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10-08-26 Hour 1 - Payton taking back playcalling?/Avs fall to Jets 3-2, Bo not taking risks/Thaaaaaa Yankees lose · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Okay, so there is a lot of ground to plow.
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  Speaker 2: We usually start the show if a team plays the
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  Speaker 2: previous night with the results of the game. And I
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  Speaker 2: do want to talk about the Avs here in a moment,
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  Speaker 2: but Vic, I think that you have an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: provide some clarity on something that has been rolling around
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  Speaker 2: for the last 24 hours or so regarding Davis Webb
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  Speaker 2: and Sean Payton. So I'll just hand you the mic.
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  Speaker 2: You go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I saw a report on Twitter from a man, Stoke,
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  Speaker 3: about Peyton taking over play calling duties. So I just
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  Speaker 3: did my due diligence and asked around a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, is that true? Is that going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: And I got confirmation that it is going to happen. Now,
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  Speaker 3: what does that mean? How much play calling? All of it?
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  Speaker 3: Some of it? Dual? Those questions are going to be
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  Speaker 3: answered today when Davis Webb meets with the media. And...
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  Speaker 3: He's going to be asked that question, and we'll find
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  Speaker 3: out today. Play calling is a weird thing, right? If
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  Speaker 3: you see Sean Payton out there with his play sheet,
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  Speaker 3: and he's speaking into his microphone, well, I guess we
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  Speaker 3: know the answer to that question. Yeah. But there is
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  Speaker 3: definitely a movement, and they've made a decision, and either
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  Speaker 3: he's going to take it over, or he's going to
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  Speaker 3: give a big assist this week. Um, assist. Fine.
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  Speaker 2: Taking over. I'm just, I'll be honest with you, Vic.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really get it. I don't get it. I
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  Speaker 2: know the offense.
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  Speaker 3: Happens all the time. It does. D'Amico Ryan's just did
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  Speaker 3: with defense. Correct.
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  Speaker 2: He did their own four, but yes, he did.
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  Speaker 3: Your Detroit coach did it last year.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: He did happens all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But here's what I tell you. If Sean Payton was
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  Speaker 2: going to make this decision, The part of the reason
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  Speaker 2: why Davis Webb is not on another team right now
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  Speaker 2: is because he was given this opportunity, right? All I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying is through four weeks, do I feel like that's enough?
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  Speaker 2: And Sean Payton had an answer yesterday. It was how, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: what was the exact sort of question that was asked
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  Speaker 2: a four game sample size of Davis Webb's play calling.
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  Speaker 2: What did he think?
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  Speaker 4: I think our focus needs to be more on the
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  Speaker 4: specific and the detail of each play. We're, regardless and
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  Speaker 4: I think Davis is very fast and quick and understands
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  Speaker 4: what we're doing so I appreciate the question but I
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  Speaker 4: think that the most important job I have is really
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  Speaker 4: evaluating the whys and after a four game sample size
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  Speaker 4: look at alright this isn't certainly this isn't championship football
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  Speaker 4: or what we see how quickly can we correct those things.
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  Speaker 3: So go ahead one thing to note He's already been
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  Speaker 3: involved in the play calling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Truth be told, he's already been involved in some of
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  Speaker 3: the plays that have come in. Now, how much, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm just told it's going to be more
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  Speaker 3: moving forward. And he's not going to be afraid to
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  Speaker 3: sit there with that sheet in front of him and
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  Speaker 3: echo perhaps a play that's called or override a play
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  Speaker 3: or come up with his own. Again, those are questions
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  Speaker 3: that we may never know the answers to. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know what is being said during a game. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know the exchange of information. We can ask those questions
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  Speaker 3: today to Davis Webb, but certainly adjustments are being made
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  Speaker 3: with the Broncos offense, and rightfully so. You know, through
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  Speaker 3: four games, the offense is going backwards.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, the adjustments have to be made. I guess
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  Speaker 2: I'd put it to you this way, Vic. I am
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  Speaker 2: very sympathetic towards Davis Webb's situation, and here's why. I
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  Speaker 2: looked up the numbers between this year and last year
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  Speaker 2: through four games. Last year was better through four games.
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  Speaker 2: Not a ton, but it was better. And I'll just
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  Speaker 2: give you a couple of different things that are reference
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  Speaker 2: points here. Through four games last year, Bo Nix had 186,
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  Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, 861 passing yards through four games with
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  Speaker 2: seven touchdowns and four picks. This year, he's got 819
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  Speaker 2: with five touchdowns and three picks. The big difference here, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you this too. 96 points scored in the
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  Speaker 2: first four games last season. This year, the Broncos have
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  Speaker 2: scored 74. Here's the big change, and there's two things
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  Speaker 2: that I think make a massive difference here. Number one
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  Speaker 2: is your rushing yards. Through four games last season, Vic,
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  Speaker 2: They had 113 carries for 573 yards through four games.
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  Speaker 2: Those are really good numbers. This year, they're at 90
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  Speaker 2: carries for 325. The difference in yards per carry is
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  Speaker 2: this year 3.6, last year 5.1. Rushing game is a
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  Speaker 2: big problem right now. But here's the other thing I'd note,
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  Speaker 2: and this is why I'm sympathetic towards Davis Webb. His
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  Speaker 2: first foray into play-calling In the first four games, he
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  Speaker 2: has played against four teams that are in the top
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  Speaker 2: ten or top five of points per game allowed and
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  Speaker 2: yards allowed. You're facing four of the best defenses the
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  Speaker 2: league has to offer. And I think that is a
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  Speaker 2: pretty harsh assessment of somebody a quarter way through the season.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. Let's see how the Broncos spin this. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to find out a lot more today around noon,
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  Speaker 3: two o'clock. Let's see how it's spun when the questions
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  Speaker 3: are asked. Yeah. Sean Payton's not talking to media today.
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  Speaker 3: It's the coordinator's turn. But when Davis Webb is asked
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  Speaker 3: these questions, and he will be, we'll find out. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get a little more clarity as to how much of
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  Speaker 3: this baton has been handed over. He may say nothing's changed.
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  Speaker 3: He may say it's fine. Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think Sean Payton feels the need to
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  Speaker 2: get in there for?
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  Speaker 3: Let me give you an example. Yeah, please. I'll give
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  Speaker 3: you an example. Because I asked this question. That's a
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  Speaker 3: great question. And I'm going to read a text. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of text on the text line. Who's sponsoring our
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  Speaker 3: text line now?
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  Speaker 2: Shomp Mazda.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Shomp. This is a personal text sponsored by...
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  Speaker 3: I'll find one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: If Bo can't see the open man downfield consistently, what
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  Speaker 3: does changing the play caller do for that?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm wondering.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a friend of mine who just texted. Thank you, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out, Brothers Barbecue. Um, my, my answer would be simple.
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  Speaker 3: Sometime it's how the message is delivered on the play call. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Z 93 for spread Z two, four, five, whatever the
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  Speaker 3: hell they call these plays. I don't know. Sutton will
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  Speaker 3: be open. Get him the damn ball.
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  Speaker 2: Just dropping one of those.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's how the message
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  Speaker 3: is delivered.
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  Speaker 2: Coordinators do do that.
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  Speaker 3: All the time.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, be sure to keep an eye on this guy.
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  Speaker 3: All the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if that will make
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  Speaker 3: a difference. I don't know if actually instructing him where
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  Speaker 3: to throw the ball. But we pointed this out yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: The film from that last game shows he's not going
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  Speaker 3: down the field. Now, he talked about it yesterday. I
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  Speaker 3: thought Bo's reaction to that was interesting. Yeah. Didn't he
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  Speaker 3: have that? Oh, we got Bo. Yeah. I thought that
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  Speaker 3: was very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Um is it about going through reads too quickly is
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  Speaker 2: that what you're looking at all.
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  Speaker 3: Of it all of it about why he's not seeing
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  Speaker 3: the guys downfield i.
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  Speaker 2: Know is this part of is this the one that
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  Speaker 2: you're cutting up nelly because it's long is that is
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  Speaker 2: this the clip well here's something from bonex yesterday this
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  Speaker 2: is going through reads too quickly.
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  Speaker 5: Well you know davis sean logan i haven't heard that
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  Speaker 5: from them a whole lot this season so you know
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  Speaker 5: that's all i'm really.
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  Speaker 2: Worried about so that was his response to not letting
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  Speaker 2: a play develop that sort of thing now we'll have
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  Speaker 2: the answer for you at that you're looking for Vic
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  Speaker 2: in just a second, but this is Sean Payton talking
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  Speaker 2: about trying not to over coach Bo.
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  Speaker 4: I think, well, hear me out. Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to the timing of feet, you know, three, five, seven,
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  Speaker 4: all of that is, is very detailed. Now, sometimes that
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  Speaker 4: pocket can get a little, but those are small things
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  Speaker 4: that are important, but they're, they're real important.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and I'll go back to something else. would
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  Speaker 2: the perception of Davis Webb be different if Bo hits
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  Speaker 2: some of the throws on the clips that you highlighted
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  Speaker 2: yesterday behind us, Vic? Like the missing the open guys
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  Speaker 2: 20 to 25 yards downfield.
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  Speaker 3: It's a group operation. Something in the operation isn't working.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody's going to catch the blame. Sean Payton talked about
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  Speaker 3: it himself when his play calling duties was stripped by
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  Speaker 3: Jim Fossil. It's happened to the greatest. It's happened to
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  Speaker 3: the best. This happens all the time in football. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: you hand it over, it doesn't work. You massage it
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. Let's go through this. Let me show
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  Speaker 3: you how to do it. Maybe, you know, all right, no,
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  Speaker 3: you do a couple. All right, I'll do it. I
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  Speaker 3: have no idea how that's going to work on game day.
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  Speaker 3: All I know is this. The word was out there.
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  Speaker 3: I got it confirmed. He's going to play a more
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  Speaker 3: active role. Let's see what Davis Webb says today.
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  Speaker 2: So all you know is more active. You don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's like totally taking over. You don't know any
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know the definition of total. If you're totally
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  Speaker 3: taking over, then. you know, what's Davis Webb doing?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'd assume he's got the role that Joe Limbaugh
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  Speaker 2: had last year right last couple years I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know at that point so those are questions
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  Speaker 3: that will remain to be answered here I just know
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  Speaker 3: this they need to jumpstart this quarterback yeah and maybe
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  Speaker 3: this is how Sean Payton is looking at it maybe
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  Speaker 3: him delivering the play call is that friendly voice in
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  Speaker 3: Bo's ear, I don't know, or not-so-friendly voice that'll prompt
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  Speaker 3: him to go to the targets he wants to go to.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's funny is.
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  Speaker 3: But this is, you know, everybody's making a big deal
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  Speaker 3: out of this. Oh, my God. This happens all the
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  Speaker 3: time in the league. Happens all the time. Play calling
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  Speaker 3: both offensively and defensively. It gets shifted around. And Sean Payton,
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  Speaker 3: when he said Hey, I remember when I got mine
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  Speaker 3: taken away from me. It's not a fun feeling. It's
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  Speaker 3: almost as if you wanted to put that out there.
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  Speaker 2: See, well, I guess the reason why I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 2: this a little bit differently than other cases around the league,
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  Speaker 2: like when you bring up Dan Campbell taking over last
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  Speaker 2: year for the now assistant coach for the Broncos, John Morton,
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  Speaker 2: that was, they went from a guy that was hired
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  Speaker 2: as a head coach somewhere else. They hired a new coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: The new coordinator was not doing well. And so he goes,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? My bad, this hire didn't work. I'll
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  Speaker 2: just take over. Sean Payton gave up the duties himself.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess my thought is, why, if you're just
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  Speaker 2: going to take him right back this quickly? That's all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean this as a negative or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, what was the purpose of it in the
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  Speaker 2: first place? I thought if he was willing to do this,
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  Speaker 2: that means he had enough trust in Davis Webb that...
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  Speaker 2: less than a quarter way through the year, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: snatch him back. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: It would be like, what was the purpose in the
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  Speaker 2: first place? Why not just keep it? That's what I
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  Speaker 2: don't get. I thought if he's going to make a
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  Speaker 2: move like this.
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  Speaker 3: He saw value in that. He saw value in, I
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  Speaker 3: got to keep my eye on more than the offense.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he saw value. Maybe it was prompted by him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, obviously, yeah. Look, man, we got one answer to
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  Speaker 2: a question that was hanging around all offseason. You know
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  Speaker 2: what this confirms, Vic? That decision to give up play-calling
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  Speaker 2: duties was not given on high.
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  Speaker 3: No, that was his.
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  Speaker 2: If he takes it back this quickly, that wasn't somebody
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  Speaker 2: else saying, you can't call plays anymore. That was him
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  Speaker 2: voluntarily doing that. But the big thing, and he talked
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  Speaker 2: about this, I think things could be made a lot
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  Speaker 2: easier with one thing. And he was asked, how do
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  Speaker 2: you get the offense going?
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, running the ball efficiently, the play-action
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  Speaker 4: passing game, And then the specifics relative to route specifics
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  Speaker 4: relative to protection. That player, there's so much that goes
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  Speaker 4: into making his job easier. And then if you're having trouble,
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  Speaker 4: for instance, with early down efficiency, man, you know, second
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  Speaker 4: and nine or third down and long, Those would be
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  Speaker 4: a few that come to my mind right away.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I just showed the numbers just quickly, Vic. I showed
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  Speaker 2: the numbers from last year. They had 573 rushing yards
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  Speaker 2: last year. For an offense that was still struggling last season,
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  Speaker 2: they have almost 200 more rushing yards last year than
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  Speaker 2: this year at this point.
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  Speaker 3: The delivery of the message is just as important as
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  Speaker 3: the message itself, the play call. And who knows, again,
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  Speaker 3: Z98 banana. You're going to have a clean pocket. We
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  Speaker 3: got max protect. Don't worry about it. Open the field.
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  Speaker 3: The middle of the field will be there. Go there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's the kind of stuff I see. Well, I can't
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  Speaker 3: wait to find out how it's going to look on
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  Speaker 3: the sidelines Sunday because that's going to tell you everything.
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  Speaker 3: Is it going to be, you know, Sean with that
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  Speaker 3: play sheet in front of his lips again with the
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  Speaker 3: words run on the back of it?
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  Speaker 2: On the ball, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but things are happening. Some of the
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  Speaker 3: text coming in, this is my favorite so far. Vic,
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  Speaker 3: I had a dream you and I were jogging and
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  Speaker 3: your thighs were massive. Absolute trunks.
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  Speaker 2: Good for you. Thank you. Dream Vic does some squats.
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  Speaker 2: Want to win tickets to the Broncos Seahawks, courtesy of
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  Speaker 2: Bud Light? We'll join Nate and Andy tomorrow at No.
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  Speaker 2: 38 for Bud Light Football Friday. They're live from 3
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  Speaker 2: and we'll see you at No. 38 We have Chad
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  Speaker 2: Brown at 8 o'clock this morning. Jeff Legwald at 9.
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  Speaker 2: But I do want to get to the Avs game
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  Speaker 2: from last night. They dropped their first one of the
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  Speaker 2: year in Winnipeg. We'll get to it next.
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  Speaker 7: Seven seconds left. Last chance here. McKinnon all the way through.
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  Speaker 3: Cadry holding.
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  Speaker 7: Shooting.
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  Speaker 3: Got a deflection. It went wide. McKinnon one more try.
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  Speaker 7: He's got the puck in the corner.
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  Speaker 3: Time has run out.
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  Speaker 7: And the Canada Life Center in Winnipeg continues to be
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: a house of horrors for the Colorado Avalanche. They just
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  Speaker 7: can't win in this building. Mercifully, we don't have to
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  Speaker 7: come back here until March. Final score in Winnipeg, Jets 3,
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  Speaker 7: Avalanche 2.
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  Speaker 2: That damn house of whores in Winnipeg. I thought the
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  Speaker 2: Avs played well yesterday. They were clicking on offense early,
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  Speaker 2: and I think, Vic, maybe you ran into the old
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: dreaded phrase... Skinner was awesome. He was really good last night.
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  Speaker 3: Don't say it.
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  Speaker 2: You got G'd.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think anybody who watched that game
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  Speaker 3: understands the Avs deserved a better result. Well, deserved is
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  Speaker 3: a tough word. They should have gotten a better result.
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  Speaker 3: They controlled the game and couldn't win the game. Bottom line.
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  Speaker 3: Controlled the game, could not win the game. To emerge
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  Speaker 3: from that without a point at least.
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  Speaker 2: That hurts well when you give one up late like
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  Speaker 2: that and it's that stupid connor who for some reason
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  Speaker 2: always always gets after the abs like i don't know
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: like you a little bit he's just redheaded no but
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: his beard looks just like you yeah he's got a
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: red beard anybody who's redheaded you say looks like me
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: name a redhead that doesn't look like me but he
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: does Him, the dude from.
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  Speaker 3: Yellowstone.
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  Speaker 2: Yellowstone, Carson Wentz.
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  Speaker 6: Prince Harry.
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  Speaker 2: Prince Harry, Ed Sheeran. Go ahead, give me some more
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  Speaker 2: redheads that I don't look like.
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  Speaker 6: Carrot Top, Dead Ringer.
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  Speaker 2: I think you could admit I do not look like
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Carrot Top.
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  Speaker 3: Nicole Kidman. Chucky.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Isla Fisher. Yeah, all of them.
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  Speaker 3: But it was hard to watch last night because... They're
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  Speaker 3: sitting there, and at one point, I saw shots on
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  Speaker 3: goal was like 22-8. Yeah. Just total domination, and yet
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  Speaker 3: the game was just too close. It was just too close.
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  Speaker 3: What is it about that place? What is it about Winnipeg?
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  Speaker 3: What is it now? One win out of the last
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  Speaker 3: six games there?
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  Speaker 2: Something like that. I mean, they outshot them 34-19, and
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  Speaker 2: you had prime opportunities. You know, they had Kale basically
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  Speaker 2: starts it off with a 102-mile-an-hour one-timer that gets stuffed.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Marty Natchez had a clear look at an open net,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: and somehow Skinner pushes all the way across to get
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: his wrist on the puck, and it shoots over the top.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: You rang the post a couple of times. It just happens.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Here's the good news, Vic, is.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Number one, the Avs are really good on the second
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: end of back-to-backs. Them and the Nuggets have that in common. So,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: they're playing again tonight. They're doing it in Calgary. Have
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: you seen... I mean, Calgary had a slow descent last
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: year into the depths of the hockey hell. That is
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: not different to start this season. They've been outscored in
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: their first three games, Vic. Calgary has.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: 16-3.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: They've been getting shelled by teams. So, I think that's...
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I think the abs will get right back at it
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: tonight and chuck up another, another dub.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: And for those of you wondering where Mark Mosier, our
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: fearless co-host is this morning, he will attempt to join
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: us a little bit later, but you got to offer
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the guy some grace. We're trying something different this year.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: You know, he just flew in with the team from
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Winnipeg last night, probably arrived at his hotel around one
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: 32 in the morning.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Mosier on fumes. That's a big risk. That we've undertaken
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: several times. So let the man get a couple minutes
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: of beauty sleep. Correct. And maybe he'll wake up, look
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: in the mirror, see that ridiculous lump of hair below
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: his lip, and say to himself, God, what am I doing?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Look at my face this morning. Okay, it looks like
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I got hit with, you know, 10 pounds of meat.
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: Oh, my.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Hey, this is true. My son last night, this is
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: my son who's, you've met him. He's a nice kid, right?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: good kid. He has nothing to say bad about anybody.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: He's almost too good a kid. Correct. You've got to
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: be more of a jerk.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Especially if he's going to be a lawyer.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Toughen up.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: He texted me a photo of Mosher last night, and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: he says, why is Mosher rocking a crazy soul patch?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: That's a great question we've asked for two years. He's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a good kid. Thank you, Ian. I'll tell you this much.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: The abs and losing last night, I'm just going to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: chalk that up to Winnipeg and things that happen in
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Winnipeg are super weird. You know what I heard from McGahee?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I was in the car during pregame. McGahee said this
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to Birdo. This is crazy to me. Because if there's
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: one place... In the hockey world that Mosier hates going
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to the most and everybody hates going to the most,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: it's Winnipeg. No disrespect to Winnipeg, but it's true. Nobody
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: wants to go there. You are almost always, when you
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: see the really good players who are about to get
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: traded and they have no trade clauses or the limited
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: movement clauses or whatever, guess what names on the list
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: of you can't trade me here for every single one
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of those guys.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly right.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: It's Winnipeg. McGahee said in pregame, I think he said
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: this is his 10th year doing play-by-play for the Avs.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: He has never been to Winnipeg before New Year's Eve.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And he goes, I got to tell you, Winnipeg in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: early October, not that bad. Because all they get whenever
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: they go there is blistering, brutal cold.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: You could say the same thing about any city in
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Near the border, right? I mean, you know, I've been
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: to Rochester, Minnesota a few times. Yeah. Rochester in January
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: versus Rochester in August. Two entirely different cities. Oh, yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Like, I hear Maine's a great place. No thanks in January.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I'd rather not.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: August? South Bend in September, October when they were showing
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: those glorious autumn Saturday television. Beautiful. Beautiful. You try to
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: traipse around that campus in February, you won't get the
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: hell out of there.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I remember, Vic, when I was in college, in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: middle of winter, it was like right before Christmas break,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: end of the first semester. I'm walking backwards from one
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: end of campus to the other to get to a
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: class because it was negative five degrees and it was
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: 40 mile an hour wind. You couldn't breathe. If you
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: stared into the teeth of it, you could breathe. She
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: had to walk backwards. People bumping into each other was crazy.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: But, but, but that still, it doesn't explain why the
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: abs in October still cannot win in Winnipeg.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Here's, this is a stupid theory, but I'll throw it
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe the party, maybe it's a party town. Maybe it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: a secret party town. And it, the allure of the
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: parties in Winnipeg is just too much. Most strip clubs
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: got the best food.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: My take on that was sort of the opposite. There was,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: there are places that you go where you're just like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I hate it here. And I think maybe the Avs
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: just show up in the Winnipeg and they're like in
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: a bad mood. Nobody wants to be there. They're like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to get out of this dump or whatever.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: And that affects their play.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Because, look, it didn't matter that Connor Hellebuck was in
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: or not in last night. Stuart Skinner played great. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I think part of it, you're running into a goaltender
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that I think is highly motivated. Think about this for
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a second. Skinner was in Edmonton for years. He gets
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: traded to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh lets him go at the end
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of this year. And he now signs on with Winnipeg.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: He's now been shipped off by two different teams over
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a calendar year, which is a red flag for a
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: lot of people in where you're at in your career.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: He now sees Connor Hellebuck doesn't want to be here
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and is suspended from the team. I could make this
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a permanent home if I play well. He's probably highly
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: motivated to go out and put up some numbers. And
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: so far, what he's done this year, Stuart Skinner, he's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: faced 100 shots. He stopped 92 of them. Pretty damn good.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: And we certainly saw that last night with how the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Avs are trying to pepper him. So, Avs dealt a
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: loss last night, but they're back at it tonight as
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: they take on a terrible Calgary team on the second
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: leg of a back-to-back. And that all starts at 7
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: o'clock right here on Altitude Sports Radio 92.5. Bucks and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Cowboys is going to be on AM 950. So, I
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: think I have the Bo Nix cuts that you were
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: talking about, Vic. Now, this is a two-minute answer from
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix. So, we'll kind of do this in pieces.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But it's about risk-taking on offense. And I think a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: lot of people looked at the cut-ups from not just
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the Niners game, but the games previous to that on
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: guys being open downfield and just missing. Here's what he said.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Well, it's the hardest thing, in my opinion, about playing
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: the position because as soon as you make one throw
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: and it's picked, then you made a bad decision. As
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: soon as you make one and you rip it and
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: you're like, well, I fit it in there, but it
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: probably wasn't smart. Well, then you're considered lucky or you're
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: a gunslinger. To me, it's not about the labels. It's
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: not about even the overall outcome. It's about what was
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: this play asking for? Did I do my job? Did
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: I not? If there's an accumulation of plays that turn
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: into me throwing the ball 100 times in a game
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: down the field, then I'll do it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So there's more to get to from this, but can
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I say this just off the top? I don't know
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: if anybody has a true problem with him not being
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: like Brett Favre with the football. Like fitting the ball
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: in between a 12-inch window or something like that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Nobody's asking you to be Jameis Winston out there.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It's a matter of when somebody's open, get them the football.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Do that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I just have a two-word answer to that. And I
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: understand where he's coming from because you don't know what
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: he's being told behind closed doors either. Yeah. Right? You
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: don't know what's been through his ears. His ear hole
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: for the last three years, right? I just think sometimes
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: you have to take the NBA approach to this stuff.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Shooters shoot.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: It's really that simple. Shooters shoot. So when you watch
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: great shooters and they miss two or three in a row,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: they don't suddenly say, well, you know, I don't want
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: to be labeled a bad shooter. I'm going to stop shooting.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: You have to keep shooting.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Steph Curry's been 0 for 11 on threes. He shoots
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: another three.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: You have to keep shooting. Yeah. Or you will not
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: make the next shot. So I don't know if that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: been ingrained in him. I'm not sure I really like
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: that response, to be honest with you. I don't either.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I don't because it says this to me, Vic. You
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: can call it being conservative. I would call it being hesitant.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It's are you really thinking about before you let a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: ball go? should I really do this?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Are you thinking about how you're going to be labeled?
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: You can't do that. Are you thinking about how you're
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: going to be labeled?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You shouldn't have any thought before you let it
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: go of, oh man, should I really be trying to
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: make this throw? I just think in sports, you have
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: to be reactive to things and you just have to let, forget,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: turn off your brain for a second and just do
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: what you've done for 20 years.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: And I think it's unfair to the coaches, by the way,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: because again, we don't, No, I want to be fair
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: to Bo here. We don't know what's being said behind
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: closed doors.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: If the notion is, listen, we cannot turn over the ball. Oh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: but now you're down 16-0. Dude, throw the ball. That's unfair.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I told you, Vic, I think that's part of it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's unfair to him. So, oh, God, guys, we
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: got to be conservative here. We can't turn it over.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Don't get sacked. Just, you know, run the offense. The
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: offense is good enough to succeed on its own. And
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden when it's not, hey, we
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: need your help. It doesn't work that way. It's got
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to be just be you from the get-go. And I
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: think there's a personality complex there.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: For sure. I've told you this. Sean Payton has that
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: sort of, it's his own Sean Payton math, which is
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: negative play. I forget what they call it, but it's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: negative plays. It's sacks, interceptions, and fumbles. And putting all
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that together and making sure that that's as low a
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: number as you can have. And we all understand that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: You don't want to turn the ball over and you
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: don't want to take sacks. Those are drive killers and
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: they can change the complexion of a game. But if
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you're so concerned with not doing that, that instead of
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: picking up a 20-yard gain, you pick up a 3-yard
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: gain because you dumped it off, you didn't want to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: take a risk, that's not good either. There's got to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: be a balance. And so he goes on to say this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: When you consistently watch and if you look at the
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: most successful guys over and over, they just take completions,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: they keep the ball moving. They have less footballs on
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: the ground. And, yeah, when it's there, you hit it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, first and 20, you're not
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: eager to just drop back and just force something out there.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: At the same time, you want to get a positive play,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: get to second and manageable so that you can get
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: to third and short. Now, sometimes you miss one and
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: you're like, man, that first and 20, I was a
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: little too safe because I didn't want to– we were
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: close to field goal range. I didn't want to put
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: the ball in harm's way. We're trying to start fast.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: I want to get, you know, for sure a field goal.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: So then, yeah, it comes back to like– I should
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: have been a little bit more aggressive, but at the
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: same time, if I'm dumb and I do something stupid,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: then y'all are killing me because I didn't take the
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: field goal.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't like how it's like, well,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: then you're going to call me an idiot. So what?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Who cares?
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: You have to be willing to take that on. Do
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: you remember even the great players, even the greatest players
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: that have ever been around take criticism? I'll give you
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: an example. Do you remember a year ago? the Nuggets
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: were playing in Dallas final seconds of the game Nikola
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Jokic had a floater from about eight feet that he
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: turned down he threw it to the wing paying Watson
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: for a three yep the Nikola eight footer is about
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: as money as it gets right right He gave up
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: that shot, threw it to Peyton Watson. Peyton Watson missed
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: at the buzzer. What did we say the next day?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He's got to shoot that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: He's got to shoot that, right?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: And I get it. You're trying to be a selfless
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: teammate and kick it to the open guy. You're the star.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Now, he had his reasons for doing that. Maybe his
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: reason was he wanted to develop some chemistry and some
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: confidence for Peyton Watson. Who knows? It doesn't change the
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: premise of the argument. If a guy is open 25
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: yards down the field and you see him, You can't
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: be thinking in the back of your mind, well, if
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I miss, what are they going to say about me?
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: That can't be part of the process.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: In some ways, that's having the yips. The yips essentially
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: are you're so afraid you're going to make a mistake
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that you can't function properly. The last part on this
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: is here.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: What does the play ask for? What situation in the
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: game are we? Are we in the fourth quarter to
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: where we're down by eight? It doesn't matter. I got
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: to do this anyway. Yeah, then let's do it. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: at the same time, we weren't in that situation majority
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: of the game to where it's just all or nothing.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Let's just be dumb. So at the same time, I
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: want to be aggressive. I want to be really, when
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: it's open, let's hit it. But at the same time,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: I've been gotten too many times trying to do too much.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: In this day and age in our offense, I don't
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: have to be a hero on every play. I don't
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: have to do too much. Get the ball to RJ
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: and he'll run for 20. You know, that's just as
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: good as sometimes throwing it 20 yards in the air.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: I'm actively looking at it, seeing where I can grow.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: But the labels and stuff, that's where you can sort
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: of get caught up in it. And if you're not careful, turnovers,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: you know, may go through the roof. And that's just
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: not what I need to be doing.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: That's really interesting, what he said there. in this offense,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I don't have to be a hero. He's right about that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: They won 14 games last year in the regular season
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: with him not really being a hero until the very end.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Of a game. Well, that's the definition of a hero.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: But, but Vic, he's saying, if I don't make mistakes
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: early in a game, our defense will keep us in it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: But he's not making mistakes. He's the offense is not
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: doing anything. I, I disagree with that whole tenant there.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll just give the ball to RJ in
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: 20 yards. When's the last time RJ Harvey got 20 yards?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not often.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: When's the last time you had that luxury?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Hang on a second. Let me look something up.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: When's the last time that happened? It'll be the first
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: time this season.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: RJ Harvey has 20 catches this year. He leads the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: team in catches, okay? What do you think his longest
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: gain is?
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: In a catch?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: 15 yards.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: 19.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: He hasn't gotten to 20 yet. His average is six
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And, you know, listen, we can overanalyze this. We can
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: sit here and talk about it. But when he says,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: you know, we can't, you know, we can't be dumb. Well,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: you know what? Late in games, when you throw everything
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: out the window, that's your best football. Being dumb is
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: your best football.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I would look at Bo and just say, just bleep
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: and sling it, dude. Just sling it. Don't worry about
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: anything else.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You're a first-round draft pick. You went to one of
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the most prestigious colleges in college football to be their quarterback,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: and you started for six years. You are good at this.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: People know you are, or you wouldn't have been in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: those positions. Just go play. Play your game.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Again, all I can do is compare to greats. Can
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: you imagine if after a game, Nikola Jokic went to
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the platform, went to the stage and said, You know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to take that shot. I didn't know what,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to be labeled something.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I think more accurately with Jokic, Vic, I didn't want
• 33:47
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• 33:51
  Speaker 2: He whips it behind his back.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: He'll do whatever the hell he wants to do.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: The length of the baseline because he knows he can.
• 33:56
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• 34:43
  Speaker 2: quickly here before we get to Chad Brown, Vic, I
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: don't know how much baseball you watched yesterday. A whole
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: bunch of clinching scenarios to move on to championship series
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: in both the AL and the NL. The Dodgers do
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: close things out, and they make it to the NLCS.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: As do the Brewers. So your National League Championship Series
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: is going to be the Dodgers against the Brewers. And
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: we all know who we're rooting for in that one.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Part of me is bummed out that San Diego is
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: knocked out of this thing. But I think the Brewers
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: got a really good shot to knock off the Dodgers.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: As good as anybody, I guess, in the NL.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I thought the highlight of yesterday's baseball was those Yankee
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: fans getting their grimy hands on another ball. Ruining a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Yankee comeback there. Well.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. That's the right call.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: How do you know that catch isn't going to be made,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: by the way? The umpire said that he's not going
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: to catch it. How do you know?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to catch it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: How do you know?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: He's up at the wall. I mean, if he had
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: go-go gadget arms, maybe. I mean, the glove wasn't near
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the ball, though. And the guy caught it with his
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: hands pressed against the wall.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: But he's on the wall, and the glove is going.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: It's just a speculative decision. Oh, he's not going to
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: catch it. You don't know for a fact.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I guess you're right. Now, I'd say this. You remember
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Meyer, right?
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. For those who missed it, by the way, Yankees-Rays game,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Volpe hits a towering shot to the left.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: To tie the game in the eighth, I believe.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Would have tied the game. And instead, a Yankees
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: fan reaches over, messes with it, They call fan interference,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: they call it now spectator interference, and they limit to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: a double. It still scores a run, but instead of
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: scoring two, had it gone out, it was a double.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: They followed that up with the strikeout.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And that's how the game ended.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that was the eighth. The Yankees had a chance
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to get the scratch on the grass. Yeah, but it
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: still ended that score. Yeah, so here's the play if
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: you guys missed it. I mean, it's right there at
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the wall. So, I mean, I suppose you're... How do
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you know he doesn't catch that? But look, it hit
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: his hands all the way up here, Vic. Just physics.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: The physics of it, I don't think he hits it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: So if it hit his hands all the way up there,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: then it should have been a home run. Correct?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: But, hang on, let me go up a little bit higher.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: It looks like it would hit the very top of
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: the wall. That's why I think it's the right call.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's hitting the very top.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: That angle looks like it's going out.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: That's the first angle that Nelly had was the best one.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: It looks like it's going to hit the very top
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of the wall and then come back down. Now, again,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I think they got the call right, but this is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: not unique in Yankees history.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I know, Nelly, you pointed out the fan that was
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: wrestling with the ball last year.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: That idiot. And you remember, he was on our list.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: For like a year.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, because he was a D-bag. Until we did
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: spring cleaning and took him off. But forget about it.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: Yankees fans are going to do what they're going to do.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: The one that, when I was a kid, I was
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: sort of an Orioles fan because I liked Cal Ripken.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Mayer, of course.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: That one is the most egregious one ever because that guy, Vic,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the difference between Jeffrey Mayer and this play, the Orioles
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: outfielder was camped underneath the baseball like this and it
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: was taken away and they called it a homer. Which
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: eventually led to them winning that series and I think
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: winning the World Series that year. Here's what's funny, though.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So this guy gets escorted out of the stadium, right?
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: He's not allowed because you interfered with play. You were
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: not allowed to stay there. Steve Bartman had to change
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: his entire identity because he did this in a playoff game.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Meyer was on Good Morning America the next day
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: being celebrated as a hero.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I don't get that. Yeah, that dude last year, remember?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: He sort of did the social media circuit as well.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: That big, burly dude? In a negative way. But he
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: took it on. Can you imagine if you're in a
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: basketball game, the other sport where the fans are right
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: on top of you, and Steph Curry is dribbling full
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: court just hard, and a fan reaches out and just
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: tips the ball away?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Vic, I've actually thought about this.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: If.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Look, man, if it's the Super Bowl, okay, and there
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: are 30 seconds left on the clock, you're up four,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: but you're punting. You punt the ball, and you see
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the returner has a clear lane for a touchdown. Nobody's
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: going to catch him. As a player, if you jumped
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: off the sideline and tackled him, what's the ruling there?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: They changed that a while ago. I... think it's a touchdown.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: They would just say, this isn't a penalty. This is
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: a touchdown, and that guy's ejected. I'm just trying to think,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: what could you do to save yourself from a horrible loss?
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: It was our boy on the Commanders. Remember when he
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: was jumping over the line? To stop the tush push
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: an infinite amount of times. And the ref came out
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: and said, if you keep doing this.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Remember, palpably unfair act. The referees can choose to award
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: a touchdown.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Just give them a touchdown.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Well, in college football, right? If, let's say the ball's
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: in midfield and you're a corner and they're going over
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: the top and you know you're going to get beat.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Tackle the dude. Tackle him. It's 15 yards. Who cares?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: You know, especially on like two point conversions to win
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: a game. I would tackle the receiver every time unless
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I'm in perfect position.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: What am I giving up? Eight inches? Who cares? How
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: about this? Instead of tackling the guy, what if you
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: go Mario Kart and you just throw a banana peel
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: out there and he slips on it? What if that happens?
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You've been to baseball games. We've all
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: been to baseball games. Is it just human reflex if
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: you're sitting that close and the ball's coming your way?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe it overrides every logical decision in your brain, and
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: human reflex says, I have to reach for the ball.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: How many times have you caught a fly ball in
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: your life? Now, I've probably done it more than most people,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: but just your playing catch. I think instinctually there is
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: something in the childlike, animalistic recesses of your brain that says,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I got to catch this thing. Whether it's in play
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: or not, you're like, it's around me. I'm catching it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And that's why you see this all the time. Texture
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: says correctly, Steve Bartman was a good kid.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Who had to change his identity. Isn't that amazing? He's
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: a good kid.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: It is amazing how Bartman had to totally redo his
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: entire life because he interrupted with Moises Alou trying to
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: catch her.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, Paul.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: And the funniest part, if you go back, ESPN had
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: this great 30 for 30 on that. Bartman is the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: scapegoat for why the Cubs lost that. You know what happened?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: The play afterwards, a routine double play ball to short
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: that the shortstop kicked. And then the run started.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I'm very aware. It's just, you know, all those things
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: had to happen for him to become the center of attention.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: But is this fan in New York, is this big
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: news now there? Is anybody talking about him?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: No, because I don't think it changed. If that ball
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: was clearly out and he did something, I don't know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: maybe that changes things. But I think because it would
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: have resulted in virtually what happened anyway, I don't think
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: it matters. Yeah, he's not going to be, he's not
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: going to get Bartmaned.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: By the way, so the only series that's left in
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the divisional is because the Guardians won yesterday. That is
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a 2-1 series with Chicago. I know we're all pulling
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: for our boy. So they have one more win to
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: move on to the ALCS, which I still believe would
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: be one of the coolest things ever. Three consecutive 100-loss
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: seasons followed up by an ALCS appearance would be Not
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: to mention, we need to have at least one more
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: celebration like that, don't we? We need Murakami.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I'm drunk! What else can he say and do? I mean,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: what other lines does he have at this point? I
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: don't have enough room for drops on here. Oh my God!
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I feel so good!
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I swear to God.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I don't have more room.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: If you just repeated that for three hours, I think
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: that'd be better radio than what we do. I think
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I would listen to that.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: We got a long way to go, but I'm wondering,
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: is anybody going to top him in the drop tournament?
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Like, is he just a lock?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Put him in the final four right now.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: The drop tournament?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Who?
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: This?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: That is going to be the overall number one seed.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Dude, have you ever been like.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I know most are giving you an old jump scare there.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Whoa.
• 43:50
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• 44:27
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• 44:34
  Speaker 2: change within offensive play calling. Sean Payton will be more involved.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Does that mean totally involved? Does that mean a little
• 44:40
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• 44:43
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