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25. Navigating Children, Career, and Choices with Nyisha Chu · A Heart That Beats for Home

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  Speaker 1: Hey friends, I'm Nikki Smith, your host here at A Heart that Beats for Home, the podcast where we're ditching filters and diving headfirst into the raw beauty of all things home.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I am no expert when it comes to this whole parenting and marriage dance.
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  Speaker 1: I'm simply a gal who's been riding the mom roller coaster for 22 years and a wife still untangling the mystery of it all 25 years after saying I do.
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  Speaker 1: My goal is to bring you unapologetically messy and boldly genuine conversations about cultivating strong families.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna laugh, possibly cry, and straight talk about the joy and chaos that comes within the four walls that we call home.
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  Speaker 1: No judgment and certainly no perfection, just real talk from my heart, a heart that beats for home.
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  Speaker 1: Let's dive in.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: Hello friends, welcome back to another week here at A Heart that Beats For Home, coming into the end of June month, one of our parenting series.
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  Speaker 1: We have had so much fun, so many great conversations.
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  Speaker 1: Today we have a super fun guest.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're going to maybe laugh today more than we usually laugh on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: My dear friend Naisha Chu is here with us and she has been married for 13 years to her hubby, has three kiddos and she is just a ball of energy.
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  Speaker 1: I met Naisha gosh probably eight, nine years ago, and if you are in a room with her you laugh.
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  Speaker 1: She just has the best sense of humor.
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  Speaker 1: She has so much zest for life and I feel like we relate on a lot of levels.
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  Speaker 1: And so today we're going to talk just kind of about all things family, because that's what we do here on the podcast, but some specific things about how God's kind of taken our independent, strong willed hearts and molded us into these women that just really have a heart for home and cultivating strong families.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: And so, naisha, I just want you to start off by telling us a little bit about you and your tribe.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: This is my podcast debut, so I feel so honored and when you first asked me I was like I don't know if I have anything to provide.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: But we've talked about how stories are so powerful and maybe somebody will resonate with something I have to say.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm Naisha Choo.
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  Speaker 2: I am a wife to my husband, roland, of 13 years, and I have three kiddos and they're at fun wild ages three, six and nine.
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: I have girl, boy, girl, so they are Audrey, who is nine, harrison, who is six, and Remy, who is three.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: We have a crazy household full of a whole lot going on and my husband has a very demanding job and we also homeschool.
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  Speaker 2: So we just are all over the place and I feel like I'm just surviving some days and then some days I feel like I'm absolutely nailing it.
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: Some days I'm thriving, some days I'm barely surviving, and that is the true idea of what motherhood is, and I think we don't get to talk about that.
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: We see so much on social media and it's everybody thriving and so those of us who are just seeing that through the lens, we don't talk about that barely surviving sometimes and I think today we'll dive into a little bit about that.
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  Speaker 1: Just because of exactly what you said, with your husband having such a demanding job and what that means, a little bit extra weight is put on you.
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  Speaker 1: But go back a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I laughed so hard.
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  Speaker 1: You put a 13th anniversary post up on Facebook and it was something along the lines of you basically thought you married this, this laid back chick, and you know, ultimately you got this crazy homeschool, overstimulated woman and nothing like you were dating and married and you said I pulled the epic bait and switch on you.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: So tell me a little bit just about kind of how, in the last 13 years, your life has really evolved.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: What are the things where it has really just kind of got shaken up really specifically in the last handful of years, and what do you think kind of brought you to that place?
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of us can relate to this Not everybody but I was just this like, fun loving.
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: I met my husband when I was in my senior year of college.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: He had just graduated college.
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  Speaker 2: We were both in a very fun phase of life and it was all about freedom and doing whatever we wanted and I was just kind of like sowing my wild oats and I was a fun, young, you know, chill girl wild oats, and I was a fun, young, you know, chill girl.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: And we dated for a while and we got married and I have always been this person who I'm very intrigued by things, and so I just think it was this like domino effect of I would learn about something you know okay.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: So a great example is we had a challenge to become parents.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: I'm this crazy, fun loving girl and then we get married and we have these first few years of marriage where we have no kids and we're living in Southern California and we're having a great time, and then I go down this rabbit hole of fertility and we had multiple miscarriages before we finally got pregnant with Audrey, and so I become this hyper-fixated person on how to have a baby.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: And then, once I'm pregnant and it actually sticks.
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like what's the best way to bring this child into the world?
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should not have a hospital birth, Maybe we should have her at home.
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: Everybody thinks I'm insane.
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  Speaker 2: So I go from signed up at a hospital like a regular person and you just do what everybody does to you read one book and you watch one documentary and before you know it, I am having her in the woods in a bathtub with a midwife and a cup of tea, Like I just feel like he's always like oh no, this poor man has to deal with all of my research and my open-mindedness kind of I don't know backfired on him a little bit, because I have just become this person that's constantly looking into the next thing down to homeschooling.
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: We became this family who had kids and they went to school just like every other kid.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, why are kids being ripped away from their parents?
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: I need to read this book and that book and maybe my kids need more attachment and they should be home with us.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: And I will have no breaks and be constantly overstimulated and have three kids that we never thought we would even be able to have, and they're never going to leave, they're just going to be home with us all the time and I'll educate them.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: Let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: So I just think that my poor husband which he laughs about this, I promise he's not in prison, but he's had to deal with all of my ebbs and flows and my rabbit holes and my becoming fixated on a certain thing that I want to make our life better, and it becomes something that's not necessarily easy on our family, but I think it's better.
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: I absolutely love what you just said there.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's going to be easier, but it's going to be better.
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: And I think there is something in us I believe it's from the Lord where he has given us women specifically not that men don't naturally see things for their family, but as moms who are with the kids and who are making the plans, who are doing the research.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: I can totally relate to that.
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  Speaker 1: For me as well, it starts with the Facebook post that I'm like I don't think I believe that.
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  Speaker 1: So then I start digging.
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  Speaker 1: Then it turns into the documentary, then it's like I'm in the group talking about it, then we're having coffee and tea and it is.
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: It's this ripple effect and it's it's being intrigued and wanting to learn and understand and not just accept everything that's being told to you about.
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: This is how we do it, this is how it should be done, this is what's best for your kids.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: And I think what I really love about your story too and I know we're going to get into a lot more details is this feeling like one side of you is like I'm really driven and all these things that I had maybe thought for my life were going to be the reality and then how everything changes and you have to put a lot of that aside.
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: You know you're doing the research, you're doing all the things, but you, homeschooling, you, being such a supporter to your husband who works just insane hours in the medical field, kind of dying to self, and just having to come to grips with this is just kind of where I'm at at this stage of life.
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: How have you handled that?
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  Speaker 1: Because, right, you went from.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: My kids are going to be in school, I'm going to have this time, so I think I'm supposed to set that all aside for a time.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: How did you kind of wrestle through that?
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, wrestle is such a good word because it was not an easy thing to come to terms with.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: Nothing I've done that has been a big shift for our family has just been like I wake up one day and I decide this right.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: It has all been this journey and this transformation that I've had to make inside of me and this like kind of battle that I've had with the things that I want for myself and what I feel like God wants for me, and it feels like there's some friction there sometimes and I'm like why I grew up with.
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: Both of my parents were in the military.
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  Speaker 2: They both went away a lot.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: I was often at a neighbor's house for weeks while my mom was in Turkey doing something.
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  Speaker 2: God knows what I planned on having kids going to work, building a career for myself, having somebody else watch them.
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  Speaker 2: I never had any even like desire to be a stay-at-home mom.
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a desire to be with my kids all the time because I didn't think that that was healthy.
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: Like society tells us that we should be overstimulated, overwhelmed and need time away from our kids and of course we do and we are.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: But also I think that we've been given that messaging for a reason, so that our kids can be raised a certain way and they can have certain ideas and certain philosophies on how they will grow up and what they will do and how they'll contribute to society.
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: So as I've learned that, I've had to know that maybe what I need for myself.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: I always say ambitious people don't become unambitious because their circumstances change, but sometimes their ambitions have to change because of their circumstances, right?
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: So my ambitions have shifted from powerhouse career woman.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I was in the corporate world for 10 years like loved my career.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: It was a huge part of my identity.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: I was very successful and I wore suits and I got on airplanes and I did the things that I always pictured myself doing.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: And then kids very much changed that for me, because leaving them like the physical act of leaving them to go on an airplane and put on a power suit didn't feel as good as it looked on paper or as I pictured it and I had to battle with do I want that identity for myself or am I willing to set that aside?
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: And I'm using air quotes right now.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: But just be a mom Like that sounds so sad to me.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: It did at the time, but now I know that it's my greatest calling and that's my ambition right now, and for some people I feel like they can do all of it and somehow feel very successful in both.
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: But I think most people who do both feel inadequate in both.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: They never feel like they're nailing it in either, and so, as a career woman, I felt like I was failing in my career.
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: I was failing as a mom, and I was never good enough in either arena, and in order to be really good at the most important one, which was being a mom, I had to set aside some of my ambitions in my career, and so that shifted and I had to just become okay with just being a mom and realize the word just was so silly because it's so.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: It was so huge and it's.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: It's literally everything and it's my entire legacy and it's my day to day.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: Monotonous, homeschool, mom, taxi driver.
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: Life is their childhood and I'm shaping them into who they're meant to be, and that's actually a huge calling and way more important than what I thought was important.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: What you just said there about ambitious people.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Don't become unambitious man that is powerful and it's just this picture of.
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  Speaker 1: I.
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  Speaker 1: Just get to take all of that, that wiring and the drive that God has given me, and I get to transfer that into now my role as a mom, and I get to be super ambitious and driven and and even, a lot of times, goal oriented.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: When you add things in like homeschooling and I laugh, I gave birth in the woods in a bathtub with a glass of tea, right, that takes some ambition, and so we get to take those ambitions that we had for other things that were were heart tugs for a time, and then just transition.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: I absolutely love, love, how you said that.
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: So how would you then say so you're this, this power, suit, driven, go getter.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: And then you transition to being a homeschool mom of little people, and you've got three little people pretty close together.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: How has that looked in your home, as you've had to even, I'm sure, make a lot of adjustments in your own style of how you communicate and how you come at things to go from this corporate person to now this homeschool mom and shepherder of little hearts and minds.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I mean I've had to change everything about everything.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: I really believe that I have had to shift my style, because my style was just being an ambitious person in the corporate world or in business.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: It's very direct and a little pushy and a little bit I don't know.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: I just felt like I was able to put on this power hat and now I'm like literally doing letter sounds with my three-year-old and it feels like I'm a completely different person, which is why the bait and switch post came to be, because it's like the inside joke in our family, because I feel like every everything that I was and everything that I would have described myself as is very different now.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: But it's all.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: I'm still the same person but, just like you said, I'm putting all of that drive and ambition into cultivating these little people and it just looks different on a day-to-day, because you can't be hard on little children as they're trying to learn.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: You have to be a little bit softer, you have to be flexible, you have to know that sometimes it's time to close the book and get in the pool or take a walk or let something go for one day and know that you'll make up for it the next, which is not the style of somebody who has big dreams and goals.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: In corporate America, you know you finish and you run through the finish line and you do more than is expected of you so that you can accomplish the goals.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm doing that kind of on the flip side because sometimes more than is expected of me is to stop, is to pause, is to give my children grace, is to give myself grace, and a lot of that was not a part of what was allowed of me before, and so it's about embracing that certain things are okay as an ambitious, driven, goal-oriented kind of intense person, because it's just a different.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: I'm in a different season of life and I'm in a different vocation right now and it's little people and it's harder for me because I am this very direct, driven, intense person and I can't be that every day all the time with a three, six and a nine year old.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: But I also have learned that that is a good thing.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: So how do you feel like?
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Do you run your homeschool?
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Are you super, super structured?
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Have you taken a lot of that, or have you literally done a 180?
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: And now you are more just this go with the flow, free spirit, and you just wake up and see where the wind blows.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, I am option B, 100%, and if you would have asked me 10 years ago if I would have ever described myself with any of those words wake up and see where the wind blows and all of that I would have laughed so hard.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: But that is the kind of homeschool mom I am.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: But it's because I've learned so much from my kids.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I think that I did send my daughter to school.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I just started homeschooling a year ago, so we are one not even a year in, and so I feel so new at this.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: But my daughter went to regular school.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: My son even went to kindergarten and my youngest is one that you know will never experience elementary school, at least probably.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: But they went off to school and now, having them home and having me be like the, the leader of their learning, I feel like I've gotten to know so much more of them because 80% of their lives were spent away from me.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: So I have learned who they are, how they learn, where their roadblocks are, what makes them completely shut down, what makes them open up and get excited about learning.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: That one likes to learn through more hands-on.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I've just learned that from them and because of that I feel like I have such a deeper relationship with my children and that's not to say that any mom that's listening right now who sends their kids off to school doesn't know their kids or doesn't have a deep relationship with their kids.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: But it is something that I felt like was a huge eye-opening thing for me to bring them home and to learn more about them and to use what I learned to adapt how I teach them, because I didn't really know how my son learned to read or what he was struggling with.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: It was just like is he making it?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: What's the report card say?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: What's the teacher's feedback?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Is there anything terrible?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: And now it's like I'm in the trenches with them.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: I'm learning along with them and I'm adapting to who they are by changing how I do things, and that is a huge deal.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: But learning who they are has been a huge blessing in homeschooling because I just felt like there was a big chunk of them that I didn't really understand, because I didn't need to.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Why do I need to know how they learn unless I'm the one teaching them?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I can say the same.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: We are new-ish.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: We were four or five years into homeschooling so I never homeschooled smaller kids.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I started homeschooling in the middle school and high school, which is crazy and totally different.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And for me I can just relate so much to what you're saying because when you're sitting with a kid and you are doing the history and you're doing all these different subjects, the science, the conversation that you get to have with these little humans, when you're sitting side by side talking about history and math and just the real life application things that you get to talk about and just that deep relationship.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate that you pointed out it doesn't mean that a mom that doesn't homeschool or a mom that is working corporate doesn't have a lot of those same abilities to have that relationship with her kid.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Because it is important.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I always try on the podcast.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're a working mom, a stay-at-home mom, a homeschool mom, a traditional school mom, super conservative, more liberal wherever you're at, you are a good mom and you are the mom that you are supposed to be for your children.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: But there is just something really special and I think in even hearing that for the moms that don't homeschool, I think it's just a good kind of reminder that we have to set up time.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: We have to set you don't get to know the ins and outs of your kids like that If you're not taking the time to crawl in at bed at night and take the 15 minutes to read the book and to really talk about the day, or to put the electronics away while you're in the car and you're driving.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Because I think the key is it's in the blocks of time that we get that face-to-face or that shoulder-to-shoulder with our kids.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: That the world has us so busy in the traditional again we're air quoting a lot in the traditional way of living that there is no blocks, there is nothing more than a passing of dropping Charlie off at this and picking up Susie from that and we just don't get the blocks of time.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: And so if you're, if you're a working mom, if your kids are in traditional school I think that's what I want all moms to hear is, however we do it, we just got to find those chunks of time to really lean in and have conversation and just put the devices away and lean in to talking and learning and hearing exactly what Nyesha said how your kids are wired, what makes them tick, what actually totally shuts them down, all those different things.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: So how have you kind of switching now into the marriage piece of this a husband that's taken a newer job that's super demanding kind of give us an idea of what that schedule looks like?
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: How have you balanced really taking a lot of the load for the things that are happening at home, and then how do you do that in a way that there's not resentment and bitterness and that you can just continue to be a really supportive spouse as he's pursuing his career?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that has been probably our biggest life struggle in the recent couple of years because he just took this job.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Roland is, he's always been such a hard worker and he's had big dreams for his career and he kind of just fell into this job where he's he's in medical device sales, so he helps physicians every day and he always has for his career.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And he kind of just fell into this job where he's in medical device sales so he helps physicians every day and he always has.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: That's always been his career.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: But in this new role he's literally being called into the emergency room when emergency cases happen so that he can be in surgery, and so when a doctor's on call, he's on call, and when a patient goes into the ER at midnight, he's out of bed to go help that doctor.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: And so it has transformed our lives.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Because there's so much unpredictability and there's so much more on my shoulders and, being an ambitious do it all, take care of it all person, when you add more to my plate, I just eat it, I just figure it out.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: And so for a while I thought that I was going to crumble under the weight of how much more I had to shoulder and I had to adjust and be far more vocal about what I needed, because, honestly, before he took this job, I didn't really need to do that because things were pretty balanced and so I didn't really have like these internal struggles about oh my gosh, I need help or whatever.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I felt like I could handle it, even if it was probably too much back then.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: And now we've had to have sit down conversations which, in our marriage, I think that this has been the hardest thing that we've encountered, because sitting down and having hard conversations about like us has not been the issue.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It's been other things, external stuff that is easy to talk about because it's not my fault or your fault.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Of course we've had things, but this has been the biggest thing where I'm like I need, I need, like I'm not well and I need whatever, and coming to terms with that myself, where I need to ask for help and he's not able to give it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: So I have to ask for help from hiring somebody so that I can have a few hours, because I'm always running from one thing to another, and then if your job is a mom and you are an ambitious person and you have to outsource some of your momming how much of a failure are you?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Like, why, like, if you need help doing the one job that you have, like I can't help Roland sell medical devices or save people in the emergency room, but he has to help me when I feel like I can't get dinner on the table, like that seems like I'm failing right, and so it was a lot of an internal struggle for me to realize that my job is 24-7.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: His kind of is too, to be honest.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But to ask for help doesn't mean that I'm failing as a mom, but it means that I am willing to admit that I need it, and that's something that any good mom would tell their kids to do, tell their friends to do, tell everybody else to do, but when they're sitting in it themselves, when I was sitting in it myself, I was a failure, and so that has been a big adjustment for me.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Like you're not failing If you need something, you are just doing too many things.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And just like you talked about before, I, you know, was picking my kids up and dropping them off on time, but the rest of the time was mine, and so now they don't go anywhere.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: There's no picking them up and dropping them off, except for their activities.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: So I am on always, and sometimes I have to hire somebody for four hours because I need to be in two places at once, and I used to be able to figure out how to make that work, but it was at the detriment of my mental health and of my children, like they'd rather be playing with a fun babysitter and learning letter sounds and in the car with me while I'm having a meltdown because I'm doing too many things.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: But was that an adjustment to understand 100%?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But we're getting there.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I am not there, but I feel like we are really adjusting to that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: So much good in what you just said and it sounds like communication outside of having to figure out the mom guilt part which, again I mean this comes up over and over Naisha, as we interview different guests the amount of similarities even though everybody's life is so different.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I love how you express what I think every mom will be able to relate to and I don't know we've ever heard it that way.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: If I have to outsource momming, I'm clearly failing as a mom.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But every powerful corporate person has an assistant and has a receptionist and has a travel agent that's booking their travel and somebody else is bringing in their coffee order and their lunch order, and we just don't give ourselves that same grace.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Because momming, as you said, it's such a huge umbrella of really a lifestyle.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And when you do figure out, what seasons are we in?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: What assistance do I need?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And this is very different than, like you know, I just want to hang out at the gym all day and my kids are in the way.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: This is very different.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: This is about aligning priorities and things that are important and for me and I'm sure you could talk on this too if you have one kid and you're running everywhere, nobody's really suffering and having to sacrifice.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But when you have multiple kids and we really noticed this when our oldest was in sports and our other two weren't when you're kind of stubborn and you say I can do it, all the other ones who are having to come along for all the things that are not their responsibilities are paying a price.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Not that it's necessarily even bad, but sometimes just taking that step back and saying what would position our family to function and flourish the best, and where do we need either grandma or that high school girl or the nanny that comes once a week so that it just runs smoother and that everybody is being seen, everybody's needs are being met?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think there's so much in what you shared there.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So what would you say to mamas who are maybe, maybe they're corporate, maybe they're working full time and yet they have some of the same nudges that you do?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: They're watching some of the documentaries they're pursuing.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Could I ever in my wildest dreams homeschool?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Will I feel lost?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Will I give up my entire identity?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: What would you say to moms that are maybe in the beginning stages?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And again, this podcast is not to advocate that every mom quits her job and they start homeschooling.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: That's not it at all.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But what would you say to the mom that really is in that position right now, that really is wrestling with man?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like God is kind of shuffling and stirring up some things, maybe with chisel working on some, some stone areas in my heart that I say I'm not releasing control of.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: What would you say to that mom?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I would say cut out.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Cut out all of the noise.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: If you were to delete your social media and you were not worried about a call from your mother-in-law and you weren't worried about what your best friend was going to say and the mom who is still following you on Facebook from kindergarten, if you were to cut out all of the noise except for what God is telling you to do, I think you know, and I knew for a long time, that we were meant to homeschool and I was just like, oh, it's so weird, oh it's so challenging, oh, I need a break from my kids.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I let societal pressure and the things that I thought people would say.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: My mom is a teacher, so she was in the military for 20 years and now she's a middle school teacher and has been there for over 20 years.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: What is my mom going to say?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Is she going to think that I don't respect her entire career because I've decided to homeschool and bring my kids out of the public school system?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And my mom has been one of the most supportive people, by the way.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: But if I were to cut all of that out and sit with God and what I knew had been like pinging at my brain and at my heart for over like probably two years.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I would have made that decision a long time ago.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Everything was based every doubt was based on an external factor that I didn't even know.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It was a hypothetical external factor that I was worried about.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But when I cut it all out and I decided to just listen and sit with it and decide not to care about what everybody thought, it was very clear to me, and so I say this to moms all the time who ask me.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I always say I think you know, I think you already know, and I think that you are worried about what other things and other circumstances and other people are going to have to say and adjust to.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But if you didn't care about any of that, which is so much easier said than done, you would know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And so that's my advice is to try to cut it out and decide.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: What would you do if none of the other stuff was a factor?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And you already know that that's gold.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That is absolutely gold.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: That applies not just to the homeschool conversation, obviously, that applies to any conversation.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: If you dumped yourself on an Island in the middle of nowhere and you had nothing but your Bible and a journal and you were writing out, would what you're doing today be different than what your heart would be telling you you know you're supposed to do?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: When there is none of that noise, I mean, I think that that is just that's a good takeaway right there, friends, that no matter what you're struggling with, ask yourself that If I just disconnected and you probably already do know a lot of times a nudging is a reality of a need for change, and it's just the resistance that turns into the battle of waiting to make that decision so, so good, and obviously sacrifice comes with that right.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: So let's kind of transition to that for a second.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: When you said, yes, you knew that you were supposed to do this.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: What sacrifice did you have personally, and then also as a family, to make that a reality?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of times when you're giving up a salary, a lot of sacrifice goes into that, and how have you been able to navigate and manage that?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I think I started with I can still do it all.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I'll figure it out.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: When I started homeschooling, I was like I will still bring in a massive income from my business.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I will, I will school these kids like never before.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: They will sit at a 90 degree angle with a pencil in their hand and they will nail this homeschool thing and I have like I have it in me Like I've always done it all, I will do it all again, and then it's just like reality, reality, reality.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And I had to shift and I did have to sacrifice because I it's just like you said with social media, you're watching people do it all.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I've seen moms do everything that I thought that I could also do and I have not been able to do that, and it feels like a huge I'm not good enough.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: But you know your limits and you know, I knew that I wasn't capable of.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Just like I said earlier, I was going to fail at both if I tried to do everything, and so I had to sacrifice my ambitions in one arena, which was business, the finances that I was bringing in so that I could pour everything into our family in this and it looked like a lot of identity crisis, and it looked like a lot of me wondering why I wasn't as good as so and so, even though we all promised, we're not going to do that to ourselves, and it looked like a lot of me having to I don't know just adjust my mindset around who I was meant to be and how I was meant to do it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: But it also looked like so much fulfillment when I got to nail it in this other category, because I gave myself the grace to put the other thing down for a minute and I know that I'm in a season that is so all consuming.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I have a three year old that, I'm shocked, has not like banged on my door in the last 30 minutes because she needs me so much right now and she just has, you know, this attachment.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I have a nine-year-old who is at gymnastics 15 hours a week, 40 minutes away, and we have to, just like you said, adjust the rest of the family to accommodate her dreams and her and her sport.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I have a lot on my plate where I feel like I've had to let go of some other things while I'm in this all-consuming stage, because one day she's going to drive herself to gymnastics and one day the three-year-old is not even going to want to be in my room when I'm, you know, sitting and having a meeting or I need time to myself.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And so I also recognize you hear, when you're walking through Costco, the old ladies, the old moms always say the same thing You're going to miss this Embrace it You're going to.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: You know them.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Sitting in the cart and eating the Costco samples is something you're going to be so sad to miss and snuggle your babies.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And so I know for a fact that, even when I don't love it, this is the time that I'm going to miss.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And so I go back to that when I feel like I'm failing because I had to set something else down, you know.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And so I feel like that adjustment, along with that knowledge that I 100%.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: This is the timeframe that's going to be the hardest to look back on and know that I'm not needed the way that I am now.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I think that that's probably what got me through all of that identity crisis.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: But it was hard, it has been hard, it still is hard.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I love the quote.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I heard it years ago and it's one that I go back to often.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: It said that what you contribute to society might not be something but someone.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: And you really think about that and, as a mom, I think all of our hearts would be like sure, I want to have all these accomplishments, I want to use my degree, I want to have all these accomplishments, I want to use my degree, I want to have this, you know, drive for my career.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But if you asked a hundred moms, I bet 99 would say if you could choose to have a killer career or you could choose to raise a child that becomes somebody that is a world changer, what would you rather have?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And I think every mom would say oh my gosh, I will just invest my life into raising the people who are going to be absolute world changers, the next leaders, the next innovators, and that, ultimately, is what we get to do as a mom.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And I think, when you can look at it that way, it does really change your perspective that I might not personally contribute that huge thing to the workforce, but I might be raising the person that is going to have the next cure for a disease or the next invention that changes the world, or just a really good, solid human being that is a person of integrity and is going to be a difference maker in the next generation that's coming up.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So goodness, Naisha, so much in that I think so many moms are going to be able to relate to you, whether they're already in this journey of bait and switch and they're down the rabbit hole.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: We actually, yesterday we were sitting in the backyard and we were watching this baby bunny and my daughter was like oh my gosh, she just went down that hole and I was like, thus the saying down the rabbit hole.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: And man oh man, I know you and I have been there, but let's just transition real quick.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: As we are finishing up, I want to ask you in some of the interviews we've gotten to these over the summer some of them we haven't, but I think you would have some fun insight to some of just these lighter hearted questions.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: So what is one parenting hack that you swear by?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I think that the biggest hack that I tell other, especially new moms, is, if possible, obviously when your kids are older, make them wait.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Make them wait a second.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: When I had my first kiddo, I would sprint to her every need and she became the kind of person that expected that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And after you have multiple children and you're like you know what I gotta get this kid is in the bath and you need to wait a second, like I watched my kids adapt and figure stuff out and and like just become more efficient, more self-sufficient human beings.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: As I made them wait inadvertently because I like could not be in two places at once or three places at once with three kids, and they became better at things than my first.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: My oldest daughter is incredible, but she definitely expected me to be at her beck and call every second and when I literally could not do that for the second, he just became a more adaptable human being.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And then my third, people tell me jokingly that they would let Remy do their taxes.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: She is so personally efficient, she will get stuff done, she does everything on her own as a three-year-old and I just did not have that three-year-old first round.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Right, she's currently downstairs cooking your family dinner.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Exactly, she does so funny.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, what about a memorable parenting fail that you can laugh about now?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound that big of a deal.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But I did a really intense crazy hair day for Audrey when it was not crazy hair day and I sent her on the bus and let her go to school, like that and it was so.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: It was just so embarrassing probably more for me than it was for her and it was literally the first moment that I was like I don't think I'm cut out for this because, as easy as it is to send your kids off to school, like why are there so many days, why are there so many themes?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Why are there so many things that I have to keep track of as a mom?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I had a new baby at the time and she was in kindergarten and I got a picture from her teacher and she was like this is fun.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And I was like is it not?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Is it not the day for this?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And it was not.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how did she?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: How did your?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: daughter handle it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: She was.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: She was like I took some of it out myself so it looked more normal.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But I just thought it was funny and silly and like she did not mind she is so chill.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I had like so much guilt about that for so long but she took it so well that I got to.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: You know, calm down about that, but I'm not good at all the themes.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not, yeah, and they all come at the end of the year when you're already barely hanging on you.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I know, you know my sister.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: You'll have to talk to her.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: She did the exact same thing and sent her daughter I believe it was Pippi Longstockings, and so she had like the wire in the hair with like the straight out, and the teacher called and was like, yeah, it's not today and your daughter is really distressed Like whoops.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I can relate.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so funny.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, what is your go-to family activity for creating memories?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: We became probably it was actually over Christmas I decided that we are not things people anymore.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: We are not things people, we are not toy people.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: We do not need things, we only need experiences.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: So for every holiday, for everything that my kids have, their birthday or whatever, I ask them what experience they would like to have, and we try to do it as a family or, if they prefer, you know, my husband and I, or just me.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I let them choose.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: But they're not going to choose things because I am so sick of clutter, I'm so sick of the overwhelming amount of things so that we can't pick one thing.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: You know, when the when kids are over overwhelmed by toys, they don't play with any of them.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And so I literally cleaned out our playroom and it's just a fun like sensory room where they can jump around and bounce around.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: It has monkey bars.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I redid that for Christmas.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: So the good news was they got that really fun room and the bad news that they didn't even really notice was that they did not have one toy.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: They did not get one toy and I got rid of all of their toys and it has been so amazing for our family, because I cannot stand things and I realized that the overcrowding of our house with just like the trinkets and the toys was, I did not handle it well, and so I was constantly overstimulated and overwhelmed by throwing things away and putting things away, and so it helped me, and I also think it's helped them, that it's completely off the table, like, of course, if they need a thing or want a thing, that makes sense, it's not a no-no, but it's not what we expect.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: We expect what experience have you thought of that you want to do with us for this particular holiday?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And then you're just creating this.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: The toys are all.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Whether you use them for a year or five years, they're all going to end up in the garbage, and those experiences and those memories are going to be things that they take with them forever.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It's like the collecting of memories.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, If you had a parenting do-over, what would it be?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I think it would just be the stress over doing everything perfectly right, like again with my first.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I was a perfectionist mom.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I was, so I feel like my anxiety was always at a 10.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I needed her to sleep a certain amount of hours and not in my bed.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I needed her brain to develop properly at night, and so if she wasn't sleeping enough it would panic me, and so I just feel like I had so much panic and stress that I did not enjoy motherhood as much with my first child.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: And then, like the others, I was like this goes by so quickly, because when you're a new mom, every day especially when you haven't slept feels like seven years, and every minute that things are not going well feels so drawn out.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But when you look back at it, it wasn't that big of a deal and it wasn't that long.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And if you had just embraced some of the challenges and been up with your kid like I see my friends who have new babies who, just like you know, play with them in the middle of the night I would have never like it would have messed up her sleep schedule.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: What if she got too stimulated and didn't go back to sleep?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: They just lean into that and I feel like they're having such a more enjoyable time.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: And by the time I had a second and third kid.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I obviously did more of that where I just was like, well, it seems like we're not sleeping at night.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Three o'clock is when we're going to have a snack or when we're going to.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: You know, I just felt like I gave myself and my kid so much more grace as I had more, and if I had done that with Audrey, I would have enjoyed her little tiny days a lot more.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Less resistance and more just relaxing.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about you and Roland and how you've had to navigate the work thing.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: But what, outside of just scheduling, what are things that you would say are big pieces of marriage advice to just kind of keep your marriage a priority in this really busy stage of life?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: And I did happen to see that, roland, I did a little bit of stalking on on social media, but on the same time that you were writing about you pulling the epic bait and switch on him, he was writing an anniversary post to you and it said we're in the best years of our life right now.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: And so how, even in the craziness it is just mind boggling sometimes how you can be in the busiest, maybe most stressful times of your life but also recognizing these are the days.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, every single country song is written about it that these are the days that we're going to look back on and be like those were the good days.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And so what do you guys do to kind of preserve your marriage and keep that in a healthy space in this stage of life?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I think we don't turn the TV on in our room and so we are forced to chat and so we really download and discuss and just get it all out there, just like the highs and lows and the things that are on our mind, and I think that it's easy for those to just get compounded and become more than they are if it's not just put out there every day.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I also really and I know it's a privilege to do this, because not everybody has the ability to leave their kids but we leave our kids and I need to leave my kids every once in a while and luckily I have a really supportive mom and she will watch the kids.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: But we will plan a staycation or a little vacation just for a few days where it's just the two of us and it's like, oh my gosh, I really like you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You need those reminders when you feel like sometimes you're just.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: You know it gets a little testy when there's a three-year-old screaming and you can't finish a sentence, or you're always ships passing in the night and you need to just like go on a date night or you need and I know that that's just the most basic advice, but I think I see a lot of people in my life who don't prioritize that, and you can.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: It shows because it's very difficult to reconnect with little people chirping all the time, and so we really make that a priority and I feel like we do a good job.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: It's not like this scheduled once a month.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: We always have a date night or whatever, but it's often enough that we feel like we can come back home because we are each other's home base, right, so we do that for sure it's interesting.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: You know you said that it seems so basic the whole dating, but I think it's one of the first things that we let go.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: We put everything else as a priority the kids schedules, the ball games, the, this, the that, the work schedules, that it is the quickest thing that you can say well, I'm just taking that off the calendar because I can, and we are okay, we're fine.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And then we're okay and fine turns into actually we're not really that great to like Ooh, this isn't a bad place.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: And even so many times I've said it doesn't have to be every single week.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Would that be a goal?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But if you committed to dating two hours once a month, compound interest in all of these things blows my mind.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Like, do you think that 12 dates over the course of a year would improve your marriage over having zero?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's just.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: It's those small little decisions.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: So I know it does sound simple, but I appreciate that that's what you give, because sometimes it is just the simplest things.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: And then the last one what's your favorite resource as a mom?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Just for you, for advice, for support, for inspiration.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I've told everybody the Bible is a freebie, otherwise I think everybody would say to me the Bible.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: So Bible is a freebie.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: You already get that one.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Outside of that, what's your favorite advice, support or inspiration as a mom?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I am such a researcher and sometimes I just have to talk to other moms, like sometimes I think the more experienced moms are always my go-to because I have gained, even in my nine years of being a mom.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: There are things that I would do differently, like I said, and there are things that I would change, and sometimes I just need a sounding board.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: That's my personality.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Like I need to say something out loud and have something with more knowledge and just wisdom than I do.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Tell me I'm being ridiculous or tell me I'm right and spot on, but, like those moms that have the experience even a few years more than me, always put it to me straight and I think that they are my favorite resource, because you can look for a book on anywhere you sweat, like if you are a pro something or anti something, there's a book for it, and so you can get confirmation bias anywhere you want.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: But a mom, a seasoned mom, is not going to get, not going to be that person.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: She's right for that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: She's like I know you've read the book, I already know you have an opinion, but it's wrong.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Trust me, Let me save you some time.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Well, Naisha, is there any last little thing?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything like you're like hey, we didn't talk about this, but I really want to offer this to moms or dads that are listening.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Is there any last little piece of advice that you would leave our listeners?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: with I piece of advice that you would leave our listeners with.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I think it goes back to.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: You probably already know where your journey.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: God has already placed on your heart where your journey is meant to go, and you are probably stopping yourself because of some sort of external variable that might not even exist, some hypothetical scenario that you've played out in your head 50 times.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: But whatever God has placed on your heart, you're going to end up there anyway.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: So you're probably wasting your time combating against that, and so I just encourage you to follow your gut.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Your gut is there, but your gut is there, placed by God, and it's there and it's not going to go away.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: It's not going to miraculously evaporate because you ignore it long enough, and so I think that that's the advice that I wish that I had given myself, because my kids asked to homeschool.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: My husband was supportive of homeschooling.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I was the problem.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I was the person stopping myself, even though I knew that it might not be homeschooling for you.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It could be so many other things that we stop ourselves because we don't want to, and I get that.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to do a lot of things.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to give birth in a bathtub.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to homeschool my kids.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to have stances in this world and in life that were so much harder than just going with the status quo.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: And one of my favorite quotes is even a dead fish can go with the flow, everybody can go with the flow, but you're called to swim against the current right, and you probably already know in what category that is.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: So just do it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Even a dead fish can go with the flow.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make it super impressive, does it Not that?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Not that impressive.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: So much good stuff here.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I have just loved watching you as you have navigated through.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I've known you since you had just maybe one or two littles, all the way up to where you're at now, and as a mama who is 20 some years into the parenting journey, it has just it has blessed me to watch you navigate these recent stages and to watch you enroll and work together to accomplish dreams and to still keep family a priority and to just figure it out as a family unit has been really, really cool.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much, Naisha, for being here with us.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Friends, if you are listening, before you log out of the app, make sure that you scroll down, take three seconds and hit that five-star rating so that we can continue to get this podcast into the algorithms and out to other parents who are passionate about cultivating strong families.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: So until next week, friends, take care.