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Mac & Bone Hour 3: Panthers By the Numbers · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, oh, it's Mac and Bo on your radio, baby.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: This is my friend Matt. Posh, come on, Posh. This
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: is my friend T-Bone. Let's have some fun.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: I can't go to work without listening to Mac and Bone.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Do it live.
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: I know you don't care about the outside, but it's
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: a jarring number, 59 points. It's not every day that happens,
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: certainly not in week one. In fact, you've got to
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: go back. There's only four teams in history that did it.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: 73 Falcons scored 62. At that point, I was hoping
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: for 60. I was thinking a two-point try at some point.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you were the only one.
• 0:53
  Speaker 4: Well, there you have it. We said earlier this week
• 0:55
  Speaker 4: that's ESPN 1000. That's Ben Johnson answering the question as
• 0:59
  Speaker 4: the host said he wanted to try to get a
• 1:02
  Speaker 4: 60 piece by going for two. We talked about it
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  Speaker 4: this week, Bone. You and I both had the same
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  Speaker 4: thought while watching the end of that nightmare on Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: Is this dude that wants to be the greatest offense
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  Speaker 4: and the highest scoring offense in the history of football,
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  Speaker 4: does he also want a 60 burger? Would he be
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  Speaker 4: going for two? And he did not. credit to him
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  Speaker 4: but that is his admission bone that yeah i thought
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  Speaker 4: about it thank thanks you for not doing that sir thank.
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  Speaker 5: You can i can i say something mac that seems
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  Speaker 5: preposterous after what we saw sunday i i i want
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  Speaker 5: to play.
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  Speaker 2: Them again in the postseason I need him back.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because that would mean the Panthers got to the postseason. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll play anybody. And I know that it would.
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  Speaker 5: Probably have– I know it might be a soldier– I
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  Speaker 5: want to see them again, and I want to prove
• 1:51
  Speaker 5: to them that you're not putting up 60 points on
• 1:55
  Speaker 5: this defense by the end of the year. I want
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  Speaker 5: him back again. You may put up 45, but you're
• 1:59
  Speaker 5: not getting 60, pal. Getting 60.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: Is it wrong? I am Ben Johnston in Bear's Tower.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready to move on from what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Is it wrong that that clip doesn't anger me? I, like,
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  Speaker 4: am just so glad he didn't do it. I'm so
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  Speaker 4: glad he didn't, like, follow through with that thought and
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  Speaker 4: try to humiliate us. That would have pissed me off.
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  Speaker 4: If he did it, that would have pissed me off
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  Speaker 4: so much. You're not going to come in here and
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  Speaker 4: embarrass the Panthers. They did that to themselves, all right, pal? Well,
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  Speaker 4: they helped. The Bears might have helped. PSL Smith says
• 2:28
  Speaker 4: F Ben. He cusses a lot, doesn't he, PSL Smith?
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  Speaker 4: F Ben Johnson at the Bears. So anyway, Paco's with you, Bone.
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  Speaker 2: Amen, Bone.
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  Speaker 4: This dude, Kannapolis man, says, shouldn't every offensive-minded coach want
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  Speaker 4: to do what Ben Johnson is saying?
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  Speaker 2: No, I feel like, let's go back to code here.
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  Speaker 4: Like we talked about the, you know, bro code, the
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  Speaker 4: man laws that the tennis player probably shouldn't have been
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  Speaker 4: hollering at Ben Shelton's girlfriend like that.
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  Speaker 2: And most of y'all seem to agree on that.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like with coaches, most coaches would be like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to rub your face in it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go try to put up.
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  Speaker 4: He wouldn't do that to Dan Campbell. Put up 60.
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  Speaker 4: Or guys that he's close with. Now, someone like Sean
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  Speaker 4: Payton probably would have done it. And someone like Ben
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  Speaker 4: Johnson considered it. Most coaches I'd like to believe would
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  Speaker 4: not even consider it. Our coach would never do that. Never, never.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I'm not sure we're getting near 60, but anyways.
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  Speaker 4: Well, hey, the way Bryce is playing, baby, Jalen Coker.
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: We'll find out about Coker's ankle today. I'm curious to see, Bone,
• 3:29
  Speaker 4: how he's listed on the injury report. This texter says, Matt,
• 3:33
  Speaker 4: get out of here with this weak stuff. If you
• 3:35
  Speaker 4: can't stop them, then you deserve a 60-burger. But you're
• 3:42
  Speaker 4: going out of your way to go for two to
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  Speaker 4: make it 60. That would be a punk move. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I know some people are going to disagree. I would
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  Speaker 4: like to think most people think that would be a punk.
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  Speaker 4: Cause it's a, what goes around comes around. There'll be
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  Speaker 4: a spot where the bears are down in a game
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  Speaker 4: and they don't want to get embarrassed either. So it's a,
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to do to a team something that
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  Speaker 4: you don't want done to you.
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  Speaker 2: Right. That old 100%.
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  Speaker 4: A seven Oh four number says it in one week,
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  Speaker 4: Mac has gone from calling out Ben Johnson for being
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  Speaker 4: a big mouth who is cashing, who is claiming things and,
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  Speaker 4: that his offense will not be able to back up
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  Speaker 4: to now saying, now crying uncle and saying thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Were y'all watching the game? I got to call him daddy.
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  Speaker 4: What was that the old Pedro saying about the Yankees?
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  Speaker 4: I got to tip my hat and call him my daddy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I had to do that. I mean, I still
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  Speaker 2: find him arrogant, but damn.
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  Speaker 5: Can I also say, Matt, there's no guarantee that that
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  Speaker 5: two-plank inversion would have worked, right?
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  Speaker 2: We could have stopped it.
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  Speaker 4: We would have shut it down and held you to
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  Speaker 4: a Thomas Davis instead of a Luke Geekly or a...
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  Speaker 4: Whoever number 60 used to be on the Panthers. Who
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  Speaker 4: have our 60s been? Have we ever had a famous 60?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. 58 right now is Bobby Okereke, right? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But 58 will always be TD to me, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Panthers number 60. I'm looking. We don't have a historically
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  Speaker 4: great 60, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Is what I'm saying. What was Ryan Clewell, 65? Is
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  Speaker 2: that right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm sure y'all are going to do the research
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  Speaker 4: and hit me with some 60s here from Panthers lore
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  Speaker 4: in the past.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Mitchell. Okay, okay. Pat Elfline. That one's not good.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have too many good ones here. Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 4: Let's talk about this offense, Bone Man, and let's talk
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  Speaker 4: about the expectations we have for this offense. Did Sunday's game–
• 5:37
  Speaker 4: because Lord knows the expectations for defense– I'm trying to
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  Speaker 4: say let's hold and let's see how they play the
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  Speaker 4: next two weeks against these quarterback situations, and let's see
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  Speaker 4: more data before I say, oh, my God, this defense
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  Speaker 4: is just going to be worse than I thought.
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  Speaker 2: But it was bad. It was horrible. Offensively, it was
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  Speaker 2: so good in so many ways. Are you now looking.
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  Speaker 4: At the offense saying, I think I now expect more,
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  Speaker 4: or are you staying– Are you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, okay, I got to see more? How do you
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  Speaker 2: view it?
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  Speaker 5: I think they've turned some sort of corner there. We
• 6:09
  Speaker 5: haven't even really seen Mac because the way the game was,
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't a game where... you know, the running game
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  Speaker 5: could really get going in full. Chuba's yards per carry
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  Speaker 5: was good. And if it was a normal game, he
• 6:20
  Speaker 5: probably goes over 100 just based off his average of
• 6:23
  Speaker 5: yards and the amount of carries. We haven't really seen
• 6:25
  Speaker 5: Brooks get it going in the run game yet. But
• 6:27
  Speaker 5: I think if Jalen Coker-Mack is making that leap where
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  Speaker 5: he's not far off, we viewed it as T-Mac is
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  Speaker 5: the one, Coker's the two. And I still expect it
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  Speaker 5: to be that to some degree. But Jalen Coker, Mac,
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  Speaker 5: from the playoff game to week number one, Jalen Coker's
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  Speaker 5: showing you T-Mac's the man, but he's not too far
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  Speaker 5: off from being that guy with T-Mac. And if Coker
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  Speaker 5: keeps accelerating his game like that, then this offense– we
• 6:54
  Speaker 5: talked about the loss of Brazel, but that was in
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  Speaker 5: the context of I thought Jalen Coker was like– not–
• 7:04
  Speaker 5: insanely far behind T-Mac, but if those guys are almost
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  Speaker 5: 1A and 1B, this offense, the sky's the limit, man.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not going to go all in and start
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  Speaker 4: saying we got a top-five offense for the season.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be hypocritical.
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  Speaker 4: If I'm not downgrading the defense, Bone, if I start
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  Speaker 4: upgrading the offense and say, oh, we got a top-five,
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  Speaker 4: top-ten unit, I think I'd be hypocritical. But how can
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  Speaker 4: you not be excited? How can you not feel like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: like Bone said, we might be taking a jump here.
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  Speaker 2: And how can you not think.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if Bryce Young is not just making his
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  Speaker 4: usual jump from one season to the next. Is he
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  Speaker 4: making a leap? It's hard not to think those things.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, Bone, it's one week, and the Bears'
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  Speaker 4: defense isn't great. But the offensive numbers, third and yards,
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  Speaker 4: fourth and points, fourth and yards per play, passing, fourth
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  Speaker 4: and yards per attempt, as a team, second and passing yards.
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  Speaker 4: Fourth in yards per carry in the running game. See,
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  Speaker 4: that's the thing. I've heard people say we didn't run
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  Speaker 4: the ball well. We didn't run the ball very often,
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  Speaker 4: especially in the first half. And I would have liked
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  Speaker 4: to see them run it a little more, try to
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  Speaker 4: slow the game down a little bit. But they ran
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  Speaker 4: for 5.7 yards of carry bone. That's fourth in the
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  Speaker 4: league in week one. Jalen Coker, number one receiver in
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  Speaker 4: fantasy points, 33.8. Like, it's just the stuff that was done, man.
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  Speaker 5: And that's even with T-Mac taking a while to get going.
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  Speaker 5: He didn't get off to a blazing start, and then
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  Speaker 5: he picked up as he went on. As you went
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  Speaker 5: along there, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Four of his catches were in the last quarter and
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  Speaker 2: a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: I think we have the chance to have a really
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  Speaker 4: special duo as long as Coker can stay healthy.
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  Speaker 5: And I hope that foot's OK. Waller looked pretty good
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  Speaker 5: for his first run out there in the regular season.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he had the one ticky tack called back touchdown.
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  Speaker 5: But I thought that's kind of what I expect from
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  Speaker 5: Waller like we saw the other day.
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  Speaker 4: Should have been a touchdown. He's going to be a
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  Speaker 4: red zone target. You've talked about that since we acquired him. He, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think, I honestly think, and this is a question
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  Speaker 4: because Jimmy Horn's release, and we're going to talk specifically,
• 9:03
  Speaker 4: we talked about to open the show. We'll talk a
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  Speaker 4: lot more specifically about the Jimmy Horn release.
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  Speaker 2: And because I.
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  Speaker 4: Know a lot, he's a fan favorite to a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people. So we'll talk about it. It looks like
• 9:14
  Speaker 4: Metchie's now taking his spot on the, what is the
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  Speaker 4: unofficial depth chart today release? We'll see if he's the
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  Speaker 4: return man. We do need someone to step up as
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  Speaker 4: a third wide receiver, Boney, I think. I think that's
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  Speaker 4: a weakness of this offense. But I look at Darren
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  Speaker 4: Waller and say if he stays healthy, I think he
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  Speaker 4: could be third in targets. I could see a world where, Boney,
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  Speaker 4: if he's healthy, he has the third most catches on
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  Speaker 4: this team. And I could see a world where Jonathan
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  Speaker 4: Brooks has the fourth most catches. I know he only
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  Speaker 4: had one, but that wheel route and the way he
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  Speaker 4: and Bryce communicated and stuff with the very little time
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  Speaker 4: they have on the field– Jonathan Brooks can be a
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  Speaker 4: real extreme weapon in a passing game. He makes wide
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  Speaker 4: receiver type plays downfield on the ball. I mean, can
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  Speaker 4: Brooks and Waller tag team that third receiving option? and
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  Speaker 4: that might be better than the actual wide receiver that
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: adopted that's an excellent point i was going to bring
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  Speaker 4: up brooks as well it doesn't have to be the
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  Speaker 4: third the wide out as the third it can be
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  Speaker 4: a combination of a bunch of things mac a couple
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  Speaker 4: things here multiple people pointing out this is going to
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  Speaker 4: sound crazy because people don't believe this Former Panther All-Pro
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  Speaker 4: Darryl Williams also wore number 60.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. Darryl Williams had an All-Pro season
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  Speaker 2: in 2017.
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  Speaker 4: That was the most criticized All-Pro selection ever.
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  Speaker 2: All the double team help he got that year and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: And how dare you in 1997 forget. Colin, the historian's
• 10:36
  Speaker 5: not going to like you forgetting Bucky Greeley. wore number
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  Speaker 5: 60 in 1997. Out there, I forget old Bucky Greeley, man.
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: So Brunson Buckner's not the only Buck that played for
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  Speaker 4: the Panthers, apparently.
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  Speaker 2: No, we had Bucky. If anyone out there.
• 10:49
  Speaker 5: Has any remembrance of Bucky Greeley, I suggest you step
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: outside and get some fresh air.
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  Speaker 2: Smoke, I bet Smoke's all over. He gave the whole
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: bio for Bucky Greeley.
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  Speaker 5: If he's got a bio on Bucky Greeley, then I
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: don't know what I'm going to do. Smoke, do it today, baby.
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: Come on with KB and give us the full Bucky
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  Speaker 5: Greeley info. I want to give you some of Bryce's stats, Bone,
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  Speaker 5: from Sunday and just how special it was and how
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: good his start is. I've noticed, Bone, the Bryce bashers.
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  Speaker 4: Have not been very vocal, but I know you're still
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: out there, so I want you to enjoy these stats.
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  Speaker 4: The Bryce Bashers on the text line have been replaced, Bone,
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  Speaker 4: by the Avero Eviscerators. They have been in full force.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to some of these stats. PFF, sixth in passing grade,
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  Speaker 4: sixth in offensive grade. The best play-action passing grade on
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  Speaker 4: PFF in the NFL this week. Six of 11 for
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  Speaker 4: 123 and a touchdown, 11 yards per attempt. on play action.
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  Speaker 4: Passes of 10 yards or more, nine of 15. He
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  Speaker 4: averaged bone a little more than four passes completed of
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  Speaker 4: 10 yards or more in the air last season. He
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  Speaker 4: had nine, including three deep balls, three of five on
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  Speaker 4: deep balls. Tenth highest average air yards per target, which
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  Speaker 4: is a very important number, right? We want him to
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  Speaker 4: push the ball downfield. His air yards per target are
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  Speaker 4: usually very low, very minuscule. That's very notable. A lot
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  Speaker 4: of us thought Avero would want to push it down
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  Speaker 4: the field more, and they did. So those are some awesome,
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  Speaker 4: awesome stats early. And he usually starts so slowly. Like,
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  Speaker 4: that's encouraging.
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  Speaker 5: And we spent most of the springtime talking about trying
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  Speaker 5: to get downfield targets, and that's why they drafted Brazel,
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  Speaker 5: and trying to figure out who can open up things
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  Speaker 5: for T-Mac and the rest of the guys. Well, lo
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  Speaker 5: and behold, back, Jalen Coker. flies down the sidelines and
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  Speaker 5: makes the play. So there's that part of the game
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  Speaker 5: emerging from Coker, too, more than just a move-the-chains guy
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  Speaker 5: that can go over the middle. Jalen Coker showed you there.
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  Speaker 5: He's got that part of his game, too, right? He
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: can go down the field.
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  Speaker 4: Remember the stat from last season? Six of seven Bryce
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  Speaker 4: to Coker deep balls. Yeah, like he is.
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  Speaker 5: There's a connection between those two that we talked to
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  Speaker 5: Coker about during camp and Bryce. There's some there's a
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  Speaker 5: connection with those two guys.
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  Speaker 4: Coker is a better deep threat to your point than
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  Speaker 4: I think people give him credit for. He's had big, big,
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: deep ball catches. Rams, Tampa last year. And that brings
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  Speaker 4: me to this text. Mac, I know you guys said
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  Speaker 4: you'll go more in depth on Jimmy Horn later, but
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  Speaker 4: allow me to say with Brazel out and Horn cut,
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: I can't believe we gave up on Horn that easy
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: because we don't have a true speed guy. The interesting
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  Speaker 4: thing about Horn's speed and quickness, and maybe it's just
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  Speaker 4: as much quickness as speed, We really haven't seen the
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: downfield stuff with Jimmy Horn here in Carolina. We've seen
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  Speaker 4: the end of rounds. We started to see him run
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: different routes in the preseason. We saw the return stuff
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  Speaker 4: that was way better in the preseason than it was
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday, and I'm sure that spooked Dave Canales, that
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: fumble bone. But, like, was Jimmy Horn really that dude on–
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was.
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  Speaker 2: A deep threat. We never really utilized him that way.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. You know?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, in fairness to him, I guess
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: we don't know. But it wasn't a way he was
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  Speaker 4: really used. It's also a guy.
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  Speaker 5: A guy with that size being the guy that can
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  Speaker 5: go up down the field and get it against these
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: NFL DBs, I don't know. I just never envisioned him
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: being that guy down the field. That's the thing about
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: Coker being his size.
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  Speaker 2: And even a T-Mac.
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  Speaker 4: T-Mac, yeah, he might not get the separation that a
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: fast guy like Brazel would get.
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  Speaker 2: But T-Mac, I expect him to be.
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  Speaker 4: Better than he was last year, contested catches to be
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: able to go get the ball.
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  Speaker 5: The injury still made me sad to think about Brazel
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: with this team and, of course, Gordon with this team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. They got to get Pat Jones back, too.
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  Speaker 2: They got taken away so early in the camps, right?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't even like we got into the season and
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: lost them. Two guys we were so high on. gone
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: so early in the season.
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  Speaker 4: They've got to get Pat Jones back. I know we
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: were talking to Walker off the air about this. The
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: fact that they don't have those two, the guys on
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: the opposite side of Phillips that are plus run defenders
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  Speaker 4: in Skorton and Jones, and they're both out, that's a problem.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: And Walker was citing all the stats, and it's true,
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: how much the Bears ran right on us, right at
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  Speaker 4: that side. Phillips is on the other side. They ran
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: right at that side where it's like, oh, we know
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: you're missing your best run defenders on that side. So
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Atlanta's probably going to target that side too with Bijon.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like Princely just has to– I hate
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: to say it, I hate to do it to the kid,
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: but right now it just feels like, Bone, he has
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: to be that pass-down specialist and not be out there.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: He was out there for 12 run plays. I don't
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: know if he can do that. Princely's brother, Prince Will,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: was talking to the media yesterday at LSU. Plays for LSU.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: He was talking– a former Ole Miss player was talking
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: about playing Trinidad Chambliss and the importance of containing the
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: quarterback that moves in the pocket. I'm thinking maybe you
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: should have talked to your brother before the game on Sunday.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: You mean little bro is ahead of big bro on
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: that one?
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: Please tell me Prince Lee learned his lesson, told little
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: bro this week, hey, I learned the hard way, baby.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Just don't rush in there like crazy. Guns a-blazing. Contain.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, geez.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: When we come back, a guy that does a great
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: job covering football for the Crane and Cone Show via
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: On3 Sports, David Cone returns to the Mac and Bone Show.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: We'll talk about South Carolina, Mississippi State, Clemson UNC, all
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: the big games for us this weekend on Sports Radio
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: 92.7 WFNZ.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Second straight day bone that a Mac and Bone listener
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: is delivering food from a local restaurant somewhere in the building. Yesterday,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Pitmaster Matt did hook us up, though, with some beef
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: from Midwood. But I don't know where our guy today
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: is coming from. But, like, we apparently do very well, Bone,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: with the people that work for the eateries.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: We are apparently very popular there.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: That's why Finney said he's got to go to the
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: hallway during the break, and I'm not sure he's going to.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Go chase down this guy.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: We did some things to that slab of beef yesterday
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: that came in here.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: That was.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Just in our bare hands.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Unruly.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Eating beef ribs. Three men. We were like cavemen. We were.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: We were ripping beef rib off the bone with our
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: bare hands and eating it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Like, it was so unrefined. Oh, my God. It was good, though, man.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: It was good.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I would like to think Bone, our next guest, is
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: not the kind of guy that would judge us. for
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: eating beef rib off the bone they might use a
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: fork and a knife you think so do they roll
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: that way i was hoping not um david cone is
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: one of the co-hosts of crane and cone from on
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: three um check them out too on youtube uh and
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: uh it's great college football content and david cone joining
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: us again here on the mac and bone show uh
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: david what's going on brother how you doing First.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Of all, I want to just say I've never been
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: so disrespected in my life, okay? First off, I didn't
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: even get a call to eat the ribs or the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: slabs of beef that you guys are having. And second
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of all, that I wouldn't eat this with my hands,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: me from South Georgia, a fork and a knife. I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: feel very disrespected, but I think we've got about 10
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: or 15 minutes here, boys, where we can make it
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: up to you.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to try to. We are definitely going
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: to try to. I thought so, Bone. You thought he
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: was more refined than he is.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I thought he wasn't. I'm glad to hear that. Oh, man.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, let's talk some college football. Let's start first.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I think most of it's going to be looking ahead.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: We got some real juicy matchups this weekend, including obviously
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the one in Oxford. But just looking back at Texas,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Ohio State, did you think Ohio State choked there? Do
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: you think Texas deserves all the credit for the comeback?
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Or do you just have to give a little of
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: both out there?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly a combination of both. I actually couldn't believe
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: my eyes. I mean, as someone who played football at Michigan,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I've seen Ohio State, but when they got the jugular,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: they don't usually let off of it, and I do
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: think that they let off of it there in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: second half. But, you know, what makes you let off
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the gas pedal sometimes is playing a really good opponent.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And what Will Muschamp did on the defensive side, he
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: gave up three points in the second half to that offense.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So all credit to them. And I went back and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I rewatched the game because they were as bad as
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: they could be, Texas was, in the first half. I mean,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: dropped balls, you know, missed throws, missed protections. But I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: rewatched the game. Arch was as good as he could
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: be in the fourth quarter. And sometimes that's what counts.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: And that game is a lot like my golf game.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Terrible shot, terrible shot, terrible shot, and then you get
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: one brilliant shot, and sometimes you still make par. You know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: so they played three terrible quarters, one brilliant quarter, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: they end up winning the game in incredible fashion to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: come from 20 down against an opponent like that truly
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: is incredible. Now, the bigger question to me is, Well,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: how do you rank them after that? And I thought
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: about it all night Saturday, and I thought about it
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, and obviously we've had our episodes at Crane &
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Cone so far this week. And I do think you
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: have to put them at number one. It's tough to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: watch a team play football like that for three quarters
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and to rank them number one in the country. But
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I personally want to see these marquee matchups early in
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the season like this out of conference. And if we
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: want to incentivize that sort of scheduling, then we need
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to reward teams who beat really good teams like that.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Georgia's beaten teams 70 to 20. Georgia looks really good.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I think Georgia will probably beat Texas if they play
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: this year. But right now, I think Texas deserves that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: number one ranking, and I don't think Ohio State deserves
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to fall too far.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: David, on the national level, which result from Saturday surprised
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you more? I'll get that mic going, baby. Yeah, I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: was looking. I was eating beef ribs 24 hours ago.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Rich result on the national level. What results surprise you more,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the way Ohio State blew the lead or the fact
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: that Oregon lost to Oklahoma State, who lost to Tulsa
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the week before?
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, both Oklahoma State over Oregon and,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: quite frankly, Michigan over Oklahoma, and for the same reason
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: for both teams. Because when you look at the way
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that Michigan had to survive against Western Michigan, and when
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you look at Oklahoma State against Tulsa in Week 1,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was bad in every phase of the game.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: They were terrible on offense, not just from a quarterback development.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood gets all the blame for that because, yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: he hadn't developed a lot, but they also couldn't run
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the ball against Western Michigan, which they have at least
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: been able to do for as long as I can remember.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: They're muffin punts on special teams. And the defense, for
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: as good as they were in that first game, they
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: gave up a 20-play drive in the fourth quarter. So
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I just– I thought they had no chance against Oklahoma
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to come out and to respond like that. I thought
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: it was truly incredible. And Oklahoma State, the same thing.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: If they lost to Tulsa in a shootout, that would
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: be one thing because that could tell me, okay, because
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you brought in an offensive-minded head coach, you brought in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Drew Mestermaker, and maybe they can, you know, have a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: shootout with Oklahoma or Oregon, which is what ended up
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: did happening– But the way they lost to Tulsa, I
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: just thought, man, I just was way too high on
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. For them to respond in that fashion, for
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Drew Messermaker, I mean, he's out there looking like John
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Elway running into the end zone, throwing six-yard bombs, flat-footed.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I think his game, he still has room to improve.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think he can push the pocket a little bit more.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But the arm strength is certainly there, and the playmaking,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: gunslinging mentality is certainly there. How good is Oregon? Maybe
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: they beat an Oregon team that's just not very good.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're this year's Penn State. But I still think
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: there's really good football players over there at Oregon. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: think Dan Lanning's a heck of a coach. And that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: win for Oklahoma State might look really nice if Oregon
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: gets their act together, goes on the road in a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: couple weeks, beats USC, starts to put some wins together.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, all credit to the Cowboys there.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: We're talking with David Cohn from Crane and Cohn. Awesome
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: college football podcast and content. Search for it, find it,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: and listen to these boys.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: They're great. Great dudes, too, no doubt about it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Someone asked if you were Tom Brady's backup at Michigan.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I missed Tom Brady when I was there. He was
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit older.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: You're not that old. Come on now.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Man, what a flex that would be to even be
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's backup. I will say 80% completion percentage on
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the few throws that I did get to throw.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Very efficient. Very efficient, baby.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: With those numbers in this day and age, you might
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: be able to get back in there a little bit somewhere.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Fifth year? Yeah, exactly.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I could play as long as I want. Now, I mean,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: if they have like a 10 pass minimum or something,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: then I probably won't make the record books.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I think after week one, Michigan fans would have taken you,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: but your boys bounce back. All right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Underwood and your boys bounce back. So what do you think, David,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: this week?
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Like how much are you looking forward to the spectacle
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: that will be Lane going back to Oxford? And then
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: when they actually play the game, do you have a
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: lean in the game itself too?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this is just something that you have
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to get your popcorn ready and soak in, right? Like,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just– this is peak college football,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and you have a guy here in Lane Kiffin who
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: did so many good things for Ole Miss and for Oxford.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But to leave in that fashion, which he has before,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: multiple schools and programs before. to leave in that fashion,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I really am personally hoping the Ole Miss players play well.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I want that for those young men, for the coach
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: who recruited you and the staff who recruited you to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: leave for another school within your own league, which, look,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Lane said it best at SEC
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Media Days. I don't know why it took him seven
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: months to phrase it like this, but he said, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: took another job. People do it all the time, okay,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and I tried to make everyone happy, and I'm sorry
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I can't make everyone happy. But for those young men
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to compete against him at a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: different school and you're at home in Oxford, I want
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: them to play well. There's a lot I like about
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: both teams right now. I think there's there's more things
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that I like about LSU right now. But I just
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and maybe this is just an emotional pick. I don't know.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: But I Trinidad Chambliss at home in Oxford. I think
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Pete Golden is going to get that defense right from
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: some of the mistakes they made in the first half
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: against Louisville. I think the Rebels somehow find a way
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: against LSU. And if they don't and LSU goes in
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: there and they win by 14 or win by even more,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: then I think that's going to send a loud message
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to the rest of the country.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: David, as a Gamecocks fan, how worried should I be
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: about this matchup with Super Camario and the Bulldogs coming in?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I think you should be pretty worried. I think it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the most underrated matchup this weekend. It's the matchup just
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: after the game we just talked about that I'm second
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: most excited about. And look, Shane Beamer recruited me at
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Mississippi State when he was with Sylvester Croom. I love
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Shane Beamer. I love him as a human being, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I want him to win a lot of football games.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And I had Mississippi State go on 2-10, right? This
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: is a program that hasn't had a winning record since
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Mike Leach passed away, God rest his soul. And they've
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: gotten good quarterback play. I mean, Blake Chapin was a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: heck of a player, so it's not like they just
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: completely fell off a cliff at that position. But what
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: this offense looks like so far with the football jumping
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: off Camario Taylor's hand, his playmaking ability, their running back's great.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: They've got a great wide receiver there. And the defense
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: so far has looked pretty strong. The win at Minnesota
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't get a lot of national attention because people will
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: roll their eyes and say, well, yeah, that's Minnesota.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Who cares?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: That's the only program in the Big Ten to return
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: their head coach, both coordinators, and their quarterback, and they
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: were at home. That's a team that usually at least
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: fights their tails off for four quarters, and Mississippi State
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: went on the road and blew them out. I can't
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: wait for this matchup. Quarterbacks don't play against the opposing quarterback.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Quarterbacks play against the opposing defense. But these two guys,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Kamario Taylor and Lenore Sellers, I really do think it's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: going to be who has the football in their hands
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: last night. They're going to do something very special, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: they're going to will their team to victory.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a fun one. I'm glad you
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: said that. That's underrated.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Real quick before I let you go, Clemson and North Carolina.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: We've got a lot of Tiger and Tar Heel fans, obviously,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: listening to us here in Charlotte, David. And it almost
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: feels like they all agree, oh, Carolina's going to beat Clemson.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Clemson still is favored, but a lot of people are
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: picking UNC to go down the Death Valley and win.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: How do you see that one?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's fascinating to hear that. I'm glad you said
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that because I'm going to take that to the Crane & Coon.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Guys and tell them because as I'm looking.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Right here at our on three, I'm staring at our
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: on three pick-em board right now, and everyone across the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: board has taken Clemson except for me. I'm taking UNC. Look,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I'm from Statesboro, Georgia. I wanted Georgia Southern to pull
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that upset last week just for emotional ties there to
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the town of Statesboro. They put on a great defensive
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: performance where they were able to turn both the Clemson's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks over, but did nothing on offense. I'm just, I'm
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: looking at this team for Clemson. I just, I don't
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: see any real bright spots right now. And look, maybe
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: LSU is just world beaters and maybe Georgia Southern's a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: lot better than we thought. And maybe a new quarterback
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: who's starting now, the young kid in Tate Reynolds, he'll
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: figure it out and he'll really come into his own
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the way that Trevor Lawrence as a true freshman did
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: when he finally took the reign. Maybe that's what's going
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to happen. I just think old Bill Belichick, just like
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: he did against TCU in Week 0, maybe he has
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: one more card up his sleeve. So I'm excited for
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: this one in a way that I didn't think I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: would be before the season started. But this is going
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to be a fun football game. And right now I'm
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: penciling in North Carolina.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: David, real quick, we've got to go in 30 seconds,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: but I wanted to ask you because you're Nashville-based. Jared Curtis,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: the five-star, gets the start for Vanderbilt this week as
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: the Commodores host NC State. How ready do you think
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: he is for this start, and how worried should NC
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: State be about facing Jared Curtis?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Well, he's going to have to get ready really quick.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the thought process was there with
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: not starting him from the beginning so he could get
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the snaps in those first two games. I don't know
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: if Blaise Berlowitz was legitimately just better than him, but hey,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense. You flipped him over
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to Vanderbilt for a reason. Now is his time. NC
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: State has a heck of a quarterback too in C.J. Bailey,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: so I really can't wait for this matchup. I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: NC State's going to come in and really do some
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: good things in this game. But, hey, I'm excited for
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the Jared Curtis era here to start, and I think
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in Nashville here are excited as well.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: All right, David, you knocked it out of the park.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Awesome job. Check these guys out, Crane and Cone. Awesome
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: content from On3. Find them wherever you get podcasts. Find
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: them at YouTube. David, thank you so much, brother. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: next time, we're chowing down on meat early in the morning.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: you're getting a call, baby.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Save me some ribs, brother. Thank you.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: All right. Be good, man. There you go.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: That is David Cone from Crane and Cone. Did I
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: call him Crane and Company again? In front of David Cone?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I hope not. I don't know. I hope not. Did
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I call anybody husky parts this hour? No, no, no.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, good.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: No, not this hour.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: When we come back here on the Mac and Bone show,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Panthers by the numbers. How good were Bryce and Coker?
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Was anyone good on defense? And the numbers from Avero's
• 30:10
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• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNT. Cannot wait for college football this weekend.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I was going to say Saturday, but hell, Friday's interesting.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm going to say a prayer for Wake.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Because Miami could route him. Say a little prayer for
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: a wake. But we have seen Miami in the ACC
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: trip up. It's a Friday night game, stuff like that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: But the Saturday, man, those games on Saturday, Clemson, Carolina State, Vandy,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: South Carolina, Mississippi State.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Friday night's got a ranked game on Fox. That's a
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: good point. Houston plays Texas Tech. Hell, tomorrow night, Syracuse-Pittsburgh.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of interesting. I know Angeli wasn't great
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: in the loss to Cal, but that one's interesting.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: We were talking during the break as Colin was asking about–
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: the Heat and South Carolina playing at 445 against Mississippi
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: State on Saturday, or 415, excuse me. 415 game. Well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: it's clear to me it's all because of TV, because
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Florida Auburn's on ESPN at night. We've got LSU Ole
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Miss on ABC. The SEC Network main crew is doing
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: the South Carolina game, but it's in the afternoon. And Tennessee,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Kennesaw State is in that 745 window. But it's pretty
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: clear they didn't want to put three Big SEC games
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: on at the same time, I guess, right?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: They're trying to balance it out because you've got Texas
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: A & M and Kentucky right on CBS, 3.30. They're
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: just trying to balance the slate out, and, man, it
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: is a good slate.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Bama plays Florida State on ABC at 3.30 also. I
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: want to talk some— Just naming games off now, I guess.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: That's at 3.30 as well. I think it's—I'm cranked up
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: for what we're going to see. And we hadn't even
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: mentioned Charlotte App today. That one, too, the meaning of
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: that game. God, I hated the chance Williams has gone
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: from the program, but we'll see.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Hopefully Alexander can run the heck out of the football
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: for Charlotte. At the 12 o'clock window, UNC Clemson, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: later on in that window, it's NC State Vanderbilt. I mean,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: that's a hell of a— It's a good day, man.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Straight style, too.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: One's at 12, one's at 12.45. It's a good day, Boney.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It's a good day.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I want to talk some Panthers stats here because some
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: of the numbers that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Are out there are interesting.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: And I actually probably ruined part of this segment because
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I couldn't contain my inner stat geek. And during the
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: segment about the offense, I just started spitting out all
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: these Bryce and offensive numbers, Boney, that I was going
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: to say. So I kind of messed up this segment.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: I crunched numbers. Mima spit out numbers. I couldn't help myself, man.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: That's the Mac 3000.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: And a MatBot 3000 just spit them numbers right out.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I will say, here's a good number for us this week.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Cooper Rush, lowest quarterback rating of any starting quarterback in
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: week one, 51.9. Now, we don't know if he's going
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: to play this week, but it got kind of interesting
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: when Atlanta– Initially told the media there's a starting quarterback
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: press conference Wednesday afternoon. And then the next day came
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: back and said it's now a Cooper Rush press conference
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Wednesday afternoon. So do you have a preference of Cooper
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Rush or Pennix? Because I don't think I don't sense
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Tua's preference.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: You know, ready yet. Or do you not even give
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a damn? I don't know.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: I said when the offseason was going on that I
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: actually prefer Cooper Rush as a Panther backup over Kenny
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Pickett when he signed there. Yeah, I thought that too, honestly.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: By the way, Mac, right now I'm looking at this.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: I know that there is one game in 2024. Cooper
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Rush beat the Panthers 30-14 here and had three touchdown passes.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: But it says he's 2-0 against the Panthers. I didn't
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: realize he was 2-0. I have to look up the
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: other one here. I don't know what the other one was.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: I'll look it up here, but I don't know what
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: the other one was.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Am I wrong to say Cooper Rush scares me more
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: than Penix does? Not like terrified, but I don't really
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: have a fear of Penix.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I don't really care which one we get. He's going
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to have some horrendous fumble along the way.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I don't care which one we get. It's going to
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: be a serious downgrade from Caleb Williams and the way
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: he played.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So I just, I'm happy to have.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: A much more manageable assignment. Oh, it was counting a
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: backup game he played. He got in a game as
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: a backup.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, boo, get that out of here. He kneeled down
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: against us. He's only got one win against us. We
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: don't count kneel downs!
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: But if we go out there and mess around and
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: give up 28 or 30 points against this damn team,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: I'm going to lose my mind. I don't care which
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: quarterback it is. They've got to bounce back this week.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: or Avero Eviscerators, you're going to start. I might join
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: you a little bit if they don't perform this week.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: All right, let me get to these numbers. Someone asked
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: earlier who actually played good on defense, Bo. It's probably
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: a short list. The number one, take it for what
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: it's worth, because they graded Caleb Williams with a 62
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: this week.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: But take it for what it's worth.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: The highest graded PFF defensive player was Bobby Brown, playing
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: through a herniated disc in his back.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, do you mean the guy that Flounder was railing
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: on yesterday?
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: I didn't understand why Flounder was ripping. I thought he
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: actually played pretty well. PFF's not the end all and
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the be all, but he had four pressures according to PFF.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: The guy's out there in week one. His back's giving out.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: He's out there in a game where they're getting just obliterated.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: He's still out there giving everything he had. Way off
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Bobby Brown, all right?
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Carolina offensive line, Monroe Freelingbone gave up the sack early,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: had the penalty early. He ended up with one sack
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: and four pressures allowed. He was the third highest graded
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: run blocker we had, though, behind Rasheed Walker and D.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Lou.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: We didn't talk about that Rasheed Walker block yet.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: That block where he just took that dude, bent him
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: back over, and just deposited him on his back.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That was filthy. The guy got folded like a card table.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It was, bro.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: At one point, I thought he was stuck in the turf.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Even Rasheed Walkermack looked down like, what did I just
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: do to this guy? He folded him up, man. Carolina
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: offensive line, I thought was all right. I thought it
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: was pretty solid. They ran for 5.7 yards to carry.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: They had the 14th highest pressure percentage allowed, though.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: So they were.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: near the middle, slightly into the bottom half, allowing 38% pressure.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: You don't score 37 points with the offensive line being horrible,
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: so I had to do something right in the game.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: How about this number? Yeah, I thought they were pretty good.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: How about this number, Bone? The defense was eighth on
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: PFF in pressure percentage.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Now, that's very easy to explain. They got pressure. but
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: only twice they got Caleb Williams down. Getting pressure with
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams is just the start of the fun. You've
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: got to contain him and keep him from escaping because
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams' numbers under pressure were pretty damn good.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a high-speed car chase. You may get close,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: but you don't have the guy yet. You've got to
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: keep going. And the high-speed chasing. I like it.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Did you see a Fox News car chase yesterday?
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: We didn't put our spike strips down on them. Spike strips.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: They would have helped. Why didn't we think of that?
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: All right. Now let's talk about these Avero numbers that
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Mike Kay is writing about and all the Avero eviscerators
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: on the text line are sharing with us today, Bone.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Because people are using the Avero entire tenure, 52 games,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: three years plus one game, numbers. Mike Kay wrote an
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: article about this. It led to more Avero eviscerators. All right.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: let's talk about them. Cause I have a couple of
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: comments to make about them. And you guys can say, uh, Max,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: an idiot. And you can call Bailey later today and
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: complain about us. Like y'all did.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yesterday. I'm onto you all. Yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: We're onto you all caps, Rod. Um, uh, in, in
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Avero's tenure, we have given up the, uh, let's see here.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: The most points per game over that 52 game sample
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: in the league, 2016 yards per game, second worst EPA,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: highest QBR, uh, Um, these are, these are ugly. These
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: are ugly. Um, but I feel like when you do
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: the full tenure numbers, the 2024 season might've been the
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: worst defensive season in the history of football. I feel
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: like those numbers are so bad bone that when you
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: do the, listen, I'm not saying they're not, they're not bad,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: but I feel like it makes the three year plus
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: one game sample bad. For example, let's talk about what
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: the offense ranked. over that span. Because all of a sudden,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: now y'all seem to, everybody out there as a Panther
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: fan seems to think we're the greatest show on field turf.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Everybody seems to think, Bone, the offense had never been
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: a problem in years here. The offense, Bone, ranked 31st, 23rd,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: and 27th in points over the last three years. In yards,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: the offense ranked 32nd, 29th, and 27th in yards. Let's
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: look at some of the rankings for the defense in
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: individual years. The offense has never ranked Bone higher than
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: 27 yards in these last three years or 23rd in points.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: The defense ranked 4th in Avero's first season in total defense.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: The defense ranked 6th in points yards per play that season.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: And last year, the defense ranked 16th in yards and
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: 15th in points. So I get it when you look
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: at the whole tenure, those numbers are ugly. But at
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: least Avero's defense in the last three years has had
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: some respectable rankings in these categories. yeah the offense has
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: not had a respectable ranking in years one thing.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: About the defensive stuff that you're bringing up here and
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: as I look at it right now they're like you
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: said uh The defense two years ago kind of skews
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: some of those things a little bit.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Big time. I guarantee you. What I see is there's inconsistencies.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: There's some years like 2023, Mac, they were fourth allowed,
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: from what I'm reading here, fourth allowed in yards. There's
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: years where there's numbers that are pretty good, but then
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I think they just get... jolted out of whack because
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: when he's got the bad years, they're really bad years.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: It was the one, it was the one specifically horrible year.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: There's some inconsistencies of anything with the defensive number. And listen,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: am I saying I want the defense to have all
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: these numbers?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: No, I do.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: And I'm also not saying that a zero of arrow
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: is the greatest defensive mind in history of football. But
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I think last year, the defense was the best unit
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: out of the two. I think in Averro's first season,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: it was by far, that offense was atrocious that year.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: It was by far the best unit out of the two.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And then they had the one pathetic year when Burns
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and Lou Vu left and the personnel, Dan Morgan, admit
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: it was terrible. I'm just, what I'm saying is it,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I just, I don't believe a Giro Averro is a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: bum who's horrible at his job, like some of y'all do.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm trying to say here.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: And there's still talent on this defense.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Give it time, man.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: They did much better last year. We're only one weekend
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: of this season. Let's give it a little bit more
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: time here before we do another full sweeping assessment here.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: And I guarantee you, if he does better, we're not
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: going to hear from the eviscerators. They'll just ignore it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Because we didn't hear from them last year where they
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: did better. I didn't hear a lot of Averro praise
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: last year, did we? Two years ago, rightfully so, it
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: was negative. Last year, I felt they got better, but
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: yet I didn't hear a lot of praise towards Averro. Well,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: last year was— well, I was praising the crap out of them.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, you were. But last year— I'm sorry
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: about the eviscerators.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Last year was kind of like, yeah, they got better.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just— I don't know. It's a very interesting
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: thing to me. 3-3-6 is cracking me up. You aren't
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: making a good argument. We suck on both sides of
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: the ball over the last several years.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: That's what we're saying.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I guess that's part of what we're saying. But what
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: I am saying is the defense has at least had
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: some stats where in two of the three Avero years, oh, okay,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: there they are. Six yards per play, fourth defense. Last year,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: middle of the pack. The offense, I would argue, has
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: been straight hot garbage every year in the last three
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: years and going back beyond that. Like, so I just,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: last year, the defense and Bryce being clutch are the
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: reasons why, in my opinion, we made the playoffs.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a very nuanced, complex conversation. I
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: understand that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe to Bone's point, Avero gets discredited even when the
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: numbers aren't doo-doo.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Like during his tenure, people were still bitching about it
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: because of soft zone and stuff like that.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't know, man. Well, Mac, we're going to
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: take a break.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: It's time to pee. Time to Willie pee. He joins
• 42:25
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• 42:28
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• 42:31
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