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Loaded with Predators · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hello, this is Sonny Landon, welcoming you to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: This is a chopper! It's showtime.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Brian and joining me today via the magic of.
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  Speaker 1: The internet is.
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  Speaker 6: Sam.
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  Speaker 3: Hey. What's your name?
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  Speaker 1: We'll be Sam Drog today.
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  Speaker 7: It's always an identity crisis.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely. Who do I feel like today?
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  Speaker 1: So normally in most of these episodes, we end up
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  Speaker 1: starting off going over, hey, what have we seen lately?
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  Speaker 1: And then we'll get sidetracked. I mean, we get sidetracked anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So knowing that's on the table, I think this time
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  Speaker 1: we should skip the outside world, other things we've watched,
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  Speaker 1: start focusing more on the general universe we're dealing with here.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking maybe more like our crow episode
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  Speaker 1: last year, where we actually did sort of an overview
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  Speaker 1: of the idea, the world of the crow, and then
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  Speaker 1: we just eventually rounded it out with the latest movie.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're entering into the world of predators. Ba-da-da-da-da-da.
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  Speaker 8: Ba-da-da-da-da-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the weird part. I mean, can you even
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  Speaker 1: remember how many Predator movies there are? I feel like
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  Speaker 1: most normal people, if you ask them, would get that
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  Speaker 1: number wrong. Agreed. Agreed.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, so Predator is weird. Because there's this huge dry
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  Speaker 8: spell where they just decided not to make Predator movies.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not that long, though. Like, it still kept dragging on.
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  Speaker 7: Like, and especially if you had the crossover movies.
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  Speaker 1: Like, if you count the crossover movies, which I kind
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  Speaker 1: of don't, but.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I kind of do, but.
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  Speaker 7: But even then, like, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not that far. Like, it's... 87 90 2004 2007 2010
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  Speaker 1: 2018 2022 like it just kept like there's not a
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  Speaker 1: huge period there no no 2018 is maybe the biggest
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  Speaker 1: dry spell well i mean 2000 and i mean 90
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  Speaker 1: to 2004 is 14 years is a long time to
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  Speaker 1: go without predator Not in my head.
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  Speaker 8: Because look, it's a 90.
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  Speaker 1: That's the decade right before the zeros, and then it's
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  Speaker 1: a 04. So that's right next to each other. Just
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  Speaker 1: like the other day was 2000, right? That was just
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  Speaker 1: the other day in my head.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. I remember.
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  Speaker 1: The millennium. I remember it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember it.
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  Speaker 8: I remember it just happened. Why today, dude?
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  Speaker 1: We've got to watch out for that.
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  Speaker 8: Just a minute ago. Just a minute ago. I still
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  Speaker 8: need to update my plot.
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  Speaker 1: Not 25 years later. You're wrong.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Time-space continuum. You're wrong.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, I would say, no, no, Brian, Brian,
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  Speaker 8: I would say that this thing, in my opinion, there
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  Speaker 8: are a lot more Predator movies than you think there are,
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  Speaker 8: because for me, it is still the year 2000, and
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  Speaker 8: I'm going like, when are they going to make another
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  Speaker 8: Predator movie?
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  Speaker 7: Me, it's like, it's still 87, like, I'm still walking
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  Speaker 7: out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Going, oh, Dutch, you got him, good going, buddy, like...
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  Speaker 1: It's still kind of, you know, original run for me.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, oh, yeah, then they followed it up
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  Speaker 1: with two. I remember that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And then Dan came along. There's nothing in between there, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because I feel like those middle two, you'd be lucky
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  Speaker 1: if you could find people that remember that those exist.
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  Speaker 1: Unless they're super movie geeks or just Predator super fans.
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  Speaker 8: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: Those are totally forgotten.
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  Speaker 5: At this point.
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  Speaker 8: Predators and The Predator. That's the ones you're talking about, right? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the middle two sandwiched in post-crossover movies but
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  Speaker 1: pre-ban movies.
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  Speaker 8: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 8: yeah let me tell you let me okay let me
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  Speaker 8: tell you because i binged as many as i could
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  Speaker 8: before uh in the week leading up to seeding badlands.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's what i thought would would be our
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  Speaker 1: other movies we've been watching lately because i also watched
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  Speaker 1: a couple of yeah yeah yeah so we're loaded with predators.
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  Speaker 8: I am i am so overflowing with predator and so
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  Speaker 8: it's like uh You know, the only one I missed,
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  Speaker 8: I think I got them all except for the Shane Black,
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  Speaker 8: the Predators one, unless there's something after that. And I
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  Speaker 8: haven't seen the cartoon that's on Hulu.
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  Speaker 7: The killer of killers is good.
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  Speaker 8: Okay. So, so I'm, I think they've gotten some good,
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  Speaker 8: they've gotten a good hold handle on it, you know, uh, fine.
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  Speaker 7: Definitely these days.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think the Rodriguez one that he produced,
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  Speaker 8: I think that was like, like kind of like him
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  Speaker 8: kind of just being a predator geek but it was
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  Speaker 8: also like uh it just didn't have the i think
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  Speaker 8: that i think it was just like uh they had
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  Speaker 8: to make something to keep the ip going or something
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  Speaker 8: but it just i don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know if that was legally true but it kind of
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  Speaker 1: feels like.
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  Speaker 8: It feels like that it kind of feels like the
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  Speaker 8: fantastic four situation where they're just trying to keep the.
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  Speaker 7: Gotta keep it in our name.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Sony reboot of Spider-Man. We gotta put something out, man.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna lose the rights. Gotta get something going.
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  Speaker 8: I did go through that one, but I tell ya,
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  Speaker 8: it was a lot. It is a.
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  Speaker 8: I don't even know where to go.
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  Speaker 1: I guess before we jump to that one, I think
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: first we just have to address the fact that I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that McTiernan gets enough credit for being who
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: he is because I mean, back to back, almost perfect,
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  Speaker 1: like certainly perfectly structured action movies. Like, I mean, Nomads
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  Speaker 1: is cool. I forgot about that one, but like he
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  Speaker 1: starts in 87 with Predator and like, I don't, know
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  Speaker 1: that like there's so many things about just the way
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  Speaker 1: it's put together as an action movie and then eventually
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  Speaker 1: a sci-fi movie but like you're halfway in before you
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  Speaker 1: knew it was a sci-fi movie if you'd never watched
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  Speaker 1: the trailer so like yeah it is just so well
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  Speaker 1: put together and then to follow that up a year
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  Speaker 1: later with die hard like the the most perfectly structured
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  Speaker 1: action movie ever so much so that it created its
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  Speaker 1: own sub-genre of die hard on a blank movies that
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  Speaker 1: They're still making today. I still just watched the one
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: with Rey in it. Did you know there is a thing?
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Rey from Star Wars.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, where she's a window washer, right?
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's basically just doing dialogue.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, okay, because we all know the window
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  Speaker 8: washers we see in life all look like supermodels.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: They look like supermodels and they used to be in
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  Speaker 1: the military so they can kick ass. We all know
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  Speaker 1: that's how window washers operate.
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  Speaker 8: She has no heat damage to her skin at all.
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  Speaker 7: No shrapnel on the side of her face.
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  Speaker 8: Just came out of a vat of butter. And like,
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  Speaker 8: as now she's, uh, I was like, yeah, I didn't
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  Speaker 8: get through it. I was like, I'm trying to imagine.
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  Speaker 1: It was fine, but it's just, again, you watch that
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, now they're just not even going
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else to do a diehard knockoff. They're back in
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  Speaker 1: a building. Yeah. And I was like, wait, isn't that
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  Speaker 1: already taken? But yeah, I was just like, but if
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: you want a good way to see how good Die
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  Speaker 1: Hard is, watch that by comparison. And I'm like, it's
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  Speaker 1: fine if you'd never seen Die Hard. You'd watch it
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  Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, it's an action movie. It's not
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  Speaker 1: even that much action, really. It's mostly her hanging on
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  Speaker 1: the side of a building for two-thirds of the movie.
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  Speaker 1: And then eventually there's some fight scenes. But for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, it's not even a huge action movie. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you watch that versus the vast, amazing structure and just
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  Speaker 1: the way that that movie is laid out is perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And so McTiernan kind of, I mean, and then follows
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: it with Hunt for Red October. So again, they've been
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  Speaker 1: making submarine movies trying to do that for you. That's it.
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  Speaker 8: That's it. Yeah, yeah. McTiernan, let me just say. The
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  Speaker 8: 1980s had us all spoiled. I'm going to drop some
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  Speaker 8: hot takes here.
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  Speaker 1: Old man gets ready to hug cloud. I remember back
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  Speaker 1: in the old days.
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  Speaker 8: The 80s had us spoiled. Because in my mind, when
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  Speaker 8: I saw Predator, I thought it was fine. I thought
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  Speaker 8: it was a Schwarzenegger vehicle. and I thought it was fine, okay?
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  Speaker 8: And I was like, I was not... Predator. I didn't
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  Speaker 8: have Predator mania. I thought it was good, but it
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  Speaker 8: was not Terminator. It was like, it was fine. It was,
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  Speaker 8: I thought it was fine, but that just shows you.
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  Speaker 8: The level of genre cinema at the time was, I think,
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  Speaker 8: in my mind, pretty high, where something like Predator was
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  Speaker 8: just a common movie that would come out in 87.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 8: I haven't rewatched it, but I've seen Predator, you know,
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  Speaker 8: probably 200 times.
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  Speaker 1: On a loop. On a loop.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely. It's never not been on.
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  Speaker 7: It's why I didn't go back and watch that one.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, you know, I know that one.
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  Speaker 1: I can play it in my brain right now. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to rewatch that one.
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  Speaker 8: Exactly. It's like I put the Videodrome tape into my chest.
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  Speaker 8: It's there, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And....
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  Speaker 8: But I had not, I had not, no, I did
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  Speaker 8: go back and watch it because I hadn't seen it.
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  Speaker 8: I hadn't seen it in probably a decade. All right.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 8: And, uh, what, what I was going like, I was
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  Speaker 8: going like, this is so much better than I remembered
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  Speaker 8: it being.
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  Speaker 1: This is like, so quickly put together. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: It's like, you have like a real, an app, especially
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  Speaker 8: after seeing the sequels, you have a real sense of
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  Speaker 8: direction and, and it's kind of about something, which the, well, A,
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  Speaker 8: number one, after watching all these movies, the testosterone overdrive
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  Speaker 8: of watching Predator movies back to back, I mean, you
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  Speaker 8: really just want to go wrestle a tree down out
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  Speaker 8: of its roots and then eat it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when you've got the arm-to-arm handshake of Schwarzenegger
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  Speaker 1: and Carl Weathers, you've got Apollo Crews. Creed grabbing Arnold
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  Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger's hand.
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  Speaker 9: And you're just like oh my god it's all about
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  Speaker 9: the most testosterone ever and then Jesse the insurer shows
• 12:00
  Speaker 9: up and Bill Duke and Sonny Landon for God's sake
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  Speaker 9: Billy's the coolest yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Dude it is like the it's like such a movie
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  Speaker 8: about bro code and don't betray the bro code and
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  Speaker 8: just about primal masculine hunting being hunted and just like
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  Speaker 8: it's like it is like a it is like dude
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  Speaker 8: bro the movie and but in a good way but
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  Speaker 8: that's sort of like it's reason to exist you know
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  Speaker 8: is to portray and explore like you know dude code
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  Speaker 8: you know and dudes doing what dudes do best and
• 12:41
  Speaker 8: you don't you know Carl Weathers kind of betrays the
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  Speaker 8: dude code and like Dylan I thought you were someone
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  Speaker 8: I could trust you know, and everything. And it's just like,
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  Speaker 8: that's like the worst. That's like the worst. They respect
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  Speaker 8: the predator. They don't respect the military industrial complex that
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  Speaker 8: uses them like puppets, you know?
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. We at least got a little femininity. We
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: got Anna there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we got Anna.
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  Speaker 1: So, like, this ain't Glenn Gary again, Ross. We still
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: work in a female character. We're very progressive in our 1987-ness.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We brought in a female character. Aren't you proud of us? Yeah, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: We brought a female character to be a victim in
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  Speaker 1: our dude bro move.
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  Speaker 8: Well, she's like the spiritual center. She, like, says some
• 13:24
  Speaker 8: mystical things about, you know... you know the the the
• 13:29
  Speaker 8: culture that they're they're tromping around in you know um
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  Speaker 8: i thought it was real interesting from a 1980s point
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  Speaker 8: of view you know like us our involvement in like
• 13:38
  Speaker 8: uh south america and it's just kind of like it's
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  Speaker 8: not really it's very interesting it's kind of like saying
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: kind of like what alien it's like uh you know,
• 13:48
  Speaker 8: the company is corrupt, but the, the, the, the man,
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  Speaker 8: the feet, people on the ground are good. And, and awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, man, he's trying to hold him down.
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  Speaker 7: That's right.
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  Speaker 8: Or he's just, he's just used misusing them, you know,
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  Speaker 8: for his own weird agenda. You know, I mean, I, I,
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  Speaker 8: When I watched it as a kid, I never really
• 14:08
  Speaker 8: got why they were there. I mean, I knew it
• 14:09
  Speaker 8: was a rescue mission, but it's real interesting seeing it
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  Speaker 8: now with like the 1987, because there was like the
• 14:15
  Speaker 8: mention of the Russians are moving into the area. So
• 14:18
  Speaker 8: it's like, you know, trying to get, you know, I
• 14:21
  Speaker 8: guess the Russians are basically arming these gorillas to, you.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Know, forget the cold war, the cold war.
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  Speaker 8: So it's like, it's all seeped in cold war. That
• 14:30
  Speaker 8: just shows you like how, how long these predator movies
• 14:34
  Speaker 8: have been with us. and and you really what was
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  Speaker 8: interesting about watching all of them was just uh the
• 14:41
  Speaker 8: the differences in technique as it goes forward and really
• 14:47
  Speaker 8: uh yeah it what for predator to be basically gi
• 14:53
  Speaker 8: joe versus the man from mars it is so much
• 14:57
  Speaker 8: better than it has any right to be and it's
• 15:01
  Speaker 8: it's almost just like freaking perfect and really and kind
• 15:04
  Speaker 8: of like aliens uh it's been quoted so much that
• 15:10
  Speaker 8: really i had a friend that loved predator so much
• 15:15
  Speaker 8: and he probably would quote predator six times a day
• 15:20
  Speaker 8: just in regular conversation.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: How many times did you need to get to the chopper?
• 15:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that was so many times.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: You're like, dude, I'm in the break room. We don't
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: even have a chopper. Shut up.
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  Speaker 8: Well, he just knew that movie so much. It was
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: just like, oh man, it's just so great. And so
• 15:38
  Speaker 8: when I was watching this, I just couldn't help but
• 15:40
  Speaker 8: to think of this guy, you know, and how much
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: that movie was, you know, indoctrinated into him. And, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 8: kind of like, you know, with like Bill Paxton's character
• 15:53
  Speaker 8: in aliens and all this stuff in aliens, which is,
• 15:55
  Speaker 8: you know, just total, total quote machine. And so it's
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  Speaker 8: so great. It's the movie is like, uh, phenomenal. And
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: it always has pace and direction. And you're always trying
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: to get somewhere in it. And, uh, what I have,
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: what I found from the sequels was it felt like,
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: cause we were about to, we were just started going
• 16:19
  Speaker 8: on star Wars tangent before, uh, we started recording, the
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: Predator movies start feeling like Star Wars product, where it's
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: imagery of Predators, but there's no direction or reason for
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: any of it to exist.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We've got to keep the IP alive.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: God.
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: That's all it is. It's just like a radio-friendly unit shifter.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like for a while there, it
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: definitely was. Again, in the newly crowned king of predators,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's true.
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  Speaker 8: No, no, no.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Definitely. Well, I mean, you go to the next one,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and I feel like they were actually.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: I don't feel like that was.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: trying to do that but it was definitely like in
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the era of and we got to do a sequel
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: so like it was just we got to keep this
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: thing going but it wasn't the we got to save
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the IP we got to build a universe that came
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: later with a lot of movies right it was more
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: of just like yes the sequels that's what we do
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  Speaker 1: like that that's how the world works like we're making
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: an action movie then we're making another action movie so
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: right it just felt like it was trying to like
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: tap into that thing the first time and it doesn't exactly.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I re-watched that one maybe about two years ago, I remember,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: because I hadn't seen it maybe since the theater, and
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let's revisit this.
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: I remember thinking it was all right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It's no Predator, but it was pretty good as it went,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and it's fine.
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I had much higher
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: esteem for it back in the day, actually. When I
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: first saw Predator 2, I was like, man, this movie's badass,
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: all right? I kind of like the cartoonish, hyper-frenetic energy
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: of it, you know?
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I like the weird future world where the year of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: 1997 or whatever it was. Yeah.
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: There's a shot of Danny Glover walking through some puddles
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: or something, and his suit is so big on him.
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: It almost looks like... Oversized suits were kind of a
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: thing for a minute, and his suit is so.
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: On him it looks like uh you know dress up
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: like a kid playing dress you know it well you
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: know and.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's also funny handing it like so you're you're mano
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: on mano with schwarzenegger in the last one and now
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: it's like danny glover who last year told us he
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was too old for this shit so now him by
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: himself in a giant suit with a good like a
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: handgun like that's all he has to fight the predator
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: like So it seemed like a weird baton handoff there.
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, okay, Danny Glover here. He holds his
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: own as best as Danny Glover can.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: I love Danny Glover, but it's just a weird shift.
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: The problem is he has nothing to play. I mean,
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: the problem with that movie is nobody has anything to
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: play other than cop stereotypes. That movie actually feels like the,
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: it actually feels like last action hero is directly making
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: fun of predator 2 in some part ways you know
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: it's like it's kind of making fun of every action
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: movie that came before it there's there's there's a good
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: job of it yeah yeah it does it does but
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: i mean predator 2 is kind of like the same
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: script just done for comedy in Last Action Hero. It's so...
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: Predator 2 is like... What I like about it is
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: the energy that comes to it, but it really... it
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: doesn't have the direction and for momentum. That movie basically
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: is doing, uh, uh, uh, donuts in the parking lot
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: until the last 30 minutes. Uh, when, you know, it
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: becomes just a basically fight against, you know, man on man, uh,
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: man versus predator, Danny Glover versus predator. I think what
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: I liked about it when I saw it, it was like, well,
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: I felt they really gave you your money's worth for
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: the final fight scene. Um, which spans several different locations,
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: you know, and I guess starts in the slaughterhouse. But,
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: you know, seeing it again now, I'm going like, it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: not as impressive as I remember. And I remember, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: the Predator gives up very quickly in this one, in
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: Predator 2. He's hanging on the side of a building
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: and Danny Glover is like next to him. And Predator.
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: We know he can jump up walls and jump across
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: rooftop to rooftop but him hanging on the side there
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: he just says ah screw it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Well I mean if you translate what he roars out
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in his language it's I'm getting too old for this
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: shit and then he just gives up he's just like
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that's it I'm done.
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: And it was kind of funny the fan service where
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: Danny Glover goes like you know one ugly and then
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: Predator grabs him and throws him and goes like motherfucker
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: I'm going like oh so he saw Predator.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: We all saw Predator. Even the Predator.
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: It was huge.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Even in outer space, they were like, oh, did you
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: catch that beam from Earth on Predator? That movie's pretty good.
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: Pretty good. They have HBO. Of course.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: HBO Space Plus.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: It's a new space streaming feature.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: They'll change the name of it next year.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Don't worry.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. So that movie's crazy. I mean, it does
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: have kind of like a last... I mean, national... What?
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: Natural-born killers, early 90s, hyper-violent. We're trying to turn everything up.
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: The world's falling apart. You know.
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: The ones that got Robert Downey Jr., not Robert Downey,
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: Morton Downey Jr.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: In it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's just a big mess of a movie,
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: you know?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You can also feel them, like, trying, that's maybe one
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of those first era of them, like, we're already acknowledging, like,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the great movies that just happened in the 80s.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So they're already like, oh, we gotta pull from that and, like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: shove people in here. So, like, remember how cool Gary
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Busey was in Lethal Weapon? I wanted to put him
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: in here. Bill Paxton, man, that guy was awesome in Aliens.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: So we're going to put him in here.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: He's an alien, but it's Predator. They're kind of connected, right?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So let's put Bill Paxton in here, and it's kind
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of the same thing, right? You can feel them almost
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: playing with their action figures, trying to recreate the magic
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that happened in these other movies just a couple of
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: years ago. I don't know that it exactly works.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: No, it doesn't exactly work. The movie just... It's really
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: a weird movie that's... all drive and nowhere to go. And, uh,
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: and I think the problem with it is that it
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: gets buried under its own like, uh, tropes and cliches there, there,
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: as in, there's no, nothing honest about it. There's there,
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: it's all people play. I love the idea of predator
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: being in, uh, you know, You know, basically it says
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: it's from the future, but it's basically 1991, you know, L.A. and,
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: you know, with the riots and everything falling apart in L.A.
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: And that's kind of a cool idea of that Predator
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: would come out and prey on the gang violence, you know.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But it's a cool does it work because it's almost
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: doing from that perspective it is doing the same thing
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like the first one is just yeah an action movie
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and we cram an alien in the middle of it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: right this is basically just like a procedural cop drama
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: which we had a ton of at that point right
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it's doing that for the first two-thirds of this movie
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it just crams an alien in and somehow it isn't
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the same like it's weird because it's it is still
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: trying to be a conventional cop movie for the first
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: half of it. And they're just going to the crime
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: scenes and trying to figure out what's going on. And like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: somehow it just doesn't translate the same way the original does.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't even know specifically the alchemy that
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: came into play in the first one, but it doesn't,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't click.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: The same in that second movie.
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: And that's why, like, as you said, McTiernan used to
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: give a lot of credit or it was just lightning
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: in a bottle that, you know, the second one just
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: doesn't work. The problem is also, yeah, as you said it,
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: them going from crime scene to crime scene becomes very redundant.
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: And so it's just like there's no progression of the
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: story at all until the Predator and Danny Glover fight
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: at the end.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: So it's a big reveal, yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. It's just a giant circular kind of plot
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: of Predator kills somebody. They show up. And Danny Glover,
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: I like Danny Glover. He's great in Lethal Weapon movies,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: and he's done some real acting and everything, but this
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: is kind of like a Saw performance where I just
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: feel like the movie kind of like hangs him out
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: to dry. It doesn't shoot him right. I just wanted
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: to do a super cut of Danny running away from
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: the camera. I don't know why I fixated on this.
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: It was just like he's just always running away from
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: the camera and uh, trying to start a fight with somebody.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: And I was just kind of like, it, it doesn't,
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: I don't know why that it, I think how you
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: shoot your, your macho lead as a lot to how
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: the power, uh, that he brings to a movie and
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: Denny Glover is just always running away.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And again, from that point, he was already built as a,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just, I'm tired, man. Yeah. I'm getting ready to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: retire from this cop job, and I don't need to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be fighting a damn alien.
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: I don't feel like I hear that from Dutch. Dutch
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: is like, I'm gonna kick some.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Of his ass.
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: Dutch is like this natural leader in the movie. He's like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: he plays.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: He's equally as old and should be retired, but you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: don't get that from him. Yeah, yeah. I mean.
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: Danny Glover's character could have been so cool, you know?
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: But he does kind of play him as kind of
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: tired and kind of beat down by the machine. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: then this predator comes along. He's got to show up,
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: you know? Yeah. I mean, I don't know what it is.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: And it could have been like a, you know, like
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: a dirty, hairy kind of versus predator, which would have
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: been a cool thing, you know, but I don't know.
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: The movie just doesn't do him any favors. And, Can
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: we just say that one of the great things about
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: these new Predator movies is they ditched the jungle room
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: nightclub interior of the Predator ship that was like.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry. I don't know.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: They still like to go to those inside the ship
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and we got the trophies on the wall. We still
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: got to get that in usually. That's fine. It may
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: just not be the cool nightclub scene you're looking for.
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: Dude, the interior of the Predator ship in Predator 2
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: is like such a mess, man. It's such a mess.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: I can't stand it. You know, I like that they
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: kind of have hieroglyphics and, you know, that the Predator,
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: you know, iconography is kind of like a Mayan type,
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: you know, look to hieroglyphics and stuff. But, oh, I
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: just hated those backlit walls with the fog and. I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: it looked like a nightclub. It was terrible.
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: I think you just want to hang out there.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Let's be real. You want to hit the club with
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the Predators and dance around. I see it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: All that set is missing is a mirror ball. Come on, dude.
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: It's just missing a mirror ball and a bar in
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: the corner. That's all it's missing. You place the trophy
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: case with a bar. You know, I mean, that place
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: is good to go. Xenomorph serving you drinks. He just
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: sort of.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Hisses and throws you a vodka and tonic. And you're like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: all right, good enough.
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: And I still don't know what the thing with the
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: gun at the end. I know it would take me
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: five seconds to look it up on Google. But, you know.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So as far as we know, I'd never really remember
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: hearing about a Predator 3 gun. So as you said,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: there's a big stretch there. So it's like, why is it?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Two still made decent money, I feel like. I went
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and saw it in the theater.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: So I feel like it did okay when it came out.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: It seems like they were primed to be like, all right,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: heading down the rest of this road instead of just
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: sort of coming to a screeching halt for a while there.
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: Right, right. No, a screeching halt. And I guess it
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: got kept alive on comic books and expanded universe.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like the reason it didn't feel like as
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: long a stretch is... Because the alien part of the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: alien franchise kept going on for two more movies, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: it kind of kept it alive until we get to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the crossover movie.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: Again, we still had a few years after that fourth one, but.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Enough that people were still hyped about Alien, and then
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: they remembered Predator from the other two movies enough to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's going to be awesome. Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: I don't know if anybody.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Actually said that. Certainly not after they.
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: Saw the movie. Well, here's a hot take, all right?
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: So I really enjoy Alien vs.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Predator. I, again, went and saw it in the theater.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I've rewatched it since then.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: Okay. I rewatched it, and after.
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: Predator 2, I think it's a better movie. And I
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: would say that it's ridiculous. It's got Paul Thomas Anderson problems.
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: But what I like about Paul Thomas Anderson movies is
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: that he is obviously just this total geeking out fanboy
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: who just loves movies and And he comes up with some, he,
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: I think he can stage an action sequence pretty good. And, uh,
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: it does make you appreciate that it doesn't start. He
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: had to Bovich at it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: And before he might reinsert her in digitally now, right, right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: The special edition.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Right. Um, Hey man, if you find a, you find
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a person you like working with, you marry them.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: And you make a lot of movies together.
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: That's it. That's it. Um, It's like the Kate Beckinsale director.
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: Just going to keep.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Making these terrible movies with you in it. You'd think
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you'd want to make a better movie for your wife,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: but I guess not. As long as we're working together,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: good enough.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: That's it. It's a vacation. I don't know. I enjoy it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: My main thing is.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I.
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: Don't know how many hot takes I've got left, but
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: I think... The Alien vs. Predator design of the Predator
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: fixed some problems I had with the Predator design. Of that... So,
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: the Predator from the first two, especially from the first one,
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: I never liked fishnets and a space helmet.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Alright? I just... what you wear to the club when
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you're getting your drink from the Xenomorph. You got your
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: fishnets on, you're looking hot.
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: I'm just like.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Music's bumping, you know, come on.
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: Now, I know it's Stan Winston, but I also know
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: the original design got scrapped halfway through production and they
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: had to come up with something real quick.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: Hey, Jean-Claude Van Damme looks good in those fishnets.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Don't you worry.
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: They had to switch out the design. And so they
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: cobbled it together. And I feel like the combination of underwear, whatchamacallit, fishnets,
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: and a big clunky space helmet just never worked for me.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: And I think it looks better in drawings, but on
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: screen it didn't. What I liked about the AVP design
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: was I feel like they bulked them out and made
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: them look More like a cohesive design where it had Predators.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: It was still Predator, but it just looked, I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: maybe the linebacker battle armor for the Predator looked better
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: than a big shiny Corvette on your head and fishnets.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: That's just me, dude.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Each their own.
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: I'm allowed to be wrong to say that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, they aren't flying around in spaceships. It does
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: seem like they'd have like a space suit to some extent,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you know. I don't know if they don't need to
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: worry about the vacuum of space, but it seems like
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you'd still want a cool, sporty spacesuit for, like, you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: just looking cool as you come out of your spaceship
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and go mess with the locals like you do when
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you're flying around the universe. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, I guess if you're in the middle of Guatemala,
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: you'd probably, you know, dress down, dress for the occasion.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: He does seem.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: To go to a lot of hot locations. He does.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I gotta get this shirt off, man. Freaking 98 with humidity.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: I ain't gonna do this.
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: It's like global warming. But he's still got this giant
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: space helmet. I don't know. Anyway. There's some things that
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: I think that movie does pretty darn good. They shoot
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: the alien. And the alien queen in that movie is
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: like amazing it's like you know just it's mostly practical
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: but but you know some the cg doesn't look cg
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: when it's running and it looks great the aliens move
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: great um the the fight scenes between the aliens and
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: the predators are great now there's all the dumb stuff
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: with the human characters so it's like a godzilla movie
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: it's like godzilla versus the smog monster you got to
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: get through the human characters but at least the human
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: characters are okay i think they're better than the human
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: characters in uh predator 2 but uh.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: The recent american godzilla movies i keep going why are
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: these humans here yeah we're here to watch godzilla fight
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: king kong like quit talking and get to them fighting
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and doing stuff and that stuff works so well but
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: every time they go back to me i'm like i
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: don't even know what your motivation is like i don't
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like and i feel like even the actors are like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: wait what are we doing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: In this scene They don't know.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And they have good actors sometimes. And I'm like, why
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: are you here? I guess this is a paycheck, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I don't get it, man. No, no, no.
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: There's always been a Godzilla problem until... The Godzilla problem
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: was always the two different... terrible human scenes intruding in
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: an awesome Godzilla movie until, until this year zero came along,
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: you know?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, again, that's why I said the American wins.
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: Like, yeah, yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: They're fun. Don't get me wrong. But yeah, when we,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: when we had a real Godzilla movie again, it was like, Oh,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Oh no, that's, that's how you do a movie. Like
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: as actual characters, like Godzilla is like the supporting character.
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: In this movie.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: Godzilla zero was like, yeah, it was like, I feel
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: like they fixed the Godzilla problem where they made, uh,
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: the human element as important as the Godzilla. Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: It was like, uh, it was like making it a
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: personal story about, you know, I mean, it was just
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: kind of like everybody. has a Godzilla to defeat in
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: their life. But this poor mofo, his Godzilla is actually Godzilla.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of problems before Godzilla shows up.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That guy's got problems. He's got problems.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: He's got problems. Anyway, anyway.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Do we even count Requiem? Because I don't even remember.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like I watched it the first time it
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: came out and I blocked it out even in the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: middle of the movie, maybe.
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: I don't remember. I just know everyone talks bad about
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: that movie.
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: It is the revenge of the Sith of the Predator movies.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: So it's the best one. Right, absolutely. It brings it
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: all together. It is probably the lowest point. I had
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: not seen it until this week. Because when I saw
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: the trailer where it was going to be Alien and
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: Predator in small town USA, I was going like, absolutely not.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: They barely made it work in LA.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: This is not going to happen.
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. This is the sci-fi channel version of this franchise.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: I did not go see it. Then I watched it
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: on streaming this week and it was just as bad
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: as the trailer made it look. I would say it
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: has cool shots of the Predator but So for me,
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: it was like the Revenge of the Sith thing where
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: I go like, wow, I'm watching Star Wars stuff happen,
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: but I don't know where anything is going or what's happening.
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: It's just things to look at. It's kind of like
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: looking at somebody's display case of Star Wars figure.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I will return to the Star Wars thing later.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: But for now, I'm just saying I've avoided that movie
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: since I think I tried to watch it. I don't
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: even remember. Like, I remember nothing about Requiem. I at
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: least remember watching the first one. But I don't even
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: remember anything about Requiem.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: It's so garbage. It's so garbage. It's like all the bad.
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: It's like, talk about just them being not distinguished characters.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: What Predator has is distinguished characters. And then Predator 2 has, like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: you know, stereotype, you know, characters. Caricatures. And then AVP
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: has whatever comic book-y stuff P.T. Anderson is doing. You know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: it's not really even about the characters. But then by
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: the time you get to Requiem, it's not about anything.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: And really, it's just the people are all completely indistinguishable
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: from each other. And nobody has any kind of arc.
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: They're just there to get attacked by predators and aliens.
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: And there's no point. This movie has no point to exist.
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: It's not saying anything. And I'm not trying to sound
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: like Mr. Arty Farty Filmmaker. Like a movie should be
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: about something. But Predator is about something. And it gives
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: the movie a skeleton to hang on. And the sequels
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: aren't about anything. Until recently. And Requiem is the worst
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: case example of that. Where it's really... It just feels
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: like a guy with a camera shooting fan footage of
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: Aliens and Predators. It feels like a YouTube fan movie.
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: It's that terrible.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Then we hit the dry spell, as you mentioned. Right.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: So....
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: The thing is, there was supposed to be, I guess
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the closest to a potential three was Robert Rodriguez.
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: Because he was super into the Predator thing.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: So it says that he had originally written a screenplay
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: as a continuation after 2. And it was basically going
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to be almost like a gladiator situation. We were going
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to get more of the Predators going to get people,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: bringing them back to whatever this planet was, and hanging
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: out watching people fight each other. And it was supposed
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to involve Schwarzenegger because they were going to come get him,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I guess, and bring him there to fight. It's basically
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: the Ragnarok of... predator movies. So you were going to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: see Dutch fighting a predator in the middle of an arena,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: according to, you know, what they said he was working on.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: Dude, that would have been awesome.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: At that point, Schwarzenegger was not really an actor anymore.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: He was a politician. So that went on ice and, uh,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: sat there for 15 years, more or less. And then
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: eventually when he got back to it, he sort of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: still came on as producer and I think was involved
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in the storytelling version of it. But yeah, he handed
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it off as a director. So yeah, Then we get Predators.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: In an aliens move, we get Predators.
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: Right. 2010. Right.
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: Which I have one big problem with.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Do it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Do it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: From the get-go, from the first time I saw the trailer,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I went, okay, so our big military tough guy, our
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger carrying a gun in this movie is Adrian Brody? Shit.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that is my main issue and it was initially because
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like he is massively miscast but on top
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: of that I did go back and rewatch this one
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: this week and I'm like Man, I don't like Adrian Brody.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: Like, as time's gone on, now I have so much.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Personal, like, real world stuff. Oh, okay. Well, again, like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: we just gave him another Oscar. I'm not going to
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: say he can't act. Right. In his fancy Oscar movies,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I've heard great things about this
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: thing we just gave him an Oscar for, but I'm like...
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: He got up there to make a speech, and he
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: came off like an asshole.
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: I'm like, I don't like this guy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: The words he was saying was nice, and they meant something,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: and they were about family and horrible things we've done
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: in our history. I get it that it was about something,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: but the way he presented it, the way he spit
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: his gum out as he walked up on stage... And
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: then sat there, and as they tried to get him
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to shut up, he told them to stop playing the music.
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: Oh, wow.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: This isn't my first rodeo. I've already been up here
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and won an Oscar. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're great. You're
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: real great. Quit being an asshole. So I just don't
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: like Adrian Brody is what I've discovered over the years.
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: I got it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So going back to watch this, I'm like, now it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: just a one-two punch of, like, I can't take you
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: at all. I can't take you seriously in the role
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: because you're massively miscast. And on top of that, I
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: just don't like you as a person. So way too
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: much of the screenplay is built around you to just
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: sort of not pay attention to you. So that's the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: biggest hurdle for me. Other than that, I think there's
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: some interesting things in this movie. It's just Adrian Brody.
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: This is the problem.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I can overlook the Topher Grace of it all. That's
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the one I can be like, yeah, whatever. That's weird,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: but whatever. But that one I can write off.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: But, yeah, I can't get over.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: The Adrian Brody.
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I forgot Topher Grace was in this. I did, too.
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: The credit came up, and I went, oh, yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I forgot.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: Well, he was just hanging up from behind the tree.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: I didn't remember him showing. And it was like, Topher
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: Grace is in this? And it wasn't like, oh, yay.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It was like, oh, no. Well, I think that's what
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: everyone says when they see his name in a movie, credits.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Topher Grace is in this? The thing is, I mean,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: he's easy to make fun of, and we certainly have
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: over the years on this show. We watched a whole
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: horror movie with.
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: Him in it, and it was just Chopra Grace jokes
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: the whole time.
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: But he's not.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: A bad actor. Like, in the right role, he can
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: do amazing work. Like, him in the... what's the black
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: clansman he's amazing and you give him a really heavy
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: role to play and i'm like dude he brought it
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: like he is good in that movie yeah so i'm
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: like you give him the right role he can do
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: really good work with it but you give him this
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: or trying to be venom like you know it's like
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you miscast him in these weird roles and it's just
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: like what what is topher grace doing here like I
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: think there's also that.
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: This is the problem. There's just an overall unlikability to
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: everybody in that movie. And yeah, Adrian Brody, I've seen
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: him in movies that I think he's really great in.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: I don't know. He's probably an asshole, but I mean, whatever.
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: I like him in some movies, you know?
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: He can be good in movies. I won't discredit him
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: as an actor. I just don't like him personally.
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's like... This movie he did called The Jacket.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's one of my go-tos. I remember seeing
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that and thinking it was a great movie.
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: And he happens to be good in it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. But from Schwarzenegger to Danny Glover... To Adrian Brody.
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: And he bulked up and whatever for the role.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: He tried, but it still doesn't. By the end, he
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: very definitely takes his shirt off. He's like, look, I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: worked out in the gym every day to get this.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show it off. And I'm like, yeah,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, you look good, but I'm still not taking
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you seriously. He still looks like Adrian Brody went to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the gym.
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: It's his sad little puppy dog eyes. You just don't
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: believe that this guy is a cold-hearted mercenary. Not at all.
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: He plays sensitive, tortured, psychological roles and everything. He's like, oh,
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: you know, and pathos. And he's not the person that's
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: described in the story.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: No. No. He just doesn't feel right from the second
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: he shows up.
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: It's a vibe. And you don't believe him seeing these
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: lines of like, yeah, that's what I would have done.
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: It's like those sad puppy dog eyes. They don't lie.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go over here to Bush and cry now. Okay, Adrian,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you go over there. We're going to make a plan.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: So you go cry or whatever you're going to do.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: You're going to go to random events. A poem about
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: the Predator or something like that. You believe that?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I wrote this for you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: My saving grace, I really like Alice Braga. And I think, again,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like she should have been in more stuff
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: back in the day. And I think she's the only
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: person maybe, one or two, but she's the one I'm like, no,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I buy her in this role. She's doing good work.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: She's actually believable in this. And the one that has...
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: sense to her where the rest of the again it's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of macho bros so like there's some
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: stupid things going on and she's there going no idiots
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: look here's what you need to do like yeah agree
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: so she's the only one that seems to kind of
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: hold this little group together both acting wise and within
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the story itself.
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: I agree i think she's good she gives a movie
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: a little bit of a nuance which has zero nuance
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: yeah otherwise it's it's just all you know, just a
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: bunch of indistinguishable from each other badasses. I mean, even
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: with Topher Grace, he really doesn't have any, it's just
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: nothing to look at. There's just, there's, it looks like
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: it was shot, you know, in somebody's backyard, you know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: I know we're supposed to be in the forest planet,
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: you know, or something, especially when you compare it to
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: what they can do nowadays with Badlands. You know, this
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: game preserve planet, it looks like, For a lot of
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: the shots, it looks like, you know, I think it
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: was shot in Texas and the woods are real sparse.
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: And it looks like, yeah, they went into Rodriguez's backyard,
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: you know, and like, you know, played guns. And, you know,
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: it kind of suffers a little bit from Robert Rodriguez's
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: backyard syndrome.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: Like Rodriguez.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I think he does put together some really fun stuff.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Usually he's way more concerned with putting together this really cool,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: fun idea than something heavy and worried about the details
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: of it. Watch your Spy Kids movies.
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: He's just worried about that kind of stuff.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, this was a cool idea and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I made it happen.
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: I'm down with him. I'm down with him. I'm not
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: throwing shade on him. The You know, there was just
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: something sort of, you know, I guess it just, it just,
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: there was a kind of a low budget aspect to
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: the movie. I mean, better than Predator Requiem, but still.
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: But I feel like there's an.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Center of this that could have been good like I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: do like the idea again instead of us seeing them
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: get kidnapped and taken off to a gladiator match like
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: it is interesting like we've just heard that this is
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: you know the what the predators do they hunt people
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: so right to like get this other version of like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: okay how do they get these people and what happens
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: do they know what's going on no I They wake
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: up being airdropped in.
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: I love it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: That's a cool concept. And then the fact that they
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: get there and they don't know what's going on, they
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: are around these other people, they don't know who to trust.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: So it's like that basic idea is really cool. It
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: just never really goes any further than that. The whole
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: time it's just like, yeah, this is a cool idea,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: but we're like 90 minutes in.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: So what are we doing here?
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: That's it. I think the problem is the characters are
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: not interesting. So you're kind of just watching the mechanics.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: of the story function, trying to get to the end,
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: but it all feels kind of a slog to get
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: through it because you're not connected to anybody because the
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: movie's not about anything.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: It was interesting. This is sort of the first time... Well,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, definitely the first when we get nothing but...
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: dudes with giant guns in the jungle and that's how
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: we start with this but it's interesting mixing in other
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: types of people yeah you know we got a serial
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: killer a serial killer a gang banging Danny Trejo type
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah who that is how they build him in
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the script yeah when it was written it was a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Danny Trejo type which made its way to Danny and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: he went uh Robert hey yeah I'm a Danny Trejo
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: type and that's how you got Danny Trejo in the
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: movie But even the Yakuza guy, that's a badass killer.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I like the idea of adding that element in. It's
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: just never really... Again, it just doesn't work up to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: its potential.
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely. There's a scene where a Yakuza guy has
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: the samurai sword and he's fighting the predator and you're
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: going like, this should.
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: This is a really cool idea right now.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: That is one of the few times I'm like, okay,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: here's somebody that again, doesn't seem like your big Arnold
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger type, but I'm like, this guy seems like he's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: a bad-ass enough to be able to hold his own.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: And with the predator in the fight, you know, it's
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: like you put the weapons down, you just have a
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: sword fight.
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: It's pretty cool.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Like, you know? Yeah.
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: So, so there's, there's the line and the thing was like,
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: we are the monsters of our world. And so they
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: brought us here, you know, and I, So I kind
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: of like that idea, but because there's, besides the female,
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: there really is no, they're not, they're not.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Young Mahershala Ali's got a moment or two. He's pretty
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: good at, you know, trying to bring a little something
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: to this role. Sure.
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: Even though, again, he's like from the.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Death squad or something. So the fact that we're starting
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to like, oh, I really like this guy. Oh, no way. No,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: these people are all terrible. Right.
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: Alton Goggins, he's the one I forgot was in it.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Me too! He was doing his most over-the-top Alton Goggins stuff,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: but again, by the end, you're just like, the things
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: he keeps saying, you're like, but no, you're horrible. You
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: need to.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: Die, dude.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: It's hard to attach yourself to these characters.
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: That's it. That's the problem. It's hard to attach, and so,
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: you know, in Predator, you really, even though of all their,
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: Machismo and you know and all that you kind of
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: you like yeah they're bad jokes dude bro behavior dude
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: bro behavior you really like them you don't mind hanging
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: around them for 90 minutes and you kind of feel
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: bad when they get uh killed you know uh but
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: but these guys this is like a group of people
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: you just don't want to hang around for 90 minutes
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: with you know i mean and so it becomes becomes
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: like a jason movie where you just kind of waiting
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: for him to die. You're kind of waiting for the
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: movie to just sort of perfunctory.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: And it takes a long time, really.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Other than we off Danny pretty quick, but the rest
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of them hang around for a long time. And it's like, yeah,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: it seems like you should be often at least one
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: by one. If we're doing this Jason style, you should
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: be taking them out a little faster, but it'll be
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: into the movie before we start taking them out. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: A lot of movie people, it seems like everybody that's
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: in this movie, you forget that it's in the movie.
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: Larry Fishburne shows up and I go like, oh, I
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: forgot he was in this.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Again, that's one of those, if ever, cash and a paycheck,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: because they're like, he's got less than 15 minutes screen time,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and yet they put him, like, on the poster, in
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the trailer, like, they were billing, look, we got Larry Fishburne, yay! Like, yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: So it's just another one of those crazy person Larry
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Fishburne roles that I feel like he was doing a
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: lot at this point. There was a few that he
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: falls into this, oh, look, look who showed up halfway
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: into this movie. Larry Fishburne, yay! Like.
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: He pulls up in his car, he gets out, throws
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: on a trench coat, says like, ah! Then he takes
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: off the trench coat and gets out of there. Check, please.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: And Predators ends so terribly with, like, they kill the guy,
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: then there's no way off the planet, and then they
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: don't know how to end the movie, so they just
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: go like, let's figure out how to get off this
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: fucking planet. And then they walk off into the sunset,
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: and I'm going like, well... They just didn't know what
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: to do or how to satisfactorily close this movie out.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: And even that, I was just like, as our doofus
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: leader keeps going, like, I can probably wing it. I
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: can figure out how to fly the ship. And I'm like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: all right, maybe. Maybe there's some basics to aviation there
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: that you can pick up on.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: I've seen this in other sci-fi movies. You just sort
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: of wing it and fly the ship.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: My thing is, you don't know where you are, like
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: not even on the planet, in.
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: The universe, like in the galaxy.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: You have no idea where you are. How would you
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: navigate to get back home? For real. You don't speak
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: their language. You don't know their technology. Even if you
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: could wing it on the ship, how do you get
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: back home?
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, dude. You're there's some problems there.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah even they didn't know how to end that movie
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and they kind of they were just like yeah whatever
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: were they thinking they were setting it up for a
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: sequel i don't know maybe i.
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: Don't it doesn't feel like it i mean maybe it
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: feels like it but it feels like uh they just
• 54:46
  Speaker 8: were out of ideas they.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Had like i don't know let's wrap this.
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: Up they had one idea, let's show predators. And then
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: once they did that, they were out of ideas. No,
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: it does kind of, but when we talk about mythology, yeah,
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: as you said, it does kind of like give us
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: another layer of the mythos, you know, predator two said, I,
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: this is part of the alien universe and predator three
• 55:12
  Speaker 8: predators kind of says like, Hey, sometimes they kidnap people
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: and put them in a game preserve and hunt them there.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: Well, and we start adding in other creatures, too.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: So we get the, like, giant animals that they drop
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: down there with them, like, is the first wave of, like,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: how can we take out these people? Which is weird.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, aren't you the ones that want to hunt them? Like,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: why bother? Right. later it almost makes sense when they
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: have like hunting dogs then it kind of makes sense
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: but like those are just some other weird creature they
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: threw down there so i'm like what what what is
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: this accomplishing if you're the one supposed to be hunting
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: them but yeah so but we we then at least
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: widen the universe to okay here's some other alien creatures
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: that they hang around so yeah yeah we we continue
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that on with the next movie definitely as we get
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: into predator dogs Predator dogs. Right.
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. They have hunt dogs. That's kind of
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: a cool idea. They expanded it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: It does make sense.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: Exactly. It fits in the universe.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: As much as anything in this movie is going to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: make sense.
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: It fits in the universe. It fits in the universe.
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: So after Predators left everybody lukewarm, how many years before
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: we got to the next one? I mean, it wasn't a...
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: It's like 2010 to 2018.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Okay. So....
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: It's a good stretch. Almost another decade, all right? And
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: so they brought.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Did you re-watch this one this week?
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: No, I didn't.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: See, I did, and I'd seen it.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Like, I guess when that first year it came out
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: at least. I don't know if I... I might have
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: gone to the theater to see this. I don't know, but... Right, right.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: It is interesting because it's almost like then you gave...
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the Predator franchise, you're like, what if we did a
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: funny one? He basically gave it to comedy writers. No
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: offense to Shane Black, who is a good writer, but
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: he is known for doing pretty humorous stuff, and Fred
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Decker is a great guy, but he's also made really
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: funny movies, so it's like you gave it to these
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: two guys that, and I remember, I do remember thinking
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: this when I saw it the first time, it's like
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: you basically handed over one of their favorite franchises to
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of 12 year old boys and went, okay,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: what do you guys want to do?
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: And they were just like, watch this.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: And like, they just, they're giggling to themselves every step
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: of the way as they make this movie, because it
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: comes off as a comedy and it's got so many
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: little like shout outs to the previous movies and like
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: just so many little, and just sort of nerdy sci-fi
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: fan inside jokes and movie geek inside jokes that I'm
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: just like, it is just sort of made for that
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: purpose alone. And I don't know that it even like
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: plays for somebody who just likes predator movies. Yeah.
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I, I, so I'm kind of with you. I,
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: a lot of people hated this, but I had a
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: really good time watching it. So just from watching it
• 58:09
  Speaker 8: from what my memory of watching it going, like I'm
• 58:12
  Speaker 8: going like, man, that was a good time. You know,
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: I don't know if it's like.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: You know, uh goofy as hell yeah it's like i
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: just re-watched it it's so goofy like it is just
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: a silly movie and they kind of know it like
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: it's not like they made a bad movie like they
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: knew what they were making like they they set out
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to make this movie they wrote it she directed it
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: like they knew what they were making so it's just
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: kind of funny that Again, for a series of movies
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: that's been so serious up to this point, and definitely
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: coming off of Predators, taking itself super seriously. And then
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: you get to this, and it's just goofy as hell.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: And it is fun, but you have to throw everything
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: out the window. You can't hold on to your old-timey
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Predator love, because if you're expecting the Dutch movie, you're
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: going to be very upset.
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: Because this is.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Again, two 12 year old boys having fun playing with
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: their action videos.
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah and i think it was so good just to
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: see fred decker's name in a credit again and like
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: finally getting awesome getting out of movie jail for robocop
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: 3 you know it was like i mean you know
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: he's done his time let him put something out you
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: know let him write something.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Again, talking to him years ago, he even said that.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I know people don't like that movie,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: but they came to me and said, hey, do you
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: want to make a RoboCop movie? And I went, yeah. What,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: are you going to say no? I'm a big fan
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: of RoboCop. They came to me and said, you want
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: to make.
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: A RoboCop movie?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I know the deck is stacked against me,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: but I don't care. I got to make a RoboCop movie.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: So, yeah, he kind of took.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: He took, yeah, but I was like, yeah, he took
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: the heat for it. But I'm like, I can't blame him.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I would have done it too.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. Absolutely. Go down swinging at least, you know.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: So this felt like that same thing. He loved the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Predators thing. And like he, well, he loved Predator as
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: a concept in the old movies. And like he got
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: to come play in the sandbox with his toys. And like,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: that's fun, you know. It's not great, but it's fun. Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not mad at Fred Decker for making a
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: bad RoboCop 3 movie. I mean, this was the, you've
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: got so much goodwill from Night of the Creeps and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: Monster Squad that, you know, you go like, ah, man,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: sorry it didn't work out. But, you know, things don't
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: work out sometimes. And they were trying to PG-13 eyes
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: everything back then. So, you know, I mean, yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: And you don't even have your lead anymore. So, again,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: like the deck's stacked against it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: Deck is stacked against you, bro. and uh but but
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: uh yeah so it was great to see him and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: i think the movie has like it's got a bigger
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: budget than uh whatchamacallit predators so they can do more
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: stuff and i mean i.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Don't remember i was pretty good and it like the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: effects you know for what they were doing and the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: budget they had it looks pretty good.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: Absolutely and and and here we go who would you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: rather hang out with Adrian Brody being dour and trying
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 8: to act like tough guy or Thomas Jane with his
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: wacky little idiosyncratic performance in that movie. I think he's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: so much better.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: The question is, do you want to hang out with
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Olivia Munn all day? Yes, I want to hang out.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 11: With Olivia Munn.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: To me, that's the geek thing. Like it is just
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: nothing but geek cred. Like Olivia Munn was like the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: queen of the geeks at that point in time. And
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: they got her to be in this movie. Then they're like, well,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: what if we put Jake Busey in it? There's a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: little tie to the old movie. Remember his dad was
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: in that one movie.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: We got him for this one. So there's your little
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: geek tie in. Right. It's obviously a comedy. We're working
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: in Keegan. Michael Key is like doing jokes off. It
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: was like, we're back to the old bad jokes again.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Like from the first movie, like, So it's like it's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: so not taking itself seriously the whole way through.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I remember watching it and I remember going like,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: that was pretty good. I don't know what everybody's problem
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: with this, you know? I mean, I guess they like.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: I think it's just because it's so silly.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: No one had seen... Like, even Predator 2 took itself
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: relatively seriously. It wasn't as heavy as the first one,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: but it took itself seriously. Where this movie does not. Like,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: everything about this movie is just... Let's have fun, guys.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: It's just goofing around with the Predator property. You want
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: to make Predator dogs? Sure. Let's make dogs with dreadlocks.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 8: Who gives a shit?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: And they did.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: Is it ridiculous?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, it is.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 8: Okay, I forgot that there's Predator dogs in that. Okay,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: so I thought you were talking about the Predator dogs
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: from Predators, but no, there's Predator dogs.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: No, this is, yeah, that's the one that has actual
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Predator dogs. They have the Predator mouth, they have dreadlocks. No, wait,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I think the mouth is a little.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: Different, but they definitely have dreadlocks.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: That's hilarious.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Also, this is a movie that describes the Predator as
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: if Whoopi Goldberg was an alien. In the movie. That's
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: not a smart-ass reviewer making that comment. In the movie,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: they say that.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: And I was like, so Guinan?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: We already have that. What are you talking about?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: Absolutely right.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I was just like, this movie is so ridiculous.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: And it knows it, and it's having fun with it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: So I think it's an all or nothing. You either
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: are okay with this movie or you hate this movie.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: Right, because it doesn't take it seriously.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: It doesn't take the legacy of Predator's seat. I'm like, dude,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: it's Predator. Calm down.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: Everybody should chill.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I agree it's ridiculous, but calm down.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: Right, right. So I haven't seen it in a while.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: What does it add, if anything, to the mythos of
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: what do we learn more about the Predator story?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the one we... It's on Earth. The
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: creature sort of crash lands, and then it's almost Area 51.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: We've got one in a.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: We've almost got the ID4 room where they walk in,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and we've got one strapped to a table. So we've
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: got a Predator. Once again, the self-awareness of the guys
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: in the room are calling him the Predator. They nicknamed
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: him the Predator. And then joke within a joke, then
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Olivia Munn's like, well, he's not really what you're describing
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: as a predator.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: He's like a game hunter.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Predator is, you know, like they're breaking down the terminology
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: of the entire franchise as being wrong. So like they're
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: making the joke about the whole predator as a whole,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: as a concept. You're even calling it the wrong name.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I love that. Like that's how like irreverent they are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: about this. Like they don't care. So yeah, then the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: difference is, and the thing I think that was most interesting,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: and I totally forgot, this is also maybe one of
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: the first mainstream movies that started working in... characters on
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: the spectrum which.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 10: I thought would be interesting right right right knowing we've
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: both seen kids with that issue and yeah our main
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 10: kid the kids that are making fun of him keep
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: keep making Asperger's jokes so I guess technically maybe I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 10: don't think he ever says it or his mom ever.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Says it but I guess he has Asperger's right and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: then we also Thomas Jane's character has Tourette's so it's
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: like we've got all these weird spectrum issues going on
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: in this movie and like It's weird because... Surprisingly, it's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: from the kid at least. Thomas Jane's a little cringy.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: But the kid, not bad. Usually they really... It's hard
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: to get somebody to do a performance that's even close
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: to what really goes on with somebody on the spectrum.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Where this kid is just a little different, but he's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: not overplaying it, which is the best thing you can
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: do in that kind of role.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: That was an interesting thing on the rewatch. There's a
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: whole lot of dealing with that. But yeah, as far
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: as the universe, we add in the fact that the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: government knows about Predators. We have photos of him from
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: hanging off the building in LA back in the day.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: So they're like, they've got a dossier going on this
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: whole overrun process.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: And then now we've got him trying to do tests
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: on him.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: And of course, then he wakes up and goes crazy
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: and kills everyone.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Right. And then he's just on the loose and they're
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: trying to not get killed by him and try to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: get back to... Because then the guy finds his mask
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: and the arm piece and mails it to himself. But
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: it ends up going to his house and then the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: kid has it. So he knows he's going after the technology.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: So he's trying to get to it before he gets
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: to the kid and kills.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: His son, essentially. Got it.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: That becomes the focus of the last half of the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: movie is this race to get to the... the helmet
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: and the stuff before the Predator also gets.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: There and kills his kid.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: Got it. Are there multiple Predators in this one?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: There is.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: Well, this is where we get the Super Predator, too.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Super Predator. So we get the, and I, this, the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Super Predator is there, and it's, like, an 11-foot Predator. It's, like, huge.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: Got it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: And, like, murders the other Predator, and then, like, we
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: chase him around for the whole last half of the movie.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 8: Got it.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, super predator and predator dogs.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Got it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: Well, they kind of do that than the predators because
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: that was kind of like something they talk about in
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 8: the Rodriguez one was like how there's kind of like
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: this blood feud between like the.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: That was, yeah, the first time we saw that infighting
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: between predators.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Because you got the guy tied up that he frees
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: and then he's the one that kills the other predator.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: So our guys don't even kill the predator. The other
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: predator kills the predator.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: Right, right. Yeah, yeah. So it's like... Yeah, so there's big,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: big mega predators, and then there's little shrimpy predators. But yeah,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: I think they did a better job with that concept
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: than the Shaman Black one.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: But again, expanding that universe of characters and creatures as well.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: So now we've got different versions of predators, and we've
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: got the predator dogs that we had no idea existed,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: but obviously shows there's a whole other piece of whatever. Like,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: are they genetically creating these predator dogs? I don't know exactly. Right.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out some weird basic stuff. Cause
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: they also do a test on the predator and he's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: got human DNA in him. So like, once again, the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: silliness of this movie, Olivia Munn says, so do you
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: want to, you want to find out a human fucked
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: a predator or something to that.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: Effect or vice versa.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like there's weird stuff they're throwing into the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: mythology here that I'm like, I don't even know where
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: they were going with it. They're just throwing out ideas.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: Can we breathe some life into this? Uh, It can
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: just be a viable franchise that we can make a movie.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Every three years.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: And the answer was, no, not really.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: Not yet. not yet.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Because then it died again.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: DOA.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: Yep, yep. But it deserves a better rep, I think.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: It's a pretty fun movie. So, you know.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: And it quotes its own movies like three or four times. Like,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: it works in lines from the other movies... or variations
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: that are in jokes like it is so inside jokey
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: in its own little predator world it is ridiculous so
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: again i think that's the kind of stuff that people
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: are going to roll their eyes and write this movie
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: off so sure that's what happened for several more years
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: till we get to uh you know 2022.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: And that's prey right but we finally got the first
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: it doesn't say predator right right anywhere in the title
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: it's the only one really They didn't call it Predator
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: colon Prey.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Predator slash Prey.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 8: Predator slash Prey. Right, exactly.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: So I love this one. It kind of came out
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, and even because it didn't have that in
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the title, people, I think, didn't know for sure that's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: what it was until, I guess, maybe it's in the trailer,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: and you were like, oh, wait, this is like a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Predator movie? They're rebooting Predator again? It's more or less
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: what it feels like they were doing.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. Well, I had... it just not going theatrical from
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: what I remember. I think it just came out on Hulu.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: But that's also coming out of a bad time for
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: things to go theatrical.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: So I think that was part of it too.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I don't really know that. Maybe they just made a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: deal to go straight to Hulu. I don't know.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I don't, more importantly.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: It's, it's, the first time we've handed it over to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Dan Trachtenberg. Right. So that's where I guess we're eventually
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: going to go to.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: That's pretty much it.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: He's the new king of the Predators.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. And again, if ever you're a geek that feels seen, like...
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Dan is like one of us, man. I knew Dan
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: as a podcaster, for God's sake. Oh, really?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: When I first started doing one, one of the few
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: that was out there that I was listening to, because
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I had to go back and make sure. I was like,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I think this is what he was on. I think
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: he was on Slashfilm a lot. Oh, okay. slash film
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: cast was like one of the earlier podcasts specifically about
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: movies and like I couldn't remember if he was actually
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: like a rotating cast member but I think he was
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: just guest a lot like I remember him being on
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: there enough that I knew his name from that far
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: back yeah and then he also went on because then
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: he's part of a bunch of shows so he's then
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: let's see He was a host on geekdrome.com. He then
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: had a video show that was the Totally Rad Show
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: that he co-hosted with two other guys. And then at
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: that point, yeah, he started, I think he directed episodes
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: of Control Alt Chicken podcast, which I guess I need
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to go find. So at that point, yeah, he was
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: just kind of on the geek side of things and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: like doing that kind of stuff and started like directing
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: short films and And, like, obviously that's what he set
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: out to do, was be a director. But he just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: sort of edged his way in doing short films. And
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: then he did an episode of Black Mirror. And then
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: he full-fledged kind of jumped into it and made, again,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: what I think is one of the best horror movies
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: that gets lumped in as a sci-fi movie. But 10
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Cloverfield Lane is amazing.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: It's good.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: And I was not prepared to like that near as much.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: As I did.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: Right, right. Absolutely.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: He got in the J.J. Abrams circle and got some
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: real money to work with and showed that he could
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: handle it.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: And did the best movie out of them.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I like Cloverfield alright, but 10 Cloverfield Lane is so
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: much better.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: Just as a film. As a concept and as a film.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: It is solid.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: And like Cloverfield just feels like an experiment.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Like, can we do it like this? Like it felt
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: like them presenting this idea in a, in a world
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: that was about to be overrun with found footage movies.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: It was like, can we make this work? And yeah,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: they can, but which do I want to go back
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: and watch again? Yeah. It's Tim Cloverfield. Right. Right.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah. It's a cool movie.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Um, yeah.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I don't, I gotta say, I did not
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: go back and revisit Prey before watching this, but I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: do just, I have nothing but fond memories of it.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: It's just such a like a hardcore version of this idea,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: you know, because it's it's the first time we go
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: back in time. Like we're not doing modern era, you know,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: before it was modern era out in the jungles. And
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: then we had future in quotation marks, L.A. like we're
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: back in the jungles again. So everything's modern day now.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: But we've alluded to over the years in this mythology
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: that they've been doing this for years and years and generations.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: So we go all the way back to before the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: stupid white people showed up in this country. So we've
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: got these native characters that are here. And the fact
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: that they speak their own language the whole time. The
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: whole thing is presented as if it's their story. And
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: once again, kind of like the first movie. It's their
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: story telling this version of, once again... something totally different.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: We have a female protagonist for God's sakes, like, and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: she's good. Like she's really solid and like carries this movie.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: And so like the fact that we're telling her story
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: and her dealing with what's going on in her tribe
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: and like all this other stuff. And then like the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: first movie, Oh, by the way, an alien shows up
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: trying to hunt people. Like, yeah. So again, it's like
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: revisiting that concept of, but in a new and pretty
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: serious way. Not that it's not fun, but not silly
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: like the last movie. It takes itself seriously again, so
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: much so that we're immersed in this tribe and the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: whole thing is kind of from their perspective and that
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: time period perspective and it's not winking at the camera
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: doing silly stuff like the last movie. It's back to
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: being a serious movie about this woman.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: The good Predator movies seem to have a point of
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: view and being told from an interesting point of view
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: from predator with like the, the, the, the, the, the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: band of brothers point of view. And then with prey
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: from a, an Indian tribe point of view and, and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 8: the dynamics within the tribe and treating that with, with
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: real respect and like going like, okay, this is like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: a real world. You know, there's a certain amount of
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: what it feels like. you know, Predator, you can actually,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 8: it feels real like these guys would have to be
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: that way to survive in the world that they live in, right?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: Predator 2 feels like a bunch of actors playing Law
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 8: and Order. You know, they don't, it doesn't feel real,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 8: you know? But Prey, you can kind of get into
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: that world, you know, and go like, oh, this is
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: being told from a, this is like not just going
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 8: to be a retread, We're actually going to tell it
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 8: from an interesting environment, you know, and a new point
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: of view looking at this story. So which is a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: good reason to make a sequel. We've got a reason
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: to exist here. How does this story play out in
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: this environment, you know?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, everything is kind of new. It's like it's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 7: a new perspective. It's a new time period.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: It's new in the Predator sense because it's also old-timey Predator.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: So we got like a bone mask and like our.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Technology is way more rudimentary. It's still like way more
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: evolved than the tribe as far as weaponry and space travel, obviously.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: But like it's still.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: pretty like primal compared to where we get in the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: rest of them where they have you know all the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: crazy laser attachments and all the stuff that the mask
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: does for them and like all this other technology that
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: they're reliant on that like there's not near as much
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: of that with this predator so even the predator itself
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: is a different version of the predator well it.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 8: Makes it more i guess mythic what i what i
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: like about the thing about the predator is because it's
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 8: been around for so long where they talk about it
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: in the in the first one where it would seem
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: like this evil spirit. They keep calling it the demon.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 8: And even in Predator 2, they call it the demon
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: a few times, where it's like, you know... like some
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 8: kind of bad voodoo spirit.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: Because it's a serial killer in this film.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: They're like, who's this weird guy that keeps stringing people
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: up and ripping their spines out?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: It just seems like part of Seven for a minute there.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're on the crime scene, blood and guts everywhere.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 8: It's true.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: This killer is doing weird stuff to the bodies. And
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's Seven. I watched that movie. I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: like that one.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. It is kind of part of the serial
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: killer phase.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: It was for a minute. A little bit, yeah.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but, so, so, yeah, but, you know, you think of, like,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: things like the Windingo and, like, you know, you know,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: it seems like the Predator would just fit right into, like, the, the,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 8: the Native American, it kind of does, you know, kind of.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: A mythology of everything.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the, the, the Predator kind of feel of, you know.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: hunters and tribal and there's always something kind of you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: know uh ancient you know indian culture about it you
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: know uh you know with like a lot of the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: mayan kind of look of everything it.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Is tied more to their life than like you know
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: your la cops you know so it's like yeah the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: tribes and the hunting is very rooted so again that's
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: why this story is so different and important you know
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: in what they're trying to do is because it's the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: parallels between the two and like so what happens when
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: you come up against somebody who is also living this
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: kind of life and is also pretty hardcore and is
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: ready to take you on and like yeah that's sort
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: of what the first movie was and then we sort
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: of returned it in a whole different way in.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: Prey absolutely Dang. Yeah, Prey's pretty awesome.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: Prey is really awesome.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Which is why I was going into it going, oh man,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: they gave it to the right guy.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he gets it.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: He's taking it seriously and he's involved in what the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: mythology is supposed to be and what he wants to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: do with it. yeah but then like moving forward like
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: then he also like that you can see that planting
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: the seed of like okay well now we've established that
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: this has gone on for thousands of years at least
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: if not you know who knows how long so we're
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: going back in time you can take all these different
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: little snapshots of people and places and insert a predator
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: and you've got a whole new story so that's the
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: next movie that comes out is killer of killers And, like,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it is that version done, like, three different times.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: So I know you said you hadn't seen this one yet, right?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it. So
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 8: don't spoil it, but tell me kind of the gist.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I will, but it is, yeah, this one is animated,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: and it does basically just take a little snapshot of, like,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: three different characters that's sort of the same type of
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: thing that was going on in Prey. So we go
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: to Scandinavia in 841 with Viking warriors. Oh, dude. Again,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: we're just taking the greatest warriors of all time now
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: and inserting a predator into the story.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: So we go back to Viking times.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Then we go to 1609 Japan and we pull in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: a samurai. And then we go to World War II
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: and we pull in a fighter pilot. So it's like
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: we've got these... people from battles and all different parts
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: of time and space and, you know, anywhere that's going
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: on in our history. Anyway, we're pulling these characters from,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: and this is more of that original, like Rodriguez idea.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Cause then they take them back to do battle essentially.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: So it is more of like a, a arena type
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: of battle then. So that, that is more or less
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: where it goes again. I won't go too far into it,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: but it is, it is really cool that we're doing
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: that same thing of taking, uh, different perspectives and different
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: warriors with a different take on how they approach battle
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: and how they approach being a warrior themselves and what,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: what it is they're supposed to do when they have
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: an enemy that they come up against. Cause they each
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: kind of have a different take on how they deal
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: with this. So it's really well done and the animation
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: looks good. And yeah, so it's, it's, it's worth seeing,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: even if it wasn't also, you know, done by Dan Trachtenberg.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: So I thought maybe it would have even been farmed out,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: but no, he's, he's involved in this just as much
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: as the other one.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he seems to be getting... He's kind of quiet on...
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: a pulse on how to expand this out and actually meet,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: make it mean something, you know?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: And again, like if, if he were a lesser filmmaker,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: This could have fallen flat or just seem like cashing
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: in because, Oh, that made money. So now we're going
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: to do this one. And when I saw this coming out,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, they're doing two predator movies in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: the same year. Yeah. Yeah. Once again, I thought it
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: was different people. I thought like a whole different crew
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: is making the animated one. And then Dan was coming
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: back to do the theatrical one. But no, it was
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: him doing both of them because he said because Prey
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: was received so well that he then had this idea
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: of three.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: New things to do.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: And because Prey had done well, he kind of had
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: the green light to start doing them. And because... the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: animated one, you know, the animation at least was going
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: to be not him hands on every day. He could
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: start working on the film part of that one while
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: still sort of running the, the overall take of how
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: everything was going in the animated one, but be working
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: on the live action. So that's how he got them
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: kind of rolling at the same time and how we
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: got to in the same year.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 8: That's pretty great, man. Pretty great.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: I got to check that one out today and everything, or,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: you know, this week, uh, uh, yeah, that sounds great.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: That sounds like a good concept.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: It's kind of like cool. It was like the predator
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 8: is like this thing that like feeds off the bad
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 8: vibes of, uh, the, the earth, you know, or other
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 8: places too. I guess, you know, it was like, uh,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 8: you know, all you do is hear about this, uh,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 8: all the war, you know, it kind of like takes
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: like headlines, you know, the Guatemala, uh, you know, our involvement,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 8: political involvement in, uh, Guatemala. And then like the LA problems, uh,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: You know, and then... The.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: Worst parts of humanity.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 8: That's what we're looking for. The worst parts of humanity. Yeah,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 8: I guess the Rodriguez one, you know, the... All the different.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Serial killers and Yakuza.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 8: Serial killers and Yakuza.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Gangbangers.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 8: Gangbangers. All the, you know, death squads. All the bad,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 8: you know, the human conflict, the war and everything.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: The people.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: Man's inhumanity to man, and Predator's this being that feeds
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 8: off that.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, this is exactly what I'm looking for.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 8: That's exactly what I'm looking for.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: If it was like a kumbaya planet, nobody would.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: He just shows up and just shrugs.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Like, what am I going to do with you damn hippies?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: You're not even going to give me anything. You're not
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: even a challenge. You're wasting my time.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: And he closes the door and flies off.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: That's right. But it comes down. They're like, peace, man.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 8: Puts a little flower in his silver cannon.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: You're like, I'm out of here. You guys suck. nuke
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: the planet from orbit.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 8: Just to be safe yeah just to be safe just.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: To be sure speaking of crossover universes just to be.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 12: Safe that's right um heading into the badlands I guess
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 12: we should officially if we're calling this our movie of
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 12: the our.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Movie of the episode uh technically I know it was
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: Lead up it was get.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: More out of life Go out to.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: A movie.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 11: So this is your first hunt. And you've come to
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 11: the most dangerous planet in the universe. You're after a
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 11: creature that can't be killed. The definitive apex predator.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: I could help you. Well, good luck with your journey.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 11: Here, you're not the predator.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: You're the prey.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 11: We might not be alone in this hunt.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: Looking through the forest Around the mountainside Moving through the
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: darkness I'm a creature of the wild Sneaking up behind
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: you Hunting in a pen Attacking out of nowhere.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Our out on the town feature is Predator Badlands. The
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: year is 2025, the director Dan Trachtenberg, and they plot,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: according to IMDB, A young predator outcast from his clan
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: finds an unlikely ally on his journey in search of
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: the ultimate adversary. Spoiler alert, we're going to ruin the
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: hell out of this as much as we've probably done
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: with most of the other ones, except the last one.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I kept the last one pretty minimal because it's all
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: so new, but this one we'll probably go ahead and
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: lay into it. So, you have been warned. And this
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: is also kind of the first time we've shipped sides
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: because every time we're we're following a human character of
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: some sort some humanoid from wherever that like is our
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: protagonist and the bad guy in quotes is the predator
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: right so we've never really had a predator main character before.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: Dude that was what, for me, was such a breath
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 8: of fresh air about this movie, was telling it from
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 8: the Predator's point of view, was, like, I think the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: Rosetta Stone that just made this movie so special. And
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 8: with the advances of makeup effects, and I guess maybe
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 8: there was some CG altering to it, I couldn't tell.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 8: I can't tell you when... what was CG and what was,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 8: you know, practical in this movie.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: Which that's when you know, it's good.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: Again, it all has a signature look.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Like I think it definitely had, you know, a lot
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: of background stuff that was probably not physically there, but
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look bad ever. And I think it all
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: matches with what's going on within the story, within the foreground.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I think it all looked good from
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: that element too.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 8: But from just from our main character predators point of view,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: from his, he gets a lot of performance in this movie.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: He's actually, it's actually a well-acted lead person who you
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: want to hang around for 90 minutes and see what they,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 8: how they get out of this mess. It was something
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 8: that was so missing in most of these Predator movies
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: that I was watching. After part one, this was like,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: I was like, going into Badlands, and I was like, what,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 8: two minutes late. So I came in, you have to
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 8: tell me what I missed. They were talking about what
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: alien they're going to catch. He was talking to his brother, like,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 8: do you want this one or this one? So I
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: probably didn't miss much.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: Pretty much where it starts. If Dad hadn't showed up,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 7: it's pretty early.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 8: Okay, Dad hadn't showed up yet. So, telling it from
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 8: the Predators society point of view, learning about the Predators
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 8: culture learning about what a dick a dad the predator
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 8: dads are.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: That's what i'd heard again just because we're already going
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: into the dad thing so i'd heard it described beforehand
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: because i wanted to see it just when i saw
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the trailer and knowing that they're bringing in a really
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: cool human character that like again we've had a bunch
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: of them like you don't care about but like Ella's
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: just so good in this so it's like I saw
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: her in the trailer I was like oh this is
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: already gonna be a step above what we've had in
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: in the olden times again not not the Dan versions
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: but anything before that you know you weren't getting that
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: level of performances so absolutely but then I also like
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: the the week before I heard it described as it's
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: a very Star Wars predator movie And I was like,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: all right, let's see where we're going with this. So
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: they're not wrong. They fight with laser swords. There's now cute,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: lovable creatures hanging out with them.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 8: That's true.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: And most importantly in any Star Wars movie, there's a
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: terrible father behind it. We have bad fatherhood issues going
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: on throughout the movie, which is maybe the most Star
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Wars thing ever. So we also, you know, not to
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: jump ahead, but we also get a not-so-subtle carrying your
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: broken droid torso on your backpack.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: Oh, jeez. I was like, oh, yeah.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: That's very Empire. Yeah. There's a good amount of Star
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: Wars-iness to this, but in a good way. I know
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: that would almost be a backhanded compliment for most people now,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, no, like in the Mandalorian way of
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: him hanging out with a sidekick, getting into adventures, and
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get out of it.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what we're dealing with here. It's like
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: he's still being sort of himself, and he's following his ways,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: but he's... got this new character with him that's kind
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: of like changing the way he deals with things and
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: how do they get out of these crazy adventures and
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: like that's pretty much everything going on in badlands.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 8: It's so it's so funny that you go from the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: machismo of part one to this one where it's like
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 8: basically teaching the predator to be a kinder more sensitive predator.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing. Like I, as we get into
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: their culture, like not to cross our universes, but I'm like,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: these are just like hardcore Klingons. Yeah. Cause they have
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: a very Klingon as much as we've learned so much
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: about the Klingon lifestyle through all the crazy Trek stuff
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: that like, their way of looking at things. And it's
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: all about battle and honor. And like this, if you
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: add the hunt aspect into that, it's just a hundred
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: percent like living the Klingon lifestyle, only a little more hardcore.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: But because at this point they just off people, you know,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: like you're the runt of the litter, you need to die.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Like everything is like taken to the extreme because you know,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: it's so like alien machismo.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: What, what, what this movie is just, If we're just
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 8: going to... There's all this stuff. Use it. There's like...
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 8: There's like... This movie kept earning its.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 8: Every time I thought it was about to go south,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: it earned its place to keep my attention. Like the
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: little cute little monkey thing.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: I have... I hate.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: Cute little CG monkeys.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: And it just like, like lost.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: In space is a good movie.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 8: The double one, two punch of Jumanji and, uh, and
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: lost in space. You just go like, it's just like
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 8: never worked, you know? And, uh, it's just something I've
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 8: always hated. And so when the cute little space monkey
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 8: CG creature shows up, I'm going like, Oh my gosh,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 8: this movie is about to take a dump. and uh
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 8: but it kept it around it kept it it gave
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 8: him like a reason to be there and you know just.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: Like by the end yeah yeah yeah yeah.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 8: Absolutely the movie just it you don't care and and
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: after you know what feels like eight movies of just
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 8: you know macho posturing you know uh ellie fenning's uh
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 8: character is like just so like happy and interesting and
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 8: curious and scientific and you know, a fun character to
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: be around. And, uh, you know, it gave, gave like
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 8: a contrast to, you know, the posturing of the predator character.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 8: So there was like, you know, yin and yang going on,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 8: you know, and then they had their happy little dog
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: with them. So it was just like, it was like, ah, man,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 8: this is, this is good. This movie has contrast where
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 8: like the Rodriguez one has no contrast. It's all, you know, and, uh,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 8: And so there's contrasts. But what I liked about this
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: movie most was just the mirroring of the Predator's life
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: and the mirroring of the robot's life where both of
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 8: them have these tyrannical parental figures and the movie being about, hey,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 8: at a certain point you've got to decide what life
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 8: is best for you, you know?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Who do you want to be?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 8: Who do you want to be?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: You've been assigned what you're supposed to be up until
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: this point, your whole life. That's right. And now you're
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: roaming around the Badlands, and you can kind of decide
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: what you want to do and who you want to be.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, absolutely. So choosing your own identity, choosing your own adventure,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 8: and going against the weight... Of the society that you
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 8: were raised in. I thought that was such a good message.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 8: Like the real thing of becoming... The real, you know,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: trial by fire. The real hunt. The real earning your
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 8: place in society. Is the point where you say like...
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 8: I need to do what's best for the way I'm configured.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 8: You know? Because I'm not going to be... I'm not
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 8: configured the way... maybe the society that raised me wants
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 8: me to be. So I've got to find how I
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 8: can best contribute to society with what tools I was given,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 8: not with what, you know, they want me to be,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 8: you know? And so I think that's such an important
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 8: thing to tell. It's like a good story to tell.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 8: That's a good story to tell.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Wow. Who would think to make a movie out of
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: a good story? That is the thing.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 8: The movie has a reason to be here. That it's
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: going to tell this story that has a little bit
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: of meat to it. And it's not just predator imagery.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 8: You know, because this movie could have been so boring
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 8: had it just been like a Chronicles of Riddick type,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: you know, or Riddick, you know, walking through a planet.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 8: Now he fights a plant. Now he fights a monster.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: All the depth of Riddick.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. It could have just been a travel log.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: All the puddle depth of Riddick.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could have just been like, you know,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: a safari kind of like, oh, this happens and this happens.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: But this really had the feeling of like it was
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 8: going somewhere.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: I think even more than that, there is definitely a
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: finding your own way, finding who you are. But I
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: think equally as much like it like. Thea makes the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: mission statement of the movie at one point, and, like,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: it really hit, like, me being in the weird mental
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: state that I am in my life, in life as
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: a whole. But I'm like, she specifically, you know, Dex
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: says to her, like, you need to learn to survive
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: on your own. And she says, I can't survive on
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: my own. But who would want to survive on their own?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: Right, right, right.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: And, like, she says that out loud, and it just...
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: It hits at that point. You're like, you're watching him
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: do nothing, but try to be Mr. Badass solo action.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: And like the whole point of this is more of like, no, you,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: you build a community. Like you find who it is
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: you want to be with. You create your own family.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: If your family sucks, which yours, your dad certainly did.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Your brother seemed cool. That didn't last long. So, you know, you,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: you are outcast from this family and your clan and
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: everybody that was supposed to be your community, uh, You
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: can go out in the world and find your own family,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: create your own community. And like, you don't have to
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: be solo, Mr. Badass doing, you know, again, it's so
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: going against the macho machismo bullshit. Like she's like, no,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: like create your own family. You are leader of your
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: own pack. If you bother to go find your pack.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: And like, there's so much of that that comes into
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: play later that I'm just like, wow. Once again, like this,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: has something to say, it has something to build your
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: characters around, which is so unusual for a movie, let
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: alone a movie that's a big crazy action movie that's
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: also a lot of fun. So the fact that it
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: does all of these things at the same time is
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: kind of amazing.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 8: What's so funny is this movie is saying that the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 8: Predator's greatest adversary is is toxic masculinity. Exactly.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: Coming from where the first movie brought us. And everything
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: that's come in between.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Now it's finally like, ah, God, no wonder you guys
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: are going nowhere with this franchise.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 8: Take a chill pill. learn this because it's okay to
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 8: like have a dog and you know friends and you
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 8: don't have to be that's what was so good it
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 8: was such an anecdote from all the chest thumping of
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: the last 20 movies they're saying like look civilization did
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 8: not you know advance because of the lone wolf or
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 8: you know When they even talk about wolves, like Alpha,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 8: I mean, it was just so, it was so, it's
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 8: about cooperation and building a society and interconnected, you know,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 8: interconnective relationships, interpersonal relationships that connect and make a society strong,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: It gives you a reason to be what you are
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: and who you are.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 7: Otherwise, if you're just off by yourself, who knows.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: What you are? Who cares what you are? You're just
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: some idiot roaming the wasteland.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 8: That's right.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: If you have other people there to build your life around,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: then it's worth having a life. Sure, sure.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's deep.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 8: It's deep. It gets into some pretty interesting places. And
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 8: I just liked even the evil character. Who's the evil robot?
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Not the monster?
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, not the monster, the evil robot.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: I thought that was just, oh, I was going with dad.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 8: It was like dad sucks.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: But no, the other version of her is Tessa.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 8: Tessa, right. So Tessa was a really cool, you know,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 8: just like going like, oh, I've got the thing of
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 8: like a robot, you know. I like this whole thing
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 8: because with AI coming up and everything, you know, it's
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 8: just like these robots. these stories of artificial intelligent robots,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 8: I enjoy them a lot, you know, and with, like,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 8: her being given a task by, well, I mean, it
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 8: just feels like, you know, kind of like your job,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 8: you know, it's like you're given a task by this,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 8: you know, bottom line driven force, you know, and you're.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: So, you're.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: Your purpose is to appease this thing.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 8: And so it's just like, it's really interesting. It's like in,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: because mother is a direct, you know, an AI creature,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 8: you know, blow, you know, dictating and being tyrannical over
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 8: another AI artificial creature. And, and the, but you see
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 8: Tessa's like stress and, and what she has to become
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 8: to appease this thing. It's like, what the society makes
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 8: you become to fit in and to appease its whims,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: you know? So, kid predator or teenage predator has to
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 8: mold himself and change himself to appease the authority. And
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 8: this even, you know, and Tess has to do the
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 8: same thing, you know? And so they're both kind of
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 8: the same they're they're two sides of the same coin
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 8: which is a really interesting way uh you know it's
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: it's got more going on than what a predator movie
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 8: you would think would.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: Have certainly before dan got involved well especially because she's
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: she's opposite of him but then you have thea as
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: like this yeah part of the triangle here that's like
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: So different. And, like, so different from even what she
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: realizes is her sister. And, like, she, like, sort of
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: lovingly refers to her as her sister. And, like, that,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: I think, became the more interesting thing to me after
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: the movie was over. Like, I'm going on with my day,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm still thinking about it. I'm like, okay, so
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: we have, you know, your Tessa, who's like... almost going
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: back to old school Hal of like, hey, look, I'm
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: just doing what I need to do to keep this
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: job going. I've got my mission I've been stated. I
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: have to protect myself and my own interests, but I
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: don't care about anybody else. I'm doing the job that
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: was given to me. So it's like it's very like
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: following my orders, even if it means taking out humans,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: taking out whoever's in my way. I have to follow
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: my mission.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: And then you get to Thea.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Who is 100% different. And so that was, I was like,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: what is it that makes her, like what piece of
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: humanity is locked in her that's different from all the
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: other synthetic creatures in this universe? It's like, why does
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: she have so much humanity? And so much like curiosity
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: and like, and wanting to connect with other creatures that
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: like we don't get from the other synths. Like Bishop
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: is our best thing in this, you know, cause it
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: is a shared universe now. So it's like, he's kind
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: of the closest we had to like a synth that
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: was never like taking care of his own interests. He
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: was more concerned about serving humans and keeping them safe.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: And like, so it's interesting because every other example we've
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: seen has been The opposite. You know, you've got your
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: Ian Holm and you've got Alexis David or whoever from
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: The Last Aliens. And like, they're always like going out
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: of their way to screw over humanity because that's what
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: they do. Like that is what's built into their programming
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: and their following mother or some human in charge of
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: the program. And everybody is just like, you know. the
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: least important people are, you know, expendable. So don't worry
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: about them. And like, what is it about Thea that's different?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: What is it about her programming essentially that makes her
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: so different from every other synth that we've seen? Right, right.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, I guess they said like, why did
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 8: they give us emotion so we can connect or understand
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 8: the creatures of the planet? So maybe she just had
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 8: a different, you.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Know, extra chip.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 8: Got an extra chip.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Doubled up on emotions.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. They maybe, like, you know, because all the,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: you know, soldier ones, you know, the security detail, you know,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: they're all completely identical and, you know.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 10: And lame.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 8: And lame, yeah, yeah, yeah. All got the same haircut,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 8: you know. And so they all have the same chip,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 8: you know. And so maybe different AI, different robots have
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 8: different purposes, so therefore they have different, you know, configurations,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Or if it's actually, like, real AI, like, it's supposed
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: to be learning as it goes. So maybe... But again,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: it's like she started off the same as Tessa. So
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: Tessa just went down this cut-and-dry version of what she's
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: supposed to be doing for the company. Yeah. And then, like, Ella,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: you know, takes Thea off in this other direction. And, like, she,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: I guess, has... like adventures on her own. Like it's weird.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: We don't know how much time she's been around or
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: how much she's been separate from Tessa enough to create this. Like,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: was it just this one adventure or had they been
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: on other things? Like she'd been on the planet long
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: enough to know other predators have been there and learn
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: the language. And she, she knew a lot about the planet.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: So she'd at least been around that planet a while,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: but we don't really know what the story was before that.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: So it is weird. interesting that, like, she, somewhere along
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: the way, started, like, developing as an AI creature, and, like, started, like,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: expanding what it was, not only that she knew, but
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: the fact that they had emotions, she started expanding that
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: as well, which Tessa obviously didn't do, but, like, she's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: attaching herself to these biological creatures, because she knows so
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: much about biology, but then you add in the emotion
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: part of it, and, like, she starts to care about
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: these creatures which again is it normally how it goes
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: with synths.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 8: So that's sort of like maybe also just works into
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 8: the theme of the movie of like you know Tessa
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 8: got the good one got separated out from the control
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 8: thea got separated out from the the control of the
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: authority you know and then had the space to start
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: making her own connections you know.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Making her own decision of who do i want to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: be like back to our theme of yeah who do
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: i want to be do i want to be what
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: the corporation tells me to be and to follow orders
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: or do i want to branch out and meet new
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: characters and be part of this community and like do
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: other things and like again that sort of goes against
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: the robotic thing that is presented as what they should
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: be but like screw that like that's the whole point
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: of this movie is like yeah I don't have to
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: do that I don't have to be that I can
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: do whatever I choose to that's my point like so
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that they're all kind of going through a
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: version of this is pretty cool.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah yeah but you don't have that voice telling you
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 8: that telling you what you are all the time and
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: you you she was like been able to be stuck
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 8: in a vulture's nest for two weeks you know she
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 8: was you know it probably started a long time before
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: that but you know two weeks to think and start
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: making your own connections and not having that you know
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 8: uh voice in the back of your head telling you
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: what you are you know you're able to evolve you
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 8: know and that's what happens with the you know it
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 8: was so nice having character arcs in a Predator movie. So,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 8: you know, everybody learns a little something about themselves. And so,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 8: you know, I know that's like lame to have that.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 8: You want that in a movie. I'm thinking of the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: movie Adapt. adaptation you know you know we're like and
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 8: I don't want to make a movie where they go
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 8: through stuff and they learn stuff about themselves but.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 13: It was nice to have because I think people feel
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 13: that way I mean I think that people feel like
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 13: oh I went through this stuff and now I feel
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 13: this way about things so I've changed as a human
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 13: you know and.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 8: So it feels true when you see a movie that
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 8: has that you know well.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: And watching our predator go through that because he's so
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: cut and dry and so set in his ways at
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: the beginning and she keeps saying this stuff to him
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: and usually he sort of shrugs it off for the
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: first half and then like midway in you get that
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: change of like him watching these changes take place in
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: front of him he's like oh i actually care about
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: this not it's like he's realizing in in real time
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: he's like whoa wait I'm supposed to be doing this,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: but I actually care about this over here. And like,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make this decision and decide to do,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: you know, decide to go my own way and, and
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: still get to where I need to go. By the
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: time we get to the end, like he is the
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: hunter he needs to be. He is the leader that
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: he needs to be and proves it to his dad
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: and like proves that like my way still got me
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: where I needed to be and And I'm better because
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: of it, which again, shouldn't be in a movie like this, really. Yeah,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 8: It's so much, you're getting, you thought you were going
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 8: in and getting, I might get a nice, I might
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 8: get a familiar passable cheeseburger, you know? And then you
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 8: end up getting something, you know, it's maybe still a cheeseburger,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 8: but it's a damn good cheeseburger. And I go like,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 8: oh man, I want to come back. And have this
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: guy make me another cheeseburger because that was so much
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 8: better than I thought it was going to be.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Like it never backs off of the entertainment as well
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: like you get big giant like there's when he gets
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: to the planet there's an extended period there where I'm
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: like this is just crazy action like one thing to
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: the next to the next and he's fighting the tree
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: and he's fighting this creature and he's like and then
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: it gets into like goriness and like you're watching him
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: just slice into the giant monster and behead this creature
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm like it is still delivering.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: The 12-year-old is still going, kick ass, did you see that?
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: He just chopped that creature's head off. It still works
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: on that level, but then it backs it up with
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: an actual story and character development. It's crazy.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 8: It's crazy.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 8: And that just makes the action... feel like something like, yeah,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 8: you're on the journey with this thing.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 8: It felt like, uh, King Kong, you know, it felt like,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: Oh man, he landed on King Kong planet with like,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: you know, just like everything there's out to kill you,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: you know? And, um, and yeah, I really like the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 8: weird biology of the planet and razor glass and having
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 8: razor grass and, and just the weird, all the weird,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 8: I love it when the designers can come up with
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 8: like new monsters and new plants and new this, and
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: they had the budget to like actually actualize it and
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 8: make it look like a, uh, another planet and not like,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: you know, Rodriguez's backyard. It was like, it looked like,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 8: it looked like something. Uh, yeah. Well, one thing I,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 8: my thought was going through the, was like, like, uh,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 8: I was watching this going like, this is so damn
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 8: entertaining that this might be... And I had this glimmer
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 8: of hope where maybe, because now movies have to compete
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: with people staying home and watching everything that has ever
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 8: been made on the streaming services, or... video games or
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 8: social media or this or that there's like there's or
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 8: like there's like so many reasons why not to go
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 8: to a movie you know filmmakers need to realize that
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 8: they gotta up their game if they want people to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: come out all right and they're gonna have to like
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 8: up their game and something like this where it makes
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 8: it worth going to see it in the theater you
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 8: know and uh so it kind of gave me hope
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: because going like okay you've got 90 minutes to tell
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: a kick-ass story with a beginning, middle, and end. And
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: you've got to give them production value. And you've got
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 8: to give them a full experience. And you've got to
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 8: give them the sound. And you've got to give them everything.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 8: You can't just show like Predator versus Alien and have
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 8: them fight a few times. And that's just not going
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 8: to cut it anymore. Because people aren't going to go
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 8: out just to see that. You've actually got to give
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 8: them the story first. and the acting, and the likable characters,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 8: and the drama, and the conflict, and the spectacle, and
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: the sound, and the this, and the that. You've got
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 8: to give it all. And it's got to be self-contained
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 8: enough where you don't feel like the Marvel thing, where
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 8: if you didn't watch the 20 other movies, you're not
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 8: going to know what's going on.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Even the three that he's done, they're self-contained enough that
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: you can enter into Prey, or you could come into
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: this one having not seen anything else. And even the
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: last I actually thought when we get to that, because
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: there's a portion within the the animated one where there's
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: a ship. And like by the end, I thought the
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: ship was I was like, oh, is he crossing over? Like,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: are we going to get live action characters and people
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: from the animated like that? But I don't think that's
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: where he's going. But he also has the freedom to do. Like,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: he's telling a story in this giant universe, and he's
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: got several different stories kind of going at once here.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: So if he wants to bring in... But again, he's so...
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: He's so conscious of what's going on, I think even
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: he knows, like, you don't want to embed it so
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: much that you can't just come into this movie and
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: enjoy it on its own.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 8: That's the point.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: But he knows he's dealing with a bigger thing, because
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: that's also why he worked in, like, the touches of
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: Alien without being Alien vs. Predator. I think he even
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: said it was, you know, it was cooler that we
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: just take, you know, Weyland-Yutani and, like, we make them
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: the real big bad behind everything.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: And we take the synths, but we're not taking, like,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: we didn't work Lance Hendrickson in again. Because how many
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: times have we seen him come back into a movie
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: in that Alien franchise? Even though he should be long dead,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: he keeps popping up in movies over and over again.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: So it's like we didn't work that in. We gave
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: us a whole new version of the synth to deal with.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: And then even so much so is, like, again, the
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: inside joke just for geeks, the fact that we get the, like,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: power loader fight at the end, only it's the massively
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: bigger giant robotic version of this now versus another big
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: monster fight. Like, it's just, we get a little touch
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: of the, you know, the alien crossover world, but without...
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: But even then, he's like, I don't want it just
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: being jamming your toys together. It doesn't need to be
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: Alien vs. Predator. Here we go. Which is what we
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: tried to do with two movies years ago. And he's like,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't want that. He's like, I want touches of it.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: I want it to be a larger universe. But you
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: don't have to hit people over the head with it.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: It can just be adding this stuff in to kind
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: of enrich the whole thing.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 7: But it's still self-contained enough to be its own movie.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 8: No, it felt real organic. And it was nice if
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: you've seen Aliens to kind of get the reference, you know,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 8: but it was like, I think if you came in
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: as a 13-year-old and saw that, it wouldn't feel like, what?
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 8: Where's that coming from? It would feel very organic to
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 8: the story. And I got to tell you, this is
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 8: probably the first movie in a long time where I
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 8: felt the geeking out enjoyment of it. You know, where,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 8: not just, that was in the Aliens power loader, I
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 8: was just, like, so invested in the movie by the time,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 8: you know, Giant Robot versus giant monster and a alien
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: planet for some reason i got real you know 13
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: you know kid giddiness about what was going on on
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 8: screen where i was i was taken away. And I
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 8: was like, that is just some big, awesome science fiction, uh,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: spectacle that I really enjoyed.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Without it like devolving to the silliness of the predator,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: which don't get me wrong.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 8: It's fun.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: But like that, when you feel like the 12 year old,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: like you don't feel like there's anything else going on
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: where this gives you the excitement of that 12 year old, uh,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: But you're also like, you brought your brain with you too.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: And you're like, Oh, but we're telling a bigger story
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: and we've got sort of a grand take on things.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: And like, we're looking at like people making decisions about
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: their life that like, you're not going to get in
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: a silly action movie for 12 year olds. So this like.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 7: Somehow melds them both into one thing.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: And like, it works both ways. It's, it's impressive that
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: this works the way it does.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 8: This movie could have been so boring. Yeah.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, just, again, from the writing and directing standpoint. Yeah. And, again,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: I think what takes it up several notches is the acting. Like,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: Elle Fanning, like, sold so much of this movie.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: And, like, it'd be different. Like, Thea's just so likable
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: that you love that. But the fact that she's also
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: the villain. Like, she also is Tessa and gets to
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: turn up and be, you know, be... the evil badass,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: you know, that's ready to kill everyone. So it's like
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: the fact that she does both of those, it's impressive.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: And then not to undercut Demetrius is the guy playing deck.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: And like, he's as much as, you know, he's buried
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: behind either physical makeup or CG coverage. I don't know
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: how much they are with each of them, but yeah, exactly.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: I don't care because so much of this character comes
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: through in a guy that looks like a predator and,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't speak English, and yet we still are so attached
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: to this guy. And we see him going through this
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: journey and kind of growing as a creature, as a person,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: but he's not a human.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 7: So, like, you see him as a character.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: Become better and more enriched as a character to watch. And, like,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: you don't normally get that from somebody, you know, encased
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: in makeup or covered in CG green screen action. Absolutely not.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: So the fact that we still are really kind of
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: invested in him as much as, as Elle Fanning's performances,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: that like it's, it says a lot about him as
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: an actor as well. So both of those two lead performances,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: I think take this up several notches. Absolutely.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 8: It's, it's all, unfortunately, unfortunately for movies, it comes down
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 8: to story and character. And it's like the oldest thing
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 8: to say. It's like the actors that you have, the
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 8: characters they're portraying, and the story that they're going through
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 8: is like what the freaking movies are about. And so often,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 8: you know, it's just about, you know, pre-frozen elements that
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 8: they think they can show and that's the movie but
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 8: they they they forget the most important part you know
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 8: they can do like great predator armor and great props
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 8: and great this and great that but if the story
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 8: isn't compelling all that is just so empty and it's
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 8: just kind of like staring into a lamp after a
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 8: minute you know yeah.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of sci-fi stuff and crazy action movies,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: and there's so many now that I'm just like, eh,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: it was fine.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: I'll watch it, and even if the action part of
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: it works, it's still hollow, and there's not much to it.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: Where this one, I felt so happy by the time
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: we got to the end. I was so enriched by
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: these three characters by the end there. Right. And I
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: kind of like, not to, it is interesting that the
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: cute character worked. Like, the cute thing at the beginning,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: because you don't get that in Predator movies. We don't
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: have a, again, that's a very modern era Star Wars,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: definitely Mandalorian, of like, here's my cute sidekick, and like,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: every time you cut to him, you're like, aw, look
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: how cute he is.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 7: And like, it seems like that wouldn't work in a
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 7: Predator movie.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: But we introduced Bud, and like, he's still so damn likable. Right.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: And is like, so like, attached to our main character
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: that starts mimicking him and you're like all right you
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: have to like this guy look at him and like
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: yeah her actually so you you know you you like
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: the character and then as it goes on and you
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: see what she becomes like that is important as well
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: But even my other favorite thing is once he, like,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: loses most of his high-powered fancy weaponry, and by the
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: end battle has to resort to, like, the natural elements.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: So he starts using, like, the killer tree to, like,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: attack them. And then the thing that whatever the creature
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: is that he wears on his shoulder that starts spitting
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: acid at everybody... is also adorable. And, like, somehow, this
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: little slug-looking thing that spits acid is adorable, and you're
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: really upset when it's not part of the team anymore.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, when it's, like, all burnt, like a piece of chicken,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 8: and you go like, aw.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: It's so sad.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 7: I was like, because it sacrifices itself to.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: Save our lead. And, like, That's amazing. Like, in a
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: few minutes of him being introduced in, and, again, it's.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 7: A slug that spits acid.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But somehow I was like, oh, man. Like, it
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: was the fact that it sacrificed itself to save our character.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: It was important. Yeah. It, like, shouldn't have been in
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: this type of movie. Absolutely. Yet it was. Yeah.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, like, the, yeah, it's like Beastmaster, right?
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: Ah, Poto. Yeah.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 8: No, it's great. I love the fact that he gets
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 8: biological equivalents of the old Predator stuff.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: That's so cool. And again, so different.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 7: All we've had is them so reliant on technology.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 8: I'm just recycling the same thing over and over again.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: Which is an interesting little tidbit, because I've heard people
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: mention that before, that it... This whole story, this whole
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: adventure shouldn't work because he wants to be Mr. Solo dude.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: But Thea is smart enough that she knows their ways
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: and is like, oh, I'm a tool. So it's okay.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: You love your gadgets. You love your tools. So you
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: can use me. Even though she's kind of using him.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: But she knows how to kind of work his tools.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: his old timey ways and his like traditions and the
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: way that they think as their species and like their society.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: So that was a cool little touch that like, this
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have worked. He should have just thrown her aside
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: and be like, Nope, I'm on my own. That's how
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: real warrior does things. And like, but she like played
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: him enough to be like, no, I'm just a tool.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm a piece of machinery for you.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: Right. So the fact that then later he'd like strips
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: all the machinery and like is fighting with sticks and,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: creatures he just is back to like the natural.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 14: World yeah yeah i think the movie is like kind
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 14: of it goes into the theme of cooperation you know
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 14: of like uh of like using you know of developing
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 14: a community and working together with a.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 8: Community to to fight you know to to achieve a
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 8: better goal you know to do something noble you know
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 8: um yeah uh uh It was cool.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: It's awesome. And the more I've thought about it, at
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: the time I left and I was like, that was
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: cool and I really liked these characters and I was
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: just kind of happy to see it come together in
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: sort of a non-traditionally happy ending that I didn't expect.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: But again, when the trio comes back together, trio pun intended,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: I suppose. Uh-huh.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 7: Comes back together at the end there.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: And, like, we take out our original bad guy. And, like,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: we see him, like, just hanging out together. And, like,
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: they're this new badass team. And I'm like, I love that. And, like,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: now I just want to follow these three around on
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: adventures for every other movie that is made ever again.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: I just want to hang out with these three and
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: see what they get into next. And luckily we kind
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: of get to do that, I'm assuming. Because we definitely
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: left it.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: And answered a question as I was going through before
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: I got to this movie, and I'm re-watching the other
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: Predator movies, and I'm like... question I asked myself the
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: day before was, we've never seen a female predator, have we?
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: We've seen so many predators and so many variations of
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: monsters created for or by or that hang out with them.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: We've seen all these other creatures, but as far as
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: we know, every predator we've seen has been male and
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: very masculine so i'm like what the hell is the
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: mom like so we get a fact that yes there
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: is a female predator out there and now we're going
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: to be introduced to one so it would seem so
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: the fact that we've got that tease at the end
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: there is like oh i just asked that question what
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: the hell are the female predators like if these are
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: the guys like what what's the other end of this
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: deal right so i guess we're assuming this is done
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: relatively well financially I'm guessing we're going to get that
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: uh question answered in the next movie.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: There's gonna be bigger and gnarlier and you know like
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: praying manas you know like how often in the animal
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 4: kingdom the female is like much bigger and you know
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: uh aggressive in a way.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: You know that's what i was gonna say like are
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: they the more hardcore.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 8: Ones yeah right like Like, these are, the guys are
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 8: just trying to keep up with, to be worthy mates.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: Guys are like, I gotta go do this or my
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: wife's gonna beat my ass. It's just domestic abuse through
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: all the predator households.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 8: That's it.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 7: And that's why the men are all such assholes.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: It's because they've just been beaten down by the females
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: of the species, which makes things even worse, actually. Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: you want to blame it on machismo, but now the
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: women are just going to show up and be even scarier.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 7: These predators, they got issues, man. Our guy is the
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 7: only good one so far.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 8: Well, I think, yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 8: Dax or whatever, like, riding around on the back of
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 8: the monkey and, you know, like Battle Cat and, you know,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 8: throwing a spear or something, you know, and I'm down
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 8: with that.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he got into this and he said
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: he had, when Prey got really well received, he had
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: like three more ideas. And one was Killer of Killers.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: One was the movie we just watched. And there was
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: a third one that he's now working on. So he's
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: supposed to be bringing us the next Predator movie. I'm
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: assuming that's just a direct follow-up to this. I am
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: interested because, again, Killer of Killers leaves the door very
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: open at the end, too. So I'm like, is that
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: story also going to come into play? Or is they
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: just going to, somewhere down the line, do another animated
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: movie that's separate? But yeah, he seems like he's got...
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: a lot more plates spinning in the predator world. And
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, thank God because I don't want it to
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: go to anyone else. He's so good at this. Yeah.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: Just yeah.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 7: Keep, keep letting him make good stuff.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 8: He had an idea. He had an idea other than,
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 8: Predator stabs a guy in the face.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm also, again, he made a great movie to
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: begin with. We've seen him do a little more work
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: on TV over the years, but now he's just been
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: immersed in the Predator world for so long. I kind
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: of want to see what else he does outside of that. Sure.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 7: There's only one other thing that's supposedly.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: In the works. Have you heard what else he's working on?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: Mm-mm.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: Nope. So, he's also, in addition to this next Predator movie,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: working on a TV series adaptation of Waterworld.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 7: Dan, I have so much faith in you.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: Can he save the Waterworld concept? Can someone make something
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: useful out of Waterworld?
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, look, dude. I'm kind of mad at
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 8: him for getting distracted by Waterworld.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: You can't complete thoughts because Waterworld took over your brain.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't... No, I'm sorry. I'm mad at him
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 8: for getting... distracted by water world well.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: But at the same time i mean i might have
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: questioned him taking on predator as a concept as well
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: and yet somehow he's knocked out three solid stories so
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: i'm like i mean there's a there's an essence of
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: something interesting in water world at the If someone can
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: do something interesting and maybe impressive with the concept, Dan
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: Trachtenberg may be the man.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, look, I love Mad Max stuff, all right?
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 8: So Mad Max on jet skis was a good one-time watch, okay?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, yeah. Well, here's the thing. If
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 8: he's got a... angle on it if he's got a
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 8: story he can tell in the water world world you
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 8: know water world world and uh and it's not just
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 8: you know uh whatever the hell that was uh you know.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 7: Just as the water world stunt show.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 8: That's it.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: Cause I was like, I've heard amazing reviews. Like people
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: have been like, yeah, water world's crap. But if you
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: ever went to.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 7: The theme park and saw the stunt show, it's amazing.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: So like, maybe you just saw that as a kid
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: and went, okay, I can do something with this.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: I can take this stunt show. He's like, never seen
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: the movie. He just saw the stunt show. I can
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: do something with it.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, look, he's, He's definitely the best hope Waterworld
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 8: has ever had.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: Most definitely. The only other thing that was amazing that
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: was ever connected to Waterworld was Dennis Hopper. Man, I
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: could not have been more bored by Kevin Costner in
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: a movie.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 7: And he's been boring in several movies over the years.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: But no offense, he can turn in a good performance,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: but he can also be the most boring man on
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: the planet.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 7: What a World is a good example.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: But to counterbalance that with crazy, over-the-top, scenery-chewing, one-eyed, bald-headed
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: Dennis Hopper was amazing.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 8: It's not the worst movie ever made. Because of Dennis Hopper.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 8: Because of Dennis Hopper. I agree.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 7: He's so good in that.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: Again, as ridiculous, as over-the-top as you can be. And
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: he's just awesome and hilarious and crazy and... Yeah, it
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: was the reason I saw that. Again, I had to
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: play it in the background, but I would put it
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: in to hear Dennis Hopper say his crazy shit. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 7: His big speech.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 8: And I would just hear it.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: All the time, and I'd be like, ah, that guy.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: I love that guy. Crazy bastard that he was.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 8: Right, right.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: He's so good in that movie. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 8: But the bad guys in Mad Max movies are always
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 8: very entertaining, you know, and that's, that's basically what this was.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: So there's not enough 11 to dial it up to.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: You're the bad guy in the post-apocalyptic movie.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 8: That's it. That's it. The sky's the limit, you know? Uh, yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 8: Well, no, I'm, I'm, I'm down with it. You know, we'll,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 8: we'll see, you know, it's, uh, He's definitely good at
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 8: breathing some life into some franchises that definitely need it.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 8: Maybe that's what he needs. Maybe he needs that structure
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 8: to fight against. Sometimes when these guys go off on
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 8: their own and do their passion project, then you go like, oh, no.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: But the fact that I'm assuming Predator was his passion project,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: you know, he could have done whatever coming off of, like,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: Cloverfield World was tons of money, so I'm assuming he
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: at least had a mid-budget movie he could have made
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: after that, and, like, he took on Prey when he
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: could have done whatever, so... Again, it feels like he's
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: got a good sense of what he wants to accomplish,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: even if it's weird and unconventional. Waterworld is weird and unconventional,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: so if anybody can pull it off, Dan is the man.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely. I don't envy him, though. The production horrors.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: Of the Oh, yeah.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 8: The original was.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: Don't shoot on water is like the basic, you know,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: stay away from kids, animals, and shooting on water. Those
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: are the rules of making anything.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's not the best plan, but, you know,
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: he seems to like a challenge, so.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, dude. Yeah. Totally, dude. Totally.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah. So, in summary, in summary, there's Predator....
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: And then there's Dan Trachtenberg.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 8: Dan Trachtenberg, after several floundering additions. You know, we finally,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 8: after what, how long ago was Predator? Almost, what, almost
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 8: 30 years ago?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: 87.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, geez. Oh my gosh, almost 40 years ago?
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: It's been a long run. It took a while to
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: get back to being impressive again. Right.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 8: Space Hunter... It took a while to get the Space
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 8: Hunter formula right. Figure out what these movies were.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: Just a few misfires along the way.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, so, yeah. I was so
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 8: glad I saw it in the theater.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: It made it better, just being immersed in all that,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: because it's a crazy landscape. It is the Badlands. So
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: to be in the theater and have that sort of
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: up and around you and immersed in the sound and
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: all of it, it's definitely worth seeing in the theater.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: Cool. Cool.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 8: So yeah.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 8: Check it out.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: I liked it so much more than... Well, again, I
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: came in knowing he was involved. So I did already
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: have my bar set a little higher because it was involved.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: But if you would have told me years ago that
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: I was going to enjoy a Predator movie this much,
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: I would have been like, are you... Are you sure?
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: Are we talking about the same predator? Yeah. This isn't
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: like the ketchup predator, because those aren't funny either. Like,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Right, right. What are you
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: selling me? So the fact that it somehow came around
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: to this and Dan made it work, like, more power
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: to you, man.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 7: This is impressive.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it felt like a movie, not like a movie.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 8: a placeholder, you know?
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 7: Not a save the IP.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: It actually had something to say, a story to tell
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: characters to bring us like, yeah, it's impressive.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: Cool. Cool. We went on quite a predator journey there. So, um, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 7: Do you have anything to say to wrap up.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: Your entire run here?
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 7: Or any parting words of wisdom to anyone?
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. No, I don't. I mean, they should see it,
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 8: but I'm about to go completely nonverbal here.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: This is the most talking we've done in months.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: It's been a while.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 7: Since we were on one of these, actually.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I realize that's the only time I talk
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: to humans is on the show. Absolutely. And yours are
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: always the most extended of conversations.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 8: That was maybe a little more precious. It was a
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 8: little ambitious.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: It's the only time I have these kind of conversations.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was a little ambitious to go over all...
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 8: I tried to hit all the Predator movies, but that
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 8: was a lot.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that I knew we were
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: going to go as in-depth as we did, but yet
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: I kind of did because I knew it was both
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: of us.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it kind of needed to happen. It kind of
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 8: needed to... It was like.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 8: If you ever had anything you wanted to say about
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 8: a Predator movie, this was your opportunity, so.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that you can't, again, you probably
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: should jump from the first one to these last three,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: but like you kind of can't without experiencing at least
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: a wrap up of all the weird missteps along the
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: way and attempting something.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 7: And it didn't work.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: And like, so yeah, it kind of brings it in
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: perspective and makes you appreciate these last three even more.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 7: It's about the journey.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 7: Take your pack and go on a journey.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 8: That's it. Grab your CG monkey and get out there.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: Get out for the ride.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 8: That's it. All right.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: And thank you for anyone out there that is hung
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: on for this crazy journey. And thanks for coming along
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: with us and being on this Badlands planet with us.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 8: That's right. That's right.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Thanks, y'all.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 6: Listen up now, I'm a leader. You don't want a
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 6: dad by the hand that feeds you. I ain't never
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 6: been scared of the wrath of my demons. I'm a
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 6: monster and I have your bitches screaming. Hands up, I
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 6: am designer. Built from the ground and my house, it
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 6: gets higher. Open up the door, everything I desire. Back
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 6: down now.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 15: I'm here to take what's mine.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: One, two, three, four, drop the smoke and hit your door. Five, six, seven, eight,
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: hold up, let me demonstrate. I'm wired, I'm hot, we're starting,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: can't stop, I come out, I'm talking.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: I'm the predator.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: I'm the predator.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm the predator.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 15: I come fresh with the army. Heard you got the gasoline,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 15: pour a little on me. I spit fire, I ain't
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 15: never been sorry. Belly of the beast, this is my
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 15: damn story. I always win hands down. Heavy is the
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 15: head that wears the crown. Handed down the play, but
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 15: I love the chase. R.I.P.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 6: To the one that gets brave. 1, 2, 3, 4,
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 6: triple snacking at your door. 5, 6, 7, 8, hold up,
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 6: let me demonstrate.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 3: I'm on it.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 8: I was going like, We are wasting so many more
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 8: words on AVP than needs to be said when we've
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 8: got this amazing movie to talk about here.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: Again, by comparison, that makes it so much better when
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: we get there.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 8: When we get there.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: Look at all these messed up things they did years ago,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: and then Dan comes in and just saves the franchise.
• 2:23:21
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