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Alternate Valentine's Movies · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 6: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you hate heart-shaped candy? I think because it
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  Speaker 4: reminds me that this is Valentine's Day and I'm recently single.
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  Speaker 4: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm George. And we're coming to you live via digital
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  Speaker 4: recording from The Oddity Studios where we're going to bring
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  Speaker 4: you a Romantic episode. Two dudes sitting around talking about
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  Speaker 4: romantic movies.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Is that weird? I don't know. I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: going to be more weird when I got you a
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  Speaker 4: big heart-shaped box of chocolates and gave it to you.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, I did bring some heart-shaped candy
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  Speaker 5: myself here.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad we were on the same lines because then
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  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, the heart-shaped box might be a
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  Speaker 4: little creepy. So I'll back off. But I was like,
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  Speaker 4: Everybody likes Reese's, right? Which we are on the same
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  Speaker 4: train because you also brought Reese's hearts.
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  Speaker 5: There we go.
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  Speaker 4: I got these, which are called Reese's... What the hell
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  Speaker 4: did they name these things? They're like love hearts or something.
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  Speaker 4: All right. So I haven't looked through them, but I
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  Speaker 4: think it's kind of the concept of the sweetheart tart things.
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  Speaker 4: They have a weird message on each one.
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  Speaker 5: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to pick one here, and we'll see what
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  Speaker 4: we get. So you can have.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see here.
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  Speaker 4: All right, what do you got?
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  Speaker 5: You're my taste. That's what mine is.
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  Speaker 4: That's not creepy. Yeah, it's... Let's see what the other
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  Speaker 4: options here are.
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  Speaker 5: This one's for cannibals.
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  Speaker 4: I'm all yours, Reese's.
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  Speaker 5: Hello.
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  Speaker 4: We're not sponsored by Reese's, but if they want to
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  Speaker 4: throw us money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Another you're my taste. I wonder how many variations we've
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  Speaker 4: got here.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just waiting for the obvious eat me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, where's the fun ones? Oh, wait,
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  Speaker 4: here's a wordy one. All you need is love and Reese's.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 4: I do like that they worked their commercial into their
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  Speaker 4: love message.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, that was a commercial, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's just a commercial. A crummy commercial. They're mostly cannibalism.
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  Speaker 4: You're on my taste. Eat me. Drink your Ovaltine. A
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  Speaker 4: crummy commercial. That's what we learned from our love messages.
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  Speaker 5: Well, see, you've got ones that have strange messages written
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  Speaker 5: on them. I have the heart-shaped Reese's. And then also, since,
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  Speaker 5: you know, haha, I know your affinity for Sour Patch Kids,
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  Speaker 5: I brought some heart-shaped Sour Patch Kids.
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  Speaker 4: The running joke that has become the Sour Patch Kids.
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  Speaker 7: On this show.
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  Speaker 5: That's right. It was very unusual. It was the gray
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  Speaker 5: Sour Patch Kids you all had to eat or something
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  Speaker 5: like that.
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  Speaker 1: One episode.
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  Speaker 5: One episode.
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  Speaker 4: Um, the zombie ones were... Oh, yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: The zombie ones.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was more like a blackberry something or other.
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  Speaker 4: Brad's berry something. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Because everybody loves a type of candy that makes you
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  Speaker 5: look like you have a mouth rot.
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  Speaker 4: Oddly enough, they were still good. No complaints from the flavor, but.
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  Speaker 5: Delicious dental nightmares.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, what we called them out on is on the box...
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  Speaker 4: It's like zombie Sour Patch Kids, but the artwork was
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  Speaker 4: a Sour Patch character that looked like Frankenstein? Hmm. Wait
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  Speaker 4: a minute. No, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That is not acceptable.
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  Speaker 4: Granted, he is sort of a zombie. I realized, not
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  Speaker 4: to go into the horror movie episode like we do
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  Speaker 4: every other week, but over the years I was like,
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  Speaker 4: most of your classic monsters are just kind of zombie.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, I would argue that Frankenstein is more of the
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  Speaker 5: golem than a zombie. Because basically he was pieced together
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  Speaker 5: from different bodies, so he's not the same body. And
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  Speaker 5: then he was reanimated. Usually a golem is pieced together
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  Speaker 5: of different materials and then animated.
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  Speaker 4: It's definitely a weird variation, but the more I thought
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  Speaker 4: about it, I was like, other than you're like monstrous,
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  Speaker 4: like your werewolf is like a nature run amok. It's
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  Speaker 4: more of like the monster within you. The creature is
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  Speaker 4: the primordial creature. The primal thing, yeah. But yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: Dracula is an undead creature that supposedly is dead, kind of,
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  Speaker 4: sort of, we don't know. Frankenstein's raised back from the dead.
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  Speaker 4: The mummy is raised back from the dead. Zombies are
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  Speaker 4: raised back. So everybody's just like brought back from the dead.
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  Speaker 5: Dracula is basically a thinly veiled religious allegory against substance abuse.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you don't need drugs, you need Jesus.
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  Speaker 4: A good way to work in sexual overtones into everything.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's also the sex thing too, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The penetration the sucking romance people romance that's what it's
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  Speaker 4: all about anyway so we were trying to figure out
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  Speaker 4: what are we doing what what's the next episode we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna put together and we it's always a toss-up we
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  Speaker 4: don't know where we're going so throwing stuff out there
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  Speaker 4: it was like We did just do Christmas. We got
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  Speaker 4: away from that. We did pretty well just throwing a
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  Speaker 4: lot of crazy stuff out there.
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  Speaker 5: Arbor Day is still a few months away. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 4: What an episode that's going to be. Just talking about
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  Speaker 4: the M. Night Shyamalan trees.
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  Speaker 5: It's the trees. Anyway.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, we're going over options. And I was like, well, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: we don't want to do a Valentine's Day episode. As
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  Speaker 4: I said, two dorky straight guys sitting together talking about romance.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody wants that.
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  Speaker 5: But one of them's married.
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  Speaker 4: You might at least have a Valentine. I've given up
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  Speaker 4: on the whole concept, so I don't know that I'm
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  Speaker 4: right for any regular Valentine's episode. Which is why I
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  Speaker 4: was like, once we threw it out there, I was like, well, technically,
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  Speaker 4: years ago, this, I won't, you know, name drop this
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  Speaker 4: dumb city, but the magazine named after this city, came
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  Speaker 4: to me, oddly enough, and was like, we're putting together
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  Speaker 4: this issue in February and we're having different people pick
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  Speaker 4: like Valentine's movies. I don't even think they were doing unconventional.
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  Speaker 4: I think I chose that route. I think other people
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  Speaker 4: picked regular stuff. And I was like, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you're talking to me. So obviously I don't have a
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  Speaker 4: regular version. So I was like, let's go with unconventional versions.
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  Speaker 4: And they were like, damn it. We already said we'd
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  Speaker 4: let him do it. So I'm sure they changed their mind,
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  Speaker 4: but it was too late. So I put together my,
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  Speaker 4: and the thing is, I didn't overly think about it.
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  Speaker 4: I like what I actually based it on. This goes
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  Speaker 4: back even further. Back in the olden days of working
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  Speaker 4: at a certain video store.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to say the 1800s.
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  Speaker 4: That is, well, pretty much. I mean, we were setting
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  Speaker 4: up VHS tapes on a shelf. So, yes, it essentially was.
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  Speaker 4: But the company that is now long dead, we used
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  Speaker 4: to have most of the stuff was very specifically laid out.
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  Speaker 4: And everything was, you know, you had to put this
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  Speaker 4: here or some studio bought this end cap here and
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  Speaker 4: you had to set this up. Sure. Every once in
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  Speaker 4: a while, there'd be like a free space. A lot
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  Speaker 4: of times behind the counter. So every once in a
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  Speaker 4: while we had a little sign and an acrylic to
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  Speaker 4: hang there that was like employee picks.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And then at one point it was Valentine's picks and
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  Speaker 4: we let the employees pick it.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: And our staff was a bunch of weirdos.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So I had like three or four of them and
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  Speaker 4: they were all like not your normal Valentine's picks. And
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  Speaker 4: that's immediately what I thought of when I came to
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  Speaker 4: put this list together. I was like, oh, well, I'll
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  Speaker 4: just take all the ones I had off the wall
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  Speaker 4: behind me when I was standing in front of the register.
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  Speaker 4: So most of these on this list were behind me
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  Speaker 4: on a shelf at one point when I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that one's mine and that one's mine. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what these weird rom-coms over here are. That's obviously some
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  Speaker 4: normal person, which is very unlikely that we employed a
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  Speaker 4: normal person.
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  Speaker 5: I know the story. I miss it still to this day.
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  Speaker 5: And there were a lot of lovely people there, but
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  Speaker 5: not a normal person.
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  Speaker 4: And thank God for it. No, we were all a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of weirdos, which is why it's one of the
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  Speaker 4: few times in my life I felt like I fit in.
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  Speaker 4: I really was at home in our group of weirdos,
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  Speaker 4: but nothing good can last. That's another takeaway from your romance.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing good can last. So as I put this list together,
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  Speaker 4: I thought we'd knock those out first and then just
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  Speaker 4: sort of elaborate because I'm sure a few of these
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  Speaker 4: are going to cross over. Actually, I brought up a
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  Speaker 4: list I was trying to find. I'm sure the internet
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  Speaker 4: is full of dorks that did. Oh, I'm too cool
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  Speaker 4: for a regular list. I'm going to do an unconventional
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  Speaker 4: list of Valentine's movies. So I brought up a list
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  Speaker 4: and already several of them were on there. So it's
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  Speaker 4: not the most original thing ever. But, again, I did
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  Speaker 4: this years ago, so I'm just piecing together the ones
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  Speaker 4: I came up with off the cuff.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go.
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  Speaker 4: In no specific order, but I'll go ahead and do
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  Speaker 4: it in the reverse order of how I think they
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  Speaker 4: were listed on there.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: First one and i was going back i was just
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  Speaker 4: i think this was the last entry on the list
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  Speaker 4: i was just i had the main ones that was
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  Speaker 4: like obviously these and i was like what else kind
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  Speaker 4: of fits for me of like a good movie that
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  Speaker 4: also is about a couple and they genuinely seem like
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  Speaker 4: and they're in love and i know Bonnie and Clyde.
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  Speaker 4: The ultimate screen couple. They're young, they're in love, they
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  Speaker 4: kill people. That was the tagline, by the way, on
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  Speaker 4: the poster.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: They're young, they're in love, and they kill people. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: is that not the most romantic movie ever?
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  Speaker 5: I'd say it's pretty close there, you know? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they do tragically, you know, pass together. Spoiler alert for
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  Speaker 5: a 50-year-old movie.
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  Speaker 4: A little, uh... Romeo and Juliet-esque. And a hail of gunfire.
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  Speaker 4: That's how they went out in Rome. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't read Shakespeare or anything else. So I'm assuming
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  Speaker 4: that's the way Romeo and Juliet ends.
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  Speaker 5: No, it was more of a poison given without instructions.
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  Speaker 4: Damn it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Good thing I saw Romeo plus Juliet. So I did.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't spoil it for me, really. As long as Claire
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  Speaker 4: Danes is there, I'm all set. So it is interesting
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  Speaker 4: with that one that they went. They were definitely doing
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  Speaker 4: a very. different take on it, especially if you look
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  Speaker 4: at pictures of Bonnie and Clyde in the real world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And you hear the story of how they really were.
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  Speaker 4: It's artistic license, definitely in the way of the attractiveness
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  Speaker 4: and the romance.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to say, Clyde did not look anything
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  Speaker 5: like Warren Beatty. Neither did she. I mean, Faye.
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  Speaker 4: Dunaway is like, especially that era of Faye Dunaway is like, Gorgeous.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: At best, they were probably more like brother and sister,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't think Clyde was into her at all,
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  Speaker 4: as the story goes. Maybe for a couple of different reasons. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: we won't go into the real story. But the movie
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  Speaker 4: is amazing, and not only works in a very romantic
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  Speaker 4: angle to it, and they're sort of playing that up,
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  Speaker 4: but it's also that turning point. It's what people always
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  Speaker 4: sort of point to, definitely me, because I've gotten into
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  Speaker 4: this looking at Hollywood over the years and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: it is almost that fork in the road of when
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  Speaker 4: cinema started to change.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's Bonnie and Clyde and Easy Rider. And like, you
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  Speaker 4: just start going down this road of like movies that
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  Speaker 4: are not taking the typical Hollywood road, much like the
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  Speaker 4: end of this movie, but then also getting way more
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  Speaker 4: independent and not, you know, having to listen to what
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  Speaker 4: the studio says because the studio is didn't know what
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  Speaker 4: to do anymore like their blockbuster ideas weren't working so
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  Speaker 4: they were like okay we'll give it to these upstarts
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  Speaker 4: now that are making movies and let them see what
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  Speaker 4: they can do and they start doing these very unconventional
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  Speaker 4: stories like bonnie and clyde so yeah i think it's
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  Speaker 4: it's always an interesting movie to watch from that angle
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  Speaker 4: but if you want to watch it as a valentine's
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  Speaker 4: movie hey go for it i.
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  Speaker 5: Mean they they are a pair nonetheless but Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 5: kind of neat because the way the film was done,
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  Speaker 5: you basically make them into Robin Hood-ish sort of characters,
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  Speaker 5: folk heroes. So by the time they're gunned down at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the movie, it's shocking, it's gory, it's
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  Speaker 5: bloody than anything we've seen before in that era of cinema.
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  Speaker 5: And you feel bad for the couple. It's like, oh
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  Speaker 5: my god, I don't want them to get killed, but
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  Speaker 5: they were criminals!
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, again, it's all that spin. You know, if you're
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  Speaker 4: watching it from the other side, if it's a movie
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  Speaker 4: that was made in the 50s or even early 60s,
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  Speaker 4: you might be, oh, we're going to look at the
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  Speaker 4: whole story from this G-man's point of view and, like,
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  Speaker 4: he's trying to track down these horrible criminals and, like, so, again,
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  Speaker 4: it's all in that spin. I think that's the difference.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, if you go back further, that is, there
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  Speaker 4: were plenty of movies in that era that really were
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  Speaker 4: from the, this is, you know, the tough city and
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  Speaker 4: I'm the cop trying to clean things up and, like, Instead,
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  Speaker 4: we go to the other side in the 70s, which, granted,
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  Speaker 4: this is 67, but it's the kickoff of what became
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  Speaker 4: all those 70s era movies and that way of looking
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  Speaker 4: at things of like, okay, we're going to flip it
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  Speaker 4: to the other side now and we're going to do
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  Speaker 4: things a little more unconventional and a little more, you know, anti-counterculture,
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  Speaker 4: if you will.
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  Speaker 5: Lots of downer endings.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of that. You didn't, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: old Hollywood had that, but still, I think it became
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  Speaker 4: less and less as they went on in the big,
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: Hollywood dip pole movies were more of like happy romances.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, 70s did not play that game.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it was a running joke of the 70s,
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  Speaker 5: especially if you get like the science fiction and horror genre.
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  Speaker 5: So like, yeah, there was lots of downer endings and
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  Speaker 5: everything's going to die. And, you know, everything's screwed. You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: there was a lot of that.
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  Speaker 4: And this is maybe the perfect example of that with
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  Speaker 4: a nice romance work. Sure. There's our kickoff for Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see. So next up, again, I started, this one
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  Speaker 4: was definitely on the wall behind me. Natural Born Killers.
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking about Natural Born Killers when you started
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  Speaker 5: talking about Ian Clyde, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That, I mean, it is that exact same thing, but
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  Speaker 4: they took it even more, like, again, it's Oliver Stone,
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  Speaker 4: so it's like he was not, he's not subtle in general,
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: but he definitely wasn't subtle at this point in his career. Right.
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  Speaker 4: He was going way above and beyond to sort of
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  Speaker 4: lampoon the whole idea so like he really made it
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  Speaker 4: to the point we have a sitcom scene in the
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  Speaker 4: alternate universe shot of them potentially at the end like
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  Speaker 4: raising a family of kids driving around in an rv
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  Speaker 4: like we've got this weird bastardized version of a love
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  Speaker 4: story that you know as much as They are sociopaths.
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  Speaker 4: They still genuinely are in love so much that they
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  Speaker 4: will kill other people who are looking at their person
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  Speaker 4: that they care about. And they're very protective of each other.
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  Speaker 4: It's a gore fest, but it's surprising how much of
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  Speaker 4: it is still structured as a love story, more or less.
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  Speaker 4: So it's one I haven't watched in a while. I
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  Speaker 4: do want to revisit it for so many angles, like
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  Speaker 4: just for the weird Oliver Stone direction. Both of those
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: performances are amazing. All the other smaller characters, which are like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, Robert Downey Jr. is in that movie. You
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: forget all the other characters that are in there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's kind of like the Geraldo Rivera kind of character.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's doing something pretty... Well, again, it was before
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  Speaker 4: he redefined his career, so he was still kind of
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  Speaker 4: doing these weird one-off characters.
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  Speaker 5: I think he was doing a really bad Australian accent.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like purposely... Yeah, again, Oliver Stone dialing everything up, so... It's, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: going out of its way to be ridiculous. And that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of what they were going for.
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  Speaker 5: 90s Oliver Stone is very divisive for me. Because, I mean, Grant,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: you've got, like, JFK. That's a great film. You know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Natural Born Killers is a very good film. But then, like,
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: you've got, like, U-Turn.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: I saw U-Turn in the theater. And I like it
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: more than most people, and there's a certain quote in
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: it that I work in way more often than probably
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: most people would quote U-Turn. So I'm a little, again,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: it's one I have not watched in forever, but I'm
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: a little more attached to U-Turn than most people, I
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: feel like.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was just like some weird choices that were
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: made in that movie, or just like you know, unnecessary shots. Like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: let's get a close-up shot of Nick Nolte's nose hair
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: or whatnot. It's like, why?
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Speaking of romance, I mean.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just a weird, and then,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: of course, Nixon, I think, was later on in the 90s.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: That was odd, which it should not have been, but was.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: I at least give him credit for, especially when he
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: gets into his weird political type movies, because he at
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: least does things sort of even-handed. Even for somebody like Nixon, like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: you get the feeling he probably doesn't look favorably on
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: his politics and decisions, but he does try to approach
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: the character like evenly, you know, like to figure out what,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: what was going on with this guy and why he
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: might have made these weird decisions. And like, so I
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: think you get more of a balanced point of view
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: from oddly from Oliver Stone, whereas you get something like
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Adam McKay's movies, which are not at all. No. That's
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: it's just so weird that like you can't even balance
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: out your characters. It just seems like flawed writing from
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: that angle where Oliver Stone, even at that at that
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: point in his career, was like just pretty solid on
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: his like writing and like how he approached characters that
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: he didn't even agree with. He seemed like he took
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: them seriously and wanted to explore them as a character.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't know for somebody as political as
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: he is. I feel like he's not as heavy handed
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: as he could be. Right. Which is weird if you're
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: watching Natural Born Killers, which is hitting you over the
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: head with gore, but, you know, still.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and all sorts of weird things. But then again, too,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: it's got, you know, a decent soundtrack. I'll definitely give
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: it a hand.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I love that soundtrack.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, that was kind of, for me, the
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: beginning of, like, Hang on, he's doing some weird stuff here.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: What is he doing? Yeah, because you come out of, like, Platoon,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and you're like, this guy is like a master. Like,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: he knows what he's doing. This is a great, you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: story that he's telling. It's not your conventional Vietnam story. So, like, yeah,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: you see the next couple of years, and by the
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: time you get to Natural Born Killers, you're like, alright.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: he's just lost it the weird thing was he's super
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: talented and yet i'm questioning his sanity at this point
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: early in.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: His career his writing was very strange and psychedelic so
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: i think it was just a matter of like he's
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: had a comfort level after a lot of hits and
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: oscars thrown at him And now his name was Household,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: as directors go, which you don't really have that much anymore.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: So it's like, okay, now I can kind of go
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: back to my roots and I'm going to be weird.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: And let's be super weird. That's what it was.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they sort of polished things up as
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: he got to the more Oscar-friendly stuff there and that
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: little peak. And then once he knew he had license
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: to do what he wanted and he made enough money
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: that people weren't going to tell him no, he's like, okay.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Now I can make that stuff I wanted to make
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: and nobody would give me money to do.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Natural Born Killers.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Well, I think this is the same dude who wrote
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a script for Queen of the Barbarian that was deemed
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: too weird. And so it was rewritten and he didn't
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: get credit for it. And he also was credited for
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: writing the movie The Hand, starring Michael Caine, which is
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: about him getting his hand chopped off and the hand
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: coming back and killing people.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Follows him around.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: No matter if he goes across the country.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: This is the same dude. So it's like, there's some
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: weird stuff in him. There's always been there.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He's definitely a weird guy. Talented and weird. Yes.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: All right. Next up. This one I knew you were
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: going to get to. That's why I thought we better
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: knock it off right off the bat. My Bloody Valentine. Now,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: this is the original 1981 classic. You can argue that
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: if you want. But I remember... Watching this on cable
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: as a kid, which explains a lot about me. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I loved it. I was just like, did they just
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: put an actual human heart in a heart-shaped candy box?
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Because I'm a kid, but I think that's really awesome.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: And this leads to me being into Natural Born Killers,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I suppose. Like, it all comes full circle. But yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's the defining moment. It's like when
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: you get an actual human heart sent to you on
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Valentine's Day. Gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling, doesn't it?
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: It sure does, yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Well, of course, you know. This is coal country that
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: we're in here. So, you know, the Kentucky, the West
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Virginia areas, whatnot. We should have an affinity for this movie. Because,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: you know, we got a psycho coal miner. And you
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: don't really get a lot of psycho coal miners in
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: the horror genre.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it is a good outfit. Because it
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: totally conceals you as a killer. So, like, once you
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: get in the coal gear. Plus, if you've got a pickaxe,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: that is a really good murder weapon. Very much so.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: And think about it. Most times when you see... Coal
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: miners in the media, they are victims of being trapped
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: in a mine. So this is the first time that
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: the coal miner is no longer the victim. They're tired
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: of being victims now for these dang rocks and earth
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: and such. We're just going to strike back on these.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Damn teenagers having intercourse.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: I remember. Well, that's because we threw this out as one.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: We were trying to figure out what to talk about.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I know we talked about this
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: in the past. I went back and looked. I think
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: we did when the remake came out. I think we
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: talked about that. But we spent about half the time
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: talking about the 81 version because that was so awesome.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: It's better.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I didn't hate the remake. It's fun.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: It's almost kind of unnecessary.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: It was one of the few times I remember the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: 3D element being really impressive. That was right in the
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: push of let's bring people back to the theater with 3D.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: And like that one they really like it was definitely
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: made to be in 3D. And you could tell they
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: actually put effort into what effect shots they were going
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, I respect that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: So I remember the 3D element being really cool and effective,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: and that almost kind of helped bump it up from
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: being just another knockoff, you know, another remake at a
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: time when they were remaking everything. So, yeah, that one
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: put it a little bit above most of the others,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: but still, I'm partial to the 81. Yeah. All right,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: let's see. So this one definitely... was on that same
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: wall behind me. This was maybe the second one. The
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: one coming might have been up there first. But, yeah, obviously,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: True Romance. So, once again, another Tarantino-tied one. Both of
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: those were written by Tarantino.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Natural Born Killers and True Romance. Neither directed, but True Romance,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: more than anything, almost feels, in its writing, definitely feels
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: like a Tarantino movie.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Direction-wise, when you watch it, no, you can see Tony Scott. But, yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: as a written-on-the-page project, it is through and through a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Tarantino movie.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Very much so.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, again, it's one of those that, like, it
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: really focuses on the romance part of it. Like, so
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: much so that, like, it's manufactured... Spoilers. Go watch it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: But like, it's not even like a real meet cute.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: It's a fake meet cute. And yet it's still like
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: brings about the necessary romance enough that they are willing
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: to do a lot of ridiculous things to stay together
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: and build themselves a life. And I think my quote
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: on it was, it's the movie that proves you don't
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: have to be lucky or even very smart to fall
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: in love. You just have to be cool. Just cool.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Because if you watch it again, you're like, man, they
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: make some dumb decisions. But, again, there's some dumb kids
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: falling in love. So it's bound to happen. Just sometimes
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: people get murdered along the way, you know.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Or they just see Elvis as a, you know, figure
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: of their own imagination.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Wait, don't we all see that? I thought that was
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: a normal thing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Uh, no.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Well, he was helping me put this list together, so
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Okay, well, I mean, you know, it's...
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I can't afford to get Val Kilmer, though, so... I've got, like,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: young Kurt Russell. Okay, well, that's cool, yeah. Actually, I
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: think I'd prefer that, especially more so than now Val Kilmer.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Maybe 90s Val Kilmer, but the stories I hear, he
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: was kind of a jerk then. Now he's just old
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: and crazy, so I don't know.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: That documentary on him, I think it's on Amazon. I
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: keep hearing pretty good things. I do want to watch it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: It's very good. It's very sad.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: It's very touching, too, because basically since his throat cancer
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: issues and he's had surgery, so he's still healing from it,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: but his voice is not quite there yet. Basically, it
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: sounds like the ads for non-smoking and people already have
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: throat cancer. That's kind of what he sounds like.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: So his son... narrates the majority of the movie.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: And it's really weird because his son looks like a, like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: 80s Val Kilmer. He hasn't, like, fully grown into his
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: manhood yet. But, like, he's about, like.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Top secret version?
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's, like, pre-top secret version. Like, he's, like, in
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: about two or three years, he's gonna sprout up and it's, like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: holy crap.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: It's the second coming of Val Kilmer. I do have
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: a whole new respect, you know, especially, like, for me, like,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: the Val Kilmer... role that kind of touched me a
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: little bit more or at least not necessarily touched me
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: in a good way but is his batman role because
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: i'm a big comic book fan so it's like you
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: take on batman.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: You better do a good job it's i mean the
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: deck stacked against you at this point people are just
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: going to complain whoever they hand it to so yeah
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: and that was the beginning of that that's the first
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: time we had well no they bitched about michael keaton
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: too but as soon as they went oh no michael
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: keaton's good they were like oh no we're gonna give
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: it to somebody else and then From that point on,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: people just get mad about whatever choice they made.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: My biggest complaint for a lot of those movies was
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the suit. Because apparently the suit was such a problem
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: that it inhibited the actors. Michael Keaton complained about it.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Val Kilmer complains about it. George Clooney was the only
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: one that didn't complain about it with the exception of
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: the nipples. Well, that was the problem with the old ones.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Not enough nipple.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: But apparently mobility was also an issue.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I'm like, come on. The more I watch it, I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: just like... From a vigilante standpoint, it seems like you'd
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: want to have better visibility and movement. Batman, I'm just saying.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Well, most of the time, you know, if he does anything,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: like the Christopher Nolan movies kind of handle it a
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: little bit better, where it's like he's basically taking, like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: military tactical stuff, you know, putting that on, and then
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: souping it up just a little bit to make it
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: look a little more, you know.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Spray painting it all black, really.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: A little spray paint and putting bad ears on shit,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: you know. But, basically, that's kind of a little more
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: so that explains why he was able to move a
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: little bit better and had more, you know, protection, all
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: that kind of good stuff.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, apparently, like, Val Kilmer was, like, a
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: big Batman fan, and that was, like, a dream role
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: for him, and, like, the second he got in there
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: was a nightmare. Oh, yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I think, what little I've heard, at least now,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I think he's almost coming to terms with the way
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: that he behaved because i think he's fully admitted to
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: what a nightmare he was to work with back in
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the day like especially in that middle era there because
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: i did watch the documentary on the island of dr
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: moreau and like everybody's a nightmare so much so the
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: director's like i'm i'm i'm gonna go off in the
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: fields and live and i so yeah or richard stanley
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: i what a mess I mean that it's almost way
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: more entertaining as the real world story and I love
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: the story of the island of Dr. Moreau but like
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: you can't get more interesting than what was really going
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: on behind the scenes in that movie and I think
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: everybody's kind of copped like mostly Val Kilmer because Brando's
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: gone now but yeah we know he was insane by
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: that point so even Val Kilmer was just like yeah
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I was also going out of my way to be
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: a cast like And the two of them butting heads
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: and then driving the director crazy.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: It's so interesting to get all these different angles, especially
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: on Island of Dr. Moreau, because Richard Stanley's got a
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: documentary out that really chronicles that whole period of his
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: life and kind of like why he just fell to
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: the face of the earth after that film and didn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: come back to ground until, what, The Color Out of
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Space with Nicolas Cage, which.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Was, what, two years ago? It was a long run, yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a long run of not being able
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: to do anything. But then, of course, Val Kilmer talks
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: a lot about Alan and Dr. Moreau in the documentary
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: and kind of his take on things. And it really
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: just seemed like everything was working against everybody because Brando
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: was being difficult. Val was like he was excited about
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: getting to work with Brando and then Brando was like
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: how he was then. What he always did at that point.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: It was a great disappointment to him. And then there
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: was a lot of studio interference, apparently. And so that
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: weighed down on him. And then For all the people
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: to get, you know, basically blamed for everything in Blacklisted,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: you point at the director. It's like, no, this is
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: the guy that's fighting for you.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I'm still trying to keep these crazy people together in
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: a scene.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: It's like, it would have been easier to just blame
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: everything on Brando because, okay, he's old. We already know
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: he's crazy. Nobody questioned his weird behavior. He's been weird
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: since day one. So it's like, just put everything on him.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: He's going to die soon anyway. And he did. Like
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: less than 10 years later, he was gone.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: That movie not quite a romance but true romance on
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: the other hand that's that's a good one to add
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: to your list indeed whether or not you think it's
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: actually romantic is up to you but it's in the
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: title at least we got that going for us so.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: And definitely the better i would say one of the
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: better of the uh tarantino non-directed.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Films yeah of his screenplays that's maybe the closest that
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: feels like a tarantino movie there's there's other ones where
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: you hear his lines in a regular movie But yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: that's definitely the one that almost feels like a Tarantino movie.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: The direction definitely is different, but it feels like it
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: because the writing is so... It doesn't seem like it
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: strays from his writing. It seems like it's through and
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: through a Tarantino screenplay.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so Natural Born Killers, they really strayed a lot
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: from it. I think they held on the base story
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: of things, but Oliver went... Did whatever the hell he wanted. Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: he took some... way different directions.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: And there's those other weird rewrites that you're like in
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the middle of Crimson Tide going, that line, that's a Tarantino.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: The whole silver surfer. I was like that right there.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I was like, yep, this seems completely out of character
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: in the rest of this movie. I'm pretty sure this
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: is one of those punched up Tarantino lines.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: God bless him.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: So the, the rounding out my, uh, five that I
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: randomly came up with years ago. Um, Again, it's one
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I go with. It's in the tagline. Love never dies.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: This would be the 1992 Bram Stoker's Dracula, which gets
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of flack, but I think is visually amazing. Performances,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: people just want to talk smack about Keanu, but Gary
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Oldman is amazing in that movie.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: It is so impressive on so many levels that I'm like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: even if you find... parts that you think are off
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: or clunky or whatever, the makeup effects, you know? It's
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: like the direction in so many scenes, the cinematography, like,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: there's just so many great elements to that movie that, yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I always liked that one, and it is, again,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: sort of understated because it's trying to be a horror movie.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: It's argued that it's not super successful as a horror movie,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: but it's definitely trying to be A horror movie that's
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: different because it makes Gary Oldman our hero, essentially. You're
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: sort of rooting for him versus... You cast somebody like
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Anthony Hopkins to come in. You think he's going to
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: be the lead in a different spin. But it's definitely...
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: You're siding with Gary Oldman. You feel... sympathetic towards him,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: And it's mostly that romance that does it. Like, he legitimately... Like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: you see this weird reason why he becomes a vampire,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: and then so much of it after that is him
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: just pining away for his lost love. So for 400 years,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: he's trying to track down the only person he ever
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: cared about. It's, like, one of the most romantic concepts
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: to base your movie around. So, again, not a traditional version, but...
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I find that aspect of it makes it very different
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: from most vampire movies. Oh, absolutely.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, Yeah, initially when the movie came out, there
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: was a little bit of flack, especially for Keanu Reeves
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: and whatnot, because it was at a time when the
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: world was not quite as in love with Keanu Reeves
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: as they are now, strangely enough.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, they liked him, but they didn't want him
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: to do anything else, which it's kind of come back around.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Now we just want to see him kick people's ass.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. It's like, we only thought of him
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: as Bill and Ted.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Before, we only wanted Bill and Ted from him, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: now we only want him to beat people's ass.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the Matrix kind of turned everything around
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: for him, and then the John Wick movies, which are
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: just brilliant, so... Yeah, but it was definitely not the
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: first role. Of course, it was kind of fell into
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: the Kevin Costner school of accent acting where it's like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: we're going to lose our accent halfway through the movie.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: It's going to come in and out. Winona Ryder was
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: a good cast because she was very hot, very into
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: the time. That was part of, at the time, what
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: suckered me in. I was so into Winona Ryder at
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: that point that I'm like, Not only is it Winona
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Ryder in a movie, which I would have seen anyway.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But it's also a Dracula movie and I love horror.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: It's Gary Oldman doing this amazing performance. It's Coppola doing
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: maybe the last real top tier Coppola movie.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Because after that, I think I've said it before. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: think this is the movie that broke him. Like, I
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: feel like this was so much trying to make this work.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: That. Because he was going to do that Frankenstein movie
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: after this. And, like, this took so much out of him,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: he handed it off to Branagh. And then after that, like,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: it was years later, he started making movies again. But
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: from that point on, no movie is what you would
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: expect from Pilgrim.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, his next movie after this was Jack. Jack.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: And he's done other things. And they've gotten almost weirder
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: as time's gone on. Like, he just... never got back
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: to that top tier Hollywood director level ever again. So
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: this is an interesting thing to watch from that perspective too.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And Jack's one of those movies that if you
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: have never seen it, the best word I can give
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: you to is uncomfortable.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it's one of those, you're like, you'll
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: hear the premise and you're like, they didn't really make
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: a movie out of that, did they? And then you'll
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: be like, wait, they didn't really cast like, one of
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the biggest actors in Hollywood in this, did they? They
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: didn't really get Francis Ford Coppola directed, did they? Like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: everything makes no sense. And I'm like, you know, if
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Jennifer Lopez wasn't here, I wouldn't even be watching this.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just... It's an odd, odd movie. On so
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: many levels, it's like, okay, Rob... The thing I laughed
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: the hardest about the movie Tropic Thunder was they're making
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: fun of Ben Stiller's Simple Jack character. And I immediately
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: thought of the Robin Williams performance. Like, oh my god,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: it's Simple Jack! You never go full R-word, folks.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Robin got put in a lot of weird things in
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: his career, but that one's pretty high up there. That
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: one's an odd choice, even for Robin Williams, who made
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: some weird choices in his life.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I would definitely argue... much in favor that
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: probably Dracula broke Coppola.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: No, yeah. I mean, he made even functional normal movies.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Rainmaker was him. That's a solid Grisham type of movie.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: It really is.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: But you watch it and you don't think Coppola. It
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: doesn't scream Coppola. It's just a solid legal drama.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's a very well done movie, good performances,
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: but nothing.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Like outstanding like thing that's what he did for earlier
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: in his career right it's it's the most that's maybe
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: the most functional he was after that and then you
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: get to those ones later in his career and he
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: I've said it before it seems like he went in
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: reverse like he started off making like these top tier
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Hollywood movies like a polished you know Hollywood director that
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: had been there for decades and And then he ended
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: doing weird arthouse stuff like he was a kid straight
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: out of college that just wanted to slap stuff together
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: and see if anybody would show up and watch it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: That's those later movies. Like, I've watched some of them.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, dude, I don't know what you're doing. Like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: more power to you for being an old guy that
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: still wants to make movies. Good for you. I'm glad
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: you can use your wine money to do it, but
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: they don't make any sense. I think somewhere.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: You know, in the last 15 years, he went back
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: and watched Dementia 13 and found something interesting in there
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: and said, you know what? I could do this again.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: I think it's interesting. I prefer that one to these
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: more reasons. I like Dementia 13.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: But Dementia 13 is one of those, like, what is
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: going on in this movie?
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: We're going to throw a lot of weird things at
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: the wall and see what sticks.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: But it was pretty creative. For, again, that is the
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: real version of him, like, kid out of college at best.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: That one's still pretty fun. But yeah, these end of
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: his career ones, I don't know what to do with them. Again,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: more power to you. Keep making them if you can.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, John Carpenter was decent enough to never make
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: another Dark Star kind of movie again. I mean, he
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: made Ghosts of Mars, but that's nowhere near.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Once they get older, sometimes they keep
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: working and putting out solid stuff. And the other ones
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: just stop doing anything. And then other ones just go crazy.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: So you never really know. where they're gonna end some
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: just make coffee yeah i'll take that but yeah love
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: never dies i think that's what put it on the
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: wall behind me years ago and people would question and
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: i'm like look it's right there It says it right
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: on the front of the box.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: It's a very romantic movie.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: More than most Draculas. I mean, you get some of
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the other ones that they get, you know, very suave
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: with their Dracula, but.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: We're looking at you, Frank Langella.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Talking to you, George Hamilton. That was another one at
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: that time when I was a kid. I watched that
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: on cable so many times. That was kind of my
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: go-to Dracula for quite a while there. Yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: I watched a lot of the Hammer horror stuff, so basically,
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: you know, the pairing of Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: that's a Dracula movie to me.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Well, and those just became such a blur. Like, I,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: we've even gone back and watched one or two different
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: things over the years that are Hammer, but, like, they
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: all just become Hammer, and, like, I forget the specifics,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: so it's like. You need to go through and watch
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: each one individually and try to pin down, okay, this
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: is the one that has Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: in it. Oh, no way. That doesn't help me at all.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: That makes it more confusing.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Of the Lee and Cushing Dracula movies, the only one
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: that's the most discerning of all of them is Dracula
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: 1972 AD because it takes place in 1972 AD.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: That changes it up a little bit.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like, there's a rock band in the movie,
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: and the kids are a little more modernly dressed, and,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: you know, people are driving cars and shit. But other
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: than that, it's still pretty, like, we have a Victorian-esque,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: you know, Van Helsing who's, you know, chasing after Dracula, who's, like,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: you know, getting used to the 70s era London.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: It's no love at first bite, but nothing really can be.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Or even the vampire's kiss, for that matter.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm a vampire. I'm a vampire. All right. So
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: that at least knocks out that list that I came
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: up with. So what sort of non-traditional or as traditional
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: as you want to go? I also was trying to
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: bring up a list and see what the internet considered
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: regular romantic Valentine's movies to kind of counterbalance what we
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: were coming up with. So what ones do you have?
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I went with, I always champion obscure
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: films or like, you know, the ones that are quality films,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: but maybe not as well known as the big hits.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you got all your Sandra Bullocks
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: and your Julia Roberts, you know, stuff, you know, there,
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: you know, your Pretty Woman's, your Best Friend's Wedding.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: I'm on board with some of those. Again, as we're
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: about to go into, all of mine were early. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: it was like earlier versions of them in their career.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: And I like latched on to a couple of those
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: that I was like, these are actually genuinely good movies
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: that also happen to be sort of romantic comedies. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: I'm like, as time went on, I quit caring about
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: most romantic comedies. So that's sort of where mine come from.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: And it's, you seem to say. Like most of yours
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: came from that same era.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, definitely the 90s was my more single days,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: high school, college era, stuff like that. So pining for relationships,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: that sort of thing like that. So my choices definitely are,
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: like I said, good films, but lesser known ones. To
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: start here, one of my probably favorites for a lot
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: of reasons because there's a lot of fun to it,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: but 1998's Overnight Delivery.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Basically, he's starring Paul Rudd and Reese Witherspoon.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I remember. Again, I'm almost remembering the box art more
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: than I don't know that I saw it. A very
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: good film.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Of course, you've got a very charming couple.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: That's a huge part of this type of movie.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: It kind of feels like a bit of a screwball comedy.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: The whole plot is basically Paul Rudd has a girlfriend
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: and he accidentally writes a poison pen letter and sends
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: it via FedEx, hence the overnight delivery. Well, then he
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: realizes the errors of his way, and he is now
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: on a cross-country chase to beat the package before it
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: gets to his girlfriend. And then Reese Witherspoon, who is basically,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: he's at his college, she's another student there, and kind
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: of as an acquaintance, but they're kind of a bit acrimonious,
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: and so, I think like she's dating a professor or
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: something like that at the college, and so they end
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: up doing the road trip together. And then of course
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: it's kind of a screwball comedy where they end up
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: falling in love together and all that sort of thing.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Seems similar to, and one I hadn't thought of, but
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: is one of the early, again, it was more comedy
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: to me as a kid, but as time goes on,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it's actually kind of a nice little romance. Um,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: the sure thing.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Is sort of that same idea of like, we end
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: up on a road trip together. We kind of don't
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: like each other at all. And then before you're done,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: you're going to be in love. So, That's one that
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I hadn't thought about in a while, but I really
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: kind of liked it. It's one of those that both
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: of those actors I got attached to after that. It
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: is one of those early ones from Cusack that like,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: it sort of defined who he would play for the
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: next 10 or 15 years of like, this is the
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: kind of guy he's going to be for the run
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: of his most popular movies. And anything with Daphne Zuniga
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: is fun. She's always entertaining.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. But yeah, Paul was definitely like high charm levels
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: in this one. He's, This is a few years removed
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: from Clueless, but was nowhere near as popular as Clueless,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: so it just basically kind of got lost in the shuffle.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Which was odd, basically, to have the pair of he
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: and Reese Witherspoon, but this was before Reese was Reese.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say. Is it before
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Legally Blonde?
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. It's a few years before. Well, then that
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: would be why.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I was like, if it was after that, like, she
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: was big enough, anything after that kind of got huge
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: just because it had her attached. Where Paul Rudd just
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: kind of went through that dip in the middle there
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: where it's like he ended up in everything. And everybody
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: kind of forgot about him, you know, that he had
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: done as much stuff as he worked consistently forever there.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: But it wasn't sort of until like getting, you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: plucked to be in the Marvel world that all of
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: a sudden they were like, oh, no, this is leading man. Remember?
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: All these movies he's in back here that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: You forgot about.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Do you remember he was on Friends? No, nobody remembers
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: that either.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: His Phoebe's husband, yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: It's like he did so much stuff in the middle
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: there that like people just kind of glossed over. But
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: it took a while before he became the sexiest man alive.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: And I think too that this movie may have suffered
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: from the getting put on the shelf for a couple
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: of years.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: Because Reese Witherspoon is really young in this movie too.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: So this may have been on the shelf for a
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: couple of years as well.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: That's when I was really into her in Freeway.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, this was right. I love Freeway.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I would go to that as
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: a romance for this time of year, maybe. But watch
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: it because it's amazing.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: But this is definitely like the same age range as Freeway.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: And what was the stalker movie she was in with
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: Mark Wahlberg? It was in the 90s.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Fear.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Fear.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I was like, it's in there. Hold on.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: It was around that same time. She looks around around
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: that same age around those movies. So it was probably
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: like early 90s. Yeah. But yeah, I'd say just a
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: fun movie. Kevin Smith did some punch-ups on the script.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: At that point, it might be okay. Yeah, uncredited, but
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: he did some punch-ups on it. And frankly, an excellent
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: cover of the 70s Magnet and Steel by Walter Egan,
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: as done by Matthew Sweet.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: That seems perfect for that time period, actually.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it had some good music in there, too. It's funny,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: as big of a movie fan as I am, I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: a much bigger music fan, so when a song in
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: a movie hits... the memory cells go way more in-depth
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: and active, and so that'll stick with me a lot
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: longer than a movie I really like that maybe just
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: has some score music in there, but if you put
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: a song in there where I discover a song in
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: a movie, then all of a sudden, like, bam, it's
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: way more attached to it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: This is... Good to know, because I've been wanting to
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: put together more soundtrack episodes, so now I know who
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: to sucker to sit on the other side of that deal. Plus,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: we'll get to one by the time we round this out,
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I've got one with an interesting soundtrack as well, so
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: we'll come back to the soundtrack thing, but I legitimately
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: have been wanting to do more soundtrack episodes. It's been
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: a long time since we've done one. Mostly because you
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: have to find somebody else that wants to talk about
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: but isn't so caught up in like, this is all
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: that I like. Everybody like, even people that are hardcore
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: music fans are usually so locked into their little thing
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: that like anything else is like, oh, that song sucks. Like,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, but we kind of listen to a
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: lot of different stuff. So you seem to have a
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: pretty wide range that you can work with. So I
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: think we're going to have to return with some music episodes.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: That sounds like a plan to me. Another movie that
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: kind of falls again in definitely the 90s era, This
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: is not a traditional romantic comedy. It's more of a
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: teen comedy, but it definitely has a romantic angle. It
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: is Can't Hardly Wait. Yeah. Now, granted, this one is
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: not necessarily obscure. This pops up on cable all the time.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: But it was not a big box office success.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Most impressive because you can sit there the whole time going, hey,
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: look who it is. Hey, look who it is.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: And really, most of them weren't big names at the time.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: It was like.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Jennifer Love Hewitt was maybe one of the biggest.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Jennifer Love Hewitt was recognizable coming off of her TV
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: show and... The fact that they got, what's her name,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Sabrina in it. Oh, yeah. That was sort of like
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: their big cameo. It was like, hey, look, look who
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: we got in it. We can get Jenna Elfman. It
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: was like weird pulls and mostly from TV. So it's
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: like those were the bigger names. And then all the
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: leads that nobody knew who they were, 10 years later,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: were like in everything. So, yeah, it's a fun movie
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: to watch.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Look everybody at that point in time is in this
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: movie yeah and of course at the time too this
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: was kind of really feeding into my Jennifer Love Hewitt fascination.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah because actually this can transition into another romantic
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: comedy that takes place a few years prior to Can't
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Hardly Wait which is the lesser known Trojan War.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Again, I know the title. I don't even really know
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: the premise of that.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: The premise is, this is strange because the cast has
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: a tiny bit of a Boy Meets World reunion. Because
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: Will Friedle is the lead in the role. And then
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Jason Marsden, who's also in Boy Meets World, is like
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: his best buddy in the movie. So it's kind of,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: you've got this funny little Boy Meets World thing.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: You've cut out the worst part of Boy Meets World.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: So this is a good move, actually.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: But the whole premise of this is basically Will Friedle's
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: character has a girl he's sweet on, which is Marlee Shelton.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: My favorite role of hers is Galbie Grindhouse, the planet terror.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: She has all the little needles and stuff like that.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: But she's awesome in a bunch of movies. She's been
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: in some interesting roles. But she is just a pretty
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: cheerleader in this movie. He gets a moment where he
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: gets to have, you know, like, You know, gets some
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: alone time with her. He's going to have a date
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: or whatnot. And he realizes he is sans prophylactic. Hence
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: the name Trojan War. So then the whole movie.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: This is a whole different thing now.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: So, like, he basically hangs out with the girl. And,
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: you know, is, like, going to do the thing. And realizes, oh,
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: my God, I don't have a condom. She doesn't have
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: any condoms. So he goes out to run to get condoms.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: And then basically that's kind of where the movie really
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: gets crazy. And you get this whole kind of like
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: crazy night events, lots of side adventures, lots of side adventures, um.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: After hours, kind of a crazy adventure after another.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: And of course, being a Robert Rodriguez fan, I get
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: a kick out of, uh, uh, Danny Trejo and Tito Levera,
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: both being in the film and like a Mexican gang that,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: It starts off looking sinister, and they end up being
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: very nice and helpful.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Of course, because it's Danny Trey.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because Danny, yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: And he gives him, like, a donut, and he's just like,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: let's be friends.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's all.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: But.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: The funny thing is that Jennifer Love Hewitt plays Will
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: Friedle's friend.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Who she pines for him, he's all into the cheerleader,
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: and then suddenly he realizes, oh wait a minute, I
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: don't like the cheerleader, I really like my friend, who's
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Jennifer Love Hewitt.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Does that happen in the real world? It happens in
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: movies and TV shows all the time, of like, I'm
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: best friends with this person who's super hot, and is
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: totally into me, but for some reason I'm going to
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: completely ignore them. I know. I don't know how often
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: I've seen that in the real world.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: And the movie was released in 97, again.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: Sat on the shelf for a couple of years. So
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: at the time this was made, she was still doing
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: Party of Five.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: So, you know, as opposed to Can't Hardly Wait, where
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: she was already in her 20s trying to look like
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: a teenager, she really was a teenager in this movie.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: But yeah, again, had some good music in the soundtrack.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: Everclear was still a fairly young band. No one knew them.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: And they did a really decent cover of Tom Petty's
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: American Girl. Nice. So there's lots of good songs, but
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: that's the one that stuck with me. The movie ends
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: with the Peter Murphy classic, I Will Fall on Your Knife,
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: which is a great song. And strangely, though it sounds
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: kind of stalkery, it's a very romantic song.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: What you would take from that title. Romance.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah. But yeah, nonetheless. So that's my twofer of Jennifer
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: Love Hewitt fascination of her romantic comedies. And then an
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: interesting kind of similar plot because of, crazy stuff that
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: happens is the, uh, 91 Ethan Hawke classic mystery dates.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: I think I saw that one in the theater. Now
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: that I think about it, I'm like, is that Heather Graham?
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: No, that's Terry Polo.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Which one of that?
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Heather Graham was, um, uh, the, uh, license drive. No,
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: I thought she was in one.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: With Ethan Hawke though. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm mixing all
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: these movies together. I don't think so.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: At the time, Terry Polo looked exactly like Heather Graham
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: at the time. Because they both had the same kind
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: of long, curly blonde hair and very statuesque, lovely blonde women.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Give us more on Mystery Date.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: But again, it's another kind of like... Ethan Hawke is
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: the younger brother, is interested in this girl, but he
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: doesn't have the.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: You know, the chutzpah to ask her out. So older
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: brother does it for him and sets up basically a
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: blind date. And on his way to said date is like,
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: you know, random events, you know, whatever else. And then
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: of course he actually gets to meet up with her.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: And then some of those random events catch up to them.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: So basically for a first date, it's one hell of
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: a ride. But again, it's like much like Trojan war.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like this like madcap, you know, series
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: of events that keeps happening over and over again.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe I didn't see this one. I'm looking at the
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: poster and there's shots of it here and I'm like, this...
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: Because I think I would remember this era. This was
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: a young Ethan Hawking.
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: This is coming off of Dead Poets Society. So maybe
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: this needs to go on the list then. I'm just
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: mixing it in. I think every movie is cuffs or something.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Which I know I did see.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: And even I was like, what are we watching? I'm
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: not sure anymore.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I was such a big Pump Up
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: the Volume fan.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely. That's what won me over going into
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: any of those movies after that.
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, anything with Christian Slayer was like.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Pump Up the Volume. That was one that felt like
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: a misstep. I was just like, dude, I'm on board
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: with you, but what are we watching? It's like he's
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: a cop kind of? I guess. I don't know. I
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: But yeah, Mystery Date has got like And instead of
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: the Latino gang in Trojan War, it's an Asian gang
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: that basically Ethan Hawke gets embroiled with. But of course,
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: these guys are actually like real Asian gangsters and he
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: somehow offends them. And so like they're chasing him out
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: throughout the whole movie. But yeah, it's another kind of
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: fun madcap.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of adventures going on in these romances.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: But it's really weird to see, especially now looking at
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: the Moon Knight trailer seeing Ethan Hawke now versus like
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: in 91 he looks like a baby.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. I was just looking at that photo. I
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: was like, I forgot, going back to Dead Poets, how
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: young he was in that movie.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: One that definitely falls under the obscure, but a solid
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: film and definitely held on the shelf for a long time,
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: much to its detriment, Dream for an Insomniac. It came
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: out in 96, but I think it was actually done
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: in 94. It stars Ione Skye.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: I'm sold already.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: A pre-Friends Jennifer Aniston, who basically plays the friend to
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: Ione Skye, not the lead in the movie.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Take Ione Skye.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: And then Mackenzie Austin is the male lead in this movie.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: That's one of those, like, under-the-radar girls of, like, if
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: you were the right kind of guy, like, Ione Skye was, like,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: your chick for that era. She's the thinking man.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: Like, she never got super famous. Maybe because she kind
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: of dropped out right at the point she probably was
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: poised to. She was just like, meh, I'm done. So
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: you didn't see her much for quite a while there. But, yeah,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: I think for the right kind of dorky guy... She
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: was definitely there.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, she had, you know, some very, you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: it was like, you know, she had Say Anything, she
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: had this movie, Gas Food Lodging, so she had some
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: solid films.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: She was, yeah, she was, again, she was like a
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: lead in a lot of stuff, but most of them,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: like Say Anything's probably the biggest thing most people would
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: know her from even in that era. But yeah, she
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: got a good amount of leads in like weird little
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: indie films after that. And then after a while, just
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: kind of took herself out of the run.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: But the plot for Dream for an Insomniac is Ione
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: Skye's character works in a coffee shop in San Francisco
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: that her uncle runs, and she and her brother are
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: working in the shop, and she's basically always kind of
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: pining away for the right guy, but never quite finds him.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: She is also an insomniac, hence the name, so she
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: has trouble sleeping, and when she does, she reads, and
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: so she's a very artsy kind of person. There's also
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: this big Frank Sinatra kind of vein running through the
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: whole thing, because apparently Frank Sinatra was a distant friend
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: to the uncle who runs the coffee shop. Frank came
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: in one time and enjoyed the place and would come
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: back when he came to San Francisco. They have a
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: very strong affinity for Frank Sinatra, and so she wants
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: to have a dude that has blue eyes like Frank.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: Enter in Mackenzie Austin, who he comes in looking for
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: a job, and he's got blue eyes just like old
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: Frankie does.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: She's not real discerning, is she?
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Well, look, I need one thing. I mean, he's a
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: nice-looking dude. He's a good-looking guy, but it's just that
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: love at first sight kind of thing. Only problem, wah, wah, wah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: he's got a girlfriend.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: This is how it usually works, actually.
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So anyway, so basically it's kind of the movie.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: It's like she's trying to get to know him and
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: fall in love with him and get him to dump
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: his girlfriend and go for her. Eventually it does, and
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: then the movie ends with her falling asleep in his arms.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: So the insomniac has found her man. But there's a
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: really interesting.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Sounds pretty solid. I'm on board with this.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: It's a nice quirky little film. Like I said, it
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: takes place in San Francisco, and they actually shot it
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: in Frisco. So you get some lovely... It's a love
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: letter to that movie. city.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: We will come back to San Francisco. Uh, just pin
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: a pin in that.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: Uh, but, uh, there's an interesting subplot in the movie
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: that's kind of progressive for the early nineties, which was that, uh,
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: Irony Sky's brother in the movie is gay, but he
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: is posing like he's straight. And so Jennifer Aniston is
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: basically like his, uh, his beard, essentially. Like, she's posing
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: as his girlfriend, you know, just to put up a
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: front for Uncle Leo. Well, finally, by the end of
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: the movie, he reveals to Uncle Leo, hey, I'm gay.
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: And Uncle Leo's like, I've always known you were gay.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: I still love you. So, I mean, like, it's this
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: wonderful moment of acceptance and coming out and everything looking great.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: And usually wasn't handled really well in that era. No.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: But, of course, being in San Francisco, it was like, okay,
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: you're going to have a lot more progressive people to
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: that just because of per capita sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: it's a nice progressive film and everything like that. But yeah,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: it's a lovely little movie. I've always championed it, and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: I'm always the only person who's ever heard of the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: damn movie.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, I only sky probably forgot she did it.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: We'll see what we can do. Let's go ask her. Yes.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: The last movie on my list, and probably, I would
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: argue this is probably one of the finest romantic comedies,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: not only of the 90s, but period, because of its
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: brutal honesty. And I'm talking about Chasing Amy.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: I was and still am a huge fan of that movie.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: I think we've discussed how much I've had to part
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: ways with Kevin Smith over the years. But yeah, at
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: that era, I mean, I still have like, it's a,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: it wasn't even a regular poster. They did like a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: Sundance poster that I got. And found, I think, on
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: their website back in the olden days when Kevin still
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: ran his own website. So there's a Chasing Amy poster
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: I have that's signed by him.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, cool.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: That when I saw Joey Lauren Adams, I got her
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: to sign it. So like, it's a shame because now
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: I've gotten so like, I don't want to hang it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: up because I don't want to claim Kevin Smith anymore.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: But I love that movie so much that it like,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: it kills me that now I, it almost gets lost
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: in everything that all the Kevin Smith baggage that he
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: brings with him now. But at the time I thought
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: that movie was revolutionary and like really kind of changed
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: the way I was looking at movies at the time
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: and definitely relationship movies. So I think it's impressive.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: Well, it definitely kind of, again, it's, it was ahead
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: of its time because you're dealing with so many, you know,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: sexual identity issues, you know, like Joey Lord and Adam's,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: you know, is basically playing, you know, like she's a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: lesbian in the movie, but then she starts dating Ben
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: Affleck because, well, okay, maybe it'll be, you know, I'll
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: check him out, we'll see how it goes. So we're
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: getting into, you know, polyamory there.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Again, her little speech there, like, it does seem like, oh,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: it's a weird, you know, plot convenience kind of thing
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: just to make this gimmicky, like, and all of that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: goes away when, like, and I guess points to him
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: for writing it, but, like, that little speech that she
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: gives is like, oh, huh. Actually, that is really smart
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: and clever and makes sense and makes you a real
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: human being. And like it just it it strips away
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: all the convenience of the bullshit that goes with writing
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: this kind of a plot. Sure. And like it makes
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: it very genuine. And like some of it is her performance.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Some of it is how it's written. But it's like.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: That made that whole thing work. If anything else would
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: have happened along the way, I feel like you wouldn't
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: buy what goes on in that movie. But that moment
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: is so genuine that you're like, alright, I'm on board.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: The rest of this story, I can see it happening now.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. We've seen, prior to this movie coming out, we've
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: seen other movies, other TV shows where we've got either,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: you know, the white, you know, straight, you know, male
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: or female comes in to save, you know, the poor
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: gay soul, you know, sort of thing like that. So
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: we're going to convert them because I have boobs or
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: I have a big wang, you know. You know, something
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: along those lines. And this movie does not do that.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: It slams the door on that big time because you've got,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: you know, the stupid-ass Ben Affleck who wants to be
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: the white savior and wants to, you know, make the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: confused gay girl straight because he loves her so much. And...
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: He gets to have his romantic moment with her and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: it fails miserably because he just can't get past her
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: past sexual history.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: Which also is legit. It is one of those... By
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: the end of the story, you're like, oh yeah, he's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: kind of being a jerk here. But at the same time,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: you're like, would you be any different?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: And now we're getting people that are a little more
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: open in their relationships and maybe it is something people
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: have to deal with. But definitely at the time, people
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: weren't really... open about that kind of stuff if it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: was going on so like I think for a lot
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: of people it makes you kind of go I don't
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: know would I be able to get over this you
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: know because she had done not just the fact that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: she was a lesbian but a lot of other stuff
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: in her sexual history so it's like when you're coming
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: into a relationship and you're like coming from totally different
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: backgrounds it's like it really does the whole little Bob
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: speech is kind of that same thing it's like how
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: do you get over that like how do you just
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: be like okay it's just us right now. Like we're
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: not going to go into each other's past and drag
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: up all kinds of stuff. And can you do that? Like,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: that's the hard part. Can you be okay with that?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: So again, I think there's really smart stuff that goes
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: along in that screenplay. Absolutely.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: And of course having Jason Lee's character be the friend,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: but also like, you know, they don't really come out,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: but they leave you at least thinking, is he questioning
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: his own sexuality? You know, or is at least kind
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: of like, I don't know. And you kind of really
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: kind of, making him ponder his own thing. And he
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: tries to get involved in it. Of course that fails too.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: And then, you know, not only is a relationship broken up,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: but a friendship and a partnership is also broken up too.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It is one of those. And that's, that's an
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: interesting aspect to it is like how un-Hollywood it ends.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: You know, it's so different than what you would expect
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: in your normal romantic comedy kind of thing that like,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's, From that angle, I think it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: was really kind of different from what we were expecting, too,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: in any romantic comedy, but especially coming from a silly
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: Kevin Smith movie that, you know... Only continued to get
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: sillier as time has gone on.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, for... So... Yeah, it was like, Clerks was,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: you know, well, Clerks had its silliness, was, you know,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: had something to say.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: But still was well done, and.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Mallrats was.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Mallrats is goofy, but.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: Mallrats is goofy.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: It's enjoyable goofy, and.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: And then Chasing Amy is like just.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: That's the pinnacle of his writing, I think.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: It really is, yeah. It is. It kind of went
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: all downhill from there, folks. He tried to at Dogma.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: He tried.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: Dogma's got great... I've said it before. I think the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: worst thing about it is Jay and Simon Pop. They
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: don't belong in that movie. If you take them out,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: it's a clever story. And it's really got grand themes
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: and important things it's trying to address. And some genuinely
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: funny comedic stuff, but it's just so forced in there
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: with the Jay and Silent Bob nonsense.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: And I think there was too much stunt casting, too. Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: You know, Affleck and Matt Damon casting as the angels,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: and Alasdair Morissette as God, and I was like, there
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: was just a lot of stunt casting in there that
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: kind of was distracting.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: Well, it's that same scenario. You've hit this peak of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: people aren't going to tell you no, because if you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: know him as a character... his weird Canadian Alanis Morissette thing.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Like that was just him checking a box of like, man,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: I sure would be cool to work with Alanis Morissette.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: And like, there you go. Like he's hit that pinnacle
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: in his career where people were still letting him crunch
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: up their screenplays, as we mentioned earlier, or make whatever
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: dumb movie he wanted or cast whoever he did.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: He almost did a Superman movie.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: He tried. Burton didn't go for it, but you know.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Neither did the studio, and we got Wild Wild West.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: So there you go. It all came full circle.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: We got our giant spider, damn it. But yeah, Chasing
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: Amy is still, and I've seen it recently, and it
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: still holds up.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: It's just, again, from somebody who, I think this was
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: just him as a writer at that time. I think
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: there's some really good, raw moments in clerks too that
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: are like genuine writing and like you definitely get that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: in chasing amy that's like stuff that you kind of
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: don't see at that era or since sometimes i feel
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: like it's just it's such an honest version of what
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: he's trying to say even if you don't like it
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: even if you don't agree with it like it's genuine
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: to who he was at that point in time and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: like i think that's what made it so different for
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: me watching it at the time and i don't again
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: like That person is gone now. Yeah. But I don't
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: even see other people doing stuff similar to that. I
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: don't know. It's an interesting thing to think about now
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: when it's come so far from what he did.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, a lot of those
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: same themes are still kind of felt today. You've got
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: people that are, you know, coming into their sexual identities
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: or they're still questioning it or kind of, you know,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: in combatants with themselves, let alone the outside world.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: That's what I think that one does pretty good, too,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: is not just Jason Lee being his friend that doesn't
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: like what they're doing, but her friends genuinely don't like what, and, like,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: she's ostracized by her friends because she's with Ben Affleck. So, yeah,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: it does a pretty decent job of, like, seeing what
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: a terrible situation they're in from every angle. Like, none
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: of it's going well.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I always appreciate that basically when her other lesbian
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: friends kind of drop her, like, they're in mourning. Yeah.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like they feel like, you know, like
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: she died. you know because.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: She's turned her back on us man yeah.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: Because she's gonna go hang out with a straight you
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: know so and of course that doesn't work out either
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: and then but yeah but it's interesting at the end
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: of the film like everybody is genuinely in a good
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: place so to speak from their career standpoints everybody's kind
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: of doing their own thing but that's the thing they're
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: doing their own thing they're not no one's together they're
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: There's no collaboration. No one's calling each other on the phone. Nothing.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just one of those, like, this is the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: hard life lesson thing. And, like, it sucks that it happened,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: but it needed to happen for everybody.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: And, like, they all got to a better place eventually
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: because of it, but it was painful going through at
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: the moment.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: And it's awkward afterwards. Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: Definitely.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they all see each other at a convention, and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: it's kind of like, hey, I've seen you naked.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: That's weird. Anyway.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: So that is my six films that I'm contributing to
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: the list here.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a bunch. Again, I'm looking at the regular
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: list here, and most of them are just stuff. It's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: all just romantic, sappy stuff that we don't want to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: go into.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, most of those are like, you know,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: They're fine for what they are. I mean, you know,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: it was like, you know, I can't deride anybody from
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: like in a romantic comedy when I'm over here goofing
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: off over superhero movies.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's fine if that's your thing. Yeah. It
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: is interesting when you get a weird one, the one
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: that just came up, there's a bunch of generic regular
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: ones on this list, but then, um, just got to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: about time. Ah, that is one that like, I was
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: not prepared for it to be as good as it
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: is and as different as it is. Like, It's the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: least time travel-y movie about time travel ever. Okay. It's
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: way more romance than it is time travel, although time
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: travel exists in it. It takes on this weird how
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: to deal with a relationship when you have this sort
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: of otherworldly power. And it's the thing that won me
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: over is I didn't really pay much attention one way
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: or the other to Rachel McAdams. And then I saw
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: that and I was like, oh no, oh no, I
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: see why. Domhnall Gleeson is like an interesting lead because
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: he's not normally who you would expect to be in
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: that kind of role. And he's great at it. And
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: then you see her and like, oh no, I totally
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: buy them as a couple. So if we're going to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: pick a genuine, a little more conventional version, that's one that, again,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: is not really conventional because it's a weird time travel
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: movie that's also a romance more than anything. Yeah. I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: just saw that on the list and had to mention it.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: And it's weird you bring that one up because I've
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: seen some stuff recently where people kind of bring up, like,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: I think Rachel McAdams may actually be a time traveler
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: because she's done About Time. Yeah. Then there's The Time
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: Traveler's Wife that she's also done. And then she's now
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: going to be in her second Doctor Strange film, which, again,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: there's some time travel involved in the first movie. The
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: second Doctor Strange movie deals with the multiverse that's dimensional.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Traveling, so.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: Is Rachel McAdams not entirely human?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: And, like, I've seen her a lot of times since
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: Mean Girls, and she doesn't look that different either. Yeah,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: she's out of time.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: She has aged very well. Almost like not aging at all,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: just changing hair color.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: So, maybe we're on to you, Rachel McAdams.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, she's a very attractive time traveler and a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: talented actress, so, you know.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Again, that was that was the thing. I only knew
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: her for Mean Girls before. And I saw that and
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, maybe I need to watch more Rachel McAdams.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: She's really good in this. So, yeah, I yeah, that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: was one of the few that came up on the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: regular list that I was like, all right, now that
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: I can get by. But most of the other stuff
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: you've already heard about. We don't need to tell you.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: So we'll just round it out with the one that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: I watched because yesterday I was like, all right, we're
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: going to sit down and talk about that. Maybe I've
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: got enough time to watch one movie before we sit
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: down today. Let's watch something. And I didn't know what.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: And I was like, can I pick just a regular
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: movie and watch just to have something? And then I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: went out into the world looking for dorky DVDs like
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: I do. And I came across this one. And I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: will go ahead and call it out that you're going
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: to know it, if not by the film, by the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: cover art. Because... I'm calling myself out, too. As an
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: old person, you probably saw this in the video store
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: every time. This is one of those that was classic
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: VHS box art that sat in every video store I
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: ever went into. I'm going to hold it up right
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: now as I found a copy of Thief of Hearts.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: That cover art is pretty much the same cover art
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: that's been on there since the VHS copy.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: Look at that dude wow so i saw this and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: was like damn it that's what i'm gonna have to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: watch so in this past day i have watched thief
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: of hearts steamy it is well see that's the thing
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: because i never watched it before i saw this box
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: art a million times and never picked it because i'm
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: like This looks like something my mom would have picked
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: at the time because this dude on the front's hot
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: and he's wearing his black leather jacket and he's probably
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: a bad boy and this married lady wants to get
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: it on with him. Guess what? That's the premise. Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: But it's also kind of a soft core porn too. Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, I expected more of that. It's really pretty
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: minimal on that. It's a little more.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: It's Skinamax.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it works more as like a Harlequin romance novel
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: where it's all the buildup to it and no real payoff.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: You get, I mean, I genuinely laughed out loud.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: When he.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: Shows up, they have, I'm jumping ahead, but just to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: make the point of, At some point, she's going to
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: meet him for... They're business acquaintances is what this has become.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: This is a scam, by the way. I'll get back
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: into the story. But at this moment, they're business acquaintances. Yeah.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: He sends her flowers and says, hey, come meet me
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: at the marina or whatever. She shows up.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: That's what professionals do, is send flowers.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: This is what defines this movie and why I enjoyed
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: it so much. It is the most 80s movie ever. So.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: She shows up and he's there on the dock in,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't see the label, but I'm going to say
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: it looked like a members only jacket. And no shirt.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: So then they get out on the boat after he
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: gives her a check for a large amount of money.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: And then suddenly she's okay going on the boat with
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: him where she wasn't before. And I'm like, that just
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: seems like he's paying for you now. Suddenly they're on
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: the boat after he gives her a lot of money.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: And then he's not wearing a shirt. And he starts
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: just oiling himself up.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: That was, oh, laughing out loud. I don't think that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: was supposed to be the response.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: Oh my God.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: It is so cheesy. Yeah. But again, very little actual
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: sex scenes. There's maybe one in the middle. That's kind
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: There's a couple.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: And even that, it's, minimal as far as nudity it's
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: very tastefully done i suppose yeah for moms everywhere did
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: not be too scandalous when they watched this but okay
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: we've jumped ahead let me go to the premise of
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: this story so this is 1984 so we are right
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: at the Right in the groove of, you know, you
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: hit the early 80s and you're still coming out of
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: the 70s. So you don't really gel in the thing
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: that is the 80s for a couple of years. But this.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: 84, you're definitely.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: In the 80s. 84, you are well into what is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: generically known as the 80s vibe. And so everybody has
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: got weird 80s hair. And they're wearing their weird 80s
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: members only jackets. And.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: This is the thing. As soon as it starts, the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: music kicks in to get back to our music thing.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: And this is why I was like, okay, we need
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: to do more soundtrack episodes because I need to go
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: get this soundtrack. It's got some classic 80s songs, but
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: as soon as it kicks in, I hear the synths
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: kicking up. I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: going to be so 80s. And then as the credits
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: are rolling, I'm like, wait, wait. Does that say Harold Baltimore?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: This is the first... real screen presence of Harold Fulton
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: Meyer that same year, Beverly Hills cop comes out. Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: So yeah.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: And from that point on, yeah. For the eighties, he
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: is synonymous with, you know, if you want a cheesy
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Cynthia soundtrack, you go to Harold Fulton Meyer. So you've
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: got that awesome soundtrack.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: This is also a, um, well, I seem to remember too,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: like the main, like love theme felt kind of like a, sideways,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: careless whisper. It kind of had that very schmaltzy, sexy
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: saxophone kind of thing.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of schmaltzy in this movie. Misguided schmaltzy.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: But no, the production team is Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: This is kind of the first real... this, this era
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: is like that coming together. Cause this was again, right
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: before Beverly Hills cop. And from that point on, it's like,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: they came out of flash dance. They did this movie.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: They go to Beverly Hills cop. So like this is
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: sandwiched in between the things that they're going to be
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: known for the most in this era. And they're big,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: super successes that they kind of ride out until Simpson's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: not around anymore. So it's like, yeah it is so
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: of that era visually definitely all of the 80s things
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: going on of.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: Course you're looking at the cast here too it's kind
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: of funny because you're like Stephen Bauer is your lead
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: and that guy like god bless him he tried and
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: But he was kind of like your third-rate Mickey Rourke.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: He's so... That's the thing. I'm looking at him going,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: this guy... I don't argue the fact that most moms
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: everywhere thought he was super hunky. I'm sure he's very
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: conventionally handsome. But he also comes off, you're watching him,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I think I work with this guy at
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: one point. He's still kind of a regular Joe kind
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: of thing. Almost so much so that you're like, are
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: you sure he's the lead? It feels like he almost
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't need to be the lead because he doesn't really
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: pull in enough charisma to kind of bump him up
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: to where they put him in this movie. The go-to,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: the John Gatz is the husband. And I'm like, he
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: uh i don't know how she's with him he has
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: glasses i mean he is such a loser it's interesting
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: this little dynamic because she becomes the like that's why
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: it's so harlequin romance because it's like you're obviously like
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: oh i feel so sorry for this dorky guy that
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: she's with and i expected him to make him like
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: a businessman like a banker or some shit but he's
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: He's a writer, but not even like, oh, he's a
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: writer and he's doing some sort of mystery novel or something.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: He's a children's writer. He's writing children's books. And he's
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: still worried about his deadline. I'm like, do they have those?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess they do. It runs like a business.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: But still, it's weird. When he, this deadline's killing me
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: and he's writing children's books.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: Well, strange enough, you kind of look back at John
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: Goetz's career here and you got to look this guy
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: up here, folks. You'll recognize him when you see him.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: He's been in a bunch of movies. But he has
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: a strange career of playing like asshole cuckolds.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. That's definitely this role. He is.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: But he's kind of the cuckold in the fly movies.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: That's why. I was trying to remember why I knew him.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: I looked it up earlier. I was like, oh, yeah.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: Right after this, he's in the fly.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: Well, he was in both of them.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Here's our karaoke. I just re-watched the second
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: fly for some reason recently. And he's our only real
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: thread that runs through the both movies.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: And then he's an asshole cuckold in one of my
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: favorite basically forgotten 80s comedies. Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: Because he's the boss at the place that she works for.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: And he tries to get with her. And then he's like, oh, wait,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: it's a high school girl. The other one I should
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: be liking, I don't. Yeah, poor bastard. So like David
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: Caruso is also in Thief of Hards. George Wendt. It's
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: like this list of character actors.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: That was the thing. Once the credits start rolling, I
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: was like, OK, I'm glad I've picked this one for
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: no other reason than looking at some of these. Because
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: that's the thing. It starts off and like one of
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: the first people we see is David Caruso. And I'm like,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: is he like 16? Like he looks like a kid.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: And he has in that first scene. I'm like, is
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: this like a weird flat top guy? And then as
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: you get further in, which I swear, I think maybe
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: they shot that at a different time. Cause then like
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: the next time we see him, it's almost full pompadour.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: Like it is a huge, and like, you know what
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: his hair looks like. Do you need that much giant
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: red hair? Like it is a huge 80s haircut. Then
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: I'm like, but he is still David Caruso. Like he
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: is a dick. Like, He is what he grew to
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: play perfectly. Even when he's our lead, he's kind of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: a dick. You don't just get a touching role from
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: David Caruso. He found his thing, and he stuck with it.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be the hero of this movie, but
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: I'm also going to be an asshole. He is that
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: even here.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: This is one of his first real film roles, and yep,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: he is still playing that from the get-go. And this
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: was that era. There's that 10 to 12 years where
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: Even though he was never a lead at any random moment,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: you'll watch an 80s movie and George Wendt will be there.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: He's never a main character. He's always got a handful
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: of scenes. And you're just like, hey, look, it's George Wendt.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: And like, he's like his friend in this one. So
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: we get a couple of scenes of him like. well,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: do you think she's cheating on you?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: And like, there is, they're actually for two random dudes.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: They're a little like more honest than you would expect actually.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: Cause at one point George went like, look, I've known
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: you for a long time and you can be an asshole.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to live with you. So if she's
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: cheating on you, there's probably a good reason. I was like, wow,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: that's pretty honest. Like good for you for actually telling
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: your friend there's a reason your wife doesn't want to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: be with you.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, of course, the whole device, too, is that
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: she has, like, some kind of, like, diaries, and she's, like,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: all sexy passages and stuff in there, her fantasies and stuff.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing. This is, I've skipped over the big
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: hook of this movie. So, he's a professional thief.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: As far as I can tell, he doesn't even have
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: a real job. That is his job. Caruso, at the beginning,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: is working as, like, a valet at this fancy restaurant,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: and basically, the rich people come in to go eat there,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: so he knows they're not home. He calls on his
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: walkie talkie, I think, and like he's got a CB
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: or something that's hooked up to pretty boy. What's his
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: face here? And he's off lurking in the bushes around
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: some house because he knows all these rich people that
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: go to the restaurant. So he lets them know when
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: they're not there. He goes to their house to steal stuff,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: and then I guess lets them know, oh, well, they
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: just picked up their car, so you better get out
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: of there. So this is their grand scheme of how
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: they rip people off.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: It's a decent operation.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: It's actually, yeah, it's a pretty good plan. I'll have
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: to give them that. But yeah, so we get right
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: off the bat, they're going to their anniversary dinner or whatever,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: and he goes to their house. And at first, he's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: just looking for stuff to steal, like you do. Although
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: for some reason they steal like super high end stuff.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: Like they steal artwork. So they're trying to fence artwork
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: in other cities because artwork is kind of hard to sell.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: Especially when you don't want anyone to know where you
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: got it.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: But apparently he's got a great fence.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: But he knows, yeah, he knows the top quality stuff.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: So he gets really expensive artwork and steals it among
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: other things. So there's a locked box in this cabinet
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: that he assumes is like Jules or whatever and takes
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: it and it's, her journals and then this is where
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: this is where maybe the first time i was laughing
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: because i was just like i don't i feel like
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: most random people that break into your house you're not
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: going to cut to later they're going to be at
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: home cooking a fine dinner drinking a glass of wine
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: and reading journals of this lady they robbed i.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: Mean she's a good writer she paints a.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: Picture I suppose she I mean, I was trying to
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: decide if I'd seen other things. She is an attractive lady.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: I get it. I get why I get suckered in.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: But it is just very odd. The turn of these
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: like suddenly he's like this super. just sensitive guy that
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: really is misunderstood. And he ended up in this life
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: of crime.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: He's a thief with a heart of gold.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking that as we get the running
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: theme from the other angle is the hooker with the
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: heart of gold for guys. But this is like the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: bad boy with the heart of gold. He doesn't really
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: want to be a criminal. He just needs a good
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: woman to set him on the path.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: I just didn't pass math class.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I call bullshit on all of this. But it's...
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: It is quite entertaining, again, mostly for the performances in
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: the 80s, the music. She's also, again, I'm a sucker
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: for some interior design. She works as an interior designer.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: But this is also like 1984 idea of interior design.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: So like everything, we see her do like a show
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: that has... I don't know what they're doing. She supposedly
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: designed a kitchen, but they get there and it's just
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: a big open room. I'm like, there's not... There's a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: stove over there, maybe?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: Where's the fridge?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: But I was like, how do you... Yeah, you're supposed
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: to do a house and go there and everybody does
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: a room, but this is just a big-ass convention center.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: She was a better writer than she was a designer.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know. But then later, that's the go-to. He
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: pretends he's a businessman and he gets her to... Come
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: do some work at his apartment. Again, coming from Flashdance.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: His huge, fabulous apartment loft that I guess if a
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: life of crime would let you, better than a welder, would.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: Allow you to live there. 5,000 square feet, not a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: wall in sight.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge. It's brick. It's got a loft bedroom
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: up there. It's very impressive. But then you flash forward
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: to later when she does her magic on it. It's
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: the most... Like in your face, cheesy, contemporary, like everything
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: is primary colors and big bold patterns and just empty
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: minimalist weird artwork shit. And I'm just like... I'm a
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: sucker for that kind of stuff to some degree, but
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this is like a bad version of it. Like, oh.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: Like when he breaks over there, he's going to have
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: to find another interior designer.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing. I was like, at some point
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: then he's getting into trouble. He's like, oh, I'm out
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: of here. And I'm like, oh, the poor bastards who
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: own that building. They're left with this weird contemporary bullshit
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: in their place. They'll never re-rent it. Or maybe you'll
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: find some weird artsy person. I don't know.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: Did he pay off his bill entirely? Does he still
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: owe her money?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know where you got that
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: much money for primary colors.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: He sold a Van Gogh somewhere, I guess.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: I guess, because.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's... I do remember, I didn't see this in
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: theaters or back in the day, but it would pop
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: up definitely in the Skinamax list of, you know, your
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: soft core, there's some nudity, and they try to do
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: a real film.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: Minimal, by the way. I was expecting more, really. I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: thought that would win me over. But even though, even
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: on the back here, he's not wearing a shirt. They're
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: banking again. It's all moms. It's like middle-aged women that
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: really think this scenario might happen to them at some point.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: That's who they're banking on for this one. Because you
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: don't really get much action in it. And even, that's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: the part I thought was funny. Anytime they're to get,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: like he does sort of win her over in the beginning.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: He comes off as kind of being smooth and suave.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: But then, like, once they're together, she seems miserable the
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: whole time. Like, every time they cut to her, even
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: during the sex scene, like, she looks miserable. And I'm like, ah, finally,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: an aspect of this I understand.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: She's very high.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: Making a woman miserable. I get this. Yeah, this makes sense.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: She's very high maintenance because, you know, poor husband John
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: Getz can't satisfy her or do anything for her. Then
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: she gets the steamy affair, and he can't do anything
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: for her either. It's like, good God, woman.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. She needs a therapist. They're all too much
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: damn trouble. Because early on we get a shot of
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: him and Caruso keeps hooking him up with girls and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: he doesn't want anything to do with them. Right. Because
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: he's so sensitive and he wants a real woman, not
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: this hooker. I want some ditzy dame.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: I need me a real lady.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: In the beginning he gets some girl that's just turned
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: 18 and is there being a prostitute. And once again,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: a loving sex scene where she's on top of him
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: and he's like, Get off me. I was like, ah,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: this is touching. I love this romance. Get off me. No,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: it's not going to happen. And then he gives her
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: a ton of money for not having sex with him.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: I guess that's the optimum situation when you're a hooker.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: If you enjoy bitter love scenes that just completely disinterested
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: people in each other, check out Thief of Hearts.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, it is so not. For something that
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: sells it like that, it kind of doesn't deliver on
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: any of these things. Other than, I mean, the dude
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: takes his shirt off a lot. If that's what you're
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: looking for, you're fine.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: He takes his shirt off more than she does. Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: That's the thing.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: We don't get much from her at all. There's a
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: little bit. Just another look. Oh, nope. It's gone now. So, yeah.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: You don't get much from her. You get a lot
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: of him with his shirt off. But even then, he
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: goes very quickly from being troubled bad boy that needs
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: to be redeemed to... this guy's just a screw up.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: Like you really don't want to be with this guy.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: So it, it is interesting to watch because it is
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: that like wish fulfillment of like, don't wish too hard
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: for this. Cause then you get it and you realize, Oh,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: this is terrible. Like I so don't want to be
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: with this guy. And he's got this troubled past that
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: makes him a bad boy is going to come back
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: to bite you in the ass. So like, yeah, it's not,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: you better just stick with your boring ass husband and
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: not worry about it. And, Maybe all this will make
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: the relationship stronger. We'll have to see. Go watch Thief
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: of Heart.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: Ladies, just buy a sex toy and get the internet.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: No, seriously. We've got internet now. We don't need to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: watch this.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah. There's no need for affairs. We have Pornhub.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: The only reason to watch this is for my purposes,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: which is cheesy 80s-ness, an awesome cheesy soundtrack. And George went?
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know. That's pretty much it.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: Nothing says love like Harold Faltermeyer.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: Damn skinny. Yeah, it was an interesting ride. I'm glad
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: I went on, but not for the reasons I think
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: they intended.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: Man, that's a flick I haven't seen in a while.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I'm kind of glad about that.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's again, I think we should return to it
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: with our soundtrack. That's where the fun is. The movie
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: itself doesn't quite, like, it really is. They even mention
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: in the facts it's, like, coming off of, production-wise, coming
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: out of, like, Thief. So, like, Thief is doing a
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: very 80s, like, crime version of this concept with that
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: same style of shooting and music and, like, but you
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: want to watch Thief.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: This is the other version of, like, oh, no, this is,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: that same team got together to make a Harlequin romance
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: and it's, It's just not delivering for anybody, really.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the big difference is that Thief had James Caan
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: and Michael Mann at the helm at his high point. So, yeah,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: Thief is going to be a much better film.
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  Speaker 4: They also tie it to the other one that I
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: know my mom would have watched at the time. So
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure every mom that rented this was like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: I wish I would have got American Gigolo. Yeah. Because that,
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  Speaker 4: I think, kind of delivers for most of them that
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: want to see Richard Gere with his shirt off. Probably
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  Speaker 4: not now, but back in the 80s, sure, I guess.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, that was my entry for.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: One more for our Valentine's wrap-up here. So, definitely go
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  Speaker 4: check out Thief of Heart. For all the wrong reasons.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. It's a lesson in what not to do
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  Speaker 5: and a lot of reasons.
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  Speaker 4: Yup. It was an interesting watch.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man. No shabbats. All right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we've given everyone a lot to work with.
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  Speaker 4: I think we have here. Some ones they might not
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  Speaker 4: have heard of, might not have thought of for Valentine's Day,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe one to watch for a whole different reason.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 4: We'll have to see. We definitely need to come back
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  Speaker 4: to the soundtracks. Whether or not we need to return
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  Speaker 4: for more romance next Valentine's, I don't know. But we
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  Speaker 4: got in some good ones this year. We did.
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  Speaker 5: We did, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think we've given people something to work with.
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  Speaker 5: Something different to check out. As opposed to the, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Julia Roberts, Goldie Hawn's daughter, can't remember her name. You know,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: Sandra Bullock stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a sucker for While You Were Sleeping. That's all
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: I got to say. the early ones with all of
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: them i was on board with but as time went
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: on they just kept trying to do those things again
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: and it didn't work and although i did just see
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: the trailer for that new sandra bullock movie and i'm
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: kind of on board with it as cheesy as it's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: sort of like what if we took the idea of
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: romancing the stone and went way further with it okay
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: she's like a romance novelist that's writing kind of that
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: same joan wilder stories adventure stories with the dudes with
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: their shirt off on the cover so the idea is
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: they're the cover art or the fabio of these novels
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: is um the hell's his name shit now i gotta
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: look at uh john cena oh god um Fucking 21
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: Jump Street. What's that dude's name?
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: Oh, Channing Tatum.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: There you go. Our Harlequin romance novel Fabio wannabe is
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: Channing Tatum with his long hair, which has been a
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: bad wig. So the scenario is like he thinks he
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: is that character, not delusionally, but he's sort of built
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: himself up as though he really thinks he's this guy
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: on the cover of these romance novels. And even she's
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: writing like, Dude, what is wrong with you? These are
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: sappy romance novels. You're not that guy. So some weird
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: guy comes along and kidnaps her because she's working on
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: a book that has a map to a treasure and
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: there really is a treasure. So he thinks she's going
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: to lead him there. So he kidnaps her and takes
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: her to this other country and Channing Tatum thinks that
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: he's going to come rescue her to prove that he
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: really is the guy. And then somewhere along the way,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: Brad Pitt gets involved. Who actually is like the cool
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: tough guy with the long hair. I don't know. It
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: seems cheesy enough I'm on board. Interesting. If you want
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: to put that on your looking into the future to
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: see a weird kind of a more comedy than romance
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: probably but. It looks like Miss Congeniality goes to another
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: country and gets caught up in some sort of wacky scenario.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: It's sort of interesting, too, of pairing up romantically Sandra
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: Bullock and Channing Tatum.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: It's a little bit of a May-December. I mean, not
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: like Sandra Bullock's in her 70s or anything like that,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: but it's like she's in her, what, late 40s, I'm thinking?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: I would say so by now.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then Channing is probably, what, in his 30s
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: at this point? So, yeah.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: Just a little bit.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: Well, probably at least a 10-year difference.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: That's interesting. I'm okay with that.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I go to Broadway.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: Most things with Sandra Bullock, though. I just watched her
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: weird prison movie on Netflix. Or getting out of prison movie.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: She's really good. Like, again, she's proven herself time and
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: again as an actress. But it's fun to see her
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: sort of return to the comedy stuff, too.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: Okay, I see the last thing I saw her in
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: was Bird Box.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: I watched that, too. It's... She's not the problem with that.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: It's got problems, but it's not her.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the book's a hell of a lot better. Let's
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: put it that way. My wife could tell you that.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: She's actually currently reading the sequel to Bird Box, which
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: is called, was it Marjorie or Mallory or whatever her
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: name is in the book. But yeah, so the books
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: are better.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: I don't stand by that at all.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of hard to.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: Do a movie about a creature that the audience can't see.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: They did the best they could within there. I think
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: it's so many other things going on in that movie
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: that throw it off, really. We'll save that for another episode.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: We will.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: Let's just round out our sappy romance and you can
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: look forward to seeing a weird Sandra Bullock movie. Alright.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: Otherwise I'd say that about does it.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: Indeed it does. We hope you've loved this episode.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: Good luck to you. If not go get some Reese's
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: Cups and See what weird message it gives you, and
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: it all comes full circle.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: Eat me.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Eat me.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Buh-bye.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: I love the light in your eyes and the dark
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: in your heart. You love our permanent chase and the
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: bite of our bark. We know we're classic together like
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: Egyptian gold.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 7: We.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: love us.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: It don't matter become bad if I'll be sweet cherry
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 6: pie it don't matter just as long as I get
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: all you tonight.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I can take you out oh oh we can get
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: some time stay home throw the loose teddy bears and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: the chocolate eclairs away Got nothing but love for.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: You, for more love every day. Valentine.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: Valentine.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: So deep, your DNA's being messed with, my touch can't
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: be us.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: So real fueling the fire until we combust can't touch
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: us it don't matter.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: We come out of.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: All be sweet cherry pie it don't matter just as
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: long as i get all you tonight i can take
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: you out We can kill some time to stay at home.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: Throw the blue.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Steady bears and the chocolate eclairs away. Got nothing but
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: love for you, for more love every day.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Valentine. Valentine.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: I feel the pain.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Don't wait. Have your cake and eat it too. Full plate,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: don't wait. Have your cake and eat it.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: I can take you out, oh, oh.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: We can kill some time, stay home Throw the blue
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: city bears and the chocolate eclairs away Got nothing but
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: love for you, for more love every day Valentine Valentine
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Valentine Valentine Valentine.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: And also for somebody who was, like, writing a sexy
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: journal and, like, I've got, you know, like, I want
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: to do all these things. When she, like, finds a
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: dude who, like, does some, like, some, you know, sexy
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: things or, like, tries some different positions. Like, she is so, like,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: thrown off and appalled by it or, like, just unprepared.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that sex scene is so uncomfortable because she
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: just looks miserable.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I mean, again. get it it's the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: i'm cheating on my husband and i'm not okay with
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: that but i'm still doing it because i think i
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: want to do it because i wrote all these stupid
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: stories and like i again i made this bet with
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: myself and now i don't want to cash in on it.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: But usually the regret sort of happens like after the
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: sex not knowing yeah it's yeah.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: It's an awkward scene.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: I understand the writers are trying to be economical, but
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: good God, man, give her at least five minutes of joy.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, at least make it seem like there's usually, yeah,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: like you're swept up with the romance and then you don't.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: think about it until after the fact. They're like, oh God,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: what have I done? I've screwed up my whole marriage.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: We don't even get that. Like they're in the middle
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: of it and she's just like, I don't like this.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Or either that, like maybe like a couple of sessions
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: and she's having a good time.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then like number three is like, okay, now
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: I'm starting to regret this. But no. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: That's why it's not super like with the sex scenes
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: because I think they only do it once. Like maybe
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: off screen they supposedly have done it more, but we
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: kind of only see that one time. And it's awkward!
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