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'COME HOME': HUSBAND FRANTIC, SAYS WIFE, SPECIAL ED TEACHER VANISHED OVERNIGHT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, please come home. That is
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  Speaker 1: a desperate husband's frantic plea as his wife, a beloved
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  Speaker 1: special ed teacher, vanishes overnight. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Quiet Dan Braunsville turns into a nightmare. A local woman
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  Speaker 2: spends the day with her husband, laughing and bonding at home.
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  Speaker 2: By the next morning, she vanishes, never calling and leaving
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  Speaker 2: behind unanswered questions.
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  Speaker 1: Something is way way off. He is making desperate pleas
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  Speaker 1: for her return. I want you to hear Antoine Brown.
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  Speaker 3: I'm broke down. I don't know what doude. I did everything.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking to people. We got people only we got
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  Speaker 3: people searching for it. I'm out of options. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what to do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, but just wait.
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  Speaker 4: Chicago PD desperately searching for missing school teacher Linda Brown.
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  Speaker 4: Last scene, Saturday morning. Linda missus a weekly appointment that
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  Speaker 4: day and isn't answering her phone. Linda's five feet tall,
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty pounds, with brown hair and eyes.
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  Speaker 4: Last scene wearing a long puffy black coat with shiny
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  Speaker 4: ugg style boots. Authorities searching the area where her blue
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  Speaker 4: Honda Civic plate number c X five seven four seven
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  Speaker 4: zero located Wednesday afternoon. Anyone with information should contact Chicago
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  Speaker 4: PD SVU detectives at three one two seven four seven
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  Speaker 4: eight three eight zero.
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  Speaker 1: That original sound of the husbands from our friends at
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  Speaker 1: Fox three two Chicago. I want to break down what
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  Speaker 1: you were just hearing from Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: That was a lot of information. You got me drinking
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  Speaker 1: out of the fire hydrant right there. Too much, too fast.
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  Speaker 1: And as you know, Matt Mangino joining us in our
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  Speaker 1: all star panel tonight. He's a veteran trial lawyer and
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  Speaker 1: author of The Executioner's Tail, former dish attorney. Every detail matters,
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  Speaker 1: For instance, when you argue to a jury, you can't
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  Speaker 1: just blurt everything out at once. It's too much, too fast.
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  Speaker 1: Every single fact matters. What was she wearing? I had
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  Speaker 1: one mom disappear in her pajamas, okay, bs, I had
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  Speaker 1: one mom leave on foot. You remember Stacy Peterson. She's
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  Speaker 1: another mom that left on foot. There's her car, there's
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  Speaker 1: all our stuff, she's gone. I'm supposed to believe this
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  Speaker 1: woman and the cold, goes out on foot and disappears
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  Speaker 1: and meets a lover down the street, and the ice
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  Speaker 1: in the snow. That did not happen. So every fact matters.
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  Speaker 1: What time she was last saying, what was she wearing?
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  Speaker 1: What's missing from the house or her shoes still by
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  Speaker 1: the door. It's her car, they're her keys, her purse,
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  Speaker 1: her cellphone. See what I mean? Every fact matters, Man Gino,
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  Speaker 1: isn't that true?
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  Speaker 5: Oh it's certainly true, Nancy. And you know, as you
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  Speaker 5: just indicated, the first place that you look is who
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  Speaker 5: was the last person to have contact with her? Who
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  Speaker 5: was the last person who saw her alive? And you
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  Speaker 5: begin to build from there. So you get that information,
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  Speaker 5: you get that narrative, and you start building from there.
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  Speaker 1: The husband issuing desperate, please, over and over and over.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear another one. Fox thirty two, if you're.
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  Speaker 3: Watching this, please come home. Your family is missing you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm missing you, your friends, I'm missing you, Linda. We
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  Speaker 3: need you to come home. Baby, Susan needs you to
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  Speaker 3: come home.
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  Speaker 1: Again. From Fox thirty two Chicago. What do we know
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  Speaker 1: about the timeline you just heard Matt Mangino talking about
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  Speaker 1: you pick it up with the last person to see her. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: neighbors state that they saw her the morning she disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really not the husband. If we've got the
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  Speaker 1: timeline right, it's a little ambiguous. What does he have
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  Speaker 1: to say about the timeline?
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  Speaker 3: Listen, we watched the movie Friday night, and she went
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  Speaker 3: to bed before I did. I stayed up a little later.
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  Speaker 3: She was in the bed when I went to bed.
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  Speaker 3: When I woke up at eight thirty five, she was gone.
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  Speaker 6: Friday evening, Linda turns in early after a movie with
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  Speaker 6: her husband, and Twine awake another hour, finding Linda sound asleep.
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  Speaker 6: When he gets in bed eight thirty five the next morning,
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  Speaker 6: and Twine weeks up alone, assumes Linda is already to
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  Speaker 6: her acupuncture, But when it's been two hours with no
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  Speaker 6: word from his wife, Antoine calls, texts, no response.
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  Speaker 3: Everything was fine. Next morning I woke up, it was
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  Speaker 3: like eight thirty five. She was gone, no sign of it.
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  Speaker 3: I thought she went to acupunct She because she go
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  Speaker 3: to acupuncure.
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  Speaker 1: On Saturdays from Fox thirty two and ABC seven Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: joining US now special guest Leslie Moreno investigative reporter of
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  Speaker 1: Fox thirty two Chicago, who's been on the case from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning. Could you start with me, Leslie, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us tonight at the beginning up
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  Speaker 1: to this point where the husband's issuing the frantic police.
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  Speaker 1: What what do we know up to that point?
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  Speaker 7: So what we know right now is that the husband
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  Speaker 7: says that, you know, as you heard, they were watching
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  Speaker 7: a movie together on Friday night. He says that she
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  Speaker 7: went to bed early. When he woke up, he says
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  Speaker 7: that she was gone. He claims that he you know,
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  Speaker 7: doesn't track her location. They don't have any cameras in
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  Speaker 7: their home. He did also say that she had an
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  Speaker 7: acupuncture appointment at around eight nine in the morning, so
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  Speaker 7: he assumed that, you know, everything was normal, and that
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  Speaker 7: he that she went to that acupuncture appointment. So I
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  Speaker 7: guess what he's saying is that after calls and messages
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  Speaker 7: went unanswered, that's when they started to get worried and
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  Speaker 7: that's when family contacted police. So he thought, you know,
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  Speaker 7: she was in this acupuncture appointment that she was supposed
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  Speaker 7: to be at every Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Occupucture every Saturday. Interesting, so he just assumed that's where
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  Speaker 1: she went. Did we hear Leslie by chance. What was
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  Speaker 1: the movie?
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  Speaker 7: No, he did not say what the movie was. We
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  Speaker 7: also didn't ask This was on Tuesday. I believe the interview.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we're just asking him. He was very emotional.
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  Speaker 7: We were just trying to get some of the basic details.
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  Speaker 7: He did say that she took some sort of time
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  Speaker 7: off from school. She's a special ed teacher in Chicago.
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  Speaker 7: He did say that she took some time off and
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  Speaker 7: that was set to return back to school on Monday.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously she she didn't return.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, the search is on now for a beloved special
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  Speaker 1: ed teacher. Sidney Summery joining US investigative reporter with crime stories. Sidney,
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  Speaker 1: I need to clear something up, man, Gina was right.
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  Speaker 1: You start with the last known sighting of the victim.
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  Speaker 1: Did the neighbors see her last that following morning or
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  Speaker 1: was the husband the last one to see her?
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's a little bit ambiguous, but police reports say
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  Speaker 8: that Linda was last seen Saturday morning. So we've heard
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  Speaker 8: from the husband the last time he saw her was
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  Speaker 8: when he got into bed with her that night. So
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  Speaker 8: we think that neighbors actually did see Linda outside of
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  Speaker 8: her home, possibly walking to her car getting ready to
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  Speaker 8: go to that appointment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, this is a concern. Let to go to
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  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons joining us. He is the director of Operations
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  Speaker 1: at USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team of private
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  Speaker 1: investigators and searchers that look all around the world for
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  Speaker 1: missing people. Brian, without a timeline, an accurate timeline, that hurts.
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  Speaker 1: That hurts because you don't know where to start. For instance, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not naming the husband, true, I actually mean that,
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  Speaker 1: But I could rule him out if someone had seen her,
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  Speaker 1: say at the gas station next to the acupuncturist right see,
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  Speaker 1: I could rule him out. But without my timeline, I
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  Speaker 1: really can't rule anybody out. And that's why it's very
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  Speaker 1: significant that the neighbors may have been the last one
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  Speaker 1: to see her fanning around outside as if she were
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  Speaker 1: getting into her car.
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  Speaker 9: Spot on.
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  Speaker 10: And what we can do is start to bracket this timeline.
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  Speaker 10: We know the time of that standing acupuncture appointment, we
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  Speaker 10: know the time that mister Brown says was the last
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  Speaker 10: time that he saw and if we can add something
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  Speaker 10: in between, was that a ring camera which she was
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  Speaker 10: caught on that gave us a description of clothes? Was
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  Speaker 10: it a neighbor who physically saw her. Where did that
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  Speaker 10: description of what she was wearing come from? That's a
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  Speaker 10: key question right now in this investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So if the neighbor didn't see her that morning, if
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  Speaker 1: it's not captured on ring, which is a really good idea,
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  Speaker 1: we've got to fall back to the husband and the
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  Speaker 1: missing special ed teacher watching the movie the night before. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, you and I have analyzed the Scott Peterson
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  Speaker 1: murder case, double murder case, many many times. And remember
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson kept saying that he and Lacey, his very
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  Speaker 1: pregnant wife, watched Martha Stewart at a certain time and
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  Speaker 1: it was very critical to the timeline. And then as
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  Speaker 1: it turned out that Martha Stewart and they even asked
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  Speaker 1: him what episode and every episode was very memorable. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why I'm very curious as to what they were watching, Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Was it on TV? Was it something on Netflix where
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  Speaker 1: there's not a schedule. Did they actually go get a
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  Speaker 1: video and watch it? I find that hard to believe,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, downloads are traced. I can tell if
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  Speaker 1: someone watched Dexter off of Prime at nine o'clock at night,
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  Speaker 1: that's when Lucy and I usually sink into dexter. You
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  Speaker 1: can tell when something's downloaded, when it is watched, how
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  Speaker 1: many minutes it's watched. All of that is recorded. So
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  Speaker 1: I want to know that. I want to know what
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  Speaker 1: they watched. I want to know what time they watched it,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to figure out what time she went
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  Speaker 1: to bed. I want to look at her phone to
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  Speaker 1: see did she text anybody before she went to bed?
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  Speaker 1: When was she last active on social media? Did she
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  Speaker 1: get a phone call, did she make a phone call?
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  Speaker 1: Do we know any of that? And again I'm not
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  Speaker 1: naming the husband. I'm trying to create a timeline point.
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  Speaker 8: We really don't have any of that information, but you're right,
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  Speaker 8: that is absolutely something police could look up using their
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  Speaker 8: home devices. The husband could absolutely provide that information if
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  Speaker 8: he's cooperating with investigators. And it sounds like Linda was
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  Speaker 8: in very close contact with family members. She has a sister,
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  Speaker 8: and that sister also grew concerned hearing nothing back from
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  Speaker 8: Linda in a matter of hours. So it sounds like
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  Speaker 8: she is very well connected and may well have been
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  Speaker 8: communicating right up until the time she went to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't anybody have life three sixty. When you don't hear
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  Speaker 1: from your spouse or your child for four hours, just
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  Speaker 1: look at that, see where they are. It's not hard. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: back to the moment. We have to analyze every single thing.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, I was in wind Pass about one point thirty
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  Speaker 3: two o'clock. I'm staring to, you know, wonder like what's
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  Speaker 3: going on. She hadn't called me, because she normally call
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  Speaker 3: me and tell me where she going. She never did.
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  Speaker 11: We got in touch with Antoine to say, you know,
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  Speaker 11: how's Linda doing today? Have you talked to her at all?
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  Speaker 11: And then he was like, no, I was thinking that
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  Speaker 11: maybe she was with you and I haven't seen her.
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  Speaker 6: Lisa, Linda's sister, also concerned. By two PM, Lisa contacts
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  Speaker 6: Antoine to check on Linda, but Antoine was hoping his
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  Speaker 6: wife was with her. Antoine contacts Linda's acupuncturist and learned
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  Speaker 6: she missed her scheduled appointment. Neither Antoine or Lisa able
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  Speaker 6: to reach Linda. The family reports her missing to Chicago police.
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  Speaker 6: Officers put out a bolo for the missing woman in
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  Speaker 6: her car, a blue twenty twenty one Honda Civic with
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  Speaker 6: Illinois plates from.
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  Speaker 1: Our friends, at ABC seven Chicago and wg N nine
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  Speaker 1: joining me now, in addition to the guests you've already
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  Speaker 1: heard from, Ronda de carer is joining us. The founder
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  Speaker 1: of Missing an American Network, is to help find missing people,
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  Speaker 1: to help families find missing people, Randa, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Does nobody but may have Find my
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  Speaker 1: iPhone because you just hit that and it helps you
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  Speaker 1: find your iPhone. As a matter of fact, we've had
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  Speaker 1: cases just recently where iPhones and people were failed by
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  Speaker 1: just doing the Find my iPhone app. Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Absolutely, I would have the second that I woke up
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  Speaker 12: and my husband wasn't there, I would have been on
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  Speaker 12: Find my iPhone to see where he was. So I
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  Speaker 12: it's we look at it daily with our families. So
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  Speaker 12: that's a that's a great tool that all families should have.
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  Speaker 12: But I one of the things that I wonder about.
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  Speaker 13: That is.
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  Speaker 12: Did law enforcement do a ping on her phone? They
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  Speaker 12: may know where she where she went, and where she
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  Speaker 12: was by pinging her phone, and so that's information that
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  Speaker 12: they have that we don't have, and so they might
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  Speaker 12: have a bigger, a better picture than we have at
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  Speaker 12: this point.
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  Speaker 1: Rhonda de care joining us Missing an American netw You're projecting.
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  Speaker 1: You're projecting how you see the world onto this case,
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  Speaker 1: you said, which is dangerous, but you can't help it.
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  Speaker 1: I do it too. You said, if I woke up
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  Speaker 1: and my husband wasn't there, I would start calling him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: she had a weekly appointment with an acupuncturist, and he
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  Speaker 1: says he assumed she went there and she did have
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  Speaker 1: an appointment which she never made. But I'm the same way.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, if I walk in and one of my
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  Speaker 1: twins is not in their room or in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: I immediately call them. I try to find them. I
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  Speaker 1: try to find them first before I call them. But
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  Speaker 1: that's me projecting how I would react. And to doctor
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Lacy, joining US psychotherapist, CEO of Life Counseling Solutions,
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  Speaker 1: author of many books, and hosts of the Resilient Profess
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  Speaker 1: podcast on YouTube, Doctor Jennie, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help but project what I would have done
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  Speaker 1: in that situation onto the facts. Why do we do that?
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  Speaker 1: Not everybody wants to track down a family member when
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  Speaker 1: they don't know where they are.
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  Speaker 14: But at Nancy, it's very normal that we project on
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  Speaker 14: what we would do in these situations. But until we
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  Speaker 14: are in that situation, and until we know the family dynamics,
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  Speaker 14: we don't know what we're gonna do. You know, This
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  Speaker 14: is what I would say about Antoine Brown, Like, his
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  Speaker 14: behavior so far has.
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  Speaker 9: Been consistent withine with a genuine distraught spouse.
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  Speaker 14: Right, He's been publicly emotional, he's been cooperative with police,
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  Speaker 14: and he's given some details. But a deceptive spouse typically
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  Speaker 14: controls the narrative more tightly. So that said, the spouse
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  Speaker 14: has always looked that closely in these cases, and for
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  Speaker 14: good reason, right, Nancy, So because statistically, intimate partners are
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  Speaker 14: the most common perpetrators when something happens to women.
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  Speaker 9: But what I would want to know is, oh, what
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  Speaker 9: was the state of their marriage, Like, is there any conflict?
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  Speaker 14: What does her phone and financial activities show about when
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  Speaker 14: she left? And that he have any unusual behavior that morning?
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  Speaker 14: But right now I don't see any red flags pointing
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  Speaker 14: to him. But I also don't have access to what
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  Speaker 14: investigators know.
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  Speaker 9: Time will tell.
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  Speaker 3: I'm terrified, man, I'm just shaking.
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  Speaker 13: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I just need my wife home. Man, Seriously, I need
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  Speaker 3: a wife home.
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  Speaker 4: Concern turns to fear when Linda still hasn't returned home Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: Though Antoine last saw Linda Friday night, neighbors say they
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  Speaker 4: spotted her Saturday morning near their home. Linda's purse with
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  Speaker 4: her wallet and phone are missing from the home, and
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  Speaker 4: her phone still rings when called. Family and friends retrace
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  Speaker 4: the teacher's last known steps, hoping to discover some clue
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  Speaker 4: to her whereabouts, but don't find any leads. Authorities still
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  Speaker 4: haven't located her car either.
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  Speaker 15: She's in constant contact with me. She never leaves Antoine's
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  Speaker 15: side without him knowing where she's goal. Weakness's just not
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  Speaker 15: like her.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at NBC Chicago. Okay, wait, well, let
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  Speaker 1: me understand something. Leslie moreno joining US investigative reporter Fox
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  Speaker 1: thirty two Chicago. She goes missing Saturday morning, right, isn't
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  Speaker 1: that right?
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  Speaker 7: Correct? Well, last time she was seen by her husband
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  Speaker 7: was Friday night again while they were watching that movie,
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  Speaker 7: and then she was officially reported according to Chicago police,
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  Speaker 7: on January third, which is Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now, hold on just a moment. Friday night, neighbors
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  Speaker 1: say they spotted her Saturday morning near their home, so
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  Speaker 1: that would have been Saturday morning, and she is reported
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  Speaker 1: missing when.
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  Speaker 7: On Saturday, January third?
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  Speaker 1: What time on Saturday?
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  Speaker 7: Police would not give us that information. They just said
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  Speaker 7: January third.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, do you have any idea what time of
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  Speaker 1: the day she was reported missing?
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  Speaker 8: We know that she was reported missing Saturday afternoon. This
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  Speaker 8: was a few hours after Antoine and Lee so realize
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  Speaker 8: they can't get in touch with Linda. So she was
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  Speaker 8: reported that afternoon. And I assume, and this is just
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  Speaker 8: from hearing the context of everything that went on, that
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  Speaker 8: neighbors saw her early Saturday morning, around the time that
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  Speaker 8: she would have normally left for that appointment.
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  Speaker 4: When Linda misses the first day of school after winter break,
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  Speaker 4: loved ones know something's wrong. Linda would never let her
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  Speaker 4: students down.
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  Speaker 3: That was her main thing is helping kids that she
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  Speaker 3: loved it. She never missed a day of work. She
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  Speaker 3: always went and she always had a smile on her face,
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  Speaker 3: positive attitude all the time.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at w g N nine that Brian
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  Speaker 1: Fitzgibbons is what we call routine evidence, not typical evidence
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  Speaker 1: as in huh huh, routine evidence of someone's routine. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that that following Monday morning, it was the end
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  Speaker 1: of the Christmas break. She was supposed to be back
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  Speaker 1: in school with her special ed class, very devoted, and
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  Speaker 1: she didn't show up. I mean, according to the sister,
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  Speaker 1: we hear that they're in constant contact. She and her
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  Speaker 1: sister right there tells me something is very wrong, because
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  Speaker 1: that is routine evidence. The fact that she's not calling
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: or texting the sister or responding to the sister. You
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: can start the timeline right there if you don't have
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: a better starting point. I mean, we've seen timelines start
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: when a dog barks, and I'm referring to the Nicole
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Brown murder Nicole and Ron Goldman. The neighbors heard the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: dog Akita and a quote plaintive Howel and we believe
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that's when the dog discovered Nicole's body in the front yard.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So timelines can start based on a lot of different things.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: But when she stops responding to her sister, I would
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: say the timeline starts at least right there.
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: What do you think, absolutely, Nancy, And we've seen this
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: in a number of cases that we've covered, Uh, Suzanne Clark,
• 20:12
  Speaker 10: Nikki Chang, Sale McCain. You know, the non response is
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: a window to start identifying what were her last messages?
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: And I did notice in one of the press conferences,
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: I believe it was the husband said that her phone
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: was on for a period of time, So that phone
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: being on in non response of you know, we can
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: we can zero in on that window of time where
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: something may have happened.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: To crime stores with Nancy Grace point about her not
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: showing up to work on Monday. Back to doctor Janey
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Lacy joining US license psychotherapist and author and star hit
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: podcast Doctor Janey A lot of times is SOP standard
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: operating per se that a husband and a wife, they argue, boyfriend, girlfriend,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: any partners, they argue and one will storm off. That's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: not unusual. But when you then miss work, that's another
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: layer of red flag activity. Explain that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: You know, when I.
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: Think about this particular case, Nancy, this is important because
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: special education teachers, they are unique breed, right, They're caregivers
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: at their core, their patience, they're selfless, they're deeply committed
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: to the ulnerable population. And Linda's family said.
• 21:38
  Speaker 14: Helping kids was her main thing and she loved it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 14: So people like Linda often put others' needs before their own.
• 21:44
  Speaker 14: They show up even when they're struggling. The fact that
• 21:47
  Speaker 14: she never missed the day of work, tells me she
• 21:49
  Speaker 14: had a strong sense.
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: Of duty and identity tied to her role.
• 21:53
  Speaker 14: So when when someone like this suddenly disappears, doesn't show
• 21:57
  Speaker 14: up for work, doesn't call, doesn't follow her routine, it's
• 21:59
  Speaker 14: amazing your red flag that something is very wrong. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 14: this isn't someone who would just take off without telling anyone.
• 22:06
  Speaker 14: This is someone who would push through her own pain
• 22:08
  Speaker 14: to be there for her students.
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: So that's what makes this so alarming.
• 22:12
  Speaker 14: Linda's disappearance is completely inconsistent.
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: With who we know she to, who we know her
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: to be, unempty.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Missing an American network founder Ronda to care with us. Ronda,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I agree with everything doctor Janey just said. Because husband
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and wife, they can get angry at each other, argue,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: just get irritated and stomp off, or not return calls
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: or text just leave me alone. Let me just sim
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: her down. But her track record is she never misses work,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and then she misses work. That's a huge red flag.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Would you agree. A lot of people go off the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: grid when they're angry at their spouse, or they're just
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: irritated or fed up or whatever. Not returning a phone call,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that's not the end of the world. Not being on
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Life three sixty, not having to find my iPhone on Okay,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: no big deal. This is America. You can go off
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the grid. But for someone that never ever misses work
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to not show up the first Monday after Christmas break,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: she's gone. She's gone, Ronda.
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: I agree with you. Something is keeping her from being
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: at work. There's a reason why she's not there. She
• 23:26
  Speaker 12: wouldn't make that choice on her own, So I agree
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: that it's very concerning.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Ravus Gibbons. This is your specialty, you and Ronda's what
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: about it? Because to me, it means more that she
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: didn't show up for work than that she didn't pick
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: up the phone. I mean, people get fed up, they
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: don't want to answer the phone, some me or know
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: to cut the phone off. Right So, not the end
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of the world, but not showing up for work to me,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: right there, that tells me this woman is either being
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: hell hostage, she's been hurt, somebody has her, or she's dead.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: For her not to show up to work with her
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: work history.
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, there's certainly a hierarchy here where not showing up
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: to work would be at the top of the list.
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: Missing the appointment that was a standing appointment is also
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: a big deal.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: You know, there could be something going on that you
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: don't respond to texts for a day or two, you
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: might have your phone off, etc. But missing these standing
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: appointments in the routine is really something that jumps off
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: the page here, and I think what's critical?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, fitz Gibbons, you're right. I want you to expound
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: on that, because missing work, which she never did, huge
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: but you're right, it dates back to Saturday, it dates
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: back to that nine am appointment. At that time, she
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was gone in the wind because she never missed that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: acupuncturre's appointment, or she would have called in care anseled.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: She would not lave the doctor hanging in the wind. Correct.
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, And you know, in isolation, missing the acupuncturist appointment
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: may not mean anything, but when we add missing work
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: the next Monday, we can really narrow that timeline down
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: to say, whatever happened happened prior to that acupuncturist appointment.
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: We can say that pretty confident.
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: She's in constant contact with me. She never leaves Antoine's
• 25:25
  Speaker 15: side without him knowing where she's goal week, and.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: It's just not like her and bas Chicago.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Linda Brown, a devoted special education teacher in Chicago, spends
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: her days caring for vulnerable children. Now, the woman known
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: for always showing up suddenly disappears after leaving for a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: scheduled appointment on a Saturday morning and is never seen again.
• 25:46
  Speaker 16: It's not like her to just disappear, like we don't know.
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: You know, we got family. You know I got family.
• 25:52
  Speaker 16: You know that are helping to look and a lot
• 25:54
  Speaker 16: of support to teachers and everybody else's helping to look
• 25:57
  Speaker 16: for her.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Five days after Linda Brown last scene, police locate Linda's
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: car and begin searching the immediate area. Authorities do not
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: release where the car was found to protect their investigation.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Her family is extremely relieved investigators have a lead, but
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: still fear for Linda's safety, concerned she may need medical attention.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, that was from my friends at NBC Chicago. You
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: are hearing her brother in law speaking. Okay, man, GINO,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: now I've got something. The vehicle. The vehicle has been found.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious, very curious why police are not releasing
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the location where her vehicle was found. It must be probative.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: It must mean something. For instance, example, when Shenan Watts
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: went missing pregnant two little children, Bella and Celeste, guess
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: where they were found? Surprise, surprise, at the husband, Chris
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Watts's work location. He was in the oil business, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the body were found stuffed down cylinders at one of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the Anadarko oil fields out in the middle of nowhere. Okay, Now,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: who would have known about that him? So, for instance,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: if you find her car down a ravine behind the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: acupuncturist's office, I'd look at him or somebody that weren't there.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I'd look at all the ring cameras and surveillance to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: see if someone a vagrant, anyone in that area, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I just try to pick them up on video surveillance.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: So see what I mean. If a car was there,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it would indicate someone within the acupuncturist office or someone
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: in that vicinity. If it was at a shopping center
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and as part right in front of the Dollar Tree,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: well i'd look at people within the Dollar Tree. I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: pull that video. So that's what I'm saying. I find
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it unusual that police are not releasing that unless that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: tells them their target, because I would want the public
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to know, hey, she was partner in front of the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Dollar Tree at this time on her way to acupunctures.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Did anybody see her? I would be putting out a
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: bolo pronto be on the lookout.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I agree with that, but unless they have
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: a suspect in mind, and maybe they want to keep
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: that information from the public because they want an opportunity
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: maybe to talk to this person of interest to find
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: out what they know without this information being available to
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: the public. Was their blood, was there other things that
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: were found there?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: Was her purse still in the vehicle? You know, all
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: these issues that might indicate that she was taking from
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: that vehicle aggressively in some way, you know, so that
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: this information not available to the public, but focused in
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: on a specific person who might have harmed her.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk about the car. This is
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a plethora, a treasure trove of information. Do you guys
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: remember the Terry Grinstead missing teacher case. She was murdered.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's very hard to put that case together because the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: killers were students that she had had many years before
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and they met again by happenstance and they killed her.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: But she was one of those people. Remember this Sydney Sumner.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: She kept her car completely pristine. You know those people.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You get in the car, you think it's brand new,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: but it's three years old. But when her car was
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: discovered in her garage, it was covered in mud and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, and the driver's seat, said was pushed back.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: She was very patient.
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: She was so short. Yeah, it made no sense.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: And the other thing said, speaking Tara Grinstead, when her
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: mother took me through her home, said it looked like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a little jewelry box. It was completely perfect, like out
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of a magazine. Can I tell you something? The bed
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: was a skew, some pearls had been broken and were
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: on the floor, and there was something hinky about a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: lamp shade. Maybe it was tipped over or askew. But
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: she was the kind of person that would never have
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: left it like that. So let's think about her car, said,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: what are we going to get from the car? What
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: do you know about where the car was? Was it wrecked,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: was it out of gas? Did it have a flat tire?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Do we know anything?
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: Chicago police are keeping those details very close to the vest.
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: They haven't even released where the car was located. We're
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: not even sure if they've told her family the location.
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: The husband is reporting that this car has been found
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: in that police are not releasing that information because they
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: are still searching the immediate area for any sign of Linda.
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: But we're not even sure if he actually knows.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Leslie Marina joining us in VESCA reporter Fox thirty two
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: on this from the very very beginning, Where is Linda?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Is there any word official or otherwise as to where
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: her car was found? Yeah?
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: So I texted both the husband and Linda's brother in
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: law yesterday as I do every day, to follow up,
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: and I asked him if there was any update. They
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: both texted me back right away to say that Linda's
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: vehicle had been found. Obviously, what I do is I
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: reach out to Chicago Police to see if they could
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: confirm that info. They did not have any updates. So
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: as far as we know, what the family is saying,
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: both the husband and her brother in law is that
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: Chicago police did find the vehicle. They said that they
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: were not releasing the location of that vehicle because again,
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: police are actively searching that area. They could not confirm
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: whether what conditioned the vehicle was found in or whether
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: any items were inside the vehicle. So Yeah, what we
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: know right now is what family is telling us. It's
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: unclear right now if family even knows the location where
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: that vehicle was found. But again police are not confirming
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: any of those details.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I find that very very curious. You know, to Brian Fitzgibbons,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: what can we get from the vehicle, I mean fingerprints,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: DNA here Mangino talk about possibly blood. You can get
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a lot from that. And if it's got a nav system,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: remember everything we learned from the navigation system in the
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Alex Murdock double murder trial, in the murders of his
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: wife Maggie and son Paul. Really we got him down
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to the minute when he scratched off from the double murder.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing how fast he went when he slowed down,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: let the passenger side elect you window down from his
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: control area at the driver's seat through out Maggie's phone.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Her phone was found at that spot. Then he lets
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the window up and Hi tails it to get an
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: alibi at his mother. Mother's home about thirty forty minutes away.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: She has dementia, so she can't testify one way or
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the other. You could tell when he parked, when he
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: got out, when he got back in and went back
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to the crime saying to Oh, my stars, find the bodies.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: So if she's got a NAV system, I'm learning even more.
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah, three things that we're going to find from this vehicle. First,
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: just the location that it was in is going to
• 33:45
  Speaker 10: tell add essential information to this story. Secondly, the digital
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: evidence that could be recovered there, like you're saying, with
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: the NAV system, where did she go prior to parking
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: that vehicle. The third thing is the physical evidence, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: seat position, it aligned with her height? Is there DNA evidence,
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: their fingerprints, is their blood? Was somebody else in that
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: vehicle that was not Linda Brown? And there's going to
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: be quite a bit of information coming from this vehicle.
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: And at twenty twenty one it will have a NAB system,
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: so they should be able to get something from that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Brian, do you remember the Teresa Holbach murder. She was
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: murdered by Stephen Avery. He and his nephew assaulted her
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and murdered her. He then hid her car. She was
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a photographer and she got an assignment with I got
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the auto trader and she went out to his salvage
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: lot to take a photo. Okay, first of all, he
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: came to the door in a towel. Bye bye, But
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: she didn't want to go back. She went back because
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: she needed the money. Her vehicle was found at the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: back of his salvage lot. And guess what was found.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: You mentioned DNA. It can be so subtle. Police found
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: well CSI found his sweat on the ignition. So can
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you even imagine He's a huge, hulking monster. Can you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: imagine him? In some ways he reminds me of Rex
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Hureeman in their body type hunched over Here's she had
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit of compact car, folding himself in there
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and hunched over, trying to make that car start so
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: he could go hide it and sweating. So his sweat
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: was found on the ignition of the murder victim's car. Wow.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: So when you say DNA, you mean DNA. It could
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: be in any number of forms, right forsgibbons?
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, and often you'll find small hair follicles. Any
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: piece of DNA can be found in that vehicle. And
• 36:06
  Speaker 10: investigators are going to be learning quite a bit as
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: they dig into that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: It's not like her to just disappear like you don't know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 16: you know, we got family, You know I got family.
• 36:17
  Speaker 16: You know that are helping to look and a lot
• 36:19
  Speaker 16: of support the teachers and everybody else's helping to look
• 36:22
  Speaker 16: for her.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Five days after Linda Brown is last seen, police locate
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: Linda's car and begin searching the immediate area. Authorities do
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: not release where the car was found to protect their investigation.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Her family is extremely relieved investigators have a lead, but
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: still fear for Linda's safety, concerned she may need medical attention.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And they say Chicago.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Her husband, Antoine Brown, says the couple spends the night
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: together watching movies, enjoying what appears to be a normal
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: evening before going to bed early. By morning, Linda is gone.
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: She is with contact with Antoine all the time. This
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: is so out of her character to be missing. We're
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: hoping that the detectives can maybe ping her phone eventually.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: That from our friends at WGN nine, and of course
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the public is weighing in with a multitude of conspiracy theories.
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: Listen, but he said his wife was missing on the
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: way to an acupuncture appointment. Now, he said they had
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: a quiet night together at home watching a movie before
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: she went to bed early, and she went to bed early.
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: He woke up at eight forty five am and she
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: was gone. Now, remember that he woke up, she was going.
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: He didn't see her leave. I'm not a detective, but
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: how we know what she was wearing? He woke up
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: at eight forty five and she was gone. How we
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: know what she was wearing? How we know what she
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: had with her? Yeah, I'm not saying.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: That this man did it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: I'm not saying. But and again, if she has her
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: phone with her and he said that the phone is
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: still ringing, can they just ping the phone and see
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: who she is get a general vicinity of where the
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: phone is ringing at and whatnot? You know what I mean?
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: He was the last person to see her, and unless
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: she went to bed with her shiny ug style boot zone.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: That from mental illness on insta. Okay, again, the husband
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is not a target. Remember neighbors say they saw her
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that morning, when the husband says he was still asleep. However,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that's a really good point. How in the hey ron
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: died to care? Does he know that she was wearing
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a puffy jacket and ugg boots if he last saw
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: her in bed?
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: Well, they answer that question would be speculation. I mean
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: they could have cameras in their home. That they saw
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: her leaving. It could be a neighbor or camera. We
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: don't know the answer to that, so answering that question
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: would just be speculation. Somebody had to have seen her
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: for them to say that him or a ring camera
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: or something.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Well, you're right about that. Someone had to see her
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: in that outfit, Anti mattan Gino. I mean, when you
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: we first hear the argument goes, wow, how did he
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: know what she was wearing? If he just saw her
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: in bed? She certainly didn't go to sleep in a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: puffer jacket and ug boots. But Ronda Dekier is right,
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  Speaker 1: a neighbor could have described what she was wearing. It's
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  Speaker 1: just that simple things are not always as they sing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, and and that's that's crucial evidence in this
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  Speaker 5: in this case because if someone did see her in
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  Speaker 5: the morning dressed with the puffy jacket and ugg boots,
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  Speaker 5: then that that is plausible that she she left without
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  Speaker 5: him knowing. If he didn't provide that information, uh, that
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  Speaker 5: description of what she was wearing in the morning, then
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  Speaker 5: obviously there is her leaving the house under her own
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  Speaker 5: free will, uh, with with these clothes on that were described.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Nancy We've seen this, uh, you know, pleading
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  Speaker 5: spouse or parent over and over again in cases. And
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  Speaker 5: I think that that certainly doesn't, you know, add anything
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  Speaker 5: more to this case other than the fact that he's
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  Speaker 5: out there in front of the cameras talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: But I think some of the things that he says,
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  Speaker 5: you know, raise my antennas in terms of what exactly
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  Speaker 5: happened here and what his involvement in it.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Finny, and it brings
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to mind another case. Again. Of course, you can recall
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson would not go in front of the cameras.
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  Speaker 1: They had to drag him in front of the cameras
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  Speaker 1: to make him issue a plea to find Lacy Peterson,
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  Speaker 1: his wife. But also I recall the mom to Bot
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  Speaker 1: mom to Bought case, the mother of a little girl
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  Speaker 1: who goes missing, and when investigat and reporters came to
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  Speaker 1: his door, he opened the door like that much to
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  Speaker 1: speak to them. Let's say that and like you know,
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  Speaker 1: very good, like you know scenes like two months you know,
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  Speaker 1: like before that, you know, one time we had like
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  Speaker 1: some arguments because you know, yeah, that's for our friends
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  Speaker 1: at w U S A nine I mean it would
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  Speaker 1: SeeMe to me, just naturally, doctor Janey Lacey, that you
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  Speaker 1: would want all the press you can get in this case,
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  Speaker 1: you know, compared to mom to Bot's husband, he's out
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  Speaker 1: front and center asking for help exactly.
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  Speaker 14: And I think, you know, for the for the family right,
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  Speaker 14: they need to keep working closely with police and share
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: any detail, no matter how small. And I think we
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  Speaker 14: also would suggest that they should probably be checking phone records,
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: credit card activity, and you know, as we already talked
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  Speaker 14: about social media, anything that shows any type of digital footprint.
• 41:50
  Speaker 14: But we think about anyone she may have confided in,
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: a friend, a coworker, a therapist, and consider if there
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: was any recent stressors or triggers or conversations that seemed off.
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  Speaker 14: So having all of this on front and center, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 14: to continue to communicate and to take the.
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  Speaker 9: Press act, I think for the community right.
• 42:08
  Speaker 14: When we share photos and there's information that's wildly available,
• 42:12
  Speaker 14: someone may have seen her. Check dashboard cameras, door bell camera,
• 42:17
  Speaker 14: security footage, you know in wicker Park and Bronxville, and
• 42:21
  Speaker 14: if they saw a blue Honda Civic on a woman
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: or a woman matching her description, to call the police.
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  Speaker 9: Immediately so so so, Nancy.
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: You know what I would speak directly to is, is
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: you know if Linda was watching right Linda to tell
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: them that her family loves her and the students love her,
• 42:37
  Speaker 14: and to bring her back.
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: So I think keeping that press and keeping it if.
• 42:41
  Speaker 14: Front and center is going to be so important because
• 42:43
  Speaker 14: someone has to come forward at some point.
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: We got in touch with Antoine to say, you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: how's Linda doing today? Have you talked to her at all?
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: And then he was like, no, I was thinking that
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: maybe she was with you and I haven't seen her.
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  Speaker 15: She's in constant contact with me. She never leaves Antoine's
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  Speaker 15: side without him knowing where. She's goal weak and it's
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: just not like.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Her wg N nine and NBC Chicago.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Panic deepens when Linda's blue twenty twenty one Honda Civic
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: is missing from the home, along with her purse and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: credit cards, raising fears that something could be terribly wrong.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Major development in the case that the vehicle was found
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: with purse and credit cards. What does that tell us
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: was she driving the vehicle and what evidence can be
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: gleaned from that vehicle right now? Unusual cops not releasing
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: where her car was found or what condition it was in.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Was there a flat, was it out of gas? Did
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: she have car trouble? Was the hood up? Was it
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: at the far end of a parking lot, parked amongst
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of cars? So many questions, the answers to
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: which could lead to assuspect and of course under scrutiny.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Is the husband as he always is. That does not
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: mean he's guilty at all. Questions being asked about him
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: going to sleep and waking up and her being gone,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: now a lot of that is negated. A lot of
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the questions that you'd naturally ask about the husband is
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: negated by the fact that some neighbors state they see
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: her the following morning. And to you, Sidney Sumner, a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: crime story's investigative reporter, you believe there's other information that
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: gives credence to the husband's story.
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, this is a teacher, Linda Brown. She wasn't
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: expected at work for nearly two weeks, so that kind
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: of leads you to believe. Okay, do I believe the
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: story that he last saw her on Friday night or
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: did she possibly go missing earlier than that? But we
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: know that Lisa, the sister doesn't get concer she earned
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: until Saturday, and she says she's in constant contact with
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: her sister. So it does lend some credibility to the
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: story that everything was okay Friday night. She was okay
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: up until Saturday.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Ban Is Gibbons, What do you make of that?
• 45:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's certainly the first place, right, But you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: we have good reasons to believe that she was alive
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: and well on January second. We have good reason to
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: believe that at least a neighbor saw or had her
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: recorded on a ring camera on Saturday, January third. So
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: you know, I don't I don't feel too much credence
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: in the theory that she hadn't been heard from for weeks.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: It's not the first time a wife has a doctor's
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: appointment and never makes it. I'm talking about Chris and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Chinan wants. I'm because I'm concerned about a friend of mine.
• 45:55
  Speaker 17: I dropped her off at her house at thre in
• 45:56
  Speaker 17: the morning Mark night, because we were out of town
• 45:58
  Speaker 17: together and through on the way back to day airport
• 46:00
  Speaker 17: and her and she's pregnant, and I haven't been able
• 46:05
  Speaker 17: to get a hold of her this morning, and I've
• 46:07
  Speaker 17: gotten to her house and her car is there and
• 46:10
  Speaker 17: stuff like that. But she won't answer the door, she
• 46:12
  Speaker 17: won't answer the phone calls, she won't answer text messages,
• 46:15
  Speaker 17: and I'm just really really concerned. And she had a
• 46:18
  Speaker 17: doctor's appointments this morning and she didn't go to it,
• 46:20
  Speaker 17: and I'm just I don't know what to do.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: You can find her or Nicole Atkinson calling nine one
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: one about her friend because she was already dead, along
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: with Bella and celest her two little girls. Take a
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: listen to her husband Chris Watts on body cam.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: She'd told you anything about leaving, moving out, not moving out.
• 46:40
  Speaker 15: I mean, the last time talked to her was this morning.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: She says she's gonna take the kids to her.
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: Friend's house, and then she asked where she was going
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: to be, and then I've texted her today.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: I never heard anything but cars, cars here, cars here, unless.
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: Somebody came picked her up.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: But the people that I know, nobody's heard from, nobody.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Seeing mmm mm. He was convicted, Leslie Morena. Let me
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: ask you this. Are we sure her purse and credit
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: cards were in the car?
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: We are told by the husband that she took her
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: purse and her credit cards right before she went to
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: her acupunctual appointment. Family has not confirmed whether those items
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: were found in the vehicle that was found yesterday. Police
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: again have also not confirmed that the vehicle was found,
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: let alone what items were found inside. So right now,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: what we know is that the vehicle was found and
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: according to the husband that she took her purse and
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: her credit cards before she went to her acupunctual appointment,
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: which he says is of course normal for her to do.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Let's spin that out, let's take that to its logical conclusion.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA. What does that mean Her car is found,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: her per and her credit cards missing, her phone was
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: still working, but we have no indication they were in
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: her car when her car was found. What can we deduce?
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: And at this point law enforcement officials have not disclosed
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: what evidence was collected from the vehicle, So at this
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: point it would be purely speculation to say what was
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: or was not with the vehicle at the time that
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: they found it. So we have to kind of hold
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: back a little bit before.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Determined gives us jack. This givens unless you know where
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: she is right now, everything we're talking about is speculation,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: But you do know how to add one in one
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  Speaker 1: equals to right. That's called deduction as a mathematical certainty.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Unlike in mathematical certainty. If she drove her car, she
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: had her purse and her ID with her and it
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't in her car, that means either she left voluntarily
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: out of that car with her purse and credit cards
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: or someone took them and disposed of them. Those are
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the only two choices, right, correct, So absolutely, that's it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: They're not saying the person credit card were in the car,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: all right, So let's go with that they were not
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: in the car. What if anything can we glean from that?
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that bullet point number one would be, you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: did somebody else move this vehicle? That's where my first
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: instincts would go is that you know she was separated
• 49:50
  Speaker 10: from the vehicle with her personal items, and that that
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: vehicle was moved after whatever happened.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Linda's appearance,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: please call three one two seven, four seven eight three
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  Speaker 1: eight zero repeat three one two seven, four seven eight
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  Speaker 1: three eight zero. There is, based on the timeline, a
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: possibility we can bring her home alive. We remember an
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: American hero, corporal Marcial Rodriguez, Citrus County Sheriffs, killed in
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: line of duty after twenty five years, leaving behind his
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: wife and two sons. American Hero Corporal Marcial Rodriguez, Nancy
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Gray signing off goodbye friend,