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September 28, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

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SPEAKER_33: Today is today.
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SPEAKER_33: And yesterday was today yesterday.
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SPEAKER_33: Tomorrow will be today tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_33: So live today.
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SPEAKER_33: So the future today will be as the past today as it is tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_14: Third rate off brand bright part Minnesota MAGA media.
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SPEAKER_39: The best way to do that.
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SPEAKER_10: Was the fog as bad for you driving in as it was for me, or is it had it pretty much lifted by the It was still pretty bad.
1:20
SPEAKER_10: Okay, yeah.
1:20
SPEAKER_10: It was that was that's actually kind of scary.
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SPEAKER_10: A little bit.
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SPEAKER_10: I haven't been when I was leaving plane this morning.
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SPEAKER_10: I mean, like the high beams don't help.
1:29
SPEAKER_10: It just disperses the light further, just makes it more blinding than it already is.
1:34
SPEAKER_10: But I mean, you had to be within, I don't know, 15, 20 car lengths of the traffic lights to even see them.
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SPEAKER_10: It was just weird.
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SPEAKER_10: It's like dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, and you can see this faded, faded blue or green or red in the in the distance of the traffic lights coming forward.
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SPEAKER_10: And then I thought we were clear and I drove right back into it on the drive-in.
1:54
SPEAKER_10: So I suppose by now it should be okay.
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SPEAKER_10: The sun's coming up, so we should be alright.
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SPEAKER_10: So there's no need to go and warn individuals.
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SPEAKER_10: I just will say that it was a bit of a sketchy drive heading into the show today.
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SPEAKER_10: Glad you're with us for a Monday.
2:06
SPEAKER_10: I hope you had a uh fantastic uh weekend.
2:08
SPEAKER_10: I hope it was a good weekend.
2:10
SPEAKER_10: Like the Vikings, you know, maybe a little messy.
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SPEAKER_10: Still came out on top.
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unknown: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_10: Squeak kind of squeaked by on that one.
2:18
SPEAKER_10: I was not all that uh that impressed.
2:20
SPEAKER_10: And just keeping with the theme, I saw quite a few individuals that were wanting to see Carson Wentz get back uh back in the game.
2:26
SPEAKER_10: Do you have any sort of opinion on that?
2:28
SPEAKER_10: Do you think that Kyler Murray did oh did okay post uh post uh concussion status?
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SPEAKER_07: Uh well he didn't he had the one interception, but other than that, he didn't turn it over.
2:38
SPEAKER_07: So with our defense, that's about all you can ask.
2:41
SPEAKER_07: We'll take the the bar is very low.
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SPEAKER_07: I saw I saw some people who wanted JJ McCarthy, actually.
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SPEAKER_07: Oh, come on.
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SPEAKER_10: There's been no there's no uh you know, don't get me started.
2:52
SPEAKER_10: Don't get me started.
2:53
SPEAKER_10: The last person that needs to be talking about football is me.
2:56
SPEAKER_10: Great NASCAR race yesterday.
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SPEAKER_10: My guy didn't do so well, his pit crew failed him, but it was still a great uh NASCAR race yesterday.
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SPEAKER_10: All right, we got a lot of ground to cover on the uh show uh today.
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SPEAKER_10: The Supreme Court clears uh Trump administration to use voter citizenship verification tool.
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SPEAKER_10: We'll talk about this later in the show.
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SPEAKER_10: Also, uh policy fellow Darren Nelson will be joining us at 8:30.
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SPEAKER_10: He'll be sitting on the uh comfy sofas here in the center of the American Experiment Studios.
3:21
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna talk a little energy policy and more specifically NIMBY's.
3:26
SPEAKER_10: The Nata in my backyarders.
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SPEAKER_10: And the good and bad versus that.
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SPEAKER_10: There are good NIMBES.
3:31
SPEAKER_10: I don't know if you're aware of this or not.
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SPEAKER_10: There are good NIMBEs, and there are bad NIMBY's.
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SPEAKER_10: So we're gonna break down, along with a host of other issues, uh the good NIMBY's and the uh bad NIMBY's.
3:41
SPEAKER_10: We have more uh details regarding the Center of the American Experiments exclusive uh Minnesota voter polling.
3:51
SPEAKER_10: We'll have Bill Walsh in studio coming up on Wednesday morning at 8:30 because the Democrats have a massive, massive DSA problem.
4:00
SPEAKER_10: And we're gonna break down those numbers with with uh with Bill.
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SPEAKER_10: But I do have some more uh exclusive numbers to share with you coming up in the uh 8 o'clock hour today.
4:09
SPEAKER_10: Also, more details, as if you thought you'd heard it all.
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SPEAKER_10: More details regarding uh the St.
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SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor cooleie her and the lawsuit uh that's being brought about because of the police chief regarding her, not only the allegations of sexual misconduct and abuse, but now other potential retaliatory measures that she was taking beyond that.
4:32
SPEAKER_10: And there's a very clear uh narrative forming, in my opinion, assuming all of the allegations are true.
4:38
SPEAKER_10: So we'll talk about uh that uh next hour.
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SPEAKER_10: Andrew Langer will be joining us coming up at uh 6.30 this morning.
4:44
SPEAKER_10: Uh got a number of different issues we're gonna talk about with Andrew Langer, including we will revisit the uh story of the lesbian bar that got itself embroiled in controversy for simply dropping their Saturday night mask mandate.
5:02
SPEAKER_10: That story continues to go viral.
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SPEAKER_10: So we'll talk about that um, along with the fact that some 44% of Democrats right now believe that violence is thumbs up when dealing with President Donald Trump.
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SPEAKER_10: 44%.
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SPEAKER_10: That's an astronomical number, by the way.
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SPEAKER_10: You have to, so let me break it down further.
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SPEAKER_10: That's not 44% of Democrats.
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SPEAKER_10: I mean, let me rephrase.
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SPEAKER_10: Of all Democrats.
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SPEAKER_10: It's of those that believe that violence is a necessary measure to push back on President Donald Trump, 44% of those individuals believe that.
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SPEAKER_10: So we'll guide we'll dive into those numbers and I'll provide a little bit more clarity for you when we talk with Andrew Linger coming up at uh 6 30.
5:51
SPEAKER_10: And then we'll also get into in just a moment uh this thwarted terror attack at the US base in England, um, where they believed that it might have been Iranians.
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SPEAKER_10: Five men have been arrested near the airbase, used by the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: in the in the region, uh belongs to the RAF, um, on suspicion of preparing a terrorist attack.
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SPEAKER_10: Uh you had Fox News covering this, but ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, all the Sunday talk shows, they all chose to ignore this story.
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SPEAKER_10: They chose to ignore this story because there's a couple of details that we're waiting to find out, specifically the country of origin of the individuals who were attempting to carry out this terrorist attack, because it has the potential to bring in a couple of stories.
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SPEAKER_10: One, the war with Iran.
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SPEAKER_10: But two, something that the United States media has ignored because it exposes our own border vulnerabilities and specifically what Joe Biden did in the four in the uh four years that he was in office.
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SPEAKER_10: But there's potential that these individuals most likely were a part of this mass migration problem that they see in Europe right now, which just continues to expose how dangerous it is when you allow this many individuals from other countries to essentially go and invade your country.
7:23
SPEAKER_10: So I have a lot of audio to share coming up in a few minutes here on the show.
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SPEAKER_10: I want to get you updated in just a moment, too, with uh some of the stories that you might have missed at the end of last week and into the weekend.
7:34
SPEAKER_10: Uh, Alpha News has their uh weekly update, and we'll get into that in a second.
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SPEAKER_10: First off, though, uh, I do want to touch upon this.
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SPEAKER_10: President Donald Trump predicted on Saturday that the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: and Cuba will reach an agreement, and he does not think that military action will be necessary.
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SPEAKER_10: He was talking with reporters at the White House.
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SPEAKER_10: He would say, I would say Cuba and the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: will make a deal.
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SPEAKER_10: I don't think we need the military involved.
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SPEAKER_10: Uh, the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: imposed oil blockade implemented earlier this year has put the country under severe strain as it contends with fuel shortages and blackouts that have been exacerbated by the failing infrastructure.
8:14
SPEAKER_10: In an address to the UN General Assembl Assembly earlier last week, of which we touched upon quite a uh quite a bit, uh Trump called Cuba a failed state and said freedom will be coming to the island nation.
8:25
SPEAKER_10: Of course, the uh Cuban delegation walked out of the hall during that particular uh speech.
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SPEAKER_10: This is all a byproduct of the the Donro doctrine, as opposed to the Munro doctrine.
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SPEAKER_10: Uh Trump does not want to allow platforms for Russia, China, and Iran via these authoritarian and failed states.
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SPEAKER_10: We see this with what's happened in Venezuela.
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SPEAKER_10: Trump wants something similar when it happens to Cuba.
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SPEAKER_10: Again, this has potential to impact the elections coming up, but it continues to drive home the point that I've made, and that President Donald Trump is taking kind of a George Bush angle on his presidency and doing what he believes is necessary and best to secure the future of the United States as opposed to making political moves, or he's doing this regardless of the impact that it can have on the midterm elections.
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SPEAKER_10: Now, that being said, I don't think that President Donald Trump would go and launch any sort of military action with this this many few weeks heading into our midterm elections.
9:34
SPEAKER_10: But this is the reason why he's looking at Cuba.
9:36
SPEAKER_10: It's this continued realignment of you know geopolitics as it relates to our energy infrastructure, making us energy in independent.
9:47
SPEAKER_10: And look, the moves that he's making now, you know, were heaven forbid a Democrat to grab the White House in 2028, it would absolutely benefit that Democrat in the White House.
9:58
SPEAKER_10: They would be able to take advantage of the global maneuvers of President Donald Trump, all while right now attempting to criticize and vilify and vilify him for doing something which is in the best interest of the United States moving forward, even if it's not necessarily in the best interest when it comes to these midterm uh elections.
10:18
SPEAKER_10: And we'll certainly talk a bit about that with uh Andrew Langer when he joins us coming up at the bottom of the hour.
10:23
SPEAKER_10: So, uh details in a moment regarding British police yesterday, how five men arrested in the middle of the night near an airbase used by the United States during its uh war against Iran are being held on suspicion of preparing a terrorist attack that appeared to involve three trucks.
10:43
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna share with you some uh audio from Fox News when the news broke over the weekend, and then we'll get into the alpha news update from last week here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
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SPEAKER_41: Now to a Fox News Alert developing across the pond.
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SPEAKER_41: UK police say five men have been arrested near an airbase used by U.S.
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SPEAKER_41: forces and are being held on suspicion of preparing a terrorist attack.
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SPEAKER_41: Jeff Paul joins us now with what we know so far.
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SPEAKER_41: Good morning, Jeff.
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SPEAKER_09: Yeah, and Griff, we just got an update surrounding this major incident in the UK.
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SPEAKER_09: Police now say that five men have been arrested, suspected of committing offenses related to the country's Explosives Act.
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SPEAKER_09: We also know that counter-terrorism police have now taken over this investigation.
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SPEAKER_09: Now, all of this happening near the Royal Air Force's Fairford base, which is about a hundred miles west of London.
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SPEAKER_09: This base hosts a U.S.
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SPEAKER_09: Air Force squadron and has been used by American forces for limited strikes in the Iran War.
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SPEAKER_09: Local police say the Army Bomb Squad was called in to examine three different vans.
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SPEAKER_09: Some images appear to show bomb squad robots being used near those very vehicles.
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SPEAKER_10: London's Metropolitan Police.
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SPEAKER_10: As we continue with the breaking news from over the weekend, five men arrested near an airbase used by the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: in the Iran War, suspicion of preparing a terrorist attack.
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SPEAKER_10: They've been taking the lead on these terrorism activities, the Metropolitan Police.
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SPEAKER_10: I don't have a lot of faith in these fools.
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SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna share with you audio as to why I make that comment here in uh just a moment.
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SPEAKER_10: Right.
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SPEAKER_10: Uh they got a call at 12 45 a.m.
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SPEAKER_10: related to three suspicious vehicles that appear to be traveling toward the RAF Fairford uh airbase, a UK-owned base that's operated by the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: under an agreement dating back to the Cold War.
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SPEAKER_10: Fairford has been used by American bombers for strictly limited strikes against Iran under an agreement with a former uh British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer.
18:42
SPEAKER_10: As a matter of fact, I have some uh audio to share from Caroline Levitt and that podcast that she uh was on with Sean Hannity uh last week regarding Starmer.
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SPEAKER_10: Uh he voiced opposition to the war after it was launched by the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: and Israel back on February 28th.
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SPEAKER_10: The five men were initially arrested on suspicion of committing offenses under the Explosive Act.
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SPEAKER_10: Um, and this was in the Welford area, which backs on to RAF Fairford, which um hosts the headquarters of the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: Air Force's 501st Combat Support Wing and the 420th Air Base Squadron.
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SPEAKER_10: Now, police gave no details on the nationality of those arrested.
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SPEAKER_10: This uh the suspects arrested under the Terrorism Act of 2000 can be detained for 14 days without charge compared to the 24-hour limit for standard arrest without an application.
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SPEAKER_10: And the concern here, and the way the story may take a turn, is if these men turn out to um have arrived recently crossing the English Channel.
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SPEAKER_10: Things could get very interesting if the U.S.
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SPEAKER_10: decides that British immigration policy or a failure thereof is a threat to our own uh national security.
19:53
SPEAKER_10: To that point, here is a uh bit of the uh British law enforcement talking about their concern over not rushing to judgment regarding the background of these uh individuals.
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SPEAKER_10: Do not speculate after essentially what everybody assumes was five Muslims attempting to go and carry out this attack.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I'm from the the local force, so I'm from Gloucestershire in Snadbury, just to just to make that clear.
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SPEAKER_01: So at around one uh 12.45 a.m.
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SPEAKER_01: today, Sunday the 27th of September, police received a call relating to three suspicious vehicles travelling towards REF Fairford.
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SPEAKER_01: Armed officers responded and subsequently arrested five men in the Welford area on suspicion of committing offences under the Explosives Act.
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SPEAKER_01: The men were taken into custody where they remain.
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SPEAKER_01: A 400-metre cordon has been put in place around the vehicles while the Army's explosive ordnance disposal unit examine them.
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SPEAKER_01: As a precaution, around 85 households have been advised to evacuate while these examinations take place.
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SPEAKER_01: A nearby leisure centre has been opened for those who are unable to stay with family or friends.
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SPEAKER_01: The emergency services have well-rehearsed plans for dealing with major incidents such as this.
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SPEAKER_01: Work to establish the full nature of this incident is ongoing, and we are in constant communication with our partners both locally and nationally.
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SPEAKER_01: In particular, we are working closely with our partners in counter-terrorism policing.
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SPEAKER_01: Gloucester Police's focus at this time is on the local community, and I'd like to thank the residents who have left their homes this morning for their understanding and support.
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SPEAKER_01: We appreciate the disruption that this will have caused to both them and other local residents in the area, and would like to reassure them that we are working as quickly as we can to get them back into their properties.
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SPEAKER_01: We would also please ask the public not to speculate but to follow official channels for all updates.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_10: That's the blaster line for a voice or text message to the show.
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SPEAKER_10: We'll get to that in just a moment.
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SPEAKER_10: Also, we'll get the response of President Donald Trump here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
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SPEAKER_10: Let's start here, though, foe of the show, Mildred, up early once again, because she just can't quit me.
22:16
SPEAKER_10: I'm telling you, I'm just that entertaining.
22:19
SPEAKER_10: The people that disagree with all my commentary listen more than most people do.
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SPEAKER_22: Okay, more than there for brains.
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SPEAKER_22: Ask me if I care about this failed terror plot.
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SPEAKER_10: I don't I don't Okay, then there's no point in me listening to the rest of your comments.
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SPEAKER_10: He goes off on a rant about P Tex Seth.
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SPEAKER_10: But if you don't care about this foiled terror plot, then I have no reason to play the rest of your commentary.
22:40
SPEAKER_10: You don't care about it, so why are you listening?
22:43
SPEAKER_10: I'm glad that you do, make no mistake, but I can also afford to lose you as well.
22:48
SPEAKER_10: So if you don't care about the fact that you had a group of individuals that were looking to go and murder our American servicemen and women, then you're just as big of an a-hole as I suspected that you were.
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SPEAKER_10: I and I make no apologies for that.
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SPEAKER_10: President Donald Trump, heat praise on those involved in the arrest.
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SPEAKER_10: Here's what he had to say.
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SPEAKER_10: Audio's a little hard to do.
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SPEAKER_34: Are you gonna pass the life for the arrest?
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SPEAKER_34: The arrest in the UK was fantastic.
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SPEAKER_34: Working with Britain, it was an amazing job.
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SPEAKER_34: We had them under investigation.
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SPEAKER_34: Uh they uh they were looking to do big damage to our fort.
23:28
SPEAKER_34: And working with the British worked out great.
23:30
SPEAKER_34: When they migrate, it may have been Scotland Yard, I don't know.
23:34
SPEAKER_34: We worked with a lot of them.
23:35
SPEAKER_34: We had them under view for a long time, and we got them.
23:38
SPEAKER_34: Thank you.
23:38
SPEAKER_05: When they migrate them.
23:43
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and the real tragedy here is what I mentioned before.
23:47
SPEAKER_10: And, you know, the the foe of the show a moment ago, uh, Mildred, uh, that echoes how the media handled this.
23:55
SPEAKER_10: The Trump arrangement syndrome gets in the way of any sort of common sense, common decency.
24:03
SPEAKER_10: Look, Fox News covered this as it as they should have.
24:07
SPEAKER_10: ABC CBS, NBC, CNN, as I mentioned, all the Sunday talk shows ignored it.
24:12
SPEAKER_10: Because they have the same mentality that jerks like FOTH Show Mildred have.
24:19
SPEAKER_10: If it if it goes and exposes how dangerous Iran is, if it exposes the also dangerous situation in Europe of the mass migration into the region where this thwarted terror attack almost took place, then they're just gonna downplay it.
24:40
SPEAKER_10: They're not gonna care, they're gonna dismiss it and show no cause of concern, like I said a moment ago, for our men and women serving in the armed forces oversee, you know, abroad.
24:54
SPEAKER_10: It doesn't matter to them.
24:56
SPEAKER_10: And really what it means is they don't care about our service men and women, regardless.
25:02
SPEAKER_10: All they care about is pushing back on Donald Trump.
25:04
SPEAKER_10: And this goes back to what I mentioned before: 44% of Democrats okay with violence to stop to stop Trump.
25:10
SPEAKER_10: The University of Chicago study found that 25% of American adults, including 44% of Democrats, support using force to prevent Donald Trump uh from becoming the president.
25:26
SPEAKER_10: It's because of foes of the show, like you heard a moment ago.
25:29
SPEAKER_10: British security officials say proxies uh linked to Iran have been uh behind a string of arson and sabotage attempts in the UK and other countries, many of them targeting the Jewish community.
25:40
SPEAKER_10: Previously, they've warned that Tehran would expand its targets into the UK if the conflicts in the Middle East continue.
25:46
SPEAKER_10: I question whether or not we'll get the truth out of the British authorities, to be honest with you, and I trust that our Americans on the ground uh will be able to share with us the truth of the background of these uh potential terrorists as soon as they have it.
26:02
SPEAKER_10: The arrests come in a time of the heightened tensions around the threat of hostilities to states in the UK with Russia and Iran among those who have used proxies to commit crimes on their behalf on British soil.
26:15
SPEAKER_10: As a matter of fact, I want to share with you some British uh television commentary.
26:18
SPEAKER_10: This British TV host snapped on air regarding the UK government ignoring the clear links between mass migration and terrorism, which, as I mentioned, is a reason why you're seeing this mentality of the media ignoring this, and also when it comes to foes of the show, I don't care.
26:37
SPEAKER_10: I don't care if our servicemen were in danger.
26:39
SPEAKER_10: I gotta make Trump look bad.
26:41
SPEAKER_23: You're the defense minister.
26:43
SPEAKER_23: You are the defense minister, son.
26:45
SPEAKER_23: What are you doing about the small boat crossings, the terror cells, Islamism, the threat from Russia?
26:52
SPEAKER_23: Why is Israel sanctioned when they provide a lot of our intelligence reports for us?
26:56
SPEAKER_23: Why does the government uh seem to ignore warnings from agencies and former uh big beasts in intelligence to connect immigration with the security threat?
27:08
SPEAKER_23: Because I'm I would take a little guess here, right?
27:12
SPEAKER_23: Let me teach you a thing or two, in case you don't get it yet.
27:16
SPEAKER_23: I would imagine the order that gone down the effort that people could done it from the cave into the country from some more electrons.
28:23
SPEAKER_23: People who are used out weapons, a great jet, bust them in the legally, and on a boat, and sometimes they use private jets.
28:32
SPEAKER_23: They're still getting in the back of the eyes.
28:34
SPEAKER_23: And perhaps, therefore, some of these people you give smartphones to and teach how to make little balloon animals, and you're encouraged to see come by and hand out the old rape pamphlet.
28:44
SPEAKER_23: Perhaps some of these people might be terrorists.
28:47
SPEAKER_10: Perhaps let me pause this.
28:49
SPEAKER_10: There's a little bit more to share of this woman.
28:51
SPEAKER_10: First off, I agree with the uh text that just rolled in.
28:55
SPEAKER_10: Um, I really love this woman.
28:57
SPEAKER_10: I do too.
29:00
SPEAKER_10: And I was watching some commentary over the weekend, and they made a really, really good point.
29:06
SPEAKER_10: America is such an amazing country to a fault.
29:11
SPEAKER_10: Like what's happening here in the United States, especially when it comes to the rise of communism, the Democrat socialists, those that are aligned with radical jihad.
29:24
SPEAKER_10: Let's just go there.
29:26
SPEAKER_10: Those that would want to see Sharia law put into place here in the United States versus what the Founding Fathers intended.
29:34
SPEAKER_10: This would never fly in most other countries.
29:38
SPEAKER_10: Most other countries would force the assimilation of individuals when they come into their country.
29:43
SPEAKER_10: No, we're so great to a fault.
29:47
SPEAKER_10: The message also said England is almost unrecognizable now, uh, just like the mall of America, and they make uh tragically a really good point.
29:57
SPEAKER_46: The thugs in Nazi Germany in the 1940s, 1930s, they okayed the use of violence against their opponents.
30:07
SPEAKER_46: So you left us.
30:09
SPEAKER_46: That's who you're in company with, the Nazi thugs.
30:12
SPEAKER_23: Perhaps you should state publicly that the risk for these people breaking into our nation is a security one.
30:20
SPEAKER_23: And get real.
30:22
SPEAKER_23: This has been going on too long.
30:24
SPEAKER_23: I'm afraid, actually, at this point, it's probably too late.
30:28
SPEAKER_23: Because they're all doing that.
30:33
SPEAKER_23: We need to have you today.
30:36
SPEAKER_23: Security several secrets.
30:51
SPEAKER_23: Do your job into technical.
30:58
SPEAKER_23: Thank you for saving us again.
31:00
SPEAKER_23: What are you gonna do about it?
31:02
SPEAKER_23: But stops with you, Defence Secretary.
31:04
SPEAKER_23: I want to hear a concrete plan, and I want to hear you say, admit that people coming into the country illegally are a security risk, and then do something about it.
31:17
SPEAKER_10: God, I wish we had more of that in our mainstream media here in the United States.
31:22
SPEAKER_10: Uh, the the funnies aside to that audio that I just shared with you is uh that she had another guest on the show, and they were just kind of sitting back, just watching her stunned at the uh at the ranting.
31:36
SPEAKER_10: It was really, really incredible.
31:39
SPEAKER_10: Uh, let me go back to this.
31:41
SPEAKER_10: I played a couple of clips from it.
31:42
SPEAKER_10: And if you haven't had the opportunity, it really is a great interview.
31:45
SPEAKER_10: Uh Hannity's uh hangout, this is a podcast that he does, talking with the former White House uh uh press secretary, Caroline Levitt, specifically uh getting into uh President Donald Trump when he was in the UK, began going off on Keir Starmer about the importing of mass third worlders right to his face.
32:06
SPEAKER_10: Here's what uh Caroline Levitt had to say with Handy.
32:08
SPEAKER_32: Windsor Castle.
32:10
SPEAKER_32: I don't remember exactly where we were.
32:13
SPEAKER_32: Maybe we were at where Keir Starmer lived.
32:16
SPEAKER_32: Um but we were in the UK.
32:17
SPEAKER_32: Actually, it was a year ago today.
32:19
SPEAKER_32: My memories popped up on my phone.
32:20
SPEAKER_32: We were in the UK, and I sat in on a lunch with the president in Starmer.
32:24
SPEAKER_32: Uh, and we're sitting around the table and we're all enjoying lunch, and we're in this beautiful place.
32:29
SPEAKER_32: And um president just starts ripping into him for his policies.
32:33
SPEAKER_32: He's like, Your policies here are so stupid.
32:36
SPEAKER_32: You need to close your borders.
32:37
SPEAKER_11: So is it just like that?
32:38
SPEAKER_32: Oh, yeah.
32:38
SPEAKER_32: You need to deport these people you have in your country.
32:42
SPEAKER_32: You know, I know your country, I know your people, they hate what you're doing, and you need to Starmer's just sitting there.
32:49
SPEAKER_11: Watching this, do you find it entertaining?
32:50
SPEAKER_32: And this is in his house, in his country.
32:53
SPEAKER_32: We're not even at the White House.
32:54
SPEAKER_32: Like, we're not even on our own territory, and he's just Do you find it entertaining?
32:58
SPEAKER_32: Of course.
32:59
SPEAKER_11: You do.
32:59
SPEAKER_32: I remember Stephen Miller and I looking at each other like, oh boy, here we go.
33:03
SPEAKER_32: Yeah.
33:04
SPEAKER_32: Fun times.
33:06
SPEAKER_11: Um back to the situation room.
33:08
SPEAKER_11: You're watching bombs, like in the case of Midnight Hammer, 14 what was it, 14 bunker buster bombs?
33:17
SPEAKER_11: Wow.
33:18
SPEAKER_11: You saw all that?
33:19
SPEAKER_32: Yeah.
33:20
SPEAKER_11: In real time?
33:21
SPEAKER_32: Yes.
33:22
SPEAKER_11: And you you hear over some communication confirming the target's hit.
33:28
SPEAKER_32: Yes.
33:29
SPEAKER_32: And there's a big sense of relief.
33:31
SPEAKER_32: How are you gonna Again?
33:34
SPEAKER_10: That was uh Caroline Levitt on uh the hangout with uh Sean Hannity had a comment that came in.
33:39
SPEAKER_10: Uh when that news anchor called the people Muppets, uh, I love that British term.
33:44
SPEAKER_10: We should we need to make it more popular.
33:46
SPEAKER_10: These people with their heads in the sand are uh are Muppets.
33:50
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that is uh that was pretty funny.
33:52
SPEAKER_10: All right, Andrew Langer, president of the uh Institute for Liberty.
33:56
SPEAKER_10: He's gonna join us here in uh just a moment.
33:58
SPEAKER_10: We'll get his thoughts on these five men arrested near the base used by the U.S.
34:02
SPEAKER_10: and the Iran war in the uh UK and whether or not we're gonna end up seeing this crossing of the streams, if you will, of immigration relating to the story.
34:12
SPEAKER_10: I think a lot of it depends on the background of the individuals uh who were involved in the thwarted uh terror attack.
34:19
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36:21
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37:13
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37:16
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37:21
SPEAKER_10: Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty.
37:23
SPEAKER_10: I hope you had a good weekend, my friend.
37:25
SPEAKER_10: Good to see you this morning.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, pretty, pretty good, John.
37:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, the the large largely uh largely uh uneventful, which is always a good thing.
37:33
SPEAKER_10: This um thwarted terror attack uh in the UK, there's a couple of interesting angles on it.
37:39
SPEAKER_10: Uh you have obviously the details in and of itself, right?
37:43
SPEAKER_10: And we're still waiting to find out whether or not these individuals were backed by Iran.
37:48
SPEAKER_10: That seems to be the speculation, although we don't have any confirmation of that at this point in time.
37:52
SPEAKER_10: But the other part of it, too, is you know, as demonstrated by the foe of the show, Mildred, earlier, who straight up says, I don't care about this hoarded terror attack, the fact that ABC, CBS, NBC, all the Sunday talk shows ignored the story altogether.
38:06
SPEAKER_10: And Andrew, I can't help um but believe that's the case because if this indeed was almost carried out by individuals crossing the English Channel, if this ends up being a story wherein our own national security interests are impacted by the mass migration issues that the UK is dealing with right now, um, you know, you have that that Venn diagram suddenly has fewer circles, all leading back to what we're what we're doing right now in the Middle East.
38:34
SPEAKER_10: Uh, your thoughts on on what was uh what happened over the weekend?
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Well, right.
38:38
SPEAKER_02: So so not knowing uh whether or not these these guys were, I'm gonna say homegrown, and I don't mean that in the traditional sense of the word, right?
38:45
SPEAKER_02: You know, I but but let's say that these guys were not uh folks who'd crossed the channel very recently and were acting as agents there, but but were instead uh some kind of um uh uh outcropping of the the various Islamist communities that have uh taken root in in Great Britain.
39:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, that at the end of the day, Britain has a very serious problem that other nations reckon with in terms of this kind of mass migration, right?
39:14
SPEAKER_02: One of the things we talk about is sort of national identity and what it means.
39:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, what does it mean when someone comes here and comes to the United States and says they want to be an American?
39:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, it it used to mean that they wanted to sort of accept the principles of self-reliance and they accepted the principles of all people being created equal, uh, with the the the concept of inalienable rights.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, but when you have folks who are uh allowed to not just migrate but settle here, who have widely different uh viewpoints on the relationship of people to their government, um the more people you allow in who don't have that uh that same devotion to the principles upon which this nation was founded, uh the worse off that nation is going to be down the road.
40:01
SPEAKER_02: And so with Great Britain, you have this clash uh between what was traditionally uh uh British uh and and the you know the the the the concept of uh natural rights in England um combined with folks who have been allowed to migrate there and take hold and fundamentally change the political, let me make this really clear, the political culture of that nation, um that is gonna have huge ramifications for decades to come.
40:33
SPEAKER_10: Well, and I can't help but feel that also the the lack of um the lack of commentary from majority of our mainstream media uh is also directly tied to the midterm elections coming up.
40:46
SPEAKER_10: I mean, when you look at the number of candidates who are you know aligned with the DSA, but also aligned religiously with the same, you know, uh groups that would potentially you know be inspired to carry out these types of attacks.
41:00
SPEAKER_10: We've seen, as you mentioned, what's happened with leadership in the UK, something very similar could happen here in the U.S.
41:06
SPEAKER_10: and is poised to happen.
41:07
SPEAKER_10: Well, I mean, look, it has happened.
41:08
SPEAKER_10: We look at what's going on in Dearborn, Michigan for crying out loud.
41:12
SPEAKER_10: And we already see the examples of what's happened in the UK when this has taken place.
41:17
SPEAKER_10: And I wonder if the media ignoring this is again more of that just that extension of, well, you know what, if we talk about it, this could harm Democrats.
41:24
SPEAKER_10: We have the midterms coming up, so let's just be hands-off right now.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: You know, I know we're gonna we're gonna talk about this uh the story you covered last week about the uh LGBTQIA bar in Massachusetts, but you know, that is a situation that is as a direct, you know, is a direct result of us not wanting to have a frank and honest discussion about craziness and folks, you know, either affirmatively saying the media saying, well, we're not gonna cover this because we want to be genteel and we accept that, you know, all philosophies, uh, no matter how uh insane they might appear to us, well, we're going to just accept them uh on their face.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: And and and you know, that's that's what happens.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: No, the reality is um that yeah, the media doesn't want to cover the they don't want to cover the realities of birth tourism uh and what that does here.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: They don't want to cover the realities of what happens.
42:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's funny.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I'm gonna take it in a slightly different direction, John.
42:17
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
42:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, and and this may upset some more of your Maha viewers and listeners, but I have become increasingly concerned um about the not listen, it's okay to be a vaccine skeptic, and it's okay to want to choose what is best for your kids health-wise.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: But there is so much lack of science out there about, you know, immunization policies.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: You know, and you have these parents who are out there who are saying, well, if every other kid is immunized, um, I don't need to immunize my kids against measles, mumps, or rubella MMR.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't need to get that vaccine.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: The problem, of course, is when you have the Biden administration letting in um uh, you know, let's let's say it's not 11 million, let's say it's six million uh illegal immigrants from countries that don't vaccinate their kids.
43:11
SPEAKER_02: All of a sudden your kids are being put into classrooms with kids who are not only not uh uh immunized against measles, mumps, or rubella, but maybe actively carrying measles, mumps, or rubella.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: And so your kid is now all of a sudden vulnerable because of some uh uh uh idiotic uh border control policy of a democratic administration.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: And so there are real-world public health ramifications uh that are out there from the Biden administration that then parents who may want to protect their kids uh against vaccines that they may not think are necessary nevertheless have to take the steps to protect their kids.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: Um and so these policies have consequences uh that go far beyond.
43:56
SPEAKER_02: As I've said in the past, I haven't said in a long time on this show.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: The most well-intentioned policies eventually bump up against very real realities.
44:05
SPEAKER_02: So whether it is because you uh you want to uh let in uh the huddle masses from El Salvador into the United States, or whether you're not you want to allow mass migration from North Africa or from the Middle East into your nation, in the case of Great Britain or the EU generally, these policies have consequences that we have to address.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: And you're seeing it right now in Great Britain with regards to this terror attack.
44:30
SPEAKER_10: Well, and and uh I don't want to go too broad here.
44:33
SPEAKER_10: You touched upon something right at the at the beginning of your of your commentary, and it's something that I hit on the show all the time, that I hit upon on the show all the time.
44:40
SPEAKER_10: And to me, it's one of the biggest uh problems that we have just with our political discourse, societal discourse, and it's that having the conversation.
44:48
SPEAKER_10: We're not allowed to have the right conversations.
44:51
SPEAKER_10: The baseline for our media locally to nationally, you know, it's not what's in the best interest of our state, what's in the best interest of our country, so that we remain, you know, the strongest we can possibly be.
45:04
SPEAKER_10: It's so rooted in politics that you're right.
45:06
SPEAKER_10: When it comes to something, for example, like the vaccines, yeah.
45:09
SPEAKER_10: Right, there is now this there's this crossing of the streams between what happened with COVID, the vaccine commentary, what we know about it now, and that has now permeated into the stereotypes regarding all vaccines and immunizations.
45:26
SPEAKER_10: And you're right.
45:27
SPEAKER_10: We are not allowed to have the conversations that go and differentiate between the two.
45:32
SPEAKER_10: The sides must be chosen, you must land on one or the other, and there is no conversation about the middle that exists, and that middle part is what's most important.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: A hundred percent.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: And and keep in mind, you know, it's so funny, because this issue of the media and what they're reporting, or more to the point, what they don't report, the conversations they're not allowing us to have.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh, there was a uh a journalist named Arno Deborshkov who wrote a book, I want to say 40 years ago called The Spike.
45:57
SPEAKER_02: And Grover Norquist is the person who hit me to this many, many years ago.
46:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and it is about stories that are specifically not getting reported in the media as a way of manipulating the public mindset, right?
46:09
SPEAKER_02: What you report and how you reported uh is just as important as what isn't reported, or vice versa.
46:14
SPEAKER_02: What isn't reported by the press is just as important as the stories that are chosen and the perspective that uh those are given.
46:22
SPEAKER_10: Let's get into this uh story.
46:24
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna revisit it because it's not gone away.
46:26
SPEAKER_10: We talked about it last week a bit.
46:28
SPEAKER_10: Uh the controversy that's ensued after the last ditch of bar and arts venue announced that it was changing to a mask optional venue for their busiest night uh Saturday night, right?
46:41
SPEAKER_10: This uh Massachusetts lesbian bar.
46:43
SPEAKER_10: So they immediately faced pushback saying that they were putting in danger the immunos compromised.
46:50
SPEAKER_10: And then when they even went to go and have a discussion on Instagram, they got chastised because the Instagram discussion wasn't catering to individuals who were who were blind.
47:01
SPEAKER_10: I mean, it was this cascade of of woke uh beliefs and ideology that now has just ensued in this bar, which is probably never going to recover.
47:11
SPEAKER_10: Right.
47:11
SPEAKER_10: Uh for for dare they go and remove.
47:13
SPEAKER_10: It was the I mean it was the removal of a mask mandate.
47:16
SPEAKER_10: You could you and I could still well, maybe you and I, but you and I could still go there and wear a mask if we wanted to.
47:21
SPEAKER_10: Sure.
47:21
SPEAKER_10: But that wasn't enough.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: That wasn't enough for the Patriots.
47:24
SPEAKER_02: John, who's to who's to say that you and I are not uh uh he, him lesbians?
47:28
SPEAKER_02: I uh you know, which is uh That's right.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: I I I you know it's so funny because we got a uh we got a uh um a scam call on our home line last week, and and the the person was asking for my wife, and and I I said, well, I'm I'm you know, my my wife, I use my wife's name, and the and the the person on the other end said, No, you're a man.
47:47
SPEAKER_02: I said, How are how are you?
47:48
SPEAKER_02: How dare you assume my my gender by based on this phone call.
47:52
SPEAKER_02: But this is this underscores this the story underscores the problem uh of having a a sliding scale of reality and the ability the of constantly shifting the goalposts as to what is right and what is acceptable, right?
48:09
SPEAKER_02: There is there the the this bar will never recover because they can't make a simple apology as though they had something to apologize for, right?
48:18
SPEAKER_02: Because at the end of the day, they were simply saying one day a week, you can still wear a mask if you want, um, but but we're gonna make masks optional.
48:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh for making that you know grievous sin.
48:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh, there's no way for the bar to apologize.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: And I my heart goes out to the uh the person.
48:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if this person identifies as a man or a woman who is the current owner owner of the bar.
48:43
SPEAKER_02: Because remember, John, there were three partners, they were all roommates.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: Two have since left the enterprise, one to go to clown school, um, and and have left this one person, poor person settled with the the$50,000 in debt that they took out to open up the restaurant or the bar.
49:01
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's just it.
49:03
SPEAKER_02: This is someone who is part of the tribe, um, and someone who was just but but who is faced with the conflict of I'm a part of the tribe, I am engaging in a business that is to better and support the tribe, uh, and yet it's still a business over here.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: And when I make a decision that is the slightest of decisions that deviates from what the rest of the tribe wants, um, there is no acceptable way of genuflecting or asking for forgiveness.
49:32
SPEAKER_02: And that's what happens when you have a constantly changing set of standards that whoever is sort of keeping score uh can change it.
49:42
SPEAKER_02: Whim.
49:42
SPEAKER_02: It's Kafka-esque.
49:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's Orwellian.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's Kafkawellian, I don't know.
49:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh or Orwell, well, Orwell-esque is a right word.
49:50
SPEAKER_02: But but at the end, at the end of the day, I mean, literally, you could not make up an absurdist comedy that would be more ridiculous than this, I don't think.
50:01
SPEAKER_10: Well, I think you when you said, you know, she that they committed, she committed a sin, I think you hit the nail on the head.
50:07
SPEAKER_10: It's as a religion for the individuals that are upset that they dropped this mask mandate.
50:13
SPEAKER_10: The whole rationale behind the mandate in the first place is irrelevant.
50:18
SPEAKER_10: The whole part of it is irrelevant.
50:21
SPEAKER_10: It's it is uh it is I'm gonna use a reference again.
50:25
SPEAKER_10: It is Kramer, it is the latter seasons when they're doing the charity walk and he doesn't want to wear the ribbon.
50:32
SPEAKER_10: That's what this is.
50:33
SPEAKER_10: It's a religious to it's a religion uh to them.
50:36
SPEAKER_10: And we we can go full circle on this, Andrew Langer.
50:38
SPEAKER_10: The conversations that we should be having.
50:41
SPEAKER_10: We should be having those conversations about how so much of what we're talking about, and I think this rings true when it comes to things with the Maha movement.
50:48
SPEAKER_10: I don't want to, you know, vilify it to the point we're saying it's a religion, but there is a religion, there is that sort of religious aspect to it of belief and what it means politically that goes beyond the actual science of you know what they're supposed to be accomplishing.
51:06
SPEAKER_02: You know, I I I was hesitating to say there's a big Maha summit in DC tomorrow, and I applied for uh press credentials because you know I I I you know I work for a a news outlet called the Washington Signal, um, and I do a weekly public policy show, and my my my credentials, John, were were rejected.
51:25
SPEAKER_02: I found that on Friday.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: Oh no, oh no, yeah, which which at one point I was how much do I want to push this?
51:35
SPEAKER_02: And then I say, you know something?
51:36
SPEAKER_02: The the juice ain't literally as as I'm sure RFK uh to quote the great Jay Kordich, the the juice man, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah.
51:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh but but that but that should tell you something.
51:48
SPEAKER_02: It tells you all you need to know is that, you know, I I I am obviously more mega than I'm not.
51:56
SPEAKER_02: Um I sure but the the Maha Summit said I wasn't I wasn't uh they weren't gonna accept me as any credit journals, which is fine.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm not identified.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: I just I just bring it up because obviously I don't I don't tow the line on all of the orthodoxy.
52:12
SPEAKER_02: Um and I believe in science and I believe that it's science and and not you know pseudoscience that is going to solve the world's great health problems.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: Um but that's just me, you know, the son of an epidemiologist and a research scientist.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, God forbid.
52:26
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's almost like remember, remember, uh two references I'm gonna make, John.
52:30
SPEAKER_02: First of all, on the on the bar, um you can't find PCU streaming anywhere, which predict is.
52:36
SPEAKER_02: And yes, I've got Bodhi in my in my lap here, my my new puppy.
52:39
SPEAKER_02: Um but but also um um the the hierarchy there.
52:45
SPEAKER_02: Now I forgot where I was going with this with the second reference.
52:47
SPEAKER_10: We had two references.
52:48
SPEAKER_10: One of them was PCU.
52:49
SPEAKER_10: I don't know what to do.
52:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't remember what the second one was.
52:51
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, it doesn't really matter.
52:52
SPEAKER_02: It's uh it'll come back to me after the show.
52:54
SPEAKER_02: But um, but yeah, so it's it really is uh this this uh the the absurdities that are out there.
53:00
SPEAKER_10: Well, and and you know, you mentioned you believe the science, but even that phrase in and of itself, well, there's nothing wrong with it, and there's nothing wrong with believing the science.
53:08
SPEAKER_10: That phrase is now politically loaded.
53:10
SPEAKER_10: When you say believe the science, it is immediately aligned with with the left, going back to COVID, wherein, yeah, you should believe the science.
53:19
SPEAKER_10: But not in the way that the left was using the terminology.
53:23
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, absolutely.
53:24
SPEAKER_02: You know, it it the other reference was V, because remember the original uh V movie and V the series, it was all about vilifying scientists and the in the as for them the the proxy for for for the Jews and the Holocaust, it was the vilification of the scientists who were able, you know, who were able to see and sort of expose the conspiracy that was out there.
53:41
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying that all scientists are perfect.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I you know something, John?
53:45
SPEAKER_02: I do want to I do want to tease something.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: Um because uh you know, in addition to my own podcast this week, uh um, which is tax policy, I I I interviewed Joe Bishop Henchman from National Taxpayers Union Foundation.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: But um a couple weeks ago I did a conference put on by Real Clear Health uh called The Future of Public Health.
54:06
SPEAKER_02: And I did a panel on pharmaceutical policy.
54:09
SPEAKER_02: But I urge folks to go and look at this because Dr.
54:11
SPEAKER_02: Robert Redfield, uh, who was the head of the CDC and roundly vilified by the left and basically had to leave his job during COVID because he dared to talk about the um the lab origins of the COVID-19 virus and the and the medical ethics that are at work with gain of function research.
54:30
SPEAKER_02: It is really worth going and watching this, hearing what Dr.
54:36
SPEAKER_02: Redfield has to say uh about where we've gone wrong and the questions that maybe we shouldn't be asking in terms of science and the relationship between ethics and science.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: So I I urge folks to go and take a look at it.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: It's it's the real clear health future of public health conference.
54:52
SPEAKER_02: It was uh early September.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: It's it's well worth it.
54:56
SPEAKER_10: Andrew Langer, before I uh let you go, I have a couple of recommendations for you.
55:00
SPEAKER_10: First, regarding your uh your puppy, uh Bodie, uh I went and saw Heart of the Beast over the weekend.
55:06
SPEAKER_10: Want to see it.
55:07
SPEAKER_10: Really, really enjoyable uh movie.
55:10
SPEAKER_10: We had renamed it in our household, uh Hope the Dog Doesn't Die.
55:13
SPEAKER_10: So that's how we had a that's how we had referred to it.
55:16
SPEAKER_10: Sure.
55:16
SPEAKER_10: Uh but no, really, uh really enjoyed it.
55:19
SPEAKER_10: And then the other one, uh in a in an odd recommendation, but Melinda and I watched it over the weekend, and it very much played like a throwback to the Adam Sandler films, but it was Nate Bargazzi's uh breadwinner.
55:31
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
55:32
SPEAKER_10: All right.
55:32
SPEAKER_10: And being uh you know, being uh being a man with uh with a with who can relate to what it's like to raise a daughter.
55:40
SPEAKER_02: Oh yes.
55:40
SPEAKER_10: Uh you will certainly you will certainly uh appreciate uh breadwinner.
55:44
SPEAKER_10: If you like any of Nate Bargazzi's comedy, uh I was I was driving my family nuts because I was chuckling at it.
55:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking forward to the Norm McDonald documentary that's coming out in a few weeks.
55:55
SPEAKER_02: Um that that's that's just it's and uh and the uh Gene Wilder documentary coming out.
56:00
SPEAKER_02: And we were supposed to go see, uh, we thought it was gonna be on video, we're waiting for it to come out on video.
56:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh there is a documentary about the 1970s.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: I this is gonna sound very obscure, but stick with me for a second.
56:09
SPEAKER_02: The 1972 uh Toronto, Canada production of Godspell.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: And and basically it had the no, no, no, it I know it's weird, but it had this all-star cast.
56:19
SPEAKER_02: It was it was Eugene Levy, it was Martin Short, uh, it was Gilda Radner, um, uh it was just this outstanding uh Victor Garber.
56:28
SPEAKER_02: That was where he got his start.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: And and you can sort of see the direct connections between this and essentially modern uh modern sketch comedy.
56:37
SPEAKER_02: So I we're we were looking forward to seeing that.
56:39
SPEAKER_02: Uh we're waiting for it to come out uh on home video.
56:42
SPEAKER_10: Well, our uh our former staffer here, the marketing director and uh Freedom Friday friend of the show, uh Grace Keating had texted me.
56:50
SPEAKER_10: I shared, I shared with you the text, and she was at an event for her new job, and she goes, I think I ran into Andrew Langer.
56:56
SPEAKER_10: I think I maybe even talked to him, but didn't know who didn't know this is who I think combinations.
57:01
SPEAKER_02: You know, so quick 10 seconds on this.
57:04
SPEAKER_02: The the CEI dinner, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, uh annual dinner is always the best.
57:09
SPEAKER_02: It's the first of all, it's the only it's the only gala dinner that I'm literally excited to go to every year.
57:13
SPEAKER_02: Um it's always fun, it's always great to be surrounded by everybody that I I know and work with and love and respect.
57:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh always great conversations.
57:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I was sitting with uh uh uh I'm gonna name drop here, uh Veronique DeRougy, who's uh an economics scholar at uh the Mercatus Center at George Mason University.
57:32
SPEAKER_02: And it's just you know, you always just have these terrific conversations about you know what's going on in the world, and and um yeah, always a good time at the CEI dinner.
57:42
SPEAKER_10: Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty.
57:44
SPEAKER_10: Great talking with you and uh Bodied this morning, my friend.
57:47
SPEAKER_10: And we'll uh do it again next week.
57:48
SPEAKER_10: Thank you, my friend.
57:48
SPEAKER_10: Talk to you later.
57:50
SPEAKER_10: Uh we did have some uh blasts that rolled in in the middle of my conversation with Andrew.
57:56
SPEAKER_30: Hey Andrew, all contrary, they knew exactly what they were doing when they let in all those people that were sick and yeah, measles and monks and all that stuff from this country, TV to replace it.
59:17
SPEAKER_10: And as we head into the second hour of the show for a Monday, let's get you caught up on some of the stories you might have missed heading into the weekend as we get ready to share with you further details.
59:28
SPEAKER_10: On the St.
59:29
SPEAKER_10: Paul Police chief lawsuit says Mayor Cooley Herr overstepped boundaries beyond sexual harassment.
59:36
SPEAKER_10: We'll work off the version from the uh Pioneer Press.
59:39
SPEAKER_10: But first, here is your uh news update on courtesy of Liz Collin and uh Alpha News here on the John Justice Show presented by America.
59:46
SPEAKER_45: Here's some of the top stories this week at Alpha News.
59:49
SPEAKER_45: The St.
59:49
SPEAKER_45: Paul police chief has sued Mayor Kaylee Herr, alleging sexual harassment and retaliation.
59:55
SPEAKER_45: The 73-page lawsuit alleges her twice touched Chief Axel Henry's upper thigh, referred to herself as a MILF, made sexually suggestive remarks, and created altered photos.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_45: The lawsuit comes after the city released a two-page summary of its investigation that claimed allegations of sexual harassment and retaliation were not substantiated.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_45: The chief's attorney, Chris Maddle, called the summary a quote, sanitized, self-serving whitewash, and said these people spent years insisting there is zero tolerance for sexual harassment until it becomes inconvenient, Maddal told Alpha News.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_45: Sources have confirmed Alpha News and CrimeWatch that Somali gangs are responsible for a drive-by shooting near the Candy Ohio County fairgrounds in Wilmer that left two dead.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_45: Dispatch audio indicated 30 shots were fired.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_45: And in Edina, shots were fired on a church campus basketball court in the latest string of violent incidents there.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_45: Officials at Our Lady of Grace said they've had issues with individuals using their private property without permission.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_45: Bystanders provided information to CrimeWatch Tuesday nights saying that a number of Somali individuals were present and that car windows were shattered by gunfire in the parking lot.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_45: And on the podcast, a former park board member exposes the out-of-control, unlicensed food vendor problem in Minneapolis.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_45: Alpha News obtained pictures and video around Powderhorn Park showing grease being dumped into the stormwater system, deep fryers hooked up to vehicles, and trash left behind, along with much more.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_45: Becca Thompson offered the behind-the-scenes look at Sanctuary City economies.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_45: You can see that full interview on our YouTube channel.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_45: For more news you won't see anywhere else, be sure to head to alpha news.org.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_10: You can email John.justice at American Experiment.org.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_10: Also leave us a voice or text message by calling the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_10: The media is doing their uh local media, specifically the Star Tribune, uh, they're doing their best job to offer up excuses for uh Mayor Cooley Her in these uh ongoing investigations.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_10: I want to share with you uh the latest, where it actually extends beyond her and the sexual abuse allegations and gets into actual policy.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_10: But there's a sort of a crossing here that's taking place uh between the allegations and how her has been conducting herself as the St.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_10: I was gonna come up, you know, I was gonna just call start calling her horny.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_10: Because the her part of it and referencing the last name is always difficult, but I don't really want to be saying that over and over again uh either.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_10: But let's go ahead and dive into um uh some of the details here.
1:03:08
SPEAKER_10: While the harassment allegations are attention grabbing, and we certainly have gotten into this last week on the on the show.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_10: The lawsuit also describes the backdrop into her's interactions with the department since she became mayor, working conditions after Henry made a sexual harassment complaint and other apparent power struggles, including um the St.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor bringing up that the fire union endorsed her mayoral campaign while the police union did not, and how doing that thing with my fingers, she allegedly said, You're going to need to be extra nice to me.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_10: The Saint Paul mayor and an assistant mayor said that they could override Henry's personal decisions, which he disputes, and also the police chief saying he learned that the St.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor requested and was being provided confidential law enforcement information.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_10: You know, you back up uh uh further in the story.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_10: And the question that I have is and I know the answer, but it's like why why hasn't she resigned?
1:04:17
SPEAKER_10: In 99% of the circumstances surrounding this level of controversy, the allegations, including and more specifically, the St.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_10: Paul report, the internal report that was done, that basically said that she engaged in offensive and inappropriate behavior.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_10: But then it stopped short of anything other than that, so they didn't take any sort of corrective measures beyond I think she has to do some counseling, and I think this is in the story.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_10: I mean, all of this should be controversial enough where she should be have to she should be forced to resign.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_10: But she has DFL armor.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_10: She has Democrat armor.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_10: And it's not just Democrat armor either.
1:05:04
SPEAKER_10: Usually what happens is you have such public outrage because the public looks at the situation and goes, This, regardless of you know whether or not some of the details of these allegations are being overblown, the controversy in and of itself makes her ineffective to serve as mayor, and therefore the public would be demanding that she step down.
1:05:32
SPEAKER_10: But the left has done such a good job when it comes to the divisions between left and right, of vilifying people on the right and giving a free pass to those on the left, that even in the midst of all of this, the public's like, yeah, whatever.
1:05:49
SPEAKER_10: I don't care.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_10: You know, she checks the boxes for the left.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_10: She's a woman, she's a minority, and she's lined with Democrats.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_10: That is enough.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_10: For the voters in St.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_10: Paul to essentially not give a rip about the fact that would appear this woman just as a as at a minimum is way too juvenile to be serving in the position of a mayor of a metropolitan area.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_10: The outside investigation of her, as I mentioned, did not substantiate the allegations that she engaged in sexual harassment of any city employee, but found that she did engage in offensive and inappropriate behavior.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_10: And this was that that was the September 18th summary that was released by the mayor's office.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_10: And all that means is they found an out for the St.
1:06:43
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_10: To say that, yeah, she acted inappropriately, but we can't substantiate specific claims toward any one particular employee, and therefore our hands are, you know what, are kind of tied over whether or not we can do anything else.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_10: Which is obviously why the St.
1:07:00
SPEAKER_10: Paul police chief has moved forward with his uh lawsuit.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_10: So the St.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor was elected in November, over incumbent mayor Melvin Carter, who has to be sitting back laughing at all this, right?
1:07:11
SPEAKER_10: So in January, she brought up that Henry, uh, she brought up to Henry that the police department had not endorsed her campaign.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_10: Henry's attorney, Chris Maddle, wrote in the lawsuit.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_10: Henry responded that the police department could not endorse any candidate.
1:07:27
SPEAKER_10: He explained that the union, the police union, of which he's not a member, could endorse candidates, but had not endorsed anyone in the 2025 mayoral election.
1:07:36
SPEAKER_10: Now the lawsuit said that when her, the St.
1:07:39
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor, made the comment about the fire department whose union had endorsed her and the need for Henry to doing that thing with my fingers, be extra nice to me.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_10: This concerned the Chief Henry because now the inappropriate comments and advances that were chronicled before, of which she was found by the city investigation to have engaged in offensive and inappropriate uh behavior.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_10: Right now it's concerning because those advances are tied to the department's funding, including SPPD salaries, Mattel wrote.
1:08:15
SPEAKER_10: Chief Henry was also concerned because he didn't know what being nice to mayor her would actually entail.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_10: The lawsuit raised pay issues in late 2025.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_10: Then Mayor Carter agreed to give Chief Henry and his leadership a notable but modest pay raise with some back pay, according to the lawsuit.
1:08:36
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_10: Earlier this year, the Minnesota Public Employees Retirement Association notified the department's deputy, and this gets a little into the weeds, but just follow me here for just a moment.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_10: So the Minnesota Public Employees Retirement Association notified the department's deputy chiefs that the way the city made their back pay payments were incorrect and would negatively impact their pensions.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_10: They tried to point out the error to city staff who pushed back and communicated that they would not change the process.
1:09:09
SPEAKER_10: Now, when the St.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor asked Henry to meet him at a bar on a Saturday night in February, and we talked about this last week, Henry told the mayor at the meeting that the city had not processed the employees' back pay correctly, including his own.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_10: And it was now beginning to feel retaliatory because the deputy chiefs had chosen to organize and seek union representation.
1:09:32
SPEAKER_10: Mayor Herr responded that the city had addressed the issue, so Chief Henry asked why the back pay for the police department in St.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_10: Paul and the fire department were being paid differently, wrote Mattel.
1:09:45
SPEAKER_10: Mayor Her smiled, shrugged, and said she didn't know why it was happening.
1:09:51
SPEAKER_10: Chief Henry understood the gesture and the smile to mean that she did know, but she wasn't planning on doing anything about it.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_10: The woman's a child, according to the allegations.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_10: And my assessment of those allegations, of which they are just allegations.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_10: Just want to make sure we're crystal clear on all that.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_10: Chief Henry uh recalled the mayor's comments about the SPFD endorsement and him needing to be nice to the mayor.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_10: The same Paul uh mayor said Henry needed to make a choice to be her friend, be just an employee/slash colleague, or go.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_10: The lawsuit continued.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_10: Chief Henry understood that go meant resign.
1:10:36
SPEAKER_10: And again, if these allegations are true, there's a very clear narrative that's forming here.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_10: And as I mentioned, and that is cooley, her is way too immature to be in the position that she's in.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_10: And she demonstrated that in her time in the legislature, and especially when she was so open about not being a uh legal citizen.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_10: All right, I want to share with you here in just a moment on the show.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_10: So the Star Tribune is doing like a podcast now.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_10: I've seen some clips online.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_10: Um the Star Tribune podcast makes NPR sound like my show.
1:11:14
SPEAKER_10: Like that's like like if you thought NPR was dry and boring, wait until I share with you the audio from the Star Tribune podcast.
1:11:21
SPEAKER_10: Now, that being said, what's more interesting is what they're saying in this piece.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_10: Because in this, suddenly now it takes a turn, and they're trying to provide cover for the St.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor.
1:11:33
SPEAKER_10: Cover that nobody else would get if they were a Republican or if it were a man with the same allegations being put forward.
1:11:42
SPEAKER_10: Now, before I share that with you, let's go back to the blaster line 651-964-0294.
1:11:47
SPEAKER_31: Good morning, John Paul from Brooklyn Park.
1:11:49
SPEAKER_31: You're right on about uh Mayor Herney over there.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_31: Having DFL armor.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_31: She's just gonna they'll just let it go.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_31: But if a guy were to step in and go, hey, you know what?
1:12:01
SPEAKER_31: To make a point, I'm gonna act just exactly the same as her.
1:12:03
SPEAKER_31: I'm gonna do everything's the same level she did it.
1:12:07
SPEAKER_31: They'll fire them because they'll say, Well, you share one better because of what we went through with her.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_31: But they're not doing anything about it, so it would just prove your point.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_10: You're right on the money every day by oh, I like her.
1:12:20
SPEAKER_10: That's good.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_10: I like that.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_10: Thank you for that.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_10: Great comments nonetheless, but Mayor Herne.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's good.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_10: All right, let's go here.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_15: Hey John, Jerry Rolls on here.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_15: You know, the whole thing with horny her.
1:12:35
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1:13:12
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SPEAKER_36: Hi John, I work in a very liberal office and everyone in my office um is against our mayor her.
1:16:35
SPEAKER_36: They very much turned against her.
1:16:38
SPEAKER_36: I wonder what you thought.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_36: If you saw the lawsuit, what did you think about the part where they're mentioning Trump and Comey?
1:16:47
SPEAKER_36: A conversation that those two had.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_36: And comparing that with the conversation that the mayor had with the police chief, I thought that was sort of over the top, but I just wanted to get your opinion on that.
1:17:01
SPEAKER_36: Thank you.
1:17:01
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, it's completely irrelevant.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_10: It's completely irrelevant.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_10: As are the comments made by the reporters over at the Star Tribune in their recent podcast.
1:17:14
SPEAKER_10: And so I was, you know, going through and doing my prep and using X as I typically do when it comes to looking for audio for the uh for the show.
1:17:23
SPEAKER_10: And in this clip, um, again, Minnesota Star Tribune podcast, you're gonna hear Renee Jones, Schneider, and others talking about the inside, inside the allegations against St.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_10: Paul Mayor Cooley Herr.
1:17:37
SPEAKER_10: But look at what happens here.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_10: They end up immediately providing excuses.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_10: As if it's the culture in St.
1:17:45
SPEAKER_10: Paul surrounding the police and fire department that is inspiring the St.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor to act inappropriately.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_10: Listen to this.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_44: Josie, you reached out to Mayor Herr after the allegations came out regarding her behavior in the gym.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_44: And I know she got back to you and said this quote, the way this is being portrayed in the media does not reflect what I understood to be mutual communication.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_44: She went on, I am disappointed that I was invited and brought into their space and culture, and now this is the outcome.
1:18:19
SPEAKER_44: End quote.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_10: Okay, let me pause it here because they're gonna get into more details.
1:18:24
SPEAKER_10: So the thought is that, well, the police department and the individuals working in the police department, they all go and talk this way.
1:18:33
SPEAKER_10: So this is totally and completely acceptable behavior.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_10: And she just thought that she was hanging with the guys and she was just, you know, shooting the poop, if you will, and suddenly now she's being examined as being inappropriate.
1:18:50
SPEAKER_10: And yet with this investigation, there is no evidence of of any of that.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_10: They're gonna try to say, well, I've heard about this type of stuff, and I've I I've been told that this is the culture there.
1:19:02
SPEAKER_10: But this that's all just that's all just speculation.
1:19:05
SPEAKER_10: Nobody is making any claims, as far as I know, regarding the culture and inappropriate behavior as it relates to those men and women serving in the fire department or the police department over in St.
1:19:20
SPEAKER_10: Paul.
1:19:20
SPEAKER_10: But here's more of what they had to uh say.
1:19:22
SPEAKER_44: Aaron Ross Powell What is she talking about here?
1:19:23
SPEAKER_44: What do you know about the culture of the St.
1:19:26
SPEAKER_44: Paul Police Department?
1:19:27
SPEAKER_43: Aaron Powell So I think her her read on the culture seems to have been that it's a little bit more kind of broy, kind of jokey, a little fratty, I guess.
1:19:36
SPEAKER_43: Um, and that she's maybe trying to ingratiate herself into that culture.
1:19:41
SPEAKER_43: Um whether it lands, especially as someone who is outside the police department, you know, what what an outsider can sort of how how that translates a little bit difficult.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_44: It's like you can be mean to your sister, but anybody else is mean to your sister.
1:19:55
SPEAKER_44: It's not a problem.
1:19:55
SPEAKER_44: I'm like that.
1:19:56
SPEAKER_44: Interesting.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_44: What do we know about the St.
1:19:58
SPEAKER_44: Paul police, though?
1:19:59
SPEAKER_44: I mean, is their culture body sexualizing?
1:20:02
SPEAKER_44: I mean, is that something we know?
1:20:04
SPEAKER_44: Are there reports of that?
1:20:06
SPEAKER_08: For sure.
1:20:06
SPEAKER_08: For sure.
1:20:06
SPEAKER_08: Aaron Ross Powell Well, of course.
1:20:07
SPEAKER_08: I mean, I'm I don't think you can paint the entire department with a broad brush, but I think you can certainly say that there have been instances of sexualization of members of the police department by other members of the police department.
1:20:18
SPEAKER_43: Yeah, and I think there was um this has been publicly reported, there was a lawsuit where a former St.
1:20:23
SPEAKER_43: Paul police um officer was she had her personal information accessed by members of the police department and city the city of St.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_43: Paul had to settle with her.
1:20:33
SPEAKER_43: Um there were we in the course of the this reporting, we received two internal investigation reports involving people had or officers having sex in one in a cruiser, one in a in the headquarters of the St.
1:20:45
SPEAKER_43: Paul Police Department.
1:20:46
SPEAKER_08: So I think when you see that kind of information, there's no question that it's like this is a department that now that that also means that there's punishments that are meted out if that is found to have taken place.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_10: And that's the appropriate comment to make right there at the end.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_10: Because in the example that they gave, one, you had to have a settlement in place because somebody complained and was found to do something wrong.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_10: But this idea that she was just going with the crowd, no, no, no.
1:21:13
SPEAKER_10: Use the other example.
1:21:15
SPEAKER_10: Even if she was, if the police chief Henry wasn't acting this way, it doesn't give her a right to go and treat him the way that she did and acting like some overly sexually aggressive woman in the workplace, allegedly.
1:21:32
SPEAKER_10: You don't simply get a free pass to go, well, you know what?
1:21:34
SPEAKER_10: Other people act like this in there, so I don't know what Henry's problem is.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_10: Which is kind of the attitude that she's taken with all of this.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_10: Let's get back to your uh comments via the uh blaster line this morning.
1:21:48
SPEAKER_10: Again, 651-964-0294.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_10: We give before we get back to more details regarding uh the further allegations that even go beyond the sexual assault claims.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_14: Give already John, my head's gonna spin off my shoulders again when I listen to these idiots talking about the culture of the St.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_14: Paul Police Department not having any knowledge of what that culture is.
1:22:12
SPEAKER_14: It's a travesty.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_14: I know people that are officers in the city of St.
1:22:17
SPEAKER_14: Paul, and these the most decent people around, and these very professionals, and they just do all the stuff that they are doing.
1:22:27
SPEAKER_14: And if I listen to the male person talking, he's just beatable, man.
1:22:32
SPEAKER_14: And the women, hypocrisy, typical leftist center women, we're gonna blame these toxic male police department.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_14: Women are just a total of what it means to be a blaming leftist, and it's okay if you if we do it to them, but don't they dare do it to us.
1:22:56
SPEAKER_10: Well, he was uh he was Scott Con 10 this morning.
1:23:00
SPEAKER_16: I can't even understand what these people at the stream were talking about.
1:23:04
SPEAKER_16: They're basically saying, hey, there were these incidents, they were wrong, they resulted in lawsuits.
1:23:11
SPEAKER_16: Chaos had to be made.
1:23:14
SPEAKER_16: Okay, so it happened.
1:23:15
SPEAKER_16: Somebody got in trouble?
1:23:16
SPEAKER_16: Yeah.
1:23:17
SPEAKER_16: That means her can do it and not get in trouble?
1:23:20
SPEAKER_16: I I don't even get the logic.
1:23:24
SPEAKER_19: Oh my god, her is and the people supporting her are so full of crap.
1:23:29
SPEAKER_19: How about this?
1:23:30
SPEAKER_19: How about you go uh I'm gonna uh pause it here.
1:23:33
SPEAKER_10: I uh just perusing the uh the audio.
1:23:36
SPEAKER_10: I feared that it was about to uh take a bit of a turn, so to uh we'll just move on from that.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_10: 651-964-0294.
1:23:47
SPEAKER_10: We do have some texts that have uh that have rolled in.
1:23:49
SPEAKER_10: Uh Horny Her could possibly uh get her police uh fund by being an undercover cop on Vice Squad.
1:23:57
unknown: Okay.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_10: She is the mayor.
1:24:03
SPEAKER_10: Should be above any inappropriate behavior or perception of it, writes Jeff.
1:24:08
SPEAKER_10: I'm not sure if I'm reading that wrong or not.
1:24:10
SPEAKER_10: Uh listen, the lawsuit also said, getting back to the story here.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_10: The lawsuit also said that rather than address the allegations made against her, the mayor's administration directed a paid media campaign through public relations firm and others to attack Henry.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_10: Now the lawsuit does not name the public relations firm that they are referring to.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_10: Apparently, the campaign aimed to cast doubt on Henry's motives for reporting her's conduct, including implying that Henry filed his sexual harassment complaint against her because he was upset about the SPPD budget, according to Mattel.
1:24:46
SPEAKER_10: And if you remember when the story first broke, that was the immediate pushback was that oh, and there were articles written in the Star Tribune about this.
1:24:55
SPEAKER_10: Saying that, oh, this is just her.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_10: He's upset about budget issues and basically is, you know, seeking his own retribution and retaliation.
1:25:08
SPEAKER_10: The lawsuit alleges that Mayor Her's representatives, including her paid media consultants, found willing reporters to spin that Chief Henry made his sexual harassment complaint against Mayor Herr because of some vague budget-related disagreements with the mayor.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_10: Now, of course, the city hired a St.
1:25:28
SPEAKER_10: Paul, uh St.
1:25:28
SPEAKER_10: Cloud-based law firm to conduct the investigation.
1:25:31
SPEAKER_10: That report has not been publicly released.
1:25:34
SPEAKER_10: Now, here's where things could end up taking a turn, wherein that public pressure might end up actually occurring.
1:25:45
SPEAKER_10: Because in a subsequent story, uh the St.
1:25:48
SPEAKER_10: Paul City Council members are calling for the release of the full conduct report.
1:25:55
SPEAKER_10: This is the one where they said that she did make, you know, uh, let me get the exact uh wording right here.
1:26:01
SPEAKER_10: She engaged in offensive and inappropriate behavior, but couldn't substantiate specific allegations of sexual harassment to any one employee.
1:26:11
SPEAKER_10: Now the city's investigation was completed this month, right?
1:26:15
SPEAKER_10: But now you have council members, um Sarah Jost and Molly Coleman, who have called for a full investigation and that report to be released.
1:26:25
SPEAKER_10: And just as a reminder, it's a full uh female, a city council.
1:26:30
SPEAKER_10: Which I believe the President Barack Obama, former President Barack Obama, was all excited about.
1:26:34
SPEAKER_10: I think he mentioned this recently in some commentary that he was all happy to see.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_10: It's irrelevant.
1:26:39
SPEAKER_10: Are they all qualified?
1:26:40
SPEAKER_10: That's the biggest question.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_10: I don't care what their I don't care what their biology is.
1:26:45
SPEAKER_10: Uh let's go here.
1:26:46
SPEAKER_10: Back to the uh blaster line, 651-964-0294.
1:26:50
SPEAKER_21: Hey, good morning, John.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_21: I I think it's absolutely wild regarding uh horny her.
1:26:57
SPEAKER_21: Anyway, calling it the culture of the police department.
1:27:01
SPEAKER_21: That's like saying because in my corporate America job, somebody has been sexually harassed and it's been dealt with, like you have pointed out.
1:27:12
SPEAKER_21: That's not the culture.
1:27:14
SPEAKER_21: I mean, she's a wackadoo, man.
1:27:17
SPEAKER_21: I don't know if you remember when the whole um shutdown or the walkout was occurring and uh Keoli was my representative.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_21: I got into it with her on asked about how she was more than willing to meet with me and help me better understand what she was doing behind the scenes instead of being where she should be for her job.
1:27:38
SPEAKER_21: And then she found out my intentions weren't pure, and I wasn't a DFL, you know, conglodite, I guess.
1:27:46
SPEAKER_21: And uh yeah, she no longer wanted to meet with me, and it was insults and everything else.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_21: So she's a piece of human excrement as far as I'm concerned.
1:27:56
SPEAKER_10: She clearly seems entirely too immature to be holding this position of power.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_10: That's just the bot that's just that that's just my bottom line on all this.
1:28:05
SPEAKER_10: You know, these allegations, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire, and they are just still allegations.
1:28:11
SPEAKER_10: But even that report and her herself, the St.
1:28:14
SPEAKER_10: Paul Mayor herself didn't dispute any of this.
1:28:17
SPEAKER_10: She just took the stance of, oh, well, people don't get my sense of humor, which is exactly what the Star Tribune was playing into.
1:28:24
SPEAKER_10: Well, you know, it's a culture there, and she was just trying to be a part of the culture.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_10: You know, you know, Cooley Heard just wants, she just wants friends.
1:28:32
SPEAKER_10: She just needs, she just needs some friends.
1:28:34
SPEAKER_10: That's all.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_10: All right, Jeffin Lindstrom writes, as the mayor, the expectation of behavior would be that she must be above it all and held to a higher standard of that behavior.
1:28:46
SPEAKER_10: Yes, the mayor should be without reproach because horny mayor is mayor, CEO.
1:28:53
SPEAKER_10: Any public corporate board would ax her a hundred percent.
1:28:59
SPEAKER_10: No, you are absolutely uh correct.
1:29:03
SPEAKER_24: Morning, John.
1:29:03
SPEAKER_24: Former neighbor Mike here.
1:29:05
SPEAKER_24: You know, it finally happened.
1:29:07
SPEAKER_24: Somebody finally made Jacob Fry look like Albert Einstein.
1:29:13
SPEAKER_24: Thank you, she her.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_24: I know.
1:29:16
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and look, and there's a fundamental difference.
1:29:18
SPEAKER_10: I mean, Minneapolis man, baby, maybe your mom jeans to Jacob Fry, right?
1:29:22
SPEAKER_10: He's very much like a broken clock, right twice a day.
1:29:25
SPEAKER_10: He gets some things right and some things wrong.
1:29:27
SPEAKER_10: I compare him more to like Bobby Newport from Parks and Wreck.
1:29:32
SPEAKER_10: He's just kind of a dunderhead.
1:29:34
SPEAKER_10: Shouldn't be serving in that position either, in over his skis at times of controversy.
1:29:40
SPEAKER_10: But at least he's not, apart from the ridiculous dancing and the mom jeans, at least he's not putting forward, you know, this ridiculous, again, allegations of the inappropriate behavior and juvenile behavior.
1:29:59
SPEAKER_10: There is a big, big difference there.
1:30:01
SPEAKER_13: Good morning, John Rich here.
1:30:04
SPEAKER_13: So, in reference to Mayor Herr, she is doing what's called political trade craft.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_13: And in short, the term is spin.
1:30:14
SPEAKER_13: They put spin on it to take away from the true focus of what actually the violation is, and to protect her.
1:30:23
SPEAKER_13: And she's got Democrat immunity cards.
1:30:26
SPEAKER_13: I mean, we've had several cases in the state of Minnesota where Democrats, politicians, or people in these offices get exemptions.
1:30:35
SPEAKER_13: Thanks.
1:30:36
SPEAKER_10: Thank you, Rich.
1:30:37
SPEAKER_10: And everybody who's uh left comments already this morning, 651-964-0294.
1:30:42
SPEAKER_10: You can email John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
1:30:46
SPEAKER_10: You know, regardless of the explanations to her be to the St.
1:30:49
SPEAKER_10: Paul Mayor's behavior, it's irrelevant.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_10: You know, either she was trying to fit in, in which case she was trying to follow with the rest of the group and acted inappropriately, or that's just an excuse and this is just who she is as an individual.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_10: She acted uh it inappropriately.
1:31:11
SPEAKER_10: It doesn't matter.
1:31:13
SPEAKER_10: What matters is she acted inappropriately.
1:31:16
SPEAKER_10: And we should be holding our politicians to a much higher standard than we do.
1:31:22
SPEAKER_10: And that's really the larger takeaway that we have here.
1:31:25
SPEAKER_10: We just we have um, as a society, we have fallen far too short of our accepted standards for the individuals that hold office, and that is indicative in the way that too many individuals conduct themselves when they are holding office.
1:31:42
SPEAKER_10: We all sin and fall short of the glory of God.
1:31:44
SPEAKER_10: But Jeff and Lindstrom had the right point.
1:31:47
SPEAKER_10: You're serving in a position of power where people voted you into office.
1:31:52
unknown: Yeah.
1:31:52
SPEAKER_10: You need to be better than that.
1:31:54
SPEAKER_10: And clearly, based on the allegations, you know, uh mayor her has not been better uh better than that.
1:32:01
SPEAKER_10: All right, coming up.
1:32:02
SPEAKER_10: Oh, this one I could have predicted.
1:32:04
SPEAKER_10: So we have a brand new city audit regarding the violence interrupting programs.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_10: This comes from the Star Tribune, by the way.
1:32:11
SPEAKER_10: City audit warns of fraud and favoritism in Minneapolis violent uh violence prevention programs.
1:32:20
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, this is me sitting here without my shocked face because this is exactly what I had expected and you had expected was going to happen when you try to go and replace trained law enforcement with former drug abusing gang members and believe that they're gonna be the ones to keep the streets safe, interrupting the violence.
1:32:44
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SPEAKER_31: Good morning, John.
1:36:35
SPEAKER_31: You just made a really interesting statement.
1:36:47
SPEAKER_31: Well, that's what they kept screaming about ICE agents, that they were untrained and they were not qualified for the role.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_31: So you're gonna stick untrained and unqualified people alter to deal with violence in Minneapolis.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_31: Double standard.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_31: Wow.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_31: What does Mayor Herne think about that?
1:37:04
SPEAKER_10: Right?
1:37:05
SPEAKER_10: Thank you so much for the uh blast at 651-964-0294.
1:37:12
SPEAKER_10: Uh speaking of uh speaking of blasts, man, I'm bummed we can't watch this.
1:37:16
SPEAKER_10: So, you know what we need to remind me?
1:37:18
SPEAKER_10: We need to get a um we need a television monitor in here.
1:37:21
SPEAKER_10: Starship has taken off this morning.
1:37:23
SPEAKER_10: And I wish I could watch.
1:37:25
SPEAKER_10: I guess they're planning on putting uh the Starship in orbit for uh the longest period of time that they've done so far.
1:37:34
SPEAKER_10: It is just incredible to watch these launches uh when they actually take place.
1:37:40
SPEAKER_10: As a matter of fact, maybe I'll try to bring it up on X.
1:37:45
SPEAKER_10: Because usually the commentary over is pretty fantastic.
1:37:47
SPEAKER_10: We'll see, we'll see about this.
1:37:49
SPEAKER_10: Let me see if I can time it out right.
1:37:51
SPEAKER_10: Uh, my uh my son Logan is keeping me apprised of this.
1:37:54
SPEAKER_10: He's at work right now and he's very excited about it.
1:37:56
SPEAKER_10: So hopefully he's got some downtime so he can watch uh the Starship uh launch.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_10: So, all right, let's go here.
1:38:02
SPEAKER_10: Sorry, that was a bit of a squirrel moment on my part and uh also a good update.
1:38:09
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's right.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_10: That's my show.
1:38:11
SPEAKER_10: Dino Inner, Star Tribune, since Minneapolis police killed the George Floyd in 2020.
1:38:16
SPEAKER_10: Well, there's an opening.
1:38:19
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, those drugs in the system didn't have anything to do with that, right?
1:38:24
SPEAKER_10: Oh, I mean, what a way to turn me off from your article right out of the gate.
1:38:27
SPEAKER_10: Anyway.
1:38:28
SPEAKER_10: The city has contracted since 2020.
1:38:30
SPEAKER_10: Let's just go.
1:38:31
SPEAKER_10: Let's just rephrase that.
1:38:32
SPEAKER_10: Since the death of George Floyd in 2020, the city has contracted with dozens of community groups to prevent crime and use more alternatives to police.
1:38:43
SPEAKER_10: But the city's oversight of more than 100 contracts has been so lax that it increased the risk of fraud while enabling favoritism in contracting, the city audit has found.
1:38:59
SPEAKER_10: Of course it did.
1:39:00
SPEAKER_10: Of course it did.
1:39:02
SPEAKER_10: You'd have to be a damn fool.
1:39:05
SPEAKER_10: A damn fool to think for a moment that handing hundreds of thousands of dollars, ultimately totaling thirty-six million dollars to former gangbangers and drug abusers, was going to go and have any sort of tangible effort or wasn't going to lead to fraud and favoritism.
1:39:29
SPEAKER_10: I know it becomes trite, I get it, but it's true.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_10: This is nothing more and was nothing more and is nothing more than another redistribution of wealth program.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_10: Which also helps to perpetuate the anti-police narratives.
1:39:49
SPEAKER_10: I mean, I saw the story this morning and I was like, I I I I predicted this.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_10: And this isn't even me patting myself on the back.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_10: It's an easy prediction to make.
1:39:58
SPEAKER_10: Human nature would have told you as much.
1:40:02
SPEAKER_10: It's just infuriating.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_10: The agenda-driven morons that we have that are guiding the city of Minneapolis, and I guess the city of St.
1:40:14
SPEAKER_10: the Twin Cities in general.
1:40:15
SPEAKER_10: I just but as I as we'll know it, and I don't know what hopefully we'll have a chance to get to it.
1:40:21
SPEAKER_10: It's it's in the stack.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_10: It's one of the next stories that I have because it relates to this.
1:40:25
SPEAKER_10: We mentioned it briefly on Friday, but there's this story about the answer to the smash windows in Minneapolis, because they don't have the same problem in St.
1:40:34
SPEAKER_10: Paul.
1:40:36
SPEAKER_10: And as a matter of fact, when you actually look at the data, you can see there is no parallel.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_10: There's two separate tracks going on.
1:40:43
SPEAKER_10: There's a rise in crime in Minneapolis with a stability relating to the crime taking place in St.
1:40:49
SPEAKER_10: Paul.
1:40:50
SPEAKER_10: And what it speaks to in St.
1:40:51
SPEAKER_10: Paul is that even regardless of the juvenile leadership that they have at the helm courtesy of the St.
1:40:58
SPEAKER_10: Paul mayor and the controversies that are surrounding horny her, and despite the fact that you have majority Democrat leadership, you still have leadership that understands the importance of policing to reduce crime.
1:41:12
SPEAKER_10: You can have Democrats that agree when it comes to common sense items and issues like crime and therefore make good decisions.
1:41:22
SPEAKER_10: That's why I use the term broken clock right twice a day.
1:41:26
SPEAKER_10: We don't have that in Minneapolis.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_10: You have agenda-driven communists that are directly, you know, helping to perpetuate the continued crime.
1:41:37
SPEAKER_10: Whereas in St.
1:41:38
SPEAKER_10: Paul, you have Democrats, a lot of them also align with the commies over, you know, next door in Minneapolis, but at the same time, they also understand, you know what, though?
1:41:49
SPEAKER_10: For us to continue getting elected, we need to make sure that we do something about all this crime.
1:41:53
SPEAKER_10: You can still care about that.
1:41:56
SPEAKER_10: So, as I mentioned, since 2023,$36 million has been spent on alternatives to police through five main programs in which community groups are hired to help reduce street violence.
1:42:08
SPEAKER_10: The audit examined how neighborhood safety departments uh manage contracts with groups that work to combat gangs, intervene with victims at hospitals, and support the community after traumatic incidents or crimes.
1:42:21
SPEAKER_10: The audit was required as part of a settlement two years ago after lawyer Dean Thompson sued the city, alleging it failed to properly oversee millions of dollars paid to community groups.
1:42:34
SPEAKER_10: The audit found that the city is not living up to its terms of that agreement, exposing itself to significant risks.
1:42:42
SPEAKER_10: This is the first audit since the settlement, and it looked at the program from 2020 to 2025.
1:42:51
SPEAKER_10: The city auditors found contracts continue to submit limited documentation while the city continues to pay vendors despite the concerns about the contracts.
1:43:04
SPEAKER_10: Invoices or incomplete or missing documentation.
1:43:08
SPEAKER_10: My God in heaven.
1:43:11
SPEAKER_10: Does this all sound familiar?
1:43:14
SPEAKER_10: It is a carbon copy of what we've seen happen with the billion dollars in fraud that's gone up in smoke because of Democrat leadership at the state level that again was receiving limited documentation, low barriers of entry to these taxpayer-funded medical service programs or transportation programs.
1:43:37
SPEAKER_10: But they continue to pay out the money despite the concerns, despite incomplete missing invoices or documentation or no oversight.
1:43:45
SPEAKER_10: It's exactly the same thing.
1:43:47
SPEAKER_10: And it's all done for pure politics to redistribute the wealth, to perpetuate the narratives, because they do not care about having a thriving Minneapolis.
1:43:59
SPEAKER_10: No, they want a bastion of communism where you have the gatekeepers, those that are in charge at the Minneapolis City Council level and a public living their lives in fear, dependent on the services that the Minneapolis City Council is going to go and bestow upon them.
1:44:20
SPEAKER_10: They look at their voters like they're peasants, they're power mad, progressive communists.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_10: This is the first audit since the settlement, and it looked at the program, as I mentioned, for the past five years.
1:44:36
SPEAKER_10: Five years into this experiment with alternatives to policing, policing, the city doesn't have a standardized process for doing site visits to make sure the work is even being done.
1:44:49
SPEAKER_10: They don't even have a process in place.
1:44:52
SPEAKER_10: They don't care.
1:44:53
SPEAKER_10: They are not interested.
1:44:57
SPEAKER_10: The neighborhood safety department director Amanda Harrington said 140 site visits were done from the spring of 25 to 26, but they weren't documented the way the auditors wanted.
1:45:09
SPEAKER_10: In a spreadsheet of times and dates rather than in folders and saved emails, for example.
1:45:15
SPEAKER_10: Most were scheduled in advanced rather than unannounced.
1:45:18
SPEAKER_10: Okay, so they wanted the audit from what I can gather.
1:45:22
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:45:23
SPEAKER_10: From what I can gather, they wanted the audit to have a paper trail.
1:45:29
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:45:30
SPEAKER_10: Show us emails.
1:45:32
SPEAKER_10: What background have you done regarding the$36 million that you're giving to these violence interrupters?
1:45:38
SPEAKER_10: Show me, show, show your work.
1:45:40
SPEAKER_10: So what do they do?
1:45:41
SPEAKER_10: They did a spreadsheet of dates and times.
1:45:45
SPEAKER_10: I'm sure that wasn't fabricated.
1:45:48
SPEAKER_10: I'm I'm I'm I'm sure that that was all legitimate dates and times that were put on that sheet.
1:45:56
SPEAKER_10: And even if those site uh visits were done, as it mentions in what I just uh shared with you, most were scheduled in advance.
1:46:05
SPEAKER_10: So the individuals that were going to be inspected knew all along when the inspectors were going to come by.
1:46:14
SPEAKER_10: Auditors found several cases in which contractors appealed directly to the city council and other officials to approve contracts or resolve disagreements.
1:46:27
SPEAKER_10: So instead of going through the proper channels, they went right to the city council members, the individuals who were basically cutting the checks, if they had any problems.
1:46:35
SPEAKER_10: The whole idea of I mean, not the need to go down this road right now, but the whole idea of the violence interrupter program is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard.
1:46:43
SPEAKER_10: If you have a robust police department, if you have enough law enforcement officers per the population in Minneapolis, out on the streets, being able to conduct proper law enforcement by trained individuals, and then you want to go and talk about violence interrupters, okay, that's a conversation that can be worth having.
1:47:03
SPEAKER_10: Specific to certain hotbed areas in the community, low-income areas around Minneapolis where you might have an uptick in gang violence, wherein individuals who used to be involved in those gangs but are now sort of reformed individuals of the gang lifestyle, and you are having those individuals go into the community to talk directly with the youth and the gang members in those communities to try to quell the violence.
1:47:28
SPEAKER_10: I could see some merit in that.
1:47:30
SPEAKER_10: I'm not saying I'm gonna throw an abundance of funding at it.
1:47:33
SPEAKER_10: I would hope maybe there was a nonprofit organization or private organizations that could form to go and deal with that sort of community outreach, but that's not what we're talking about here.
1:47:42
SPEAKER_10: We're talking about still not having enough police officers on the streets.
1:47:46
SPEAKER_10: I mean, we're down into like the three and four hundred range, according to some of the latest uh data points.
1:47:52
SPEAKER_10: We're supposed to have between eight and nine hundred police officers.
1:47:54
SPEAKER_10: Instead, you got a bunch of individuals wearing around matching t-shirts saying they're violence interrupting.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_10: And I don't even know how that happens.
1:48:03
SPEAKER_10: Let's get to a few of your thoughts from the blaster line this morning.
1:48:06
SPEAKER_10: 651-964-0294.
1:48:10
SPEAKER_35: My mom and I were downtown Minneapolis having dinner on a rooftop patio, and across the street from us, there was a group of men in red shirts, and then on the other corner, there was a group of men in blue shirts.
1:48:26
SPEAKER_35: They had pop-up chairs, they're just kind of hanging, chilling.
1:48:31
SPEAKER_35: I guess those were violence interrupters.
1:48:35
SPEAKER_35: I don't know, they just looked like homies on the block to me.
1:48:38
SPEAKER_35: It was weird.
1:48:39
SPEAKER_10: That's pretty much the standard.
1:48:41
SPEAKER_10: If they're even out on the street, well, how are you interrupting violence?
1:48:45
SPEAKER_10: Well, we're at this location and violence isn't occurring.
1:48:49
SPEAKER_10: And therefore, because we're here, our presence interrupts the violence.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_10: I guess.
1:48:57
SPEAKER_10: Maybe.
1:49:00
SPEAKER_10: Last year.
1:49:02
SPEAKER_10: Oh, let me go back here.
1:49:03
SPEAKER_10: Hold on.
1:49:04
SPEAKER_10: The auditor said the city doesn't have adequate controls to protect the contracting process from political pressure or conflicts of interest.
1:49:11
SPEAKER_10: The contracting process should be fair and free from undue influence and pressure, the audit said.
1:49:17
SPEAKER_10: And the employees and officials should disclose any conflict of influence or communication with contractors.
1:49:22
SPEAKER_10: Harrington said that since she took the helm of the department in 2025, she's seen a couple of instances where contractors reached out to the mayor or council members about contract terms being negotiated or invoices not being processed quickly enough.
1:49:35
SPEAKER_10: Even though the contracts clearly say all communication should go through the contract managers, that doesn't stop them.
1:49:42
SPEAKER_10: Last year, two violence interrupters were caught in connection with a North of Minneapolis shootout where one of them was shot three times.
1:49:51
SPEAKER_10: That's not really interrupting violence.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_10: Instead?
1:50:02
SPEAKER_10: You interrupted further violence, perhaps?
1:50:07
SPEAKER_10: The city uh paid the group nearly two million dollars from 2021 to March of 2025 for violence interruption and outreach.
1:50:17
SPEAKER_10: A city spokesperson noted the city hadn't had a contract with the group for more than a year.
1:50:22
SPEAKER_10: This year, five point five million dollars is budgeted for the violence interrupter program.
1:50:28
SPEAKER_10: In the meantime, they're jacking up everybody's property taxes while they pay a bunch of former gangbangers to go out there, wear fancy shirts, and uh sit in folding chairs to keep watch.
1:50:43
SPEAKER_10: Some uh city council members have bristled at potentially cutting the money, as Minneapolis man, maybe Mayor Mom Jeans Jacob Fry had proposed.
1:50:52
SPEAKER_10: He wanted to cut it by$2.6 million next year.
1:50:57
SPEAKER_10: But these council members say the program is crucial to fighting crime.
1:51:00
SPEAKER_10: Council member Jason Chavez, one of the biggest wastes of communist space on the city council, along with Council uh Council Vice President Jamal Osman recently vowed to restore the funding without any need for the violence interrupters to show their work of accomplishing anything.
1:51:22
SPEAKER_10: Other council members were skeptical.
1:51:24
SPEAKER_10: During a March committee meeting, Council member Pearl Warren said she'd rather spend the money on police and firefighters.
1:51:30
SPEAKER_10: My goodness, common sense, who knew, than violence interrupters that she's seen in her North Minneapolis ward.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_10: She has worked in youth outreach and called the violence interrupters 21 Jump Street cops, alluding to them being rookies, and said they look like a parade of Skittles doing nothing in the streets.
1:51:51
SPEAKER_10: So that would certainly speak directly to the previous uh comment coming from uh the uh blaster line this morning.
1:52:00
SPEAKER_10: All right, let's get back to some of your thoughts.
1:52:02
SPEAKER_10: 651-964-0294.
1:52:04
SPEAKER_10: Hey John, this is Ronald Grump, East Central Minnesota.
1:52:08
SPEAKER_25: This violence interrupter thing just reminds me of the Godfather.
1:52:12
SPEAKER_25: Like it's a protection racket.
1:52:13
SPEAKER_25: And what makes it worse is that it's self-imposed by the thing themselves.
1:52:24
SPEAKER_16: Isn't it so why why do these violence interrupters have to be paid?
1:52:34
SPEAKER_16: I mean, if I think about it from the perspective of where I live, the fire department is volunteer.
1:52:40
SPEAKER_16: Neighborhood watches would be volunteer.
1:52:42
SPEAKER_16: If you care about your neighborhood, don't you step up and just do things like that?
1:52:47
SPEAKER_16: Why why why do they have to be paid?
1:52:49
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's a really good point.
1:52:51
SPEAKER_10: We used to see that.
1:52:52
SPEAKER_10: And I usually know when I'm making a good point on an issue because the foes of the show leave messages and they want to steer the topic someplace else because they don't want to talk about the reality of what I'm actually speaking to.
1:53:04
SPEAKER_10: They don't want to talk about the communists that are running the city of Minneapolis.
1:53:08
SPEAKER_10: They'd rather go and attempt to make some quasi-argument relating to something else as if what I'm discussing right now is not important or crucial.
1:53:18
SPEAKER_22: For normie norm, if all of government spending is fraud, then none of government spending is fraud.
1:53:25
SPEAKER_22: If it takes you five minutes to explain why it's nine billion, forty-five billion, or a hundred and three billion, like Christy Noam said, for the fraud, this is not a winning topic.
1:53:38
SPEAKER_22: People are struggling to put food on the table and gas in their tanks.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_22: People do not like the Iran war.
1:53:45
SPEAKER_22: If we have no game plan and we don't push back this election and have a defense, we're going to lose by double or triple.
1:53:56
SPEAKER_10: I don't even know what you're talking about.
1:53:59
SPEAKER_10: I don't even know what you're talking about.
1:54:02
SPEAKER_10: Except for the fact that you don't want to address and agree with me.
1:54:05
SPEAKER_10: That's that's my takeaway on Mildred's comments right here.
1:54:09
SPEAKER_10: Is that Mildred is conflicted because I'm making rational common sense commentary regarding the fact that we shouldn't be paying$36 million, we shouldn't be paying a million dollars, we shouldn't be paying$10 to individuals labeled violence interrupters.
1:54:30
SPEAKER_10: All of that money should be going to trained law enforcement to tackle the crimes that are being committed in the city of Minneapolis.
1:54:42
SPEAKER_10: But it's a conflict for Trump derangement syndrome sufferers like Mildred.
1:54:46
SPEAKER_10: So instead, they have to go and point to, I don't know why you're talking about this.
1:54:50
SPEAKER_10: Nobody cares about this.
1:54:52
SPEAKER_10: This isn't going to help us help you win elections.
1:54:54
SPEAKER_10: Uh people are more concerned about Iran, and they're more concerned uh, you know, about putting food on their table.
1:54:59
SPEAKER_10: I don't know.
1:55:00
SPEAKER_10: See, this is what happens when people hear the truth.
1:55:03
SPEAKER_10: They are so accustomed, brainwashed, and locked in their own anti-Trump delusions that when they hear the truth spoken, they end up glitching.
1:55:18
SPEAKER_10: Because they can't they can't handle it.
1:55:20
SPEAKER_10: I don't know what to do.
1:55:20
SPEAKER_10: I I gotta point it back uh to something else.
1:55:22
SPEAKER_10: I we need to we have to go and and talk about this this isn't gonna win uh elections.
1:55:26
SPEAKER_10: I I'm I'm stuck here because John's making sense and I I've become really confused.
1:55:30
SPEAKER_10: God, what a moron.
1:55:34
SPEAKER_10: Alright, let's get back to uh some more salient uh blasts on the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
1:55:43
SPEAKER_46: The best violent interrupter would probably be to bring back the Bible, teach the Bible in school, and the Ten Commandments.
1:55:54
SPEAKER_10: Well, Bob, it certainly would be a start, wouldn't it?
1:55:57
SPEAKER_31: Hey John, can we completely rule out that paying violence for interrupters isn't exactly like paying the mafia back in the day for protection?
1:56:07
SPEAKER_31: You know, hey, you pay us money and nothing bad happens to your place.
1:56:11
SPEAKER_31: Yeah, well, maybe the violence isn't going on because you're paying the violent people to not be violent.
1:56:16
SPEAKER_31: That's why they don't want to stop paying them.
1:56:19
SPEAKER_31: Holy cow, if we don't pay these guys, wait, wait to see what happens then.
1:56:24
SPEAKER_31: Happy Monday.
1:56:26
SPEAKER_10: Happy Monday indeed.
1:56:27
SPEAKER_10: Let me share this with you.
1:56:30
SPEAKER_10: The violence interrupters certainly didn't help this mother.
1:56:35
SPEAKER_10: A black man in a wig just beat a white mother in the head with a hammer, stepped over her, and went for the stairs where her kids were sleeping.
1:56:46
SPEAKER_10: The reporting on this has been thin.
1:56:48
SPEAKER_10: I do have some audio to share.
1:56:50
SPEAKER_10: It was not a lead story on any of the media outlets, although it has been going viral online.
1:56:57
SPEAKER_10: The story of Maria Grant, a mother in Minneapolis who had a knock on her door just before 9 p.m.
1:57:04
SPEAKER_10: of an individual that she knew, a man who had done work in her yard, who had walked her dog, who showed up at her door wearing a wig, and then it turned violent when the man went for her children upstairs.
1:57:19
SPEAKER_10: Thankfully, their old pit bull named Athena was waiting and attacked him and saved their lives.
1:57:27
SPEAKER_10: I'll share with you the audio of this woman in just a moment here on the John Justice show.
1:57:32
SPEAKER_10: Right now I want to get back to a few blasts that rolled in in the middle of my commentary.
1:57:36
SPEAKER_28: Mildred is a great example of the people that live in our state.
1:57:42
SPEAKER_28: Yes, fraud happened, and the reason people are struggling to put food on the table and gas in their tank, Mildred, is because we're taxed to death.
1:57:51
SPEAKER_28: And you know why we're taxed to death?
1:57:53
SPEAKER_28: Because they keep spending our money and giving it away to their corrupt political buddies and immigrants.
1:58:00
SPEAKER_28: Yes, that is the number one issue, Mildred.
1:58:06
SPEAKER_28: People that I know.
1:58:08
SPEAKER_28: Clean it up.
1:58:08
SPEAKER_28: Yep.
1:58:09
SPEAKER_28: We could pave our streets with gold if we just spent the tax money in the correct manner.
1:58:16
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, our own independent reporting here, and we'll have more details of this throughout the week.
1:58:22
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1:58:26
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1:58:29
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1:58:34
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1:58:35
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1:58:38
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2:00:58
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2:01:03
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2:01:30
SPEAKER_18: Hi John, Steve Andover.
2:01:33
SPEAKER_18: I just have a theory.
2:01:34
SPEAKER_18: Um I I just picture Eric from Brainerd is in the basement.
2:01:40
SPEAKER_18: And Mildred is his mother who pays the bills.
2:01:46
SPEAKER_18: So don't be too hard on Mildred.
2:01:48
SPEAKER_18: I think it's Eric that has the problem.
2:01:52
SPEAKER_10: Thanks.
2:01:53
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, you might be you you might be right on that.
2:01:56
SPEAKER_10: You might be you might be right on that.
2:01:57
SPEAKER_10: Or it could just be, you know, Mildred using the voice disguiser, which is what we've suspected all uh all along.
2:02:04
SPEAKER_10: So thank you for the comments on the blaster line as we roll into hour three here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment, 651-964-0294.
2:02:14
SPEAKER_10: And you can email John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
2:02:17
SPEAKER_10: Uh, this is a horrific story.
2:02:19
SPEAKER_10: A Maria Grant, a mother in Minneapolis, three weeks ago, she heard a knock on her door just before 9 p.m.
2:02:25
SPEAKER_10: She opened it and then was struck in the head.
2:02:29
SPEAKER_10: She knew the man.
2:02:30
SPEAKER_10: He'd done work in her yard.
2:02:31
SPEAKER_10: He'd walked her dog, and that night she he uh showed up wearing a wig.
2:02:35
SPEAKER_10: Lying on the floor bleeding, he turned toward the staircase.
2:02:38
SPEAKER_10: Her young children were asleep upstairs.
2:02:40
SPEAKER_10: That's when Athena, their pit bull, lunged at the man.
2:02:45
SPEAKER_10: She was biting him, Maria said.
2:02:47
SPEAKER_10: I could see the blood coming down from his legs of his jeans.
2:02:50
SPEAKER_10: He never made it upstairs.
2:02:52
SPEAKER_10: According to the charging documents, he fled the scene and showed up at a hospital with a dog bite wounds.
2:02:58
SPEAKER_10: She ended up with six staples in her head.
2:02:59
SPEAKER_10: Thankfully, her children slept through the whole ordeal.
2:03:04
SPEAKER_10: Here is uh some audio of the reporting uh of this mother that had to deal with this horrific experience.
2:03:09
SPEAKER_37: There are moments in life that change everything.
2:03:12
SPEAKER_37: This is the closest I've ever been to death.
2:03:15
SPEAKER_37: For Maria Grant, it was a knock at her door three weeks ago.
2:03:19
SPEAKER_37: I opened the door, and then I immediately get whacked in the head with a hammer.
2:03:24
SPEAKER_37: She says the man standing there was someone she knew, someone who had worked for her walking her dog.
2:03:30
SPEAKER_37: But that night, she says he was wearing a wig.
2:03:33
SPEAKER_37: He's just hitting me over the head with a hammer.
2:03:36
SPEAKER_38: And all I'm feeling is just the the hits and then the waves of blood coming down my face.
2:03:44
SPEAKER_37: And he didn't stop it.
2:03:46
SPEAKER_37: Then she says he tried to head upstairs where her children were sleeping.
2:03:50
SPEAKER_37: I had to protect my kid.
2:03:52
SPEAKER_37: And then when I when I dragged him down the stairs.
2:03:55
SPEAKER_37: Right behind her, Athena.
2:03:57
SPEAKER_37: She was giving she was biting him.
2:03:59
SPEAKER_37: And I could see the the blood coming out of his legs from his jeans.
2:04:04
SPEAKER_37: Her seven-year-old 80-pound pit bull went after him.
2:04:07
SPEAKER_37: How about you, girl?
2:04:08
SPEAKER_37: Giving Grant the chance she needed.
2:04:11
SPEAKER_37: I'm grateful she was there.
2:04:12
SPEAKER_37: And I couldn't have I don't think I'd be here without her.
2:04:15
SPEAKER_37: I think I'd be laying over there on the floor.
2:04:18
SPEAKER_37: Damante Richardson is charged with second-degree assault with a dangerous weapon.
2:04:22
SPEAKER_37: According to charging documents, Richardson was arrested after showing up at North Memorial Hospital with bite wounds.
2:04:29
SPEAKER_38: And then 36 hours go by and he's released.
2:04:33
SPEAKER_37: Now there's an active warrant for his arrest.
2:04:35
SPEAKER_38: I feel like they failed me, and I feel like they won't find him.
2:04:40
SPEAKER_38: And I it'll take months for them to find him.
2:04:42
SPEAKER_38: And then by that time, he probably would have done something else.
2:04:48
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, who know, you know who uh doesn't have the skills to go and find uh a uh criminal like this.
2:04:54
SPEAKER_10: It's uh violence interrupters.
2:04:56
SPEAKER_10: I just wanted to.
2:04:58
SPEAKER_10: My apologies for yelling.
2:05:01
SPEAKER_10: I just wanted to make sure that I said that loud enough for those in the back here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
2:05:08
SPEAKER_26: Well, maybe what's happening here, you know, is the the left low saying, silence is violence.
2:05:14
SPEAKER_26: You know, this applies to them, of course.
2:05:16
SPEAKER_26: Let's not look at that.
2:05:18
SPEAKER_26: But yeah, silence is violence.
2:05:19
SPEAKER_26: So maybe they're paying a lot of people to go out there and talk smack because the demographic they pull from the problem is trying to get them people to shut up.
2:05:27
SPEAKER_10: So if they're you know, the reality is no, as I said before, I it it's just a redistribution of wealth.
2:05:34
SPEAKER_10: It's that simple.
2:05:35
SPEAKER_10: It's a redistribution of wealth that helps to push their anti-police narratives, all while keeping them in positions of power.
2:05:43
SPEAKER_10: The way that the elections are run in Minneapolis, you have just a handful of votes.
2:05:49
SPEAKER_10: I mean, arguably, given the population size.
2:05:52
SPEAKER_10: When you get into the ridiculousness of ranked choice voting, they're just making sure that they're maintaining keeping the peace when it comes to those individuals who vote them into office.
2:06:04
SPEAKER_10: They're not keeping peace on the streets.
2:06:06
SPEAKER_10: No, they're keeping the peace with their constituents.
2:06:08
SPEAKER_10: Those are the individuals that support this redistribution of wealth, that hate law enforcement, that agree with the communists, the Democrat Socialists on the Minneapolis City Council.
2:06:20
SPEAKER_10: So they found a way to redistribute the wealth to those individuals to keep all of them happy.
2:06:24
SPEAKER_10: They don't care about the fraud, they don't care about any oversight, they don't care about any of the violence interrupting.
2:06:29
SPEAKER_10: None of that matters.
2:06:31
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, when I hear violence interrupters, I think the most cost-effective method would be making 1911s great again, or if you prefer capacity, make uh Brownie high powers great again.
2:06:43
SPEAKER_27: Um do a little bit of that.
2:06:45
SPEAKER_27: There'll be a lot of violence interrupted, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than what, 33 million, were you saying?
2:06:51
SPEAKER_27: 36.
2:06:52
SPEAKER_27: Absolutely.
2:06:52
SPEAKER_27: That's a lot of 1911s right there.
2:06:55
SPEAKER_10: All right, let's go here, because this is a really, really fascinating uh piece.
2:06:59
SPEAKER_10: Provides quite a bit of insight.
2:07:01
SPEAKER_10: Thank you for the comments uh this morning.
2:07:03
SPEAKER_10: Uh keep them uh rolling into the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
2:07:09
SPEAKER_10: But a few a few local trends fuel more rage than the incessant smashing of car windows in Minneapolis.
2:07:18
SPEAKER_10: A crime so stupid and rampant that it makes you wonder if disorder is the new normal in the mill city.
2:07:25
SPEAKER_10: This is written by Eric Roper.
2:07:28
SPEAKER_10: It's called The Answer to Minneapolis and their smash windows is in St.
2:07:33
SPEAKER_10: Paul.
2:07:34
SPEAKER_10: Week after week, in warmer months, reports of these quick hit car break-ins pour in from neighborhoods across the city.
2:07:40
SPEAKER_10: My own car window was shattered this spring.
2:07:42
SPEAKER_10: My next door neighbor is at his wit's end after being hit four times.
2:07:48
SPEAKER_10: I would just be furious.
2:07:53
SPEAKER_10: Here's the real shocker.
2:07:55
SPEAKER_10: The windows are largely intact across the river in St.
2:07:58
SPEAKER_10: Paul.
2:07:59
SPEAKER_10: Police there told me they've not seen many reports of car window smashings.
2:08:03
SPEAKER_10: State crime data shows that Minneapolis and St.
2:08:05
SPEAKER_10: Paul have followed opposite trajectories in recent years for crimes relating to broken car windows, but it also rings true when it comes to other crimes as well.
2:08:13
SPEAKER_10: The most obvious explanation for the disparities between Minneapolis and St.
2:08:16
SPEAKER_10: Paul is the number of police officers per capita.
2:08:19
SPEAKER_10: Minneapolis still has about 20% fewer officers in St.
2:08:24
SPEAKER_10: Paul as Minneapolis struggles to rebuild its police department.
2:08:28
SPEAKER_28: Hey, John, this thought of something.
2:08:30
SPEAKER_28: Isn't there like a uh minimum number of police that need to be on the payroll in some sort of Minneapolis charter or something?
2:08:38
SPEAKER_10: Yep.
2:08:38
SPEAKER_28: How are they using money to pay other people other than police?
2:08:42
SPEAKER_28: Isn't this a misappropriation of our taxpayer dollars?
2:08:46
SPEAKER_28: Just question.
2:08:47
SPEAKER_28: Thanks.
2:08:47
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, no, I think that you are on to something.
2:08:49
SPEAKER_10: I know that the lawsuit exists out there that was supposed to be forcing the Minneapolis City Council to hire more police officers, and I believe we just had an academy uh that uh rolled through.
2:09:00
SPEAKER_10: Uh, but even then, I and I don't I do not know the legal ramifications of taking money um to pay for violence interrupter uh interrupters versus taking that money and putting it towards law enforcement.
2:09:14
SPEAKER_10: I imagine there are some legal wranglings in terms of how that money is uh allocated that would give them the ability to move those funds around the way that they did.
2:09:25
SPEAKER_10: But getting back to the story, a department that stretched so thin has fewer resources to devote to property crimes like broken windows.
2:09:32
SPEAKER_10: But St.
2:09:33
SPEAKER_10: Paul's is more robust ranks are just a slice of the explanation.
2:09:37
SPEAKER_10: St.
2:09:38
SPEAKER_10: Paul's progress can be traced partially to the collaboration over the last several years between city and county leaders.
2:09:46
SPEAKER_10: In mid-2021, the Ramsey County attorney John Toy uh John Choi brought together St.
2:09:51
SPEAKER_10: Paul's mayor, some council members, police chief, county leaders, and the county sheriff to reduce violence in the city.
2:09:58
SPEAKER_10: Of course, this is before uh Mayor Cooley Her was elected uh as the mayor of uh St.
2:10:03
SPEAKER_10: Paul.
2:10:04
SPEAKER_10: If she if uh this happened back then, I think John Choi should probably keep an eye on the hands under the desk at any meetings that might take place.
2:10:10
SPEAKER_10: So allegedly uh she gets a little little handsy.
2:10:17
SPEAKER_10: Um they first discussed the spike in carjackings that was taking place, honing in on 65 teens who are responsible for much of the activity.
2:10:26
SPEAKER_10: What followed in St.
2:10:27
SPEAKER_10: Paul was a coordinated effort to locate those kids and offer services to get them back on track, along with the threat of consequences if they didn't shape up.
2:10:35
SPEAKER_10: By 2024, St.
2:10:37
SPEAKER_10: Paul earned national accolades as one of the few major American cities to get a handle on motor vehicle theft.
2:10:44
SPEAKER_10: Now, first off, you you you might sort of cringe a bit when you hear about this restorative justice relating to locating these kids and offering services to get them back on track.
2:10:55
SPEAKER_10: But it it's noteworthy that there were consequences if they didn't shape up.
2:10:58
SPEAKER_10: And you also had a robust police department.
2:11:01
SPEAKER_10: So you had a police department that was willing, uh that was able to go and handle the on-the-street crime that was taking place, which put the city of St.
2:11:10
SPEAKER_10: Paul in a position where they could go and identify young individuals and yes, offer them a level of restorative justice that also included consequences for their actions.
2:11:20
SPEAKER_10: That doesn't happen under Hennepin County attorney Scary Moriarty.
2:11:25
SPEAKER_10: None of it does.
2:11:26
SPEAKER_10: We don't have enough police officers, we're wasting millions of dollars on former gang members, and on top of that, there's very little consequences for juveniles in the city of Minneapolis when they get busted for conducting crimes.
2:11:40
SPEAKER_10: So the East Metro, Eric says, created a roadmap, but Minneapolis and Hannepin County leaders aren't following it.
2:11:46
SPEAKER_10: In fact, it seems like there might be a problem with the phone lines between City Hall and the county offices.
2:11:50
SPEAKER_10: I spent hours of sitting around conference tables with police and prosecutors separately to understand the window smashing disparity.
2:11:58
SPEAKER_10: Both sides are basically convinced that they.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_10: Have the answer to the problem.
2:12:01
SPEAKER_10: If only their counterpart would see it their way.
2:12:05
SPEAKER_10: Window smashing is largely caused by a small population of young people who break into cars for entertainment value according to the cops.
2:12:13
SPEAKER_10: So both cops and prosecutors agree the need to intervene with these problem kids before the crimes happen, but they're pursuing separate paths to do that because police are fed up with the prosecutor's office that, in their view, is overly permissive of young people who need a wake-up call.
2:12:29
SPEAKER_10: Hannepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty wants cops to refer kids to her youth and auto theft early intervention program.
2:12:37
SPEAKER_10: Moriarty's team is stumped about why cops stopped referring kids to it last year, which says a lot about the distrust of the agencies.
2:12:47
SPEAKER_10: Lieutenant Kelly O'Rourke, who heads the MPD juvenile investigation unit, said it wasn't working.
2:12:53
SPEAKER_10: I saw the same kids.
2:12:56
SPEAKER_10: The police ultimately created an intervention program that involves cops repeatedly checking in on certain kids and their families at home.
2:13:05
SPEAKER_10: The cops complain about the difficulty securing charges for serious crimes, but their goal isn't to toss kids in jail.
2:13:12
SPEAKER_10: Instead, they'd like to see repeat offenders taken out of their environment long enough to diagnose, to diagnose and stabilize their problems.
2:13:20
SPEAKER_10: If we have a thousand car break-ins in the summer and we finally catch a group of kids, my God, you have to focus your intensive attention on what to do with those kids.
2:13:31
SPEAKER_10: The public, meanwhile, is in a fog.
2:13:34
SPEAKER_10: And apparently the fog is still really bad outside.
2:13:36
SPEAKER_10: Somebody was just had just shared with me that the fog was still really bad and they couldn't see.
2:13:41
SPEAKER_10: Different kind of fog in the story that we're talking about here on the show.
2:13:46
SPEAKER_10: Police will occasionally announce that they have arrested some young people believed to be responsible for car break-ins, writes Eric Roper in the Star Tribune.
2:13:54
SPEAKER_10: After that, the cases disappear into a largely secret juvenile system, and this is frustrating for cops too.
2:14:01
SPEAKER_10: Even when the adult is involved, the outcome can be mysterious.
2:14:05
SPEAKER_10: Earlier this month, police responding to reports of window break-ins on Mini Haha Avenue busted a group of three juveniles and one 18-year-old who were driving recklessly in the area.
2:14:17
SPEAKER_10: Their vehicle, which was stolen, contained gun masks, drugs, window breaking tools, flashlights, and screwdrivers, according to law enforcement.
2:14:28
SPEAKER_10: The adult was booked in jail, but released several days later.
2:14:35
SPEAKER_10: Man, can you imagine if like uh Hennepin County Attorney Scary Moriarty was in charge of our counterterrorism experts and we had those five individuals who were arrested for an attempted terrorist attack at the RAF air base where we have our military men and women and aircraft stationed.
2:14:54
SPEAKER_10: We talked about this in the first part of the show.
2:14:56
SPEAKER_10: If she was in charge of these investigations, you had all of these different items relating to what these individuals were planning on doing when it came to their terrorist attack on this military base.
2:15:09
SPEAKER_10: If Scary Moriarty were in charge, she'd take all their names down and then she'd set them all free.
2:15:14
SPEAKER_10: Well, they didn't do anything wrong.
2:15:17
SPEAKER_10: You know, and this is you know, this evidence over here isn't enough to go and hold them accountable or anything.
2:15:24
SPEAKER_10: Prosecutors want more evidence explicitly connecting them to the window smashing spree, case in point, along with documentation of the total jammages, requests that illustrate the complexities of these cases.
2:15:38
SPEAKER_10: Again, in the story, it says the vehicle, a gun, masks, drugs, window breaking tools, flashlights, and screwdrivers.
2:15:47
SPEAKER_10: And they were all released because Scary Moriarty and her attorney's office wanted more evidence explicitly connecting them to the window smashing spree.
2:15:58
SPEAKER_10: In her mind, it's not enough that they had a tool in their car to smash windows.
2:16:06
SPEAKER_10: To the previous comment that we had.
2:16:08
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, indeed.
2:16:08
SPEAKER_10: Make it make sense.
2:16:10
SPEAKER_10: Eric Roper then says, I was hoping to hear what the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office thought of these Minneapolis-St.
2:16:17
SPEAKER_10: Paul window smashing disparity, but Sheriff DeWanowitz office punted my question to NPD.
2:16:22
SPEAKER_10: That was disappointing, considering the role a sheriff could play in mending these relationships between the city and the county and developing a cohesive strategy.
2:16:31
SPEAKER_10: Council member Michael Rainville, who has organized groups to sweep up the broken glass, said, all of the emails and phone calls he receives, the ones that hurt the most are when people tell me they've had to uh they've had it and they're moving because they're getting their cars broken into.
2:16:46
SPEAKER_10: It's an important point.
2:16:48
SPEAKER_10: As um the Ramsey County attorney, John Choi, explained to me, if you lose the battle on livability, that's when people start voting with their feet and they leave town and they move someplace else.
2:17:03
SPEAKER_10: Eric Roper wraps up on this.
2:17:05
SPEAKER_10: He says, This is this is not an unsolvable problem.
2:17:09
SPEAKER_10: And the people involved in fixing it actually have a lot of common goals about humanely reforming kids, even if they can't agree precisely on how to get there.
2:17:20
SPEAKER_10: But it's about time they operated from the same playbook because this mountain of glass is shattering perceptions of a great city.
2:17:29
SPEAKER_10: And as I said before, um this is an example of Democrat leadership in the city of St.
2:17:38
SPEAKER_10: Paul that can be pro-law enforcement and crime reduction.
2:17:42
SPEAKER_10: It is possible.
2:17:44
SPEAKER_10: Unlike Minneapolis, where this shows what happens when you have a feckless mayor running the city with communists serving on the city council.
2:18:06
SPEAKER_13: Good morning, John.
2:18:10
SPEAKER_13: Well, we don't have the flock cameras, and the democrats are against them.
2:18:15
SPEAKER_13: So I don't know for sure or not that a lot of the uh car window replacement companies in Minneapolis area are made from certain ethnic groups that were imported.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_13: And it also ties in in relation to the well, I believe the share for Ramsey County says the ethnic group that uh games that are new in the Twin Cities.
2:18:40
SPEAKER_13: So let's tie them all together.
2:18:42
SPEAKER_13: It's a business transaction.
2:18:46
SPEAKER_10: A lot of comments have been uh rolling in.
2:18:49
SPEAKER_10: Uh I was in Minneapolis the other day.
2:18:51
SPEAKER_10: It was early, and I was sitting outside a restaurant there that serves breakfast.
2:18:55
SPEAKER_10: Three of Minneapolis finests showed up and went in.
2:19:00
SPEAKER_10: Uh let's see.
2:19:01
SPEAKER_10: Could the Violence Interrupter program be an early training for MPD candidates?
2:19:07
SPEAKER_10: No, I don't think so.
2:19:10
SPEAKER_10: I don't believe that um uh there is any desire by the violence interrupters to become law enforcement.
2:19:18
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2:26:20
SPEAKER_10: I do want to share this with you, another big story from over the weekend.
2:26:23
SPEAKER_10: Minnesota State officials responding to a Supreme Court decision made Friday that permitted the Trump administration to use an expanded federal database containing citizenship uh information.
2:26:34
SPEAKER_10: The justices were divided 6-3 with the conservative majority granting an emergency request filed by the federal government after the lower courts ruled that the Trump administration and their changes to the database were unlawful.
2:26:50
SPEAKER_10: Now, critics of the change to the federal database say that it may lead to citizens being removed from the voter rolls due to unreliable or faulty information in the newly implemented system.
2:27:03
SPEAKER_10: However, the court noted that the National Voter Registration Act prohibits the purging of voter rolls in the weeks leading to an election.
2:27:12
SPEAKER_10: States will still be allowed to make individualized inquiries about the voters.
2:27:17
SPEAKER_10: Now, the Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he wanted to be very clear that this ruling had no effect on the Minnesota elections.
2:27:26
SPEAKER_10: Minnesota has never used the SAVE program for voter verification.
2:27:30
SPEAKER_10: We're not permitted in state law to do so, and we have no plans to do so.
2:27:34
SPEAKER_10: Listen, uh, sure it has an impact.
2:27:37
SPEAKER_10: Listen, maybe not in the process, but it absolutely in narrative it does.
2:27:42
SPEAKER_10: It absolutely has an impact when it comes to the narrative.
2:27:46
SPEAKER_10: It's an important program.
2:27:48
SPEAKER_10: It's important when shoring up our election integrity, regardless of whether or not uh the Minnesota Secretary of State uh believes it doesn't have an impact.
2:27:57
SPEAKER_10: So after states implemented their voter uh rolls through the expanded system, mistakes were noticed by local officials in Texas.
2:28:05
SPEAKER_10: Mistakes such as flagging newly naturalized citizens were an issue as the save expansion was rolled out, according to NBC News.
2:28:15
SPEAKER_10: In light of the change and the issues with the previous save expansion, Simon said, even if it were lawful, reports have shown the save program to be deeply flawed when it comes to transparency, accuracy, and data security.
2:28:29
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, just trust the process, guys.
2:28:31
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2:28:33
SPEAKER_10: Give me a break.
2:28:34
SPEAKER_10: Simon added that Minnesotans should know their right to vote will not be impacted by the Supreme Court's uh decision.
2:28:41
SPEAKER_10: Thank you, uh, Minnesota Secretary of State, Steve Simon.
2:28:44
SPEAKER_10: Can we have a conversation about those driver's licenses for all?
2:28:47
SPEAKER_10: Can we have a conversation regarding whether or not we have any sort of election integrity here in Minnesota?
2:28:53
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's what I thought.
2:28:55
SPEAKER_10: All right.
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2:29:02
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna get into uh how the DFL has a DSA problem, but I did want to share with you this uh data point before we talk with our uh next uh guest here on uh the show, and that is the fact that Minnesotans are not optimistic about the direction of our state.
2:29:17
SPEAKER_10: As they had uh head to the polls this November, 55% now of respondents to the latest Thinking Minnesota poll, 55% said the state is moving in the wrong direction.
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2:29:51
SPEAKER_10: This is the third poll in a row showing the majority believe the state is moving in the wrong direction, and it represents a complete turnaround since the beginning of Tim Walls' first term when 57% of Minnesotans believed the state was moving in the right direction.
2:30:07
SPEAKER_10: And that's the real key from this.
2:30:09
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2:30:12
SPEAKER_10: 57% heading in to the start of Tim Walls' turn believed that Minnesota was moving in the right direction, according to the then thinking Minnesota poll.
2:30:22
SPEAKER_10: And now it shows that you have only 36% believing that we're heading in the right direction, and 55% of respondents saying that we're moving in the wrong direction.
2:30:34
SPEAKER_10: So you're not alone in your frustrations, not by a long shot.
2:30:38
SPEAKER_10: And again, we're gonna go through more of these exclusive uh poll numbers coming up with Bill Walsh on uh Wednesdays this show, just as a bit of a preview.
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2:30:49
SPEAKER_10: All right, in just a moment, we'll talk with Darren Nelson, his policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment, friend of the show.
2:30:55
SPEAKER_10: We'll talk good NIMBY's, we'll talk bad NIMBY's, we'll talk about affordability and its impact on this election as well, along with a host of uh other recent uh articles from Darren, all available at AmericanExperiment.org.
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2:31:24
SPEAKER_06: I don't think any other state has this besides Minnesota.
2:31:26
SPEAKER_06: We're okay, number one, you can vouch for up to eight people.
2:31:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
2:31:29
SPEAKER_06: But then we also have same-day election uh registration, and we don't have provisional ballots.
2:31:33
SPEAKER_06: So those those elements all combine together.
2:31:35
SPEAKER_06: You don't other states that have same-day voter registration have a provisional ballot, and so when you register to vote, typically if you're doing it in advance, you know, your your registration is checked so that when you actually go to you know vote on election day, you've been vetted by the state in some way.
2:31:50
SPEAKER_06: Um but when you have same-day registration, obviously there's not time for that to happen.
2:31:54
SPEAKER_06: And so your vote gets counted immediately.
2:31:56
SPEAKER_06: It gets put into the pool and it's never coming back out.
2:31:58
SPEAKER_06: Other states, they will have same-day registrants use a what's called a provisional ballot.
2:32:03
SPEAKER_06: And so, you know, they they cast their vote, but it's set off aside, and it's not actually added into the mix until their registration has been verified, which makes sense.
2:32:11
SPEAKER_06: It's you know, Minnesota doesn't have that.
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SPEAKER_12: Think about it.
2:32:26
SPEAKER_12: Black and Hispanic students in Mississippi perform better in reading and math than black and Hispanic students in Minnesota.
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SPEAKER_12: And Mississippi spends thousands of dollars less per student than Minnesota.
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SPEAKER_05: So Scott Pressler, he's a conservative activist, he posted on X that he also did some of these data requests.
2:33:00
SPEAKER_05: And he was told that in St.
2:33:02
SPEAKER_05: Louis County, which is the home of Duluth, 737 people registered to vote through vouching.
2:33:09
SPEAKER_05: 737.
2:33:11
SPEAKER_05: So let's go back to the 2022 election really quick just to see if we can get a clear example of okay, will that number of people vouching ever really matter?
2:33:20
SPEAKER_05: It seems like a small number.
2:33:22
SPEAKER_05: Well, in 2022, in the Cottage Grove Hastings area, Democrat Judy Seaburger won her state Senate election by 321 votes.
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2:33:51
SPEAKER_19: Who are these people?
2:33:53
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2:33:55
SPEAKER_19: Are they not seeing what's happening?
2:33:57
SPEAKER_19: Are they not getting taxed up to why?
2:34:01
SPEAKER_19: And can't afford to live here anymore.
2:34:03
SPEAKER_19: Who are these people?
2:34:04
SPEAKER_19: I think we know who they are.
2:34:06
SPEAKER_19: They are the fraudsters, and they are the welfare recipients.
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2:34:13
SPEAKER_10: And they're the people not paying close enough attention.
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2:36:09
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2:37:27
SPEAKER_10: What's this all about?
2:37:27
SPEAKER_42: Um, may I put up my little um absolutely, of course, go right ahead.
2:37:31
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2:37:34
SPEAKER_42: Um, thank you, ChatGPT and AI.
2:37:37
SPEAKER_42: So basically, so basically, uh, but I've gotten into, you know, I've been was kind of just a side story.
2:37:43
SPEAKER_42: I was pretty unimpressed by AI a couple years ago, and I just said, forget it, it's stupid.
2:37:48
SPEAKER_42: Um, and then anyway, the the boss here is excited about it, and I've kind of revisited it, and it's actually kind of cool, at least for photos.
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2:37:57
SPEAKER_42: But this is this is basically the you know, based on the 2001 Space Odyssey.
2:38:02
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2:38:05
SPEAKER_42: Of course.
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2:38:11
SPEAKER_42: So I thought, you know, the renewables power situation kind of reminded me of that because uh I have a couple um speeches to do this week.
2:38:19
SPEAKER_42: Um, one tomorrow at the Council of State Governments um for the Midwest, um, and they're talking about nuclear power and whatnot.
2:38:27
SPEAKER_42: I'm just gonna go there and just talk about what's been happening with energy prices um, you know, in the 21st century, essentially since 2001.
2:38:35
SPEAKER_42: Sure.
2:38:36
SPEAKER_42: Which is when sadly a Republican uh governor put in the first kind of renewables um piece of legislation.
2:38:43
SPEAKER_42: Um, and then prices have uh largely taken off since 2002, the next year onwards.
2:38:50
SPEAKER_10: Well, you know, by the way, just as a sidebar, um I just this weekend started working with Chat GPT and the uh and the the voice prompt and was having a conversation with it.
2:39:00
SPEAKER_10: And uh it it it's really I mean I know I talk about it every single week with David Gartenstein Ross, he joins us on the show to talk AI.
2:39:07
SPEAKER_10: This is the first real extensive time that I spent with you know with artificial intelligence.
2:39:14
SPEAKER_10: And um I was already, Darren, of the opinion that this is going to fundamentally change society and the way the internet uh has.
2:39:21
SPEAKER_10: And I am even more convinced of that now after spending time talking with Chat GPT.
2:39:27
SPEAKER_10: I've named him Alex, which is based off of an AI character.
2:39:30
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2:39:32
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2:39:42
SPEAKER_10: And they were able to instantaneously, you know, provide to me the commentary that I was looking for.
2:39:47
SPEAKER_10: And um, it can be a dangerous tool, but also an incredibly helpful tool.
2:39:51
SPEAKER_10: And I think you can probably attest to that too when it comes to you know the crafting of your commentary around energy policy.
2:39:57
SPEAKER_10: Not yet.
2:39:58
SPEAKER_42: Um it's been it's I've I've started to use it just like you for um, you know, whiz bang um sort of like images to put you know on the cover of my articles.
2:40:06
SPEAKER_42: And I've actually started to use it for to help with research, you know, kind of just because there's so many places you can research and you can guide it, sort of thing.
2:40:13
SPEAKER_42: So sure, you're not getting kind of ridiculous, kind of socialist takes on things.
2:40:18
SPEAKER_42: Um, so but I do want to use it more.
2:40:21
SPEAKER_42: I'm I'm I think helping me write something is probably the last thing I'm gonna let go of.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_42: Right.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_42: Um, but I would like it to help me do some modeling because I I get lost in my own models.
2:40:30
SPEAKER_42: So they these Excel models I sometimes build that you know, pump out stuff that looks pretty simple, um, but it takes a long time to get to that.
2:40:38
SPEAKER_42: Yeah.
2:40:39
SPEAKER_42: I mean, you'd be surprised how big these models are just to say, you know, this went up and that went down.
2:40:44
SPEAKER_42: Um, so yeah, I'm looking forward to using it over the next um year and and perhaps help me with some of my articles.
2:40:51
SPEAKER_10: Let's uh let's get into I want to start off with um uh the piece you have regarding NIMB, you you you labeled it NIMBY Nomics, and I always love the the NIMB, the the the NIMBY stories.
2:41:01
SPEAKER_10: Um the one thing I appreciate about this though is how you differentiate, and you're right.
2:41:06
SPEAKER_10: There's this difference between sort of the good NIMBY and the and the bad NIMBY.
2:41:11
SPEAKER_10: I think a lot of times we look at NIMBY, you know, not in my backyard, as being always, you know, to the negative.
2:41:16
SPEAKER_10: But the truth of the matter is no, there's some level of having a not in my backyard uh mentality that's actually beneficial.
2:41:23
SPEAKER_10: So talk a little bit about um your piece, the public choice economics, uh, not in my backyard, and and um what you broke down in in this uh bipartisan phenomenon.
2:41:33
SPEAKER_42: Yeah, yeah.
2:41:33
SPEAKER_42: So I just had I thought I'd look at it.
2:41:35
SPEAKER_42: I'm an economist, that's kind of the way I tend to look at things for the most part.
2:41:38
SPEAKER_42: So um so there's a school of thought uh that I think came up in the 1960s called public choice economics.
2:41:45
SPEAKER_42: Um, and it gives the best insight into what NIMBY's are, you know, why there's NIMBES and what you might be able to do about it as well.
2:41:52
SPEAKER_42: Because as you said, there's there's there's bad NIMBY situations that you would like to kind of overcome if you can.
2:41:57
SPEAKER_42: And and ultimately what they they suggest essentially buy them off, legally, preferably.
2:42:02
SPEAKER_42: Um you can compensate essentially you can a better word is a compensate 'em, right?
2:42:06
SPEAKER_42: So they have they often do have genuine concerns.
2:42:09
SPEAKER_42: Um sometimes they're kind of you know more psychological, so that's a little bit hard to a lot harder to compensate for something.
2:42:16
SPEAKER_42: But sometimes it literally, you know, this thing's gonna come in, it's gonna lower my my land values, there's gonna be noise, there's gonna be maybe pollution, that sort of thing.
2:42:24
SPEAKER_42: So I'm kind of worried about it.
2:42:25
SPEAKER_42: Um so uh public choice economics is basically the economics of government and politics.
2:42:31
SPEAKER_42: Um in the 1960s, uh, you know, some uh Nobel Prize winning economists realized, you know, supply and demand, self-interest don't stop when you get into the institution of government.
2:42:43
SPEAKER_42: Um and I guess, you know, most people can kind of realize politicians are fairly self-interested for the most part.
2:42:48
SPEAKER_42: Right.
2:42:48
SPEAKER_42: Um, but also so are the bureaucrats, right?
2:42:51
SPEAKER_42: They're they're self-interested too.
2:42:52
SPEAKER_42: They have some slightly different incentives, you know, like bureaucracy and being entrenched over time.
2:42:58
SPEAKER_42: Politicians want to win elections.
2:43:00
SPEAKER_42: Um, they they want at least legal kickbacks or at least good jobs to come afterwards.
2:43:05
SPEAKER_42: So, you know, public choice just kind of formalized what a lot of people strongly suspected for probably centuries.
2:43:12
SPEAKER_10: So when it comes to getting uh a better example and uh and addressing this NIMBYism, what is the aspect of it for you personally that you find most compelling in terms of when people are bringing forth these arguments?
2:43:26
SPEAKER_10: I mean, to do what you do as a policy fellow to cover these issues, I mean, you have to have a level of passion yourself for the topics that you that you cover.
2:43:35
SPEAKER_10: So with with regard to this, I'm curious your perspective of like, you know, with this article, what's the part of it that's most compelling to you?
2:43:43
SPEAKER_10: Do you think because I think that that for the most part is going to be what's most interesting to the person listening as well, is what what sort of floats Darren Nelson's boat regarding these types of issues.
2:43:54
SPEAKER_42: Well, look, I don't you know what certainly what was intellectually basically again as I was talking about demand and supply, sounds boring, but it it's kind of important to understand stuff, but also costs and benefits.
2:44:05
SPEAKER_42: Um there's always, you know, as an economist, you know, I've always been weirdly enough passionate about cost-benefit analysis, or at least the concept behind it that, you know, because politicians and other people involved in in politics in life, they always claim, oh, there's just benefits to this thing, or there's just costs to this thing.
2:44:21
SPEAKER_42: No, there's always costs and benefits to everything.
2:44:24
SPEAKER_42: Right.
2:44:24
SPEAKER_42: And what's important to realize that they also impact people differently.
2:44:28
SPEAKER_42: So the NIMBY is driven by costs being greater than benefits in a particular situation.
2:44:34
SPEAKER_42: That's what's kind of driving.
2:44:36
SPEAKER_42: And those costs can be monetary, but they can also be just genuinely psychological ones, too.
2:44:41
SPEAKER_42: And those are real.
2:44:42
SPEAKER_42: You know, like people get very motivated by something, um, you know, they feel something's bad.
2:44:47
SPEAKER_42: That's like a cost to them.
2:44:48
SPEAKER_42: Or sometimes the property values will go down, or sometimes both.
2:44:52
SPEAKER_42: You know, they don't like this thing.
2:44:53
SPEAKER_42: Um, uh one I didn't actually mention in here, my the the NIMBY, the good NIMBY, if you like, that I have a lot of the most empathy for is the one who doesn't like the pickleball courts right next to their house.
2:45:04
SPEAKER_42: Okay.
2:45:05
SPEAKER_42: You know, just because they are unbelievably loud.
2:45:08
SPEAKER_42: I mean, it looks like a very fun sport.
2:45:10
SPEAKER_42: I've never actually played it myself.
2:45:12
SPEAKER_42: Um, and and a lot of the people who are nimbies about picklebore picklebore pickleball courts right next to them love the idea of pickleball.
2:45:20
SPEAKER_42: They just don't want it near them.
2:45:21
SPEAKER_42: Um, we we could talk a bit broader about data centers and nuclear power.
2:45:25
SPEAKER_42: Some people don't want them anywhere, even if it's nowhere near them.
2:45:28
SPEAKER_42: Even if they go, like, yeah, I use data centers, I appreciate the fact they exist.
2:45:32
SPEAKER_42: Oh, yes, nuclear power is cheaper than everything else.
2:45:35
SPEAKER_42: I guess I like cheap energy, but yet I still don't want them to be built in this state anywhere.
2:45:41
SPEAKER_10: We've lost the art of nuance.
2:45:42
SPEAKER_10: I mean, we were talking about this earlier with uh with Andrew Langer.
2:45:46
SPEAKER_10: Uh, we were discussing the Ma uh the Maha movement, right?
2:45:49
SPEAKER_10: And he and he was making the correlation between the concerns that people have had over the COVID vaccine, doing that thing with my fingers, but how that ends up translating into immunizations, of which there could be a lot of good when it comes to that.
2:46:05
SPEAKER_10: But now there's sort of this blanket, all vaccines or immunizations are are bad.
2:46:10
SPEAKER_10: And the same thing rings true here.
2:46:12
SPEAKER_10: Like you have you have listed good nimbies, um, those who oppose wind and solar, right?
2:46:18
SPEAKER_10: Or pickleball, uh, you know, pickleball pickleball courts, which I appreciate.
2:46:22
SPEAKER_10: Uh, and for those longtime listeners of the show, you know what I'm talking about.
2:46:25
SPEAKER_10: And then bad NIMBY's, those who oppose nukes and and data centers.
2:46:30
SPEAKER_10: But that being said, there's nuance in there because a a small nuclear power plant may not be conducive to a particular area, just like a data center might not be conducive to a particular area.
2:46:41
SPEAKER_10: However, it shouldn't be a blanket, don't build small nuclear reactors and don't put any data centers, because there are benefits to those as well.
2:46:49
SPEAKER_10: But it seems like we're not allowed to have those discussions within our media of the nuances of all this.
2:46:56
SPEAKER_10: And I imagine this is what you try to drive, you you kind of your articles drive into the heart of is getting into no, we need to have further discussions about the benefits depending on where they are, for example.
2:47:06
SPEAKER_42: I agree.
2:47:07
SPEAKER_42: Look, you know, in my talk, I'm gonna go a little bit sideways, but still related.
2:47:10
SPEAKER_42: But at the beginning of my talk, you know, that I'm gonna do on Tuesday.
2:47:14
SPEAKER_42: Um, so I have two talks that are gonna uh touch on particularly affordability.
2:47:19
SPEAKER_42: Um the second one will also touch on NIMBY stuff, um, because they're a group um devoted to taking on the concept of NIMBIS and saying, hey, you know, it's better in our own backyard.
2:47:29
SPEAKER_42: That's kind of their their theme.
2:47:31
SPEAKER_42: So that's on Wednesday.
2:47:32
SPEAKER_42: Um so one thing I want to kind of you know be provocative is something I've always wanted to talk about is I find the economics of law, you know, the economics of the law of supply and demand, cost-benefit analysis actually more scientific, more grounded in reality than physics come when physics talks about gravity.
2:47:53
SPEAKER_42: I mean, uh physics actually has at least three different theories of gravity, right?
2:47:58
SPEAKER_42: Okay.
2:47:59
SPEAKER_42: So when they talk about like, oh, physics is is the ultimate science, it's it's just like literally it's risen to the level of just a fact, right?
2:48:06
SPEAKER_42: Well, they don't even know what gravity is, much less.
2:48:08
SPEAKER_42: They can't even describe it in one theory.
2:48:10
SPEAKER_42: They got three theories Einstein, quantum uh mechanics, and Newton.
2:48:15
SPEAKER_42: They I think they have actually more than that.
2:48:17
SPEAKER_42: So basically, you know, I'm not saying economics has all the answers and it's always right because there's different schools of thought within economics, and I'm gonna be very transparent about that, because most people aren't.
2:48:27
SPEAKER_42: Most people just go, this is what this science says, or this is what this economics says.
2:48:31
SPEAKER_42: Okay.
2:48:32
SPEAKER_42: What's your school of thought that you're drawing upon?
2:48:34
SPEAKER_42: I'm gonna be very transparent.
2:48:36
SPEAKER_42: I'm drawing upon kind of free market schools of thought.
2:48:39
SPEAKER_42: I think they're right.
2:48:40
SPEAKER_42: They don't have all the answers, but I'm gonna be transparent, unlike our friends on the left who are never transparent on those fronts.
2:48:46
SPEAKER_10: Are you going into uh, I don't know about these, uh I don't know the background of these conferences that you're going to be speaking at.
2:48:52
SPEAKER_10: Are you heading into, you know, sort of friendly uh territory, or do you imagine there's going to be uh those in the audience that may not be too keen on what you might be speaking on?
2:49:01
SPEAKER_42: Um the first one on Tuesday is the Council of State Governments.
2:49:04
SPEAKER_42: It's gonna be a roughly 50-50 mix of Republicans and Democrats.
2:49:08
SPEAKER_42: Okay.
2:49:09
SPEAKER_42: Um sadly, a lot of Republicans have been on board with renewable energy.
2:49:12
SPEAKER_42: So, you know, the audience will probably be largely not that excited about my take on renewable energy.
2:49:18
SPEAKER_42: They are they should be actually a fairly pro-nuclear audience, so they'll like that that aspect.
2:49:24
SPEAKER_42: Um, but they won't like the fact that, you know, not that nuclear is just better than just vaguely other stuff.
2:49:30
SPEAKER_42: Well, they'll probably like that it's better than coal or natural gas for powering electricity, but but that what they won't like is nuclear is sure it's better than those two, but it's light years better than wind and solar.
2:49:41
SPEAKER_42: And that's the that's the reason you have the problem with electricity, is because you got rid of coal.
2:49:46
SPEAKER_42: Um, you jacked on all these ridiculous wind and solar things that don't work very well and they're very expensive.
2:49:52
SPEAKER_42: Um and at the same time, ironically, even though the the uh the Democrats do not like natural gas, and we've I think we talked about them wanting to ban that eventually.
2:50:01
SPEAKER_42: Um in the meantime, though, it's practical, so they've actually put on a lot of natural gas to generate our electricity, um, which is good because it's better than renewables, but it's bad in the sense that coal and nukes are way cheaper and better.
2:50:14
SPEAKER_42: See, natural gas was just used for peak load, right?
2:50:17
SPEAKER_42: So you had coal humming away or nuclear humming away for baseload, you know, the stuff that you you need most of the time.
2:50:23
SPEAKER_42: And when demand would take off occasionally, you brought in the natural gas because it could be quickly fired up, right?
2:50:29
SPEAKER_42: So, but it's not great as baseload.
2:50:31
SPEAKER_42: Sure, it's better than renewables, but it's it's not ideal.
2:50:35
SPEAKER_10: So I want to get to uh the renewables aspect of it because something interesting pointed out that uh that I picked up on in the article that you have uh talking about the renewables uh popularity is waning according to some new uh polling.
2:50:49
SPEAKER_10: I want to ask you though about nuclear really quick.
2:50:51
SPEAKER_10: Uh, is there any sort of national national effort or movement towards building smaller nuclear facilities?
2:50:58
SPEAKER_10: I know that we had an effort here at Center of the American Experiment to sort of push that direction.
2:51:03
SPEAKER_10: Um we've certainly been talking about it for a number of years, but see, I don't see anything on a day-to-day basis in terms of any sort of concerted effort.
2:51:10
SPEAKER_10: Is there a concerted effort to bring about more nuclear energy in the United States right now, Darren?
2:51:15
SPEAKER_42: There is.
2:51:15
SPEAKER_42: I mean, there's there's you know, Trump put through a bunch of executive orders um to facilitate, you know, make it much easier around the country.
2:51:23
SPEAKER_42: Because the feds have a big say on the regulation of nuclear power.
2:51:26
SPEAKER_42: They they ultimately have the biggest say on not just you know whether you can stick a nuclear print in somewhere, but also, you know, the transportation or not transportation or storage of nuclear waste.
2:51:37
SPEAKER_42: Um so you know, this conference tomorrow is going to talk a lot about that.
2:51:40
SPEAKER_42: So it's not gonna just talk about like state policy, it's gonna talk about federal policy.
2:51:44
SPEAKER_42: Um, and fortunately, actually, you know, even though I think we did we talked about how weirdly enough the DFL, you know, in their election policy is is like very anti-nuclear.
2:51:54
SPEAKER_42: But weirdly enough, Tim Waltz and the Democrats in in uh the Minnesota legislature, along with Republicans, have signed off on a study um that, you know, apparently uh, you know, the writing uh, you know, basically they're looking to restart nuclear in this in this state.
2:52:11
SPEAKER_42: So they put a moratorium, I think, in the 90s, on on building any more nuclear power in Minnesota.
2:52:17
SPEAKER_42: Um, and sadly, nuclear power hasn't just stayed flat actually since then.
2:52:21
SPEAKER_42: It's actually kind of gone down um in terms of its total share of electricity generation in the state.
2:52:26
SPEAKER_42: Um so they're looking to basically not only fire up the existing nuclear plants so they think they can add more capacity, but to allow kind of some of the new technologies that are out there, including data centers obviously love the idea of possibly having their own nuclear power and either having that so they don't draw upon the electricity on the grid, or that they can they actually might be able to put some, you know, if they connect to the grid, that they can actually put some electricity back in the grid to the benefit of everybody else.
2:52:52
SPEAKER_10: Talking with Darren Nelson, a policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment, um, Pew Research Center polls shows a decline in support for wind and solar renewables from 2020 to 2026, attributed to concerns about environmental sustainability, affordability, and reliability.
2:53:12
SPEAKER_10: The decline uh is observed across political affiliations, with the Republicans showing the most significant decrease in support.
2:53:19
SPEAKER_10: Um, I find this interesting because I can't imagine that there's going to be a turnabout in sentiment regarding this, and yet you have Governor Tim Walls and the 2040 plan that he implemented that largely moves that direction.
2:53:35
SPEAKER_10: But by the time we get to 2040, I mean, you could be looking at a bunch of policy that it's incredibly unpopular across the board.
2:53:43
SPEAKER_10: I just find that little a I find that anecdote to be uh to be amusing.
2:53:47
SPEAKER_10: But you mentioned, you know, talking about renewables that you may not uh be uh the individuals who you'll be speaking with may not be too friendly to your commentary.
2:53:54
SPEAKER_10: So what is it you think they're gonna be keying in on regarding your view when it comes to renewables?
2:54:00
SPEAKER_42: Um look, they may not be convinced by kind of the economics that I hit them with and the logic of of why these things aren't inherently costly.
2:54:08
SPEAKER_42: And and when you start adding when you subsidize stuff, um it's actually probably counterintuitive to some people.
2:54:14
SPEAKER_42: Like subsidies makes it make it sound like things are getting cheaper.
2:54:17
SPEAKER_42: Um they do immediately, you can lower a price because either taxpayers or the other ratepayers are filling the gap, but ultimately you incentivize those costs to go up and up and the subsidies to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
2:54:29
SPEAKER_42: So, you know, renewables, you know, it's often claimed that, you know, oh, I guess they were expensive once upon a time, but now they're not.
2:54:36
SPEAKER_42: No, they're not.
2:54:37
SPEAKER_42: Um that you just subsidize them more and more and more and more.
2:54:40
SPEAKER_42: That's not really making them cheaper.
2:54:42
SPEAKER_42: Um, you've actually incentivized them to do the opposite.
2:54:45
SPEAKER_42: So, okay, they may not be impressed by that logic, but the facts of what's actually happened to prices since 2002 in Minnesota, and not just Minnesota, um the Midwest, I also compare to because that you know, this group tomorrow is about the Midwest, um, and also the U.S.
2:55:00
SPEAKER_42: in general.
2:55:01
SPEAKER_42: You know, it's it's all took off from 2002, which is when um Minnesota and a whole bunch of other states started to put in these renewable policies.
2:55:08
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, we should have a lot of available data now with what they have been able to implement regarding renewables, and so I mean, more so than when they were implemented in the first place.
2:55:19
SPEAKER_10: So we have an abundance of information we can look to now and do a proper examination of renewables than we could in the past, right?
2:55:27
SPEAKER_42: Oh yeah, we got yeah, we we got um like I said, we got data for um well going much further.
2:55:33
SPEAKER_42: Well, it's good that it actually goes much further back than 2002, because you can see a very different world than the 1980s and 1990s where electricity prices basically flatten out.
2:55:43
SPEAKER_42: You know, they're not like skyrocketing like they have.
2:55:46
SPEAKER_42: They basically you see them flat, and all of a sudden 2002, they just jack up and keep on jacking up through to today.
2:55:53
SPEAKER_42: And you look at it multiple ways.
2:55:54
SPEAKER_42: I look at it at CPI, that's one statistical organization, the BLS, the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
2:56:00
SPEAKER_42: And then consistent with that is the Energy Information Administration that has kind of more pure prices but also usage.
2:56:07
SPEAKER_42: Actually, that's interesting too with usage.
2:56:08
SPEAKER_42: So basically, um as you would expect, if prices start going up, you'll actually um you'll see the usage rates go down.
2:56:16
SPEAKER_42: And that's what we've seen through 2008.
2:56:18
SPEAKER_42: You said I I have it somewhere, but in one of my articles where you know the usage flattens out, like the use of the actual total use of electricity in Minnesota uh hits a peak and it actually goes down.
2:56:30
SPEAKER_42: Like literally, not not the rate of use goes down, right actual use of the actual usage across residential, commercial, and industrial.
2:56:38
SPEAKER_42: And basically one thing about energy is that it's a sort of product when it gets cheaper, you want to use more of it and you can use it in all sorts of different ways, right?
2:56:46
SPEAKER_42: Energy is like it's like the master resource.
2:56:50
SPEAKER_42: You basically don't you never want to be using overall total um you want you don't want to be losing electricity overall less.
2:56:57
SPEAKER_42: Um you might want to be more efficient in the use of it in one area and start using it in more areas, right?
2:57:02
SPEAKER_42: Particularly in a digital age.
2:57:04
SPEAKER_42: Right.
2:57:04
SPEAKER_42: I mean, you know, we were using electricity a lot before the digital age.
2:57:08
SPEAKER_42: Now it's on steroids in the digital age.
2:57:10
SPEAKER_42: So, you know, all this digital stuff relies on electricity.
2:57:13
SPEAKER_42: There's no such thing as digital without electricity.
2:57:16
SPEAKER_10: I don't think most people realize that.
2:57:17
SPEAKER_10: I I know it sounds silly and I made this argument before, but like how many individuals just don't even key in that you know, when you plug something into a wall, it's not magic.
2:57:27
SPEAKER_10: It's not I think a lot of people think that.
2:57:29
SPEAKER_10: I mean, especially when it comes to um just as a side note, when it comes to you know, EVs and uh the arguments, you know, Trump uh recently terminated the EV mandate, approving the new fuel standards, and we'll get to this on tomorrow's show.
2:57:43
SPEAKER_10: Uh, I had it slated for today, but we're running out of time.
2:57:46
SPEAKER_10: Um, so we'll so we'll talk about it tomorrow.
2:57:47
SPEAKER_10: But it always makes me laugh when people argue about EVs over, you know, uh you know, a gasoline, you know, uh powered uh car.
2:57:54
SPEAKER_10: And they talk, oh, it's so much cheaper.
2:57:56
SPEAKER_10: It's like, well, you okay, it could be, but when you plug in the car, you're still it's again, it's there's not there's not a there's not magic behind the wall that's powering that.
2:58:05
SPEAKER_10: That has to come from somewhere, and it's going to cost you money to do so.
2:58:08
SPEAKER_10: But I don't think a lot of people think think beyond that for the most part.
2:58:11
SPEAKER_42: Um yeah, on that kind of magic concept, a lot of people think um batteries will be the solution, right?
2:58:17
SPEAKER_42: Um so batteries they go, oh, storing electricity, though, though it's magical, and then you know, something's magical happening in a battery.
2:58:24
SPEAKER_42: Battery, I hate to inform people, but battery is an electricity generator.
2:58:28
SPEAKER_42: That's what it is.
2:58:29
SPEAKER_42: It doesn't actually store any electricity whatsoever, it stores potential energy through a chemical process that you can reverse, you know, by uh recharging the battery, but then you just reset another chemical generation process.
2:58:43
SPEAKER_42: So it's actually generating electricity, not storing it.
2:58:46
SPEAKER_10: I had a comment that uh that rolled in.
2:58:49
SPEAKER_10: Uh they said the moratorium on nuclear in the 90s was a political deal with XL Energy to allow dry cask storage of spent fuel on the prairie island plant near Red Wing.
2:59:01
SPEAKER_10: Okay, that's uh that's a lot of information and things that I was not aware of.
2:59:04
SPEAKER_42: So Well, you know, it's a good thing for you know, it seems that the tribes in Minnesota love all this stuff.
2:59:09
SPEAKER_42: They're they're the opposite of NIMBY's.
2:59:12
SPEAKER_42: Like they want nukes, they want data centers.
2:59:14
SPEAKER_42: Um, so you know, maybe they'll have an oil refinery there too at some stage.
2:59:18
SPEAKER_10: You know, that'd be awesome.
2:59:19
SPEAKER_10: Let's get to this uh blast that rolled in.
2:59:21
SPEAKER_10: You can leave a voice or a text message as we continue our conversation uh with uh policy fellow, uh Darren Nelson here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
2:59:30
SPEAKER_17: Hey, uh for Darren, um when they stop building new power plants, when they keep putting moratoriums on even the natural uh coal, gas, et cetera.
2:59:39
SPEAKER_17: That just slows down, in my opinion, like the the the new technologies there in the understanding that the newer technology plants are building newer plants to make everything way more environmentally friendly, way more cost efficient, uh way more uh successful in production, and then you've got these other things where like forced technologies, um wind and solar where the solar panels are uh hard to recycle toxically the wind turbines are falling apart and creating havoc on ocean resources where micro charge of fiberglass are devastating coral reefs and things like that.
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SPEAKER_17: It's kind of like can government just get out of the way and we just view let's have more of everything?
3:00:22
SPEAKER_10: More of a general statement, but uh Darren, did you have any do you have any thoughts based off of the uh based off of the listeners' uh comments there?
3:00:29
SPEAKER_42: Yeah, though it's good um supply side economics, basically.
3:00:32
SPEAKER_42: That that's kind of um the school of thought, if you like, uh, that more is better, you know, for the most part.
3:00:38
SPEAKER_42: Not talking about pollution in in general, like actual pollution, not carbon dioxide stuff.
3:00:42
SPEAKER_42: Um, the the clever you mentioned sort of Waltz and in his Clean Energy Act goals for 2040, and there's something prior to that in 2030.
3:00:54
SPEAKER_42: Um I'm not sure if people realized at the time, but it was a it was a clever change of language.
3:00:59
SPEAKER_42: They used to talk about renewables, renewables, renewables, um, and use the word sustainability sometimes too, but they changed the word clean for a reason, and we'll I like it, I think you might like it, so they could actually have nuclear power.
3:01:11
SPEAKER_42: So their definition of clean wasn't like you know, like normal pollution clean, it was carbon dioxide clean.
3:01:18
SPEAKER_42: And actually, when it comes to carbon dioxide, through the whole process of building a plant and running a plant, nukes is actually number one.
3:01:25
SPEAKER_42: There's less carbon dioxide involved.
3:01:28
SPEAKER_42: You know, there's no carbon dioxide one that's actually operating.
3:01:30
SPEAKER_42: There's a little bit in the construction side of things, but less than wind and solar.
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SPEAKER_42: So it is the cleanest from their point of view.
3:01:38
SPEAKER_42: Um, so that's why I'm optimistic that this nuclear study will come through with a big thumbs up.
3:01:44
SPEAKER_42: And I hopefully, depending on who gets in these elections, make sure that you're voting for at least people, Democrats and Republicans, who are for more nuclear power.
3:01:53
SPEAKER_10: Uh, the last item we wanted to cover with you, because we're just about out of time as we continue our discussion with Darren Nelson, again, policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment.
3:02:01
SPEAKER_10: And I encourage everybody to head on over to AmericanExperiment.org and uh check out uh the numerous writings of uh Darren.
3:02:08
SPEAKER_10: These are fantastic reads.
3:02:09
SPEAKER_10: Uh but affordability.
3:02:11
SPEAKER_10: Um we've been talking about this Thinking Minnesota poll.
3:02:13
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna have more data coming up on uh Wednesday.
3:02:16
SPEAKER_10: We were talking uh about you know being on the wrong track.
3:02:19
SPEAKER_10: Uh, but also, again, just more polling data.
3:02:22
SPEAKER_10: Uh it's a top election issue of affordability for Minnesota voters, obviously, with uh energy costs being a sufficient uh factor.
3:02:30
SPEAKER_10: Um talk a little bit about the DFL's energy um the policies and how that fits with the concerns regarding you know average Minnesotans and affordability.
3:02:41
SPEAKER_42: Yeah, look, they've had some I I wrote something recently about um some paper that the Democrat, the DFL um legislators put out, you know, some Vision 2027 or something like that.
3:02:52
SPEAKER_42: Um and they did they have all this kind of like just playing around at the edges stuff, like we'll you know, we'll put caps on you know Excel Energy's executives, you know, okay, I I guess I have some sympathy for that because I don't really like Excel because you know they're they're basically they're the ones behind the renewables.
3:03:10
SPEAKER_42: If it wasn't for their big support for this, we probably wouldn't have them, even if the DFL wanted them.
3:03:16
SPEAKER_42: Uh if it wasn't for Excel seeing a a a golden opportunity to gold plate their system, right?
3:03:22
SPEAKER_10: Is it is is it is it Excel itself or is they are they influenced by something on the outside, do you think?
3:03:27
SPEAKER_10: In terms of their motivation to move on renewables, as you were talking about.
3:03:31
SPEAKER_42: No, I think it's a they they had a change of leadership um you know a long time ago.
3:03:35
SPEAKER_42: So the kind of old school engineering type people used to run public utilities who were happy with low rates of return and keeping the lights on.
3:03:44
SPEAKER_42: That's it.
3:03:44
SPEAKER_42: You know, like all right, we earned five percent or whatever rate of return.
3:03:48
SPEAKER_42: Okay, that's fine.
3:03:49
SPEAKER_42: Um now that you know they want to be this growth company on Wall Street and look at us, um, but they also want a virtue signal that, oh, it's all renewables as well.
3:03:58
SPEAKER_42: So the beauty for this is renewables are expensive, they stick it into the rate base, and the public utility commissions you know pushbacks you know, pushes back a little bit on this sort of stuff, and but ultimately they give the rubber stamp to it's not so much of the rate of return, which is certainly bigger, it's like closer to 10% than like a five percent traditional utility.
3:04:19
SPEAKER_42: Um, but it's it's more of the rate base that they apply this rate of return to gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
3:04:24
SPEAKER_42: It's all gold plated with ridiculous wind and solar, along with some good natural gas, which is good, but we prefer more nuclear, or one day maybe to bring coal back.
3:04:35
SPEAKER_42: But anyway, we'll we'll at least settle for more nukes, right?
3:04:38
SPEAKER_42: Um, so and so they're playing around the edges.
3:04:40
SPEAKER_42: So they they focus on the rate of return.
3:04:42
SPEAKER_42: Um, as Keith Ellison has challenged um as attorney general is to challenge the Public Utilities Commission and excel on their rate of return, which you know look, look, I kind of like that they're doing this, but they're still missing the point.
3:04:55
SPEAKER_42: Um well, actually, they're probably not missing the point.
3:04:57
SPEAKER_42: Keith Ellison knows that the real problem isn't the rate of return as such, because when you compare it to rates of returns of other utilities around the country and other businesses, even 10% actually isn't all that big, right?
3:05:07
SPEAKER_42: It's the fact they probably ten percent to this massive rate base of wind and solar, gold plated to the hilt.
3:05:13
SPEAKER_42: That's the problem.
3:05:15
SPEAKER_10: Uh, Darren Nelson, a policy fellow here at Center of the American Experiment.
3:05:19
SPEAKER_10: I know at the end of your affordability piece, you touch upon something you mentioned a moment ago, but it rings true.
3:05:23
SPEAKER_10: Uh, this means there are some real choices to be made when it comes to the elections coming up because the policies regarding energy and affordability, when it comes to the candidates, you know, there's a lot of different ideas between these candidates.
3:05:36
SPEAKER_10: And this is why, as you mentioned in the piece, and you said before, it's important because people have real choices when they go to vote uh here in the next uh next couple of weeks, right?
3:05:43
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, the election looks close.
3:05:45
SPEAKER_42: I'm I'm not a polling expert.
3:05:46
SPEAKER_42: You'll have Bill Walsh on he knows a lot more about this stuff.
3:05:49
SPEAKER_42: And you uh probably know obviously a lot more about election polling, but apparently it's very tight.
3:05:53
SPEAKER_42: It's very close.
3:05:54
SPEAKER_42: We could incredibly tight.
3:05:55
SPEAKER_42: Yeah, we could we could actually get a Republican governor, attorney general, and legislature, you know.
3:06:00
SPEAKER_42: Um so I mean even if we don't, again, vote for if you're a DFL person, vote for ones who are at least pro-nukes.
3:06:07
SPEAKER_42: Even if if they don't acknowledge the fact that it's actually renewables is the problem.
3:06:11
SPEAKER_42: Um, but at least let's get some more nukes.
3:06:13
SPEAKER_10: Darren Nelson, thank you so much for the time this morning.
3:06:15
SPEAKER_10: It's always great to talk with you.
3:06:17
SPEAKER_10: I encourage everybody to head on over to AmericanExperiment.org and check out uh Darren's writings and good luck in your uh on your speeches this week.
3:06:24
SPEAKER_10: Are you looking forward to it?
3:06:25
SPEAKER_10: Do you do you enjoy uh do you enjoy speaking to the crowds?
3:06:28
SPEAKER_42: I I do actually, I do.
3:06:29
SPEAKER_42: So hopefully, you know, they'll they'll learn something and and we'll have a good chit-chat afterwards.
3:06:33
SPEAKER_42: So um thank you for having me, and always a pleasure.
3:06:36
SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
3:06:36
SPEAKER_10: Uh again, AmericanExperiment uh.org.
3:06:39
SPEAKER_10: I encourage everybody to head on over there.
3:06:40
SPEAKER_10: And I want to mention too that uh we did sit down into the show on Friday and uh we did decide on some merchandise.
3:06:47
SPEAKER_10: So I there might be some stuff there now.
3:06:49
SPEAKER_10: I don't know.
3:06:50
SPEAKER_10: I know that I do have my own merchandise page now, and the mug is there, and we did choose some items last week.
3:06:56
SPEAKER_10: I just don't know if they're up and available yet, but that's at americanexperiment.org.
3:07:00
SPEAKER_10: That does wrap up uh the show for a Monday.
3:07:02
SPEAKER_10: Thank you to everybody uh for joining us today.
3:07:05
SPEAKER_10: If you missed any portion of today's uh broadcast, you can check out the podcast.
3:07:09
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3:07:13
SPEAKER_10: As soon as the show concludes, you can also do a rewatch of the show at Center of the American Experiment on Rumble, Facebook, and uh YouTube.
3:07:20
SPEAKER_10: Uh tomorrow we'll dive into that study.
3:07:23
SPEAKER_10: Forty-four percent of Democrats okay with violence to stop Trump.
3:07:29
SPEAKER_10: I certainly want to get your thoughts on that also.
3:07:32
SPEAKER_10: A couple of items that we did not get a chance to dive into today.
3:07:35
SPEAKER_10: Uh, the DOJ has sued Minnesota and Minneapolis and St.
3:07:39
SPEAKER_10: Paul specifically over their firearm purchase waiting periods.
3:07:43
SPEAKER_10: And there was a lawsuit alleging that ICE violated Minnesota observers' rights.
3:07:48
SPEAKER_10: That was dismissed by a judge.
3:07:50
SPEAKER_10: And so we'll have details on that on tomorrow's show.
3:07:53
SPEAKER_10: We should also be talking AI with David Garts and Steiner Ross.
3:07:57
SPEAKER_10: I'm still getting confirmation whether or not he's going to be joining us uh either tomorrow or Wednesday, but we will have a discussion with our AI analyst and expert uh this week for sure.
3:08:07
SPEAKER_10: Again, thank you so much for hanging out.
3:08:08
SPEAKER_10: Have yourself a fantastic Monday.
3:08:10
SPEAKER_10: God bless, and I'll talk to you guys tomorrow morning at 6 a.m.