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Jesse Rucinski - Veteran, Podcaster, Artist · World Ablaze with George Fontes

• 0:00
  All right.
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  I want to welcome Jesse Rosinski back to the show.
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  It's been a while.
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  And you're back, by the way, your podcast, which is a good thing because you are the
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  facts and data guy and you back your shit up with a lot of receipts.
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  So it's really good to hear you're back.
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  In listening to your return, as we discussed online, I wanted to, if you want to,
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  I want to start with your VA experiences and what led you back to podcasting.
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  Because when we talked about, it's been over a year now, huh?
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  Since you were on last?
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  It was a year.
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  It was close.
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  Yeah, close too.
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  I think it went nine months.
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  So back then you were having troubles with the VA and trying to get help and doctors, etc.
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  And so the reason I want to talk about this is first, good thing you are getting the damn help finally.
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  but what changed and what in your mind led to you actually getting what you need finally after all
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  these damn years like it seems like the struggle was it was ridiculous you know for someone like
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  you a veteran who literally needs that help but yet couldn't really get anything together and now
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  all this now all of a sudden everything's just kind of coming like working i i gotta understand
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  what you think or what you know happened that that really led to that change and getting you
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  back to where you need to be well first off let's throw a big thank you to you because
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  everyone asked every once in a while you were the only person actually you know texting me like every
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  seven to ten days going when you're getting back behind the mic when you get oh really
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  when you're getting back behind the mic ah you need to be trying i need to you know but last
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  because last thing i did was right after he announced uh pam bondy as the ag back in november
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  So it was, I didn't realize it was nine months.
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  Yeah.
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  I actually went and did one.
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  I went, good.
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  But, you know, the VA was a pile of shit for years.
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  I mean, it's the frankest way to put it.
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  I mean, I had an easier time getting my face put back together in the height of COVID after the accident.
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  You know, it was easier to have surgery done during the height of it than it was just to get a doctor.
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  Yeah.
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  The last four years, it's amazing how that happened.
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  Yeah, it's actually kind of funny if you think about it.
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  But for four years, I mean, I had three primary care doctors and that includes like the year and a half.
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  It was 18 to 21 months where I didn't have a doctor at all.
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  There was just nothing.
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  And that doesn't include the time in between appointments when I didn't see anybody because I didn't even know my primary care doctor and Hannah's brother's primary care doctor were the same people.
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  and I happened to see him like, well, they just canceled my VA tomorrow.
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  He's like, is it this doctor?
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  I'm like, yeah.
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  Oh, she's been gone for like six months.
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  I'm like, wow, cool.
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  So she quit like, you know, the day after I saw her last week.
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  Yeah.
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  Nobody reached out.
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  And then I, no, no, no, no.
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  They figured they were just going to, you know, play it off until we all had to show
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  up and that none of us talked to each other, which again, it's the VA.
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  Why would they be that smart?
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  But thankfully my neurologist totally didn't suck.
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  so yeah one more giant shout out to dr oster because he was taking care of x-rays he was
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  taking care of all kinds of stuff for me that was well beyond you know a neurologist's you know job
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  you know title and all that like never i needed an x-ray or anything and i saw him he's like cool
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  it's in go because i literally like at one point was arguing with doctors i was like can we do the
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  x-rays when i'm going down to see neuro they're like we'll talk about it your next appointment
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  I'm like, yeah, but see, that's like two weeks.
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  I'm going to be there next week because it's down in Wilmington.
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  So it's like an hour or so away.
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  You know, so I'd like to do the x-rays while I'm down there instead of seeing you guys the week after and then driving back to Wilmington.
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  And the response was, we'll talk about a dang year appointment.
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  I'm like, okay.
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  And I told my neurologist and he's like, cool, it's in, go.
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  I'm like, thank you.
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  because they can apparently all see each other's direct messages that we have through there.
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  So they can read everything we're saying.
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  He's like, go.
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  I'm like, thank you.
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  But yeah, it absolutely sucked.
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  I couldn't get anything done.
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  And miraculously, I mean, I don't find it to be a coincidence
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  because the first four years I was in absolutely sucked.
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  Then there was this four-year period where suddenly things were starting to roll again
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  to include all the surgeries when I got run over, you know, everything I needed during COVID. There
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  was, you know, physical therapy, I was seeing everything I needed. Then there's four years of
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  nothing and I don't find, and since then, this year, just, you know, since February,
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  I got to go see the urologist. I mean, I had to drive all the way to Richmond, but, you know,
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  you know, I got to see them, the endocrinologist, all of them, and got testosterone treatments from,
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  to replace everything because I was down at barely 100.
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  And the average is way above 100 for my age group.
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  So I got that taken care of, which I think is taken care of.
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  It's nice when your body feels like it's healing.
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  It's good to have energy and not feel like a zombie all the time.
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  It's not necessarily the funnest after the injection to walk around for a day.
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  But that got done.
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  They sent me to a chiropractor finally, which is fantastic.
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  I was arguing for that for years.
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  and they got me a lymphatic drainage,
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  you know, lymphopress machined,
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  all the compression to help get rid of all the swelling.
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  Cause I think I sent you pictures of the swelling.
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  Like at one point,
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  I think I just sent you one of like my left leg.
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  Yeah, you did.
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  And it was all,
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  it was all blown up.
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  So they got that
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  and that took care of that problem,
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  which, you know, God bless them.
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  They got me in for chiropractor.
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  Again, like I said,
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  I'm going back to me.
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  I got my head taken care of this week.
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  I go back to him next week.
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  that got me put in for acupuncture.
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  I mean, there's so much going on.
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  What happened though?
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  Regime change.
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  Yeah.
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  So, okay, we can talk about that
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  because I remember you and I discussing back and forth.
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  You took a break because you had to get shit done, right?
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  And you were frustrated as hell
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  because I can't get anything.
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  No one's responding to me.
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  I keep being put back on the list,
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  like going back to the line, basically.
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  it's like and so you're the the you think the change really has to do with trump's second term
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  here at the start of the second term that's when you did you start to notice it then or was a little
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  bit down the line um i'm trying to understand what made the difference because it's like
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  why why should caring for veterans ever be politicized or prioritized differently depending
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  on who the hell's in office like that doesn't make sense let's also not forget what the last
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  regime dip and they were yeah legitimately i mean taking resources from the va to deal with
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  what was happening down in texas let's just say that yeah they were literally taking stuff from
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  us but it was regime change and like i noticed it you know again the first four years it was a
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  headache to do anything and everything wasn't perfect you know under you know trump's first
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  term, obviously.
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  And if you can look at just basic numbers, though, like where the veteran suicide rate
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  was, it did go up a little bit his first year, went up a little bit his second year.
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  But then in 19 and 20, even with all the lockdowns and isolation and all of that, we had our
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  two biggest drops ever.
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  I couldn't even tell you the last time we had back-to-back drops of that big.
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  And then we almost went right back to it the first year under Biden.
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  And then in case anybody's curious, look it up.
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  They haven't reported anything since 21,
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  which tells you exactly how everything was handled.
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  For all of the, you can't support Trump and say you support veterans.
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  Yeah, at least Trump let us know how many of them were.
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  Yeah, how bad the situation actually was,
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  which is why a lot of my liberals' friends are gone on Facebook,
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  but God rest their souls.
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  They can't help themselves.
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  But yeah, it's totally regime.
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  like there were four years where I was like
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  it was the CARES Act where they said
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  if we can't get help within 30 days we can go in town
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  and I literally when I was trying to get
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  I don't remember who the hell it was
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  at this point I argued with them for so long
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  but
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  might have actually been
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  ortho but like the closest
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  one we have is like six months from now
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  I'm like yeah but
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  the CARES Act and she was like
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  no I was like
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  it's still law last time I checked they didn't
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  get rid of that she's like yeah but no i was like yeah it is you're like no and then i was like
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  whatever just schedule the damn thing send me a thing and this time i mean like i've i mean i
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  forgot the consult went in to go do the acupuncturist just because they've been calling me for so many
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  damn things lately it's a very odd change of pace to see the va's number pop up on my screen that
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  much yeah like they call me and they're like oh can't do anyone in the network the closest person
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  and Newbern good enough for you.
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  I'm like, yeah, I'll drive a half hour for whatever.
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  I'll go to Newbern.
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  And it was just like that.
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  And she's like, there's no more bureaucracy.
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  You get your consult, you get your 12.
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  And if it helps, tell your doctor.
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  He'll tell me.
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  And it doesn't have to go through any, you know, VA bureaucratic thing.
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  She's like, what?
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  And she'll set up, you know, she said, but it's approved.
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  If it works, I'll approve it immediately.
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  I'm like, are you sure this is the VA?
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  She's like, hi, I'm the VA and I approve it.
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  like yeah but god damn where was this it was these guys in the va even acknowledge that they were
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  fucking you off for the for so many years before like all of a sudden it's just hey glad to meet
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  you we're here for you they just ignore everything previously my my neurologist always uh he always
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  he at least acknowledged that he knew how i'd say fucked we all were because i mean i obviously
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  wasn't his only you know patient that was probably asking him for you know things outside of his
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  means because we just couldn't get anyone.
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  I mean, it was like to the point where they were going to send me out in town and then
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  they kept, and then they're like, cool, we'll send you this place.
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  I'm like, okay.
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  And then like they did the confirmation text in the afternoon, like before.
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  And then like at seven 30 that night, suddenly I got the canceling thing.
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  You know, we have to reschedule you because the, and that happened like three times.
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  And I called him like, there has to be someone else that you could just send it to.
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  Why?
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  Cause they keep canceling the day before.
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  And then they just stopped responding altogether.
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  So that was my eye doctor.
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  I'm fighting.
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  It's not really a fight anymore, but I'm arguing with Optum
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  because I scheduled an eye doctor appointment about this time last year,
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  I'd say, except it was for this year.
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  You can go back to the same eye doctor, but it has to be next summer.
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  I'm like, that's cool, whatever.
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  I'm not desperate for glasses, but just because I've already been there
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  enough times they have all that you know i was like but we need and the va can't get me in we
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  need to acknowledge though jesse like yeah this is a major problem and where it's catastrophic
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  yeah it's an epidemic yeah yeah because we're talking about people as yourself who serve
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  uh you come back with actual ailments and injuries due to serving and and they treat
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  veterans like their second class when it comes to medical or there's never enough
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  resources, but we've got people living on, you know, assisted living houses like Medicare,
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  Medicaid, whatever, you know, any government assistance that aren't veterans that can call
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  and get their treatment and get things paid for or get, you know, a large percentage paid for
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  without a problem. But if you're going to the VA, the channel you're supposed to go through as a
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  veteran, it's like, you got to jump through hoops to make it happen. It's good. You guys, I mean,
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  it sounds like it's turning around finally,
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  but the lack of accountability and,
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  and,
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  and admission to their fuck ups is ridiculous.
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  Like just acting as if no,
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  it was always,
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  we're always here for you.
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  Hey,
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  Afghanistan,
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  the end that sums up accountability for all of them.
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  Afghanistan,
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  which I might add all of their people still say was a great success.
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  I'd say it like Bo rat,
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  but I can't pull the accent off.
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  I don't want to go and ruin Bo Rep,
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  whatever is that for people that like him,
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  even though Sasha Baron Cohen does make me laugh every once in a while.
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  But you know,
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  he's got,
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  he's got his moments success.
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  You know,
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  it was good.
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  But again,
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  like the eye doctor thing,
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  like they rescheduled it from like this August.
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  They moved it up to all the way to last November.
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  Like,
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  no,
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  and they're like,
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  it's in the system,
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  but you didn't show.
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  I'm like,
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  well,
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  that be great if they told me So why Cause they the one that schedule It doesn show up on my VA thing like no one said anything no one told me anything that they moved like you think i would
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  dick it off for nine months earlier like i'm stupid but a lot a lot of some credit a lot of
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  what you went through i mean it's not just um care for pain management you know there's there's also
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  mental health there's so much stuff that that people need and like for you it affected your
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  life all the way around i'm not gonna i mean you're not you tell people whatever you want but
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  from what i i know from when we were texting or when we were communicating etc is you kind of like
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  you needed your own time so you kind of like pulled away from these things you love to do because
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  you didn't feel you're in the right space to you know push forward for example you backed off on
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  the podcast you backed off even on your artwork you got back into it i see you know you've been
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  sending me pictures you got some cool stuff going on uh some great pieces but it's like kind of
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  shrunk back away because you're of the frustration from not getting the help you need.
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  Oh yeah.
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  And then I didn't have a mental health doctor for years.
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  Yeah.
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  How ridiculous.
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  So can you tell, can you tell everybody, you know, how that affected, let's just, I mean,
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  we'll use the podcast for example, because that's what I think most people know you for,
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  um, is your show.
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  So the Jesse Rosinski show, by the way, if you don't know who Jesse Rosinski is, check
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  it out, really good stuff.
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  but tell people how that impacted your show and your ability to move forward
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  in your show and concentrate on doing that.
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  Well, I mean, if you talk about, you know, the headspace part of it,
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  I mean, like that was just put, we all do it.
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  I was just burying, you know, compartmentalizing things like,
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  you know, makes me sound like a serial killer,
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  but I'm going to go back to can't complain, but if I did, who would care?
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  Except this time there literally wasn't even anyone that pretend to care.
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  There was no one.
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  And I mean, there was a lot of just headspace stuff.
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  And then, you know, I didn't want to do anything.
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  And, you know, neurological stuff on top of it that I was, you know, again, I can't say anything bad about my neurologist.
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  He was trying.
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  He was doing everything he could, but there's only, you know, so much that one man could do.
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  And I was getting, you know, I mean, the glare was getting me.
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  Bright lights were really getting me.
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  You know, my neck was, thankfully, again, they got me into chiropractors.
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  So my neck, they got me to see real doctors and imaging and stuff lately.
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  So my next, you know, functioning, it was just a total collapse of anyone being able to do anything or caring about anything.
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  You know, just, I mean, I don't want to say I gave up because of everything.
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  But I mean, I was fighting so many battles that even doing this wasn't fun.
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  Like, I mean, I'm pretty sure we met.
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  I told you I was going to do all kinds of reclaimed wall.
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  wood on the wall behind me. I was going to do all this stuff.
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  And then one day I literally came in here. And if you didn't notice,
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  the walls are very, very,
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  like I packed it all up in the garage one day. She came in.
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  She's like, what the, like, what? I don't even want to look at it.
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  Like I was so detached from the world. I, everything's still sitting out.
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  You think definitely. Oh yeah, there was definitely, you know, it,
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  and thankfully now, yeah, I have getting a therapist.
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  Finally took him fucking two years.
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  but yeah it was like they just everything compounded between you know losing some of my
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  marines the health stuff family stuff but thankfully you know i don't care about the
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  family stuff but you can't fix stupid right yeah they're gonna hate each other but you know we're
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  still good but yeah it was just everything compounding on top of everything i didn't say
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  I was depressed, but when I did my mental health
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  evaluation the other
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  day, oh yeah, damn straight
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  I was depressed. Like, you know, it's just
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  everything sucked and there was
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  no, like the light at the end of the tunnel was
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  a fucking freight train and I knew it
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  was a freight train. Why? Because
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  nothing was getting, you know,
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  anyone that's out there listening can understand.
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  I mean, it's just what the hell's gonna
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  happen next and every time you turn around
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  there's another
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  fucking next, you know,
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  nothing, you know, just
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  one thing after another, after nothing helps anything.
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  You know, there's definitely, you know, and that was the word.
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  That's how I, when I stopped painting, stopped doing the show.
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  I was like, yeah, well, this is probably, you know, a bad sign.
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  And I almost, you know, crept back into it almost, but you know,
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  I got through it this time because I noticed the signs and I know how
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  miserable I was for a while.
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  And now I'm like, I'm actually getting somewhere now.
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  Like there's doctors, there's people.
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  I have friends, you know, people I could talk to.
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  I have doctors again.
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  You know, it was really the big doctor thing.
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  Like, that was just the most depressing part about all of this.
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  It didn't matter.
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  Like, at one point, it was literally, there wasn't even anyone to reach out to for like a year and a half.
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  And then when they tried to send me in town again, couldn't get me to anyone.
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  And they stopped reaching out.
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  Optum even stopped trying.
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  Did you kind of feel like it didn't matter?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Like, I felt like I was just a little insignificant, you know.
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  little bug in the world and no one cared.
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  So why should I,
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  which is probably the worst pit you can get into in my opinion.
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  So how'd you get back?
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  I mean,
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  was it literally just the regime change and the care you're getting that,
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  that motivated you to get back?
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  Or did you realize I need to get my shit together and,
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  and do the things that a little bit of both.
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  Okay.
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  A little bit of both,
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  but you know what I mean?
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  Like,
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  cause again,
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  I sent you that one picture.
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  What if I can say the picture of the swelling when I was up in the
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  like Pennsylvania, I want to say early January, maybe end of December,
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  whenever the hell it was, and it just ran like a balloon.
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  And the second, I mean, once I started getting the stuff for that,
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  so my leg, you know, because they measured it.
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  Like, because they sent a lady, you know, like, here's the machine.
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  She has to come over and show you how to use it.
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  I'm like, I know how to use it.
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  You know, and me and her laughed.
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  I'm like, it's amazing how, like, it's amazing how much you guys are doing now.
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  So suddenly, she's like, it's funny how that works out, isn't it?
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  Let me add a good.
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  But, you know, just getting stuff done.
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  Because when I went, I remember who it was.
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  I think it was the chiropractor the first time.
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  And that was on a small swelling day.
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  Like my left leg on average was still just from the above knee down.
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  Was on average like five inches bigger that day.
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  Like everywhere.
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  And that didn't include foot.
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  Like it was just gigantic.
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  And it hurt.
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  And it sucked.
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  And the second we started taking care of.
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  You know, that took, you know, a lot of it away.
• 19:40
  But, and I also just think I got tired of feeling sorry for myself.
• 19:45
  And again, there was great people, you know, like George here.
• 19:51
  Just, when are you going to get on the mic?
• 19:52
  When are you going to get on the mic?
• 19:53
  Hannah's like, when are you going to get back on the mic?
• 19:55
  She's like, when are you going to go back on a show?
• 19:57
  I'm like, I don't know.
• 19:58
  Let them ask.
• 20:00
  Jesus, what is with the two of you?
• 20:02
  And then.
• 20:03
  you got a good thing going
• 20:06
  it's what I needed
• 20:07
  so it's a combination of
• 20:10
  self motivation
• 20:11
  and that's an important thing
• 20:14
  I don't want to grill you
• 20:16
  a lot on this Jesse I just know that
• 20:18
  you went through a lot
• 20:20
  with this and I know other veterans
• 20:22
  do but there's not enough people
• 20:24
  that talk about it
• 20:25
  that's why I wanted to talk to you about this
• 20:27
  it's good for people to hear what actually happens
• 20:30
  because a lot of people assume
• 20:31
  oh no it's
• 20:32
  they're well taken care of.
• 20:34
  And then there's also,
• 20:35
  there's also the,
• 20:36
  it's still kind of lingering.
• 20:38
  It's,
• 20:38
  it's changed a little,
• 20:39
  but there's still the anti,
• 20:40
  you know,
• 20:42
  anti-service person support.
• 20:44
  Oh yeah.
• 20:44
  It's like,
• 20:45
  ah,
• 20:45
  fuck the military.
• 20:46
  Those guys,
• 20:46
  you know,
• 20:46
  I don't believe in what America's doing.
• 20:48
  So we don't care about them.
• 20:49
  It's ridiculous.
• 20:51
  And there's the even worse part.
• 20:53
  There's one that's even worse than all of that.
• 20:57
  It's like some people I know,
• 20:58
  I mean,
• 20:58
  he's never going to listen to this.
• 20:59
  So fuck it.
• 21:00
  It's like Drew.
• 21:01
  and we were friends for forever until you know suddenly he turned on cnn one day and
• 21:07
  suddenly i was a racist and like a lot of data dom like you're the one that makes jokes about
• 21:12
  making things making you want to slap chinese babies last time i checked yes that's a note
• 21:18
  that's a bad person what and i'm telling you to stomp that but suddenly i was the word like
• 21:22
  the antichrist even though we knew each other for like almost 30 years at that point
• 21:25
  I like whatever but we'd have arguments where he would be like barking about how bad
• 21:31
  veterans got treated but this is how you know he's a liberal because he was then also while
• 21:37
  bitching about that would talk about how the government needs to take care of you know everyone
• 21:42
  deserves health care through the government and let them run it like okay so you're mad because
• 21:46
  they can't take care of a handful of us and we get treated like dirt but you think they should
• 21:51
  handle over 330 million of us.
• 21:54
  Yeah.
• 21:55
  That's how you know you're a liberal.
• 21:57
  What they can't,
• 21:58
  they're taking such bad care of the 12 of us that there is in comparison to
• 22:01
  the country,
• 22:02
  but sure they can handle that.
• 22:04
  What?
• 22:04
  Yay.
• 22:05
  What liberals for dummies.
• 22:07
  There you go.
• 22:07
  What the ultimate logic can't take care of 10 of us,
• 22:10
  but sure.
• 22:11
  Let's take care of 350 million.
• 22:12
  Why not?
• 22:13
  Fuck it.
• 22:14
  That makes sense.
• 22:15
  Yeah.
• 22:15
  That was the argument that just,
• 22:17
  Oh my God.
• 22:19
  If I didn't have so many head injuries,
• 22:20
  I don't headbutt a wall.
• 22:23
  It turns out, you know, he can only do that so many times,
• 22:25
  but it's much cheaper than headbutting a stupid person.
• 22:28
  So everyone remember that.
• 22:29
  I say, I want to headbutt something that is not a human being.
• 22:33
  Well, lawyers are expensive.
• 22:35
  Since you brought up liberals, that's a good segue
• 22:39
  to get into a bit of what you do with the show.
• 22:43
  But before we get into that, I just want to point out to everybody that,
• 22:47
  look, you know, veterans are still struggling to get care and it didn't go away.
• 22:52
  And we need more people to step up and make noise about it and make sure that, you know,
• 22:57
  it's, it's happening.
• 22:58
  It's happening for veterans.
• 23:00
  They shouldn't be ignored for the service.
• 23:02
  And I'll say at the end, it's like, I keep arguing with my buddy, you know, Walter, who
• 23:07
  I did episodes of Wednesdays with Walter way back fucking when forever ago, before he really
• 23:12
  lost his mind when everyone called him Chuck every once in a while.
• 23:15
  but he's like i'll just quit i'm not like the dude like the second you're you like stop like
• 23:22
  that's one less voice out there keeping this shit like you're he's very vocal about it he's always
• 23:28
  there doing stuff about it like even if it feels like it's getting nowhere what you not saying
• 23:33
  anything but that's one less voice saying anything about how we've been treated for the last you know
• 23:39
  how x amount of years i mean since vietnam vets getting i mean literally yeah which is why i want
• 23:44
  to make a t-shirt that says like the VA killing who the DOD couldn't since in whatever fucking
• 23:50
  year they were born I would wear the shit out of that shirt I wear it into the VA every time I
• 23:54
  walked in there the VA finishing the DOD's job since they don't give a damn about us but but uh
• 24:02
  yeah like you got just if you're out there near a veteran what you got to keep it up but you got
• 24:06
  to keep telling people don't give up no matter how much of a headache it is because every voice lost
• 24:13
  it just makes it easier for them to keep just running through us like we don't matter.
• 24:20
  And that, that doesn't fix a goddamn thing at all.
• 24:26
  So don't lose faith.
• 24:28
  It's hard.
• 24:30
  God knows it's hard, but don't do it.
• 24:33
  Please, for the love of God, don't do it.
• 24:37
  Every voice matters.
• 24:38
  You matter.
• 24:40
  Don't let the pricks off that easy.
• 24:43
  I approve said message.
• 24:47
  Important message.
• 24:49
  Yeah.
• 24:49
  All right.
• 24:50
  Well, with that being said, that was a little heavy, but you know what?
• 24:54
  It needed to be discussed.
• 24:56
  Glad you're back.
• 24:57
  So now let's get into the fun stuff that you do.
• 25:02
  Oh shit.
• 25:03
  I don't even know where to begin.
• 25:03
  Hey, listen, I've been doing so much with guest interviews lately for my show.
• 25:10
  and a lot of it has been based on geopolitics and a lot of discussion about Islam.
• 25:15
  So we're not going to get into that, to be quite honest, Jesse.
• 25:18
  Those were good shorts, though.
• 25:21
  Fantastic.
• 25:22
  Those are fantastic.
• 25:24
  I'm going to try to avoid that conversation with you because you're going to bring me back to domestic,
• 25:29
  what's going on domestically here in the U.S., which I haven't had time to concentrate on anymore
• 25:34
  just because I've been so engrossed in what's going on and the world overseas for whatever reason.
• 25:39
  It's just that's how it went.
• 25:40
  But you're the guy that has no problem telling people how it is and not just tell them how it is, but why?
• 25:47
  Like, here's the facts behind this.
• 25:49
  Let's not conflate shit.
• 25:50
  Let's not try to sugarcoat it.
• 25:52
  Here's the reality.
• 25:54
  I don even know where to begin but you been you been on a tear lately with your with your show which I like Well actually I know where to begin Let do this Because you a Trump supporter right And I want to get your assessment on what going on right now
• 26:08
  Everybody is kind of holding his feet to the fire
• 26:11
  for the Epstein debacle.
• 26:13
  And now there's a big push by the Democrat Party,
• 26:16
  the leftist, to basically try to drive home
• 26:20
  that he's on the list, he's a pedophile,
• 26:22
  and this is the only reason that nothing's happening
• 26:24
  and there's no list being released.
• 26:26
  but completely also ignoring the fact that there was a nearly two decade
• 26:30
  investigation into Epstein.
• 26:32
  Just saying Maxwell was arrested because of evidence that she was involved in
• 26:37
  what was going on.
• 26:38
  And beyond that,
• 26:39
  she was the one finding underage people,
• 26:44
  girls to send to Epstein.
• 26:45
  So they have this connection and all this evidence that they suddenly don't
• 26:48
  have that the Democrat party for all these years could have pushed that Trump
• 26:53
  being such a major figure, whether he was in politics or not, was always a popular billionaire.
• 26:59
  At any given time, they could have pulled the plug on this, right?
• 27:03
  Why now?
• 27:04
  Like, what's going on?
• 27:05
  And what's with this rift going on with the so-called MAGA side of things?
• 27:10
  And we'll get into MAGA later because I think people are getting away from what MAGA actually
• 27:15
  meant.
• 27:15
  It's not everybody thinks it's just Trump.
• 27:18
  Well, he coined the term, so that's what it is.
• 27:20
  But I believe it represents something bigger.
• 27:23
  But regardless, I mean, let's get your thoughts on this Epstein debacle.
• 27:27
  Like, where do you stand?
• 27:28
  And or what do you know?
• 27:29
  And what do you think on this?
• 27:32
  That's why I haven't talked about it online.
• 27:35
  Granted, there's a theory behind it, everybody.
• 27:37
  I'm not trying to avoid it because I think he's on the list.
• 27:39
  I'm not trying to do any of that.
• 27:41
  It's a very simple theory.
• 27:43
  Thankfully, I figured he would bring this up.
• 27:45
  I was just waiting.
• 27:49
  And I think I told something.
• 27:50
  And if you ask, I've told people, but it's a very simple but confusing thing as to, you know, complicated, I should say, is why I don't, you know, talk about it.
• 28:01
  Okay.
• 28:02
  One, get it out of the way.
• 28:04
  If he was on it, we would have known.
• 28:06
  So let's stop that argument already.
• 28:08
  They've proven that they're just slimy, shitty people.
• 28:11
  And if they got them, they would have got them already.
• 28:14
  There would have been the gotcha.
• 28:16
  Two, we know.
• 28:19
  I mean, I think that the flight logs and all that, who went here, there, and everywhere,
• 28:26
  just because you were on his plane doesn't mean you were necessarily, because he did
• 28:31
  have normal business things that he did, not just being a fucking creep, a maximum creep.
• 28:39
  So there's going to be people that I think that are on the logs that would just get freight
• 28:44
  trained when they literally had nothing to do with the creepiness, but their name would
• 28:48
  be out there forever. And I think that would ruin a lot of innocent people's lives. And again,
• 28:53
  to everyone that said, you're just saying that because of Trump, no, if he's on the thing,
• 28:56
  fuck him, get him. But I think there's a lot of people that weren't involved in any of it that we
• 29:00
  know had business dealings with him outside of his creepiness that would get thrown up into the
• 29:06
  stupidity of it all, no matter what you're ruined, just because everyone's been on him being like
• 29:13
  those paintings behind me they're not gonna hang themselves anyway haven't heard that one in a while
• 29:19
  but like so i think that's a big you know part of it i think that i mean we've all heard the
• 29:27
  speculation and all that you've heard it mean we all heard rumors of you know people that were
• 29:30
  involved you know from celebrities athletes business people fucking royalty overseas like
• 29:37
  all of that i think there's so many moving pieces you know and big names out there i'm
• 29:42
  sure there's giant names out there you know that we'd never hear like the whole thing anyway you
• 29:51
  know it's one of those we'll know but we'll never i just don't think they'll ever you know if there's
• 29:55
  really royalty from overseas and princes and all like we're never gonna see you know the whole
• 30:00
  entire thing people like heads will actually explode that that that right there jesse was a
• 30:06
  It was a big theory of mine as to why it,
• 30:09
  to me theory we're talking theory,
• 30:11
  right?
• 30:12
  Cause we obviously can only prove what we know or what's been released.
• 30:15
  But the,
• 30:16
  uh,
• 30:17
  theory I had was similar to what you're saying.
• 30:19
  I think,
• 30:19
  I think there were world leaders deep into this shit and they haven't moved
• 30:25
  forward with exposing anything to the degree that America's look,
• 30:29
  the American people are looking for because it can really up and deal
• 30:33
  political connections and relationships throughout the world.
• 30:37
  But would you agree that if that is the case, say like, fuck it.
• 30:41
  Like, is it not time for a reset and to hold people's feet to the fire and
• 30:45
  punish them for all of this, all this heinous, you know, all these heinous acts.
• 30:49
  That's what's on my backend.
• 30:52
  Like what I'm hoping and people, again, it's just a theory, but this is what
• 30:58
  happens when I sit around at night and I'm building the website and I'm just
• 31:01
  And I have those weird thoughts.
• 31:06
  But, you know, he came out and said that, you know, he had it.
• 31:10
  Pam Bondi said, you know, all the files were on her desk.
• 31:13
  Oh, yeah.
• 31:13
  Thousands, thousands of hours of video.
• 31:15
  Remember?
• 31:15
  All of that, like, was there.
• 31:17
  And now they're saying there was nothing.
• 31:19
  My hope is that it's a game of chess, not checkers.
• 31:26
  So he comes out.
• 31:27
  He says they have nothing, which now has Nancy and all of them throwing up
• 31:31
  all kinds of, yeah.
• 31:32
  The Republicans say there's nothing
• 31:34
  and we went on recess for the summer, right?
• 31:35
  Like they're gone right now.
• 31:37
  Right.
• 31:37
  The Democrats close here
• 31:38
  throwing up bills to say
• 31:39
  we have to know what's happening.
• 31:41
  You know, Maxwell has to come
• 31:42
  and testify and all that.
• 31:44
  And they finally get him so strung up
• 31:46
  that he's like, fine, fuck it.
• 31:48
  Wasn't it funny though?
• 31:49
  All of it.
• 31:50
  But isn't it funny
• 31:51
  they were against Maxwell
• 31:52
  testifying for so long
• 31:53
  and now all of a sudden
• 31:54
  they want her on the stand?
• 31:55
  Yeah.
• 31:55
  Like I'm hoping that he's just
• 31:57
  like came out and said it was nothing,
• 31:59
  which then turns all of their
• 32:00
  people that they've turned into just fucking robots.
• 32:03
  I think that's a possibility.
• 32:04
  So I'd be like, kill him, kill him, kill him.
• 32:06
  They have to get it.
• 32:08
  So then they pass all these bills.
• 32:09
  It has to get put out there.
• 32:10
  And he's like, fine, fuck it.
• 32:11
  Here you go.
• 32:12
  And then he uses it as the way to bury all of them that deserve it.
• 32:17
  Do you think they're that simple-minded, though,
• 32:19
  that they're manipulated so easily?
• 32:23
  All right.
• 32:23
  I'm sorry I asked.
• 32:25
  I have one more word for everybody.
• 32:28
  Afghanistan.
• 32:29
  Oh, shit.
• 32:30
  Or here's one.
• 32:32
  Very fine people on both sides.
• 32:34
  It's just.
• 32:35
  Even though there's like a 30-second speech around that.
• 32:38
  Yeah, but we don't want to believe elected officials are that easily.
• 32:42
  Russia, Russia, Russia.
• 32:45
  Borders closed.
• 32:47
  Inject bleach.
• 32:48
  All right, fine.
• 32:48
  I get it.
• 32:50
  I mean, you can get.
• 32:53
  I mean, these people are.
• 32:56
  Jesus Christ.
• 32:57
  Remember when there was allegedly, you know, Russia allegedly had hits out on our troops in Afghanistan.
• 33:02
  Nothing confirmed.
• 33:03
  I still haven't seen anything confirmed.
• 33:05
  But guess what?
• 33:05
  The second they heard it, they ran with it because he was terrible.
• 33:07
  And why is he doing this?
• 33:09
  I'm like, you know, all you people do by running this, and they believed it.
• 33:13
  And I got yelled at for it.
• 33:14
  I'm like, Jesus Christ.
• 33:16
  Yes, what?
• 33:17
  If they were doing it, now it's probably worse for us with the troops over there.
• 33:21
  And if they weren't doing it, it's still bad for the people over there.
• 33:25
  Like you stupid fucks.
• 33:26
  Don't,
• 33:27
  they don't think they just hear and they just,
• 33:29
  and they just have to go and go and go.
• 33:32
  Just like they're saying birthright.
• 33:34
  Like Trump's kids have to go because Melania wasn't a citizen.
• 33:36
  It's like,
• 33:37
  he still was done,
• 33:38
  done,
• 33:39
  done.
• 33:39
  I get it.
• 33:40
  I mean,
• 33:40
  yeah,
• 33:40
  stupid.
• 33:41
  Okay.
• 33:42
  I don't like to call people stupid,
• 33:43
  but so after this many years,
• 33:45
  the thing,
• 33:47
  the thing with the,
• 33:47
  the Maxwell case that gets me is,
• 33:51
  I mean,
• 33:51
  that's,
• 33:51
  that is the biggest piece of,
• 33:55
  confirmation that everyone has
• 33:57
  that they're ignoring.
• 33:59
  She's not being held for just being a fucking pimp
• 34:02
  for this long.
• 34:04
  I mean,
• 34:05
  she was convicted
• 34:07
  of assisting and trafficking
• 34:10
  fucking minors. Connected to
• 34:12
  who? Who was her boss? Epstein.
• 34:14
  How does that trail
• 34:16
  suddenly run cold? How can you
• 34:18
  say there's no list or any other
• 34:20
  names associated with this? Who were his fucking
• 34:22
  clients? They weren't gathering
• 34:24
  them and they didn't run a business, which is what they were doing as shady and bad as
• 34:30
  it was, Jesse abhorrent.
• 34:32
  They weren't doing it for nothing if they didn't have fucking clients.
• 34:35
  And in that type of situation, unfortunately, people don't want to hear this, but in sex
• 34:39
  trafficking, there are repeat clients like known repeat clients.
• 34:43
  It's not just random people they find on the dark web.
• 34:46
  So they know two, two years, two years, not two years, sorry, two decades long investigation.
• 34:51
  and suddenly it's all bullshit
• 34:54
  and it's all about,
• 34:56
  oh, well, they're not releasing
• 34:58
  because Trump's on the list.
• 34:58
  Like you said with the flight logs,
• 35:00
  those have been public for years.
• 35:02
  I mean, Bill Gates is on there.
• 35:04
  Fucking Chris Tucker.
• 35:05
  I mean, think about it.
• 35:06
  There's so many people on those flight logs,
• 35:08
  but no one's looking at them, right?
• 35:10
  And then one more thing, Justin,
• 35:12
  then here's the other thing,
• 35:13
  because I'm sure you know about this.
• 35:16
  The other thing I have to say about this
• 35:19
  is why now all of a sudden
• 35:22
  we have all these people,
• 35:23
  like now,
• 35:24
  specifically now after all these years,
• 35:26
  all these people coming forward,
• 35:28
  Trump raped me,
• 35:29
  Trump touched me.
• 35:30
  I'm victim number 27.
• 35:32
  I'm victim number 30.
• 35:34
  Like doesn't it all seem very theatrical
• 35:36
  and organized and played
• 35:38
  and very intentional?
• 35:40
  Yeah.
• 35:41
  I mean, everything always is by them.
• 35:43
  When I say them,
• 35:44
  I mean like the whole entire
• 35:46
  like control panel power
• 35:48
  of the whole entire country.
• 35:49
  I mean, the same people
• 35:50
  have been in the same positions
• 35:51
  doing the same thing.
• 35:53
  And they do what they have to.
• 35:54
  They manipulate things
• 35:55
  how they have to.
• 35:56
  They have the media
• 35:56
  and they say,
• 35:57
  here's the talking point.
• 35:58
  And somehow,
• 35:59
  or like when the Democrats
• 36:00
  were coming out
• 36:00
  with all those spontaneous videos
• 36:02
  and somehow they were all
• 36:04
  saying the same exact thing.
• 36:05
  Very timely too, right?
• 36:07
  Perfect tempo,
• 36:08
  perfect,
• 36:08
  like they were all,
• 36:10
  it's all, you know,
• 36:11
  but again,
• 36:12
  her, you know,
• 36:13
  her and the client list
• 36:14
  goes into my big,
• 36:15
  you know, thing
• 36:15
  because, you know,
• 36:16
  they got her for trafficking,
• 36:17
  et cetera.
• 36:18
  et cetera, to apparently no one.
• 36:20
  I'm hoping that they're just using that again.
• 36:21
  What my dream scenario is that it's just a big game of chess to get all the
• 36:26
  idiots to be like, we need to know.
• 36:28
  And he's like, okay.
• 36:31
  But remember, I mean,
• 36:33
  we also just saw a court case where did he got hit for, you know,
• 36:36
  trafficking being people across state lines for sex,
• 36:39
  but then didn't get charged with sex trafficking, which is,
• 36:42
  what the fuck was that about?
• 36:44
  He got, so we trafficked them for sex across state lines.
• 36:47
  he got charged with that but he didn't get for sex traffic right you know but i think that it's
• 36:54
  part of the grand i hope it's part of the grand you know scheme of things because i heard i don't
• 36:58
  know if it's true or not that that uh miss maxwell sat down and answered every damn question on the
• 37:05
  mankind with the doj one of these were days here recently man i heard that'd be great if that was
• 37:09
  it you know but are they good you know the what like are we going to get that recorded conversation
• 37:15
  or anything? Are they going to let that be known?
• 37:17
  We should. Will we?
• 37:18
  Will we? We know how this works.
• 37:21
  That's what a liberal one
• 37:23
  seems to be the biggest disappointment is
• 37:25
  with Trump with it.
• 37:27
  You know, that he's not...
• 37:29
  Again, I'm just hoping
• 37:31
  that just for the grand scheme of the world,
• 37:32
  it's going to be the biggest game of chess and the biggest
• 37:35
  gotcha of all time.
• 37:37
  Be like, fine, here you go. Nobody wants to give
• 37:39
  Trump that credit, though.
• 37:41
  Like, oh, he's not a chess player. He's not
• 37:42
  that smart. Well, okay.
• 37:44
  We can argue maybe he individually isn't, but he has a large team behind him.
• 37:49
  And there's some very smart people in there.
• 37:51
  Right.
• 37:51
  And unfortunately, for these people who make this claim, he's repeatedly been very consistent
• 37:58
  and backing these idiots into a corner and exposing their bullshit and having them play
• 38:03
  right into his schemes, really.
• 38:06
  So they still don't get it.
• 38:09
  They still don't get it.
• 38:11
  I'm with you, though.
• 38:12
  Look, if Trump's on this list, if he's truly part of this, I don't give a fuck if he's Trump or not.
• 38:17
  I don't care.
• 38:18
  To me, if you're abusing children, man, and you're using them for sex and sex trafficking and making fucking kiddie porn, then you need to burn.
• 38:26
  I don't give a fuck who you are.
• 38:28
  I don't even care if you're Trump.
• 38:29
  I don't care if you're Obama.
• 38:32
  I don't care.
• 38:33
  These people should be punished.
• 38:35
  I think straight execution.
• 38:36
  right there's there's no reason for these people to ruin ruin people's lives at a young age and
• 38:43
  and get to live and fucking tell the story like fuck that yeah so i hope it's gonna get and just
• 38:51
  because like i mean he's a bull in a china shop now which you see i'm always like he was bad the
• 38:58
  first time then you guys didn leave him alone for four years and this time he knows he only had like he just like i only have four years left he doesn fucking care oh yeah people don realize just
• 39:08
  like and look at all i mean he's been a troll ever since like like fall until now like he's
• 39:17
  gonna be a king or what you know maybe i'll be a king no king's day everywhere which by the way i
• 39:23
  hope you had a very good no king's day which i like to call the fourth of july i celebrate when
• 39:28
  told the king to go fuck himself it is it is very yes yes thank you guys for that and we appreciate
• 39:33
  you celebrating it with us you're just too stupid thanks for the acknowledgement dumbasses yeah and
• 39:38
  they were out there and they were doing it on the fourth of july having no kings things like you guys
• 39:41
  are actually so stupid that you're celebrating the day we told the king to go fuck himself
• 39:45
  like on the like you know king's day on that day as a form of protest even though we're celebrating
• 39:51
  the fact we told the king to go fuck himself or you know he's just cinco de mayo when he had the
• 39:56
  things like he has just been trolling these people for months and it immediately starts the spin
• 40:01
  machine which is why i hope that's all this is it's just a very you know political game of
• 40:06
  fine oh look what they really want me to release it oh no here we go gotcha like pray to god that
• 40:13
  i mean i don't pray hopefully that's yeah and you know what jesse is they're using the
• 40:18
  all protecting victims argument as to why this has never happened but nobody's asking for names
• 40:24
  of victims.
• 40:25
  We do not need to see the tapes
• 40:28
  of victims being abused or
• 40:30
  get to know who they are. We're asking
• 40:32
  for the fucking people involved
• 40:34
  that were paying
• 40:36
  and soliciting this
• 40:38
  service, whether it was
• 40:40
  with money or an exchange of
• 40:42
  favors.
• 40:44
  That's what we want.
• 40:46
  The excuse of protecting the victims is bullshit
• 40:48
  because no one's asking for who's
• 40:50
  the victim, what did they go through,
• 40:53
  oh, show me the video.
• 40:54
  Like no one's sick enough to fucking want like that.
• 40:56
  That is so dumb.
• 40:58
  That is the stupidest argument ever to use to sound wrong.
• 41:01
  Yeah.
• 41:02
  When I say I don't care about the victims because I really honestly do,
• 41:05
  but I don't care who they are.
• 41:07
  Right.
• 41:08
  They want to come forward and tell their story by all means.
• 41:11
  I agree with you.
• 41:12
  If those things are already sealed,
• 41:15
  no one's going to find out.
• 41:16
  And guess what?
• 41:17
  They're very fond of that big black marker and redacting everything out of
• 41:22
  everything.
• 41:23
  They can make all of that disappear and just tell us who the people are.
• 41:26
  And it's always a shit excuse.
• 41:30
  I do think it's funny.
• 41:31
  It's a Trump and Obama thing.
• 41:32
  Trump said something.
• 41:33
  Obama responded.
• 41:35
  Like, guys.
• 41:37
  We're going to get into that a little bit.
• 41:38
  Yeah.
• 41:39
  That's how you know.
• 41:40
  That's how you know something's going on.
• 41:42
  If Obama's actually responding, there might be something to it that someone might actually know.
• 41:48
  And then Obama's going, oh, no.
• 41:50
  Well, okay.
• 41:51
  Since you brought that up.
• 41:53
  So, you know, the argument from the other side, Jesse, is trying to tie this to Obama, right?
• 42:00
  And they're saying that Trump administration, not necessarily Trump himself, but basically his whole administration is deflecting, right?
• 42:08
  They're just trying to distract.
• 42:10
  But what's interesting is, you can correct me because I'm not sure, but as far as I know, Obama has not made any direct rebuttals or comments about this.
• 42:21
  It's been his office.
• 42:23
  I haven't seen a video of him directly addressing.
• 42:26
  I haven't seen him say a word.
• 42:27
  I mean,
• 42:27
  it's interesting,
• 42:28
  just saying stuff for him.
• 42:30
  Yeah.
• 42:30
  Yeah.
• 42:31
  I don't think we're actually,
• 42:33
  I mean,
• 42:34
  the fact that his office responded,
• 42:36
  I think says everything.
• 42:38
  Cause look at all of the things team Trump and Trump has said about them.
• 42:42
  It's amazing how this is the one that,
• 42:43
  you know,
• 42:45
  struck the nerve suddenly for him to have to say something after all of the,
• 42:48
  I mean,
• 42:48
  dude's been nonstop on these people this is the one that struck the nerve enough that he i mean
• 42:55
  we'll never see obama say another word yeah but his team someone in his team went oh no and that
• 43:02
  spoke that that said enough for me it's the fact that this was after all the jabs they've thrown
• 43:09
  back and forth at each other and they have you know since trump was running way back when and
• 43:13
  don't get me going on all that nonsense that happened proven by the way you're welcome america
• 43:18
  but
• 43:20
  you know
• 43:22
  the fact that this is finally one of the few things
• 43:24
  that got any kind of response I think
• 43:26
  that speaks volumes there's a word I was looking
• 43:28
  for that speaks volumes
• 43:30
  as to
• 43:32
  the whole situation in
• 43:34
  my eyes and again that's also why I
• 43:36
  don't trust
• 43:37
  you know fully trust any of the paperwork
• 43:40
  or any of the anything that you know
• 43:42
  no offense if it came from an
• 43:44
  intelligence agency in this country
• 43:46
  dear God, I've met some of these people.
• 43:53
  But yeah, I mean,
• 43:57
  his people respond.
• 43:58
  There's my stance on it.
• 43:59
  That tells me everything I need to know
• 44:01
  because anyone that listens to your show,
• 44:03
  anyone that has ears,
• 44:05
  they haven't had much nice to say about each other
• 44:06
  at all since, you know,
• 44:10
  before he was president the first time.
• 44:12
  Obama's always been vocal.
• 44:14
  He's always put a video or a response, but he's been so silent on this accusation.
• 44:19
  And is it really an accusation?
• 44:21
  Or as you said, it's not because they know that they just got caught to a degree that they can't fucking explain this one away.
• 44:29
  Maybe.
• 44:30
  I don't know.
• 44:30
  They just got onode.
• 44:31
  I mean, that could be it.
• 44:33
  Just like, you know, and I saw them talking more about, you know, the Russia stuff.
• 44:39
  Yeah.
• 44:41
  Like he hasn't, he didn't even respond to that.
• 44:43
  it was something no that's another big one which is really amazing how like that all you know
• 44:49
  finally i don't know why everyone's like it's public knowledge now it's been fucking public
• 44:53
  knowledge where the like where the fuck if like what fuck man like we knew this back at like like
• 45:00
  even the guy that investigated it for right you know all that whole entire and all the evidence
• 45:06
  they had against hillary clinton's involvement yeah the fucking servers literally like like they
• 45:11
  got a special counsel to look into it because he was apparently such a bad dude you know trump with
• 45:16
  all that and all they came up with was hillary paid for what they could like he didn't do
• 45:21
  anything like he wasn't in contact with any of them don't get me going on the servers and how
• 45:27
  they hacked into it and she had like you know 17 devices god knows how many servers and hard drives
• 45:34
  what the fuck was she doing with her own personal servers at her house with this
• 45:37
  fucking info.
• 45:39
  You're saying like
• 45:40
  and I think I heard
• 45:43
  if anything came out
• 45:44
  from this that
• 45:45
  if anything Russia
• 45:46
  had information on
• 45:47
  Hillary that they
• 45:49
  but you know what Jesse
• 45:50
  didn't release during
• 45:51
  is this news
• 45:52
  is this really news
• 45:53
  for America like
• 45:54
  for any country that
• 45:55
  outside influence is
• 45:57
  always there
• 45:57
  like there's always
• 45:58
  some outside
• 45:59
  I think it's news for
• 46:00
  I think it's
• 46:02
  news for certain
• 46:04
  parts
• 46:07
  of society.
• 46:10
  Like for all of us that,
• 46:11
  you know,
• 46:12
  have years,
• 46:13
  right.
• 46:14
  Have like experience in life.
• 46:15
  Yeah.
• 46:16
  Have left their hometown.
• 46:18
  Maybe,
• 46:19
  maybe the difference here,
• 46:20
  Jesse,
• 46:20
  is that the evidence.
• 46:22
  Okay.
• 46:23
  I think the difference here is that the Trump administration,
• 46:25
  he's got enough people in place,
• 46:27
  like the FBI,
• 46:29
  for example.
• 46:29
  And that's another discussion because I'm not necessarily completely impressed
• 46:33
  with what's been going on there with Patel and fucking Bongino.
• 46:36
  But regardless, he's got enough of his people that he trusts in place.
• 46:42
  And maybe the difference now is they know that they're not going to stop digging and exposing the evidence,
• 46:48
  and they don't have access anymore to bury it.
• 46:51
  Maybe that's the difference this time around.
• 46:53
  Well, yeah.
• 46:54
  And I mean, they did it to themselves.
• 46:58
  Now, the second Trump was gone, they revoked everybody's everything, which no one ever did before immediately.
• 47:03
  I mean he even waited on some of the people to tell them to kick rocks and revoke their like
• 47:08
  like he was nicer about it than you know shit he was he didn't even well he was in Mar-a-Lago
• 47:14
  he quit that morning he was gone away early but like first thing they did was revoke all of
• 47:18
  everyone's stuff to be able to look at anything and do anything he's like sorry none you have
• 47:22
  access yeah anything which I agree with though I think once they're gone that should yeah if you're
• 47:28
  no longer serving you're no longer an elected official you don't need it that turns you into
• 47:33
  John Kerry flying in his private jet going and trying to influence things
• 47:38
  because he still has access to everything.
• 47:40
  He just happens to be the first name that comes to mind, but he did.
• 47:43
  He still had all the access in the world.
• 47:44
  He shouldn't.
• 47:45
  Because Trump didn't get rid of all of it.
• 47:47
  Trump didn't get rid of all this stuff when he went in the first time.
• 47:50
  He kept the thing going.
• 47:52
  And then we all saw where that goes.
• 47:54
  They're scrambling now.
• 47:58
  None of them.
• 47:59
  I don't even care when he's gone.
• 48:00
  If they don't have a role in the government.
• 48:02
  why the hell do you need access to
• 48:05
  none of them it doesn't matter what party
• 48:07
  you're part of or who you are
• 48:08
  like if you're not in the government
• 48:10
  kick fucking rocks
• 48:12
  you're on a need to know basis
• 48:14
  yeah if any of us got fired or left the job
• 48:16
  what happens right away your access
• 48:18
  your email your account
• 48:20
  everything is done you no
• 48:22
  longer able to
• 48:24
  participate monitor
• 48:26
  anything anything you're
• 48:28
  separated from that company
• 48:30
  To the movie The Rock with Nicolas Cage.
• 48:33
  You're on need-to-know basis.
• 48:35
  Exactly.
• 48:35
  And you don't need to know.
• 48:37
  So we're going to hope that all of this,
• 48:40
  I hope this whole Epstein thing doesn't get drug out for another three years.
• 48:45
  We're going to wait until the end of Trump's term,
• 48:47
  but there's rumors that things are going to happen here really soon.
• 48:52
  Obama's response or non-response is a dead giveaway, as you said.
• 48:55
  And I agree with you.
• 48:56
  I think that's a bigger issue that's being ignored
• 48:59
  because they don't have a response.
• 49:02
  They have nothing right now.
• 49:05
  And then, you know, the whole...
• 49:07
  But we do have to discuss this.
• 49:11
  Do you believe that there's a fracture
• 49:13
  within Trump's administration?
• 49:14
  Because it seems like Bondi,
• 49:18
  what she says is always being contradicted
• 49:22
  by Patel, for example.
• 49:26
  And she, like you said earlier,
• 49:28
  the first phase.
• 49:31
  Fucking binders.
• 49:32
  That's another debacle.
• 49:33
  But anyway,
• 49:33
  the first phase,
• 49:35
  she has the evidence.
• 49:37
  She goes,
• 49:37
  there's thousands of hours of videos.
• 49:38
  We've got to go through everything.
• 49:39
  There's so much pictures,
• 49:40
  so much effort.
• 49:41
  It's on my desk.
• 49:41
  It's on my desk.
• 49:42
  And then Patel,
• 49:43
  oh, we don't have anything.
• 49:43
  We looked into it.
• 49:44
  There's nothing.
• 49:45
  There's just nothing there.
• 49:46
  And then Bongino,
• 49:48
  he killed himself.
• 49:49
  The biggest actor, right?
• 49:51
  All of a sudden,
• 49:51
  I'm telling you,
• 49:52
  I don't know what else
• 49:53
  you want me to say.
• 49:54
  He killed himself.
• 49:55
  And now they're going to release
• 49:56
  video evidence
• 49:57
  of him killing himself
• 49:58
  when the cameras
• 50:00
  conveniently didn't work
• 50:01
  at the time.
• 50:04
  So what do you think
• 50:05
  is happening there?
• 50:06
  What is the rift
• 50:07
  and separation?
• 50:08
  Or is it just all
• 50:09
  misdirection and meant
• 50:10
  to keep us guessing?
• 50:13
  I'm hoping it's that.
• 50:15
  I'm hoping.
• 50:16
  And you got to think,
• 50:17
  she said there's a minute missing,
• 50:18
  then they're going to release
• 50:19
  everything,
• 50:20
  get everything put together
• 50:21
  after that minute,
• 50:22
  and then suddenly there's
• 50:22
  three minutes missing
• 50:23
  or something.
• 50:25
  I think that
• 50:27
  There's, you know, between all of them, there seems to be a bigger picture of something between them.
• 50:35
  I mean, but even Trump has said things that contradicted what Pam Bondi has said on some things.
• 50:43
  Not everything.
• 50:43
  He'd say one thing, she'd be saying another thing.
• 50:46
  Granted, he's an asshole.
• 50:47
  He doesn't care.
• 50:48
  But he could be trying to misdirect everybody, pulling the gotcha.
• 50:51
  But Sutton doesn't seem
• 50:54
  copacetic.
• 50:58
  Kosher, perhaps.
• 51:00
  Sutton seems
• 51:02
  off of it.
• 51:06
  I hope it's just misdirection.
• 51:09
  I mean, I don't know what's going on in there,
• 51:10
  but apparently
• 51:12
  her relationship, when she was down there
• 51:15
  and going after
• 51:15
  Epstein, having all kinds
• 51:19
  of different... There's all kinds of stuff floating
• 51:20
  around. We've all read it. We've all seen it.
• 51:24
  I just hope
• 51:24
  it's misdirection. Now, could it be just people
• 51:26
  lying through their teeth? I mean, it's the federal government.
• 51:29
  Yeah.
• 51:31
  Obviously, especially
• 51:32
  at the DOJ. I'm starting to question whether
• 51:34
  or not Bondi is the one lying.
• 51:37
  Yeah. You know, I don't
• 51:38
  know if she is. I mean, she's the AG.
• 51:41
  Like, why would she publicly
• 51:43
  the person who's
• 51:44
  directing all law enforcement
• 51:46
  right? Say one
• 51:48
  thing and then have the FBI
• 51:50
  or other departments agree
• 51:53
  with her and then go, well, after
• 51:55
  further review, there's really nothing.
• 51:58
  So
• 51:58
  someone's getting to
• 52:00
  Patel and you can't
• 52:03
  ignore the fucking 180.
• 52:04
  with Patel. We're going to get in there and expose.
• 52:06
  He had access
• 52:09
  to certain information before he was there.
• 52:11
  Now he's there. Suddenly
• 52:13
  he doesn't. Suddenly there's
• 52:15
  nothing that he can do at
• 52:17
  all. You're the fucking director.
• 52:18
  What are you talking about?
• 52:20
  It looks like Bongino's just playing the part
• 52:23
  or
• 52:24
  I had this discussion with another guest of mine
• 52:26
  and he made a good point
• 52:28
  about Bongino.
• 52:31
  I kind of agree with him
• 52:33
  is that, you know, look, he gave up this career in podcasting, this making millions of dollars a
• 52:37
  year. One of the biggest shows there was, you know, at least in the politics and space. And then
• 52:44
  he stepped into something with his experience, right? You know, secret service, et cetera,
• 52:49
  and didn't realize how deep it went. And now he's stuck. It's kind of like, how do I, I can't,
• 52:55
  how do I get out of this? I, I don't think he can actually say what he really feels or thinks
• 53:00
  because definitely yeah so body language oh yeah absolutely so i don't think he wants to
• 53:07
  fuck his relationships up right like his access and and his relationship to the administration
• 53:12
  but at the same time you can see the disappointment you can see like he's like i want to say something
• 53:19
  i know things but i can't now is he under threat you think there's some kind of threat
• 53:27
  hanging over his head.
• 53:29
  And he's the kind of guy
• 53:30
  that I think maybe not
• 53:31
  concerned with him
• 53:33
  and his personal safety
• 53:34
  so much as maybe his family,
• 53:35
  his wife, etc.
• 53:37
  Do you think there's
• 53:37
  something like that
• 53:38
  that might be going on
• 53:38
  when it comes to people
• 53:39
  like Bongino,
• 53:40
  and even Patel,
• 53:41
  who are so adamant
• 53:42
  about all the corruption
• 53:43
  and everything they expose.
• 53:44
  And now all of a sudden,
• 53:45
  it's like they're just fucking
• 53:46
  parroting the same old shit
• 53:48
  the previous FBI did.
• 53:50
  That goes back to
• 53:51
  what I said earlier.
• 53:53
  Certain players in there.
• 53:55
  They knew it was there.
• 53:56
  They knew it was there.
• 53:56
  than they saw, like you said, how deep it actually went.
• 54:00
  Yeah.
• 54:00
  And even though they know it's there,
• 54:02
  I think there's a lot of tongue biting.
• 54:09
  Yeah.
• 54:09
  Or like The Undertaker used to say,
• 54:11
  how he kept himself from, you know, not breaking character.
• 54:14
  He just bite on the inside of his lip as hard as humanly possible
• 54:16
  just to keep that.
• 54:19
  Just to remind him, yeah.
• 54:20
  I think there's, you know, part that,
• 54:24
  because there's no way they didn't get in there
• 54:25
  and then suddenly go, holy shit.
• 54:28
  Yeah, because, holy shit.
• 54:31
  Yeah, I think it'd be, yeah, what we both said.
• 54:35
  They stepped into a bigger pile than they imagined,
• 54:38
  and they want to say things.
• 54:40
  But again, if there's people, royalty,
• 54:43
  all these other people involved,
• 54:46
  and again, family safety,
• 54:49
  all kinds of things that can go into.
• 54:51
  If they expose all of those people not at the right time and all that,
• 54:55
  that can cause, you know, irreparable harm, you know, to them, loved ones, all of that.
• 55:00
  You know, I think that's definitely part of it, but you could definitely tell that Dan's,
• 55:07
  you know, put the inside of that lip, get down on the side of the,
• 55:12
  his body language is not of someone that's exactly happy with what they're saying.
• 55:19
  Doesn't seem himself for sure.
• 55:21
  Yeah.
• 55:21
  He's not very comfortable with using other.
• 55:23
  I'm trying to give him that.
• 55:25
  I'm trying to give him that,
• 55:27
  that credit.
• 55:28
  Trying to give him that much.
• 55:29
  I don't want to believe that he's,
• 55:30
  he's a bought and shill,
• 55:31
  you know?
• 55:32
  Yeah.
• 55:32
  Nobody does,
• 55:33
  but what we're seeing is complete opposite of what was right.
• 55:41
  So,
• 55:41
  all right,
• 55:42
  look,
• 55:43
  we beat this Epstein,
• 55:44
  whatever thing up enough.
• 55:45
  We're,
• 55:46
  we're never going to know until we know,
• 55:47
  like we're speculating.
• 55:49
  I told someone like,
• 55:50
  number like,
• 55:51
  why don't you care?
• 55:51
  Like I care,
• 55:52
  but,
• 55:53
  it's one of those until someone does anything,
• 55:56
  like we're only going to know as much as we know.
• 56:00
  And there's things that are actually happening that,
• 56:02
  you know,
• 56:02
  we know about again,
• 56:04
  VA,
• 56:04
  like we talked about,
• 56:05
  you know,
• 56:05
  the economy,
• 56:07
  you know,
• 56:08
  like there's all kinds of actual real things that we know what's going on.
• 56:11
  Right.
• 56:12
  So Epstein's no offense to the world.
• 56:15
  Feel bad for the victims.
• 56:16
  You know,
• 56:17
  every heart goes out,
• 56:17
  you know,
• 56:17
  all of that.
• 56:18
  But until whoever decides we can actually know,
• 56:22
  no,
• 56:22
  no,
• 56:23
  Yeah, we're never going to know.
• 56:26
  No, I agree.
• 56:26
  I just, I'm just not one to buy into the dismissal of suddenly no evidence and suddenly no list.
• 56:34
  I don't believe that.
• 56:35
  I don't believe.
• 56:35
  That's my thing.
• 56:37
  I do agree with you.
• 56:38
  It's like, I think we are ourselves right now.
• 56:41
  I think people are given too much air to this.
• 56:43
  Look, we know there's evidence.
• 56:45
  We know there's a list.
• 56:47
  We know it's being worked on.
• 56:48
  And this isn't a gotcha moment for Trump or the Trump administration.
• 56:51
  If anything, what's coming out is the big gotcha moment for the Democrats who were in
• 56:56
  fucking charge all these years.
• 56:59
  And let's not even ignore the fact that during Trump's first term, who had majority of the
• 57:03
  Congress?
• 57:05
  The Democrats.
• 57:06
  You know, so I think he got impeached twice.
• 57:08
  Right.
• 57:09
  So like, there's a bigger story to tell here outside of, you know, the conspiracy that
• 57:15
  people are ignoring.
• 57:17
  But you're right.
• 57:17
  Like, at this point, it's like everyone's saying what they got to say.
• 57:21
  Everyone's getting their clicks and likes and their fucking eyeballs off this
• 57:23
  thing.
• 57:24
  And it's,
• 57:25
  it's time to like,
• 57:26
  you know,
• 57:27
  not forget,
• 57:27
  but,
• 57:28
  but let,
• 57:28
  let,
• 57:28
  let them play this out.
• 57:30
  You know,
• 57:30
  let's see where it goes.
• 57:31
  Because obviously,
• 57:31
  like you said,
• 57:32
  Obama silence is a big tell in this whole thing right now.
• 57:36
  So don't forget,
• 57:38
  like God knows how many of our intelligence agencies that were involved in it.
• 57:43
  Somehow there's such a bigger web than anyone ever thinks of on it.
• 57:48
  I just realized it like this thing.
• 57:51
  This thing spun a web,
• 57:53
  spun a yarn.
• 57:54
  I don't care what phrase you want.
• 57:55
  It's huge.
• 57:56
  And if it involves,
• 57:58
  you know,
• 57:58
  burying our intelligence stuff,
• 57:59
  that also is stuff that,
• 58:01
  you know,
• 58:01
  they have to do kid gloves and make sure they have every single damn thing
• 58:05
  dotted,
• 58:06
  crossed,
• 58:08
  ran the motherfucker through grammarly to make sure that,
• 58:10
  you know,
• 58:10
  like they have to,
• 58:12
  they have to,
• 58:14
  you have to do it properly.
• 58:15
  Cause I think it's again,
• 58:18
  bigger than anyone ever.
• 58:21
  can't cry the two and i don't trust our intelligence so that's another story but
• 58:25
  well let's let's let's move on to a lighter topic that's kind of more fun
• 58:31
  oh bear
• 58:32
  good form oh bear what do you think man say that out loud
• 58:39
  there he's so uh canceled and not coming back ever and not just him but the show
• 58:50
  itself.
• 58:52
  So,
• 58:53
  which is a shame.
• 58:54
  Yeah,
• 58:55
  I agree.
• 58:55
  There's a lot of history before.
• 58:57
  Yeah.
• 58:57
  A lot of history there.
• 59:00
  Leno.
• 59:01
  And then,
• 59:02
  you know,
• 59:02
  Carson,
• 59:03
  you know,
• 59:05
  all of it.
• 59:06
  I get that.
• 59:06
  It had such a run when there was actually like just interviewing guests
• 59:10
  Letterman,
• 59:11
  you know,
• 59:12
  it was just,
• 59:12
  you know,
• 59:13
  whether we agree with these people or not,
• 59:16
  I mean,
• 59:17
  at least for the most part,
• 59:18
  they,
• 59:18
  they kept it fairly neutral.
• 59:20
  I mean, they always had a little bit that they inflected in terms of politics, but not to the level that Colbert did.
• 59:26
  And I'm not sure if that was Colbert himself or the decision of the network at the time.
• 59:32
  Because his previous show, that's pretty much what it was, right?
• 59:34
  It was just parody and sarcasm in politics.
• 59:39
  And I'll admit, I mean, I didn't even care he was liberal.
• 59:42
  I laughed.
• 59:42
  I thought he was funny.
• 59:43
  I mean, if you can't see both sides and laugh, I mean, sorry.
• 59:47
  I can.
• 59:48
  I can do that.
• 59:49
  But when he came over to host, I forgot, Late Show Tonight Show.
• 59:54
  I don't even pay attention, even myself.
• 59:57
  But when he came over to host.
• 59:57
  The rebranded Late Show.
• 59:58
  Yeah, the Late Show.
• 1:00:00
  I think something definitely changed.
• 1:00:03
  It wasn't the same.
• 1:00:04
  He wasn't the same or didn't appear to be.
• 1:00:07
  So the excuse that the reason he is canceled is because of Trump is fucking ridiculous.
• 1:00:14
  Losing 40, what was it, 40 million a year?
• 1:00:17
  50.
• 1:00:18
  Oh, 50 million.
• 1:00:19
  Somewhere between 40 and 50.
• 1:00:21
  So as a business, if you're losing $50 million a year and someone punches your ticket and
• 1:00:27
  they say, we can't afford to do this anymore.
• 1:00:29
  How has that got anything to do with Trump?
• 1:00:33
  Like you were losing money.
• 1:00:36
  I think it was in their second or third season, right?
• 1:00:38
  It's when the decline started really happening.
• 1:00:43
  Oh, what you got?
• 1:00:47
  Oh, yes.
• 1:00:49
  I was waiting for this.
• 1:00:50
  Still got my notes.
• 1:00:52
  It's receipts time.
• 1:00:53
  They were just way too far away.
• 1:00:56
  All right.
• 1:00:56
  Well, let's take it away.
• 1:00:57
  Let's take it away.
• 1:00:58
  You let us know what's up with this.
• 1:01:01
  Okay.
• 1:01:01
  Well, I mean, if we go back to Leno, between 2000 and 2009,
• 1:01:05
  you know, five to six million average, which isn't bad.
• 1:01:08
  It's not the Carson numbers, but it's still, you know, good.
• 1:01:11
  2010 to 2014, when he came back, because the other guy sucks so bad.
• 1:01:15
  3.8 to four, which was a decline.
• 1:01:17
  His final episode got 14.6 million, which that's a hell of a number.
• 1:01:22
  Then he once says Fallon's debut, even though we know they're 10 seconds apart, was down to 11.3 million.
• 1:01:30
  Just debut 2013, the average is 1.7.
• 1:01:34
  Fallon in 2012 was at 1.1 to 2 million average.
• 1:01:37
  Colbert took over in 2015 at 3 million And since then it went to 2 2017 it jumped up to 3 you know when all the nonstop bashing Trump and Republicans 2018 was at 3 We saw 3 in 2019
• 1:01:52
  3.6 in 2020. Then they lost half a million average, went down to 3.1. And then they've
• 1:01:59
  been hovering around two and a half million since 2022 to include, you know, around what,
• 1:02:03
  two, four, we're seeing them. And these numbers, just everybody knows you're, you're, you're
• 1:02:07
  referring to viewership. Yes. Viewers on average. And all of those include the people that recorded
• 1:02:15
  on their DVR and watch it. Right. So they're, so they're trying to politicize a business decision,
• 1:02:21
  right? Everything based on numbers. Oh my God. I, oh my God. When it happened. Yeah. Oh my God.
• 1:02:28
  I was up way too late.
• 1:02:30
  Way.
• 1:02:32
  Like, I don't even remember what happened.
• 1:02:35
  I think it was like 4.30 in the morning that day.
• 1:02:37
  Like, I was just going and going and going and going and going.
• 1:02:40
  I don't know.
• 1:02:40
  Like, because I got into the comments and she was like,
• 1:02:42
  and I had to drive her to McDonald's because she wanted a Diet Coke.
• 1:02:46
  So you just went down the rabbit hole.
• 1:02:48
  And we were driving and I was just like,
• 1:02:51
  and it was just Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
• 1:02:55
  The dictator.
• 1:02:56
  my favorite one is i hope is the rapist in chief as they call it but i don't like to say the word
• 1:03:02
  but you know it'd be really fun as the marine corps has a group that goes over everyone's social
• 1:03:06
  media to make sure they're not doing anything stupid or posting anything stupid and they get
• 1:03:10
  in trouble if they do he should get one of those and find every single comment every single person
• 1:03:14
  that said that because if he owns it you know he got stephanopoulos you got cbs he can get all of
• 1:03:21
  You could sit in court and hear that he didn't actually get found guilty of that.
• 1:03:26
  No, no.
• 1:03:27
  And then he could just own all of them.
• 1:03:30
  I don't like being petty, but you know what?
• 1:03:32
  If they're going to be this petty for this long, I say bury them because it turns out,
• 1:03:38
  you know, ABC, NBC, CBS, all of them since 2018 have lost an average of $439 million
• 1:03:46
  in ad revenue combined to include his 50.
• 1:03:49
  Isn't this an admission?
• 1:03:51
  of the change though in American culture and what people want.
• 1:03:54
  Like it's,
• 1:03:55
  I think,
• 1:03:56
  I think the Democrat party is in so much trouble because they can't
• 1:04:00
  acknowledge that their way of thinking and their messaging is no one's
• 1:04:05
  buying it anymore.
• 1:04:06
  But when it comes,
• 1:04:07
  when it comes to Colbert,
• 1:04:08
  I want to keep it about,
• 1:04:10
  I want to keep this about business for a second.
• 1:04:12
  $50 million.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah.
• 1:04:14
  $50 million a year.
• 1:04:15
  Why does a show,
• 1:04:17
  why does a show like that need over a hundred employees?
• 1:04:20
  which is very much what you and I do.
• 1:04:23
  Look, it's a, it's a live podcast.
• 1:04:25
  That's what it is.
• 1:04:26
  Talk shows are, are, are the precursor to podcasting.
• 1:04:30
  Why?
• 1:04:30
  And at the most, you know, they have multiple camera people.
• 1:04:33
  I get it.
• 1:04:33
  Three.
• 1:04:34
  If you have three camera positions, great.
• 1:04:35
  So you can get different angles, but they have a guest.
• 1:04:38
  They have a host.
• 1:04:39
  Do you need the band?
• 1:04:40
  No, but they got one.
• 1:04:41
  Okay.
• 1:04:43
  Where are the other employees?
• 1:04:44
  Do you need 24 fucking writers for you to speak your mind and ask people
• 1:04:48
  questions?
• 1:04:49
  and most of these interviews are such shit because it's like 10, 15 minute segments,
• 1:04:53
  then bring in the next guy.
• 1:04:54
  Like there's not enough time to have a real conversation anyway.
• 1:04:58
  So why can't they just acknowledge that people have moved on?
• 1:05:01
  They want long form conversations so they can get to know who people really are.
• 1:05:05
  And they're also just absorbing media differently.
• 1:05:10
  I mean, they're looking at YouTube.
• 1:05:12
  They're looking at podcasts.
• 1:05:13
  They're looking at, you know, shorts and reels on Instagram and, you know, X for news
• 1:05:18
  and updates, they just acknowledge that, look, you need to evolve or every show like Colbert
• 1:05:26
  is in danger of going down the same path.
• 1:05:30
  They don't want to admit that.
• 1:05:31
  They just want to go, Trump's fault.
• 1:05:34
  It has nothing to do with Trump.
• 1:05:35
  It's business.
• 1:05:35
  You guys, you've been on the downward spiral for years.
• 1:05:40
  I mean, you've lost just, I mean, we have 3.6 million people to talk about as your audience
• 1:05:46
  losing a third of that.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  That's huge.
• 1:05:49
  Is bad when you're running.
• 1:05:53
  And I also was commenting, you know, people, I did bite on some of the comments.
• 1:05:59
  I'm like, yeah, it has nothing to do with, you know, 40 to $50 million hole he's continuously in that they're eating because, you know, it's him and like 12 people.
• 1:06:06
  And somehow it's costing hundreds of millions of dollars to even do the goddamn thing.
• 1:06:11
  And all they're doing the whole time is bastardizing half the country.
• 1:06:16
  True.
• 1:06:17
  Like, here's a good one.
• 1:06:18
  Disney, how good have the numbers worked for anybody when they've done that lately?
• 1:06:23
  I don't even know how Disney's still alive.
• 1:06:24
  Even the middle, what they lost, they lost the people in the middle.
• 1:06:29
  They lost all the independents.
• 1:06:32
  They even went like, we're done with it because it's just been nonstop.
• 1:06:35
  And I think the world, most of the country now at least, is finally back on to,
• 1:06:41
  we don't want to hear it all the time.
• 1:06:43
  like these shows were here to entertain us and take our mind off of this non stop you said it
• 1:06:51
  like it's not healthy yeah you said not good it's supposed to be entertaining supposed to be an
• 1:06:55
  escape like not everybody wants to be bombarded with politicization of every single topic or
• 1:07:04
  politics in general like you and i do this we can dive into but not everybody's like us and even i
• 1:07:09
  even you, we want the time
• 1:07:11
  to where we're just, we don't want to hear about it.
• 1:07:13
  I just want to watch a movie.
• 1:07:15
  I don't need the movie to try to preach
• 1:07:17
  to me about
• 1:07:19
  the morality of a certain topic
• 1:07:21
  or subject based on a leftist
• 1:07:24
  view. Could we just
• 1:07:25
  keep it about, hey,
• 1:07:27
  the kids are playing in the playground, they're just having fun?
• 1:07:30
  Do we have to politicize the
• 1:07:31
  interaction between the kids and how
• 1:07:33
  this person's getting left out and it's not equitable?
• 1:07:36
  Get the fuck out of here with that.
• 1:07:38
  Can we just have
• 1:07:39
  a little bit of an escape.
• 1:07:41
  Can we,
• 1:07:41
  can we,
• 1:07:41
  can we have a story tell or told to us that doesn't have to be politicized?
• 1:07:46
  Like even the new Superman,
• 1:07:47
  right?
• 1:07:48
  What the fuck is with that?
• 1:07:49
  I heard.
• 1:07:51
  I haven't watched it.
• 1:07:52
  I wasn't going to watch it in the first damn place.
• 1:07:54
  Well,
• 1:07:54
  I haven't watched it either.
• 1:07:55
  Admittedly,
• 1:07:55
  but I've heard like you and I've gotten feedback from many people that like,
• 1:08:00
  what the fuck?
• 1:08:01
  And that,
• 1:08:01
  that right there keeps me from wanting to watch it.
• 1:08:04
  But,
• 1:08:04
  uh,
• 1:08:04
  I mean,
• 1:08:05
  look at snow white.
• 1:08:06
  Look how well that did.
• 1:08:07
  Oh,
• 1:08:07
  that was fuck.
• 1:08:07
  I couldn't.
• 1:08:08
  I drew all the things that she said and kept saying,
• 1:08:10
  but it's amazing how I couldn't,
• 1:08:11
  I can't believe that they're dying on that Hill.
• 1:08:13
  How much.
• 1:08:14
  And there's still like every time.
• 1:08:16
  Tell me everyone else.
• 1:08:18
  Tell him to every single,
• 1:08:20
  like I'm scrolling just because you,
• 1:08:22
  you get bored and you're just.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  And every single one that Disney plus or any of them does is about how
• 1:08:29
  fantastic.
• 1:08:30
  That gaslighting is like non stop.
• 1:08:34
  Like they don't show anything else.
• 1:08:35
  That's all I see is her face in that movie.
• 1:08:38
  I'm like, tanked.
• 1:08:40
  Jesus, for the love of holy hell,
• 1:08:43
  Terrifier 3 made money at the box office.
• 1:08:49
  Just here at home alone compared to Snow White altogether.
• 1:08:54
  You know how much money they put into one compared to the other?
• 1:08:57
  What I can tell you, Terrifier was very minimal compared to that.
• 1:09:02
  That is crazy.
• 1:09:03
  That tells you something.
• 1:09:04
  Watching art mall people was a more of a selling point to the world than taking your kids to see Snow White.
• 1:09:10
  Like that says everything.
• 1:09:12
  And again, look at SNL's ratings.
• 1:09:16
  Like if you look at all the ratings, as everyone says, it's just the ratings, rating.
• 1:09:20
  We have the best show in the hour.
• 1:09:22
  Like, yeah, congratulations.
• 1:09:23
  Gutfeld still slaughters you.
• 1:09:25
  An hour before that, it's the content.
• 1:09:28
  Because at least he brings, I don't watch him.
• 1:09:29
  I'm just saying at least there's some humor to it.
• 1:09:32
  I don't watch any of them anymore.
• 1:09:33
  I don't watch shit.
• 1:09:35
  I don't watch nothing.
• 1:09:36
  You know, can we address this though?
• 1:09:38
  Like, okay.
• 1:09:39
  Colbert is saying the gloves are off now.
• 1:09:41
  Like, oh, what the fuck does that even mean?
• 1:09:43
  What do you mean the gloves are off?
• 1:09:44
  What are you going to do?
• 1:09:45
  Nothing.
• 1:09:45
  But the reality is,
• 1:09:46
  if you were so concerned about saving the show
• 1:09:49
  that you believed in,
• 1:09:50
  why didn't you come to the table
• 1:09:51
  and renegotiate your fucking salary?
• 1:09:53
  If it was that important?
• 1:09:54
  Because you were the anchor of the show.
• 1:09:57
  How much money were they spending just on you?
• 1:10:00
  Right?
• 1:10:00
  I guarantee three quarters of that
• 1:10:03
  50 million went to him or at least half and the rest, you know, went to running the show
• 1:10:11
  in some way or another.
• 1:10:12
  They didn't need that much to run it.
• 1:10:14
  They didn't.
• 1:10:14
  Fuck no, you don't.
• 1:10:17
  It's the, sorry, NFL fans, if you like the guy, but it's like the comparison between,
• 1:10:23
  let's say, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, you know, they restructured everything
• 1:10:29
  so they'd get it through incentives.
• 1:10:30
  so it wasn't on the cap so they could have players around them and keep doing good.
• 1:10:34
  Absolutely.
• 1:10:34
  Compared to, let's say, Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:10:37
  Right.
• 1:10:38
  So I don't want to be the highest paid forever.
• 1:10:39
  And then he complains because we only get so far.
• 1:10:42
  We're not like, well, they only get a certain amount of money
• 1:10:44
  and you're taking like a third of it on your own.
• 1:10:48
  There's another hole that dozens of people that have to also play.
• 1:10:53
  It's hard to pay, you know, you and then Devontae Adams
• 1:10:55
  and then another guy and then another guy.
• 1:10:57
  Why don't I have weapons?
• 1:10:58
  Because you get paid so much.
• 1:11:00
  But that's not incentive based.
• 1:11:02
  You want it all guaranteed, which means there's no money to go nowhere.
• 1:11:06
  It's a perfect example.
• 1:11:07
  That's a great example of how these shows are being treated.
• 1:11:12
  Like you're the rock star, you're the quarterback.
• 1:11:14
  And when you said about like Drew Brees and Brady or whatever yeah they had enough sense to realize that if I want the team to be built around me that I going to have to give a little to make this work And none of these guys do
• 1:11:26
  They're so self-important
• 1:11:27
  that the world spins around them.
• 1:11:30
  In their mind, without me, you're nothing.
• 1:11:32
  Well, guess right?
• 1:11:33
  Now everybody's nothing.
• 1:11:34
  No, nobody has a job.
• 1:11:38
  But I am happy that they rebranded it
• 1:11:40
  from The Tonight Show to The Light Show
• 1:11:42
  because at least when it went to a pile of shit,
• 1:11:46
  At least it wasn't.
• 1:11:47
  Well, I mean, you can't, you can't, you can't.
• 1:11:50
  Yeah.
• 1:11:50
  You don't want to put a stain on Carson's name there.
• 1:11:53
  But the, so, so what's next from internet?
• 1:11:57
  Is it going to be, is it going to be like streams on blue sky or something?
• 1:12:00
  Whatever the fuck he uses?
• 1:12:01
  Like, where is he going to go?
• 1:12:04
  Is he going to, is he going to continue to get the support?
• 1:12:06
  Like, look, look what happened to Don Lemon.
• 1:12:10
  He thought, he thought he was the most important talking head on CNN.
• 1:12:16
  went and got a deal with X through Elon Musk.
• 1:12:20
  He fucked that relationship up because he was too far left.
• 1:12:22
  He couldn't realize,
• 1:12:23
  you know,
• 1:12:23
  that you can't bite the hand that feeds you.
• 1:12:26
  And then he thought that on his own,
• 1:12:27
  he was enough.
• 1:12:28
  And where the fuck is,
• 1:12:30
  you know,
• 1:12:33
  and remember while he's married to that white dude,
• 1:12:35
  that white people are the devil and we're the most dangerous people on the
• 1:12:38
  planet.
• 1:12:38
  Or let's go back to what was his name on Fox news,
• 1:12:41
  Chris Wallace.
• 1:12:42
  Yeah.
• 1:12:43
  I'm the,
• 1:12:44
  I'm the big,
• 1:12:45
  Yeah, and they built CNN Plus around you,
• 1:12:48
  and it lasted literally like four days.
• 1:12:50
  Yeah.
• 1:12:50
  And where the hell did you go?
• 1:12:52
  Why?
• 1:12:52
  Because you weren't worth it.
• 1:12:53
  You guys aren't this brouhaha, big, special anything.
• 1:12:58
  And if you're just going to, like, people want more.
• 1:13:01
  Why do you think Joe Rogan's so popular?
• 1:13:04
  I wonder why, because he talks to everybody.
• 1:13:06
  I was just going to say that.
• 1:13:08
  He doesn't care.
• 1:13:09
  If he finds you interesting, you're on the show.
• 1:13:12
  If he thinks you might have something to say.
• 1:13:13
  I'll talk with you.
• 1:13:14
  Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  and and the other biggest biggest example of of the self-importance like joy reed
• 1:13:20
  no one cares the readout is canceled no one cares no it's because you're an asshole i'm
• 1:13:28
  surprised rachel maddow still has a show well mad cow still needs her spot you have to have
• 1:13:34
  someone need someone right yeah well i was happy that that circle back sake got shaken by msnbc
• 1:13:40
  for reruns.
• 1:13:41
  Oh, that was great
• 1:13:43
  that they canceled her.
• 1:13:44
  What did they put in her place?
• 1:13:46
  Reruns.
• 1:13:47
  Like, you're so bad.
• 1:13:49
  Hey, Jen Psaki.
• 1:13:50
  Okay, we want to talk about a decline.
• 1:13:53
  How do you go to being
• 1:13:54
  the greatest fucking spinster
• 1:13:56
  we've ever seen?
• 1:13:56
  It doesn't matter who she served,
• 1:13:58
  what administration.
• 1:13:58
  She was the best.
• 1:13:59
  I'm sorry.
• 1:14:00
  She was fucking great.
• 1:14:01
  How do you go from that
• 1:14:03
  to having a show
• 1:14:04
  where you look like
• 1:14:05
  you're like drunk 80% of the time?
• 1:14:07
  When you heard her talk,
• 1:14:09
  it was always like,
• 1:14:09
  I'm like, what happened to Jen Psaki?
• 1:14:12
  What happened to her?
• 1:14:13
  She probably did.
• 1:14:14
  Well, she probably was.
• 1:14:15
  I mean.
• 1:14:15
  I'm not trying to accuse her of it, but just seem that way.
• 1:14:18
  You know?
• 1:14:18
  Yeah.
• 1:14:19
  You got to do what you got to do to deal with being in that, you know, spin zone of just
• 1:14:24
  Jesus Christ.
• 1:14:25
  Again, bash your head against the wall, drink a bottle of scotch.
• 1:14:30
  I mean, just ask Nancy Pelosi her opinion.
• 1:14:32
  Aye.
• 1:14:33
  All right.
• 1:14:33
  A bottle of scotch.
• 1:14:36
  Well, scotch does have its place.
• 1:14:37
  I know.
• 1:14:37
  Listen, so the whole Colbert thing, everybody had a meltdown.
• 1:14:42
  I think the world needs to move on.
• 1:14:43
  Well, most of the world did.
• 1:14:45
  He's trying to hang on to his own vision of his self-importance.
• 1:14:51
  He'll start a podcast.
• 1:14:52
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:53
  I mean, that's what these guys are going to do.
• 1:14:56
  And hey, good luck to them.
• 1:14:57
  But I think this is just an admission to something that has been going on that the left has been ignoring for so long.
• 1:15:05
  And that is America no longer sees it the way you do.
• 1:15:09
  I'm not saying that they're not going to ever have someone that agrees with
• 1:15:12
  them because,
• 1:15:12
  you know,
• 1:15:13
  there's always more than one viewpoint,
• 1:15:15
  one more than one side to the story.
• 1:15:17
  But at the same time,
• 1:15:18
  they're,
• 1:15:19
  they're,
• 1:15:19
  they can't come to the reality that they're,
• 1:15:23
  they're losing it.
• 1:15:24
  And,
• 1:15:24
  and the Democrat party in and of itself,
• 1:15:26
  I'm not saying Colbert is part of the party,
• 1:15:28
  but it was a fucking very,
• 1:15:30
  very liberal show.
• 1:15:32
  Let's not ignore that.
• 1:15:34
  And their mouthpieces.
• 1:15:35
  Absolutely.
• 1:15:36
  And the Democrat Party now is so fractured,
• 1:15:39
  they don't even have a leader.
• 1:15:40
  Who is next?
• 1:15:41
  Who's going to be the presidential nominee?
• 1:15:44
  What's going to happen?
• 1:15:45
  AOC isn't it.
• 1:15:46
  Jasmine Crockett is...
• 1:15:48
  Forget that racist piece of shit.
• 1:15:52
  And who do we have?
• 1:15:54
  Who?
• 1:15:55
  Gavin Newsom is doing his tour.
• 1:15:56
  That guy is horrible.
• 1:15:58
  I mean, fuck.
• 1:15:59
  The appearance he just had on Sean Ryan.
• 1:16:01
  I mean, to be honest,
• 1:16:01
  Sean Ryan fucking softballed that whole thing.
• 1:16:04
  Didn't really press him for anything.
• 1:16:05
  even though there's tons of facts and data that he,
• 1:16:07
  Sean Ryan's supposed to be known for bringing it out of people.
• 1:16:10
  I didn't see any of that.
• 1:16:11
  I don't know what that was about.
• 1:16:13
  That shouldn't even have been, I'm sorry,
• 1:16:15
  but I don't know what that was.
• 1:16:17
  But Newsom's on this tour and he's a governor.
• 1:16:20
  He shouldn't be in North Carolina.
• 1:16:21
  He shouldn't be in Texas.
• 1:16:22
  He shouldn't be anywhere doing, you know,
• 1:16:25
  media opportunities with anybody when he has a complete state that he's
• 1:16:30
  letting fall apart and can't even keep together,
• 1:16:33
  but wants to convince the rest of the world of how great he is
• 1:16:35
  for the rest of the United States anyway.
• 1:16:37
  He'd be a hell of a choice, though.
• 1:16:39
  That's not going to happen.
• 1:16:41
  I don't think.
• 1:16:41
  I already had a theory.
• 1:16:42
  I talked to my brother about this.
• 1:16:43
  I know, but don't worry.
• 1:16:46
  There are enough of us.
• 1:16:48
  He's a silver-tongued devil.
• 1:16:49
  I know just how much he fucking sucks.
• 1:16:52
  We'd be okay with that one because there's no saving him.
• 1:16:56
  Wildfires.
• 1:16:56
  COVID.
• 1:16:57
  French laundry.
• 1:16:58
  Yeah.
• 1:16:59
  Well, my theory is he's doing this.
• 1:17:02
  to become the guy.
• 1:17:05
  I think he's trying to get enough recognition
• 1:17:07
  across the United States
• 1:17:09
  and with other Democrats
• 1:17:10
  that he will be the guy
• 1:17:13
  that will be able to carry weight
• 1:17:15
  when he says,
• 1:17:16
  I endorse this person.
• 1:17:17
  I think that's what he's going for.
• 1:17:19
  I think he's trying to build himself up
• 1:17:21
  to be one of the de facto leaders of the party,
• 1:17:24
  just like Obama was for so many years.
• 1:17:26
  Nobody cared about Obama.
• 1:17:27
  I mean, he was out.
• 1:17:28
  But when he said,
• 1:17:30
  I endorse this or gives a speech,
• 1:17:31
  all of a sudden everybody paid attention.
• 1:17:33
  I think that's what Newsom's trying to do.
• 1:17:35
  I don't know if he's actually going to go for the president.
• 1:17:36
  I think he's just trying to be the guy.
• 1:17:38
  I think he's trying to be the,
• 1:17:39
  the,
• 1:17:40
  um,
• 1:17:41
  the guiding light of the Democrat party so that whatever he says,
• 1:17:44
  whatever happens,
• 1:17:45
  it carries weight and he has influence.
• 1:17:48
  My theory.
• 1:17:49
  It'd be great if you ran one.
• 1:17:51
  Yeah.
• 1:17:52
  Never snowflakes chance.
• 1:17:54
  Like there's enough of us that know that he lives rent free.
• 1:17:57
  And I just know it's a slime ball when I see a slime ball.
• 1:18:00
  And,
• 1:18:00
  uh,
• 1:18:01
  that'd be nice.
• 1:18:03
  But again,
• 1:18:04
  I don't know who they're going to have run.
• 1:18:05
  I saw,
• 1:18:06
  what was it?
• 1:18:07
  Krasenstein,
• 1:18:08
  whatever you pronounce his last name and his brother.
• 1:18:11
  Tom,
• 1:18:12
  I know we were afraid and we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves.
• 1:18:14
  It was AOC and Jasmine Crockett ran 2020.
• 1:18:16
  I'm like,
• 1:18:17
  yeah,
• 1:18:17
  we would,
• 1:18:17
  but that would be Jesus.
• 1:18:18
  But they thought they lost the independence with Kamala.
• 1:18:23
  You put those two shining stars up there.
• 1:18:25
  Like Jesus Christ.
• 1:18:27
  I don't,
• 1:18:27
  I don't even think they could stand each other enough to campaign together.
• 1:18:30
  be like 10 million oh my god like the percentages we would we would get like that 81 million that
• 1:18:38
  we all want how the hell did he get that i mean i don't even think they align jesse honestly i
• 1:18:44
  don't but jesus but i mean it's coming from krasinski so or whatever his last that guy sucks
• 1:18:49
  he had met his brother both of them they just look like leeches but once they said that i was like
• 1:18:54
  like dude you might eat jesus christ like whoever's paying you what point him in my direction what i
• 1:19:00
  I'm not going to be stupid like you, but take the money.
• 1:19:04
  Holy.
• 1:19:05
  They don't have anyone.
• 1:19:07
  They just have speeches and Cory Booker running his suck hole.
• 1:19:12
  I mean, have them run against Cory Booker.
• 1:19:13
  Everyone hates Cory Booker.
• 1:19:16
  He thinks he's a shining star.
• 1:19:18
  What do you think about this third-party option that Elon's trying to push?
• 1:19:24
  I think Elon needs to stay in his lane and shut the fuck up.
• 1:19:29
  All right.
• 1:19:30
  I mean, think about it.
• 1:19:33
  Because we all have, you know, cognitive thinking abilities, you know, critical thinking skills.
• 1:19:38
  Well, I hope we still do.
• 1:19:39
  No matter what, the people that still voted for Kamala are still going to vote that way.
• 1:19:44
  There's no saving it.
• 1:19:45
  It doesn't matter what the hell we do.
• 1:19:48
  Orange Godzilla, Hitler, bad.
• 1:19:51
  You know, no matter what.
• 1:19:53
  And if we got another party, all that would do is take votes away from the Republicans.
• 1:19:57
  the democrats are voting democrat no matter what except for that you know
• 1:20:01
  four million people with that suddenly fucking vanished that came out of nowhere in 2020 and
• 1:20:07
  then they made them out to be even worse but somehow they weren't there yada yada yada we
• 1:20:13
  all mean it's funny but they're all about this except for that one year suddenly there's this
• 1:20:18
  big blip that makes no sense if you look at the actual numbers per party i have that somewhere too
• 1:20:23
  but it's not in that notebook.
• 1:20:24
  So I'm not digging.
• 1:20:25
  That's okay.
• 1:20:26
  But.
• 1:20:27
  I mean, I don't want you to give everything away on my show.
• 1:20:29
  I mean, you have episodes to do and release.
• 1:20:31
  So, I mean, I would just encourage people to listen to you
• 1:20:33
  and get a deeper dive.
• 1:20:36
  Yeah.
• 1:20:36
  And it would take away from the Republicans.
• 1:20:39
  That's all another party would do.
• 1:20:40
  Because the lefties are going to vote lefty.
• 1:20:43
  So, I mean, look at Pennsylvania.
• 1:20:45
  They had a dead guy on the ballot.
• 1:20:47
  Right?
• 1:20:48
  And they died like what?
• 1:20:50
  Two weeks before the thing.
• 1:20:51
  And he still won because they were too lazy to take his name off the ballot and put someone else just on there Like they voted for a dead person That proves the point It does prove the point And that proves the problem with with with with the voters and vote in the education that voters have
• 1:21:04
  They just,
• 1:21:05
  they just look at the ballot and go,
• 1:21:07
  Oh,
• 1:21:07
  I recognize that name and they're Democrat or the Republican.
• 1:21:10
  And that's who I'm going to check off.
• 1:21:12
  Like you might want to look into the candidates a bit,
• 1:21:14
  but there's a matter.
• 1:21:17
  So a third party,
• 1:21:18
  you know,
• 1:21:19
  the American party,
• 1:21:20
  whatever the hell he wants to call it.
• 1:21:22
  It's just going to take away.
• 1:21:23
  Can you agree, though, that we do need more options and diversity in our choices?
• 1:21:27
  We need to revamp the whole entire thing.
• 1:21:31
  I mean, there's been too many lease.
• 1:21:35
  Who's the best, worst case scenario, shall we say?
• 1:21:40
  Absolutely.
• 1:21:40
  I think it needs to be completely redone.
• 1:21:43
  There's other things I don't like, like let's say 2020.
• 1:21:47
  Example.
• 1:21:49
  Because I don't know the Pennsylvania map from 2024 in my head,
• 1:21:52
  even though I'm pretty sure all the same counties that were blue were still
• 1:21:55
  blue.
• 1:21:56
  He just happened to turn some of the more purple.
• 1:21:57
  So he won the state,
• 1:21:58
  but you know,
• 1:22:00
  Philly and you know,
• 1:22:02
  that one right there,
• 1:22:03
  but there were Chester count with those two right there,
• 1:22:06
  Pittsburgh.
• 1:22:07
  And then the dumb asses in Lackawanna County.
• 1:22:10
  So I might add Scranton has fallen to complete and utter disarray places.
• 1:22:13
  You know,
• 1:22:14
  we're near where it used to be.
• 1:22:15
  What the hell do I know?
• 1:22:16
  I was only there.
• 1:22:17
  You know,
• 1:22:17
  those four were,
• 1:22:19
  you know,
• 1:22:19
  three,
• 1:22:20
  four,
• 1:22:20
  were the counties that Joe won.
• 1:22:22
  And then Joe got the whole state.
• 1:22:24
  And they say, well, you know, it's not only the rich people,
• 1:22:27
  like the people that can afford to live in the big cities
• 1:22:29
  where the population is that matter,
• 1:22:32
  make all the choices for the 97% rural state.
• 1:22:36
  Oh, that's also the problem of California.
• 1:22:38
  Yeah.
• 1:22:39
  Like, you know, I was just talking about that with Hannah.
• 1:22:42
  I was like, but there has to be, I mean,
• 1:22:44
  I don't want to say there has to be a better way,
• 1:22:47
  but like someone shouldn't just win.
• 1:22:49
  like the two major cities in the state,
• 1:22:52
  lose the rest of it,
• 1:22:54
  and then win just because there's more people
• 1:22:55
  that live there than the rest of the state.
• 1:22:57
  But those are the people that can afford to live there,
• 1:22:59
  you know, spend that kind of, you know,
• 1:23:01
  I mean, have you seen the price of living in Philly?
• 1:23:03
  It's not really the cheapest thing on the planet.
• 1:23:05
  People that can afford to be there,
• 1:23:07
  and that's where the sports teams are.
• 1:23:09
  Beyond that, I want to circle back to what you said earlier
• 1:23:12
  because the problem we have currently,
• 1:23:16
  you know, we have a two-part system regardless.
• 1:23:18
  technically we have more but nobody else has the money nobody else has the power and it always
• 1:23:25
  comes down to like you you just said earlier the lesser of two evils like oh well these are
• 1:23:31
  the best options we have based on but they're not the best options all the time they're just
• 1:23:37
  the only two given the opportunity to vote on yeah north carolina proved that in the governor race
• 1:23:42
  because i'm sure you didn't i mean you don't get to see our you know ads here i think i think
• 1:23:47
  Kamala was one of the biggest
• 1:23:49
  affirmations of that. Of everybody
• 1:23:51
  in the DNC, everybody, that part of that
• 1:23:53
  party, that was the person? That was
• 1:23:55
  the person you chose to replace fucking Biden?
• 1:23:57
  Well, we all know why she was picked.
• 1:24:00
  They're trying to pull
• 1:24:01
  the two cards, which
• 1:24:03
  is why she didn't even make it out of the first
• 1:24:05
  debate in 2019.
• 1:24:06
  The two cards were...
• 1:24:08
  Well, let's just say it. They were playing
• 1:24:10
  on race and gender, period.
• 1:24:13
  Woman president,
• 1:24:14
  black president, and that's what the whole thing
• 1:24:16
  was about.
• 1:24:17
  But people proved that they want more than just identity politics.
• 1:24:22
  They want substance.
• 1:24:24
  They want to know their track record that you're bringing with you actually is going to apply to put an American people first before party politics.
• 1:24:34
  And regardless of what people say about Trump, that's what he was offering.
• 1:24:37
  Whether you agree with him or not, he represented those people that were tired of the bullshit.
• 1:24:42
  And that's why he got elected.
• 1:24:44
  And that's why the Democrats fought so hard to keep RFK on the ballot because they knew that would pull votes away from Trump.
• 1:24:53
  Right.
• 1:24:53
  Even though he backed out, which that's another thing.
• 1:24:56
  Like, what the fuck?
• 1:24:57
  He literally said, I vacate.
• 1:24:59
  I am not running.
• 1:25:01
  But they wanted to keep him on the ticket.
• 1:25:03
  The Democrats went to court, tried to keep him on.
• 1:25:06
  But that comes back to North Carolina, too.
• 1:25:08
  That was the perfect one.
• 1:25:09
  You know, because we had Josh Stein, who was the Democrat.
• 1:25:12
  Don't remember anything about his ads.
• 1:25:14
  I mean, seemed like a good enough guy, whatever.
• 1:25:18
  I mean, they all seemed like good enough guys and ads.
• 1:25:20
  But the person that we picked, the Republican Party in the state picked was Mark Robinson.
• 1:25:25
  And literally the Democrats, all they ran the whole time was him talking about reproductive rights and abortion stuff.
• 1:25:32
  And his exact word, it just played for months, was just because you decided you couldn't keep your skirt down doesn't mean that you need to have an abortion.
• 1:25:40
  And we're all going, like you guys on the floor in North Carolina.
• 1:25:43
  I'm like, so he said that in front of everyone and their mother.
• 1:25:46
  You knew he said it.
• 1:25:48
  You knew there was a video of it.
• 1:25:49
  And this was still the best choice the Republicans could come up with.
• 1:25:53
  What all they had to do was run him saying that.
• 1:25:55
  And the other guy won.
• 1:25:57
  Again, I'm here.
• 1:25:58
  I'm stuck when I'm watching racing or anything during those times where I have to see those
• 1:26:03
  ads nonstop.
• 1:26:05
  I couldn't tell you anything about.
• 1:26:06
  Josh Stein just went, hey, look at this guy.
• 1:26:08
  And they played that soundbite, that video.
• 1:26:11
  And he lost because of it.
• 1:26:12
  I'm like, you knew he said.
• 1:26:13
  you knew that was a big issue and that's still like the best thing you guys could come up with
• 1:26:19
  was like we deserve to lose North Carolina to the governor like if that's like the best option we had
• 1:26:23
  we have a big problem overall because I know he wasn't the only option we had and you knew the
• 1:26:30
  video existed and again it was had to be the lesser of you know even Republicans some of them
• 1:26:34
  like well him saying that lesser of two evil was the guy that you know they could that's pretty
• 1:26:40
  much been our system for fuck i don't know forever yeah that's been it for far too long
• 1:26:48
  and and and really like i've said this before you know our politics have been nothing more than
• 1:26:56
  high school popularity contests it's like are we really voting on people based on their
• 1:27:00
  qualifications i i don't know of many i'm not gonna say any but i hardly any president who
• 1:27:08
  was actually literally qualified for the job.
• 1:27:12
  Very few.
• 1:27:14
  Very few.
• 1:27:17
  We got to fix the system.
• 1:27:18
  Look, I don't know how we're going to do it,
• 1:27:20
  but if we don't talk about these things
• 1:27:22
  and we just ignore them because we're frustrated,
• 1:27:25
  it's never going to get,
• 1:27:26
  there's never going to be an opportunity
• 1:27:27
  for someone to think about fixing it that way.
• 1:27:30
  But look, I'm going to wrap it up here in a bit.
• 1:27:34
  And, you know, before we go,
• 1:27:36
  I want you to tell people about your show.
• 1:27:38
  Your show's back.
• 1:27:40
  Let people know where they can find you.
• 1:27:43
  And yeah, I mean, I just look forward to hearing more episodes.
• 1:27:45
  But go ahead and give people the rundown on how to find you, contact you, etc.
• 1:27:50
  Well, if you take yourself, you know, and you want to listen to the Jesse Rosinski show,
• 1:27:55
  you can't watch it yet, but the walls will get done.
• 1:28:00
  Things will happen.
• 1:28:02
  And it'll look fancy, but if you want to listen to it,
• 1:28:04
  It's available at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Spotify for creators, Good Pods, which is where he found me.
• 1:28:10
  Yeah, I'm very grateful for that thing.
• 1:28:12
  It does help.
• 1:28:13
  Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, Overcast, Audible, and I'm sure there's other places that I haven't heard of that it's on.
• 1:28:19
  But it sure isn't on Pandora because I submitted it and they said, we'll get back to you in X amount of weeks.
• 1:28:23
  And somehow this many years later, it still says, we'll get back to you in so many weeks.
• 1:28:29
  Big thumbs up to Pandora.
• 1:28:30
  And it's also on the website, 2146media.com.
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  All the links to all the platforms to include the old episodes are all on there on the page,
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  along with my paintings, Jesse Rosinski Creations on Etsy.
• 1:28:47
  That also has its own page on the website.
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  It'll take you right to the Etsy store for all that.
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  And again, there's always all the socials, but the easiest way, if you want to get a hold of me,
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  is to send me a message on the 2146media.com page
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  because I actually do look at that every day.
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  So it's easier to get a hold of me.
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  It's the best way to get a hold of me that way
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  because everything else, all other platforms spam me
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  and I get all these, you know, you get all of them.
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  So I just turn all my notifications off.
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  So if you get me on there, you might get me right away.
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  You might get me next year.
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  I'm not sure.
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  Well, hey, man.
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  thank you for um coming on the show i've been i've been wanting to get you back uh and i thought
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  this was a perfect opportunity to have you here because you're back on track with the show and i
• 1:29:37
  want people to check you out because like a lot of people don't get what jesse does is we had a
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  great conversation but on his own show he is like when he pulled that that little notebook out that's
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  what he does he's like hey here's what's going on here's why you're being lied to and i can prove it
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  and that's what's amazing.
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  And he doesn't pull any punches.
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  So give Jesse a listen.
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  Support The Jesse Rosinski Show.
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  Shhh.