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Rik and Michele Review The Fantastic Four Movie · Rik and that Michele Chick

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Welcome to Rick and that Michelle chick.
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I'm that Michelle chick. And I'm Rick.
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Welcome. So I have some news.
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Good news, I am officially a grandma.
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Yay. Congratulations, Michelle.
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I love this. I love this.
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And this is the first grandbaby, right?
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Yes, but I won't be called Grandma, I will be called Mimi.
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Her mom goes by Juju and so Mimi, which is fine.
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What to not be? Yes, I think because I have
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another friend that I know she goes by Lolly and then her
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husband is Pops, get it, Lolli and Pops.
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So I think, yeah, I think the days my mom goes by Nana and so
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I think the days of going by Grandma or or Nana, my niece
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calls her other grandma Mima. So I think the days of going by
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those more old fashioned Grandma E type, I don't know, nicknames,
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whatever you would call them are kind of going by the wayside.
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I was. I first threw out that I wanted
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to be called Glamma. For of course, of course, it had
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to be Glamma. Right, but they said that'd be
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too hard for. The.
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Little one to pronounce so so Mimi it is so.
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Well, congratulations. If that's, that's pretty, that's
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pretty amazing. It's got to feel great from take
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it for somebody who's never going to be a grandfather.
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So I, I'm so desperate to be a grandfather that I, you can call
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me gramps. I mean, I still think that I I'd
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be the coolest grandpa ever. I think you would too, I really
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do. So congratulations, I'm very
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proud and Congrats to the happy couple and all that.
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I know that that's going to be it changes once you have your
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own kid, your life drastically changes.
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We already talked about this a long time ago on another
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podcast, but for me, it's the, it's the most incredible thing
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you'll ever do. I, I just, I, I, you know, above
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wealth, above a job, above anything, even even if you're
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famous. You know that to me, Yeah.
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Your own child is like, one of the greatest things you'll ever
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do. Right.
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And you know, again, we talked about this on another podcast,
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the love that you feel even when people tell you when you're
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expecting your first child. Oh, like you are going to feel
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this love that you have never felt before.
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And you you can't really grasp it until that baby is really in
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your arms. And you're like, oh, OK, now,
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Now I get what they were saying. Yes, because I would move heaven
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and earth for this little tiny thing, of course.
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So absolutely, I remember, I remember when Logan was born, it
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was funny is I I love that you brought up the point because
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when he was in in his mom's belly, she like, oh, he kicked
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and da, da, da, da and I and it the realism didn't set in and
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then once and then once he we pokey had to have an emergency
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C-section. So that was one thing that I
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put, yeah, poor, you know, and then, and then Logan was like 10
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lbs. So he's a big, big baby that
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came out. And then the, the, the doctor
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when we went in for the 7th month was like, oh, it's not
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that big of a baby. And I'm like, holy crap, look at
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her. She's like massively.
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She's not that tall, right? No, she's 5. 54 But she was.
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She was huge. And so and he goes, oh, it'll
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come out, you know, and like, I'm like that baby is not coming
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out. And we and of course she had 24
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hour labor and then and then they put Logan into cardiac
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arrest. So they try to take it, you
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know, not to be graphic Logan, but they try to take it
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vaginally and I'm in the room and he's not coming out.
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He's not coming out. And so they put him into cardiac
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arrest. So they prep the surgery room
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and so and so I remember that first moment.
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It's really weird. It's so weird because in when he
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cried, then I knew he was there. You know he like he's here, he's
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here. That is a traumatic, scary story
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that you are describing, you know, knowing that your baby's
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life is at risk and it's mere minutes that we have to get into
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the OR and get this baby out kind of thing.
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And they did and they, and they, they scrubbed me up and put
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scrubs on and, and I did not, I did not look over the curtain.
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I had no desire to look at. No, I have, no, I had no desire
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to look over the curtain when they're, you know, doing what
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they have to do for the C-section, but I do.
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The funny thing is, I do recall that I was the first person to
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hold him, Zoe, because the doctor passed him to me first
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and then, and then she got to hold him for a second or she's
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not, can't really hold him because they put her next to
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him. They put him next to her, you
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know, for just a second. And then the nurse started.
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The nurse was coming to get him and I would not let the nurse
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take the baby. And so.
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So she had to go, she had to go, Sir, Sir, I have to take the
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baby. And I said I will walk you where
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we're taking the baby. And so, yeah, so I, so I walked
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Logan all the way out of the the OR and all the way towards to
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the nursery or whatever. And then they finally did take
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him from me. But and then the most amazing
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thing, of course, having a 10 LB baby was they were all the, they
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were all the new babies out there.
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And so you see the little, you see the, the pink blankets, you
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see the blue blankets, you know, so you know who your baby is.
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And there's my tank, there's my tank sitting out there.
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And one, and one of the obstetricians rolled up and was
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checking out the new babies and, and he literally goes to go, I
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want that big one. So and and there and there's
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something to be said for you already know for having a big
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baby if you you because when they're really tiny, I was a 4
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LB baby. I was a 4 LB baby.
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I can't imagine that, but. Shaylee was 2 1/2 months early,
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so she was 3 LB one ounce. Right, so, right.
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So there's a so, so your grandbaby is how many?
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I mean, are you allowed to see how heavy are you know?
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So I mean, I would rather not, but I mean, she's, she's the
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average weight that most babies are.
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So, so average weight and then you add 4 or 5 lbs on that's a
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big you know that Logan, and it is AI think a a bigger baby, I
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guess. You know, you're just not It's
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funny. It's almost like having a toy
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doll because because he was doing things at an age because
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he was just bigger that like sitting, sitting up in different
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things. He was just stronger.
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So you weren't you weren't so afraid, afraid to drop him or
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hurt him basically. So sorry, you know, sorry Logan,
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but. He was more advanced.
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Well, I don't know if it was advanced.
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It's just you could just see like by the time, by the time he
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was three months, of course we did the whole gauntlet of up
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until he was like a couple years old, every month there was there
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was new photos. And Pokey was so much about the
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baby that it was not just taking photos, it was Sears.
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Oh yes, my kids remember Sears and the the big plastic numbers.
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They still talk about that to this day, right.
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You go take pictures and it taking hours when you have to
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pick out which pictures you want and oh.
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Yeah, and all of that. And then suddenly after like 2
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years, it just drops off. You just quit going.
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Or like once you start adding more children to the picture.
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I only have, I only have, I have, I have the one.
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And then Kyron was, you know, already five years old when I
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met Kyron. But yeah, for Logan, but his mom
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like that. So up until like a certain
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point, there was like, oh, there's almost monthly photos
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and then suddenly there's none for like 10 years.
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Right and it's funny with the first kid you're everything has
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to be clean. They can't play in the dirt,
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they can't this and they can't that, and by the second one
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you're eat some dirt. And the fourth one for you, so
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you could even have 4:00. So that.
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Yeah, well. She again was preemie and she
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was the only one out of all four that were preemies.
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So that was a whole new experience.
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Well, I know in itself. I I think it was interesting
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too. Was that pokey?
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Even though we didn't have a lot of money, She went out in
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Boston, bought the best things for for Logan.
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So a great example is she went and bought like a high tech,
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high chair and a stroller. And the hilarity was he hated
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the stroller. Like he never used it once.
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He was in there for one time and that was the end of it.
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We had a crib. We had a crib for Logan.
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He never used it. And yeah, we were those bad
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parents that we just wanted to get sleep.
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So we let him sleep in the bed. But and they're like, oh, you're
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going to roll over on that baby. And I'm like, look at that baby.
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You think we're going to roll over on that?
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Not rolling over on this. And so, and so it was one of
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those, you know, when they oh, let the let the baby cry.
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Oh, no, no, no. I.
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Know that that old adage or I don't even know where, what,
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where that started from or what, what it would technically be
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called. But in my mind, you know, like
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my grandma and Jay's grandma tried to tell us the same thing.
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Like, oh, you just have to let them cry themselves to sleep.
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And I'm thinking your baby cries when it needs something.
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So obviously your baby is needing something.
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There's no reason that you just need to let your baby cry.
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Or this is the other one I hated.
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Don't spoil them by holding them all the time.
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Yeah, it's like, I'm sorry, they're tiny for only a short
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amount of time. I don't care if they get spoiled
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that I'm walking around the house holding them.
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I don't care, it made no sense to me.
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Yeah, I'm in your I'm in the same boat.
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I I smothered smothered Logan. It was funny when we when when
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Pokey had to pokey started cosmetology school and I was
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working at the radio station. The state was good enough to pay
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part of the the daycare. So he was able to go to day or
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pre pre daycare or daycare. And I remember that I dropped
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him off one time and then and I talked to the daycare provider
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and a couple weeks later Pokey came to me and goes, here's the
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deal. You cannot stay.
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You're supposed to drop him off. And she goes, you were there an
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hour and a half one time. And I and I was like, I was
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like, well, that's my, I was like, that's my kid.
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That's my kid. I'm gonna make sure that they're
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taking care of. My kid.
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But they're safe. Yeah, they are.
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They are safe. And the people there are taking
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good care I mean, now at least most daycares or places that
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watch your children have cameras.
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And so, yeah, they have they. Have cameras, but you can.
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Check in but. I was that dad asked to just
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drop off and not stay and chat with the the daycare providers
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and watch my SO. Basically, for an hour and a
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half I'd be babysitting my own kid at the daycare center.
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Right while you're paying the daycare.
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While I'm paying the daycare, so I would now I would, I would
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never say I was a helicopter parent.
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I was never a helicopter parent. I was just always when he was
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younger, I was just always around.
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What would would Logan say? Or, or weren't that helicopter?
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No, I don't think he would. I don't think he would.
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Which, Speaking of him, don't you?
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You have to say something. Okay, so I, I, I do have a
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question really quick. So I do.
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I do understand that my eyes, I know my eyes are brown all the
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way to the top. Yes.
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I mean, I am full of full of it. OK, I get.
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It we know, yeah. And.
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I've all, and sometimes I've been accused of exaggerating
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stories to make them interesting.
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But that's what we are supposed to.
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We are trained to do that on the radio.
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We have to do that. Why Regis Philbin used to talk
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about that, right? You know, on TV that you have to
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exaggerate a good story. You have to exaggerate.
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A little to make it to make it. Better, yes, so.
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To make it so on our last podcast, we were talking about
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the, the, the N word in songs and not having our kids sing
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those songs. And so Chiron had Fetty Wap and
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then Logan, he said he was upset at me saying that I, that I,
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that it makes him sound like he was a racist.
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And I'm like, no, you're not. And So what happened was I it's
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just. Singing the song and he, you
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know, especially he was younger, right, He'd not he.
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Doesn't recall that He doesn't recall Right?
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He doesn't recall but he said it wasn't high school.
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I said OK, well probably junior high.
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And he went through every Akon song looking for the N word and
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what what the song was. It was I never found it.
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So it might have been Neo. It was one of those songs.
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It did not. It got popped in for like 2
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seconds and he started to sing. That was the end of the story.
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He did not walk around using that language or any of that.
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So I just have to, I just have to publicly apologize and and he
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always is like, that's not how it happened, my guy.
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That's his big, that's his big thing now, my guy.
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Oh, don't ever call me bro. Like, you know how that is like
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the Gen. Z, They're calling each other
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bro. My niece tried to call me bro
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one time and I was like, uh, uh, no.
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I am your aunt, dude. No, don't ever call that bro my
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niece. Oh yeah.
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Because you know, everybody is bro.
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It's like bro, this bro, the bro, bro, bro, bro.
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And she, I don't know if she just did it, not thinking you
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just out of habit, but she was like bro.
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And I was like, no, no, I don't. I don't like it.
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I, I definitely, I'm definitely one of those parents from for
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Logan's Sake that I was never one of those parents where he
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got to call me by my first name. I'm Dad.
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Yes. Yes, yes, that was I remember,
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you know, because when they get to be a teenager, they get to be
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know about what 5 or 6 They they, they find out your real
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name and they try to call you by their real name.
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Yes, and I and I always shut them down and say no, I'm dad.
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I'm dad, which I knew that was the way to like, get at my mom.
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Oh yeah, I bet. What's your mom's first name?
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Crystal. Yeah.
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So I knew Crystal. Right.
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Exactly, Crystal. I'm surprised you survived.
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I'm surprised I did too. Surprised I did.
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Kids. Kids have been beaten for less.
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Than yes, Oh, yes. And I remember I was a teenager,
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which I was not a great teenager, but also look at what
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was happening in my life, which we talked about on past podcast.
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But I remember I don't even know what she did, but it made me
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mad. And I slammed my bedroom door.
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And as I was slamming it, I was like, you're such a bitch.
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And but I said it to allow like normally I would say it to her.
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She couldn't hear me and she heard it and she swung that door
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open so fast and she like slapped me.
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Oh, I will never, ever forget that.
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Yeah. I was probably, I would say like
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14-15 ish. Yeah.
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Around there and she didn't take the door off the hinges because
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that that was Kyra had a situation where we took the door
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off the hinges. So yes, because it kept slamming
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like no, that door is coming off the hinges.
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Stellar parenting right there. It's hey, parenting is hard.
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It is. You have to pick your battles.
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You got to pick your battles and there's no road map.
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There's no road map and, and so of course, and every try and
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it's, it's just every stage now I think I don't know about you.
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I know you've had four. So it might, so you might seem
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old school, but for me, I, I knew that I was only going to
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have my one in the night. And then of course, I got my
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bonus son Kyron. But at the time, when I was
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younger, I knew that, well, this is my 1.
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And so I just really enjoyed all the times.
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So you know your toddler years, you're, you know when they're 6.
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And I tried to enjoy all of it, even the teen years.
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And now I'm now I'm trying to enjoy the adult years.
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I think the adult years, I think the adult years are harder, are
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harder than the teen years were for the, for my, for my son and
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I so. Right, which I have a question
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about that after a little bit later in the podcast, but I did
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go see Fantastic Four over the weekend.
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Did you? Yeah.
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So did I. OK, so on.
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Thursday. Yeah, I saw it on Sunday.
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OK. And I drug my poor husband to go
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see it. He knows that I love Pedro
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Pascal. I went in not knowing anything
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about the Fantastic Four other than there's four of them and
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they have some kind of superpowers.
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I didn't know what their superpowers were.
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I didn't know like how they got their superpowers.
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Basically nothing about them other than Pedro Pascal is in
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this movie and I love him. So I went in.
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That's all I knew about this movie.
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So I liked it. I liked that it was set.
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Is it set in like the 60s? Yep.
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Is that yes? Well, it's kind of like it's
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kind of a throwback. It's, it's actually, I think
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that the point is it's modern day, but it's modern day 60s.
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OK. On this, on this particular
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earth, on this particular earth. Right, I liked the retro 60s
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vibe of it, but with the technology like what you said.
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And keep in mind my review of this movie is clouded because I
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do love Pedro Pascal. So you know, just be advised of
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that as we're talking about this.
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Herbie stole the show. I do have to say he was
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adorable. He is at Disneyland.
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I did see a Disney influencer post because I follow a whole
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bunch of them, posted a video and he's at Disneyland with the
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Fantastic Four. I, I loved that there was a, a
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baby like a, a superhero. Well, a baby, I won't say
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superhero because now I'm going to give some of it away.
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But yeah, I love the aspect of the baby and the Pedro Pascal's
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character and trying to figure out if the baby is going to have
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superpowers, is it going to be OK?
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Which as first time parents, we relate to that because our worry
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is are they going to be healthy? You know, we got to keep them
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safe. We got to keep them from
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hurting. That's pretty standard first
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parent stuff. So I really love to that because
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it really hits home with all of us.
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I thought the storyline was good.
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Again, I have not read any of the comics.
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I know nothing about them other than there's four of them.
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That's really all I knew going into this and I don't want to
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spoil a whole bunch of it. So my husband, as we're watching
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this movie, he leans over to me and he's like, so and so is kind
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of so and so. And I'm like, I cannot take you
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to no movies. Like he's the type nothing.
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He's the type of person that, OK, so we'll be watching a movie
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or a show and he'll have it figured out and he'll tell me.
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And then because he figured it out then now it's dumb.
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But if we watch a show like Paradise, which is specifically
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written so that you can't figure it out then which he can't
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figure it out once we watch that, then it's a dumb because
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he can't figure it out. Like I cannot win with this man.
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Like when we watch shows or movies, I'm like, sometimes I
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just want to watch this and not have to think about right, not
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have to analyze our thing. And I'm like, I just want to
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watch the Fantastic Four and watch Pedro Pascal.
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I don't want to be thinking about nothing else.
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And then my sister in law's husband, you know, they found
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out we were going to see this movie.
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And he's like, you know, I think, you know, Pedro Pascal's
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just been in too much stuff lately.
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Like I'm overseeing him everywhere.
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And I was like, no, no, he is Hollywood's current, current
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hitman. I mean, Brad Pitt was Tom Cruise
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was at one time. So that's my rant about all
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that. So yeah.
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Well, what do they what do they call that?
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Oversaturated or overexposed? Yes, but that happens.
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Like look at Brad Pitt. Look at he is like he's on fire
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right now and everybody wants him in everything.
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So. And women love him.
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He's adorable, He's nice, he's kind, he's thoughtful.
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Did you see him on the red carpet?
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He was helping his sister Lux with her dress Like that to US
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women is like, oh. My gosh, we.
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Love that. And he's funny and he's
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handsome. Did I mention that I probably
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did? I don't know.
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I did, I I just never, you know when.
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Gosh, from Alexander to Pedro, that's quite the.
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There am I too. I know they look, they look
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nothing alike, right They. Look like 1.
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I don't see Pedro being like I. Don't have a type, I guess.
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I don't know. He's like, you know, Alex is
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blonde and blue eyed and tall and Pedro is brown eyed, brown
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hair. I mean, he looks like his advert
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type. I'll have to Google what his
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height is. I don't really know, but yeah.
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But I think it's more about who they are as people.
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Well, OPS well, well, he's very sensitive and and the movie, the
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movie was a lot of fun. So you never saw the Jessica
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Alba Fantastic Four movies in the mid 2000s?
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So no. OK.
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So you just weren't familiar going into it?
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Well, and I OK, I don't want to give anything away, but yeah, I
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have AI have a question. Who is the superhero that has
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the silver mask? You mean Silver Surfer one?
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No is there? Oh, Doctor Doom, he's the bad
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guy. OK.
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Doctor Doom's the bad guy. OK, because I didn't.
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Know their their main nemesis is Doctor Doom.
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That's all the way back. That's all the way back to.
21:15
That's all the way back to the 60s.
21:19
OK, Yeah. Because I would say that Darth
21:21
Vader is Doctor Doom has been around since the early 60s and
21:27
some would say Darth Vader is an an inspiration for George Lucas
21:32
for Doctor Doom was for Darth Vader.
21:35
So, and then if you're just curious, if you want to dig,
21:38
have you ever seen the movie The, the cartoons, the
21:40
Incredibles? The Disney movie The
21:42
Incredibles. Pixar.
21:43
The Incredibles. Yeah.
21:45
That's that's who they're based on.
21:47
Jack, Jack, Jack is based on Franklin Richards.
21:51
So, yeah, so, so there you go. So, yeah, The Incredibles.
21:54
Yeah, The Incredibles got the Fantastic Four right before the
21:58
Fantastic Four got it right. OK, OK.
22:01
OK, well, credibles are inspired by the Incredibles, were
22:04
inspired by the Fantastic Four. OK, good to know the back story
22:07
again. I knew nothing about them.
22:09
I. Didn't even know the wife
22:11
stretches. The wife stretches.
22:13
Yeah. So it's very similar.
22:15
Yep. Yep, Yeah, yeah.
22:16
When you said, when you said that, I was like, oh.
22:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah, You could see that.
22:20
No, it was fun. It was fun.
22:22
Enjoyed it. It's out of my own.
22:26
I would like to see DC actually get an So there's two, there's 2
22:29
comic book companies, Maine, there's a lot of comic book
22:32
companies, but the two main comic book companies are DC and
22:35
Marvel. So just remember it's easy for
22:37
DC, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, OK.
22:41
And then when you're looking at Marvel, it's the X-Men,
22:44
Deadpool, Wolverine, all those guys.
22:46
So it was really nice to see Superman get it a win against
22:52
Marvel for once, because Marvel has released 37 Movies Now of
22:55
the. They have so many characters,
22:58
right they. Have more yeah.
23:00
So does DC, but just DC has not been able to get that volume.
23:04
So yeah, DC, DC has those because DC has the Flash,
23:08
Aquaman, Green Lantern, yet they have a bunch of characters.
23:10
They both the companies have thousands of characters, but but
23:15
it's just nice to see that Superman right now they're neck
23:18
and neck, but it's interesting. I've been talking a lot about
23:21
I'm a huge, you already know, huge superhero fan, just huge.
23:24
My entire my entire man cave is nothing but superheroes and I'm
23:28
burnt out on superheroes. There's so much of it, superhero
23:31
fatigue, and I think we're seeing that at the movies where
23:35
everybody wants a billion dollar movie.
23:38
And that's not going to happen anymore.
23:40
Though no, because streaming I in my I think, I think superhero
23:43
fatigue and I think streaming has really.
23:46
And they're like, what about Jurassic Park?
23:48
Well, that's dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are universal and
23:51
especially overseas because they've got King Kong, they've
23:54
got Godzilla, they love all that.
23:55
So it's so it's interesting. So it's nice to see Superman be
23:59
a little bit ahead of fantastic for both of the movies had
24:01
excellent reviews and excellent, you know, audience scores.
24:05
So, so that means you're going to watch The Avengers when it
24:08
comes out with Pedro, because Pedro's going to be in that one.
24:10
Yes, which I guess, yeah, which I saw him talking.
24:13
He was on one of the talk show, I don't know, promoting this
24:16
movie. And they were talking about how
24:17
they have to go right into filming the next Avengers movie
24:21
that they all for are going to be in now.
24:23
Like, oh, oh, my ears perked up. I ought to go see that movie.
24:26
So. You got to go see that.
24:27
Yeah. So.
24:29
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I did 1010 for me, but you know,
24:33
again, judgement is completely clouded.
24:36
Do not go off of anything that I've.
24:38
Got to say, I'm going to give. I'm going to give it an 8 out of
24:41
10 and I'm going to give. Super high.
24:43
I'm going to give Superman an 8.5 out of 10 so.
24:46
OK. So they're clever neck there for
24:48
me. They're both neck and neck.
24:50
OK, OK, OK, let's let's go back to this question that I have for
24:54
you since we were talking about kids.
24:56
So is it different for moms when it comes to your adult kids
25:03
reconnecting with an ex than it is with dad?
25:07
And I'll explain. So like as moms, we hold grudges
25:12
like nobody's business, especially just someone who's
25:17
done something to our kids. And I wasn't sure if guys are
25:21
the same. So Jackson told me that his ex
25:27
reached out and this was his first real relationship.
25:33
They broke up I think this was around like 2 years ago and he.
25:40
Anyway, he said that they had coffee and of course, my first
25:45
mom, grizzly bear feelings kicked in and I had to just OK,
25:51
like in my head, be like, OK, don't say out loud or scream out
25:57
loud. Absolutely not.
25:58
Because that's what's going through my head at that time.
26:02
Absolutely not. You're not getting back
26:04
together. I'm completely jumping to
26:06
conclusions at this point. They just met for coffee after
26:10
not speaking to each other for two years.
26:12
But in my mind, that's where I completely jumped to.
26:15
And for me, it's like, no, you're not getting back
26:19
together. That's off the table.
26:21
But again, that's just me in my head and I'll give you another
26:26
example, Shaylee of me being like overprotective crazy.
26:31
Shaylee had this group of girlfriends in school and they
26:36
were all pretty close. And she had PE with one of the
26:40
girls and they would walk around the track.
26:43
That was one of the options they could do during PE.
26:45
So her and this other girl that was part of their friend group
26:48
would walk around the track and the other girl is super quiet,
26:53
kind of, I mean, Shaylee is too. And so to fill that silence,
26:58
Shaylee would talk. And then Shaylee found out and
27:02
that that girl was telling another girl in the friend group
27:04
that Shaylee talks about herself.
27:06
And then they were talking bad about Shaylee and their other
27:09
friend and their friend group overheard it and told Shaylee.
27:12
And of course me being overprotective crazy grizzly
27:16
bear mom, I freaked out and I wanted to call up these girls or
27:21
whatever and yell at them and Shaylee's like please don't do
27:24
that. Just wait till we graduate high
27:27
school. So they have graduated and I
27:30
have not ran into these girls, but by God if I do I will give
27:33
them a piece of my mind about that because it was just it was
27:37
shitty and not really it wasn't called for at all.
27:40
I don't I don't understand it. But girls are super catty like
27:44
that. But that's a different topic we
27:46
can talk about, so I'm just wanting to.
27:48
Do. Guys, Yeah, yes.
27:52
How horrible we are to each other.
27:54
That's a whole another when we should be like supporting each
27:57
other, but that's a whole another topic.
27:59
So am I just the crazy overprotective grizzly bear mom,
28:04
or is that something like guys would think too?
28:08
I don't. I don't know.
28:10
You're telling me? Like, I mean, we we want the
28:14
like any parent, we want the best for our kids.
28:15
We probably not be as vocal as the Mama bear, you know, but we
28:19
can definitely go Papa bear. But I'm also this is this is the
28:24
tough one for you, Michelle. And it's like you have got to
28:29
let them fall down, scrape their knees a little bit.
28:32
And we, we've all, at least I don't know about you, Michelle,
28:37
I know you've been married a very long time, but I became
28:40
very ill many years ago and made a ton of wrong decisions.
28:44
I just just just, and, and it comes from my childhood trauma.
28:49
I know we haven't unpacked any of that, but it's so funny.
28:54
When I was in high school, we coined the term for it.
28:57
We coined it, we called it the sickness and so on.
29:01
And so it's only happened to me a few times in my life and it is
29:07
the worst place I could ever be When I get this sickness and and
29:11
it's like, it's like a a salmon trying to spawn.
29:15
It's like I would no, it is it. I would rather kill myself.
29:18
You, you. You've seen me with the
29:20
sickness, Michelle. I have yes, but I would I
29:23
wouldn't describe it like that but.
29:26
Well, it, it's like, you know, as our, as our old boss Cheryl
29:31
used to say, you know, all you have to do is, is be honest with
29:35
Rick, tell, tell him yes or no period.
29:38
And then and then she's like, and then she goes and he's
29:40
coming and, and you've seen that not just, it's not just in my
29:44
relationships or my personal stuff when it comes to goals,
29:48
when it comes to achieving stuff, it's like, if it gets
29:53
Askew, it's horrific because I'll destroy it.
29:55
It's like a nuclear bomb going off.
29:57
Now, if it's pointed the right way, you can't.
29:59
If, if it's a, you know, like, like it's a goal of like, oh, I
30:03
want to save whatever it is, I want to save $5000, I will, you
30:06
know, you know me, I will do it. You know, as Mike used to say,
30:10
if I say something, oh, he's going to do it, he'll do it.
30:13
It's I've never been, never been one of those people that's once
30:18
I make a decision, guess what? I'm, I'm all in.
30:22
And so it's tough when you see your kids go through those
30:25
things. And so Logan, here we go.
30:28
Logan. Sorry, Logan, his.
30:30
Very first album, his No Hope, very first album, The Story of
30:34
You is written about a girl. The all the cuts are about a
30:39
girl and you can go and here, here you go Logan.
30:41
You can get it on Amazon. It's on Spotify.
30:44
The album The Artist is No Hope and then the album is The Story
30:48
of You. All 7 songs chronologically
30:52
describe his relationship from the infatuation to the middle of
30:57
it to the breakup, you know, to the to the recovery of it.
31:02
So that was his way of getting that was his way of getting.
31:06
I don't know that that angst out.
31:09
One of the things I this is also one of the cool things that
31:13
here's a cool story about Logan is this is where you let kids do
31:17
what they're going to do is Logan when he was 14, he loved
31:20
Guitar Hero. That was his thing.
31:22
And of course, like most naysayers, they always go, well,
31:26
that's not playing real guitar. Right.
31:28
So, so Logan wanted a guitar for his 14th birthday or no, for
31:33
Christmas. So we got, I got him a guitar
31:35
and that thing sat in the corner for two years now.
31:37
I never mentioned it to him. It just sat in the corner.
31:40
And then interesting enough was he was part of a talent show
31:45
when he was I think a junior or a sophomore and he did this
31:49
Green Day song and he didn't play guitar.
31:51
He just went out and sang. It was part of this band.
31:54
Well, I discovered later that the band had kicked him out of
31:58
the band. So, so there is a little bit of
32:04
dad in there because guess when he did it on his own.
32:07
So guess what? He picked up, picked up that
32:09
guitar, picked up that guitar, he goes, I'll do my own band.
32:13
And and then of course, this girl came along and that was a
32:16
big mess. And so all these songs were
32:18
about this girl. So and then there was times he
32:22
would, he would say, oh, yeah, I'm back.
32:24
I'm, you know, we're seeing each other or we're back together.
32:26
I'm like, oh, Jase, here we go. And it always ended.
32:31
Now he's now he's and I just want you to know just real
32:33
quick, eight years he's been with the same girlfriend.
32:36
He's absolutely head over hills in love, which is awesome.
32:39
But it was funny going through those mountains and those
32:42
valleys because you know what a bad influence, Michelle, you
32:46
have to wait. I don't know much about your
32:49
dating life before Jay cuz you've been married to Jay for a
32:52
long time, but there had to been some bad influences in there.
32:56
They're like, I don't need that. That's like, that's like crack
32:59
cocaine, but you don't. But you keep going back.
33:03
And tell you. Until you until you eventually
33:05
learn, then you have to stop it. Like like like I'm not going to
33:11
do that. And that's when and that's when
33:12
behavior changes. But that's with anything that's
33:15
with weight loss, that's with I want a new job, all these
33:18
different things. So it's hard not being the Papa
33:20
bear. It's especially when someone
33:23
says like you're talking about the Mean Girls thing, like that
33:29
would be super hard. I, I don't know, I, I, I who I,
33:36
I, I've but remember, I'm still a very emotional person too.
33:39
So to me it's like, you know, great.
33:42
And you touch my kid I'll kick the shit out of.
33:44
You and I don't know. Yes.
33:45
And I don't know if it's a different, like with sons and
33:48
daughters. I mean, because I feel like I
33:50
react the same way with all of them.
33:52
Like, you know, dramatic. Everything's horrible or you're
33:57
gonna take care of this myself. Well, I think it I'm going to go
34:01
to the playground and kick the shit out of those girls.
34:03
On the situation, so a great example, there's there's 22
34:07
stories, funny thing, two stories in my book that are
34:11
definitely from Mama bear, my, my foster mom.
34:14
One was when I was six or seven. I was so enamored with
34:17
superheroes at the time that I came home one day and I was beat
34:20
up like I was bloody and not because I didn't stick up for
34:24
myself, but because a kid three times the size of me got into a
34:29
fight with me. So the bus pulled up and my
34:32
foster mom got on the bus and went to that little kid and and
34:36
literally said, you ever touch him again?
34:39
I'll end you. Well, I'll say the word.
34:41
She said I'll F and kill you. So she got on the bus and then
34:45
and then she did ask the little boy he was three times.
34:47
He was like 3 grades above me and three times my size.
34:50
It wasn't that I didn't fight him.
34:52
It wasn't a fair fight at all. It.
34:54
Wasn't a fair fight. And so she said, and that's why
34:56
she interfered in that. And she had said that the kid
34:59
said, because I said, well, I'm Superman, you can't hurt me.
35:03
And then the boy was like, well, yeah, I can.
35:08
Kids are kids are assholes. Kids are assholes.
35:11
But on the flip side, there's another story that's in the book
35:15
about my foster mom. She was doing the dishes and
35:17
there was a little boy that lived up on the on the hill,
35:19
same age as me, same age as me. Little boy lived up on the hill.
35:23
He'd come down and he would pick on me and he'd pick on me and,
35:27
and, and, and harass me. And she saw this from the window
35:30
one day and she's washing the dishes.
35:32
So when she saw me, she, she pulled me aside and said, OK,
35:35
Virgil, next time he comes down and picks on you, he goes,
35:38
you're going to hit him. And I said, well, mom, I can't
35:40
do that. And she's like, no, you're going
35:42
to hit him. And I said, I can't do it.
35:44
And she goes, OK, here's the deal, Virgil, you're either
35:46
going to hit him or I'm going to give you something to cry about.
35:49
So so so anyway, this little boy comes down to pick on me and
35:55
she's out there again and it's so funny.
35:58
It's in the book and and he starts picking on me.
36:00
So guess what I do? I just pop him and guess what he
36:05
guess who went down? Picked on you again, probably.
36:08
After never picked on me again, dropped him like a sack of
36:10
potatoes. Now I will tell you, and it's
36:12
even in the book. I've been in very few fights in
36:14
my life. You know, one I can say that I
36:17
won, he won. I got my ass kicked.
36:19
Who was that one? That's the one.
36:21
He. Wanted so so 8th grade, 8th
36:23
grade. So I talk a lot about in the
36:26
book how a lot of my confidence confidence was taken away when
36:29
we moved in with the Wallaces. They took my confidence.
36:32
All that my mom had given me or all the lessons she had given me
36:36
was stripped away. So in junior high, as you
36:38
already know, is the worst. Oh yeah, it's horrible in a
36:42
functioning family environment. It was interesting to go from
36:46
for me first through 4th grade, I went to a Soton elementary and
36:50
I was, I was a popular kid or I was not AI was not a disliked
36:53
kid. I wasn't, I wasn't the, the
36:55
scummy kid. I wasn't the geeky kid or any of
36:57
that. I was actually fairly popular in
36:59
elementary school. And then we moved and and then
37:04
went to junior high. You're the first kid in in 6th
37:05
grade. And and then I'm with the
37:08
Wallaces, all the abuse and, and tearing up that apart.
37:11
So people. And then I got to junior high
37:13
and virgin, virgin was the big thing.
37:15
Virgin Virgil, virgin is being called.
37:18
Yeah, Yeah. So that was all the way for
37:21
three years. And I wouldn't fight.
37:23
I wouldn't fight. And I was so mad at myself
37:26
because that wasn't what I was taught.
37:28
And I remember one time going to school in 7th grade and I ended
37:31
up marrying. I ended up marrying his sister,
37:34
but Pokey's brother, his name was Jerry Jobe.
37:37
He was a he's a bully, just a bully.
37:39
No, he's just a bully, just a bully.
37:41
Now this is before I ever knew Pokey, before I ever knew Pokey.
37:44
But we were walking to school in 7th grade and I had my sister
37:46
Robin with me. And they just come up to me and
37:49
they start a fight and I'm like, and I'm like, I'll take both of
37:51
you right now. And I dropped my books like I'll
37:53
take you both down. And Robin's like don't do it.
37:55
Don't do it. And so I didn't fight.
37:57
To this day, to this day I'm I hate myself because.
38:02
I wouldn't have listened to your sister.
38:04
I should never listen to my sister.
38:06
So the next year over, I'm walking.
38:08
We're her and I are walking to home from school and this kid
38:10
comes up, comes up on me. And I won't give you his name.
38:14
I won't. Yeah.
38:15
I mean, his name was Jeff. I can even tell you his last
38:17
name. And he's like virgin, virgin,
38:19
virgin. Virgil.
38:20
Virgil. And just, you know, come on and
38:22
go. Come on, pussy.
38:23
Let's fight. Come on, pussy.
38:24
Finally, I had enough. It was eighth grade.
38:28
Dropped the book, turned around and he goes, come on, man.
38:31
Threw the first punch. Well, you bet I did.
38:34
You know what I'm saying? And I, I, I all that rage, all
38:39
that rage of three years. Yeah, it was like.
38:42
And so the next day I saw that Jeff kid.
38:44
He saw me at the bus stop. He goes, he goes, yeah, I'm not
38:47
going to pick on you anymore. Because he realized I, I, I'd
38:50
fight back. And then, and then in high
38:51
school, some other kid got his name was Guy Gas went for some
38:55
reason. He, we were, we were friends in
38:57
7th grade. He came back to the high school.
39:00
He'd been gone from junior high and all that.
39:02
And I don't know why he wanted to pick on me, but he would come
39:05
up, he literally physically hit me and kick me.
39:08
And so I, it went on for a few months and then finally I said,
39:12
Hey, man, I'll meet you outside. And, and so, and this is in the
39:17
book. So we met him.
39:18
I met him outside in the park and he goes, come on, man.
39:22
So of course he's bigger than me.
39:23
They're all, they're always bigger than me.
39:25
They're always. Bigger than me.
39:26
And so and so he's three times the size of me.
39:29
So I take that first punch and it surprised him.
39:33
It shocked him because I got a good one in.
39:35
But that was the last punch the. One that only punch you got.
39:40
It cuz cuz down I went and as I and after the fight, I asked my
39:44
friends, we're walking home. I'm like, hey, did I did I did I
39:47
look good down there And they go, yeah, you looked good.
39:49
You look good. You know, you look you, you were
39:52
doing OK. I'm, you know, the principal
39:57
came and broke up the fight and and then he got expelled and got
40:02
Yeah, but but I, I always ask that question.
40:04
How did I how did I look down there?
40:06
How did I look? Go man, Virgil, you look great.
40:08
You look good. You know, yeah.
40:10
You look like you were taking it pretty good, but but I don't
40:14
know, have you ever been, have you ever been in a physical
40:15
fight? No, I have been bullied and
40:18
picked on by girls horribly but luckily we haven't actually gone
40:23
to blows. So, so the good news, I will
40:27
tell you this, haven't, you know, trust me, I don't want, I
40:29
don't like to fight. I don't want to fight.
40:30
I will fight if I have to. But you physically, when you're
40:33
doing it, you really don't feel it because you're adrenaline.
40:36
No, right. I was going to say you're
40:37
adrenaline. It's probably like.
40:39
Yeah, yeah, Now they they can be doing some serious, you feel it
40:43
the next day, but you don't feel it when you're in when you're in
40:45
the fight, because it's basically survival.
40:47
You're trying to survive in the fight.
40:49
And so and so, yeah, so there's a couple instances where it's
40:54
like that I've had to defend myself and and again, I, I
40:59
always told my I've always told Logan, or even if even I was
41:02
talking to Kyron, It's like I take I'm sorry.
41:05
I take Pearl's wisdom, who you want to fight, take, take that,
41:10
hit him, drop him like cuz I cuz that's what they want.
41:13
They want, they want, they want to throw the first punch and
41:15
they look like, they look like the bad guy, right?
41:18
Right. So when they.
41:19
So when they don't. Yeah.
41:20
So when they don't leave you alone, if you.
41:23
I mean, I look back all the times in junior high, there was
41:26
a kid named Jason Twistleton. It was eighth grade.
41:30
And he used to kick me in PE class because.
41:33
Because they make you sit in a row.
41:34
Remember when they say make you sit Indian style in a row?
41:36
Yes. You know, and he would sit there
41:39
behind me and kick me and one time he kicked me and I got up
41:43
and I just left. I just left the class.
41:44
I'm like, I'm not gonna I to this day.
41:48
And I've seen him on Facebook. I have no desire to start
41:51
anything up. But but I've always made a
41:54
promise that if that if I ever cross that kids path again, now,
41:58
now, just if it makes people feel better, he's a total
42:01
douche. Like like on his.
42:02
Face usually the bullies do grow up to you're still be asses.
42:08
Well, you don't, Yeah. You peak in high school.
42:10
I mean, that's it. You peak in high school, You're.
42:13
The star quarterback in high school, and that's it.
42:16
Right, Right. Yeah, You've already.
42:18
Yeah, Your peak years are done. The best part is they usually
42:22
have A at our age. The best part is they usually
42:25
have a big old beer gut and they've and they're balding and
42:28
they're balding. Oh, they're balding.
42:30
And what's so interesting when you run into them later, Not
42:32
that not that being on the radio is any great thing, but it's
42:34
amazing going back to reunions, how differently treat you
42:37
because like, oh, oh, you've met, you've met all these stars
42:40
and you're on the radio. I mean, it's a totally different
42:43
thing than it was coming out of high.
42:45
I mean, I'm sure they say the same thing about you too.
42:47
Yes, and when I I want was I on the bull shoot?
42:52
I don't remember. I think so, but I was doing a
42:54
remote somewhere and one of the popular girls in school that
42:58
used to be mean to me and bully me.
43:02
We've talked about in the past episode we use different last
43:05
names. So she didn't, you know,
43:07
correlate who I was by listening to me on the radio as who I was
43:12
that she went to school with. And she stopped and was like, Oh
43:15
my gosh, you're so and so from high school.
43:19
And she was so nice to me. And it was all I could do.
43:23
I'm in this capacity at work again.
43:26
So I couldn't be like a mean or rude to her.
43:29
And it took everything in me not to be like, yeah, you're a
43:32
fucking bitch to me in school. But I was just like, you know,
43:37
playing the game that you have to play, so.
43:39
I think the reality is most of the people that I've ever come
43:42
across never realize that they did that.
43:47
Most people, most people have long forgotten they had, they
43:50
did not realize that they treated you bad or, or any of
43:53
those situations. Because I've had nothing but
43:55
great experiences at high school reunions, you know, people
43:58
walking up and, but, and then the, the, the real bullies, they
44:02
just never, they just never show up.
44:04
I will tell you this will not, I'm probably going to get a lot
44:08
of crap on this, but I'm going to tell you a little story and,
44:11
and, and you can say shame on me or how dare I.
44:14
But there was a kid and I will not say his name because I have
44:17
a lot of classmates listening. They'll know who it is.
44:20
But there was a mean kid. He was mean.
44:22
He was flat out mean. And we had this thing at
44:25
Clarkson High School called the senior ramp.
44:27
And so the, the, The thing is, you never, the seniors would sit
44:30
on both sides of the ramp and all the, all the students had to
44:33
go down this ramp to get to their classes.
44:35
And so they took great joy in tripping other kids, you know,
44:39
And that was the. Point like the high school
44:40
initiation ship that we used to have to go through that is now
44:43
illegal, thank goodness. Right, right.
44:45
So they'd sit and trip kids. Well, there was one guy, he was
44:47
just the biggest bully all the way through our school.
44:49
He was just a big bully. Now, he never necessarily
44:52
bullied me, but but I had a friend of mine named Greg that
44:56
he was just walking down the the senior ramp one day and this
44:59
bully just point blank just hit him like full force fist.
45:04
And Greg, I couldn't believe it. Greg took the punch, looked at
45:07
him without missing a beat and goes, you ever do that again?
45:10
I'll fucking kill you. And he I mean, and this one and
45:13
and at the time, you know, you would consider Greg to be one of
45:16
the geeks or nerds, you know what I'm saying?
45:18
And to take a punch from one of the biggest bullies in school
45:20
and not flinch. No, he didn't even flinch.
45:23
I'm like, we heard that one. Oh my gosh.
45:26
So years later I'm at a 4th of July event in Clarkston and one
45:30
of my old classmates walks up and goes, Oh my gosh, did you
45:32
hear what happened to da da da da?
45:33
And I said, what do you mean? And they go, oh, well, a few
45:36
years back they, they wrapped themselves around a telephone
45:39
pole. Not not Greg.
45:41
The bully wrapped himself around telephone pole and now they are
45:44
paraplegic from their neck down. Oh my goodness.
45:48
And and the classmate goes, man, don't, don't you feel bad?
45:51
And I went no. That's karma.
45:54
I no, I know. And they go and they go, yeah,
45:57
they go. How can you say that?
45:59
And I said this person was the biggest bully to all the nerds
46:01
and geeks. And I'm not going to feel, I'm
46:04
not going to feel any remorse for this person doing this to
46:07
themselves. So I am going to withhold the
46:09
names because I know that. And then I may have some
46:12
classmates mad at me because they'll know exactly what I'm
46:14
talking about. He was a bully.
46:16
He was a terror. So now this is when I said that
46:20
that was probably 30 years ago. So I probably don't feel the
46:22
same because I know I've caught, I've gone back to some reunions
46:26
where they said, oh, he wants to come da, da, da, da, but he
46:28
does. But he's afraid of what he looks
46:32
like or people to see him the way he is.
46:36
And I'm saying, so to me, I'm like, there's at 55.
46:39
Hey, bygones are bygones. I mean, I mean, life's too
46:43
short. I just want to, you know, tell
46:45
everybody life's too short. And, and if he came back to the
46:49
reunion, I would be nothing but and I, I, well, I, I probably
46:51
wouldn't talk to him because I, I didn't know, I really didn't
46:54
know him anyway. But talk about some crazy.
46:57
So Mama bear, I mean, you could take you could you can, you
47:01
know, Tonya Hardy and these girls with a pipe?
47:06
But it's like, I just feel kids have, I mean, boy, that's tough,
47:09
especially with the bad relationships.
47:11
Well, and you know, Jackson isn't a kid, he's an adult, you
47:14
know? You got to let them fall down.
47:16
It's well, I remember years ago, and we don't have to go deep
47:20
into this. Matthew had a young man that
47:23
was, you know, not the best for Matthew.
47:26
Right. And that was kind of his first
47:28
relationship too, and that. Did that not take some time to?
47:32
That was a, that was a was that not a bouncing ball?
47:35
That was really difficult because that person was abusive
47:39
to him. And as the period you, you know,
47:42
you can't really say much because you know, if you do,
47:45
that's going to push your child away to the other person, right?
47:50
And so we really, it took everything in me not to say
47:55
something or it'd be like Matthew got the fuck away, you
47:59
know, get out of this relationship.
48:00
But. Because you're in it.
48:01
You're in it. Yes, and until they see that and
48:04
realize that, which he eventually did thankfully and
48:07
got out and has not dated anyone like that since, thank God so.
48:13
It's I. Think it's hard?
48:15
Yeah. Well, especially when it's your
48:16
own, especially, you know, when when your child's in a poisonous
48:19
relationship or a bad relationship.
48:21
And, you know, interesting enough, Kyron, my stepson was in
48:26
a relationship for five years and he recently broke up with
48:29
his girlfriend. No, recently broke up with a
48:30
girlfriend. And it was, it was a rough go of
48:33
it. Well, now he's got himself a new
48:36
girlfriend. So it's amazing.
48:38
And he's young. He's like 22 years old.
48:40
Good for, you know, I mean, that's that, that's what those
48:42
are the, those are the hills and valleys you go through.
48:45
Yeah, you know, and you have to do it as an adult.
48:47
I know. So it's tough.
48:49
It's tough being Mama Bear and not being able to step in and
48:52
go, hey, that that person's not the best for you because at the
48:55
moment they're not going to want to hear it, especially when
48:57
they're a teenager. Oh God yeah, then it's even
48:59
twice as worse your eyes when you're.
49:01
An adult, so all you can do is be there to pick up the pieces.
49:06
If something goes bad again, you're there to pick up the
49:08
pieces. Right, so you as the guy
49:11
wouldn't freak out internally like I did.
49:14
Or you. Or you.
49:14
Would oh, I definitely talked behind their back 24/7 and
49:17
talked to my spouse about it. And you know, it's like, just
49:20
say I don't, I had, I don't like that person.
49:23
I'm not crazy then that's what you're saying.
49:25
You don't do those things and then and then you just watch
49:27
their behavior to make sure that it doesn't happen happen again.
49:31
So, I mean, and, and that some relationships are poison, some
49:36
doing a superhero analogy. Some relationships are
49:38
kryptonite. They are.
49:41
They are. And you know, it's as I have
49:43
learned, we've, we've joked about this.
49:46
You, you would like to think that grass is greener on the
49:48
other side. But my my terminology now is
49:50
there's just dirt over there. Oh, that grass looks green.
49:54
And then you get over the taxes dirt.
49:56
Yeah. So, but but everybody's
49:59
different. Every relationship's different.
50:00
So I'll be curious to see how this one turns out for Jackson.
50:04
Now, did you get getting updated?
50:05
Did they already go? Yes, they did go to coffee.
50:08
That's what he, you know, told me about he I didn't even know
50:12
that they had. So the ex had reached out to him
50:17
and I didn't know that I didn't know they had gone to coffee and
50:20
I asked him, you know, well, how did it go?
50:22
How? And, you know, he's like, well,
50:24
they just kind of talked about themselves a lot.
50:27
And the Jackson had always suspected that this person was
50:32
already seeing someone else before they broke up.
50:36
And I think that they kind of were at least like talking to
50:41
them. And so he said that a lot of the
50:45
time his ex was complaining about that person a lot.
50:49
And so I asked Jackson, well, did they take accountability for
50:54
anything in the relationship between the two of you that
50:58
happened? Or was it all just blaming that
51:01
person for everything that happened?
51:03
And he's like, well, we didn't really.
51:05
They didn't really touch on that too much because in my mind, I'm
51:08
like, OK, if they're blaming this other person, then they are
51:12
not seeing their part in the relationship or what happened,
51:17
if that makes sense. And so I just wanted to make
51:19
sure he would be able to see that.
51:23
He said that that he's not sure if he's gonna stay friends with
51:27
him. He said that it was weird.
51:31
And so hopefully, hopefully that like, that's it.
51:35
And it's like the Spark isn't gonna unite again.
51:39
And we're gonna have to go. Through this all over again.
51:42
The the biggest lesson, I think it's so funny about
51:45
relationships is like, like you mentioned that one about Jackson
51:50
and that situation when it's kind of interesting when people
51:54
break up and they go and they go, it's me, it's not you.
51:57
And then I always love that the relationships where like, you
52:00
know, well, who is it? And they're like, no, it's
52:02
nobody. It's nobody.
52:04
I'm like, it's always somebody. Even if I don't care if even
52:08
it's a little crush or a little whatever's going on, whatever's
52:12
going on, it's like nobody. The rarity of somebody leaving
52:17
somebody for nobody is slim to slim to zero.
52:21
I'm always like, OK, as I've always made that.
52:24
You're going to love it. Who's sniffing around my meat?
52:26
You know, I'm sure you've heard me use that term before, right?
52:34
It's. Like someone someone sniffing
52:38
around mom meet and and you need to put.
52:40
That on a T-shirt and. So who sniffing around mom meet
52:45
So. So I had a situation that I can
52:48
share with you really quick about a few years back, Megan.
52:54
Yeah, I Megan's ex-boyfriend from high school.
52:58
His name is Ethan and I call him Man Mountain.
53:00
His name is Ethan and he's called Man Mountain.
53:02
I remember you're talking about man.
53:06
And he's about, I don't know, 6. So when you see this photo from
53:08
high school, he's this massive dude.
53:10
And then she's like 120, like 125 lbs.
53:13
I'm like, and then he's so unlike me, like who I am, I'm
53:17
like, well, what, how could she even correlate?
53:19
Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, well, why would you be
53:21
with me when that, you know, that's what, that's what you
53:24
might have been attracted to. So, and she still keeps in
53:27
contact with Ethan. Well, a few years back I saw her
53:30
on her phone debited or she was on the like actually on the
53:33
phone talking with him and I and I and I had to, I had to put, I
53:37
had to put the big boy pants on and go, okay, don't say
53:41
anything, right? Don't be jealous.
53:44
Don't start something that you don't know anything about.
53:46
But I mean, I heard them talking on the phone.
53:48
I mean, I don't know what they're talking about.
53:50
She, I mean, she's doing it with you there, though.
53:52
It's not like she was doing it in secrecy though.
53:56
No, she was in the other room or she's texting.
53:58
I mean, it wasn't like she was in the same room as me, right?
54:00
But you're in the same house together.
54:02
I can hear her talking to somebody, right.
54:05
And so, so the green, the green eyed monster comes on.
54:08
And then the cool thing about it is a couple weeks later we're
54:10
driving down the road and she goes, oh, by the way, you know,
54:13
I, I've been talking to Ethan, blah, blah, blah.
54:16
You know, so I let her say say her piece and then she said
54:20
something like she goes never in a million years, whatever.
54:24
I date him ever again. So I was like, I'm sitting the
54:27
car going, that's right, bitches.
54:31
Or is she? Just telling or is.
54:33
She just telling you that to throw you off the scent.
54:36
No, I'm kidding, you know, So I won't, I will not give you the
54:40
reasons. I will say, OK, I will say one
54:43
reason was they politically don't align like at all.
54:47
Oh yeah, that. Like, like he's hardcore.
54:50
Like. So far away from her viewpoints,
54:53
right? There's no like she said no way.
54:55
And then and then she said even from a physicality, you know,
54:58
she goes now. She goes now, Rick, you say he's
55:00
all duh, duh, duh, duh. Well, she goes.
55:02
It's 3040 years later. Trust me, you know it's not.
55:07
It's not muscle anymore. Right.
55:10
Yeah. So I don't want to say much more
55:12
than that because I don't get in trouble, but it's like, yeah,
55:15
so. You're going to have everyone
55:16
mad at you. Everybody's already mad at my
55:19
stories anyway. And then and then Logan's like
55:21
you're dropping names, man. You're dropping names.
55:23
You're dropping real names. I'll.
55:24
Do that too. Like stop saying names we're.
55:28
Going to argue not you we're. Going to get sued by all these
55:32
people. I know they are true stories, So
55:36
what do they hope? So sue us.
55:37
For I hope it is true. It's the truth.
55:42
It's just our version of the truth or the story.
55:46
So as. Well, as my foster mom told me,
55:48
just my address is 2621. Come on over.
55:52
Oh. Goodness, that's hilarious.
55:54
No. So, yeah, So in those
55:55
relationships, it's always that relationships are complicated.
55:58
We can do a whole other podcast down the road on relationships.
56:01
Yes, our. Own relationships?
56:05
Yeah, they're hard. They're tough.
56:06
Yeah. Even marriages.
56:08
We could do a whole podcast on marriages.
56:10
Something because yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:12
And yeah, we are not the people to be taking any advice from,
56:15
whether it's whether you go to Fantastic Four or yeah.
56:19
Relationships, marriages. I did not listen to any.
56:22
Well, don't worry Mama bear. You just keep watching Jackson
56:25
for a while and and we'll see what happens of that.
56:29
But it it sounds like it's going to turn out OK.
56:31
And like you said, there's always somebody like we
56:35
suspected there was someone, but when this person broke up with
56:38
Jackson, he basically told him like, you're not interesting.
56:42
I mean some very hurtful things that, you know, really got at
56:46
Jackson and. Really nice coffee.
56:51
Yeah, yeah, that's what, Yes. See why I was like so like like
56:55
no bitch? Beat down.
56:57
What are you talking about? That's not coffee, that's a
56:59
bitch. Beat down.
57:01
Yeah, like, yeah, like just me and stuff like that.
57:04
Just it's like just break up with him.
57:06
Like you don't have to. Like, I get that there has to be
57:10
reasons and but that was yeah, it was bad.
57:14
And yeah, it broke again. This was Jax's first
57:17
relationship. It broke his heart.
57:19
And then hearing those things said to you as a person makes it
57:23
10 times worse. So.
57:25
So yes, yeah, I don't want this person coming around no more so.
57:30
I think you're strong. I mean, again, from Jackson it,
57:33
you know, it's one of those things where yeah, that's not a
57:34
good. It's like, yeah.
57:37
No. I didn't realize that portion of
57:39
it, but yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I didn't say
57:41
that, but yeah. And breakups, man, breakups are
57:44
the worst. Yes, yes.
57:48
I've been through multiple ones and it's not a fun situation.
57:50
It's not fun. No, no.
57:53
All right. Well, I think we can wrap things
57:55
up on that note because we're at almost an hour.
57:59
Did I get all my apologies out? I think I got all my.
58:01
Apologies out. OK, you were supposed.
58:02
Sorry to all you folks. You were supposed to apologize
58:05
to Logan, right? I did.
58:06
I'm sorry, I did. That anyone else?
58:09
All the other people I named all.
58:12
The other past podcasts. And this.
58:15
One and this one too. Do you want me to start making
58:18
up names for people? I sure can.
58:20
I mean, we, we probably should, but we've already said their
58:23
name, so I don't know. I mean, I mean, if, if, if one
58:27
becomes the mayor, like that's not going to give it away,
58:30
right? One if one.
58:31
'S Man Mountain we know, Yeah. No Man Mountain Mayor.
58:35
One was the mayor, right? You know, MAGA dude.
58:38
If one's MAGA dude, I mean. We got, I mean that's pretty
58:42
general. That could be a lot of guys that
58:43
we. That could be a lot of people,
58:44
but I mean, we got we got, I got a whole book that we could.
58:47
Do all right, Maybe we'll just start making up nicknames and
58:51
anyway, all right don't forget we have a Facebook and Instagram
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58:57
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59:01
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59:04
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