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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond its curling crew.
- 0:06S1: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
- 0:11S1: impossible and live. As you never imagined delivering the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and Crew.
- 0:49S5: Is it okay for us to continue on this Christmas theme?
- 0:54S3: Uh, it's November, so yes, all things go. When it
- 0:57S3: comes to Christmas.
- 0:58S2: Christmas wish. Have you heard about it? We just started
- 1:02S2: talking about it yesterday. I want to make sure that
- 1:05S2: you have the opportunity to grant a wish this Christmas.
- 1:09S2: There's something really, really nice when the old saying of that,
- 1:13S2: it's more blessed to give than to receive.
- 1:16S3: Mhm.
- 1:17S2: When you have gotten something for someone. Yes. I'm not
- 1:23S2: a I wouldn't say that like I'm a great gift giver. I,
- 1:27S2: I try to give gifts, but like, I'm usually scrambling.
- 1:32S3: Okay. For ideas.
- 1:33S2: For ideas, particularly for the people in my life who,
- 1:36S2: who don't like need much.
- 1:39S3: Sure. I get.
- 1:40S2: That. So I'm like, ah, do I give them a,
- 1:42S2: you know, do I give them a coffee mug? Do
- 1:43S2: I give them a Starbucks gift card? Do I, you know?
- 1:46S2: But when you nail a gift, when you are like
- 1:49S2: this gift, I can't wait to. Have you ever.
- 1:52S3: Had nothing better than.
- 1:53S2: They've ever given one of those gifts that you're like,
- 1:55S2: I can't wait to give this one.
- 1:56S3: Yes, me and my wife basically say this to each
- 1:59S3: other on like, all of our birthdays, every single year
- 2:02S3: we go, oh, I can't wait for your birthday this year. Oh,
- 2:04S3: you're going to be so excited. So we do that
- 2:06S3: to each other because it is just so fun to
- 2:09S3: give each other gifts. When you feel like you've nailed it.
- 2:11S2: When you feel like you've nailed it and it's been like,
- 2:13S2: I know that they, they don't realize that I remember
- 2:16S2: that they said that they loved this thing. And I
- 2:18S2: made a note of it. Super di is amazing at this.
- 2:21S3: Oh my goodness, she'll hold on to something that you
- 2:23S3: said two years ago.
- 2:24S2: I know.
- 2:24S3: To give you the perfect gift this.
- 2:26S2: Year.
- 2:27S3: It's incredible.
- 2:28S2: You know, I'd say the last gift that I felt
- 2:30S2: that I really, really felt excited to give my sister,
- 2:35S2: she is a super proud dog owner. So she has
- 2:40S2: this little Chihuahua who is he's getting up there. I mean, he's,
- 2:46S2: I'd say 17 or 18.
- 2:48S3: Sure. That's up there. Her dog is.
- 2:51S2: So Chihuahuas as a breed are are quirky. Yes, they
- 2:56S2: really are. And he is Mr. Cork. I mean, his
- 3:01S2: name is Jack. And Jack has just a very, very
- 3:04S2: interesting personality. And so he's he Chihuahuas tend to gravitate
- 3:09S2: toward one person and one person only. Okay. So they're
- 3:12S2: very protective. Sure. So he gets really protective of her
- 3:16S2: and his little Chihuahua self. You know, he.
- 3:18S3: He gets his little Chihuahua.
- 3:19S2: Shakes if he.
- 3:20S3: Gets too close.
- 3:20S2: In his mind, he's a Great Dane.
- 3:22S3: Yeah, yeah.
- 3:23S2: So I got her for her birthday. Um, this cool
- 3:27S2: retro concert T.
- 3:30S3: Okay.
- 3:30S2: With his picture on it. And his picture is huge.
- 3:34S2: And it's like, it looks like a concert t but
- 3:38S2: and and she was so delighted. And she wears the
- 3:41S2: shirt with such great, proud pride to show off her
- 3:45S2: little Chichi. If you have a Chihuahua, I'd love to
- 3:48S2: hear from you. Is it? Are all of them as quirky? And, um,
- 3:52S2: it's like they need their own emotional support animal sometimes.
- 3:55S3: Yes they do. Absolutely.
- 3:57S2: But I digress. There's something really fun about being able
- 4:00S2: to give a gift that you know, is really, really
- 4:03S2: going to mean something to someone. And so we want
- 4:05S2: to help you do that. This Christmas season, we're going
- 4:08S2: to be granting five wishes. So I want you to
- 4:11S2: dream up something that you would love to be able
- 4:14S2: to do for someone in your life. Could be a
- 4:15S2: friend from church, could be a neighbor. We heard from
- 4:18S2: someone yesterday who had someone in mind who they really,
- 4:22S2: really needed an appliance. I'll leave it, general, in case
- 4:26S2: this ends up being one that gets that wins. They
- 4:29S2: needed an appliance or something in their house fixed. It
- 4:31S2: had been broken for some time, and so they were
- 4:34S2: having to do some really inconvenient workarounds and like, man,
- 4:39S2: if I could just get this fixed for this person,
- 4:42S2: it would really, really bless them. So that's what we're
- 4:44S2: thinking of. Maybe you want to make some sort of
- 4:46S2: memory for a family, a special thing that concert tickets
- 4:50S2: for them to go to and celebrate. Maybe you want
- 4:53S2: to send someone on a little trip, a little staycation
- 4:56S2: or a vacation. There's a $2,000 limit on this, so there's,
- 5:00S2: there's some room to really dream here. So if you
- 5:02S2: have a Christmas wish that you would love to grant
- 5:05S2: for someone else in your life, tell us about it.
- 5:08S2: Tell us the story, submit it, just text wish to
- 5:11S2: 805 557898. That one word wish to 805 557898. Click
- 5:19S2: on the link. You'll get all the details. Read it
- 5:22S2: through what's excluded. We can't pay anyone's rent. We can't
- 5:25S2: pay off a debt. But there are many, many ideas
- 5:29S2: that you can come up with.
- 5:31S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and Crew.
- 5:36S2: Well, on this Veterans Day, I really want to hear
- 5:39S2: from you. If you're a veteran, you've served in any
- 5:42S2: capacity in the military. How have you seen God's hand
- 5:45S2: at work in that? Could have been during your time
- 5:48S2: of service, could have been as you were readjusting. How
- 5:50S2: have you seen the hand of God at work during
- 5:54S2: your time of service. 805 5578, 98, 805 five, five, 78, 98.
- 6:03S2: Let's go to Gary. First time caller calling in from
- 6:05S2: Johnson City, Tennessee. Gary, tell me, how have you seen
- 6:08S2: God's hand at work during your service?
- 6:12S6: Uh, yes. Thanks for taking my call. Uh, well, first,
- 6:16S6: I served in the Navy Naval Security Group from October
- 6:20S6: 1963 to May of 67. I guess the first blessing,
- 6:24S6: I was actually going to go in the Army, but
- 6:26S6: I went to the recruiting station where all the officers were.
- 6:30S6: And the Army recruiter, whom I knew was not in.
- 6:33S6: So I just went on back to the Navy. So
- 6:35S6: that was a blessing because this was during the height
- 6:38S6: of the Vietnam War, was heating up. But anyway, I
- 6:41S6: went to San Diego for my boot camp and I
- 6:44S6: learned about the navigator ministry there. And, uh, then I
- 6:49S6: was stationed in The Pensacola for Florida for a school
- 6:54S6: and met another Navy guy that, uh, near the Navy ministry.
- 6:58S6: And we did some Bible studies together. Then I was
- 7:01S6: sent to Japan for my, uh, actual duty near Yokohama
- 7:07S6: area over there. And, uh, about a month later, uh,
- 7:11S6: I'd gone to chapel one Sunday and met, uh, a
- 7:16S6: guy that became one of my best friends. And he said, hey,
- 7:19S6: did you know the navigators have a they run a
- 7:21S6: Christian service center in Yokosuka, Japan. So. So I got
- 7:25S6: plugged into the navigator ministry and we ministered to the,
- 7:28S6: our fellow um, shipmates and saw many guys come to
- 7:32S6: know the Lord. And in fact, in May of 67,
- 7:35S6: I separated and stayed an extra year working with the
- 7:39S6: navigator ministry there through the Christian Service Center. So it's
- 7:42S6: just like the Lord was keeping me in touch with
- 7:46S6: the navigator ministry at each place where I was stationed.
- 7:50S2: Mhm. Gary, thank you so much. First time caller from
- 7:52S2: Johnson City, Tennessee. Thank you for your service. And thank
- 7:56S2: you for sharing your story with us this morning. If
- 7:58S2: you are a veteran, would you tell us your story?
- 8:01S2: How have you seen God's hand at work during your
- 8:04S2: time of service? 800 555 7898 let's hear from you
- 8:09S2: this morning.
- 8:11S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
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- 8:17S2: Honoring our veterans today. Dave from Huntley, Illinois. Dave, tell us,
- 8:21S2: how have you seen God's hand at work during your
- 8:23S2: time of service?
- 8:26S7: When I was in Vietnam, I was in the infantry.
- 8:29S7: We were out in the bush on my helmet. I
- 8:31S7: had written God is my point man and had the
- 8:34S7: 23rd Psalms written on my helmet. Uh. Now I was drafted,
- 8:40S7: so we didn't get a whole lot of training before
- 8:42S7: they sent us to Vietnam. And I did not do
- 8:44S7: well in math class. Uh, walking point needed to read
- 8:48S7: a map. I still couldn't read it, but we were
- 8:51S7: never lost and God was with us the whole time.
- 8:54S7: There were many instances where if he wasn't there, I
- 8:58S7: wouldn't be here.
- 8:59S2: Yeah. Dave, thank you so much. I appreciate your call
- 9:02S2: this morning and thank you so much for your service.
- 9:04S2: What about you? If you're a veteran, I would love
- 9:07S2: to hear from you this morning. And don't you say
- 9:08S2: for a second, I don't know if I've got a
- 9:11S2: story worth telling. You do? How have you seen God's
- 9:13S2: hand at work during your time in the military? 805, 55, 78, 98.
- 9:20S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 9:23S2: And the goodness of God can be seen even through
- 9:26S2: difficult times, through trials, asking you to reflect this morning,
- 9:30S2: on this Veterans Day, if you are a veteran, if
- 9:32S2: you have served in any capacity asking you how have
- 9:36S2: you seen God's hand at work during your time in
- 9:39S2: the military? 805, 55, 78, 98. Want to go to
- 9:44S2: Russ calling in this morning from Elmhurst, Illinois. Russ, how
- 9:47S2: have you seen God's hand at work?
- 9:50S8: Well, when I was in Vietnam, I was an infantry
- 9:54S8: platoon sergeant doing search and destroy. And at night we
- 9:58S8: would go out on ambushes, and I was out with
- 10:00S8: nine men on ambush. We had. We were set up
- 10:03S8: along a thicket with a big open field across from us.
- 10:07S8: About 10:00 at night we heard some noise. I turned
- 10:09S8: on my starlight scope, and it was covered with Viet Cong.
- 10:13S8: I called in the 81mm mortars and had a ring
- 10:16S8: of mortars dropped around me from 10:00 at night till
- 10:20S8: 6:00 in the morning. And there was a lot of
- 10:22S8: prayer went up that night, but I. The Lord preserved us.
- 10:27S2: Russ, thank you so much for your service and thank
- 10:30S2: you for calling in this morning from right here in Illinois.
- 10:33S2: Let's go to Chris calling in West Palm Beach, Florida. Chris.
- 10:36S2: Go ahead. How have you seen God's hand at work
- 10:39S2: during your time in the military?
- 10:42S9: Yes, I was in red force in the Air Force,
- 10:46S9: just the engineers. And, uh, I saw Christians in Korea,
- 10:53S9: in Japan, in, uh, England, Germany, and Egypt. And you,
- 11:02S9: you could see the difference between Christians who were Christians
- 11:09S9: and people who were just going to church.
- 11:12S2: Mhm.
- 11:13S9: And that definitely drew me closer to Jesus.
- 11:17S2: Wow. Chris. I love that observation. What's what what was
- 11:21S2: the thing that stood out to you that that made
- 11:24S2: you see that there was a difference between genuine faith
- 11:28S2: in Christ and just doing the cultural Christianity thing?
- 11:33S9: Yeah. You know, people would say, yeah, I'm, I'm a Christian.
- 11:37S9: And then you would see the behaviors and, uh.
- 11:42S2: Sure.
- 11:44S9: And, uh, so what came out of his mouth wasn't
- 11:49S9: exactly edifying.
- 11:51S2: Yeah. The fruit. Right, Chris? Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much, Chris.
- 11:57S2: Thank you for your service. West Palm Beach, Florida. Grateful
- 12:00S2: for you. Jonathan. First time caller from Chicago. Jonathan, how
- 12:04S2: have you seen God's hand at work during your time
- 12:06S2: in the military?
- 12:08S10: Uh, I had the privilege of serving in the Mideast, uh,
- 12:11S10: in the 1980s. And I, uh, I read the Bible
- 12:16S10: for the first time in my life. And I, uh,
- 12:19S10: I read, uh, the Old Testament. And then I got
- 12:23S10: to John 146 and Jesus says, I am the way,
- 12:27S10: the truth, and the life. No man comes to the
- 12:30S10: father except through me. I read that, and I understood
- 12:34S10: for the first time in my life that I needed Jesus.
- 12:37S10: And I cried out to him that very moment. And, uh, I,
- 12:43S10: I believed in Jesus.
- 12:44S2: Wow. Jonathan. That's powerful. So John 146 Jesus said to him,
- 12:49S2: I am the way and the truth and the life.
- 12:51S2: No one comes to the father except through me. You'd
- 12:54S2: never read that before, huh?
- 12:56S10: I never had no.
- 12:57S2: Wow. Unbelievable. Thank you so much for your service. Thank
- 13:01S2: you for your call this morning.
- 13:03S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
- 13:07S1: and crew.
- 13:09S2: I want to go back to Psalm 23 as we
- 13:13S2: got a little short on time there, but I want
- 13:16S2: to pick up where we left off. And, you know,
- 13:19S2: if you're a parent, Jonathan, you've got now two little girls.
- 13:22S3: I.
- 13:22S2: Do. You're in the early stages of newborn hood and toddlerhood.
- 13:28S3: Boy, I need Psalm 23.
- 13:32S2: I want you to think about when you go on
- 13:35S2: an outing with your little girls. Yeah. Take them to
- 13:40S2: the park, maybe take them to a special museum or something. Sure.
- 13:45S2: Your eyes are on your kids, right?
- 13:47S3: Yeah. The whole time.
- 13:49S2: As a parent, there are things that you do for
- 13:53S2: your children that you only do for your children.
- 13:56S3: Yeah, absolutely.
- 13:57S2: And it's not that you don't care about the rest
- 13:59S2: of the children in the world.
- 14:01S3: Sure.
- 14:02S2: But the ones that belong to you have your eye.
- 14:08S2: I was listening to a podcast the other day, and
- 14:10S2: it was one of the things they were talking about
- 14:12S2: was common grace. And so to a certain degree, we
- 14:17S2: all experience the common grace of God.
- 14:20S3: Sure. Absolutely.
- 14:22S2: We experience the sunshine.
- 14:24S3: Mhm.
- 14:25S2: We experience the rain that falls.
- 14:28S3: The food that's provided for us. Yeah. The the money
- 14:31S3: from a nice job.
- 14:32S2: There's a common grace that is afforded to all of us.
- 14:35S2: That God allows us to live in his created world
- 14:39S2: and Experience. Yeah, there's hardship for sure, but he allows
- 14:43S2: us to experience some really good things. That's true for everybody, yes.
- 14:49S2: But when you look at Psalm 23, it starts with,
- 14:52S2: the Lord is my shepherd. There's a belonging that has
- 14:58S2: to happen if we want to experience the fullness of
- 15:01S2: the grace of God, the fullness of the shepherding of God.
- 15:07S2: That doesn't doesn't happen for every person just because they
- 15:11S2: live on this planet. Yeah. Okay. And so we, we
- 15:15S2: make this distinction a lot because it's a very common
- 15:18S2: misconception that everyone's a child of God, that we all
- 15:23S2: belong to him in the sense that he's all of
- 15:25S2: our father. And it's just not true biblically. It's not
- 15:30S2: until you turn to Jesus, repent, have your sins forgiven,
- 15:37S2: and are made In right standing with God. That's when
- 15:41S2: he becomes your father. That's when he becomes your shepherd,
- 15:45S2: and that's when his eye is on you in a
- 15:49S2: special way. You experience his special grace, his special provision,
- 15:54S2: his care. In addition to all the other privileges that
- 15:57S2: come along with being a child of God.
- 15:59S3: Yeah, I think about that passage. John 844. Jesus is
- 16:03S3: talking to some Pharisees and and, you know, they're they're
- 16:07S3: harkening back to, well, Abraham is our father. We're all set.
- 16:10S3: We're all good to go. And he says, you belong
- 16:12S3: to your father, the devil. That is serious in terms
- 16:17S3: of accusations. And it's accurate. Yeah. It's. If your father
- 16:21S3: is not God, your father is the devil. Because we're
- 16:25S3: born with our backs to God. And that's the reality
- 16:27S3: that all of us have. And I think along that
- 16:29S3: kind of parent analogy that you said, you know, I'd,
- 16:32S3: I'd do things for my kids that I don't do
- 16:34S3: for other kids. Yeah. You know, if it, if a
- 16:36S3: kid just walked up to my house and he said,
- 16:38S3: I'm ready for dinner. I'd probably be like, where are
- 16:43S3: your parents? Let's get you back home to your parents.
- 16:47S2: Because you belong to someone.
- 16:48S3: Because you belong to someone else. It's not me. And
- 16:52S3: you take that and you, you, you apply it to
- 16:56S3: the end. When we all go somewhere. Yeah. Walk up
- 17:01S3: to Jesus and say, I'm ready for dinner. And he says,
- 17:04S3: I'm not. I'm not yours. Let me get you back
- 17:08S3: to who's yours. And that would be the devil. And
- 17:10S3: that would be no good.
- 17:11S2: A sobering thought. Yeah. And so I don't want to
- 17:13S2: miss this opportunity. And it's, it's a, it's a simple thing,
- 17:19S2: but it's vastly important. It's the most important thing in
- 17:23S2: your life where you stand with God. There's nothing else
- 17:27S2: that matters more. And so maybe you've heard about heaven
- 17:31S2: and hell. Maybe you've wrestled with the guilt that you
- 17:36S2: feel sometimes when you know you've done something wrong. Did
- 17:39S2: you know that you can be made right with God?
- 17:43S2: You can be in right standing. You can stand in
- 17:46S2: the righteousness of Jesus Christ because of what he did
- 17:49S2: on the cross, and all the privileges that come with
- 17:52S2: it are available to you, including being able to say, God,
- 17:56S2: you're my shepherd. Because of you I lack nothing. You
- 18:02S2: lead me beside still waters. This is a comforting psalm.
- 18:06S2: The words are beautiful. Psalm 23. But you don't own
- 18:10S2: it until you belong to him.
- 18:12S3: Very true.
- 18:13S2: So I want to invite you today to Wednesday morning.
- 18:16S2: Maybe you hadn't planned on doing this, but by the
- 18:18S2: grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit,
- 18:21S2: this is making sense to you. And you realize I
- 18:23S2: don't belong to him. I'm not God's kid. And if
- 18:26S2: I'm not God's kid, that means I'm a child of
- 18:29S2: the devil. I'm a belong to Satan. I don't say
- 18:34S2: that to as as a fear tactic, but simply because
- 18:37S2: that's what the Bible says is true. So how do
- 18:40S2: you become a child of God? It's not some special
- 18:43S2: club that you got to sign up and there's a
- 18:46S2: waiting list. And then he looks to see. Do you
- 18:49S2: meet the requirements? Are you have you lived a good
- 18:52S2: enough life to be called? It's actually the opposite. If
- 18:56S2: you are at a place where you say, I am
- 18:58S2: a sinner, I need a savior, I know that there's
- 19:01S2: nothing good in me, then you're actually perfectly positioned because
- 19:05S2: that's what it takes. It takes coming to the end
- 19:07S2: of anything that you have to offer, forsaking all of
- 19:10S2: that and saying it's you. I bring nothing to the table.
- 19:15S2: But myself, I just bring me broken, messed up, messy past,
- 19:22S2: checkered past. But God, would you make me one of
- 19:28S2: your kids? You confess that you're a sinner. You repent,
- 19:33S2: which means you do that 180 degree. Turn the direction
- 19:37S2: you're going in. Now turn. You're following him now. And
- 19:41S2: if that's you, have that honest conversation with God. There's
- 19:45S2: no magic set of words to say. No. No special
- 19:49S2: prayer to pray. But if the cry of your heart
- 19:52S2: this morning is, I acknowledge for the first time that
- 19:55S2: I am a sinner. There is nothing good in me
- 19:58S2: but God. I want to be one of your kids.
- 20:01S2: So I confess and repent. And today I say I
- 20:06S2: belong to you. Jonathan, would you pray? Whether it's maybe
- 20:09S2: it's just one person this morning, would you pray?
- 20:12S3: Absolutely. Father God, I lift up these people who are
- 20:20S3: about to be brothers and sisters in Christ because they
- 20:23S3: recognize their need for you. God, I'm going to pray
- 20:29S3: as if I'm going to lead the prayer as if
- 20:31S3: I am in that group right now and just follow
- 20:34S3: along with me. God, I recognize that I am not yours.
- 20:40S3: I want to be yours because I recognize that's the
- 20:43S3: most important thing in the universe. My sin keeps me
- 20:48S3: from you. I am a sinner and I have no
- 20:51S3: right to stand before you. But I believe in what
- 20:55S3: you've done in sending your son to live the life
- 21:00S3: I couldn't live and pay. The price I couldn't pay
- 21:02S3: through his death on the cross. I believe that he
- 21:05S3: was raised again from the dead. And I want to
- 21:09S3: follow you. I dedicate myself to you. I cast off
- 21:13S3: all other things and keep my eyes on you. Thank
- 21:18S3: you for welcoming me into your family. You promise? You have.
- 21:22S3: And I trust you for that. In Jesus name. Amen.
- 21:26S2: Amen. If that's you, I want you to text the
- 21:29S2: word new to 805 557898. Just one little word. NEW
- 21:36S2: text new to 805 557898. New to 805 557898. Just
- 21:46S2: got something we want to send you. It's going to
- 21:48S2: give you some practical next steps. Welcome to the family
- 21:51S2: of God.
- 21:52S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
- 21:55S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
- 22:00S1: curl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 22:02S11: Well, you hear these different stories about guys marooned at
- 22:07S11: sea for 28 days or 300 days and surviving. Who
- 22:12S11: knows what. Then you hear these stories of people that
- 22:15S11: are taking captive, in this case by al Qaeda, not friends.
- 22:22S11: Death must have felt certain, and he lived to tell
- 22:26S11: about it. Boy, have we got a guest with us today. Ali.
- 22:29S2: His name is Jeff Woodke. He's the author of a book,
- 22:32S2: All the Way Home The Incredible True Story of an
- 22:34S2: American Aid Workers Harrowing seven years as an al Qaeda hostage.
- 22:39S2: In 2016, he was taken hostage by terrorists linked to
- 22:42S2: al Qaeda and held for six and a half years
- 22:44S2: in northern Mali. Jeff, just tell us first, take us
- 22:49S2: back to that night in Niger when you were abducted.
- 22:52S2: What do you remember clearly most clearly about those first hours?
- 22:59S12: I remember every second of those first hours. Um, yeah.
- 23:03S12: I came home from the last day of kind of
- 23:06S12: a funeral celebration. Um, it was dark. It was at night.
- 23:11S12: There was no electricity. There were no lights, nothing. And
- 23:14S12: I went into my compound in a little town up
- 23:17S12: on the edge of the desert in Niger. And armed men,
- 23:23S12: I found out later they were al Qaeda. They they
- 23:26S12: attacked and they killed two soldiers that were guarding me
- 23:30S12: or shot one wounded, one killed the other, and they
- 23:34S12: killed my civilian night guard. And then they took me
- 23:37S12: off in their pickup after beating the stuffing out of
- 23:40S12: me with rifle butts and fists and heads and everything else.
- 23:43S12: And that was it.
- 23:45S11: So, Jeff, when did you understand and learn what their
- 23:50S11: motivation was? Why they grabbed you, what their intentions were
- 23:55S11: in this first few hours, it must have just been
- 23:59S11: head spinning. Obviously, you're getting brutalized. Beat up. When did
- 24:02S11: things calm down enough where you had a sense of
- 24:05S11: this is what their objective is? And what was it?
- 24:08S12: Um, yeah, it took a couple of days, actually, because
- 24:11S12: I didn't know what was going to happen. I didn't
- 24:13S12: know if they would just take me off site to
- 24:16S12: kill me or do a video or whatever. I had
- 24:18S12: no clue. Um, initially I thought I was going to
- 24:21S12: be shot. That's why I ran. And then they started
- 24:24S12: with rifle butts. But two days later, I suppose. Two
- 24:29S12: nights later, I actually got to sleep. And it was
- 24:33S12: at that point in time that I figured that they
- 24:35S12: weren't looking to kill me directly. I still didn't know
- 24:38S12: what they wanted. I didn't find out what they wanted
- 24:40S12: for months.
- 24:41S11: Give us a little bit of a picture of what
- 24:45S11: they wanted, what their ultimate aim was for you. And
- 24:50S11: when did you know that this might be a longer
- 24:53S11: haul than a day or two, or a week, or
- 24:56S11: even a month?
- 24:57S12: Um, it took about a couple of months before I
- 25:01S12: realized that, yeah, this wasn't going to end anytime soon.
- 25:04S12: They had a lot of search drones out at one place,
- 25:07S12: and I had to be moved in the middle of
- 25:09S12: the night. And I asked the guy who was kind
- 25:12S12: of the leader of that team that moved me, how
- 25:14S12: are my negotiations? And he said, what negotiations? You know,
- 25:18S12: we haven't even started yet. And that was like two
- 25:21S12: months in. And I also knew that the US at
- 25:26S12: least said they didn't negotiate with terrorists, so I didn't
- 25:30S12: expect to get out. I really didn't at that point.
- 25:34S2: How did you survive? Just the the isolation, the fear,
- 25:38S2: the trauma of it all. How did you survive day
- 25:41S2: to day?
- 25:42S12: Um, yeah, it's kind of boring, actually, because you're just
- 25:45S12: sitting there under a tree at night. You're in chains.
- 25:49S11: There's. Man.
- 25:51S12: There's not much to do. Eventually I started writing books
- 25:54S12: in my head. Um, at first I would, like, do
- 25:58S12: math and do design things just to keep my mind active.
- 26:02S12: You have to keep your mind active. If they would
- 26:05S12: let me walk, I would. But I my leg was bad.
- 26:08S12: I couldn't do as much as I wanted physically and
- 26:12S12: also not hating it was a big deal. Just, you know,
- 26:17S12: the compulsion to give in to that anger and let
- 26:19S12: it turn into rage that would have killed me very quickly.
- 26:24S12: So you have to act in the opposite spirit.
- 26:28S2: What role did your faith play in this harrowing six
- 26:33S2: and a half years? You. I know that you had
- 26:36S2: worked as an aid worker, as a missionary in this
- 26:39S2: area of West Africa. How did your faith play out
- 26:44S2: during this time of uncertainty and terror?
- 26:48S12: Uh, play out is a good term. It was very
- 26:51S12: strong at first. Obviously going in, you figure God's going
- 26:54S12: to get you out, like in in a heartbeat and
- 26:57S12: you pray. I was praying like eight hours a day
- 27:00S12: over the years, faith, um, dwindled because it was kind
- 27:05S12: of connected in with hope. And once the hope was gone,
- 27:10S12: faith had a hard time hanging in there. But at
- 27:13S12: the very end, I realized I still loved my family.
- 27:17S12: I was praying for them, I tried not, I tried
- 27:19S12: to quit praying. I said, Where is God? I don't.
- 27:22S12: but I couldn't. And I realized I loved God. I
- 27:25S12: love my family. I was forgiving my captors, so I
- 27:28S12: loved them. So, um, love gave room for faith to
- 27:33S12: to remain. And love got me through.
- 27:36S11: What are the lessons you learned being held captive by
- 27:39S11: Al Qaeda over those years that you otherwise would maybe
- 27:44S11: never have learned that you want other people to know
- 27:48S11: for certain?
- 27:49S12: Um, judgment belongs to the Lord. We're not supposed to exclude.
- 27:54S12: We're not supposed to. Um. See, the terrorists are terribly xenophobic,
- 28:01S12: and they hated everyone. And unless you conformed exactly to
- 28:05S12: their vision of what life was supposed to and faith
- 28:09S12: was supposed to be about, then you were considered the enemy.
- 28:13S12: And I gave up at that point. Hating people and
- 28:17S12: judging people and wanting to exclude them. God loves everyone
- 28:22S12: and everyone has a chance for that love to be
- 28:25S12: in their lives.
- 28:27S11: I think everybody wants to know, how in the world
- 28:28S11: did you get free, brother? How did you get free?
- 28:31S12: Yeah. Freedom is something that you don't, you don't get
- 28:35S12: just because you walk out of being a hostage. Freedom
- 28:38S12: comes with time. It comes with healing. It comes with
- 28:40S12: an acceptance of the changes that you've gone through. Um,
- 28:45S12: I was negotiated out, I was ransomed. That's how that worked.
- 28:49S11: Did you forge any kind of a friendship with any
- 28:53S11: of your captors to the point where if you saw
- 28:56S11: them again, it might not be adversarial? Or was it
- 29:01S11: sheer adversity from beginning to end all those years?
- 29:04S12: Um, I don't, I, yeah, I didn't form friendships with anyone,
- 29:10S12: but I wouldn't have a problem sitting down with any
- 29:13S12: one of them and having a cup of tea or
- 29:15S12: a cup of coffee. Wow. Um, I'm to the point
- 29:18S12: in my forgiveness that I could do that right now. Uh,
- 29:22S12: there were people that tried to befriend me, but always
- 29:25S12: with the goal of converting me to Islam. So there
- 29:28S12: was never any real depth in relationship there. Yeah.
- 29:31S2: Jeff. After imagining freedom for so long, because I'm sure
- 29:36S2: at each passing day, you know, even as you lost hope,
- 29:39S2: the in your mind. I'm sure you thought about your family,
- 29:43S2: your kids, your grandkids, your wife, once you finally were
- 29:47S2: able to at least experience physical freedom. What was that
- 29:52S2: process of beginning to heal and have more holistic freedom?
- 29:58S2: What did that look like?
- 30:00S12: Um, yeah. Like I say, freedom doesn't just come when
- 30:03S12: you walk away from the terrorists. Freedom is something that
- 30:06S12: you have to learn. It's something you you have to cultivate. Uh,
- 30:12S12: and it was a healing process. It took I have
- 30:16S12: very bad PTSD. It's not as bad as it was
- 30:18S12: when I came out, though, and I was a completely
- 30:20S12: different person than when I'd gone in. And my family
- 30:23S12: were all different because they'd gone through a horrific experience themselves.
- 30:26S11: Yeah.
- 30:27S12: So there was this huge readjustment period that was not easy,
- 30:31S12: and I felt like I was a ghost, really, because
- 30:34S12: people would see, you know, my body and they'd kind
- 30:36S12: of put me back in that old box that I'd
- 30:39S12: been in for years, but I wasn't that person anymore.
- 30:42S11: Wow.
- 30:43S12: So it took a lot of time for people to
- 30:44S12: get used to me and for me to get used
- 30:46S12: to them.
- 30:48S11: This is a powerful time here, Jeff. Um, there's a
- 30:52S11: lot of you listening right now wondering how can we
- 30:55S11: get more to this story? And that's what we're overjoyed
- 30:58S11: to share with you. I think the lessons here are myriad, Ali,
- 31:02S11: and the sobriety behind it is something that's hard to describe,
- 31:05S11: isn't it?
- 31:06S2: Truly. The the book is called All the Way Home
- 31:09S2: The Incredible True Story of an American aid workers harrowing
- 31:12S2: seven years as an al Qaeda hostage. And before I
- 31:15S2: give you the link, I know that being a hostage
- 31:18S2: advocate is a big part of your story. Now, what
- 31:21S2: do you want people to know about hostages or about
- 31:24S2: people who are wrongfully detained that maybe we don't think about?
- 31:30S12: Yeah, they're being trafficked. And human trafficking in any form
- 31:33S12: is abhorrent. It's terrible. It's it's a bad thing. And
- 31:37S12: we need to put more of an effort into getting
- 31:39S12: those people free. Um, I think that oftentimes hostages and
- 31:45S12: illegally detained people are used as political pawns. And so
- 31:49S12: no one really thinks about getting actually getting them out
- 31:52S12: until there's a political incentive to do so. So I
- 31:56S12: think people don't realize that. And if there's more of
- 32:00S12: an outcry to get our hostages and others home, then
- 32:03S12: more would come home quicker.
- 32:06S2: The word to text is home to (800) 555-7898. If you
- 32:12S2: want more about our guest, Jeff Woodke. The book All
- 32:15S2: the way home. Just text home to 800 555 7898.
- 32:21S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
- 32:24S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl
- 32:29S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
- 32:31S11: Operation Christmas Child. I think most people, when they hear
- 32:35S11: those words, they go, I know what you're talking about.
- 32:38S11: You're talking about a shoebox that looks like a gift.
- 32:41S2: Yeah, absolutely. That are sent and have brought so much
- 32:44S2: Christmas joy to children around the world. We have the
- 32:47S2: privilege of having a former recipient join us this morning. Zach,
- 32:52S2: I'm going to have to have you pronounce your last
- 32:54S2: name because I do not want to mess it up.
- 32:55S2: Give us your last name, Zach. Thank you so much.
- 33:00S2: Tell tell us what you remember about receiving one of
- 33:04S2: those gift boxes back when you were. How old?
- 33:07S13: I was nine years old.
- 33:08S2: Nine years old. Tell us what you remember.
- 33:10S13: Yes, it was a Monday afternoon. Uh, my mother was
- 33:14S13: in charge of our prayer. Prayer meeting. Prayer gathering for
- 33:18S13: our children's ministry in church. Uh. The day before that,
- 33:21S13: on Sunday, uh, there was an announcement made in our
- 33:24S13: church that all the children, they'll come back the next day.
- 33:27S13: On Monday afternoon, they will receive a surprise gift. But
- 33:31S13: there was a catch to that announcement. My mother said that, um,
- 33:34S13: I was going to be the last one because she
- 33:36S13: had invited children from my community to come receive this
- 33:40S13: surprise gift. So when I was in school that Monday morning,
- 33:44S13: I was just praying, God, please have one more because
- 33:48S13: I am going to be the last child. So I
- 33:52S13: came back home that Monday afternoon and, uh, my grandmother
- 33:55S13: was living with us at that time in Fiji. And, uh,
- 33:58S13: I told my grandma, please dress me up nicely. There's
- 34:00S13: something special, you know, happening this afternoon. So, uh, and
- 34:05S13: then we saw this big brown cartons from Samaritan's Purse
- 34:09S13: being brought in, and one by one, uh, children in
- 34:12S13: my community, you know, get their name called by my
- 34:14S13: mom and get to, uh, own brand new quality toys. Uh,
- 34:18S13: before that Monday afternoon, we were playing, you know, rugby
- 34:22S13: with Coca Cola bottles with rocks and sticks. Um, you know, uh,
- 34:26S13: we were just trying to be creative, trying to use time, um, uh,
- 34:31S13: you know, with our leisure time after after school. But
- 34:34S13: then Monday afternoon changed all of us. When we get
- 34:36S13: to own brand new quality toys, we celebrate Christmas and
- 34:40S13: birthdays in Fiji. But you know, those gifts and presents,
- 34:43S13: they're just financially out of reach. And, uh, praise God
- 34:46S13: to whoever. Pack one more box. My mother finally said
- 34:50S13: my name. I walk up to the front. At the
- 34:52S13: age of nine, I received my first and only Christmas gift. Uh.
- 34:57S13: Today I can still remember the smell of my Jesus
- 34:59S13: story coloring book that was packed in my shoebox, and
- 35:03S13: the seed that really touched my heart, that was packed
- 35:06S13: in my box was a yellow yo yo that was
- 35:09S13: packed inside my shoebox. And I've always called it the
- 35:12S13: seed of grace, because grace allowed one more box to
- 35:15S13: be sent all the way to the ends of the earth.
- 35:19S11: So Zach, our guest here and now you've come full circle.
- 35:22S11: Now you're a spokesperson for Operation Christmas Child, which is
- 35:26S11: a crazy story, but I want to linger on this
- 35:28S11: yo yo of Grace. How did that shoebox really impact
- 35:34S11: your life? And did it? Was it did God use
- 35:38S11: that in a way that changed the spiritual trajectory of Zach?
- 35:43S13: Absolutely. Um, I was, I was a Christian before, but
- 35:47S13: I never fully understood God's love in our culture. It's
- 35:51S13: very patriarchal. Back in the Pacific, uh, you know, men
- 35:55S13: leads and men don't show emotions and all of that. Um,
- 36:00S13: I know I was loved by my mom and by
- 36:02S13: my dad and my parents. They love each other, but
- 36:04S13: I never heard that word love being used at home.
- 36:07S13: You hear it in church generally spoken. But when that
- 36:11S13: Monday afternoon, when my mother gave me that box, and
- 36:13S13: when she told me that God loves me, as I mentioned,
- 36:17S13: I can touch that love. I saw that love. Um,
- 36:21S13: you know, Paul says in Romans five eight that God
- 36:24S13: demonstrates his love for us in this while we were
- 36:26S13: still sinners, Christ died for us. The shoebox we got. Um,
- 36:30S13: and that's what Assisi does, you know, demonstrate the salvation
- 36:34S13: of Christ that is freely given. Uh, since 1993, over
- 36:38S13: 244 million boxes being packed. None of us deserve brand
- 36:43S13: new quality toys. None of us deserve the grace that
- 36:46S13: God did through His Son, Jesus at the cross. Uh,
- 36:49S13: you and I, we all of our listeners, you know,
- 36:52S13: we're all sinners. Uh, Paul says in second Corinthians 521 that,
- 36:57S13: you know, Jesus, who had no sin, became sin for us.
- 37:00S13: It is his righteousness, not my righteousness.
- 37:02S14: Yes.
- 37:03S13: So whoever packed these boxes, all of us, all of
- 37:06S13: the listeners that have packed a box, You truly are
- 37:09S13: the hands and feet of Jesus fulfilling that somebody get
- 37:13S13: to touch and feel the love of Christ tangibly demonstrated.
- 37:16S13: So now when I pack my boxes, uh, it's very
- 37:19S13: personal to me because I know how it feels having nothing,
- 37:24S13: having nothing. And now, um, I get to give back
- 37:27S13: to the ministry that really changed the spiritual trajectory of
- 37:32S13: my life.
- 37:33S2: Operation Christian Child is a ministry of Samaritan's Purse, a
- 37:37S2: simple shoebox gift as an opportunity to share the love
- 37:40S2: of Christ over 244 million. As Zach said, shoebox gifts
- 37:45S2: have been collected for kids in over 175 countries. What
- 37:51S2: would be your appeal to we? This is packing week
- 37:54S2: right now and next week is collection week. So you
- 37:56S2: still have a couple of more days. If you want
- 37:58S2: to get one of those shoeboxes packed, what would be
- 38:01S2: your appeal? Zach.
- 38:02S13: Um, I always want to leave people with my, you know,
- 38:05S13: heart verse in Malachi 316 for me. Um, it's remembrance, right? Uh,
- 38:11S13: Malachi says this, that the when those who fear the
- 38:14S13: Lord spoke with one another, the Lord listens. And a
- 38:17S13: book of remembrance being written before him concerning those who
- 38:21S13: fear his name. None of us, you know, many of
- 38:24S13: us that have been packing boxes. We've never met a
- 38:26S13: child that actually get impacted by what we're doing on
- 38:31S13: this side of the world. But Malachi said, when we
- 38:34S13: who fellowship, when we share with one another, when we
- 38:36S13: talk to one another, uh, the box that I receive
- 38:39S13: over 20 years ago, somebody was talking to me. Uh,
- 38:42S13: somebody loved me. Somebody chose me. Uh, and somebody pursued
- 38:46S13: that one more box. I am that one more.
- 38:49S14: Child.
- 38:50S13: That whoever packed that one more box. And from that
- 38:53S13: one more box. Uh, I am actually now pastoring in
- 38:56S13: Western Kansas.
- 38:57S11: Really?
- 38:58S13: Praise be to God by the impact of that shoe box.
- 39:01S13: And now our churches. Uh, our church packed boxes. And
- 39:06S13: we receive, um, shoebox. We are a drop off location.
- 39:09S13: So you can go on to our website. There are
- 39:12S13: over 5000 locations, uh, starting on the November 16th through
- 39:17S13: the 23rd. Uh, we'll be receiving shoeboxes, uh, in over
- 39:21S13: 5000 locations. So just remember, they're not just the box, uh,
- 39:25S13: that's a child. And please, please, please, um, pray, pray
- 39:29S13: for your shoebox. Pray for the child. They will receive
- 39:32S13: your shoebox because I, I believe the best gift that
- 39:36S13: I'm praying for, for that child to receive. Yes. It's
- 39:39S13: the boxes, uh, the items in the boxes. But to Jesus,
- 39:43S13: who they can give their life to, to be their
- 39:45S13: Lord and Savior.
- 39:46S11: Yeah. Good word man. Well, if you love Zach's story,
- 39:50S11: you're going to love this opportunity. Some of you are
- 39:52S11: well aware, but there is going to be a need
- 39:55S11: for you to take a look at what are the
- 39:57S11: parameters around this? What do I put in a box
- 40:00S11: like this? How can I be a part of it?
- 40:01S11: Allie's got all those details here.
- 40:03S2: Just text box make it very easy for you. The website,
- 40:06S2: the packing list, just text box to 805 557898. Just
- 40:12S2: that one word. Tempting to put the emoji in, but
- 40:15S2: don't because it'll keep you from getting the auto reply.
- 40:18S2: So just box box 800 555, 7898.
- 40:24S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
- 40:28S1: Super Dai is in the crew. It's curl and crew
- 40:32S1: on Moody Radio.
- 40:33S2: Carl said something to me recently, my my dear co-host
- 40:38S2: Carl and I didn't know how to take it at first.
- 40:42S2: I'm going to tell you about it. He would. He
- 40:44S2: would be totally fine with this. But not too long ago,
- 40:48S2: I found myself and my family going through a season
- 40:52S2: of of real transition and not totally resolved yet. Some
- 40:58S2: of it's still in process, so I'll keep the details
- 41:01S2: kind of veiled, But Carl said with great excitement as
- 41:05S2: he heard the details of. Kind of some tough stuff,
- 41:08S2: and he said, this is so exciting. And he said,
- 41:13S2: what a great opportunity to trust, to see what God's
- 41:17S2: going to do. And I knew in my mind, yes,
- 41:21S2: that is 100% true. But Susie Larson, our guest right now,
- 41:25S2: in the moment, I wasn't sure whether to say thank you,
- 41:30S2: Brother Carl, for those words of absolute faith or to
- 41:34S2: give him a little shove and say, I don't want
- 41:36S2: to hear that right now. Did you just hear what
- 41:39S2: I said? I did.
- 41:40S15: I love it so much. If you're going to walk
- 41:42S15: with Carl, he's going to fan your flame. Ali. Absolutely.
- 41:46S15: It's like, you know, when you're Noah, my soul needs this.
- 41:48S15: And this is why we need people like that. But
- 41:50S15: you're right. It's so hard because to trust God means
- 41:53S15: you have an opportunity to trust him. You have a
- 41:55S15: need to trust him. So I know God's with you, Ali.
- 41:58S15: I know he's with you. And I can't wait to
- 42:01S15: hear how the this story turns out, but thank you
- 42:03S15: for having me today.
- 42:04S2: I so appreciate it. Suzy Larson, well-known radio talk show host.
- 42:07S2: She's an author. Her latest book, More Than You Can
- 42:10S2: Imagine what God does when you trust him more. What
- 42:13S2: does God do when we trust him more? And why
- 42:16S2: is it so hard for us to get to that more?
- 42:19S15: You know, because the enemy of our soul, we have
- 42:21S15: a real enemy. We've got a target on our back.
- 42:24S15: If we walk with Jesus and his goal is to
- 42:27S15: distract and derail us. I often say, if you're in Christ,
- 42:31S15: Christ is in you, which means the enemy cannot touch
- 42:33S15: your identity or your eternity. But what he can do
- 42:36S15: is steal your joy. He can destroy your fruit, and
- 42:39S15: he can rob you of your future reward. And he's
- 42:41S15: so threatened by those things that he will spend all
- 42:44S15: of your lifetime trying to do just that. So trusting
- 42:48S15: God changes the story. Trusting God not only honors God
- 42:52S15: because he's trustworthy, but it impacts your life, your story,
- 42:56S15: and how things turn out. It's you living like his
- 42:58S15: promises are true.
- 43:00S2: And certainly when it comes to trusting God, it's easier
- 43:05S2: in some areas than in others. That's right. It can
- 43:08S2: be easy sometimes to trust God for direction, for ourselves. God, what?
- 43:13S2: What career do you want me to have next? And
- 43:16S2: sometimes it can be harder to trust with, say, like
- 43:18S2: our our kids, how our kids are doing spiritually, or
- 43:21S2: the fears or anxieties we have around that those those
- 43:25S2: areas of trust that are harder to release. Is it
- 43:28S2: is it pride? Is it control? Is it just this
- 43:31S2: battle we have with the flesh?
- 43:33S15: It really is experience because as people are listening, they're
- 43:36S15: going to go, okay, I can trust him in that area,
- 43:38S15: not so much in that area. And it really often
- 43:40S15: connects to your history with God. Because if you have
- 43:44S15: areas where it's like, you know, I, I, I know
- 43:46S15: how to trust him there. It's because you've won some
- 43:48S15: victories there. Typically you look back over your shoulder and
- 43:51S15: you're like, you know, God and I together have overcome
- 43:54S15: some things. And so I've, I've seen his faithfulness in
- 43:57S15: this area of my life. So I do have some
- 44:00S15: spiritual muscle memory there. But then there are always spaces.
- 44:03S15: If you're walking intimately with God and you're honest about
- 44:06S15: your story, there are places and spaces where it's like, yeah,
- 44:09S15: not so easy in this place. Why? Well, because God,
- 44:12S15: maybe it's allowed me to suffer. He's allowed me to wait.
- 44:16S15: You know, it's been a long time since I've seen
- 44:18S15: a breakthrough in this area. And it is interesting how
- 44:21S15: we can compartmentalize our faith. But he's still the same God.
- 44:24S15: He's the same faithful God. So just as our brother
- 44:27S15: Carl said to you, this is so exciting. The honest
- 44:30S15: truth is, it really is. If we can reframe our
- 44:33S15: battles because we serve the same God, we seem to
- 44:36S15: serve the God of the breakthrough. And so whatever space
- 44:40S15: you're in right now where it's like this, this area
- 44:43S15: harder to trust. And the honest truth is, God does
- 44:46S15: allow us to endure suffering. God does allow us to
- 44:49S15: endure delays, but our trust is forged in the places
- 44:53S15: of need. And so that's why I think it comes easy.
- 44:56S15: It's so nuanced. It's easy in one area for some
- 44:59S15: and not so much in another. And so the whole
- 45:01S15: point of the book is to build resilient trust, to
- 45:04S15: show that you are literally your best self. When you're
- 45:06S15: walking in the spirit, your truest identity is when you're
- 45:10S15: walking in the brilliance of walking in the spirit. And
- 45:12S15: I know I've walked with you long enough to know,
- 45:15S15: I know you know this. Like when you are really
- 45:17S15: abiding in the vine, when you're keeping your heart pure
- 45:19S15: before God, you're walking in the spirit. You're your most
- 45:22S15: brilliant self. Like you'll pray for people and you'll say
- 45:25S15: things like, where did that come from? Or you're, you're
- 45:27S15: giving encouragement to someone and you'll have wisdom that you're like,
- 45:31S15: that wasn't me, you know, and that is walking in
- 45:34S15: the spirit. And I would say they're one and the
- 45:36S15: same as you walk in the spirit, trust not only
- 45:39S15: becomes natural, but supernatural. And it's why it's so important
- 45:42S15: to make this a daily practice.
- 45:44S2: You know, because many people, you talked about being honest,
- 45:47S2: like there's where there's disappointment, where people feel like, God, I,
- 45:51S2: I trusted you and I still went through this really
- 45:55S2: painful thing and I'm not quite haven't quite recovered from that. And,
- 46:00S2: and there's there's hurt and there's pain and there's trauma,
- 46:03S2: all of which you have experienced. How has this looked
- 46:07S2: in your own life? I know we've we've gotten pieces
- 46:09S2: of your story before, but where have you found it
- 46:12S2: hardest to trust God because of the pain?
- 46:16S15: Yeah, such a great question. Well, you know, the obvious
- 46:19S15: one is my health, you know, and also there's just
- 46:22S15: been some things and some private struggles that, like you,
- 46:25S15: I'm not ready to disclose yet, but are extremely painful
- 46:29S15: parts of my story. And but in those places, I'm
- 46:33S15: reminding myself I serve the God of the breakthrough. And
- 46:37S15: my faith in the land of the living, you know,
- 46:39S15: is where it really counts. Because one day my faith
- 46:41S15: will become sight. And one of the things I illustrate
- 46:44S15: in the book, so every chapter has a modern day
- 46:46S15: story of, of hardships and messes and traumas where friends
- 46:51S15: have decided to involve God in their story. And then
- 46:53S15: what happened when they trust him. And then each chapter
- 46:56S15: also involves a parallel biblical story. So I'm just like
- 46:59S15: helping you to build resilient trust. But one of the
- 47:01S15: stories I tell is a full circle moment. And how
- 47:05S15: God does this, he, without us even realizing it, he'll
- 47:08S15: bring us to full circle moments where, like Peter, back
- 47:11S15: to the charcoal fire, it's Peter in that place where
- 47:14S15: he denied Jesus around a charcoal fire. Those were very
- 47:18S15: common back then. And, you know, I'm super interested in
- 47:21S15: brain science, physiology, how fearfully and wonderfully made we are.
- 47:25S15: And the idea is that there were lots of charcoal
- 47:29S15: fires back then. You know, that what every time Peter
- 47:32S15: got around a charcoal fire and that smoke went into
- 47:35S15: his nose, it served a physiological, traumatic reaction for him.
- 47:39S15: The worst day of his life. Yeah. I denied my Savior,
- 47:42S15: my Messiah, the one that I was ready to go
- 47:44S15: to the cross for. I denied him. And you know,
- 47:47S15: the enemy wasted no time accusing and condemning him. You
- 47:51S15: can only imagine what. For someone as passionate as Peter,
- 47:55S15: what that must have been like in that time in between.
- 47:57S15: But when Jesus resurrected from the grave and he invited
- 48:01S15: the guys to around a charcoal fire. I mean, I
- 48:04S15: picture Peter going, it's him! Like jumping out of the boat,
- 48:07S15: tearing off his clothes, trying to get to the water
- 48:09S15: because that's who him. Who he is. And isn't it
- 48:12S15: something that's three times Jesus asked him, do you love me, Peter?
- 48:15S15: It wasn't to condemn him. It wasn't to remind him
- 48:17S15: of his failure. It was to recommission him. It's like
- 48:21S15: he had to reframe the charcoal fire experience. And I
- 48:24S15: want to say to you, if you're in the middle
- 48:26S15: of the mess that God right now is writing your
- 48:29S15: story in a way that as you trust him, you
- 48:32S15: will experience a full circle moment. I don't know what
- 48:35S15: it's going to look like, but God loves those kinds
- 48:38S15: of details. And I write about one in the book
- 48:40S15: about me having a full circle moment with my health
- 48:42S15: that literally buckled my knees right out from underneath me.
- 48:46S2: And Susie, I don't want to let you go. Before
- 48:48S2: we get a couple practical strategies for the person your
- 48:51S2: words always resonate so deeply with those who are. Particularly
- 48:54S2: those who are dealing with pain and suffering. What are
- 48:57S2: the practical strategies? Maybe 1 or 2 that can help
- 49:00S2: somebody today who wants so desperately to trust God more,
- 49:03S2: but they're just not there yet.
- 49:05S15: I can't remember if I've talked about this on a
- 49:07S15: previous show, but another one of the stories in the
- 49:09S15: book I talk about where one of the girls, a
- 49:12S15: friend of mine, walking through incredible hardship. First she was
- 49:15S15: knocked over by it, but then she rose up because
- 49:17S15: she's a fighter, she's a warrior. And she formed something
- 49:20S15: she calls a battle box. And that's what I want
- 49:22S15: to tell you to do is get a battle box.
- 49:25S15: And that can look like a little plastic container with
- 49:27S15: recipe cards in it. And every time you find a verse,
- 49:31S15: which means if you're in a trial, immerse yourself in scripture.
- 49:34S15: Don't run and numb and medicate your pain. Run to
- 49:37S15: the Lord. Open up the word. Say I'm not leaving
- 49:39S15: till you speak to me. And when the verses pop
- 49:42S15: off the page. Or when God gives you like a
- 49:44S15: faith declaration, write it on the recipe card and form
- 49:47S15: your battle box. And your strategy then is to open
- 49:50S15: that thing up every day and walk around your living
- 49:53S15: room if you have to. Holding those cards, let your
- 49:55S15: ears hear your mouth say, My God is faithful. He
- 49:58S15: will make a way for me, I. My battle box
- 50:00S15: has both Scripture and some faith declarations that I catch
- 50:03S15: myself saying a lot that literally not only builds muscle memory,
- 50:07S15: but faith comes from hearing. So when your ears hear
- 50:10S15: your mouth say, My God is good, his promises are true,
- 50:13S15: and he will make a way for me. Something changes
- 50:17S15: for you and you'll know it. So that to me
- 50:19S15: is get a battle box. But I would also say
- 50:21S15: include some friends, some God fearing, fiery, praying friends in
- 50:26S15: on whatever you're walking through and say, can we hop
- 50:28S15: on a phone call even 20 minutes once a week?
- 50:31S15: And let's be honest with each other about our struggles,
- 50:34S15: and let's go to the throne room and encourage each
- 50:36S15: other and seek God. I'm telling you, as you do
- 50:39S15: this in community and as you own your faith and
- 50:41S15: upgrade the way that you show up in your battle,
- 50:44S15: those things will make a massive difference for you.
- 50:46S2: Susie Larson, our guest. Always such a treat. The book
- 50:49S2: is called More Than You Can Imagine what God does
- 50:51S2: when you trust him more. Text goodness to 805 557898.
- 50:57S2: We'll get you connected with Susie the book. More resources.
- 51:00S2: Just text goodness to 805 557898.
- 51:05S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.
- 51:10S1: Super Dai is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
- 51:14S1: on Moody Radio making herself laugh no matter who joins her.
- 51:18S1: It's time for Ali thinks it's funny.
- 51:23S2: Some of you have already started texting to get the jokes.
- 51:27S3: You got to wait.
- 51:28S2: Don't get them until you hear them.
- 51:30S3: Well, it's not funny because if you it's like, uh,
- 51:32S3: it's like looking up the end of a movie before
- 51:34S3: you watch the end of a movie. Like you're gonna
- 51:36S3: know what's coming. You're not gonna like it.
- 51:38S2: Just, uh, enjoy. Let's enjoy them together first, shall we? Yes. So, um,
- 51:44S2: you got a favorite aunt in your life? I hope
- 51:47S2: you do. Because aunts, aunts or aren't you say aunt
- 51:51S2: or aunt?
- 51:51S3: I say.
- 51:51S2: Aren't you say aunt. Okay. I, I think I have
- 51:54S2: a mix, I have some aunts who are aunt and
- 51:56S2: I have some aunts who are aunt.
- 51:57S3: Sure, it all goes off preference.
- 51:59S2: What do you call your aunt or your aunt who
- 52:02S2: just turned 100 years old?
- 52:05S3: Oh, jeez, I don't know.
- 52:06S2: Maybe Great Aunt Betty or Aunt Sue just turned 100
- 52:11S2: years old. So she's got a new nickname. You do
- 52:13S2: have a great aunt.
- 52:14S3: I have a great Aunt Betty.
- 52:15S2: Okay, well, don't actually call her this, I won't. Your
- 52:18S2: great aunt who just turned 100 years old. Antique, don't.
- 52:25S3: Yeah, won't be doing that.
- 52:26S2: Don't call her that. Don't call her that. All in
- 52:29S2: good fun, folks. All in good fun. Next up, back
- 52:33S2: to the farm. The place where many, so many good
- 52:36S2: jokes originate. What do you call a short cow? A
- 52:41S2: cow who's a little vertically challenged, not as tall as
- 52:44S2: the rest of the cows in the pasture. I don't know.
- 52:47S2: Hasn't hit his growth spurt yet. What do you call
- 52:52S2: a short cow? Condensed milk.
- 52:59S16: Old MacDonald had a farm. EIEIO.
- 53:03S2: Tex jokes to 800 555, 78, 98. Tex jokes to
- 53:11S2: 805 5578, 98. For some reason, thinking of a cow
- 53:15S2: waiting for a growth spurt is absolutely hilarious.
- 53:18S3: Just a little tiny cow with short legs.
- 53:20S2: I mean, maybe because I have a 14 year old
- 53:22S2: boy who's there who talks a lot about waiting for
- 53:25S2: his growth spurt. So that's certainly something that boys.
- 53:29S3: What else is he. He's like, taller than me. What's
- 53:31S3: he waiting for?
- 53:31S2: He's waiting for his big growth spurt.
- 53:33S3: There's another one coming. I'm waiting for mine, too.
- 53:37S2: Aren't we all? Tex jokes to 805 five, five, 78,
- 53:42S2: 98 jokes to 800 555, 78, 98.