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Ep.93 | Where the Inner Work Meets the Outer Work as an Entrepreneur w/ Ramon Estrada, Founder CEO Coach · Curiously Guided Podcast

• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Curiously Guided Podcast.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're your hosts, Mariah and Jay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two online business strategists passionate about rewriting the rules to success within both life and business.
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  SPEAKER_02: This podcast started because we both felt frustrated by the lack of deep, meaningful, and transparent conversations around what it takes to actually run a business that we both feel good about.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: So we decided to create that for ourselves.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: We want our solo episodes and guest interviews to be examples of how you too can chase your dreams and go down your own rabbit holes, ultimately leading to a more sustainable and fulfilling life.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: We believe that curiosity is our superpower.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: And trusting the nudge is a muscle that's meant to be strengthened.
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  SPEAKER_01: Especially if we want to create a lifestyle that feels good from the inside out.
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  SPEAKER_01: So are you ready to open your mind and let curiosity guide the way?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let's take this journey together.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're so glad you're here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now let's dive in.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right, y'all.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the pod.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny, I have never said pod.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: I just heard Shay say pod the other day in an intro.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wow, cool girl.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, welcome back to the pod, y'all.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so this conversation is like a real fucking treat.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I am so jazzed about it.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like the conversation that we had with Ramon was so timely.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's kind of exactly what me and Shay needed to hear before we hit record.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Shay was like, Mariah, during that conversation, like I was in a like a time warp.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't even know where we went.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like we were hanging out on Mars, but not in like a I'm disconnected from this conversation way, but in like we were in our own wormhole way.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, very, very, very cool.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because I'm thinking back to the conversation that we just had earlier this week.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like it's like a commercial for the podcast.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like everything that Ramon was saying and talking about and connecting is like very much what we feel in terms of business, in terms of like the entrepreneurship world and kind of the whole idea of like combining the inner work and the outer work as a business owner is what inspired us to have this podcast to begin with.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because like I didn't think we were going there during the interview.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, Ramon is one of my SEO consulting clients.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: And after we wrapped up our package together, I was like, hey, I love your genius.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, will you come on the podcast and kind of like chat with us about this stuff?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't really give him too much information.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: At first, he was like, girl, what kind of podcast do you like?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to talk about SEO.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what the hell are you talking about?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I told him, he was like, Oh, yeah, that's a perfect fit.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: But like, I didn't really have too much information in terms of like what he would talk about, where we would go with it.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of was just like really intrigued by like his philosophy.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: And like, I think the convo is a fucking slam dunk.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't wait to go back and to listen to it and to hear the way that he so intricately weaves all of this stuff together because it's so hard to kind of see sometimes how the inner work and the outer work kind of like flow together naturally.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: But like he breaks it down in terms of like a paradox, and like I just love the way that he breaks it down.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think that it's gonna be really beneficial if you also are sitting here and being like, I don't know how to bring like the energetics into the strategy of what I'm doing, or like I don't know how to bring like the energetics into the business that I'm creating.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think that you're really gonna love this episode.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know, one theme we've really hit on a lot this season is this idea of emotional resiliency, or how do you really be with yourself?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we always hear entrepreneurs say, like, entrepreneurship is the greatest self-development journey you could ever take.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that's totally true.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I know this is a horse that you and I beat dead, but we started this podcast because we were overwhelmed with a lot of strategy advice on how to build a business.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like we were like, I'm good on a strategy, I get it, this and my jam.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: But what we were feeling a little bit weak on was the other side of it.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_02: We call it energetic.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I think of it as like, you know, dealing with the rest of me.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: How do I show up emotionally healthy, you know, um able to kind of handle the other side of holding a business on your own.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: So um we've always kind of said where the inner work meets the outer work.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of the lesson or the through line that came out of this episode.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, my nerdy inner philosopher got to kind of um jam out in this episode with Ramon.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we were quoting Einstein, we quoted my man Victor Frankel, who I bring up in every episode, Alan Watts.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Even when we quit record, um Ramon brought up Julia Cameron, who is like my idol, and he's got to work with her before.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: So Ramon is just very much on the same wavelength as us.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: And the way that he kind of coaches the executives that he works with on how to, yes, we can be strategic, but we also have to bring our whole human selves into this, and those two things have to work together, is just very profound and um encouraging and enlightening.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm so excited to share him with you guys and the way that he talks about things and the beautiful language that he uses.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think y'all nerd out on it like we did.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: So just to introduce you, Ramon Estrada is an executive coach with professional experience as a business consultant, executive, and six-time entrepreneur.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: His areas of interest include leadership, entrepreneurial initiative, entrepreneurship, creativity, innovation, and resilience.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: And he has got an awesome podcast that we will refer you guys to and link in the show notes called The Business The Art of Business.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: Is that right, Mariah?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Business is Art Podcast.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Business is art podcast.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: Highly recommend it.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: Check out Ramon, he's doing great work in this world, and we'll um jump into the episode now.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Ramon, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm super fucking excited to have you here.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: So just a really quick backstory.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: Ramon is one of my clients, and we were kind of like going through his website, doing some strategy and all of that.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: And at the very end of the call, I literally was like, Hey, I love what you do and how you think about things.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to come on my podcast?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Is this like an SEO podcast, girl?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I gave him no context.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I kind of had to rewind and be like, no, Sharp left.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's actually called Curiously Guided.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then he was really excited about it.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, I think he was, at least he pretended to be, which I appreciate.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but Ramon, I just I really love your philosophy in terms of like how you go about things, how you see business, like your podcast is called Business is Art.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that really resonates with like how we think about things.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like how our audience thinks about things.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like before we get too deep into things, will you just kick us into like how the fuck did you get into this online space?
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for for bringing business is hard, Mariah and Shay, thank you also well for inviting me.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think that um in this digital space, I have been trying to do things differently because honestly, I think I think in a different way, usually.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: I am a little bit of a challenger of ideas.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't know, going to astrology, I have uh Aries uh and my son's side, a lot of Aquarius, a lot of water as well as fire.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I like to challenge things, and I think it comes from having a life of um in a dysfunctional family, having to really move around my life in in survival mode.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: But I think that most of the work that we do in life has been implied or or or structured in such an industrial way, you know, like if we are just pieces and a cog and that we need to do the things over and over.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, yesterday I went with my kids and my now ex-wife to see the Groundhog Day uh play in the theater.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_03: And and this brings me about how we are investing most of our lives, most of the part of our days in something that we found deep inside boring.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: And boring because we are always looking into the external validation and we're not getting inner joy, inner happiness, inner fulfillment for what we do.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I realized that there was this polarity or duality or even like a paradox in which how can we achieve things and be productive and serve the world while also having something deep and meaningful for us?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I think this is where the artistic part comes to place, where we can connect what we are doing externally, but also finding ourselves like artists, creators, even misfits, you know, um non-conformists doing this in our own way.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because I believe that work and entrepreneurship specifically should not be a paint by numbers aspect where we are just like huffling and do this, and the framework is ABC, and you just follow it and you get results.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think that's true.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I also think that it's totally invalid to leave ourselves and who we truly are out of the equation.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: And this brings a lot of unhappiness, a lot of frustration.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's the difference between people that just are looking for results and for validation from others instead of really willing to do something that is meaningful for ourselves.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, if you think of artists, they go every day, they show up, they paint, think of Picasso, and they are probably clueless if their art is going to be light, but they walk the talk and they perform in their own way.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, mic drop, and the episode is over.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: That that was incredible.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: Shay, go go ahead and kick it in.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious, do a lot of your clients resonate with that idea of being a creative right away, or is that something you kind of have to ease them into?
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think that there's not an easy question for this.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: Uh thank you for bringing this up.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Let's let's talk about my coaching practice, okay?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: I collaborate with organizations, with business schools.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_03: So in that way, I cannot bring all my madness, my creativity stuff because the clients usually do not choose me.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_03: They choose the business school, they choose the organization, and then there is this fit, right?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: So, in this way, they get to taste what I'm talking about.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: They get to taste the resonance because I like to empower people to really be who they are.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: And this has been also my goal in life is to be fully authentic.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Authentic in a compassionate way.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like bringing my shed and my own selfishness to people.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's not what I'm talking about.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm talking about being in integrity.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: Who I am is a person that shows up as I can be.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: So, yes, they get a taste out of that.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: But then I have my own practice, I have my own clients that come to me and I come to them.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there is this alliance and where they know what to get.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: So, in that way, I can be more truthful, I can be more creative and allowing the this space of conversation and uniqueness to flourish.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes what happens in either conversation, if they come to coaching through a third party or they come directly, sometimes what I hear is Ramon, this is the first time that I talk about this X, you know, because they are allowed to talk about things that are really important for them.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: And usually work is important, but we want to achieve things through work.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: We are not here in life to work, in my opinion.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a means to an end, and the end is what's important.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: How did you get into the industry?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how did you get into like the coaching space?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think you were doing consulting before.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how did you get into all of this?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um there are like two aspects of the of the answer.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_03: I think the first one is how did I truly join the industry?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: It was by becoming a failed entrepreneur.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: I failed as an entrepreneur after launching many companies.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: And most of them, well, I was an intrapreneur.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I was developing companies in a holding company.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: I was doing investments and launching companies while I was having as well as uh for my own and with partners, I was launching companies and managing them while I have a job.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I was getting paid to develop companies within a holding.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_03: I was with my remaining money and my own capital, I was launching companies while working as well, and then um just managing it part-time, and then I decided to become a full-time entrepreneur.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: But I did that by myself, I did that as the sole founder, and that's where my ego got in the way, and I wanted to democratize finance in Mexico, and I was doing a lot of things, and eventually the company flooped.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: It was a disaster, I lost a lot of my savings and all that.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: But here's the fun part in the journey from being a successful entrepreneur, you know, by launching company, and being a failed entrepreneur, it was there was coaching.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: Coaching allowed me to join two dots.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: One was my inner world and my own inner development, which I have been meditating and in a spiritual journey, you could call it, for maybe 20 plus years.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: And my outer world.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: Before coaching, there I was living two different lives.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: I was a hustler, I was like really pushing my team hard, I wanted results, I didn't want them to bring me problems, I wanted solutions, you know, this kind of thing of really a masculine, um, failed masculinity, you know, about that force and effort and all these kind of things.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: And coaching allowed me to review things from a different perspective.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: I joined a coaching program 10 years ago to become a better leader.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: But that's the part, the latest part.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: The first part was during my first work, my first job, I was around 19 years old and I was working halftime, that means four hours per day, to pay for my university degree.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I had to work to pay for school.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: So I had not a lot of time for fun.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: I was studying and I wanted to get my degree as fast as possible to make more money and survive.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: My mother had just died from brain cancer when I was 18 years old, and my father, and the oldest of three brothers, my father, in a way, abandoned us, you could say that.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: So when I was 19, I was in a sort of way, mom and dad for three teenagers, me, myself, and two younger brothers.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying this because in this first job, there were a bunch of coaches helping the organization to thrive.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: And they brought this concept of ontological coaching, which has to do with who we are and the use of language, how language and linguistics manage our relationships.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: Linguistics is not only about describing things, but generating new possibilities.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: So that for me opened in me a window of okay, coaching is really cool for organizations, for work.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: And it sounds a little bit even magical how to use words, words.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: Think about Abracadabra, right?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: It said that you know it's it's about generating um new possibilities.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: So that was when I was 19, and I joined uh the launch, the coaching industry when I was how old was I?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe 38, something like that.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: So it took me 20 years of having coaching in my mind, but not deciding up until I totally failed as an entrepreneur, and I said, This is my moment of truth to join, to get together all my experience, um, consulting, as Mariah said, and a lot of my philosophy, esoteric studios, religion, meditation, and to bring it into a way of joining the inner and the outer world.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Can you tell us a little bit more about what you would think is your unique philosophy around coaching?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like what makes you unique.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm still here, the image has not frozen.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: But wow, uh this is um when when I mean unique, or when you say unique, it's not that it's unique in me, but I would say that my largest quality, no, my inherent largest quality I would say is creativity.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: So there are two aspects that I love paradoxes, I love metaphors, you know, and one of them is that I am a highly practical person in the sense that I studied engineering, I've been an entrepreneur several times, I dedicate my time also collaborating with a top-notch uh business school.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I think we need to be in this world, you know, we need to do things that are meaningful, but we also need to understand that this world is not what it is.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: There's way more than that, you know.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: And now going to the metaphysical in Kabbalah, they say that this world where we see with our senses is just 1% and the 99% we cannot see.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's something that goes beyond us and it's more quantum, let's say.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: So the paradox is the known world and the unknown world.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: So my unique sense is that I just love being in the middle.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: I love to bring my clients to that point where they are honoring who they are, but they are loving who they want to be, and we are playing in that liminal space.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I am a deep diver into that, so I go deep, but I also like to move forward and to bring these possibilities in an ecological way, in a way that my clients' energy can really honor that.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: And as a coach, we know, as coaches, we know that we need to work where the client is.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: We cannot push the client, especially if we really want to create new possibilities that are sustainable.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: If we are just pushing, that could serve one occasion, but we are not mentors, we are not teachers, we are coaches, so we provide this space.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I would say that that makes me a little bit unique, this willingness of generating, of having generative spaces with the known and the unknown.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: And now at this stage of my life, I would say that the known has to do a lot with work, with entrepreneurship, with the business world, because I think the business world as it is sucks.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I would say that we typically agree with that.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like everything that you're saying, like we've even used some of the words that you're saying, like on the homepage of the podcast.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like how you see things and that kind of stepping into that like middle ground just aligns so much with like our story and kind of like how we created this podcast.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we kind of were seeing that option of like the very, very business podcast, where it was like ROIs and the framework and the whatever, and we're like, yeah, that's fine.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: But then we also saw the spirituality podcast, where it was like they're floating so high in the sky sometime that like it just doesn't even feel practical.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like we were really craving that middle ground because I feel like the more self-awareness that you have, the more curiosity that you have.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you keep coming back to the middle.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you can sway in one end or the other, but I do think the magic of life and also um the hard part of life is to remember that there are both sides because both of them can be so or so alluring to kind of spend time in one or the other.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like I want to dive deep into like the spiritual side of things, but oh fuck, I also have to make money and like, I don't know, pay to live in a home and like pay for food and stuff like that.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or it's like you're leaning into the part of like, wow, I can see all of this potential in business and like this is really cool.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let me step into this and let's grind it out.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then you do that, and then you completely lose yourself and now you're completely imbalanced, and then you forget that you're actually co-creating your entire life and especially your career.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Essentially, if you allow yourself to have your business be art or like your business be kind of like an expression of your passion and your curiosities and helping people in that way, I feel like it's really important to keep coming back to the middle.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so I listened to a podcast episode of yours, and it's titled, We see the world through how we feel.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: And like, I'm not asking you to like re uh re restate that podcast episode.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we'll we'll leave a link to it in the show notes below.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: But can you just dive into that idea a little bit?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you see that?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: How do you explain that to clients?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Or like, how did you come to realize?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: That like that's a really important part, and a really important piece of the puzzle is like seeing the world through how we feel.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um I would like to explain this point exactly linking to what I just said and where you said, and Malil, I would like to challenge the part of the middle way in the way that sometimes we can understand it.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, when when we talk about a middle way, we could either think that, okay, so I need to be speaking of paradoxes, with the paradox, the powerful word is the word and we are both things.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I am a worker, but I can be an artist.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: I can be a good person, but also I can be a bad person.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_03: And this goes back to the aspect that Carl Jung mentioned: that we have a shadow, we have something that we don't want the world to see.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: But until we bring this up and we say, yes, there's this shadow in me, but there is this light, we can become whole.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: So this is this comes from the also to how the world is now.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: I'm 48 years old now, and I could say that 48, and I could say that I am in a life like um midlife crisis for sure.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I mean deep changes in my life, and now my world honors the paradoxes, honors that there's light, there's darkness, there's business, but there's art, there's humanity, and there's a spirituality, both at the same time.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: Before, the way I saw my world, it was boxed into this or that.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it was the world was not on, was or light or shadow.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: So I wanted people to see, and listen to one of your podcast episodes, speaking of the enagram, right?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: On the enagram, we just want the light to show, but the wound or what's really triggering our intentions is the ones that we don't want people to see.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: In my case, I wanted people to see me as a perfect achiever.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: Enneagram types three, but I didn't want them to show, to know.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I thought I wasn't showing my credentials, but obviously people noticed that I was overreacting to most of the things.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: So who I am now can really validate this part of the paradox of the two sides of things at the same time.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that's a little bit of the middle spectrum.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's not this or that, but it's it has an extra layer where both are there.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: So going into some practical aspect, think about one night where you go partying and maybe you drank a lot or you couldn't have a lot of time to sleep, right?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: So that night you could not rest.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: And when you wake up, the next morning you are not at your 100%.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, honestly, we are always at our 100%, but the level of the 100% will change.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: But your usual 100%, maybe it's today's 40%.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: That day, this is just a lucky day, I guess, but you can be grumpy, you need an extra dose of caffeine, you're irritable with uh your partner, with uh the neighbors, with traffic, you're blaming everything.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: So who you are, the way you are in that moment is going to be the lenses to how you see see things.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: So this is something highly practical because going back to my coaching practice, how do I want to be looking at my clients, being there fully present, honoring who they are, unless which I try to be as clean of my lenses as possible.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: I need to open myself up, I need to be present.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: If I am not present, all my personal stories, and it will happen.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: We are judging all the time.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know, somebody could say, oh, such a nice sweater, or or not, or which kind of light you have, it doesn't look like a studio that's not professional, whatever.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: We are judging all the time.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: But the importance here is to notice what's making our mind think.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: What are our thoughts?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: How I am feeling, and it has to do um in ontological coaching, we call this the observer.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: How we observe the world has to do with mostly three things, according to these coaching um principles in ontological coaching.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: It has to do with our body, it has to do with our position, it has to do if I'm open, if I am resolute, if I am flexible and jumpy, or if I'm totally grounded.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: If I am totally grounded, I might not have flexibility because I'm going to be wanting things to be real.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's a dense energy, but I'm here.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: Think of a sumo resulter, right?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: If I want to be jumpy and developing new ideas, I need to be flexible.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: I need to dance.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the energy is on the air.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: There's more air.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: In being really grounded, there's a lot of earth.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: But if I'm resolute, I want to hustle, hustle, hustle, that's fire energy.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: I need to move forward no matter what.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: Guess where it's going to lead us?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: This is going to lead us to probably burnout.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: Or, you know, when we are not resting, or I need to be open.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's something I'm laying myself back.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's more like water, but it's about being open.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: It will depend.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: So, on how my body is there, there's an emotional state, as I said, when we are where we are not, um, we haven't slept, we are tired, so we are more sensitive to things.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: But you think uh, have you heard that we should not be taking or making decisions when we are angry?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: Because we are fully resolute, we want things to move forward.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: Don't touch me because I will break you, you know, these kind of things.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: So emotions, and the third has to do with the linguistics, it has to do with what's our operational system, what are we telling ourselves, and how we tell ourselves what we say is related a lot with emotions, with the body, because we cannot think of ourselves just an emotions, body, or it's a system.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: There's it's there's an interdependence, there's a play.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, that's what comes to my mind.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: The what you're saying really resonated with us.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, me personally, I'm triple water.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: I know we've been talking about our sides.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so, emotions, the emotional part has been a big journey for me.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I identify as being a smart person.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: So when I got into business, I was like, oh, I can learn, I can know all these things.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: I even had a successful business, but I was still waking up panicking.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: I couldn't deal with the emotional part.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I even started to tell myself a story that uh because I'm so emotional, I can't be an entrepreneur.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I was kind of lacking what you're saying of that, how to embrace the both and and how to really use that stuff to um propel you forward instead of hold you back.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so that episode Mariah mentioned, you talk about this idea of our inner soundtrack and how background elements in our life, kind of like a film score, can shape our emotional responses.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so that idea of like the soundtrack or the operating system, like you said, I think for me, that was the big shift.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: That was, oh, I've got to pay attention to what's running in here and what's around me physically.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what helps me kind of hold this bull fan sustainably.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, do you mind sharing with us a bit more?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'll share the reason this jumped out at me and like made my heart beat a bit is because one of the big visual metaphors I used as I was trying to work on this emotional part was this idea of going to a when that voice is so loud, just going to a speaker system and like literally turning it down.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you are really loud right now, things are out of balance.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: How can I kind of turn you down?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: So that idea of the inner soundtrack has been very real for me.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: So do you mind sharing a little bit more about that philosophy and and what that means?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, well, first, Shay, I I I I can truly feel what you're saying and the difficulty of um, I think in today's business world uh business world, it's mostly action-driven, and we don't honor what's happening in our inner lives, and that brings a lot of pain.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: And I can really resonate with that because um I will eventually answer your question.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: But there you just brought me to something that um think of well, I will speak about me.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's easy to talk about clients, but I come from a Latin family, I'm from originally from Mexico City, I live in Barcelona, and as a male, in Latin countries, we are not allowed to share our feelings.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: Because if we cry, well, it will depend on the family, okay?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: But mostly, um, if we cry, boys, don't cry.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: You are going to be, you know, the the thing that, but sometimes it came from mothers.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: So mothers are also part of this system called patriarchy about just do the external thing, and the inner world is lame.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: My inner soundtrack when I was an entrepreneur, because I have a lot of water in my astrology in human design, I have two systems, a split definition.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: So it means that I have this highly intellectual ability, but I have a lot of intuition.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: I I could even be a little bit psychic, to be honest.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: But what happens when I wasn't honoring this um this part of me?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: My mind was running the show, my ideas.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: So in your podcast, it's named Curiously Guided.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: No, uh, so for me it's important.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: Guided, okay, guided by whom or by who?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: So for me, it used to be my intellect, the one running the show.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: What happened one month ago when I moved out of my house and I started, you know, as I mentioned, I recently divorced and all that.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: I had 700 books.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: 700.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: There's not a flat that can fit in for one person, 700.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, and I'm not going to be living in a library, you know.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: You can see behind me, there's towers of books there.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: And those are the ones that I will they have a due date.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: I will use them six months.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: If not, they are gone, but they interest me.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: But then I have as well a live a bookshelf with a lot of books.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: So what happens with my inner inner soundtrack?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: Or I was playing this part of I'm too sensitive.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um how come I can wake up one day feeling amazing, and the next day not so?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: So my inner soundtrack had to do with my sensitivity is a weakness.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: My inner soundtrack told me that my even intuition, I was making things out with people, and was making me in a way, and listen, making me this is the victim talking, okay?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: Making me.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: We always, friends of the audience, have our power comes from choosing.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: So what happens in the external world, there's always a gap.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: This is from Victor's Franco, the man's search of meaning.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: So when something happens in the outside and we are about to respond, there's always an ability to find space.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: So when we challenge our reactive side, which has a lot to do with this inner soundtrack, we become powerful, we become empowered, we get energy, and that's where true free will comes from.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: So in my case, I thought about this in this intuition, this second system of being highly intuitive, I wasn't playing with that, and that brought me a lot of suffering because I needed to do something.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: Now I taste what I want to do, so my sacral response because I am a generator on human design and bringing aspects from your other shows.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so if I am aligned to where my energy is and where my soul wants to be, I choose that path, and then my intellect is helping me to go into the proper strategy and the tactics.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: But my compass is no longer my mind.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because, friends, there's a big problem with minds.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: Minds have been educated by cultures, by families, by our experiences, and sometimes the sound of the inner soundtrack in our mind is so high that we cannot listen to another soundtrack that it's also playing, and it has a really tiny voice, and that's the sound of our soul.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh full body chills.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: I smiled at Mariah.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: I've quoted that Victor Frankel quote, Ramon, in maybe the last three episodes that we've shot.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: So the fact that you brought that up is, of course, you know, uh very synchronous.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um thank you for bringing that up.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think that idea is so key.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: And what I'm, as you were talking, I'm just realizing like the power in all of this comes from being able to bring the inner world and the outer world together and honoring both.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: I liked how you brought up that idea of like honoring both sides, because I think I was totally separate.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of us feel very comfortable.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: If we're logical brain people, we may feel like we've lived our whole lives in our head, and that's kept us safe and alive up until this point.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: So it feels really comfortable.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I was totally like shutting down those emotional parts.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: I saw them as bad, those are my weak sizes.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: I've been told I'm too sensitive.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure a lot of our audience resonates with that idea of being told you're too sensitive.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: So, this idea of let's flip that perhaps.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: How do we integrate these two sides?
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: And how do we bring our sensitivity in as more of a strength or even a superpower into the work that we do?
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: That that's incredibly profound.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing that.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: That you're helping me kind of pull the pieces together.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: And something that comes to me, Shay, is that um this about oh, you're too sensitive.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, but sometimes I have heard also you're too intense.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: Too intense.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: So now part of my the fun part of being a coach now is that first I can say crazy shit and sound interesting because you know I'm a coach.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, first of all, the second part is that my intensity, since it's since it's connected to my with all humility, I'm trying, okay, but it's about listening to my soul, or at least I where my intuition and where I really want to go, that turns into passion, you know.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: So there's a direction, there's a mode.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: And now, if my mind, and this is not a paradox, this is for me as a true spectrum into when I am making a decision, going back to Victor Frankel, whose energy is in the rule, okay.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um in this space, where do I choose?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Do I choose where my brain, my education, my cognitive mind leads me to, or where I truly feel that I need to go, I will definitely go.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: This is binary for me.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: I don't do things that I don't want to do anymore.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes this feels tough because it's about telling my family that I don't go to places that I because I know that if I don't want to go, it will be shown on all over my face, you know, my body, my energy.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I know that I don't do that anymore for them as well.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is not playing selfish.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is really I feel like this conversation literally came on the perfect day.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: So yesterday or this past weekend, I one of my friends opened up an event space in Buffalo, and so she had some vendors there, and there was this girl who did a tarot reading.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: I used to fuck with my tarot cards all the time, haven't picked them up in like a year and a half, probably.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: But she was like, I have an open spot.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, literally sign me up.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care how much it is.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, permission to read me to shreds, because I always think that like that's the best part.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so the message basically came down to what you guys are saying in terms of like sensitivity is bad and all of that.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like the stories that we've been told.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: I guess like the message that I got and the message that I know is true for me a lot of the time is like distraction.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of have this like inner knowing or inner feeling of like what I want to do.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then I just fucking distract myself so that I can't take action on it.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then I like make decisions in my head that like I can't move forward with that because that's not logical, which kind of like feeds off of what you were saying.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, I guess my question is because you you say that like it's all over your face, whether you want to do it or you don't want to do it.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I have that as well.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I guess like I can bullshit myself really well too.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can kind of be like, well, what do you mean?
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: I can talk myself into literally anything.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: But how do I, when I know that there's like this inner path or this inner way that I want to go, how do I trust that?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: How do I like, because saying no is extremely difficult.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to say no and like watch the disappointment on people's faces, or like in the context of like my business, for example, I really want to step deeper into like education.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: I want to step deeper into like the digital product space, but that would require me to step back on clients, to step back on these things.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that that's where I'm heading, but like it feels horrifying.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Most of my money is coming from working with clients with these bigger packages.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: So just like some context of kind of where I'm thinking, but I'm distracting myself enough to where I don't have to make a decision.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So now I just like the clients come in and I just schedule them.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: And oh, look, now I'm busy and I don't even have time to go in this direction that I want.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, how does one, if they are getting the message clear and then the tarot card reads them to shreds and kind of just like backs it up here?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: How do you allow yourself to trust that inner knowing and like move forward in that, even though it doesn't feel logical from like a business perspective?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because business is going real well over here with the clients and everything like that.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: So logically it doesn't line up.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess like, how would you how would you start breaking this down?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um let's think of the tarot cards and linking it to SEO.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so tarot cards are like Google.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever the question is, it will show.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: It will eventually go to the correct place and show the results.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so this is important to address because I believe that in the universe everything is neutral.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: We make things good or bad.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: Everything is if things are okay.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_03: So um your dog died.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's objective.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: The dog died now.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: Is it a sad event, good event?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that that's that comes from us.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: So, going into this kind of question, I think first let me clarify something because there might be some things um that are a little bit um that could easily be misunderstood.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: I have a direction in life.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: Speaking of this, and that direction has been fully reinforced by allowing myself to take the time to get to know me and to know where I want to move in life.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there is this place where I could easily, instead of jumping into the coaching industry almost 10 years ago or nine years ago when I came to Barcelona, it was for me easier to update my resume, my CD, and start saving it and getting money.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: I could be making really good money because of my experience, right?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: But my intuition and let's divide it here.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, I'm dropping a lot of things, okay?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: But first, let's unwrap something.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_03: There's a difference between instinct, intuition, and inspiration.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Please tell us more.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: Read more, read precisely.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, now instinct is survival.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: I don't go to this dark street at night because I know somebody could.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Come and it's not a good place.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's survival.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Intuition, it's like a like an internal direction system of showing me where's the appropriate inner energy for me to move on, you know?
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: And inspiration, honestly, that comes from God, from higher realms, and it's information where we are totally clueless where it comes from.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes it's just aha, it's a it's an epiphany.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: So usually my inner guidance has to do with intuition.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: For intuition to come to me, I need to be open and I need to ask the right questions.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: So when I say I don't do things that do not feel right, I'm talking about my intuition.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not talking about my instinct.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_03: If I don't want to move out, but the birth the building is on fire, guess what?
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: I need to run.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, but if I can choose out of something, I do it.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: But it's not that I do randomly.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_03: No, do I want to work today or not?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: Do I want to do this or not?
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: No, guys, we need to show up in life for things to manifest.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: And things are created twice.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_03: First, in our mind, and the second, we make it happen day by day through work.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: When I'm talking about where my energy and this big decision, I'm usually talking about things that really guide me through my life for years.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I wanted to launch online courses, a community, and I have tried to do tons of shit throughout the past six years.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: So I could be living in Barcelona, not moving around, because that was what my family situation allowed me to be, grounded in one place.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I have tried a lot of things, and none of them have worked, have worked for me.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: But I think it has to do with a lot of hustling and a lot of being pushed to do things that I wasn't truly feeling.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to fill in the void of feeling that I wasn't making as much money as I was doing 15 years ago.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just not willing to go in the paradox of I'm walking the path that my soul wants me.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a stage in life that I need to, I need to, instead of achieving things and you know, working on the external, I need to be doing the inner work.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_03: So it was working on tons of external things because I what I did not want to do the inner work of really looking deep into what's the wound.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_03: Who truly is Ramon?
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: And Ramon, that's just a label given given by my parents to me.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: Ramon is not who I am.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_03: I am not a coach.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: I do coaching.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: We would really go who we truly are and go deep.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_03: And that's the kind of energy about what you're saying, Maria, of what do I do?
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: We have moments where we are clueless.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: But friends, this is something I really invite you to find a moment, and it has to do with going to human design.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: I am more into shores.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: I like to see the difference between land and the sea, and Barcelona is perfect.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: Some people would like to go to markets or libraries or where people are or caves, or I don't know where.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: But find your sweet spot where you have moments of solace, of a nice, and really ask yourself, who do you want to be?
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: And allow this to really.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_03: Now I'm feeling energy.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: Who do I want to be?
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: In my case, it has to do a lot with creativity, allowing the spaces to do and maybe to be a little bit wild.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: No matter that, yeah, the engineering me sometimes is nagging and like, Ramon, you're freaking nuts.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: But I follow the direction and then I make things happen.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: So let's find that life as an entrepreneurship is jumping to the outside of a plane and building the parachute as we are going down.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_03: But once you know that you want to jump on the plane from the plane, you just freaking do it.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you feel it.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Now, there's something here, an asterisk, a caveat.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: Caveat?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: How do you say?
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's an exception, and I really want to make sure you have this.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: Friends, we all need to pay bills.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, we also need to do shitty jobs when we need to pay our bills.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: I wish that I could just be hired by the people I get my energy and where I have a great time, and where with whom I can talk about creativity, generativity, spirituality, metaphysics, and changing the world.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: But sometimes I have boring conversations about KPIs, OKRs, hiring, firing.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: But also, that's also part of the world.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I think it was Jesus who said you can be in the world.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_03: No, you can be in the world without being from the world, you know, or something like that.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: You're getting you can't be in the world without being of the world, or something like that.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: I I so the metaphor that's coming to my head is like we we often talk about growth as think of your tree, you know, and so like the outer branches growing out, that's definitely like the the physical, the doing, the growth that we can all see that feeds our ego.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: But if that is not balanced with the growth you can't see, like the roots growing underground, you don't have a strong foundation and you can't carry on like that.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: And and I love, I've had this quote play recently a lot about you can't solve problems that the mind created with the mind.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: So it has to be this kind of um, I keep thinking of ecosystem of how we have all of these different forms of intelligence and how can you bring them all together.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: My personal story is every business I've created up until this point, I've ended up hating because I didn't listen to the feeling at the beginning.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: I only listened to the logic.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I started with web design.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, I see a big need for this.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: I know I can make a lot of money, I know I can learn the skills.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: But even in my heart, I was like, do I want to be sitting behind a computer screen learning code?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't feel, I didn't feel excited, I didn't want to do it.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: And so, yes, outward performing Shay was able to build that business and do quite well, but she hated it.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I've talked with Mariah a lot this year around I was in a bad consulting position.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't feel aligned, and I wasn't excited about it.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: There was something else I was excited about, and I had that feeling, but logically it made no sense.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: It was a big cut in salary, big cut in ego and like what I could show.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, how could I do this?
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: It makes no sense.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's not logical.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: This I can't even see the next steps.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: How could I move forward with this?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I did in the past year, I quit the old job, stepped in the new thing, and have felt insane happiness, insane joy.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it is really just from I listened to myself and I listen to my feelings, and I balance that then with my logic.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: And that felt so confidence boosting.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, I can use all of these tools.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: And even if I can't see what the next steps are, and even if it feels illogical now, it's almost just like I'm confirming and I'm building that muscle that like when you follow your heart and when you take that piece of data into consideration, it feels wonderful.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: It feels awesome.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_02: And now all of a sudden it feels more sustainable.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm curious with you.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: I went on that tangent.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_02: I hear we hear this word inner work a lot, the roots growing.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I've heard you say, you know, that kind of starts with this idea of radical acceptance, accepting what is here.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then next, tapping in with your feeling, your intuition, yourself.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_02: What do I want?
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that idea of what do you really want?
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: We're all very disconnected from.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I like that as thinking about getting more and connected with what you want and what you really are as inner work.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm curious from your perspective, like, what is inner work?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: What does that look like for you?
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how did that journey of developing inner work play out?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, um, first it was Albert Einstein who said that we cannot solve the problems in the same level of mind that we created it.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_03: So for me, that's inner work.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um point, period.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, let me dig.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_03: No, I was about to Google the quote and figure out who said it, so thank you.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was Albert Einstein.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_03: So here's the point is that we are all the time judging ourselves by what's happening externally, what we achieve by the kind of results that we bring.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: So going back to the tree, okay, we have the roots, we have the trunk, we have the branches and the fruit.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_03: So sometimes we are judging ourselves by the fruit, right?
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: How much money I make, how much clients I have, which clothes do I have, you know, my car, my house, my family, la la la.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: And there's something interesting about that because for me, the inner work is how do you go into the inner work of a tree?
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_03: The inner work of a tree is the seed.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: The seed with one tiny seed, you can have one tree, right?
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_03: Just open one apple by half, and you will see probably two seeds, so I don't know.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: But how many trees can come from these seeds?
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's a question.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_03: From two seeds, how many trees can you can you see?
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_03: What's your what's your guess?
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Mariah, she is it for two seeds, two trees until they bear fruit and then let go of more seeds.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_03: Ah yes, and not even two seats, two trees, because maybe one of these seeds is just on top of uh the pavement, you know, or it's or or or a bird aided.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: So the fun part of the inner work is that it's not dependent on what's happening outside.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: A pear tree, Steve, knows that it's a pear tree.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes what happens is that we are judged since we are really or educated.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, let's first consider something.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure that most of the parents' intention, I have two kids, a 13-year-old boy and a nine-year-old girl.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_03: And honestly, I adore them, I love them so much, and just by naming them, I become emotional because they truly are wow, the light of my life, you know.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm sure that they will need to go to therapy because I fucked up.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: Was it my intention?
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, honestly, I swear.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: Emilio Leonor, if you ever hear this, it wasn't my intention.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm sure they will complain for things.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_03: Because one day I said, whatever, you know, it has to do with how we were brought up.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: So we are all the time getting external information about us.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't look well or you are, you know, brush your teeth, judge by results, judge by how we look, judge by our weight.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_03: If we are tired, I have, you know, I was looking into my eye and I have this brown spot.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_03: So uh what does it mean?
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that I'm what?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_03: All the time we're doing that.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_03: The inner work is really pausing and realizing something.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: Who I am, nobody can know.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_03: And honestly, probably I won't even know who I am.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's the journey of a lifetime, but I need to explore it by myself, and this is where I like, for instance, to meditate, to be in silence, and to allow my feelings and my emotions to arouse and to see what's happening in different moments.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_03: And in the Western world, we are totally used to action, to doing things, and if we are not doing things, we are losers, we are whatever.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_03: In the past three days, I have slept like 36 hours, or maybe a little, yeah, something like that.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_03: I was exhausted after moving out.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_03: I had a workshop in Morocco.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: So if somebody just took a picture of me in the past 36 hours, they would have seen me halfway sleeping, exhausted.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_03: What would they say?
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I was honoring myself and saying, hey, to gain this week and to be in good shape, I need to rest as much as I need to eat.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_03: So the inner work is going deep into who we are and has to do with the paradox again of our light, not only the light, what I want you to see of me, but it's also honoring what I don't want you to see from me of me.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's becoming a whole.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_03: So, in this way, I have to say that going back to the pear tree seat.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry if I'm too metaphor metaphorical, but no, it's it's literally perfect.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally perfect.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, honestly, that's who I am.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it it has to do with this.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you for the validation that I but think about this.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: If I just judge myself for when because of my bank account, now I'm doing really well.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_03: But how I was doing six years ago when I started as a coach.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my, that would have been.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, on my first year since I started like doing a lot of free work, my income was 100 euros.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_03: Think of 100.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_03: First year as a coach here in Barcelona.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I was the one refurbishing the place, taking care of the kids, and doing a lot of free coaching.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's the thief, because I was resonant with that will of I'm going to be a coach and I want to be a catalyst of change for business leaders to really bring not only profit but meaning.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: You were saying, say, a few minutes ago, that going to work sometimes it's it didn't feel good.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_03: You started a company, and for our entrepreneurial friends, I hear that suffering because I suffer that.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes we have this big dream, we're following our hearts, but it eventually becomes drama, and we become a victim of our dream.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why, because we lost the meaning of what we are doing there, why we are doing there.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: And the inner work is following into the whys of our lives, and who we are into the whys.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's not about the what or the how, the external world is more into the what and the how.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's why hustle, hustle, hustle.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_03: Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_03: Once we do things and we have tried so many times to do things, and we are just action results, we need to step back and to see how we see the world, how we see ourselves.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_03: There are where way more possibilities that we can change.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_03: And also another quote, now that we are dropping quotes, right?
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_03: So this makes me look really interesting.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but following Alan Watts, um, he he was a philosopher and he said, Um, I I something like that.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, I I don't have such a great memory for something literal, but it has to do with I am in no res, I am in, I am not responsible for being the person I was five minutes ago.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's freaking liberating, you know, because it, but it's not only for us, it's for everyone.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like, oh, I'm seeing my family in Mexico after 10 years, and no, I know how they are.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know, they might have changed a lot.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I like to think that we are blossoming, that we are changing that we are in this eternal change, and hopefully we make that change intentional, following our heart, what really makes sense for us in our lives, and that's the fruit of the inner world work.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, inner work.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_03: I need water.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, please take a moment.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: That was incredible.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you mentioned this idea of drama, and I know that drama is something you use a lot in your work, and I've heard you say this idea of like the drama triangle before.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: Do you mind elaborating a bit more on like what that means?
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, it's uh you can see this um model, you know.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, for our minds to grab things, we need to create models.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a map.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_03: Another quote, the map is not the territory.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_03: We cannot explain everything, we need to create models so we can grab stuff.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_03: So there was this, I think he was a psychologist or um a person with the last name of Cartman, and he came with this idea of the drama triangle.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it was, I think, in the 60s, 1960s.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_03: And we can he came with this um idea that there are mainly three players in a relationship or a situation that drains our energy, and that's where drama comes from, right?
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's where something doesn't go.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_03: Think about comedy.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_03: No, the Greek arts.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_03: Comedy, we have ha ha ha, right?
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_03: Everything's fun, we feel energized, drama is like so it with the drama triangle, we have three three players.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_03: One, I would say it's the central and it's a lot ingrained in the kind of mindset that I hear with many leaders is that there's a victim.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_03: We become victims.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes, as mentioned before, we become victims of our companies, we become victims of our clients.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_03: No, this client, oh, he was a pain in the ass.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, this client, he was wonderful.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_03: I will invite him to my podcast.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but okay, victims.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_03: So in victimhood, we have this energy of sadness.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_03: No, we are gloomy, we are down, oh, life happens to me, you know.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_03: No matter what I do, I'm so sad.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_03: And please, guys, I'm trying to be playful here, okay?
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_03: I have always, as well, in many parts of my life, been a freaking victim, especially when my mother had brain cancer and my father abandoned us.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_03: So, of course, most of the conversations with my environment with the people around me were about that.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_03: So, what did I want it?
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_03: I wanted comfort, right?
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_03: I wanted people to really solve things for me.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_03: So I felt disempowered.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_03: Now, for a victim to be in this drama triangle, it needs two other role players.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_03: One of them, you could call it the resolver or the hero, right?
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_03: So if I am down, if I am a victim, who do I need?
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_03: I need somebody to come and try to serve me, to sort my problems for me.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_03: And that person would call be called, let's say, the resolver or the hero.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, think of most uh comic and movies and all that.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_03: There's always the victim, there's the hero, the resolver.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_03: And the resolver has this ability of showing that everything is okay, he or she is perfect, and he or she will serve you.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_03: Think about the anatomy number two.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I will provide, you know, I'm there for you, you know.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_03: So, and there's always somebody in this triangle that is the persecutor, the villain, the one that is making things bad.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_03: In many stages in my life, my villain was my mother's cancer, or the villain was my father who abandoned my brothers and I, you know, and now my father passed away.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_03: So, guess what?
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_03: He passed away last year.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_03: Now you know what triggers my midlife as well.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_03: Crisis again, the victim.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, if we don't move beyond this triangle, we don't grow up.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_03: We are not going to change the victimhood, or also think about when you were an entrepreneur, or you are still an entrepreneur, or you have your company.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes, oh, my team, they are morons.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: I need to do everything for them.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_03: Who's speaking now?
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_03: In a way, the victim.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because, friends, if you are the entrepreneur, you are the founder, who hired those morons?
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_03: You did.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, so okay, the victim, but sometimes we also create dynamics in which we are the resolvers for everything on the team.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_03: So people are always poking on us for solutions because we want to be the Resolver and I or the heroes.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_03: I really love that.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_03: No, when I was there, so I was an entrepreneur, so I had about 14 people around me, da-da-da.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to be the smart guy providing solutions for everybody.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: But then what happens?
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_03: The team doesn't grow, the team does not develop by themselves if there is a lot of resolution from the entrepreneur or the founder.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_03: But also the founder can become the villain or the persecutor.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_03: And that happened to me.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: I tended to oscillate with my sensitivity.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't want it to go deep into uncomfortable conversations because I didn't want it to feel that intensity in my body.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_03: So sometimes when I noticed that something was not okay, I you have you heard of fight, flight, or freeze?
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_03: So I tended to fly, but I came back when I noticed that things were not there to be solute in resolution, and I became the villain.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_03: I was super tough.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, okay, what's this?
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I was blaming.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_03: So this drama triangle happens, and sometimes I have um something that I have understood throughout and thinking about it uh for a while because I have taught this in a business school as well, um with some other coaches, and it has to do that sometimes there doesn't need to be three people, sometimes we play the same three roles, and we can change in the same day.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say that.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, uh I feel like if um if I'm thinking of my own situation, I'm just like, yeah, I'm the victim, and then I'm the one that saves myself, and then I'm the villain, I'm the one playing all three of these things right here.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm glad that you brought that up.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's kind of like thinking about the inner critic sometimes, right?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like turning up the dial up or turning it down or whatever.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's nice to kind of personify these things to be able to like separate them from like your internal world and kind of pull them out and like look at them, kind of similar to like the IFS system, like internal family systems, where it's kind of like pulling these things out and kind of personifying them so you can like take them apart.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I love how you keep coming back to like asking better questions.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we overlook the power of asking questions.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: We overlook the fact that like we can change perspective and like like the quote that you guys were saying of like you can't solve a problem with the same mind that created it, but how do you get to the next level of the mind so that you're not stuck at that same level?
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's usually through curiosity.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: And what is curiosity?
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's essentially asking better questions.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so this is like this episode is really good.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like, Ramon, I feel like you took me to church a little bit.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like everything that you were saying is like exactly what I needed to hear.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: And like I've never heard the difference between I took a note, uh, instinct, intuition, and inspiration.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: That is wildly fucking helpful.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why more people aren't talking about that.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like that helps differentiate different things in terms of like living on this physical planet, and then like also bringing in that spirituality and all of that.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it just wraps up so many things so we can see them in a different perspective.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know that we're we're running out of time here, but I feel like I could listen to you talk all day about everything.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like the way that you explain things, the way that you tie things together.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_01: I know that you were like trying to apologize for like the metaphors, but like the metaphors are what makes it so much better.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really grateful that you agreed to come on the podcast.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really grateful that you explain things the way that you do.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_01: And like the your message is just like really inspiring and really practical while also bringing down like that more ethereal energetic.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so I know that our listeners are going to get so much out of this.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to re-listen to it.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I do we we do have one more question on the podcast that we ask every single person.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: What's been sparking your curiosity lately?
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um let's say that what's happening, what has happened to me in the past month is that I moved out of my house where I were the previous house where I have been living for eight years with my family, you know.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and now I am in this flat by myself.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_03: And it gives me a really massive opportunity to restart and to have everything boxed down and then boxed out, right?
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I have been really taking the time intentionally to see, okay, this book, what's feeding?
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Is it feeding just my mental mind of if it's connected to who I want to be or what I want to achieve?
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I have been doing that with books, with clothes, I'm still working, okay, but also with paper.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_03: And what what right now uh what I am curious about is that with this business is hard concept, we even developed a TED Talk that I will need to submit sometime, but it's designed.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_03: But I really wish to to frame or to create this model where there are like three of these levels, as you're saying, instinct, intuition, and inspiration.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_03: The part is that most businesses are still triggered under survival mode.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_03: So that's one really lame low energy level.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_03: The second aspect has to do with the energetics or this part of intuition, where it has to do with the artistic part where our intuition flows.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_03: And the third one is the inspiration, where we are we really realize that we are part of a larger system, even spiritual interconnectedness, interdependency.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm framing most of my papers and my notes in these three levels.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_03: So, how can I thread them?
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_03: This is something that is in the in the working right now.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's uh a little bit messy, but now I can name it, I can explain it, but there's way more to that, and um I think this is something that I'm really curious about.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, how can I?
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_03: I have been in a way intentionally keeping information, articles, magazines, tons of paper, and I'm right now like taking the time not to produce anything, but to read-read it and to see what's happening.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_03: So I am curious about what's going to be moving around.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm intentionally not reading.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_03: This is something interesting.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not getting external information other than the information that I have already collected.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_03: So I am ruminating.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_03: This has to do with something that um that I like to do is sparkle creativity and new ideas as well as new beings.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_03: How who do you want to become?
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_03: This is create a creative art act.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm like bringing this idea so I can put it on the dish on the washing machine.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_03: And see what's coming.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's a little bit of what I'm curious about right now.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm clueless what's going to come, but I'm extremely happy with with the process.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_02: Man, Ramon, I can't thank you enough for coming on today.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, your approach is everything that uh just sharing your story and sharing these quotes.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just so grateful.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this is the message that we wanted to get out into the world, how we bring the inner work with the outer work together.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: This episode was so practical.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think we did a good job kind of going back and forth between the high and the reality.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: So you helped Mariah and I both pull a lot of dots together, and we are really grateful for you coming with us today.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think we're gonna close this podcast down for our listeners.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_01: We just um uh really quick.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Ramon, will you just let people know where they can find and connect with you?
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I know that you have an ebook about creativity.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: And are you accepting clients for coaching?
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: If so, how can people learn more about that?
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like your approach is really going to resonate with people.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thanks to my new SEO strategy, they can find me all over Google.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Damn right.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they will.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_03: On founder, CEO.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'm getting I'm having new clients.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, mostly my ideal clients are entrepreneurs that already have a company.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_03: They have like really uh a team, 12 to 20 people, you know, there's a business, uh, business model, a product market fit, you know, it's like on these real problems that um that on the coaching side I have some freebies.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_03: I think they will paste the the URL.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_03: But for me, it's my website, ramonestrada.t.com, and in all social media, it's at Ramon Strada.t.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_03: And please feel free to contact me, to follow me.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_03: Honestly, I think um one of my reasons I'm in this world is to serve to serve people that are having a dark moment.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I think there's way more the light is not outside, it's within each one of us.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's I I'm sure about it.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there's a light now behind me, but that's just another metaphor.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_02: What a press to end.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you so much, Ramon.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_02: I will feed your ego a little bit and tell you that Mariah said you were one of the best clients she's ever had.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_02: So you are a blessing to us in many ways, and we're grateful for your time today.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: And friends, I want you guys to remember you have the power to create whatever the hell you want.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Follow the nudge, ask questions, and let curiosity guide the way.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll see you in the next episode.