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  It's another episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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  But are you subscribed? If not make sure to like, share
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  and enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to another
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  episode of the Christian. We podcast, today's guest is a
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  podcaster and twitch streamer all the way from st.
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  Petersburg in Russia. He goes by the name.
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  Angry ducky. Welcome to the show.
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  How you doing? Hello?
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  Hello. I'm doing well, nice to be here,
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  and he's crazy. Yeah, from st.
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  Petersburg not Florida, but actual Russia, it's I only
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  recently deep Russia. Oh no, it's not.
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  No, it's not. Well, considering his bag is
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  considered the the cultural City.
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  Isn't it historically? Yeah, this is the cultural
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  cultural. Capital of all the Russia.
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  It have been for quite a while. First, it was built as the
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  capital itself, then it just became the cultural capital and
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  it has what are your thoughts about about living there?
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  Like what do you think about Cynthia's book?
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  So it's called Yeah, it's called, it's depressing.
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  I absolutely love it. Okay.
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  Well, I know how that feels. I lived in a country, quite
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  close to Russia called Estonia for about three years.
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  Oh, and I knew that the winters different, isn't it?
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  It's, it's hard to explain, because I don't know, like, when
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  I was in Estonia, I remember thinking how It's a different
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  kind of cold so like it can be like - 20 but it doesn't
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  necessarily feel that - 20, but if you're not properly clothed,
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  which sounds like a really obvious thing, but if you're not
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  properly clothed, it can go crazy.
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  Like I remember one time I was on a farm and I was asked to get
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  some light hubs in the snow because they were like covered,
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  but like there is still herbes in the ground waiting.
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  You were stealing someone's herb on the farm.
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  I didn't know I was living on a farm and ask to get some hugs
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  from out. Yeah, it does, it does for legal
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  reasons you're leaving on that farm and everybody knew about
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  it. I would not try and steal
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  fucking her, yes. In a farm in Estonia, because or
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  anywhere in Europe, because I get shot.
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  Like, why the fuck would you do that?
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  I would know, that's fair. No, but I was getting these hubs
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  and I stupidly didn't put any gloves on, right?
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  Because in England, when it's cold it's like you can get away
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  with like Like, maybe just wearing, you know, ill-equipped
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  like, you know, not wearing enough clothes, you can kind of
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  get away with it. You're not, you're not going to
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  really get ill, but when I was living in Estonia, like if I
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  would, you know, if I would do that, I would get a cold.
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  But instead of being ill for a couple of days, I'll be able for
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  like three weeks. You know what I mean?
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  Yes, rudel. And in this particular instance,
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  where I went to get these herbs, I grab them with my bare hands
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  and came back in. I tie my hands would doing that
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  thing where they're so cold that they're burning.
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  I was just like staring at them and putting them in front of the
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  fire and going ha ha God. That's so much I can understand
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  that. Yeah, Baltic Winters are not
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  nearly as a mild as England Winters, although here in st.
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  Petersburg who we kinda enjoy the more of a British winter in
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  Autumn and In Spring otherwise, it's either our own kind of
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  winter which is cold and miserable and every time you go
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  anywhere, you know, it's not even the cold that gets you.
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  It's usually the fact that there is nothing out there on the
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  street that can be considered. Warm wind is called land, you're
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  walking on is cold. Buildings, you're walking
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  around. They're called to nothing is
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  warm ever until it's burning. Of course, the because I know
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  that when I was living in Estonia, there was a couple of
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  traditions, which I understand a shared between Russia, Finland,
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  Estonia, maybe a few other countries near there where, you
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  know for example if you are getting coming down with a cold
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  you keep some sort of like, vodka in the freezer and you
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  have like, maybe one or two shots, just just that and then
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  that, yes. I actually can help you from
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  stop. Getting it can prevent you from
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  getting a cold or something or get help.
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  And that actually helped me several times, hey, don't have
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  to be vodka. It has to be any kind of strong,
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  alcohol, right? Rear any kind of strong alcohol
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  you want. It can be done.
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  And the funniest part was the one I use that trick in the
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  trip. In Israel they have they have
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  All kinds of AC units blow in from everywhere and of course I
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  just caught cold a little bit. I was like nope I'm not going.
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  I'm not going to the hospital in this country.
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  No way. So I just went into the bar like
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  can I have a shot of vodka? Thank you very much.
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  Got it, paid for it went away, and straight went to sleep.
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  Next day. I was like I have never ever
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  called a caught a cold in my entire life.
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  What was the Vodka like in Israel but the reason I ask
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  this, right? Just before you get him answer,
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  is that like what growing up here in the UK?
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  I only ever had access. I think the best vodka you could
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  get was like Russian Standard, which is disgusting, right?
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  It's terrible. And then as I got older, there
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  were some It's like Absolut Vodka, a few others, which is
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  okay, but I kind of just assumed that either.
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  Vodka is terrible or that I just don't like it right, but when I
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  moved to Estonia, I started trying Russian vodka and
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  Ukrainian vodka. And yeah, I don't know.
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  Me personally, I adore Ukrainian vodka.
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  I think it's amazing. And there's a few Russian ones
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  pretty good too. But it kind of blew my mind
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  because, For the first time in my life, I was genuinely
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  enjoying vodka without a mixer pure and it, tasted fantastic, I
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  wouldn't feel ill the next day, it just felt great.
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  And so, and what I understood from that, what I was told by
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  the locals as well, is that it's all to do with the quality of
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  the alcohol, which makes sense the cheaper, the alcohol, you
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  drink the worse, you feel? So just basically drink
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  high-quality alcohol. And you'll rarely get sick the
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  next day or whatever. And also, as we were saying
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  before, drinking is part of culture in Europe, but it's You
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  don't necessarily have the binge drinking culture that we have
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  here in the UK, like people will regularly, you know, just sit
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  down. Have like, for instance, one of
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  the things that I used to do is, you know, you have like the, the
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  bread, the black bread with, with the gherkins and the other
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  sandwich Fellers and then you, you know, you eat like a tiny
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  sandwich as well as the shot of vodka.
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  So, but always afterwards and then I understood those are our
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  so people don't just drink alcohol straight.
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  Ali some people do mostly they will as they do it and that
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  makes perfect sense. And that's quite civilized, you
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  know, in other cultures you know Italians do the same thing.
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  They have a glass of wine with their pasta or whatever.
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  You know what I mean? It's it's more civilized, it's
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  nice. But yeah, like what was just
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  going back to the question that what was it like drinking?
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  This is vodka in Israel. Was it good?
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  Was it bad like? No.
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  It wasn't good. It was never a good.
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  I actually I can remember several times I tried Israeli
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  vodka most of the times it was just plain terrible.
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  Okay okay I lined with it whether I bet they don't know
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  how to do that or they'd rather import, right?
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  Yeah. Now that's I think that's the
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  issue as well because here in the UK as I understand why would
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  they only ever in Port cheap stuff?
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  There are a few vodkas that I've seen their input.
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  To the UK that damn thing to be high-quality.
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  I think there's one for my Poland, which is like 100 pounds
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  of or something, which is, apparently quite nice.
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  There's a few others, but they seem like that kind of designer,
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  vodka, which to me, you know, it's not about the taste, you
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  just paying for a brand, right? Which is just dumb in my
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  opinion, you know, it's all about the with alcohol.
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  If you're gonna drink alcohol, like you want good quality
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  stuff, you know, and if you want to really good quality stuff,
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  since you mentioned Ukrainian vodka, They have a very good one
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  because they have a very good crops for that.
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  I kind of have to admit that Russian crops are subpar to
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  Ukrainian crops for making vodka.
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  This is make an alcoholic. There's a, I mean, maybe it's
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  just the selection it available in Estonia.
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  I mean I was at sorry to my Estonian friends but Estonian
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  vodka is terrible. Although interestingly
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  apparently historically Estonia actually used to have the best
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  vodka. In the world at one point but
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  then over the course of many years and I'm talking like,
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  probably maybe 18th 19th century was when they had like the best
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  vodka in a while and then problems happen invasions by the
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  blah and then the quality just drastically deteriorated.
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  Right. So then you know Russia and
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  there's a possibility. Yeah like Russia and Ukraine
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  then became the sort of supposed to like the top leaders in terms
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  of producing. In the best quality stuff.
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  But it's interesting to me that like you can only generally get
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  access to these things by going to that actual country.
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  Like you can sometimes import stuff but it's rare.
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  You know what I mean? That you can actually light
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  source this stuff. And from what I've seen in many
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  of the stores here in the UK, like polish shops and Eastern
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  European shops and stuff is that they will have a lot of the
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  stuff that you can get in Europe, but a lot of I'm it'll
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  be poor not so great quality or you know that there's a there's
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  a not an extensive selection which is understandable because
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  it's like the cost of inputs so high you just send what you can
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  write. And obviously you're probably
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  gonna send the cheapest stuff to import because you know, you got
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  a business to run, what you got to do, what's what's logical
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  from a business perspective. But it means you miss out on so
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  many things. And it's a shame because I don't
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  know, like Of course, it's so many things that Superior like
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  when I tried that vodka, the for the first time I was I was just
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  blown away. I felt like I just missed the
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  trick for so many years and it just completely changed the way
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  that I look at these things and it was the same, so it's not
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  just Europe. I remember going to Scotland,
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  Edinburgh and trying. Yes, try whiskey for the first
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  time, but like, like The Cask whiskey?
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  And so like I wanted is, here's a trick for anyone.
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  That doesn't know, right? So if you I generally try
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  whiskies and you find yourself disliking them, things like
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  Laphroaig and stuff like that. There's a reason they all taste
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  the same because they all have this weird kind of chemical
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  taste, right? They all they all taste the
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  same, but when you go to places like Edinburgh and you get these
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  like Cask whiskies which and the way you can kind of tell that
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  it's this type of whiskey is that it tends to be above a
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  certain percentage. So what I've noticed is, it's
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  anything that's above Round I'd say like, 50% or 55% alcohol
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  content, is excellent. Superb taste, but anything under
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  that? Trash horrible.
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  Don't drink it, it's bizarre, thank you, thank you.
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  By the way, for the advice, kind of more of a whiskey person and
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  I do want to taste at some point proper Cask whiskey.
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  The reason I bring up is it for me?
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  That was the same sensation as try.
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  Eyeing Russian and Ukrainian vodka, like Goodyear quality
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  stuff for the first time it really expanded my mind and then
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  now, I save it for it. Now, I'm back in the UK, I'm
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  like, oh, I wish I could get these things because it's you
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  don't even need a lot. That's, that's the great thing
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  about it. It's like, you know, you can put
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  like a bottle of vodka in the freezer and maybe you, you just
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  treat yourself once in a while. Yeah, like you don't need much
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  to to have that cut that like that.
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  Maybe now that I don't really drink anymore.
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  Special occasions once in a blue moon, but I don't, I don't
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  really drink, right? Maybe it's because
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  understandable, it's like my body violently rejects it.
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  So in one sense is a good thing. Like I don't get like a hangover
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  but I get like, Extreme fatigue and dehydration, right?
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  Which is normal, but it's like I the next day.
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  I just lose energy. I can't do anything and I'm not,
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  well, I don't want to feel this way and it's again, it's not a
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  hangover but it's like, it's like everything except the
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  sickness. So it's like, oh well, this
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  sucks. So makes me rethink every time I
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  drink alcohol, might do, or do I really want to do this?
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  Do I really want to do this, right?
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  Because it's all fun in the moment but then the next day you
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  just lose it, right? Yeah.
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  And Obviously when you drink better quality stuff, sometimes
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  you never have that issue like every time I drink Vodka ring in
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  Estonia, I felt fantastic the next day but the key was not
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  drinking a lot. That's the key.
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  You only need to maybe polish off, one bottle between yourself
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  and someone else, right? So what we talked about five of?
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  Yeah, that's right. Plus eating obviously, that's
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  really important. Of course, you know, you should
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  never forget the proper eating while you drinking.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  You will have another mind-blowing effect at some
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  point as well. If you ever go to Eastern
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  Europe, ukrainians have ukrainians have a habit of
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  producing really, really nice. Moonshine, it's even better than
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  vodka, dude. I ain't drinking moonshine.
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  It's like the wild west. It is much better than vodka
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  because they they not just make it a vodka tastes.
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  They make it taste like various different stuff.
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  It can taste like herbs in. You can taste like whiskey,
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  even. You're not side moonshine, man.
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  You're not snow Ukrainian moonshine.
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  You should at least try once maybe if I got Death Wish Jesus.
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  Maybe if you have a death wish if ukrainians offer you
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  moonshine you say no no thank you.
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  That's when you know you got a death wish that that's a funny
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  one. I remember I was in New Year's
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  party one time, right? And this is the power.
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  Power of beautiful women from Europe.
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  So like it was, we were in the Czech Republic and it was New
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  Year's and there was a mixture of Russians.
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  Check people people from Britain like we were University students
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  that have been invited there by Francis a real nice mix of
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  people. And I know if you've ever been
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  to Prague Czech Republic, but yeah, I'm at the women.
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  There have are amazing. And obviously, there were
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  Russian women there. Who again, amazing.
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  And Like I said, I'm not a big drinker.
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  I mean, I was my first year of uni, so I was always up for a
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  party. But I knew that it was dangerous
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  partying, with Russians. It's always dangerous paying
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  what? You'll have the best time ever.
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  Don't get me wrong. But yes, it's coaches and
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  there's this girl who I was, you know, I was trying to get with
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  you know and but I wasn't like I wasn't like hooked it.
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  I was I just want to have a good time.
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  Jim. And I was trying to she took an
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  interest in me, we would chat And it was fun and she's taking
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  shots with this other girl and I'm just watching them just in
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  amazement because they're just knocking like that like five at
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  once. I don't give a shit and they
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  were doing the classic tequila shot thing where you take the
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  shot and you I don't know the order but you put a line of salt
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  on the yes hand and all that and then you I don't know if there's
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  some kind of lime. Yeah I don't know.
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  What do you do with it? Yeah but They were doing that
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  with vodka and tequila and originally she said, are you
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  going to do a shot? And I'll start calling.
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  And she's like, really, but she said it in that way, like,
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  you're not gonna do it. And I felt like it was a
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  challenge. Like, if I want the woman, I
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  need to do the shots and I was just like, I'll do it.
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  I can do it a. Spritz, we drink loads.
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  It's great, no worries. I'm representing England right
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  now. So it's just like, let's go.
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  For it and that was the beginning of the end for that
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  point onwards. I remember most of the night but
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  I we got very very drunk. But again the same thing because
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  of the good quality of the alcohol.
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  The next day, I felt fine like no problems and we mixed as
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  well, which you should never do just drinking advice in general
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  for anyone. Listening never mix your drinks,
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  never do that stupid stick to one type of alcohol and that's
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  it. But obviously that's easier said
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  than done. And let's be real definitely
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  like and here it's usually called and never down mix.
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  It says no taboo for mixing. It just don't, don't mix.
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  The problem is, it happens though?
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  Like I say, don't do that, but I'll probably end up doing
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  again, because, what always happens, you sit down at a table
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  or something. When you go somewhere, right?
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  You have a couple of drinks, you chatting.
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  That's how the night begins. And then someone usually the
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  crazy person just brings around the shots in like, hey guys,
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  let's do shots. You like wow these that what
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  bought them now and you're like okay I guess we gotta do one and
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  then one becomes 2 and then 2 becomes 4 and then 4 becomes 10
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  and before you know it you're singing in some European city
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  off your face blowing fireworks everywhere.
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  Not me. That was someone else?
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  Yeah. And doing definitely want
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  someone else. You know, for real, I had a
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  friend. I'm not gonna name him but, you
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  know, seriously and literally we were in this group.
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  Group and he's setting off fireworks in different parts of
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  Prague right but he'd run away from us, go down an Alleyway and
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  do it. But I don't know what he was
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  with said that city Prague but like every time he would set off
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  a firework that they weren't even big, they were like those
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  tiny ones but there was this one particular firework that he set
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  off and I swear to God it sounded like a nuclear bomb or
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  something had gone up. It was like boom and we were
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  like holy shit. I was like, dude, you gotta stop
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  doing that. We're gonna get like Caught by
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  the police service tray. Like this is, don't you?
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  But yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah.
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  The bright Prague is a very fun town.
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  I had a lot of fun there myself when I was there, mostly because
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  I really enjoyed the beer there. I kind of make it so it feels
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  like you're drinking. Some just just a refreshing root
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  beer but then you see, like oh it's alcoholic and Quite heavily
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  alcoholic drink. Yeah.
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  I mean, I agree with you for me of all the places I've been in
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  the world. I have to say, That's probably
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  my number one, for alcohol, and then Ireland would be a close
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  second. And it's like, I always say
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  this. So I'm sorry, you know, bloody
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  broken record, but it's it with beer.
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  It's all to do with the water. It's that Old South, I believe
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  it's an Irish saying actually it's in the water.
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  And Irish water is fantastic. So, the alcohol is really good.
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  Like, I remember having a Budweiser with the Irish water
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  and Budweiser's, you know, an American Beer but it Tasted
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  fantastic. And any time I'd had it on draft
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  in like London, it was disgusting, but in Ireland, it
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  was fantastic. But yeah, in Prague, I don't
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  know, like everything just felt like it had more good quality
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  ingredients. Like, I remember this one beer,
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  I had where it had the kind of consistency and texture of a
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  Guinness, but it was much lighter.
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  It was like a light version of Guinness.
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  It was wonderful. We had like a couple of those
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  and I was drinking them slowly but I was really enjoying it
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  because it was really creamy and just relaxing and just just
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  chill. Like, I was like, this is how a
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  beer should be, you know, we have beers like that in England,
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  but it's different like, it's in different categories.
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  So, like our version of that would be a whale.
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  England is very well known for dark ales and different forms
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  that I fails ipas, that stuff, no, yeah, I'm sure 100% like
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  fantastic really good stuff, but then when it comes to loggers
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  not so much. Everything that we've got is, is
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  like European imported and it's the same thing I was talking
• 21:56
  about before where you get the mix from from the other country.
• 21:59
  But then you mix it with the English water and depending on
• 22:02
  where you are in the country will affect it.
• 22:04
  So if you're in London, it's not going to taste great if you're
• 22:07
  in somewhere. Like Oh, I don't know Devan or
• 22:11
  somewhere like that, then it might actually taste the right
• 22:13
  because it's bit. It's a real kind of Hit and Miss
• 22:16
  because it's mixing the water with of that particular region
• 22:19
  with the solution. And and hoping for the best.
• 22:25
  That man, that's a good choice. Yeah.
• 22:27
  But some things are just bad. Like if you're drinking, like, I
• 22:30
  don't know, calling last column is calling, it's just not good.
• 22:33
  Like it doesn't matter what. But another beers I don't know,
• 22:38
  I'm quite Marshall to things like Heineken sometimes Stella
• 22:44
  Artois riff. It's got like, good water.
• 22:47
  Like I said, you know, it depends.
• 22:48
  He really depends. Now, after I visited Prague, I
• 22:53
  couldn't just, I couldn't stay the local beers or not.
• 22:57
  So, local beers just imported dedic.
• 22:59
  No, it's not that it's not the same.
• 23:02
  It's not the same feeling. That's how I almost stopped
• 23:05
  getting any kind of beers are ales on the other hand.
• 23:08
  That's a and story elzar. What you didn't like the local
• 23:11
  beers from Prague, or did I misunderstand?
• 23:13
  No, I local beers in Russia. Oh yeah, yeah, no.
• 23:17
  I absolutely adore the local beers in Prague so I just like,
• 23:23
  yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't drink anything that doesn't take
• 23:26
  like that and doesn't taste like that.
• 23:29
  And the people telling me, no, no, that's a beer.
• 23:31
  That's a liger. Just to go and try it.
• 23:33
  No, it's not. Do you have those to taste?
• 23:36
  You're so right. I totally agree.
• 23:38
  Is exactly. Same for me here in England,
• 23:40
  like up every now and again, I'll try a local beer, just in
• 23:43
  case. But it again, it's all it's all
• 23:46
  down to the water. If the water is bad in the
• 23:48
  region the beer, it doesn't matter what you do to it, it
• 23:51
  will still taste disgusting. So yeah, it's a real hit and
• 23:57
  miss with that but I don't know. Like sometimes they can taste.
• 24:00
  All right. Maybe it's the occasion Janome.
• 24:03
  It's sometimes like I'll just sit there and have like a
• 24:05
  Foster's in a pub Garden, on a sunny day.
• 24:07
  And that just feels Like Bliss but then I wonder is it more
• 24:10
  about the experience than the beer?
• 24:11
  Maybe I'm forgetting that the beer is is bad and I'm just
• 24:14
  enjoying the day, you know. It's like yeah just living the
• 24:18
  life at the moment. Yeah.
• 24:21
  Anyway at some point, I started discovering how many types of
• 24:25
  ALU actually producing United Kingdom and that was a huge
• 24:31
  number of I was like, wow, I'm so I wanted to taste that I will
• 24:36
  have to live there for a while that's the But I'm surprised we
• 24:39
  don't push that more as a country.
• 24:41
  Like, when I discovered, how many good ales that we have here
• 24:46
  in this country, I was blown away.
• 24:48
  I was like, wow, this is amazing, why are we not like
• 24:50
  making more of a big deal of this?
• 24:52
  Like, this is fantastic and there's other things, as well,
• 24:55
  not just that. Like, if you go to certain parts
• 24:57
  of the country, like are used Evan as an example.
• 25:00
  Because I've been there before, I remember trying things like,
• 25:03
  like a fudge handmade fudge, and like handmade ice cream.
• 25:08
  And it was amazed it still to this day, the best fudge or ice
• 25:12
  cream. I've had anywhere in the world
• 25:15
  and I always put I put it down to what, maybe local ingredients
• 25:19
  but also just the fact that it's homemade and it's done with care
• 25:23
  and you know what I mean? Like anything that's Mass
• 25:25
  manufactured can never, you know.
• 25:28
  It can never compare to just you know stuff that's made handmade
• 25:36
  in a particular region, I don't know.
• 25:37
  There's just In about handmade. Yeah, they kind of try to unify
• 25:45
  the process of making the thing and by while the process of
• 25:49
  making the thing that has to allow some sort of chaos during
• 25:53
  the thing you produce, right? Yeah, you can have those in a
• 25:59
  big factories. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:02
  It's always sad. Isn't it when things get Mass
• 26:04
  manufactured? Like it's rare, that it will
• 26:06
  continue to be As amazing as it was.
• 26:10
  I mean, I suppose you can do it, you can do it.
• 26:12
  If it's still handmade. I think if you just have a mass
• 26:16
  handmade situation then that can kind of work, but then it makes
• 26:20
  your product, very limited janata mean, but then I don't
• 26:23
  know, maybe that's a good thing, maybe, maybe very expensive.
• 26:26
  Yeah, yeah, maybe that's a good thing though.
• 26:28
  You know? Like they often say, don't know
• 26:30
  either, you know, like the Finer Things in life typically are
• 26:33
  worth the money, but not everything.
• 26:36
  Some things are just overpriced, but a lot of things But good
• 26:39
  quality alcohol is bring it back.
• 26:41
  Like, that's a perfect example that I'm fully happy to pay over
• 26:46
  the odds for a fantastic cast, whiskey from Scotland because I
• 26:50
  know that it's good quality. Yeah.
• 26:52
  But then when I go to like a local bar and I see an
• 26:55
  overpriced whiskey there, and I know it's just another chemical
• 26:59
  tasting thing. And the only thing I'm paying
• 27:00
  for is the brand, I get annoyed. I get insulted.
• 27:02
  That that's the price. Is that?
• 27:04
  Hi? I'm like like this is not good.
• 27:07
  Like you can't, you can't. Sell me on this.
• 27:09
  This is terrible do better. They still try, of course, of
• 27:14
  course, I mean that's just sales but they are you gonna try to
• 27:19
  know? But I know it's gonna taste but
• 27:21
  you're gonna drive, you cannot say that you before you try to,
• 27:24
  okay? Let me try it.
• 27:25
  Okay. Bad state but I sold you one.
• 27:30
  I kill you. Son of a gun.
• 27:32
  Yeah, I see in that scenario, I would be like give me give me a
• 27:35
  free sample. That's why, of course.
• 27:38
  Yeah, they really want to sell it to me and they and they are
• 27:41
  serious. Give me a free sample.
• 27:43
  Give me a free shot. Let me taste the goods before
• 27:46
  you try and pop them off on me. That's the best way to make
• 27:49
  sales. You know, I used to work as a
• 27:51
  bartender for about a year and I would often do that if people
• 27:55
  were unsure and they didn't know, I would just get like,
• 27:58
  half shots about two or three of them from each of the different
• 28:01
  alcohols and I'll just pour a little bit, I'd be like try some
• 28:05
  and here's the thing. The reason that that works
• 28:08
  because people like tight business owners would be like,
• 28:11
  oh no, what are you doing? You can't give away free alcohol
• 28:13
  but what they're forgetting is like, how much we charge per
• 28:16
  shot. It's ridiculous.
• 28:17
  Like sometimes you charge that's just it was a four-star
• 28:20
  restaurant Hotel bar, whatever. So we were charging light, often
• 28:25
  10 pounds or more for one shot, right?
• 28:28
  So, no, that's the thing. I know I can get a lot of money
• 28:31
  from these people. At one time, we did that.
• 28:32
  We had a group of businessmen in there.
• 28:35
  And I did that I gave them Some free samples, they were like,
• 28:39
  okay, we want this one. I think it was called lug of
• 28:42
  ruling. It's like a Dutch whiskey or
• 28:45
  something. And, you know, a whole bottle is
• 28:48
  like, I think it's like 100 pounds 8 pounds, something like
• 28:51
  that, but since we're charging per shot, you know, you get hell
• 28:54
  of a lot more from it. So we made like, if with it
• 28:57
  within, I would say an owl, we made like 300 pounds from them.
• 29:02
  You know? I mean, it's just, wow, that's
• 29:05
  the thing like that. Thing about that is that we
• 29:07
  haven't condom, you know, I mean, I was fair, I gave them a
• 29:11
  shot. They were like, this is good,
• 29:13
  and they bought it of their own accord.
• 29:15
  They just kept ordering it in an amine.
• 29:16
  So I didn't have to do anything else.
• 29:18
  Like I let the alcohol speak for itself and that's how you sell
• 29:22
  alcohol. You don't try.
• 29:23
  And con people be like by this, you'll love it.
• 29:25
  And then they hate it and they're like, oh well, at least
• 29:27
  you bought it and it's like screw you, dude, that come on.
• 29:31
  Yeah, you got you gotta kinda reminds me of that same
• 29:35
  situation kind of reminds me of For the current situation with
• 29:40
  video games, that's just my pet peeve.
• 29:44
  I'm just going to explain that, you know, everybody is crazy
• 29:47
  about trailers right now, trailers and pre-orders, like,
• 29:50
  check out our Graphics, you know, like remember good old
• 29:54
  days when you just handed out demos of your game.
• 29:57
  I try this out one level. Try this one chapter try this,
• 30:01
  some of the game just a slice of the game, but if you like, they
• 30:04
  do by still, they do still offer those.
• 30:06
  Sometimes though, but that does sometimes sometimes and you can
• 30:11
  definitely say that quite a lot of them don't like any other
• 30:16
  Assassin's Creed. Well, I mean, I understand why
• 30:18
  ISIS group doesn't do demos because what else you gonna
• 30:22
  sell? There is the same Assassin's
• 30:23
  Creed just with the different characters or something like
• 30:30
  that but seriously, the free samples can sell quite a lot of
• 30:35
  stuff. Yeah.
• 30:36
  The free just alcohol it and it can sell a lot of stuff.
• 30:41
  The freemium model in general is is excellent.
• 30:44
  Like I mean, I think I think with the whole demo game
• 30:49
  concept, just give the first level of the game, you know?
• 30:51
  I mean, and let it speak for itself.
• 30:53
  I think that's excellent that leaves people wanting for more,
• 30:55
  like I've had that I've played demo is back in back in the
• 30:58
  2000's and it, I was like, oh my God, I need this game and I
• 31:01
  would go and buy it soon as I had money, I'd go and buy.
• 31:03
  It was an excellent tool for that.
• 31:06
  I think, in general, the thing that annoys me more about modern
• 31:09
  games. These days is how you buy the
• 31:11
  base game. But then you have to spend a ton
• 31:15
  of money on all the extras. And I don't get me wrong DLCs,
• 31:19
  the next year's, okay? Yeah, you should pay for them.
• 31:21
  It's a fair model for the most part, but like, when, when the
• 31:25
  game, let's say that you buy the game and it says, you get access
• 31:28
  to this, this, this, this, this and this, right?
• 31:30
  But then you discover later on, oh no, you have to pay for all
• 31:34
  of that, that I don't think is fair like, You have a game, and
• 31:38
  that's the game. And then the deed, the DLC is
• 31:41
  what it is. It's extra levels, it's actually
• 31:42
  characters, okay? Fine, that's clear as day, but
• 31:45
  don't promise me, you know? A to zed and then say, Oh no,
• 31:50
  you get like a 22f to add everything else you have to pay
• 31:56
  for and it's I would no no, you weren't transparent with that.
• 31:59
  That's unfair. Like, you should be transparent
• 32:02
  this stuff like people were still gonna buy it.
• 32:04
  That's true, but just don't screw people over with It.
• 32:06
  And the thing is with this is that there's so much choice in
• 32:09
  the video game industry now and there's so many gamers that
• 32:12
  you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
• 32:13
  If you do something like that but in other centers art, some
• 32:17
  company is a really do get off with it.
• 32:20
  Like, take Electronic Arts the infamous, why they have the
• 32:25
  Monopoly on mostly every sports game ever.
• 32:29
  I think they don't just don't have Monopoly for NBA, but it's
• 32:33
  like, well, your kid likes FIFA. Tough luck.
• 32:37
  You're going to pay us. Yeah, there's kid loves FIFA
• 32:39
  steel. Tough luck weird.
• 32:41
  We're releasing the new game I where you have to pay even more.
• 32:45
  See, I got mixed feelings about this as well because the morale
• 32:49
  the morality side of me says they shouldn't do that.
• 32:52
  It's you know it's horrible like no one should monopolize the
• 32:55
  market. They should be fair to their to
• 32:56
  their customers, right? But the business side of me says
• 33:00
  look they're the only people in the market, really?
• 33:02
  I mean yeah. You got the people doing was it
• 33:04
  Pro Evolution, Soccer or whatever?
• 33:06
  Is, but it doesn't compare to C4 and all the other titles they've
• 33:11
  got under their belt and like people are still going to buy
• 33:15
  fit. It doesn't matter what happened.
• 33:16
  It doesn't matter if people feel like, I'm like it's unfair,
• 33:19
  they're still going to buy the games and he a knows that the
• 33:22
  only reason for EA has really changed things.
• 33:25
  In recent years, is just because of bad press, because bad press
• 33:28
  can affect you. Like, like I said before,
• 33:32
  they'll still get people buying their games, even though they've
• 33:34
  got bad press, sometimes bad press actually, You more sales,
• 33:37
  ironically. But like I think for them,
• 33:41
  they're thinking long-term the thinking, okay, we can do this
• 33:44
  for a certain amount of time, but then we have to change our
• 33:46
  image and actually give, you know, be fairer about this.
• 33:50
  And like probably later down the line, they'll just do it again.
• 33:52
  And then it's probably just a PR tactic.
• 33:54
  They probably just like, do it every couple of years to make
• 33:58
  themselves seem like the good guys and the bad guys and the
• 34:01
  good guys because they know it will bring them more revenue and
• 34:03
  that's what they're always thinking about.
• 34:04
  It's not about what's fair. It's about What brings us more
• 34:07
  Revenue? Hey, that's for sure.
• 34:10
  That's definitely what they're thinking.
• 34:12
  First and foremost, otherwise they wouldn't have decided to
• 34:16
  spew out fee. Fi every year and say, I don't
• 34:21
  know. Oh, remember that famous
• 34:24
  football player you bought last year.
• 34:27
  You cannot transfer by him again and the next year you'll gonna
• 34:31
  buy him again. You like why?
• 34:36
  I got to say sometimes for certain games, I don't know why
• 34:39
  they don't just kind of like, Have everything transferable and
• 34:47
  then that, okay, here's a good example of what I mean.
• 34:53
  So that if you take the WWE 2K Games, right?
• 34:57
  The eye. And I understand that they,
• 34:59
  yeah, I know. They've, they've fallen off the
• 35:00
  deep end with that, latest episode latest game.
• 35:04
  But if you just take the model as it is, like, as I understand
• 35:08
  with every game there's exclusives and they only have a
• 35:11
  license on those people for so long, right?
• 35:14
  But it's like, yeah. This is a billion dollar
• 35:16
  company, right? If they wanted, they could
• 35:18
  afford to to do some sort of thing where you could sort of
• 35:24
  play as anyone. I like there's that there's so
• 35:26
  many things that I'm surprised. They don't know like for
• 35:28
  example, right? It is possible to create
• 35:31
  characters in the game from from you know like what does it
• 35:37
  create a wrestler and you can create you know, wrestlers that
• 35:40
  don't actually wrestle for that company, right?
• 35:42
  And that's cool. And that's all the games even
• 35:44
  before, too. Okay.
• 35:45
  But I don't understand why they don't just create like don't
• 35:51
  don't promote them but create wrestlers from other
• 35:54
  organizations that you can play as unlockable, characters in the
• 35:57
  game and just make money off that germ.
• 36:00
  Maybe they would have to like, do some sort of deal with other
• 36:02
  companies but they could do it and they can make a lot of money
• 36:04
  from doing that. Yeah, they do.
• 36:07
  And it only, they will be lambasted again by a lot of fans
• 36:12
  because oh no, I have to buy them.
• 36:15
  Separately why I didn't ask for no that's fair.
• 36:19
  I think if you buy the base game I don't know.
• 36:21
  And you want unlockable pay like characters as extras.
• 36:24
  I think you you should like because the thing is that's how
• 36:27
  you extend the life of the game. Like I think the problem with
• 36:30
  the 2K series is that there's a game out every single year and I
• 36:35
  don't think they necessarily need to have a game out every
• 36:37
  single year they could just update an existing.
• 36:41
  Like I don't know, it's weird. It kind of It kind of works and
• 36:45
  It doesn't work at the same time if you know what I mean, because
• 36:47
  the trouble with 2K as well is that like and this is the same
• 36:50
  with like pretty much any football game.
• 36:52
  If you ever play, I mean in football games, we've got better
• 36:54
  now because you can you can download the latest updates.
• 37:00
  So you can actually have teams that, you know, are accurate to
• 37:04
  that time. Whereas back in the day, you
• 37:08
  would always have to season prior because there's no other
• 37:10
  way you could do it. By the time, the game is
• 37:11
  released. Everything's different.
• 37:12
  It's just how transfer window. Yes, work.
• 37:16
  And the same is kinda true of of wrestling.
• 37:18
  Like if you if a wrestling games comes comes out on that
• 37:22
  particular time, you're getting storylines from like six months,
• 37:26
  prior, eight months prior. So let some wrestlers won't even
• 37:28
  look the same anymore. But obviously, the way you get
• 37:32
  around that is downloadable updates where, you know, you get
• 37:37
  accurate versions of the characters as they exist today,
• 37:41
  you know, it is possible. They could also, So I don't know
• 37:47
  if it's licensing but let's call it licensing.
• 37:51
  They could try and license the way certain characters
• 37:55
  especially in wrestling looked at some time of their career.
• 38:01
  Yeah, hmm. And at some point of time, Steve
• 38:04
  Austin was just amazing. I think they I mean like that
• 38:08
  amazing anymore but including him right now, I would kind of
• 38:13
  better pay for Steve. From his hate of the career.
• 38:18
  I mean, they do do this. They do have versions of
• 38:21
  character, but the thing is, they don't here's something that
• 38:24
  frustrates me about those games. It's like, they'll do that.
• 38:27
  They'll offer like three versions of Cain, three versions
• 38:30
  of The Undertaker but they won't give you like the option to get
• 38:32
  all of them. Already have specific one.
• 38:36
  So that what if you don't like any of those versions but what
• 38:38
  if I don't like yeah. Echo 1.
• 38:40
  Take a 99. Take a note.
• 38:42
  He said, what if I want? I don't know. 2007.
• 38:44
  Take, Why can't I have that? Like, you know, I mean, it's,
• 38:47
  it's frustrating because they can do it's not that difficult
• 38:51
  to change the Skins. There is a ninja make that
• 38:54
  possible. Yeah, especially considering you
• 38:57
  don't have to move anything with the signature moves.
• 39:00
  You don't have to move anything with a finishers.
• 39:03
  Everything is going to stay the same.
• 39:05
  Yep. I think it's the gold mine.
• 39:09
  It could be to do with licensing and start like I know that
• 39:12
  that's why wrestlers don't appear from games, get Here's
• 39:15
  the thing. If if, if a game if a wrestler
• 39:18
  appeared in a previous game, why can't you transfer them to the
• 39:22
  next one? And play as them, you know what
• 39:26
  I mean? Like, it's because they're lazy.
• 39:29
  Yeah, I don't get it. Then you could have all the
• 39:32
  fantasy matchups. You want rather than having to
• 39:34
  do create a wrestlers and having like a crappy version of the
• 39:37
  current now, it's actually lazy programming.
• 39:39
  I think that's always a program. Like, I'm 80% sure that's a lazy
• 39:43
  programming. When they have their engine,
• 39:47
  they have their roster, they have their everything.
• 39:50
  And every time they start the next year, WWE, they start from
• 39:58
  scratch, they do not take the code.
• 40:01
  They had they start from scratch.
• 40:02
  Really they have the same engine but they start from scratch
• 40:06
  doing everything, again, that seems point and to me that's
• 40:11
  cheaper at some point. Because the most expensive box
• 40:14
  you get a fixed, those are bugs from the Legacy code, okay?
• 40:20
  But if you start every time from scratch, you kind of have like
• 40:24
  two months, tops to make the game, playable and everything
• 40:28
  else is just polishing polishing potion and of course when you
• 40:31
  polish it is more expensive to polish it.
• 40:34
  So it will work next year and next year after that.
• 40:40
  No it's easier to fix it with a, some kind of half-baked patch
• 40:46
  and call it a day. But next year, you cannot you
• 40:49
  reuse this code, mmm. It's interesting and I suppose,
• 40:54
  every time they do that, they kinda shoot themselves in the
• 40:58
  foot to the because they do not. They cannot allow you to
• 41:03
  transfer your player. It's gonna be very different
• 41:06
  player. Now, they don't use the same
• 41:08
  code, they don't use the same model, they reworked everything.
• 41:13
  So you do you have much involvement or knowledge of
• 41:17
  games development, you sound like you know a little bit about
• 41:19
  about that area. Yeah worked for some time.
• 41:22
  The game development company here.
• 41:26
  Cool it's more about that. I had it was a little fun time
• 41:31
  hey I don't know if you ever heard about that there was a
• 41:38
  project let's call it a pet project of some, some one person
• 41:44
  who decided like I want to have the something like the toll
• 41:50
  simulation of the Aircrafts from the World War Two?
• 41:55
  Hmm, kinda like il-2 sturmovik was four when it came out but
• 42:04
  the guy wanted to make it multiplayer to have dogfights to
• 42:08
  have the squads to have all kinds of modern stuff there.
• 42:12
  Eventually they made a production eventually they
• 42:16
  decided to go for Unity. And again, eventually they
• 42:22
  acquired I'm sort of manager, who said, you know, what's you
• 42:25
  know, what's hot just really hot right now?
• 42:29
  Battle Royale Battle Royale, genres are very hot.
• 42:34
  They're just going to be the thing for next.
• 42:35
  Several years. And then people who were
• 42:39
  developing that they were like shooter scrap.
• 42:42
  All the thing we do, Okay, apparently they had two and they
• 42:49
  decided to make the Battle Royale on, aircrafts from World
• 42:54
  War Two. Which is not so really.
• 42:59
  That's because of the of investor wanted the simulation,
• 43:03
  the Battle Royale is inherently arcade mode and kinda marry
• 43:09
  those two riding any case. Yeah, I mean it didn't go well.
• 43:14
  Okay, what up it kinda ended was a body you can still play the
• 43:21
  demo, kind of demo. It's More of a MVP version of
• 43:27
  the Battle Royale. It's I suppose, it was still
• 43:30
  available on Android if nobody took it down.
• 43:34
  Why did he was walk out though? Because they didn't even really
• 43:40
  see it because after the battle royale became a thing and
• 43:44
  everything started working for like, okay, this is Battle
• 43:47
  Royale, we can work this out. This is how it works.
• 43:51
  Investor said like, yeah, kinda sorta, I like that.
• 43:55
  Damn it. Let it be.
• 43:57
  He wasn't very sure about if he likes it or not like spicy.
• 44:01
  This is what you need to do your research as a businessman.
• 44:04
  I can't believe, I don't understand that if, if someone
• 44:07
  is telling you hey this is really popular right now.
• 44:10
  Like to me, I would hear all chance to make a lot of money
• 44:15
  because a lot of people are doing this right now.
• 44:17
  I'm gonna do my research, get some or either myself or get
• 44:21
  like a statistician to do it for me.
• 44:22
  Get some data. Pull up some graphs.
• 44:25
  Find out how much money this could potentially make me, why
• 44:27
  would you and also, why would you pump your money into a
• 44:30
  budget? And it'll be that.
• 44:31
  Nah, let's just leave it. Like what?
• 44:35
  I get your attention. I think it was just a passion
• 44:37
  project and the guy wanted to have his own version of the
• 44:41
  game, but then somebody said, oh, we have a business
• 44:45
  opportunity that only because I, but that's my passion project.
• 44:48
  Oh, that's different. Then again, I have to feed all
• 44:50
  the people in this company. Well let's go for the business
• 44:53
  side. Note for the passionate side.
• 44:55
  And it ended up. If I remember correctly, it
• 44:59
  ended up War, Thunder made its own by the real rules.
• 45:05
  They already have the engine. They already have the airplanes.
• 45:08
  They have a, even the airplanes that could not ever fly, and the
• 45:13
  business opportunity just ended there.
• 45:16
  Who you gonna sell that? Like hi, we're in the game.
• 45:20
  It's like that one game that is free, but we have a requirement
• 45:24
  for us to pay. Money.
• 45:25
  Yeah, it's sorry. So now it didn't work well and
• 45:31
  after that I had several other involvements.
• 45:35
  Well, mostly because I had very many chats with friends who who
• 45:42
  are still in this game development business.
• 45:46
  Well, I just stopped being there because you know being tested in
• 45:49
  game development kills all the fun so you can, you've been a
• 45:54
  Gamester as well. Yeah, to was that because I've
• 45:58
  never met a games tested before. Like, oh that's the most fun.
• 46:02
  Job until you start doing it. Imagine the it does the job
• 46:06
  description. Oh, we have the game and the
• 46:09
  game have Boggs and you have to report those bogs and how deep,
• 46:12
  or, of course, you try and play the game as like, wow, eight
• 46:16
  hours a day. You play a game, then you report
• 46:18
  the bugs you found. That's amazing.
• 46:21
  I'm going to do that, but they fell.
• 46:25
  They just neglect to mention that eight hours, the game,
• 46:28
  eight hours the day. You just do not play the game.
• 46:31
  You play the game properly. And which means that like if
• 46:37
  somebody found a bug or if you found a bug with that, if you
• 46:41
  land in a certain spot on the map, some part of the map just
• 46:45
  disappears and you can see it if you turn camera correctly, it
• 46:50
  doesn't mean like yep, I found it go fix.
• 46:53
  No, it means that it might have the consequences.
• 46:58
  These bog might be not just on the airport.
• 47:01
  It might be anywhere else. You can land, you know.
• 47:04
  Okay, let's try and land everywhere, and you just go
• 47:08
  around, lending everywhere. You're not having fun.
• 47:10
  You're just lending everywhere. Turning the camera, looking at
• 47:13
  everything. At any given moment.
• 47:17
  If anybody asks you, well, you have fun doing that.
• 47:20
  You like, what is fun? Where do we have a fun in our
• 47:23
  game? Well, okay times Devil's,
• 47:27
  Advocate first for a second, like, yes it is.
• 47:30
  It what is it? Well, paid, but job, you know, I
• 47:33
  mean, you know, we've already okay.
• 47:36
  No, it's not, well, paid, it's the entry level for the game
• 47:39
  development. Game development itself has
• 47:42
  quite a lot of volunteering persons, like, every person Some
• 47:46
  from high school, they want to become in game development.
• 47:50
  Somebody and the most entry position is game tester.
• 47:55
  After that, you can go to the Q&A but it's still enter
• 47:57
  position. Hmm, if you're going to into the
• 48:02
  cold, checking into kind of system, integration testing in
• 48:06
  the in your game until then which requires the proper
• 48:10
  education, until then everything, considered an entry
• 48:14
  position. So what's the difference between
• 48:20
  being a games testing and being a Q&A?
• 48:22
  So that's a quality assurance, isn't it?
• 48:24
  Yeah. During the game tests you kind
• 48:27
  of have extra extra duty while having less duty at all when you
• 48:35
  are QA you kind of have to report every bug.
• 48:38
  That looks like a bug being a game tester.
• 48:42
  You don't have to report every bug ever.
• 48:45
  It's not Our actual job, your actual job is to figure out how
• 48:50
  people play the game. Give a report on how you play
• 48:54
  the game, how it's more convenient to play.
• 48:57
  The game isn't even fun to play the game.
• 49:00
  What do you want to do during the gameplay?
• 49:03
  That's a very subjective question though.
• 49:05
  I mean, do I have for? I mean, will people find fun and
• 49:08
  different things? I mean, for example, GTA 3, when
• 49:12
  it first came out or even just games like That I have
• 49:16
  personally, I loved it but like I think the more fun element to
• 49:20
  it is not actually the story it's always the capabilities.
• 49:23
  How much chaos can I cause, how much craziness?
• 49:26
  Yes, that's the exactly the game.
• 49:28
  Really, and that should not break the game.
• 49:32
  If something happens is usually happens just because nobody
• 49:37
  planned for it, you know, when even if in in those GTA games.
• 49:44
  They started as a vastly different games, but somebody
• 49:48
  said, hey I'm having too much fun wrecking.
• 49:51
  Havoc along this city along this, right?
• 49:54
  And they you know what we can do that, we should do that.
• 49:57
  And that's how GTA one appeared if the legends to be believed.
• 50:03
  They started as the very different game.
• 50:06
  I think it was like more like story about some kind of cop
• 50:12
  related story like detective that To wanted to infiltrate the
• 50:15
  mafia yada yada yada. But no, like you know what's
• 50:19
  fun? Fun is to destroy everything to
• 50:22
  see cars. Blow up.
• 50:25
  And then release it and it was a hit and now we have GTA 5 where
• 50:30
  everything is about destroying everything and bringing more
• 50:34
  caves with you. What do you think about the fact
• 50:37
  that like they haven't released a new version of new installment
• 50:42
  of Grand Theft Auto since 2013? And they keep some really nice
• 50:46
  re-releasing. The same.
• 50:47
  They already have three consoles.
• 50:50
  It's pretty crazy. Isn't the guy and I understand
• 50:52
  like the from the business side of things they're making.
• 50:54
  In just a ton of money from GTA online or the deities and stuff
• 50:58
  like that. So I don't understand to some
• 51:00
  extent. But what do you make of that?
• 51:02
  I what's your opinion on that? Am I being that was just,
• 51:07
  they're comfortable with that. They don't want to release
• 51:11
  anything else because there's less risk from the business.
• 51:15
  Standpoint less risk from the game publisher standpoint and
• 51:20
  less risk from just rolling the whole different product on the
• 51:26
  market standpoint. Because you know when you
• 51:29
  release the game, you may or may not like it when you release the
• 51:33
  GTA. 5 on next generation of consoles.
• 51:36
  You know there will be people liking it.
• 51:39
  There are already people liking it.
• 51:41
  You'd have no risk. I'm surprised that people still
• 51:44
  play like play it though. Like I understand it's because
• 51:47
  of the GTA online but like, yeah, really can it really have
• 51:51
  been that good for like eight years straight?
• 51:54
  I think it's a yeah, is going like a short eventually?
• 51:57
  It's got a kind of given you and you just get bored of it.
• 52:00
  Like, I'm I was surprised after the first couple of years after
• 52:03
  the game. Typically with these releases
• 52:06
  you know you've got like maybe say a freely five-year window
• 52:10
  maybe a little bit less and then eventually you need to release a
• 52:13
  new game and there's always people talking like oh we need
• 52:15
  GTA 6, we need you to success and I think they don't really
• 52:19
  need GTA 6. I know.
• 52:21
  I think, I think we do now. I mean you eventually you need
• 52:24
  to give people something new to work with General.
• 52:27
  I mean like unique because actually people would have been
• 52:30
  quite fine if they just decided to go with a GTA 5 engine, and
• 52:36
  just so different story. Different city, different
• 52:39
  everything. Yeah.
• 52:40
  But okay. Straightaway different city.
• 52:42
  So new game then extent. You're like, I get what you're
• 52:47
  saying that you extend with the same engine.
• 52:50
  Yeah. But I mean I'm not I don't have
• 52:52
  any qualms about the engine, whatever, like you can do, you
• 52:56
  know, more contact with the same engine and doesn't really change
• 53:00
  it. That's true.
• 53:01
  I'm just talking about like, Because when you release a new
• 53:05
  game, it's not just about the new content.
• 53:06
  It's about yeah, things like fixing the issues, you have with
• 53:11
  the previous engine and you know and also Givens people someone
• 53:17
  else to work with. Like a lot of people say that
• 53:19
  the new GTA 6 should be a revisit to Vice City and I think
• 53:25
  that oh yeah that would be interesting, I think It would be
• 53:32
  fun in the HD but I actually think that it would be more
• 53:36
  interesting if they went in a different direction and maybe
• 53:38
  did like the 70s, something like that and that's true.
• 53:42
  So I mean they've tried to do that in GTA 1 London.
• 53:45
  Expect for yeah but there's a line dude it's look I'll be
• 53:49
  honest controversial Bishop McClendon.
• 53:52
  I don't you. Well yeah, that would be amazing
• 53:55
  but I don't think I'll ever do that.
• 53:58
  I don't think there's enough of a market there for that.
• 54:03
  As sad as it sounds, I think people wouldn't be as interested
• 54:06
  in a GTA London, HD game. And they've kind of already done
• 54:10
  that with like Watch Dogs. Haven't they or whatever it is?
• 54:14
  Because I think there's a version of it that's based in
• 54:16
  the UK. Yeah, the latest installment,
• 54:19
  right? Kind of Watch.
• 54:21
  Dogs is a Miss after Miss after Miss, I have no idea.
• 54:25
  I mean, I understand that there are people who are interested in
• 54:29
  this in these kind of games, like, when you A hacker and
• 54:33
  everybody's just your playground and you're such a serious
• 54:38
  hacker. I mean, with the first game they
• 54:42
  were going for Hackers from the movie hackers.
• 54:47
  They were going for that feel like these are people in trench
• 54:50
  coats, they have everything to hide their dangerous, the Cyber
• 54:57
  police is upon them and stuff like that, you know, the goofy
• 55:01
  thing. NG just they were taking it too.
• 55:04
  Seriously, it's fine. I'm completely fine with it but
• 55:10
  they did not add enough. Goofiness mean, even the movie
• 55:14
  hackers had their own moments of goofiness but no Watchdogs one
• 55:19
  had known then. They decided to go like 180 and
• 55:24
  the next Watch Dogs. The two second part was about
• 55:28
  the Hipster who is kind of sort of hacker but Really.
• 55:32
  He is most of like a hip person who likes to tell take selfies,
• 55:38
  pilot his drone and have a I don't know, time of his life I
• 55:43
  guess. Because I have seriously, they
• 55:46
  have troubles to understand what this guy is doing for life.
• 55:50
  They probably just did more research, Jenna mean.
• 55:53
  So it sounds like the first installment they just didn't do
• 55:55
  as much research and kind of just yeah has been with the
• 55:58
  over. Did it again.
• 55:59
  They overdid it, it was not funny.
• 56:02
  And that was again, to serious. As I got that serious.
• 56:06
  It's our guy. I think that subject and then
• 56:08
  everyone has a different idea of what they enjoy and that's a
• 56:10
  possibility, but I can take in my defense.
• 56:16
  One thing. In the third installment, the
• 56:18
  legion one, they went back to 0. We are serious.
• 56:21
  We are working against the system.
• 56:23
  We're not the Hipster guys were very serious there.
• 56:27
  The one that is set up in London.
• 56:30
  Yeah so I mean I would consider that as yeah they didn't add
• 56:36
  enough something I would like to see a game set in London or the
• 56:42
  UK. I think the UK has a lot of cool
• 56:44
  areas that would really work for like a Grand Theft Auto Style
• 56:49
  game. I think the last game the really
• 56:54
  did it well In recent memory is probably to get away and that's
• 57:00
  an old game back in was looking like, 2,000 only 2000s, but the
• 57:06
  best thing about it was it was, it was, you know, accurate to
• 57:09
  the time. And it was set in London, and
• 57:12
  many of the maps looked, you know, it was accurate to like
• 57:18
  modern London. It was really cool.
• 57:21
  No, it was just a shame, you can more with it and there wasn't
• 57:24
  more interactivity. It wasn't quite like it was
• 57:26
  open. It wasn't like, you still had to
• 57:28
  sort of operate within the context of the story line.
• 57:33
  But so there wasn't much interactivity as far as that I
• 57:37
  don't know. Going into stop shops doing
• 57:39
  activities, that sort of thing. So that would be cool to see in
• 57:43
  a modern game. But again, you know what, I
• 57:45
  think the reason they don't do it is because there isn't as
• 57:48
  much relatability. I think American culture seems
• 57:52
  to have more of a worldwide appeal and people seem to be
• 57:55
  more familiar with it internationally.
• 57:56
  Whereas British culture. Maybe it's still like a people
• 58:00
  love Britain, but maybe it's still not quite as universally
• 58:05
  appealing as us. That's my theory.
• 58:08
  I could be really wrong on that, but I reckon that's why they
• 58:10
  don't do it because it is a guy would actually agree with you on
• 58:13
  that theory. I had to learn quite a lot of
• 58:18
  more and British attitude more modern.
• 58:23
  British Traditions just again about more than Britain because
• 58:29
  everything will Learned was I think from the time when I don't
• 58:36
  know, maybe from the Soviet Union even wow.
• 58:41
  That was like very long time ago.
• 58:46
  Let's move things forward. What are you what do you do for
• 58:50
  a living? What's your job?
• 58:53
  I write code that tests other code.
• 58:58
  So code, programmer, coder was it's kind of like,
• 59:03
  automatization automation. He a QA tester of.
• 59:11
  I don't know kind of person who just to writes the code that
• 59:15
  runs and shows other people that their code might not work as
• 59:19
  they as it was intended to. Okay.
• 59:23
  So kind of like a You're the guy that people come to yeah when
• 59:28
  they want to kind of check for mistakes.
• 59:30
  Check if check if something works properly.
• 59:33
  I guess like a tester. Yeah, code tester.
• 59:36
  She said yeah, rather just a regular tester because sometimes
• 59:42
  people can ask like, check out this code in the language.
• 59:46
  I am not familiar with and I just like, what does it have to
• 59:50
  do? Or does it have to do out?
• 59:52
  Like okay, then I write the test cases, then I execute Synthetic.
• 59:56
  You know, that time you said that if you pass this data into
• 1:00:01
  your code you get this, you know what, you don't get anything.
• 1:00:05
  Oh nice thanks so what are the best and worst things about
• 1:00:09
  being a coder. Best thing is when your code
• 1:00:15
  Works naturally. Of course they just imagine your
• 1:00:20
  wrote a bunch of code. You did not test this.
• 1:00:23
  Cody just wrote it, then you're right.
• 1:00:25
  And just works like oh that's the best feeling in the world.
• 1:00:30
  I go to me. That's the best thing about it.
• 1:00:34
  The worst thing is just it gets you.
• 1:00:40
  You do a lot of tedious work. It could get boring really
• 1:00:45
  quickly because most of the times you just reuse your old
• 1:00:50
  code. So yeah, it's very repetitive.
• 1:00:56
  And even if you don't reuse your own code, you're just writing
• 1:00:59
  the same old code, but with just a different, maybe different
• 1:01:03
  parameters, maybe different outcome, maybe something else
• 1:01:07
  different. But for most of the time, it's
• 1:01:09
  just very repetitive. But it's fine.
• 1:01:14
  So you're also a twitch streamer.
• 1:01:19
  So tell us about this quack pack streamer team that you're a
• 1:01:24
  member of what exactly is all then.
• 1:01:29
  That was a funny finding how was discovered by a person who goes
• 1:01:36
  by twitch handle duck plague. I go by mr.
• 1:01:40
  Angry ducky. And his duck plague.
• 1:01:42
  So it's an exemption mcduck's like what, what's the deal?
• 1:01:46
  But you kind of get the idea. Like, we're both fashion
• 1:01:50
  fascinated with ducks. Why we all have our own reasons?
• 1:01:57
  I don't know. I just like ducks.
• 1:01:58
  I do associate myself with a duck.
• 1:02:02
  How, how do you switch it yourself with a duck?
• 1:02:05
  It happened to at some point way back in my life.
• 1:02:09
  Life when you know the kids in their early days they have some
• 1:02:16
  Fashion Nation with animals and so on.
• 1:02:20
  So my daughter at some point I decided to name everybody an
• 1:02:28
  animal and I became a duck And since that point I decided like
• 1:02:36
  well you know how they say? If it was said by child, it
• 1:02:40
  might be true. I will go on with a duck, fair
• 1:02:45
  enough. If it works, it works, I guess
• 1:02:47
  mostly because I can I think it was mostly because we had a huge
• 1:02:55
  collection of rubber ducks just because we had a huge collection
• 1:02:59
  of rubber ducks. Nothing personal, really it
• 1:03:02
  became personal after that. I just left tax ducks.
• 1:03:07
  Ducks good. Yeah, it, you cannot not love
• 1:03:11
  Ducks stray. Dogs are cool.
• 1:03:13
  Toxic. Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:15
  So, like, with your Twitch streaming, your what exactly is
• 1:03:20
  this sort of interrupted you before?
• 1:03:23
  What exactly does the quack pack extreme?
• 1:03:26
  It's sort of team do. Like I was just just a regular
• 1:03:30
  streamer team that was centered around ducks.
• 1:03:36
  Well, the initiator of the stream team as I told you
• 1:03:40
  already. It was duck plague.
• 1:03:42
  He's actually partnered on Twitch and he's an artist and
• 1:03:48
  sometimes his dreams his art while he's drawing some things
• 1:03:53
  and sometimes he streams games being played he's from Sweden
• 1:03:59
  actually cool which is fun. But when he found me, I was
• 1:04:06
  like, dude, you're seriously in the quack pack, how am I not in
• 1:04:10
  a quack pack? He's like, I don't know.
• 1:04:12
  Why are you not in the quack pack yet?
• 1:04:16
  Okay, it's like it's like we just had to, like to, I like
• 1:04:19
  ducks. Do you like ducks?
• 1:04:20
  Yes. Okay then, let's love dogs
• 1:04:22
  together. Like, let's be friends because
• 1:04:26
  we both have Ducks. Yeah, let's share our love of
• 1:04:29
  darks. Also, ducks are tasty.
• 1:04:37
  What disagreed to consider that too?
• 1:04:40
  This is makes me one doctor. I'm not ducking years.
• 1:04:43
  Doc is good. I've had one in a row, fairly
• 1:04:46
  recently like a month ago. So good.
• 1:04:51
  How could you, you say you love ducks.
• 1:04:54
  Eat, eat them. What's right?
• 1:04:55
  What's wrong with you? They're tasty.
• 1:04:58
  I'll have them in any form. If in a roasted duck roasted,
• 1:05:05
  how could you? The with a huge appetite.
• 1:05:11
  So you also play retro games. Such as yeah.
• 1:05:15
  Need For Speed, Most Wanted one of my favorite games and the new
• 1:05:18
  games like cyberpunk 2077. So tell us about your Twitch
• 1:05:22
  streaming your likes dislikes, and which you prefer old or new
• 1:05:26
  games, oh, that's a tough question, mostly, because I
• 1:05:33
  prefer games with a really good story.
• 1:05:35
  As you mentioned to our, you didn't mention all of those
• 1:05:39
  things, I play on streams, they Are mostly single player.
• 1:05:43
  I kinda tried to stream multiplayer games but they're
• 1:05:48
  not for me. I kind of have on during the
• 1:05:53
  twitch streams I found out that I have trust issues when
• 1:05:56
  somebody comes over on stream, to me while I'm playing
• 1:05:59
  multiplayer games like hi I see I saw your stream how about I
• 1:06:05
  give you something like okay I don't trust you dude, can I
• 1:06:08
  block you please? That's the thing I found out.
• 1:06:11
  Out, I don't know. Just I don't trust people.
• 1:06:17
  First thing I consider the, he's gonna he's going to play an epic
• 1:06:21
  prank on me and then they just share the resources.
• 1:06:25
  Like What is wrong with you? Why didn't you play a big prank
• 1:06:29
  on me? I was ready to accept something
• 1:06:32
  you being nice. People are nice and what are you
• 1:06:35
  doing? What are you doing?
• 1:06:37
  Like, what kind of sorcery is that?
• 1:06:39
  Why are you nice? What is wrong with this world?
• 1:06:43
  So, you know, living in the Eastern Europe.
• 1:06:49
  When people come over to you and being nice and like, what is
• 1:06:52
  wrong with? You just assume.
• 1:06:53
  What do you want? What do you want from me?
• 1:06:57
  But then again, everything else single player games with great
• 1:07:01
  stories. Okay, not great stories.
• 1:07:04
  If we're talking about the most Wanted with great gameplay, and
• 1:07:08
  at least some story, at least has some story mode in Need for
• 1:07:12
  Speed. Most Wanted from 2012.
• 1:07:17
  It didn't have any story at all, they re-released it and they
• 1:07:21
  realized it to iPad of consoles every console.
• 1:07:25
  Ever the PC. They released it everywhere, and
• 1:07:29
  they just decided to name it. Most Wanted not even Most Wanted
• 1:07:33
  to, and the the whole premise of the game was, oh, hey, there is
• 1:07:38
  a most wanted list. Go to the top Place.
• 1:07:42
  Cool, that's boring. That's it.
• 1:07:45
  Well, what made the original game?
• 1:07:47
  So, fun was to chase us with the police and how much money you
• 1:07:49
  could rack up in terms of being the Most Wanted, as they, how
• 1:07:52
  much Carly and I cause it's got amazing game.
• 1:07:55
  Mmmmm and, and what kept you going in the first place?
• 1:07:59
  When you just started this game was the fact that you didn't
• 1:08:03
  like the police. You didn't have any good
• 1:08:06
  feelings towards the police because a first encounter with
• 1:08:09
  the police was finished. Like that, one policeman actor
• 1:08:15
  taking out the key and scratching your car long really?
• 1:08:20
  Oh, I hate you. Now every policeman is my enemy.
• 1:08:24
  I don't like it. It was because I don't normally
• 1:08:28
  like racing games. If I'm honest, I'm not a big fan
• 1:08:30
  but like the way that that story was done was just really
• 1:08:33
  intelligent and it made sense. Yes.
• 1:08:36
  And it was like, it still functions perfectly as a
• 1:08:39
  standard racing game, but it kind of raises the stakes and
• 1:08:43
  makes it much harder and much more enjoyable as a result, I
• 1:08:47
  think. Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  And then they just takes away everything in the end or when
• 1:08:53
  you learn that that a razor Of the, the most dangerous boy in
• 1:08:57
  the hood, his name is Clarence. It's kind of destroys all the
• 1:09:05
  all the character of that big, dangerous guy.
• 1:09:10
  No. Not a single dangerous guy is
• 1:09:12
  called Clarence. How many guys called Clarence,
• 1:09:17
  you know, who are living a secret life of a street racer or
• 1:09:22
  just having any kind of trouble with the police.
• 1:09:25
  If it's be felt like I'd even if I, what if I did have a double
• 1:09:28
  life, I'm not gonna You know me, I'm gonna call myself something
• 1:09:31
  cool to me, feel? Yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah. I'm not gonna kill myself like,
• 1:09:35
  but a cop or something. Like, oh, but that would be the
• 1:09:39
  first mistake a rookie mistake because who's gonna be scared of
• 1:09:44
  the Buttercup. They're not gonna give you this
• 1:09:46
  one point -, but that's my point is like I'm not gonna do that.
• 1:09:49
  I'm gonna get myself. Some fearful names.
• 1:09:50
  Even if my original name is like something silly or like I would,
• 1:09:55
  I would call myself a buttercup. I would call myself sweetheart
• 1:10:00
  because I'm gonna win this puppy to squeeze off but puppy puppies
• 1:10:04
  and kittens puppy kitten or something.
• 1:10:06
  Yes, fluffy duckling, there we go.
• 1:10:10
  Fluffy Douglas. Yeah, he's that's the perfect
• 1:10:13
  name, he's the most feared man in Europe.
• 1:10:17
  And he goes by the name. Fluffy chuckling.
• 1:10:24
  Don't dun dun. Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Exactly how cool would that be? That would actually be clicked
• 1:10:34
  on me. Yeah but everybody can be scary
• 1:10:38
  when they're called razor or Mike.
• 1:10:41
  The murder but try to be scary when you're called The Fluffy
• 1:10:45
  duckling. That's an achievement acute
• 1:10:49
  care. Yeah, fluffy puppy.
• 1:10:59
  And the fun part is that sometimes you can get the good
• 1:11:03
  story in the games only if you go retro or just the Indie
• 1:11:08
  Games, most of the time when you open up some kind of modern next
• 1:11:15
  big thing, there's going to be some story but it's Going to be
• 1:11:20
  some epic story, it's not going to be some story that just
• 1:11:23
  clicks together and you're gonna, you wanna find the better
• 1:11:29
  Stories, the stories that will challenge you, the stories that
• 1:11:31
  will tell you something new, the stories that will tell you
• 1:11:34
  something interesting and you kind of have limited options
• 1:11:38
  there. You either go, Witcher 3 or you
• 1:11:42
  go search for some kind of older games.
• 1:11:47
  Like, I don't know if you heard Over there is a game called
• 1:11:52
  anachronox. No it was the developed by Tom
• 1:11:59
  Hall, I think. Yeah I think it was Tom Hall.
• 1:12:04
  Also about, that's like Western take at the jrpg genre.
• 1:12:15
  Like Japanese RPGs. They're famous for sometimes
• 1:12:18
  like standing in the line while I take in each other and who
• 1:12:23
  Falls first loses, you know those Final Fantasy rules, you
• 1:12:26
  just stay in the line. Enemy attacks, you take heat,
• 1:12:31
  you attack, enemy takes hit and Dies losses.
• 1:12:37
  And that was the attempt to make a jrpg kind of a jrpg, but in
• 1:12:44
  the Western in the western style and was a good idea, it was, it
• 1:12:51
  was done very Tastefully. The only problem there is that
• 1:12:57
  for your first playthrough, you will require the wiki for
• 1:13:02
  several times. Most of the times because it was
• 1:13:06
  not designed to be casually played, because it's like, oh,
• 1:13:11
  I'm not giving 100% for this game.
• 1:13:13
  It's it's not, it's not serious, it's silly but yeah, it's it is
• 1:13:19
  silly. The fun fact, it is seal.
• 1:13:21
  It never takes itself too serious.
• 1:13:23
  At some point of this game. You rescue the whole planet and
• 1:13:28
  the planet decides to join you. People on the planet, voted to
• 1:13:33
  join you to join your party. It's cool.
• 1:13:38
  You have a planet size of a human being, just a, just a
• 1:13:43
  planet. Fun.
• 1:13:47
  Let's move it forward. So you're the host of the
• 1:13:51
  ducking games podcast, podcast about video games, why did you
• 1:13:56
  choose to start this podcast and what sort of topics do you tend
• 1:14:00
  to discuss on the show? Well, I started this podcast
• 1:14:05
  because I wanted to tell people about video games, I kind of saw
• 1:14:11
  a lot of shows that were about contemporary scandals in video
• 1:14:17
  game industry like oh you heard those guys, they they effed up.
• 1:14:23
  Hey, but what about their game is the game, any good?
• 1:14:27
  Okay, they act up in the PR department, but is the game good
• 1:14:31
  because Sometimes you can have fun with a bad games, sometimes
• 1:14:36
  you can be bored by really good games strewn.
• 1:14:40
  In the end of the day, is just what experience you had with it.
• 1:14:44
  The main idea, I'm trying to push, there is some games are
• 1:14:49
  good, some games are bad, no matter what other people telling
• 1:14:53
  you like, oh, but it was sold 10 million copies in the first
• 1:14:57
  week, okay? But is it good?
• 1:14:59
  Okay. If it's good, you may not enjoy
• 1:15:02
  it, it's fine. It's alright it's your
• 1:15:04
  experience it's valid. If the game is bad, if the game
• 1:15:07
  is absolute trash and no redeeming factors but you had a
• 1:15:12
  good experience with it. More power to you, it's also
• 1:15:16
  valid. Be aware that some games are
• 1:15:21
  good, some games are bad and it Loosely correlates with whether
• 1:15:27
  you like it or not, what have been.
• 1:15:30
  Some of the main challenges of doing this podcast producing,
• 1:15:33
  this podcast doing the research. Sometimes you have to do a
• 1:15:39
  research, like how they decided to make the certain game, why
• 1:15:45
  they decide to murder to make a certain game.
• 1:15:47
  I'm this way. And, you know, I firmly believe
• 1:15:51
  that every bad decision was made because of something and they
• 1:15:58
  thought of something they wanted to make something good or at
• 1:16:02
  least the wanted to make money at the very least but I try to
• 1:16:07
  find out what led to that decision and the sadly I have to
• 1:16:12
  admit most time than not because the podcast is not very big, not
• 1:16:16
  as big as That I wanted to be not as big as Joe Rogan.
• 1:16:22
  I cannot contact. Most of the developers to ask
• 1:16:25
  them. Why was this decision made?
• 1:16:28
  I have to search for interviews. I have to read the interviews.
• 1:16:32
  I have to wash them. I have to read some other people
• 1:16:35
  who ask them. This is the the part that takes
• 1:16:41
  most of the time like I'm making episode.
• 1:16:45
  I'm recording the episode for like our edited in hour and a
• 1:16:52
  half and another 16 hours goes into research.
• 1:16:59
  That sounds good to me. It sounds similar to what I do.
• 1:17:01
  Like you got to set aside a Time.
• 1:17:03
  The guys you actually read someone's book that they sent me
• 1:17:05
  recently as preparation for their podcast and I've never
• 1:17:08
  gotten that far. Like normally I just do like
• 1:17:12
  research on the person and it depends sometimes it's bit
• 1:17:14
  quicker. Sometimes it's longer depends on
• 1:17:17
  like the types of questions that spring to mind but some are
• 1:17:20
  really obvious. Some are less obvious and the
• 1:17:23
  less information you have on someone the trickier really gets
• 1:17:27
  It's to interview them which is why I Rely so heavily on
• 1:17:31
  ad-libbing and and the conversation itself.
• 1:17:34
  So it's like hopefully it goes better than what you have on
• 1:17:38
  paper. Generally mean it's kind of.
• 1:17:40
  Yes, you always hope is that somebody's going to be more
• 1:17:45
  talkative than you prepared to. Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  Yeah. You hope for that but like you,
• 1:17:50
  you know, it's like sometimes I do research on people and only
• 1:17:53
  fill half the page and I'm like, but this is all I have like I've
• 1:17:56
  got nothing else to go on. What else can I ask him?
• 1:17:58
  So it's like but it never seems to be a problem either.
• 1:18:01
  In my case, I've never noticed that and I guess it's just luck
• 1:18:05
  at this point anyway, moving it forward.
• 1:18:07
  Tell us more about your thoughts on Inked or active mediums and
• 1:18:12
  interactive media. Our interactive medium is is a
• 1:18:17
  broad term at some point interactive medium.
• 1:18:21
  You can say that oh the video games are interactive medium,
• 1:18:26
  that's it. Then again.
• 1:18:28
  What about people just interacting with each other in
• 1:18:33
  VR chat. Okay, those are technically not
• 1:18:36
  a games they don't have gameplay that don't have losing State.
• 1:18:39
  They don't have winning state is just is just environment.
• 1:18:44
  And it's interactive environment and it's a medium.
• 1:18:47
  Then, again, if you just tell in video games, what kind of video
• 1:18:52
  games you're referring to, like there are most of the mainstream
• 1:18:58
  games that have win state law state.
• 1:19:00
  And then there are Cookie Clickers on Facebook and on
• 1:19:03
  mobile phones like all those games.
• 1:19:07
  Can you lose after you go bankrupt?
• 1:19:10
  Technically. Yes, you lose.
• 1:19:11
  If you go bankrupt in real life, Course, you cannot afford any
• 1:19:15
  more microtransactions and you're losing.
• 1:19:17
  Yeah. Then again, how interactive
• 1:19:20
  Cookie Clicker is, if I write a simple python script that clicks
• 1:19:26
  the exact same place time and time again, I'm not interacting
• 1:19:31
  with anything. I'm just sitting there looking
• 1:19:34
  at the cookie being clicked. It's Loosely interactive, but in
• 1:19:40
  any case, you kind of have to consider all of that, Today, he
• 1:19:44
  talked about interactive media, but if you talk about video
• 1:19:48
  games, you can specify like we're talking about the computer
• 1:19:50
  games that are just for consoles species.
• 1:19:55
  And that's it, not touching mobile games.
• 1:19:59
  I he I try to not touch mobile games because one time I worked
• 1:20:03
  with a company that had the mindset of the publisher of the
• 1:20:07
  mobile games and there was unironically person who was
• 1:20:12
  defending The Electronic Arts making a 24 hours countdown, for
• 1:20:19
  some timer was like, what do you expect?
• 1:20:23
  You've gotta pay for that. You're going to pay for that
• 1:20:26
  action and I couldn't get my head around it.
• 1:20:31
  How is it supposed to be? It was a Dungeon Keeper by
• 1:20:35
  Electronic Arts, the mobile game.
• 1:20:37
  If you wanna dig one space of dirt, You gotta waste 24 hours.
• 1:20:44
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you mean.
• 1:20:46
  Yeah. And you know he was unironically
• 1:20:49
  happy with that decision. It was unironically uploading,
• 1:20:53
  Electronic Arts and saying like what is wrong with it?
• 1:20:56
  I don't get it. Okay, they're making money.
• 1:20:59
  Are you talking about this specific scenario?
• 1:21:01
  Where like, you get like a certain amount of like energy
• 1:21:03
  Within game? And then when you use it, if you
• 1:21:06
  want more energy, either have to wait for 24 hours to get more or
• 1:21:10
  you have to pay. Pay to get more energies out
• 1:21:13
  kind of what you mean. Not really Electronic Arts, made
• 1:21:17
  it obvious that you have your imp.
• 1:21:20
  Who is digging the wall 24 hours, but you can feed him
• 1:21:24
  something that can be bought, only with real-life money.
• 1:21:29
  You can feed him and then it takes about 5 minutes.
• 1:21:33
  Okay. So similar.
• 1:21:34
  Yeah. Like you have to pay to get
• 1:21:37
  quicker. Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  Kind of interaction or you have to wait, basically.
• 1:21:42
  Yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, but nevertheless, I
• 1:21:45
  understand that the action actually takes 20 or 24.
• 1:21:49
  Yes, I was not in game. Yes, actual has actual 24 hours,
• 1:21:55
  that's stupid, that's ridiculous, but he was happy
• 1:21:58
  with that. He was actually happy.
• 1:22:00
  He was applying them and saying this is great.
• 1:22:04
  This is best Revenue collection I have ever seen.
• 1:22:09
  I couldn't get my head around that mindset like how how
• 1:22:15
  distanced you have to be from your consumer base to consider
• 1:22:20
  this. Alienation a good decision.
• 1:22:23
  I'm all about making money in business.
• 1:22:25
  Like I've studied business many years so I do understand that
• 1:22:27
  angle but that is just that's not logical like at all that
• 1:22:31
  that's off-putting to anyone playing the game once they
• 1:22:34
  realized straight away, it takes 24 hours to do anything it's
• 1:22:38
  like fuck That, well, I'll go play a game where I've got more
• 1:22:41
  interactivity and I don't have to wait that long like typically
• 1:22:44
  like, you know, I've I'm not ashamed to say I've been in the
• 1:22:47
  past years ago. Addicted to those like Facebook
• 1:22:50
  click games where it's like, Like Candy, Crush Saga or big
• 1:22:56
  one that I was into was a comment but it was Farmville,
• 1:23:01
  but there was a game similar to Farmville.
• 1:23:04
  Some sort of like city-builder type game and I was so addicted
• 1:23:09
  to that. Oh so it's all right.
• 1:23:11
  Yeah I was working on one of those too.
• 1:23:14
  Yeah, but and let me the thing is like with those they were
• 1:23:17
  fair so like certain things would legit take 24 hours but
• 1:23:20
  other things would take like two hours or now. 30 minutes or less
• 1:23:24
  than that. And you and then it's a game.
• 1:23:28
  It was clever in that you would keep coming back, you know, to
• 1:23:31
  check on the status of things and whatnot.
• 1:23:33
  But you could always make some sort of projects like the game
• 1:23:36
  gave you exactly like if you just wanted to play it for free,
• 1:23:39
  it allowed for that. But it positioned the payment
• 1:23:43
  stuff as a way of like either speeding up stuff or giving you
• 1:23:46
  exclusive access to certain things that you couldn't get
• 1:23:49
  otherwise. So it's like you're giving you
• 1:23:51
  giving your customers a Throwing them a boat, and you're being
• 1:23:54
  fair to them. Like not everything has to be
• 1:23:56
  paid and you're if anything you're giving them more
• 1:23:58
  expensive to actually pay for things.
• 1:24:01
  Because, you know, stuff free, said that freemium models you,
• 1:24:04
  give them a choice and they choose to pay you because they
• 1:24:06
  want to have more fun. It's not like you're sitting
• 1:24:09
  there holding their gameplay hostage and saying.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah, exactly. That's and that's basically what
• 1:24:15
  that guy is present in like he thinks our it's a great money.
• 1:24:18
  You spent on it's like yeah but if you're only focused, if
• 1:24:22
  you're making a game No, you're focused on is making money.
• 1:24:24
  The game will fail because you've missed, they're finicky
• 1:24:27
  absolutely like you do. The the game has to be fun.
• 1:24:30
  It's like you said before, like it's all well and good making a
• 1:24:33
  game, but like you got focus on actually, making the game fun.
• 1:24:37
  Is this a fun game to play or is it just something that's
• 1:24:40
  designed by programmers? Because there's a big different
• 1:24:43
  or something designed by even worse CEO?
• 1:24:51
  Okay, I'm gonna give you a real serious question now, by a
• 1:24:55
  school of my guests, this and it always gets unique response.
• 1:25:00
  What's the biggest life lesson that you've learned so far?
• 1:25:09
  Man, I have learned so far so much.
• 1:25:12
  The biggest one. I think the biggest one I would
• 1:25:16
  say that. You have to not believe to not
• 1:25:26
  believe every person who says anything like at some point when
• 1:25:31
  people tell you if you're doing good your manager or your CEO
• 1:25:37
  will will look at you, they will see.
• 1:25:40
  Oh, this guy's good, I should give him a raise.
• 1:25:42
  Everybody tells you that when you're in school or when you're
• 1:25:45
  in college, it never happens, sister, if you're good at your
• 1:25:49
  work, you're going to get more work.
• 1:25:51
  Then somebody says oh if you if you did something, you should
• 1:25:55
  actually go and tell them, they will understand their their
• 1:25:59
  people. They never they will understand,
• 1:26:02
  you will have to go extra mile for them to understand.
• 1:26:05
  So anything people tell you about the rules of how to
• 1:26:10
  interact with other people. It's all false.
• 1:26:13
  I got. This is the biggest lesson I
• 1:26:16
  kind of half this guy thing. It depends with that.
• 1:26:21
  Like sometimes when you're interacting with certain people
• 1:26:26
  certain things, you get told growing up archery.
• 1:26:28
  But yeah, that the what that example you gave is a perfect
• 1:26:31
  example was actually watching a YouTuber that I like earlier
• 1:26:34
  who's talking about this and like I've only ever been given
• 1:26:38
  one, pay Ray. No, I've actually had, I've had
• 1:26:41
  a few pay Rises, but the first ones I had, I didn't work for.
• 1:26:46
  Oh, I did. But like they were in like a
• 1:26:47
  supermarket. So they were like You know,
• 1:26:50
  mini, they were noting that we're still minimum wage
• 1:26:52
  Journal. Mean, it was just the satiated
• 1:26:55
  us, it was like a little like, oh, that's nice.
• 1:26:56
  But it doesn't really help but the actual first proper
• 1:26:59
  pay-rise, I got I asked for and it was bold, they literally,
• 1:27:03
  I've been working for them for like eight months at this point,
• 1:27:06
  but my job had expanded into so much more.
• 1:27:08
  So I started to do this and I ended up doing this and I said
• 1:27:12
  to them like I need to like basically leave and go somewhere
• 1:27:16
  else unless you can give me a pay rise.
• 1:27:19
  And a promotion because I'm just doing loads and not getting paid
• 1:27:22
  for it, and they agreed, and they actually gave me the
• 1:27:25
  promotion, but I think I think I was lucky because I agree with
• 1:27:29
  you. I think that when you think
• 1:27:32
  about getting pay Rises, the only way you really tend to get
• 1:27:36
  pay Rises its by quitting your job and going somewhere that pay
• 1:27:38
  you more. But yeah, there's a reason that
• 1:27:41
  that company has not raised your wages and advertised the role at
• 1:27:46
  that amount. It's because their budget, you
• 1:27:48
  know, mean, The they're trying to make money their business.
• 1:27:52
  So if they stopped you before, hey Rises, they lose money,
• 1:27:54
  right? And it doesn't matter if they
• 1:27:56
  can afford it, it's about making as much money as possible.
• 1:28:00
  Chitin is many costs. You know, I like, I know people
• 1:28:03
  that to romanticize this idea of all, I work for a company and
• 1:28:06
  they care about me and it's a work family and Bubba, but yeah,
• 1:28:09
  they care about you. It's because I do care about
• 1:28:11
  you. They will have to pay their HR
• 1:28:15
  extra if you decide to quit. Well, not really, I mean, from
• 1:28:22
  what I've heard, it doesn't affect me because like, the way
• 1:28:25
  at what I've understood about work, especially corporate is
• 1:28:28
  that like they, they can easily replace you.
• 1:28:31
  You're just a number. Yes.
• 1:28:32
  So they will have to adjust their payment for the current
• 1:28:38
  position, just to the, the current position always Well,
• 1:28:45
  normally always every year is indexed.
• 1:28:49
  To become higher. Yeah, but like that percentage
• 1:28:53
  you're talking about is Tiny. It's like what less than 1% so
• 1:28:57
  like okay if it was 24K last year maybe it's like 24.2 this
• 1:29:03
  year, it's nothing its peanuts. And to be honest here it's more
• 1:29:08
  of something. Okay, well fair enough.
• 1:29:11
  All right you know where it's more like if it was 24 K per
• 1:29:16
  week per year again, I'm I'm not doing with the Certain numbers,
• 1:29:21
  the next year, it might as well be 25k.
• 1:29:27
  And they will have to adjust to that when they're searching for
• 1:29:29
  a new guy. If it has minimal, I mean
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  generally speaking if they want to keep it like below the market
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  average or you know, around the market average they'll just do
• 1:29:42
  that. Like because the thing is if you
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  if you leave and you're not happy They don't care because
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  they'll just find someone exactly who will do it.
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  Like I've most of the companies I've worked for they're trying
• 1:29:55
  to lower it all the time when you when you leave they'll
• 1:29:59
  either get rid of the roll and just work with less people.
• 1:30:02
  I've seen that a lot where they change, they just don't replace
• 1:30:05
  people until they're desperate or they will replace you, but
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  they'll do it for like a third less than what they were paying
• 1:30:14
  you, you know? I mean, that's weird.
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  It's very common. How is he even in business?
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  This is in Europe, as well. This isn't just the UK's Europe
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  as well. I think it's just because they
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  can get away with it, especially in Europe because there's less
• 1:30:29
  stringent rules. So I think that's a big factor.
• 1:30:32
  I haven't seen it as much in the UK from honest.
• 1:30:34
  I've seen more, the the stuff I've seen in the UK has more to
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  do with like screwing people over with like internships and
• 1:30:40
  stuff like that. That's more the oh, yeah.
• 1:30:43
  Okay. But in Europe, it seems to be
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  that like like when I, when I lived in Estonia, Instance that
• 1:30:49
  people would just get fired on the spot like randomly.
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  And I was stunned to see that like how someone who's been
• 1:30:54
  working in the business for like seven years can just get fired?
• 1:30:57
  Like that? I was amazed because a wow,
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  you've just let someone go. Who's got seven years
• 1:31:03
  experience, and you don't care. That's pretty amazing.
• 1:31:06
  Be the fact that they can legally get away with that.
• 1:31:10
  Oh, just blew my mind. I mean, they can do not doing
• 1:31:15
  anything against the law, there are just, yeah, but that's the
• 1:31:18
  thing, you know, Managing the human resource.
• 1:31:20
  It's different in the UK firing. Someone is very difficult.
• 1:31:23
  You have to go through a whole process.
• 1:31:26
  Like this is what I mean, this is why a lot of companies.
• 1:31:29
  You'll sit specially in the UK will do this thing where they'll
• 1:31:32
  all put you on probation. But the probation last a long
• 1:31:35
  time that may be anywhere between three to six months and
• 1:31:38
  the key with that, is that at the end of that, they can just
• 1:31:41
  get rid of you, right? Or they can just sort of like
• 1:31:46
  justify Firing you at the end of it and not having to worry about
• 1:31:51
  it and also paying you probably less because it's the probation
• 1:31:54
  period and stuff. So there's ways they can get
• 1:31:56
  around the house. If they don't like you within
• 1:31:58
  six months, they can they can just fire you and legally.
• 1:32:01
  They're entitled to do that. But after the six months of the
• 1:32:03
  three months firing, you then becomes very difficult because
• 1:32:07
  then you have rights. So then for instance you've got
• 1:32:10
  like the standard system as like a verbal warning written
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  warning. Yeah, final meeting and firing
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  you know but like Then it becomes very difficult to
• 1:32:20
  justify action against you. So it's interesting that I
• 1:32:24
  notice to be honest it's kind of hard here to fire person.
• 1:32:31
  It's much easier to bully a person.
• 1:32:34
  So yeah yeah that's that's I've seen that here in the UK as
• 1:32:38
  well. I like often what will happen is
• 1:32:41
  they'll give you an ultimatum won't there be like well even
• 1:32:44
  you take Rock voluntary redundancy or we fire you like
• 1:32:47
  that's Normally our, they put it to you.
• 1:32:50
  They are something like that and you just bully you into saying,
• 1:32:54
  all right. I quit.
• 1:32:55
  There's was my decision. Yeah.
• 1:32:58
  So then they're legally protected.
• 1:32:59
  I don't know. It's bad anyway.
• 1:33:05
  People are fun. As we draw things to a close for
• 1:33:08
  today. Do you have any upcoming
• 1:33:09
  projects or maybe some final thoughts you'd like to leave our
• 1:33:12
  listeners with? Oh, that's that's a tough one.
• 1:33:18
  So Or I don't have any more projects than I already have.
• 1:33:22
  I kind of stayed in my podcast that I am trying to make some
• 1:33:27
  some sort of my own game. It is not some kind of project
• 1:33:32
  that I'm working on from, I don't know, from the morning
• 1:33:37
  till the night falls. No.
• 1:33:39
  It's so when I have some spare time, I have a lot of things to
• 1:33:44
  learn a lot of mistakes to not. Fall into a lot of traps to not
• 1:33:51
  fall into and why do you need? I do researchers with
• 1:33:56
  podcasting. I do the research in ducking
• 1:33:59
  games podcast, every once in a while, I think it is every third
• 1:34:06
  week. I have an episode.
• 1:34:10
  Next one is going to be about Doom 3, I assume because I have
• 1:34:16
  done a human. Ton of research about that, and
• 1:34:20
  I need to tell it to somebody and, of course, Twitch
• 1:34:24
  streaming. We have started.
• 1:34:26
  Today, we have started the dusk one of those games that are
• 1:34:31
  called Boomer Shooters, Boomers shooter.
• 1:34:34
  Never heard of that before. Oh, that's a very nice term.
• 1:34:39
  Like, you know, those Shooters like the original Doom, when you
• 1:34:43
  didn't have to think about, reloading the weapon when the
• 1:34:47
  regular Our movement speed was faster than Usain Bolt and this
• 1:34:53
  one is there everything? Yeah.
• 1:34:56
  And to be more fun to you, the dusk is one of those.
• 1:35:01
  It's mad fun. It's crazy fun.
• 1:35:04
  I absolutely loved it. I also follow the developer of
• 1:35:08
  dusk devil zamansky on Twitter and he gave me a blessing.
• 1:35:13
  Awesome. Awesome just today.
• 1:35:16
  Listen. Best of luck with with that with
• 1:35:20
  your podcast and your Twitch twitch stream.
• 1:35:22
  And yeah, just just all the best to you and you've been a
• 1:35:26
  wonderful guest. Thank you very much.
• 1:35:28
  Thank you so much for appearing on the show and you to take care
• 1:35:33
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• 1:35:36
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