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The DiCecco Daily: Updating Key Eagles Week 1 Developments vs. Commanders · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone and welcome into another episode of DiCecco Daily.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Andrew DiCecco, Eagles beat reporter for InsideTheBirds.com. Today was Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: which means we are one day closer to kickoff Eagles
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  Speaker 1: commanders Sunday afternoon. And we'll get to the injury report.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to some of the things that Vic Fangio
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  Speaker 1: had to say. And a lot of it's going to
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  Speaker 1: center around Jonathan Bernard. And we had a chance to
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  Speaker 1: hear from Jonathan Bernard today. That was really the primary talking.
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  Speaker 2: Point coming out of the locker room.
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  Speaker 1: And... Before we get started, I just want to remind
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  Speaker 1: everybody that my rookie diary with Eagles guard.
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  Speaker 2: Micah Morris, their six-round pick out of Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: It should be available on all podcasting platforms and on YouTube. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, make sure you're reading that on InsideTheBirds.com. That'll
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  Speaker 1: be tomorrow, I believe. And I'm looking forward to that
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  Speaker 1: season-long series. Micah, I had a lot of fun talking
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  Speaker 1: to Micah. He has a lot of personality to him.
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  Speaker 2: And we have.
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  Speaker 1: As we get to do these every week, we'll learn more,
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  Speaker 1: but right off the bat, we have some common ground
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  Speaker 1: in our love for movies, and this is a really
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  Speaker 1: young developmental prospect that I like coming out of college,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought he did some good things in training camp,
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  Speaker 1: and he'll get to learn probably behind the scenes. I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine that he's going to be active on game day.
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  Speaker 1: You never know, but he's the 10th offensive lineman in
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  Speaker 1: a very deep room, but he'll get to learn from
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  Speaker 1: the likes of Landon Dickerson and Tyler Steen, Cam Juergens,
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  Speaker 1: and then, of course, you have Chris Cooper, the offensive
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  Speaker 1: line coach, who Micah had a lot of really good
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  Speaker 1: things to say about, and he's not alone in that.
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  Speaker 1: That's been a common sentiment throughout the summer, whenever asked
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  Speaker 1: about Chris Cooper, and so far, the sample size is limited,
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  Speaker 1: but I think you have to be really intrigued with
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  Speaker 1: what you've seen Chris Cooper in terms of just overall
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  Speaker 1: player development, a lot of the young linemen that we've
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  Speaker 1: talked a lot about. So anyway, make sure you're checking
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  Speaker 1: out the Rookie Diaries series all season long.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very much looking forward to that. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Grenard and Eli Stowers were both listed as limited Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: and that was again the case Thursday. Grenard, of course,
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  Speaker 1: with the pack. Eli Stowers with the hamstring. But that's
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  Speaker 1: a positive sign. It's a positive development for that they
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  Speaker 1: were back out there for the second consecutive day and
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  Speaker 1: working in a limited capacity. Again, we're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to wait and see how things go. Vic Fangio said
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  Speaker 1: that they're taking things day by day. He also mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the practice element of it as it regards Jonathan Grenard.
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  Speaker 1: And even though he is a veteran, there's certain practice,
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  Speaker 1: real practice like the Eagles have on the field and
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  Speaker 1: not so much the mental rep aspects that have to
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  Speaker 1: be taken into account. And with Stowers, we'll just have
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  Speaker 1: to see. Soft tissue injuries can be fickle, and it's
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  Speaker 1: not something that the Eagles are going to rush. I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine they would, and we'll see how things progress.
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  Speaker 1: There's still one more day, Friday's practice, when you'll get
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  Speaker 1: the injury report in the afternoon, and we'll have a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more clarity as to where both players lie.
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  Speaker 1: And Vic Fangio today spoke about the safety position. It's
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  Speaker 1: not really a surprise. But he did confirm that veteran
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Epps will be the safety. Beside Drew McCuba when
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles are in nickel, let's not forget that Cooper
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  Speaker 1: DeGene will be the safety when the Eagles are in base.
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  Speaker 1: And he cited the solid summer that Marcus Epps had.
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  Speaker 1: And he also mentioned that it didn't have anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with Michael Carter and his versatility being a valuable
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  Speaker 1: asset that maybe they didn't want to put him in
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  Speaker 1: a starting.
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  Speaker 2: Role and keep him available to fans. deploy him wherever
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  Speaker 2: they see fit. He said, no, no. So that tells
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  Speaker 2: you that Vic is.
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  Speaker 1: Really confident in Epps, and there's a lot of trust there.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked a lot about that, that I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: that you have to be a superstar to thrive at
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  Speaker 1: the safety position of Vic Fangio defense.
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  Speaker 2: What Vic seems to prioritize.
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  Speaker 1: is players who are sharp-minded, assignment sound. They're not going
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  Speaker 1: to make mistakes. They know where they need to be.
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  Speaker 1: And Epps is that. He checks off.
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  Speaker 2: All of those boxes. He's been around for a while.
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  Speaker 1: He's familiar with this system, and he's going to provide
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  Speaker 1: a stabilizing presence there next to a young player in
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  Speaker 1: Macuba who, let's not forget, played just 11 games, 10 starts.
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  Speaker 2: So Epps is someone that I don't have a ton
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  Speaker 2: of questions about. You're not going to necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: see the splash plays that Michael Carter can give you.
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  Speaker 1: But Michael Carter is new to the safety position, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of what he was asked to do this
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  Speaker 1: summer was new. And so with that, mistakes can happen.
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  Speaker 1: You can become sort of a high variance player early
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  Speaker 1: on as you're feeling your way out. And while I
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  Speaker 1: believe that Michael Carter would elevate the ceiling of the defense,
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Epps gives you a little bit more of a
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  Speaker 1: known commodity there on the back end. And I think
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  Speaker 1: him being that communicator who has a really firm grasp
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  Speaker 1: of the defense, it'll help Akuba, it'll help the secondary
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  Speaker 1: in general, and that's one of the selling points of
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  Speaker 1: having someone like Marcus Epps and giving him such a
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  Speaker 1: prominent role is because There's not a lot of guesswork there.
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  Speaker 2: You know what you're getting.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he is someone that I sort of
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  Speaker 1: view as a glue guy on the back end, sort
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  Speaker 1: of a leader back there.
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  Speaker 2: And that will be where things stand as it pertains
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  Speaker 2: to safety.
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  Speaker 1: Not really a surprise there. That's the way things were
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  Speaker 1: pointing all summer. So Jonathan Bernard, we heard from him today.
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  Speaker 1: And that was somebody that obviously we hadn't heard from
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  Speaker 1: for a while because he's been injured.
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  Speaker 2: But as I mentioned before, he's been available. He's been
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  Speaker 2: active on the field. He's been around, I should say.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, seemingly attentive on the sideline. He's been
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  Speaker 1: a presence every single day at training camp. We saw
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  Speaker 1: him out there. And it seems like he's been doing
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  Speaker 1: a lot of work behind the scenes. He's doing everything
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  Speaker 1: possible to get him ready, get himself ready. But I
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  Speaker 1: just don't think that at least in my estimation, and
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  Speaker 1: if you listen to some of the things that Bernard
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  Speaker 1: had to say, and I'll try to quote some of
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  Speaker 1: that from what I have here, it seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: taking things day by day as well and doing everything
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  Speaker 1: that he can to get.
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  Speaker 2: The pecs stronger. And so.
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  Speaker 1: I'll try to get some of those quotes for you
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  Speaker 1: from Bernard and what he said today in the locker room.
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  Speaker 1: He mentioned balancing wanting to get back out there, but
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  Speaker 1: also being able to prioritize his health and slowly build
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  Speaker 1: back up. And he said, yeah, that's literally the game
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, I could feel it. good doing a
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  Speaker 2: couple reps and doing X, Y, Z.
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  Speaker 1: And then you may feel a little something, but at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, it's a matter of this is a marathon.
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  Speaker 2: So as much as I'm ready to get.
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  Speaker 1: Out there, I just got to listen to my body,
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  Speaker 1: listen to the training staff and know when it's and
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  Speaker 1: I'll know when it's right. And he said, when asked,
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  Speaker 1: are you playing this Sunday? He said, that's up to them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm literally just trying to work day by day. I'm
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  Speaker 1: literally out there every second trying to show what I
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  Speaker 1: can do, and it's up to them, but I feel
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  Speaker 1: pretty solid.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: And then he mentioned, do you feel like you could
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  Speaker 1: play on Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: And he said, that's not for me to decide. I
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  Speaker 2: feel good, though. I will say I feel I'm in
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  Speaker 2: a good spot.
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  Speaker 1: Just to know that I know that I'm working every
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  Speaker 1: day to continue to just try to get this thing stronger.
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  Speaker 2: He said, we're close. I know that.
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  Speaker 1: So there you have it there with, with Bernard. That
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  Speaker 1: was just some of the quotes that I was reading from, uh,
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  Speaker 1: from my transcription. And the nature of the injury is
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  Speaker 1: very difficult. It's a pec injury. You have to get
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  Speaker 1: that stronger. You have to probably build yourself back up
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  Speaker 1: physically because I can't imagine he was able to lift weights.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that I'm, you know, reiterating a lot
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  Speaker 1: of what I've talked about, but this is really the big.
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  Speaker 2: Talking point of the day here. And, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: something important to note, that.
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  Speaker 1: While he is out there on the field and he
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  Speaker 1: is trending in a positive direction, it wouldn't surprise me
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  Speaker 1: if he doesn't play.
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  Speaker 2: And if he does, he's going to be on a
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  Speaker 2: pitch count.
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  Speaker 1: And I think with this injury, the last thing you
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  Speaker 1: want to do is run the risk of re-aggravation and
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  Speaker 1: starting the clock all over again.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: It might take a little bit of time just to
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  Speaker 1: build back up that stamina and get those practice reps.
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  Speaker 1: And let's not forget, he's going to be asked to
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  Speaker 1: do things in this defense that are totally new to him.
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  Speaker 1: And so when you take all that into account and
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  Speaker 1: you realize that it really hadn't been since December prior to.
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  Speaker 2: Right now that he's really been on the field practicing.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of lost time that even a veteran
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  Speaker 1: of 29 years old who's been in different defensive systems
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  Speaker 1: are going to have to account for, and there may
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit of a feeling out period, and
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  Speaker 1: you have to learn how to drop into coverage, you
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  Speaker 1: have to learn terminology, the verbiage, and all those things,
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  Speaker 1: and Grenard talked about that. He did mention that it's
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  Speaker 1: just been super frustrating not being able to be out
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  Speaker 1: there on the field participating. You can only do so
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  Speaker 1: much in the meeting rooms and things like that, but
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  Speaker 1: what defensive line, or I should say outside linebackers coach
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Washburn has said is that he's been an A-plus
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  Speaker 1: in the meeting room. So he's been very diligent behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, and that's something that we're not privy to.
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  Speaker 2: But we have heard that from Bernard.
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  Speaker 1: We've heard that from his position coach, from Vic Fangio
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  Speaker 1: at different points of the summer. So you just got
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  Speaker 1: to kind of let this play out. We'll have more
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  Speaker 1: clarity on Friday. Something that I'll be keeping an eye
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, by the way, and I've really started to
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  Speaker 1: think about this after listening to special teams coordinator Michael
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  Speaker 1: Clay speak today, the special teams aspect, and I think
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  Speaker 1: about it through the lens of Morocco Underwood, who's a
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  Speaker 1: young rookie long snapper, and I would imagine that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to see the commanders try to.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe test that.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that dawned on me the more I thought
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  Speaker 1: about it, The Commanders don't have much of an edge
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  Speaker 1: in this game. The Eagles are the clearly better team,
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  Speaker 1: certainly in the trenches, which is where I think the
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  Speaker 1: game's going to be won. But the special teams, Michael
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  Speaker 1: Clay spoke about their gunners and their vice guys, Percy
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  Speaker 1: Butler being one of them, who's a really good player.
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  Speaker 1: I liked him out of, I believe, Louisiana Lafayette coming
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  Speaker 1: out as a defensive back. And then I think this
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  Speaker 1: could be one of those games where you see a
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  Speaker 1: team like the Commanders try to see where Underwood, a
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  Speaker 1: young long snapper, is and maybe provide some pressure, which
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  Speaker 1: really puts a spotlight on your protection team, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Namely.
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  Speaker 1: Will Shipley, who is your personal protector on punt. So
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  Speaker 1: those are all things that I'm sure many don't think about,
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  Speaker 1: but it is something that will be in the back
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  Speaker 1: of my mind because special teams is one phase that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about until there's an error or there's
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  Speaker 1: a big play like the Rams game last year, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll be keeping an eye on that. The leaders on
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  Speaker 1: this group, let's not forget that over the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, Michael Clay– And he mentioned that's not something
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  Speaker 1: that he's going to make a fuss about because the
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  Speaker 1: nature of being a special teams coach is that you're
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  Speaker 1: a Will Shipley, who's now in his third year, Jeremiah
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  Speaker 2: So that's just something that I wanted to throw out there.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Jobe had the game-winning interception to seal the game.
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  Speaker 1: You all know that I've been a Josh Jobe guy.
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  Speaker 1: I was coming out of Alabama, even more so watching
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  Speaker 1: his skill set, the physicality, his ability on special teams, and...
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  Speaker 1: I can see the potential, but I'm seeing a lot
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  Speaker 1: on social media that this is one that the Eagles missed.
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  Speaker 1: How could they let him go? That's a mark on
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  Speaker 1: Howie Roseman. No, that's not the case. Josh Jobe was
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  Speaker 1: given chances here in Philadelphia. He was very uneven in
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  Speaker 1: those opportunities. He was very grabby. In fact, I remember
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  Speaker 1: asking Vic Fangio in the summer of 2024 about Josh
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  Speaker 1: Jobe and Eli Ricks. And he was fairly praiseworthy of Ricks,
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  Speaker 1: but he said that Jobe needs to clean up the PIs.
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  Speaker 1: That's something that he was flagged in the first quarter,
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  Speaker 1: I think, in that game on Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't work for him here in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: And that's fine because not every system is a fit
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  Speaker 1: for every player. He went to Seattle, started out on
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  Speaker 1: the practice squad, worked his way up, and seized his opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: He seemingly is a good fit for that defense. But
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  Speaker 1: to say that the Eagles missed on that and how
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  Speaker 1: could they not give him chances, they did give him chances.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm saying this as someone who's been a proponent
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: of Josh Joe for years now.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't able to put it together for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes it's as simple as the light goes on
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  Speaker 1: for players at different stages of their career, and it
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: takes a little longer for some.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that is it.
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  Speaker 1: He was slow to develop, and now in Seattle he's
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: starting to hit his stride. But I think the Eagles,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and they had that logjam there of Keeley Ringo, Eli Ricks,
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  Speaker 1: and Josh Jobe.
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  Speaker 2: Jobe didn't have it.
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  Speaker 1: He had sort of a rocky summer in 2024, a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: little inconsistent up and down, and it was pretty apparent
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  Speaker 1: that he wasn't going to be able to help the
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Eagles as a defensive back.
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  Speaker 2: Very good special teamer.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that during his time as being a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: special team or where he's not really factoring that much
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  Speaker 1: because he's a starter now, he was one of the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: best in the league. But he wasn't good enough to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: latch on to the roster as an extra defensive back.
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  Speaker 2: And the other part of it is, I'm saying, and
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  Speaker 2: I saw this last.
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  Speaker 1: Night, the Eagles kept Peeley Ringo instead of Josh Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Keeley Ringo was a draft pick. Keeley Ringo is also,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, four years younger, if not more, than Jobe.
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  Speaker 1: And he also has the athletic profile. So he's a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: toolsy player that the Eagles want to continue to work
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  Speaker 1: with and see what they can get out of him.
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  Speaker 1: So naturally, yeah, if you're torn between the two, it
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  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, especially where they were in 2024,
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  Speaker 1: to go with someone like Keeley Ringo. So this isn't
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: some short-sighted move by the Eagles. It wasn't some hasty transaction.
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  Speaker 1: So context is really important in everything, but in this
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: case in particular, and I just wanted to highlight that.
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  Speaker 2: That.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's it for me. That's going to do it
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  Speaker 1: for this episode of DiCecco Daily. I'm Andrew DiCecco, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll catch you all
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  Speaker 2: On the next one.