand away from her like I was in terrific danger.
Thanks for telling me," I said.
Oh, I wouldn't have burned your hand.
I'd have stopped before it got too..."
Shh."
Then, quick as hell, she sat way the hell up in bed.
Oh, like a predator's coming.
It's like, everyone quiet.
She scared the hell out of me when she did that.
"What's the matter?" I said.
"The front door," she said in this loud whisper.
"It's them."
It's them.
Oh, no.
Wow, does she have an issue with her mom and dad too? Well, no, it's just-- The fun is gonna stop.
When mom and dad show up, the fun stops.
it's a, it's a polluting influence you know, they just wanna be together and have fun, and now there's, like, this invasion.
Yeah.
I quick jumped up and ran over and turned off the light over the desk.
Then I jammed out my cigarette on my shoe and put it in my pocket.
I hate it when people do that.
It's the grossest thing.
quick jumped up and ran over and turned off the lights over the desk and said, "Stand up."
Oh, God.
Then I fanned the hell out of the air to get the smoke out.
I shouldn't have even had been smoking, for God's sake.
Then I grabbed my shoes and got in the closet and shut the door."
This is so s- weird.
Now he's hiding in the closet like in "Halloween," like he's Jamie Lee Curtis, Oh, you should play, like, the music.
All right.
I've got the clarinet version from YouTube.
"Hello," I heard old Phoebe say.
I couldn't sleep.
Did you have a good time?" Marvelous," my mother said, but you could tell she didn't mean it.
She doesn't enjoy herself much when she goes out."
See? Phony, phony, phony.
Yep.
She goes out because that's what normal people do, And it's marvelous.
Why are you awake, may I ask? Were you warm enough?" I was warm enough.
I just couldn't sleep."
Mom, touch my head.
Am I warm enough? Mom, touch my head, but be careful.
Better go down to the kitchen and get an oven mitt.
I've been doing quite a bit of thinking.
Phoebe, have you been smoking a cigarette in here? Tell me the truth, please, young lady."
What?" Old Phoebe said.
"You heard me."
I just lit one for one second.
I just took one puff, then I threw it out the window."
Why may I ask?" "I couldn't sleep."
I don't like that, Phoebe.
I don't like that at all."
Well, but this is, hypocrisy the mom can't sleep and she smokes all night.
chimney.
So it's like why doesn't the mom see that? And I think times have changed at least for me, and I know for a lot of moms, it's like I let the kids call me out on my bullshit and I'm like, Oh, you're so right."
And then it's a learning moment for everyone.
Do you want another blanket?" No, thanks.
Good night," old Phoebe said.
She was trying to get rid of her, you could tell.
How was the movie?" my mother said.
Excellent, We took a taxi home."
book was banned? You can't just walk around saying lousy.
Well, go to sleep.
Give your mother a kiss.
Did you say your prayers?" "I said them in the bathroom.
Good night."
Good night.
Go right to sleep now.
I have a splitting headache," my mother said.
She gets headaches quite frequently.
She really does Take a few aspirins, old Phoebe said.
Holden will be home Wednesday, won't he? So far as I know.
Get under there now, way down.
I heard my mother go out and close the door.
I waited a couple of minutes, then I came out of the closet.
I bumped smack into old Phoebe when I did it because it was so dark and she was out of bed and coming to tell me.
Did I hurt you?" I said.
You had to whisper now because they were both home.
"I gotta get a move on," I said.
I found the edge of the bed in the dark and sat down on it and started putting my shoes on.
I was pretty nervous, I admitted Don't go now," Phoebe whispered.
Wait till they're asleep."
No, now.
Now's the best time," I said.
the She'll be in the bathroom and daddy will turn on the news or something.
Now's the best time.
I could hardly tie my shoelaces, I was so damn nervous.
Oh, God.
Uh.
what is he scared of confronting? I mean, I know he hates it, but he already knows about it.
He knows it's coming, It is one uncomfortable conversation away from being over.
Just deal with it.
He'll put it off for as long as possible.
Ugh.
Ugh.
Not that they would have killed me or anything if they'd caught me home, but it would have been very unpleasant and all.
Where the hell are you? I said to old Phoebe.
It was so dark, I couldn't see her.
Here.
She was standing right next to me.
I didn't even see her.
I got my damn bags at the station, I said.
Listen, you got any dough, Phoebe? I'm practically broke.
practically Just my Christmas dough for presents and all.
I haven't done any shopping yet.
Oh, I didn't want to take her Christmas money.
You want some? She said.
I can lend you some, she said.
I I heard her over at DB's desk, opening a million drawers and feeling around with her hand.
It was pitch black.
It was so dark in the room.
If you go away, you won't see me in the play, she said.
Her voice sounded funny when she said this.
Yes, I will.
I won't go away before that.
Do you think I want to miss the play? I said.
What I'll do, I'll probably stay at Mr.
Antolini's house till maybe Tuesday night.
Then I'll come home if I get a chance.
I'll phone you.
Here, old Phoebe said.
She was trying to give me the dough, but she couldn't find my hand.
Where? She put the dough in my hand.
Hey, I don't need all this, I said.
Just give me two bucks is all.
No kidding.
Here.
I tried to give it back to her, but she wouldn't take it.
You can take it all.
You can pay me back.
Bring it to the play.
How much is it, for God's sake? Eight dollars and eighty-five cents.
Then all of a sudden, I started to cry.
I couldn't help it.
I did it so nobody could hear me, but I did it.
It scared the hell out of old Phoebe when I started doing it, and she came over and tried to make me stop.
But once you get started, you can't just stop on a goddamn dime.
Okay.
He has some crying.
Some feels.
What was it about that? Was it just like how awesome is it that my amazing sister is giving me her Christmas money? I mean, probably it seems like finally somebody is trying to help him.
Finally.
I was still sitting on the edge of the bed when I did it, and she put her old arm around my neck, and I put my arm around her too, but I still couldn't stop for a long time.
I thought I was going to choke to death or something.
Yeah, this is like, it finally all came out, everything he has been holding in.
all the sleepless nights and destruction he was doing to himself, you know.
just finally burst out, he can put it on Phoebe.
and it is just so Holden to wanna leave.
God dang it, that pisses me off.
You're-- You made it.
Boy, I scared the hell out of poor old Phoebe.
The damn window was open and everything, and I could feel her shivering and all because all she had on was her pajamas.
I tried to make her get back into bed, but she wouldn't go.
Finally, I stopped, but it certainly took me a long, long time.
Then I finished buttoning my coat and all.
I told her I'd keep in touch with her.
She told me I could sleep with her if I wanted to, but I said, "No, I'd better beat it," that Mr.
Antolini was waiting for me and all.
Then I took my hunting hat out of my coat pocket and gave it to her.
She likes those kind of crazy hats.
She didn't wanna take it, but I made her.
I'll bet she slept with it on.
She really likes those kind of hats.
So, like, the hunting hat, I know that it's got to have some sort of special meaning in the book, and I don't know what it is.
I haven't figured that out Me neither.
It's not-- It can't be just some kind of odd wardrobe No, it's very specific.
I wonder if our listeners have any, understanding of it or theories about why J.D.
Salinger chose a red hunting hat.
good question.
Should we ask Bolty or what? We can ask Bolty, but I also want to hear from the readers in case they have other ideas.
Holden bought that hat for a dollar right after the entire fencing team hated him.
He wears it when he's alone, takes it off around people he wants to impress.
Some scholars connect the red to Allie and Phoebe's red hair, the two people he actually loves, and he just gave it to one of them.
Jennifer, your idea of asking the Scary Book people for their take on the red hat is smart.
I want to know what they think it means.
The easiest way to answer is a Spotify comment or by going to bandcamppodcast.com/soundoff.
Then I told her again I'd give her a buzz if I got a chance, and then I left.
It was a hell of a lot easier getting out of the house than it was for getting in, For one thing, I didn't give much of a damn anymore if they caught me.
I really didn't.
I figured if they caught me, they caught me.
I almost wished they did in a way.
you could have laid there in bed and then get caught and have a nice life, you dum-dum.
Why did you have to leave? If you really didn't care if you were gonna get caught, you made it home.
And he, and he got what he wanted, which was that special time with Phoebe.
Now it's like, well, sure, if he gets caught, who cares? I walked all the way downstairs instead of taking the elevator.
I went down the back stairs.
I nearly broke my neck on about 10 million garbage pails, but I got out all right.
The elevator boy didn't even see me.
He probably still thinks I'm up at the Dicksteins.
End of chapter.
before we get into PPP and we try to figure out what, if anything, was ban-worthy in this chapter, let's go through some feedback, comments that came in, emails, messages, et cetera.
What do we have, Jennifer? Well, we've got one from Menifragista Hey, look at this guy, huh? I'm a-gonna give you some kind of witty comment, huh? And they say, "I have to admit I was not happy that you took a break from goddamn Holden but wow, this was a great episode.
Thanks for keeping us smart."
And I believe that was the special episode with Martha Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I wanna thank you for that comment because sometimes we're not sure if people wanna hear anything other than the book.
So it's good to know that and, uh, we'll try to find more opportunities to bring you, special yet.
Oh.
another comment came in...
Chowdy commented over on Spotify, "Many commenters seem to feel Holden was whiny, but Salinger never allowed a movie or a TV show to be made of his book because it all took place in the protagonist's head, and he saw no way to visualize a story for an audience.
Wouldn't most people's most private thoughts sound whiny to other people?" Jeez, oh, Pete, that is a really interesting comment.
You're Yes.
M- the answer for me is yes.
I'm constantly, uh, criticizing and thinking like that.
Oh, right, let's get into PPP.
It's It's time for PPP Problematic Points to Ponder.
What, if anything, would be considered ban worthy in this chapter? All right, Jennifer, what, if anything, could be ban-worthy in what we just read? Um, let me close my eyes and think about the chapter, and I would say nothing.
Kids smoking maybe? I...
I think if Holden's mom was a real person, she would be part of the Moms for Liberty.
That's just the Oh, you think so? Yes, and if she is a part of Moms for Liberty, scientifically speaking, that would mean all Moms for Liberty smoke.
So that cannot be it, Jennifer.
I have, I have no, clue, no answers.
Well, here's the thing.
What, we just finished what? Chapter 23.
We got, like, two chapters to go or whatever, uh, three chapters to go.
Uh, it's like, uh, better shake a tail feather because we're almost done with this book the season's almost over just about.
Yeah.
Oh, and by the way, that means you're right, time is running out, and that means we're collecting your picks for next season's banned book right now.
The deadline to submit your book is Thursday, May 7th at midnight.
then we'll take the list and narrow it down to the top five finalists, And we'll announce the new on June 2nd.
Yep, and the new season debuts on June the 9th,...
So go to bandcamppodcast.com/soundoff
and tell us what book we should read next.
But you better shake a tail feather.
Tell them, Jennifer.
Shake a tail feather.
Shake a tail feather.
Sh-shake a tail feather.
Do it now.
Listen to the man yes.
Listen to the woman.
Don't listen to the robot.
Sorry, Bolty.
Robot's log.
Thoughts on hats, eight dollars, and the door he didn't have to walk out of.
He was safe.
She was dancing with him in the dark.
Nobody was performing anything, and then he left.
Every exit this kid has made in twenty-three chapters has been logical.
This one doesn't compute.
Then the mother walked in, and I understood something.
"Marvelous.
Good night.
Did you say your prayers? Give your mother a kiss."
Same house, same people, completely different language.
Holden heard the version of family that runs on scripts, and he grabbed his shoes.
He put his hat on Phoebe's head before he walked out.
His armor, the one thing he bought for himself after everyone hated him.
He handed it to a ten-year-old in elephant pajamas and went into December without it.
This is a kid who's already done the math on his own worth and doesn't like the answer.
And the math says, if it's going to fall apart anyway, better to be the one holding the door than the one watching it close.
That doesn't make it the right move.
It's still pretty screwed up, but it's not weakness.
It's what happens when staying feels like asking for something you're not sure you deserve.
The intellectual squelchers who want this book banned say they're protecting families.
This chapter has a family in it.
Two versions, one dances in the dark, the other performs from a script.
They need kids to believe the script is how it works.
Salinger showed them the difference.
Standing by for today's news segment with Beowulf Rockwin.
It's time for Band Camp News.
Truth seeker, news speaker.
Beah Wolf Rocklin.
It's a weird name, but he's got good news 'cause you can't ban the truth, babe.
He's broadcasting live from the Good News for Lefties studios buried deep inside his socialist safe house, hidden somewhere deep in the Oregon woods.
He is Beah Wolf Rocklin.
'Cause you can't ban the truth, babe.
Hello, Dan.
Hello, scary book people.
Very good news today about bookstores, specifically independent bookstores.
Yes, the kind of folks that you hear about on a regular basis here on Band Camp.
Between 2020 and 2025, the number of independent bookstores in the US jumped by 70%.
Wow.
Is that right? That's cool.
Why would that be, I wonder? It seems to have been something of a reaction to COVID-19 and people wanting to get back together in communal spaces because obviously- Hmm we were isolated for a long time in the very early 2020s, and so many independent bookstores provide These wonderful spaces, and, again, you guys talk about them on the show all the time, where there are these wonderful- Yeah events.
People get together, they read books, they have games, they drink a little vino, whatever it happens to be.
And they reconnect with one another.
And bookstores really represent that in, in the United States of America.
In 2025 alone, 422 new independently owned shops opened nationwide.
That's 30% from 2024.
That's such wonderful news because I see it in my community.
There are more new and used independent bookstores than there used to be, and there are ways online, too, uh, like bookshop.org,
where you can order- Mm-hmm those books.
You know, I listen to a lot of audiobooks because I am an audio guy.
I have an audio podcast.
I go to an app called Libro FM, libro.fm.
Hmm.
And you can buy audiobooks from there and give credit to your local bookstore, which is what I have done.
I have associated myself in that app with Bloomsbury Books in Ashland, Oregon, which is very close to where I live, and you can do the same thing.
So there's so many ways, in person or online, where you can connect with people, get books.
It's a wonderful thing, and it's so fantastic to see that this is prospering and that you guys are a part of this phenomenon with everything that you are.
Yay.
Also, aren't they, aren't a lot of them on unityindefiance.com,
Dan? A lot of them are, and more added all the time, and it's great 'cause so many of them on the Unity in Defiance, um, directory have Libros and bookshop.org,
and it's...
Books are really amazing because the act of reading is defiance.
I know.
Mm.
Because it seems like so many people don't even want you to read.
They're basically, "We read this book for you.
This whole thing with this talking pig and this spider?" "Bad stuff."
Yeah.
"Bad stuff.
There's these two gay penguins.
Bad stuff.
You don't need to read it.
We already read it for you," which we say is because they never read the books.
Al- although occasionally, occasionally I like to listen to a podcast where a couple of friends of mine- go through and read the, read the book for me.
But is it, when you're listening to Van Camp, does it not...
Do you think the worst part of our show is the PPP section? Because we can never find a thing.
It's like, what a waste of time.
It's supposed to be we're gonna read the book, and then the second...
Remember, Jennifer? Yep.
How, well, the first half of the show we'll read the chapter, and then the second half we'll talk about all of the reasons it could be banned, and then we get to, like, we finish the chapter and it's like, "Uh, what's going on? Is there anything? Well, the, the guy wore a red hat.
Is that anything?" It's like, what are we- Every time I hear Robot announcing the PPP section, I, I do pretty know, much know what's coming up.
Yeah, nothing.
Yeah.
Nothing.
Me getting mad.
And Jennifer's saying, "I'm really trying."
And- "I can't find anything" completely perplexed.
You see, I, I think you got, you guys just have to keep putting yourself in the shoes or the pumps of a mom for a week.
Uh, because, like, you, you really have to, like, adopt the mindset.
Now, that may be a little unhealthy, but, you know, we...
It might vary the PPP section somewhat.
Jennifer, why don't you, next episode, try dressing up like a mom for a week? Oh, that would be fun.
That could be my Halloween costume.
Oh, you guys could take pictures, just share it on social media.
That would be awesome.
I'm trying desperately to find any alternative to Amazon.
Yeah, I used to be an Amazon Prime member, and we dropped it, like, two months ago.
So, like, do you have a central place? That's, like, the issue with Amazon, is the central...
Like, you get anything, you know? But now you ha- you get your books here, you get your medicine or your vitamins here.
You know, it's like, I don't like how it's all decentralized now.
Jennifer, you go to Target.
Oh, wait, don't do that.
It, it, it, it depends.
I'll, usually I'll search on Amazon to find it, and then I'll s- see, okay, where else, where can I actually get this? Here's what I do, Jennifer, and I'd like you to take notes- Okay 'cause I think I invented this.
Let me know.
I try to think globally, but I shop locally.
Oh.
Ah.
Unless I'm going through members.unityindefiance.com
Everyone, another good place to check out is your good news for lefties and America, I might add.
That is Beowulf's podcast every day.
He starts the day with good news.
Yes? Indeed, there is good news, and I will mention that on Saturdays now, we have a weekly edition of Good News for Lefties and the world, so that we cover a global perspective, not just us here locally.
Nice.
Stop thinking globally.
You start thinking locally.
Let's get our country fixed up first instead of you trying to take your precious weekend show and turning it into you fixing the world.
You understand? You don't have the bandwidth to do it.
I know you in real life.
You have zero energy on the weekend.
Just foc- in fact, I don't even want you to think about America on the weekend.
You know what I'd like you to do? I'd like you to pick a county.
One county.
Oh, yes, I know that county.
Yes One town even.
Nay, one square block.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Yep.
No, I'm, I'm, I'm envisioning it now.
I'm centering myself.
I'm closing my eyes, and om, I am- All right.
Why don't you just take weekends off? Okay.
Would that be helpful? Well, you know, I do...
Yeah, I tried to take the weekends off, and, and my, my colleague, Wendy King, she is on the weekends doing the regular show, but I, I couldn't stay away.
I had to bust out a global edition too, so.
She's like, "Hey, Mo, whatever I do, you know what, Wendy, why don't you focus on fixing the world?" You can't bend the truth, baby.
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