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February 15, 2018 | Men Of Success - Winter 2018, Session 6 - Mindset: The New Psychology Of Success · Topeka Bible Church Audio Archive

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right, men, good morning.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to uh Men of Success.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, each week I I kind of debate what it is I'm gonna say to kick things off.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I the this morning, the the thing that has just kind of gone over my mind is reading the news, it just seems like the events of this world continue to be more and more unsettling every day.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, no, and uh, but um fortunately our hope is not in the things of the world, our hope is in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it just makes me all the more want to say, Come, Lord Jesus, even now come.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, I was thinking I never worried when in all my years my kids were in school, I never once worried about whether or not they'd come home at the end of the day.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: And these days that seems to be uh something that parents think about, and uh that's sad.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: So but anyway, we're talking about that shooting, yeah.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just anyway.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh setting that aside, uh mindset.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've been reading through the um uh the the paper and kind of thinking about uh well gee, how does that apply to me?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was thinking, well, how does that apply to my kids?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, gee, this would be great uh something I'd want to talk to my family about whenever we're we're together next.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but I've got two of them now, Jameson left, and he's he and Hillary back out at Lost Valley Ranch.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh but fortunately Cindy and I get to go out and see them here at uh at the end of March.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: So but anyway, I'm gonna I'm gonna hold any comments uh maybe until next week when when we talk through part of this on this mindset and let these guys kick this off.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Paul.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Paul.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: And another good breakfast for this morning?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Nah, it's terrible breakfast, just terrible.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, don't just disregard that comment from Jim, not from me.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: So so far it's been a good week.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: Seems like uh KU and K-State have good weeks.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, KU beat Iowa State at Iowa State, and K-State just beat um Oklahoma State.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: That was a big win down there at OSU.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Is Iowa State bottom of the Big Tip or Big 12?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they last I think they're at the very last, aren't they?
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad they picked it up because they got smacked by Baylor a couple of days ago.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: Really bad.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: 14, 15 points.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: We got to get both of these teams in the NCAAs and so forth.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then anybody watching the Olympics?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: Anyone making time for that?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a lot of fun, isn't it?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: So it's beautiful down there.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's fun to root for the South Koreans, it's fun to root for the Americans, and and uh I've missed these latest two goals, Sean White's and Michaela Schiff's, but I'm hoping that uh I get to see those eventually.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard to keep up.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's so much coverage in there.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you feel like you could spend every waking minute watching the Olympics.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: And this started on the 8th of February, and we're now at the 15th, and it's still going on.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be this like a week and it's like a two-week.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's a two-week deal, isn't it?
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_02: So are we halfway through almost?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: This book, okay, we're gonna get into mindset.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're always looking for a simple concept that explains a lot.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: This is about as simple and reduced to concept.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: Derek is as I can imagine.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: And um so anyway, let's talk about this.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, some of you have maybe read the uh read the sheet.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: The book starts with uh Carol talking about how uh she observed uh students, uh I think elementary students, and watching them, bringing them into a room one at a time and watching them do puzzles and seeing how they responded differently.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: And how uh, if the puzzle was hard, how some students would quickly give up.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: But other students would go, you know, this is some would say, I, you know, this is impossible, or others would say, I love a challenge.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: And uh so this somehow uh ended up with them coming up with this very simple idea that they feel is more basic than a personality test, than an IQ test, than all of these other things, and that is that you can divide people up at any particular time in their life between those who have a fixed mindset, she calls it, and those who have a growth mindset.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: The fixed mindset people believe that intelligence and talent are fixed at birth.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: And others believe that intelligent talent can go up and down.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: How many of you grew up with the fixed mindset, sort of being taught that?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: Do you understand what I mean by that?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: Did anybody else get an IQ test when you were young?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: Or yeah, remember that?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then they'd tell you the IQ test, especially if it was high or whatever, and then but they would imply that somehow that was fixed.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: And in chapter one, she points out that the inventor of the IQ test hadn't did not believe that it was fixed, but believed this was just sort of a starting point and that you could change it.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: The opposite of what, well, at least I was taught in grade school.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, so in the first chapter, she's trying to find out, she's trying to explore, trying to help you understand what these two mean.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: And she comes up with a story problem, and I've changed her story problem into one that you and I might face, because hers is uh, I don't know, it's girlish.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: So the one I've come up with is one morning you go out to drive to work and you discover you have a flat tire.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: When you finally get to work, the boss makes a comment about your lateness.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: And in a staff meeting, your best idea gets laughed at.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: That evening on the way home, you don't notice a school zone and get slapped with a ticket.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: At supper, you let off steam to your wife.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: But instead of sympathy, you get criticism for never checking tires and driving too fast.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: What would you think?
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: What would you feel?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: What would you do?
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: Are the three questions she asks.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then she says, in the studies they do and in the tests, fixed mindset people respond like this.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like a loser.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a total failure.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: I have no life.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: My luck is awful.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: Life is unfair to me.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing I try works.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_02: The world is out to get me.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: Comments like that.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas growth mindset people respond something like this.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: I really should check the tires more often.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't gotten a ticket in a long time.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was due.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: Now that I know how it feels, I need to be more sympathetic to my wife.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: Things like that.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: See the huge difference.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: So uh later on in chapter one, she asked, So, what mindset do you think you have?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: And she asked these four questions.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: How do you answer these?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: She says, True or false?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: Your intelligence is something very basic about you that you can't change very much.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: True or false.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: What would you how would you answer this?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: You can learn new things, but you can't really change how intelligent you are.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: Third question: true or false?
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: No matter how much intelligence you have, you can always change it quite a bit.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or true or false.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: You can always substantially change how intelligent you are.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now, for me, the shocking thing was that she then said after that, in place of intelligence, you can feel free to substitute character or personality, artistic talent.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's the one I didn't believe until later in the book.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Artist uh sports ability or business skill.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: So you could substitute those for intelligence.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: Which mindset do you have?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, the first two questions.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you answer true to those, you'd be more of a fixed mindset person.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: If you answer true to the latter two questions instead, you would be more of a growth mindset person.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: So as I drag uh closer to the end of chapter one and hand it over to Derek for chapter two, think about someone you know.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Think about how they're always trying to prove themselves and how they're super sensitive about being wrong or making mistakes.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever wonder why they were this way?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Are you this way?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: Now you can begin to understand why.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Think about someone you know, on the other hand, who's not fixed mindset, but growth mindset.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: Think about how they are always trying to stretch themselves and how open they are to advice and correction.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: Think about the ways they confront obstacles and difficulties.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Did you ever wish you were more like them?
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: What are some ways you might like to change or stretch yourself?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: All of that is in chapter one.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: Chapter two says, uh, I forget the title, something like Digging Deeper into Mindsets.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: So as we jump into chapter two and we continue to look at this fixed versus growth mindset, uh, one of the first things that she points out, and she she gives a quote by Benjamin Barber, who he's an author, wrote quite a few books, um, pretty big in the political scene, and actually just died this past year, I think in May or something like that.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: But he has this quote and he says, I don't divide the world into the weak and the strong, or the successes and the failures, I divide the world into the learners and non-learners.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: And those are basically those two categories.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the learners would be the growth mindset people, the ones who, when they're faced with the challenge, they say, Wow, this is this is a challenge.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: What can I do?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: How can I make this better?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: What can I improve on?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas the non-learners are the people in the fixed mindset camp who, when faced with the problem, maybe they say it's everyone else's fault, or I'm a horrible person, or this is just the worst thing ever.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm gonna kind of curl up and not see how I can improve on the situation.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the next quote up here is one from John Wooden, legendary basketball coach.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Says, you can make mistakes, but you aren't a failure until you start blaming others for those mistakes.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the key things that she points out in the book is a lot of times when we fail, especially for those people who are more naturally fixed mindset people, they will fail at something and they will equate that failure with them themselves being as a whole a failure of a person, which are very different things.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so Wooden takes that and then goes into the the blaming others part.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because if we think that we're a failure and we're in the fixed mindset camp, then our natural tendency is going to say, Well, it's his fault I didn't do this particular thing.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's her fault I didn't run fast enough, it's his fault, the the play didn't work like it was supposed to work.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then we've got this.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure all of us have heard the this story growing up of the tortoise and the hare.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: And when we think about this story, and typically when we're taught about this story, we are encouraged to be the tortoise and not the hare.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: We are encouraged to be kind of the slow and steady, you'll get there when you get there, just the consistent effort will work.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: And it's almost like the hair is is bad, or the hair is evil, or the hair is, I don't know, not worthy to be uh to to go after, to to be like, to emulate.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: But what she says in the book is well, maybe that's not so true.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because there are people who are naturally gifted at certain things, who are just have this ability like the hare has, but there's also people who don't have that ability.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: And with those two, you can actually have different uh uh combinations, different characteristics of the tortoise and the hare that are both helpful, that are both positive.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the problem with that story is I want to be there as I'm growing up, I don't want to be slow and plotting, I want to be talented and fast like the rabbit.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: But the implication is that talented people are lazy.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: And and and so is it possible to be both a hare and also run as fast as you can?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, she said.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll we'll check that out, and and especially that idea as we're younger.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, Jim, nobody wants to be the tortoise, but that's what we're taught that we need to be.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: But there's times when we can be the hare, we can be the tortoise, they are different, and it really depends on our mindset, and we're gonna actually look and see how that analogy plays out a little bit more specifically with sports.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I know a lot of a lot of us grew up playing sports at some level at some point, but we'll look at that in chapter four.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's this Calvin and Hobbes cartoon, which is great.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Hobbes and I had a frank exchange of ideas.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: What happened to you?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing?
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Homework?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't sure I understood this chapter, so I reviewed my notes from the last chapter, and now I'm rereading this.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do all that work?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now I understand it.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Huh?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: I used to think you were smart.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: And this is this is a this is a basic premise that if you have to work hard for something, you must be dumb.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: You must be dumb.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: You you can't be smart because if you were really smart, you wouldn't have to study, you wouldn't have to put in the work, it would just all come naturally if you were truly smart, which she explains in the book, is a completely bogus idea.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's a fixed mindset idea.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And we see that a lot of times as we've grown up in school.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: If something comes easy to you or to one of your classmates, oh, he's really smart, she's really smart.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: If somebody has to work really hard, they're not as quickly accepted or or viewed as smart or talented.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, here's some illustrations of that.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: We, this is Malcolm Gladwell, writes a lot of leadership books.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: We value natural effortless accomplishment over achievement through effort.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that a true thing?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Especially, I think, as we'll see in chapter four, when it comes to sports.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Those those are the people who get praised, who get put up on a pedestal, not necessarily the hardworking ones.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then this study from Duke, Duke University researchers.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Our female students suffer anxiety and depression because they aspire to effortless perfection, perfect beauty, and perfect grades, all without appearing to try.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: So they they studied a bunch of female students on campus and found that they were so stressed out, they were so anxious because they didn't want to look like they had to put in any work and still wanted to get the A's, still wanted to be top of the class, still wanted to do those things.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: And because kind of as generally as a society, we don't view the hard work as the thing to aspire towards, they're freaking out and stressing out and depressed.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then the last one, this French executive says, We are not a nation of F words, just like that.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: I got a friend over in France who lives and works in France, and I and what is it?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: They're trying to reduce, by law, reduce the work week to 30 hours now, and there's a required two months vacation every year or something.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's incredible.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then this last slide, just another another example, another picture of this fixed versus growth mindset, avoiding challenges, giving up easily, seeing effort as pointless, ignoring useful feedback, feeling threatened by the success of others.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that fixed mindset, and then that growth, embracing challenges, persist in the face of setbacks, see effort as a path to mastery, learn from criticism, and feels that lessons and inspirations from and in the success of other people.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so, as you can tell with that arrow, she's gonna be moving in this book to showing you how you can get your children, because all of us have children who are mixed, some who tend to be growth, others who tend to be fixed.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: How you can move your children, how you can move yourself from fixed to growth.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: Third chapter, this will be called, I won't take too long on this, is entitled The Truth About Ability and Accomplishment.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, what she does is she starts off by listing people like Mozart.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Edison tells stories of how these incredibly talented people like the hare, how they worked.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: We think that they didn't have to work, but Edison had a team, he worked for years, he failed.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Same with Mozart, who is uh totally his music was totally ignored for decades.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: And the truth is that talented people have had to work hard.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: Then she gives a number of examples in this book about how they've gone into schools and gone especially to those places like junior high and college where you have these tough transitions and watched how kids, how students adjust.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: For example, she says students with a fixed mindset going into junior high school where school suddenly gets harder, who were facing this hard transition saw it as a threat.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: It threatened to unmask their flaws and turn them from winners into losers.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, in the fixed mindset, adolescence is one big test.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Am I smart or dumb?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Am I good looking or ugly?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Am I cool or nerdy?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: Am I a winner or a loser?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: And in the fixed mindset, a loser is forever.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's no wonder that many adolescents mobilize their resources not for learning, but to protect their egos.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the main ways they do this is by not trying.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: This low effort syndrome is a way that students with a fixed mindset protect themselves, right?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: You've seen this.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: So uh they take tests, for example, and in the event of an exam failure, uh, the fixed mindset says I'm a failure because my IQ isn't high enough, I can't change my IQ.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: The growth mindset says I failed this exam because I didn't study enough.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: I can do better if I try harder.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: And that, of course, affects everything else.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Down at the bottom, you have the behavior.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: One group gives up, makes excuses, the other gets tutoring and studies harder, with the result they pass the next exam.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, what she does is she gives examples of how in inner city schools where everybody was failing, you had a growth mindset principal or teacher come in.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: And movies have been made about this.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Remember the movie Lean on Me, like a long time ago, before some of you were born, you know, I think it was LA or whatever.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and uh then the Marva Collins way, so you had famous actors or actresses.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: And before everybody was saying, can these students learn?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: And the answer was generally no.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: But after these growth mindset people came in, the school became transformed because the question was then, how will they learn best?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you've you've seen these, and so these are great examples.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Final slide I've got here for chapter three.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: How can we give people the confidence they need to go achieve?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: More than 80% of parents told us here's the danger of praise.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: And as you know, our society is built on this.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: More than 80% of parents told us it was necessary to praise children's ability so as to foster their confidence and achievement.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: It makes sense.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: But then we began to worry, she says.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: We thought about how people with a fixed mindset already focused too much on their ability rather than their effort.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: So we conducted studies.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: We gave students a set of ten problems from a nonverbal IQ test as part of the SAT.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: They mostly did well and we praised them.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: We praised some of the students for their ability.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: We said, wow, good job.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: You did great.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: You got eight out of ten.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: You must be smart.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: We praised the others for their effort.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: We said, wow, you did a great job.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: You got eight out of ten right.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: You must have worked really hard.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: Not made to feel like they had some special gift, but because they did what it took to succeed.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: And from then on, every every test they gave gradually, those students who had been praised for their natural gift as the questions got harder gave up.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: They hated to fail.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: They thought it would affect who they were.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: The ability-praised students did worse and worse.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: The effort-praised students did better and better, just working harder.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: You might say, she says, praising ability actually lowered the students' IQs.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Praising effort raised them.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: That amazing.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Such an interesting thing.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think most of us probably growing up in school, at least I was, definitely a fixed mindset student all the time.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: If I if the outcome was good, then I was smart.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: If the outcome wasn't so good, then I wasn't smart.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it didn't really matter how we got to the outcome.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: The outcome was really the only thing that mattered.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now, we who love sports, for chapter four, and you've got this chapter.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: This is really interesting.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: Some famous athletes we know, like John McEnroe, fixed mindset, ruined his career, others the opposite.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it starts off with a story about a guy I didn't even know about.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Billy, this guy, Billy Bean, who was uh baseball player.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's supposed to be the next Babe Ruth, supposed to be this hot shot, and he was naturally very good.
• 21:59
  unknown: He was
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Naturally very good.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so he he he got to plays in the minors, in the majors.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: He was on the front of Sports Illustrated, you know, as uh as a collegian, as the next superstar.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: He was anyway, he was he was a rock star.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: But then we find out that he didn't handle criticism so well, didn't handle failing well, was gonna throw things.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's like he couldn't even strike out once without freaking.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, he would freak out, he would break things and throw bats and all this stuff that was not very helpful to the team.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, during this, we would say, and she would say in the book, that he is in a fixed mindset.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: But later, he comes back as a coach for the Oakland A's.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as recent as 0-2, wins 103 games in a season, and looking at him, his mindset had changed to when he saw a failure, when he saw someone strike out, when he saw something um undesirable happen, he didn't throw things and freak out and just kind of curl up into a ball, but rather he he looked at it and said, wow, here's an opportunity for improvement.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: What can we do?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: What can we fix?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: What can we make better?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: What can I do better as a person to improve where we're at?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's the example of the growth mindset.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: And you don't have to be a tortoise to have that mindset.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: Take Michael Jordan, talk about here's here's a picture of Michael when he was when he was little, and you can tell his older brother was clearly a lot better.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's so great.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, everybody, most people love Michael Jordan and love seeing him.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And whether you think he's the greatest of all time, or whether you're on the new bandwagon for LeBron, either way, Michael Jordan is one of these guys who he wasn't naturally the greatest person and started from when he was in fifth grade all the way through being a pro.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: And most of you guys know he got cut from his high school team, from his high school varsity team.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: And who can imagine that?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: He was he's Michael Jordan.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: But he got cut from that team.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't go to the school that he wanted to.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted to go to, I think it was North Carolina State, didn't get accepted there, didn't get a scholarship from the coach, ended up going to North Carolina and became one of these pros.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: But in the interviews with him and talking with him, one of the things that that we see is how hard he worked.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: He would stay after practice, even after they lost a championship or lost a game, he would be the first one to come back and start working on his shots, start working on his dribbling, start working on all of those things because he valued the hard work so much, and it wasn't just naturally given to him.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: But when we see him, a lot of times we don't see those behind-the-scenes things of how he became great.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh as John wouldn't quote again, ability may get you to the top, but here here uh Carol Deweck, the author of this book, takes a turn in the sports chapter into character and how important that is.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you at the top.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: To keep you at the top.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's we're we'll see, and I think you guys would all agree with that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Just because you're naturally talented, you can use that to probably get you to the top.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if you want to stay there, you have to have character because if you don't, you're gonna make boneheaded moves and take people off and not be the team player and and all those things.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Part of character is hard work.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's interesting that hearing those interviews with Gary Woodland, who's just, as you know, who just won his, I think, third tournament, first tournament that he's won in five years, and he talks about the you know, the tragedy of this last year, losing a child, and he talks about how hard he worked in the offseason.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: And she would say there's that's a sign of character.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can think of maybe a guy like a Johnny Manzel or something like that, who is very talented, gets to the top, low character, falls off the map once he gets there, couldn't exactly stay there.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Good point.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: So you mentioned putting these, you asked me to put these findings up here, you know.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: These are interesting.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Those with the growth mindset found success in doing their best in learning and improving.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: She has this quote from Jackie Joyner Kersey.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Some of you don't know her.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she she was this, she ran all these races.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Does anybody remember hearing that name?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, good.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: And she was uh she was in the heptathlon, yeah, right?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: And she won it year after year after year.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh for me, the joy of athletics has never resided in winning.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mind losing as long as I see the improvement.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Or I feel I've done as well as I possibly could.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: If I lose, I go back to the track and work some more.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: This next finding.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh next two findings.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Those with the growth mindset found setbacks motivating in a wake-up call, which is very different than the fixed mindset, who view setbacks as them crush basically crushing their spirit or blaming everyone else, not necessarily as a motivator to move on.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then three, people with the growth mindset in sports took charge of the processes that bring success and that maintain it.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so taking ownership over the situation, taking ownership of their development.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: We have in student ministry, we have an acronym, S T A R.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's basically how we govern, how we uh the four basic rules that we have in the youth ministry.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: And for us, the T is take ownership.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so, whatever the action is, whatever the outcome is, making sure that you are responsible for your part of whatever it happens to be, taking that ownership.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: And we see that there.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: So uh the question is now next week we'll sort of get into how if you're let's say you coach a sports team or you have children at home or whatever, how do you move those that you work with out of out of fixed into growth?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: How do you try to help those you love?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: How do you help yourself?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, today we're we're analyzing ourselves and and our lives.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a fixed or growth mindset?
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: Next week we'll take the same book.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: But here are some really helpful discussion questions.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: One, do you have a fixed mindset or growth mindset?
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Which mindset do each of your children have?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Question two.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: Was there a time in your life, there certainly was for me, when your mindset changed from fixed to growth?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: If so, when?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: And why did it change?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: And here's a third question, which uh really chapter four moved into.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Is there some part of your life where you've had a growth mindset, say athletics, but another part of your life where you've had a fixed mindset, maybe in intelligence or Christian life, or I can't get better in parenting, or I'm stuck right where I am at work, or something like that.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so so because it's possible, as she was hinting from Billy Bean or whatever his name, yeah, that that in one part of his life he was fixed, it ruined his own athletic career.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: In another part of his life, as he watched people, he realized growth mindset.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: So as general manager, he could be super successful.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: So here's some great discussion questions to get you started.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think the the last thing that I would say is as we look at these two mindsets, I think it's extremely important that we strive for that growth mindset.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Not just because it's helpful, not just because it helps with our effort and our attitude and all those types of things.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: But like we see in Romans 12, too, it says, be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so that means our mind has to change, it has to be morphed, it has to be developed into thinking along biblical lines, thinking along uh the thoughts of God.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And if we just stay in our own zone, if we just stay in our fixed mindset, we won't be able to be transformed, we won't be able to be changed to become more Christ-like in our everyday life.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: The present tense there, I appreciate you bringing that up.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the present tense of those words like renewing indicates it's to be a lifelong process, not just a one-shot process of renewal, a lifelong process, a growth mindset.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: So let's pray.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Heavenly Father, thanks for this morning.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for uh the simple idea of fixed versus growth mindset.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: You you show us in scripture that we should be constantly changing, constantly growing into more of your likeness and more of your character.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Please do that through us, uh through your spirit, and help us to be open to that growth and change mindset.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: In Jesus' name.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.