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She Designed for Billionaires But Her Best Tips Are Free: with Celebrity Designer Nour El Nasrani · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: about our episode today. What makes a room, an apartment,
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  Speaker 1: a house absolutely unforgettable. It's not the price tag, it's
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  Speaker 1: not the name brands, it's not even the size of
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  Speaker 1: the space. It's the soul. If you've been listening for
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  Speaker 1: a while, you've probably heard me quote my grandmother's famous line,
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  Speaker 1: collections are four museums. I was raised in a house
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  Speaker 1: that was anti stuff. My dad used to say, Danielle,
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  Speaker 1: if you buy things, then you have to buy things
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  Speaker 1: to take care of the things, and store the things
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  Speaker 1: and clean the things. He was anti things, and honestly,
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  Speaker 1: he's not wrong. Most of the time, stuff is just stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But this year I learned something new. After my apartment
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  Speaker 1: flooded in December and I had to move, I decided
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  Speaker 1: it was time to officially adult. For the first time ever,
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  Speaker 1: I bought furniture that wasn't from Facebook Marketplace because I
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  Speaker 1: wanted this place to actually feel like home. I had
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  Speaker 1: always I'd spent over a decade feeling transient. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know where I would live, if I would move to
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  Speaker 1: New York or Miami or Chicago, or what I would do, so,
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  Speaker 1: I just never invested in decorating my space, and I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I was on the go so much it
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  Speaker 1: didn't matter. But this time I wanted it to be different.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted this new place to actually feel like home,
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  Speaker 1: and I had a vision. I wanted it to feel
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  Speaker 1: like a one hotel. Now, if you've been to a
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  Speaker 1: one in any city, you know exactly what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Wood plants, calming sense. It's intentional and grounded and warm.
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  Speaker 1: But if you haven't been to a one hotel, go
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  Speaker 1: grab a coffee in the lobby. Sometime you'll get it,
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  Speaker 1: I promise. But I also knew enough that I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do it alone. I scoured the internet. I asked friends
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  Speaker 1: for referrals to designers. I even tried one of those
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  Speaker 1: online designer consultation platforms, but nothing felt quite right. I
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  Speaker 1: needed real help. And then one day I was scrolling
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and I found nor El Masrani. She's an interior
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  Speaker 1: designer based in Vegas, and I was instantly drawn in.
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  Speaker 1: Her work was clean, but not cold. It was thoughtful
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  Speaker 1: but not cluttered. So I cold emailed her. You guys know,
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  Speaker 1: I love a cold email. So much of my life
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  Speaker 1: has been because of a cold email, and then fast
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  Speaker 1: forward we decided to work together, and when I got
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  Speaker 1: to know Nor, I loved her even more. Her design
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  Speaker 1: philosophy is simple but powerful. Your space should tell your
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  Speaker 1: story done right. She feels designed should make you feel something, calm, energized, inspired.
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  Speaker 1: It should make you feel like yourself. And Nor didn't
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  Speaker 1: just build a business creating beautiful homes. She built a
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  Speaker 1: reputation for reading the room literally right, like from NFL
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  Speaker 1: owners to David Goggins. She's known for crafting these very soulful,
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  Speaker 1: elevated spaces that are both luxurious and livable. That's so important.
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  Speaker 1: Who wants a pretty couch that isn't comfortable to sit on? Right?
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  Speaker 1: So today Nor shares how to create a home that
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  Speaker 1: reflects you, what to splurge on, what to skip you know,
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  Speaker 1: I did this within a budget. She shares the trends
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  Speaker 1: that she loves, the ones she says are on their
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  Speaker 1: way out, and the biggest mistakes people make when designing
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  Speaker 1: their space. We also talked about how she transformed mine,
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  Speaker 1: but mostly I wanted you to have access to her
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  Speaker 1: brilliance because she was the first person who made this
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  Speaker 1: whole process feel easy and doable. So whether you're starting fresh,
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  Speaker 1: or you're thinking about refreshing a single room, or just
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  Speaker 1: craving a little inspo, or are thinking about it for
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  Speaker 1: the future, this episode will help you fill your space
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  Speaker 1: with meaning and intention and soul. So the question we're
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  Speaker 1: circling today is what does it really mean to give
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  Speaker 1: a space soul? It's time to question everything with Nora
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  Speaker 1: el Nasrani. Welcome to Question Everett. Thanks, thank you, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being here. You came all the way from Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here and I get to
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  Speaker 2: finally meet you in person.
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  Speaker 1: And redecorate our entire sets. So you redid you did
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  Speaker 1: my entire apartment. Yes, we're not done yet.
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  Speaker 3: We're not done yet. We're not done yet, but yes.
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  Speaker 1: But I was really excited for you to redo this
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  Speaker 1: set because we leave the chairs and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: the perfect person is coming in today.
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  Speaker 2: Little things, just moving things, and here the proportions just
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  Speaker 2: really help. Without even realizing it's such small changes that help.
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  Speaker 2: But it's beautiful anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that I understood better after
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  Speaker 1: working with you was the idea read the room. You
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  Speaker 1: know you hear that phrase like read the room and
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  Speaker 1: when you walk in here, what do you read?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I walk in here and I feel just like
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  Speaker 2: zen and comfortable. I feel like your set is so
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  Speaker 2: like like a chameleon. Like I feel like whoever you're
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  Speaker 2: hosting here will feel comfortable. And then also it lets
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  Speaker 2: the person shine. I feel like, so there's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot in the background that's like taking away from the person.
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  Speaker 3: So that's kind of how I feel. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: it's comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: That's so nice of you to say thanks. That was
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  Speaker 1: actually the goal because perfect. I think some sets are
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  Speaker 1: really fun to look at. Yes, but I noticed when
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching interviews, I'm looking at the background, yes, like
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  Speaker 1: what candy do they have?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm looking at the candy, the bubblegum
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  Speaker 2: and the little jar, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, instead of the person and my favorite profile pieces
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  Speaker 1: like writers I always say, are my rock stars and
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  Speaker 1: my favorite profile pieces when you really see the person, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so it's all like, yeah, so that's what I
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  Speaker 2: see first when I want it.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for saying great job. When did you realize you
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  Speaker 1: had an eye for design?
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  Speaker 2: So I've been into design for since I was little,
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  Speaker 2: So I grew up around my DA's an architect. My uncle,
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  Speaker 2: like all my uncles are either architects or into your designers.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in Lebanon, so I grew up around
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  Speaker 2: that a lot, and I was always into the arts.
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  Speaker 3: I was drawing.
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  Speaker 2: I was I did like an art show when I
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  Speaker 2: was ten, and I was like selling my art for
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  Speaker 2: like fifty dollars. I mean that was amazing when I
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  Speaker 2: was ten, you know, banking, but so I always liked that.
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  Speaker 2: My mom said, I was always just tearing papers and drawing.
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  Speaker 2: I was never like playing with other things. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so I knew I always knew I wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: a designer. And then we moved here and I went
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  Speaker 2: into design. I went to architecture school. Even though my
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  Speaker 2: dad was like, don't do it, doesn't pay well, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard work, but I did it. I mean he was
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  Speaker 2: very supportive, but you know what I mean, He's like,
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  Speaker 2: trust me, I know, but so I've just always loved it.
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  Speaker 2: And then once I started, once I learned the technical
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  Speaker 2: aspect because I didn't have that technical background, and then
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  Speaker 2: my actual like designs got to shine. And then I
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  Speaker 2: realized that people were really receptive to that. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like Yeah, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't know you went to architecture school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have my bachelor's degree and inter architecture.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the things that I'm very curious about
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  Speaker 1: is the business aspect of design, because you clearly have
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  Speaker 1: the eye, like you walked in here in two seconds
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  Speaker 1: and figured it out. But business is a whole different
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  Speaker 1: part of this. Yes, did you always have that piece
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  Speaker 1: to or was that sort of learned?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to say I've always had it,
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  Speaker 2: just I've always felt that entrepreneurial spirit that words always
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  Speaker 2: hard to say, but I've always felt that, Like I
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  Speaker 2: literally watched every episode of Shark thaying I'm like really
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  Speaker 2: into that. And I've always known, even just when I
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  Speaker 2: went to school, I knew I wanted to start a business,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew I had to work to get there,
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  Speaker 2: and I just always had the vision and the goal
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  Speaker 2: and I to get there.
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  Speaker 3: So the business, yes, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not every creative person's favorite part, dealing
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  Speaker 2: with all that kind of stuff, But it was nice
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  Speaker 2: that it didn't feel so challenging for me because I've
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  Speaker 2: always learned a lot about it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you start the business as soon as you graduated.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: Starting right after school is really tough because you haven't
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  Speaker 2: gotten the experience. And I did not want to fail
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  Speaker 2: right away. So I'm like, because that's kind of when
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  Speaker 2: you start. You can do it, and I've no people
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  Speaker 2: have done it, but it gives you more chances of
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  Speaker 2: you know, failing getting up, failing getting up. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do this this way. So I went
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  Speaker 2: and I worked for a firm out of college. I
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  Speaker 2: worked there for four years, worked my way up. I
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  Speaker 2: started as like a design assistant, and really quickly she
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  Speaker 2: was giving me senior level projects and I worked my
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  Speaker 2: butt off and I would stay like till one am
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  Speaker 2: working their hot glue gun all over my fingers, like.
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  Speaker 3: It was rough. What was the hot glue gun? For
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  Speaker 3: material boards?
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  Speaker 2: We would do like presentation boards with fabrics and tiles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And it was in the hospitality world, so we did
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  Speaker 2: like hotels, casinos. I designed multiple like bars on this
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  Speaker 2: strip and I don't advertise it too much because I
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  Speaker 2: like the residential world.
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  Speaker 3: But so I worked my way up.
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  Speaker 2: And I worked my ass off for very little money,
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  Speaker 2: Like salaries were around like twenty thousand dollars at the time,
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  Speaker 2: but so but I knew there was an end goal.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that I'm going to gain this you know,
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  Speaker 2: experience and learn, and I was always seeing a way out.
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  Speaker 2: And then I just from there, I went to a
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  Speaker 2: different firm, and then I wanted to get back into residential.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's what I loved, the luxury residentials fees.
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  Speaker 2: And then I just made so many connections and the
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  Speaker 2: clients that were, you know, going there, they just we
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  Speaker 2: had a really good connection. And then I started I
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  Speaker 2: ended up working for like a a builder group, like
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  Speaker 2: a like a developer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So again I just made all these connections with clients there,
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  Speaker 2: and then they started asking me to take on projects
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  Speaker 2: by myself outside of the company on the weekends and nights,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, so I started my first project.
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  Speaker 2: This good story about my first project. My client she
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  Speaker 2: owns a private jet. She has a hangar in Henderson
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  Speaker 2: in Vegas basically, and she had like a famous Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: designer designing her homes in Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: At the Summit, which is where she lives.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, you know, my designer, this little hangar
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  Speaker 2: is too small for him. You know, he's not he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't take projects like this, would you take it on
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  Speaker 2: the weekends? And I was like, yeah, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: just no Monday through Friday. I can't pick up the phone,
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  Speaker 2: like I have responsibilities at work.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, no problem, I did it on the weekend.
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  Speaker 3: She loved it.
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  Speaker 2: She fired her big time Hollywood designer, shout out, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you're great. She fired him and hired me to
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  Speaker 2: design her twenty thousand square foot house.
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  Speaker 3: And then from there it just it was worse.
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  Speaker 1: Were you ready for that project?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was ready?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty thousand square feet?
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  Speaker 3: That's like how much money is?
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  Speaker 1: Like how much money worth of furniture does it cost
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  Speaker 1: to square feet?
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  Speaker 3: At millions?
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  Speaker 1: Millions?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And you knew how to order, where to order whether
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  Speaker 1: a lot of returns?
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  Speaker 2: Of course, not one, not a single one, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not a single one. But it takes time.
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  Speaker 2: That project took three years, so it takes time. It's
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  Speaker 2: not like we're just going in and rushing and ordering things.
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  Speaker 2: It's room by room. So how it started. Actually, after
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  Speaker 2: the hangar she hired me. We developed a good relationship.
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  Speaker 2: She had a spa room in her house. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: he's just not yea, amen. That house stunning. I love you, Cassandra, it'sycling.
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  Speaker 2: But she she's like, the spa is just not getting me,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like you get me, so can you
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  Speaker 2: just do the spa? And she wasn't even gonna tell him.
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  Speaker 2: She was just gonna be like, here's my idea, like
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  Speaker 2: her own ideas. Okay, I did this spa like in
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  Speaker 2: one weekend, and she was like, love it done. Do
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the house. So that's how it happened.
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  Speaker 2: But I was so ready for it. I mean I
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  Speaker 2: had been ready for it. I was taking on huge
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  Speaker 2: projects at the firms I was working on, and I
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  Speaker 2: was doing everything from A to Z.
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  Speaker 3: I was like meeting clients.
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  Speaker 2: I was even helping my old boss write contracts for them.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing material sourcing, presentations, renderings, meeting with them.
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  Speaker 3: I was like I would be in a room full.
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  Speaker 2: Of like twenty guys and suits, because that's how it
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  Speaker 2: works in the hotel industry. There's you know, CEOs, and
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  Speaker 2: it's not just one person. Yeah, And so I was
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  Speaker 2: so ready for it. I just had to see my
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  Speaker 2: end to where I had enough connections, and basically I
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  Speaker 2: started getting so many if these like weekend side jobs
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  Speaker 2: from clients being like, we just want to pay you
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  Speaker 2: and not you know, go through company. And then when
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  Speaker 2: I started basically making more than what I was making
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  Speaker 2: making on weekend projects, more than my yearly salary, I
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  Speaker 2: was like time to lead.
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  Speaker 3: This is it?
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  Speaker 1: So that's interesting because I think a lot of designers
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  Speaker 1: or future designers would want to know what kind of
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  Speaker 1: the path is and when to leap. So that's smart.
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  Speaker 1: So you work for a firm, you learn what to do,
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  Speaker 1: and then you can make them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously there's so many different avenues and aspects.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, some designers I look up to that are
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  Speaker 2: amazing have not gone this route. They didn't even study it,
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  Speaker 2: and you really don't need to study it, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: It help me.
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  Speaker 2: School helped me a lot with time management and figuring
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  Speaker 2: that out, But school didn't teach me how to design.
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  Speaker 2: You know, design is so specific. You have one teacher
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  Speaker 2: telling you if your work is good or not, like
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  Speaker 2: that's their opinion. But there's so many different avenues. Some
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  Speaker 2: people just don't go to school. They just start doing
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  Speaker 2: their friends stuff and then now all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: they have a huge business. So but this was my
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  Speaker 2: way that I saw was doable, and this was the
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  Speaker 2: way that I was like comfortable with.
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  Speaker 3: And just you know, took it there.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, who are that you mentioned? Designers you
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  Speaker 1: look up to? Who are the people do you have
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  Speaker 1: like two or yes?
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  Speaker 2: I mean Jake Arnold? Love him, look up to him.
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  Speaker 2: He's amazing. I've met him because we worked together on
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  Speaker 2: a project that summit.
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  Speaker 3: Kelly Wursler icon.
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  Speaker 2: Obsessed doctor in an airport one oh yes, obsessed.
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  Speaker 3: She's going through security.
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  Speaker 1: She's not a celebrity, but she is.
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  Speaker 2: She is.
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  Speaker 3: She's an icon. Like Kelly. You talked to her.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I did because I love Oh.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: My god, I love her. I listened to her on podcasts.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: So she took a totally different route. Yeah, she was
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: completely and so did Jake. His his route was different.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: They started just they didn't go to schooling. They just
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: you know, full force. And I totally admire that. Yeah,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: that takes guts to just go full force there.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, But I was like.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna do this and I don't
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: want to struggle as much.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So you know that I'm obsessed with questions. Yes, And
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: one thing I noticed when we had our first Zoom session. Yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: was you asked a lot of great questions to get
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: to know the heart of what I was wanting, particularly
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: because I actually don't have the words to describe what
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I want because I'm not in the design world. I
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: can imagine a lot of people you meet are the same. Yes,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I'm curious what kinds of questions you like
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: to ask clients when you first meet them to really
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: get an understanding of what they want.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is such a good question because that's really
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: what we do, is try to figure out what's in
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: their head when they don't even know. So that's really good.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: My first question is really about their lifestyle because we
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: can figure I can usually figure out what styles they like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: but I first start with their lifestyle, like how they're
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: using their space, how many in their family, are they
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: hosting a lot are they not?
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Where do they like to sit?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: You know, all of those kinds of lifestyle questions really
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: change the space. And then, secondly, because it's really hard
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: for clients to pinpoint what style they like, and a
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: lot of times they like multiple different things and it's
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: our job to bring it together. I don't want them
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: to be like I want this you know, I want
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to also show what I can do. So what I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: ask is, I'll ask them, what's your favorite hotel you've
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: been to? And we talked about that too, which you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: actually told it to me right said it to me right.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Away, but well, because I was like, I want my
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: apartment to look like the one you tell Yeah, yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: such a vibe.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: But so I asked them, like, what's their favorite hotel
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: they've been to, or a restaurant or a lobby or
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: just anything. And then they'll say that, and I'll be like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: why did you like that? Is it the way it
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: makes you feel or is it the moodiness the lighting?
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So I try to like decipher from that or then
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: if they're a little more into a little more involved,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: then I'll be like, like magazines, Like one of my
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: clients she loves ad and she'll flip the magazine. I'm like,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: rip me pages that are you know, attractive to you
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and that appeal to you, and then she'll rip them
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and they're all so different. But then I'm right away
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm able to just know what she's liking in each one.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: With do you have to ask her or you kind
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of get the vibe.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I get the vibe because sometimes it's hard to it's
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: hard to ask because they don't even know.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing you can't teach, yeah, exactly.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: So that's why I'm saying schooling.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure we can go learn how to draw things
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: or do that, but this is the thing you can't
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: teach is how to just kind of like decipher what
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: they're wanting just from some photos. And yeah, it's hard
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: to explain because that's one thing with this. Yeah, like
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: you can't be taught. You can't be taught that. You
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: can be taught other technical things, but you know, that
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: kind of vision, you cannot be taught.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It's funny because in the hair and makeup world, like
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: if you use hair and makeup artists, you'll always say, like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: what are you looking for? And it's very hard to describe.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: So what you do is you send photos of celebrities, yes,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I like this ad or I like
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: this look. But the thing is is like you could
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: look completely different in them, and the makeup isn't going
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to translate. The same is design the same in that it's.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Pretty similar because honestly, sometimes like you'll show a picture
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of somebody in your like I love her makeup. And
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: then if they don't, what we see is different from
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: what the you know, professionals sees, so they'll ask, like,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: what specifically do you like there?
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Because they have totally different features.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the same with the house you see
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: in a magazine. I mean the house has totally different features. Yeah,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: but what do you like? So I ask it's more
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: about the mood. She'll be like, I like how fun
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: this room, or I like how dim this is, or
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I like how it makes me feel calm, rather than
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I like this sofa in this wallpaper and that. So
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: it's it's more of that. But yeah, it's pretty similar because.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: What i'm the gardener here is like you're basing it
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on this feeling. Like I said to you, I want
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to walk in and I want to feel totally calm, yes,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like zen yeah, and you're like okay, got it, and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you right away. So sometimes what do people say, Like
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: they'll say, I want to come in here and feel inspired.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Not inspired, but they'll say, for example, like one of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: my clients is her study her like little office, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: she's like, I don't want it to feel like an office.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I wanted to feel like a fun, funky space, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: she's like funky and cool. She's like, I wanted to
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: feel like that. I want some color. I want like
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: collage on the walls. And I was like, okay, got it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And then I could take it into different directions. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I usually just I find something that's inspiring me and
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I go there and then another thing people ask it
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: or another client say, I wanted to feel worldly, right,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: So meaning to me, that means like they wanted to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: feel like items have been collected from all over the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: world and things you don't see and things maybe that
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you saw in a different country that we bring in.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: So that helped me gather things from all over the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: world in that house and make it feel like they said,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: like European.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: You know. So that's kind of where I draw inspiration. Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So I found your work on Instagram, and then after
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: we connected, I realized that you have designed for some
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: pretty high profile clients. One that stood out to me
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was Dean Spanos, who's the owner of the Chargers. How
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: did that relationship come about it?
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Dn and Susie are the loveliest people you'll ever meet. Like,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: when Susie calls me on the phone, my face lights up.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: She calls my husband. His face lights up like she's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: She's truly amazing Dan. And Susie was word of mouth
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: all my clients have, which is, I'm so blessed that
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I have that relationship. But one of the sales agents
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I believe can meet to them. And we had I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: had one meeting with Susie. We had a lunch and
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't even show her my work. We had one
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: lunch and it was in the start too, so I
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: didn't have my really nice website and all that. And
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: she's like, Okay, can you start Monday? And I was like, yes,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: So you told me that that was a life changing project.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, why it's just working seeing how hard they work
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and their work ethic. And for Dean to tell me
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that he sees that in me, like the hard work
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and that work ethic just meant a lot to me
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and meant to me that I'm going on the right
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that I'm.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Where I'm supposed to be.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, So honestly, every project I have has been life changing,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: not just because of the client, just because the relationship
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: we've developed, what the end product that I loved, you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: adding a checklist like I did that you know. So honestly,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: they're all equally life changing, but working with them is
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: just a blessing. They're they're so humble, they're so sweet,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: so generous with their time, and we developed an amazing
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: product to the point where Susie she'll call me randomly
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and she'll be like, nor everyone compliments me on this.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: She's a sweetheart. Everyone comes compliments me on this. You're amazing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: She's like, you're the most talented designer. And know am
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: was like, that's so sweet. There's so many talented designers
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: So she's just she's calls me Tom, she calls me
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to pump me up.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Every time Susie calls me, I get an ego boost.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm feeling good today.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, client stood out to me is David Goggins.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I love David me too. Okay, I just read anybody
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: who doesn't know. He's a retired US Navy seal, ultra
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: marathon runner, ultra distance cyclist, triathlete. He wrote the book
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Can't Hurt Me, and it kind of popped off because
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: he had been through so much in his life and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: he decided, you know nothing and no one can hurt me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It's mind over matter, I know, talk about mental tisness. Yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: what is it like working with somebody like that in
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a design pupacity?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I mean I was nervous. Yeah, I was nervous. David
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: is a force. He is amazing and Jennifer too, They're
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: amazing and yeah, the first meeting we had because he
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: is a nobs kind of guy, right, he will call
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it how it is. And the first meeting I was nervous.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is David. I need to go,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you know, I need to give him everything he doesn't
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: know he needs. And the best thing about that project
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: is they did not give me any direction. They really didn't,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and that's why I was nervous, because they were like, look,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you're the professional we.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Hired, you show us what you would do.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And I was like, that's honestly a scarier than when
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: they tell me, you know, I'm like, okay. You know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Challenge accepted his unit, had we have to do a
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: lot of remodel to it because the unit he had
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: actually didn't even have a kitchen and it's in a condo.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: It's a very weird layout and we had to get
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: really creative.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: To get them a kitchen even.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: But the best moment I remember is I had just
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: done my presentation of just something that I would design
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: for me. And I had just done my presentation and
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think David was there. I think it was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Jennifer and she loved it and she's like, I'll show
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it to David tonight. He was doing something much much cooler,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you know. And I get a call and I had
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: just met my husband and I get a call and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: we were together, I mean and my husband were in
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the car. I get a call like nine PM from
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a random number because he doesn't do phones. I don't
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: know if you guys know this, nott him and I
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: answer and he goes, no, it's David Goggins. And I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. I was like, did he
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: hate it? And he's like, I just want to tell
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: you you efen crushed it. And I was like, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: he's on speaker and my husband, who was in the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: military too, was like.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Holy beep, it's David. And I was just like, this
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: is so fun cool. You crushed it? Yeah, And he
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: said it much more.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not gonna I can't do, you know
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: what he does. But he's so passionate and for his passion,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: for him to show me that passion about how much
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: he loved it. And then the next time I can say,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I can tell so many stories because these are so fun.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: But the next time we had a secondary meeting to
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: finalize the rest of the house, he got so pumped
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: he threw the papers on the ground and he was
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: hyping me up. And I was just like, this is
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: truly amazing because it shows that this is what I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: just what I would design for me, that they loved
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it too.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Did his philosophy rub off on you at all?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you started running.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I was actually in cross country my whole life,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: but now I hate it. I hate running so and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you know, props to everyone who can. But yeah, I mean,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: being around someone like that, it's it's hard not to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: you know, you yeah, you admire them so much that
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: you're like that. But you know, I've I've always grown
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: up with that tough mental My dad is, you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: taught us to be resilient to get up. You know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: some may call it tough love, but I loved it
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: because it taught me to be resilient and that it
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: reminded me a lot of what he.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Says, Yeah, that's cool.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine for somebody like that his space
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: needs to be a sanctuary. Yes, because he's doing a
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: lot during the day. Yeah, so he needs to come
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: home and enjoy the space that he's in. What are
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: your rules for making a home a sanctuary?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Number one, declutter it's number one.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: But everything else, I throw everything.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: If it doesn't mean anything to you, toss it. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a sanctuary, it's it's really just.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: A feeling, you know, if your day is so hectic,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I usually tend to design the space to be a
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: lot more zen and a lot less things around, and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a lot less you know, perfectly styled all the time.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It needs to give you a leeway to just whether
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you're lounging down on the couch, you know, you get up,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that couch still needs to feel like it's put together.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: What do you think somebody's home says about them?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Hmmm?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think it really shows their personality, But.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you think it says about their true self?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It really shows how they are on their day to
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: day life. Like if your home is a little more
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: eclectic to me, like you're probably a little more you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: fun and a little more open to risks. You're a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: little more of a risk taker. Interesting, and if your
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: house is a little more subdued, a little more you
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: know safe, Like it also kind of says that about
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you that maybe you are a little safe in your
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: day to day life, but your personality shows. I mean,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: if a house it's booty, that can tell you that
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: person has that cool, you know, edgy vibe. But yeah,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I mean a space says a lot about you.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I mean also what you value, right, Like if you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: have certain art, it's like, okay that this person cares
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: about art more than maybe they care about their tables.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Or one hundred.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, that's a great point. And also the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: functionality of the space how you're using it. If you're
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: valuing comfort over an esthetic that like can't be touched really,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: so yeah, exactly what you value in this space is
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: such a good one.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Have you ever designed a space for somebody who only
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: cared about aesthetic, like they were like, I don't care
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: how uncomfortable a chair I.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Wish, I wish.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, sometimes Jake Arnold's work looks like that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to me, Like I'm like, and I'm it may be not,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: but it's also perfect.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: How do you set down I know, like the.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Space for Chrissy t. Egan and John Legend.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. Yond I feel like it's what I've seen.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: You know, it actually reads very comfortable okay to me,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I can see I can see some as
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a little more cutting edge. And I love like they
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: had that tree like right in the middle of the house.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, but I love that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: There's a fine line between that and you know, you
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: may get that client that's like, I don't care, We'll
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: deal with it, you know, do what you do, and
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that's a dream client.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: You have this quote on your Instagram bio that I
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: really love. It says, if a place has a soul,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it remains alive forever. Yeah, how do you give a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: place a soul? What does that mean?
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I love this quote. I saw it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I was in a hotel Villadesta in Lake Como five
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: years ago and I saw this quote and since then,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I've like, this is so may I'm like living by it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: What to me, a place that has a soul can
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: really show your character, can really show that you put
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: your heart into it. You're not afraid to put objects
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: that someone else may not like you know, it's it's you.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: And for me, if a place feels.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: A little you know, to what do they call it nowadays,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: like Beijing boring? You know, but it just it's adding
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: your own like so hard to explain, but I feel
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: like a lot of my projects I put my clients
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: like mine and their souls into to it. I'm like,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I want to bring you things that you truly enjoy
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: and things that maybe like give you like a feeling
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: when you look at them, like this art piece or
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: this vase or this little fun chair in the corner.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: So just bringing in soul.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to mean that it needs to
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: be colorful and eclectic, but you need to have some
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: unexpected moments in there. You need it to feel unique
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: to your person.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: What emotional needs are you trying to meet when you
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: create a space.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: So this kind of goes I think this kind of
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: goes back to like.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: If you have a hectic day, you know, hectic life,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: hectic work, that you probably want your space to feel
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: a little more zen. And you know, if your days
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: are a bit more maybe a little less challenging, I
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: guess maybe you can have a little more fun in
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the house and dedicate a little bit more to that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So we're always trying to give a feeling of home.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: To be honest, how do you think because your home,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: you said, is very like Wabbi Sabbi and Zen.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I'm trying. It's not a forever home, but
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I'm trying.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: How do you design to solve for stress? Can you
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: give me two or three examples?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: First and foremost is having decluttering and having let everything
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: have its own space. Okay, so designating objects to spaces
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: really helps because then you know where everything goes, so
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: that kind of helps you distress and not being like, oh,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: where's every why's everything?
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: You know? All over? The other thing is colors too.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: If there's a color that distresses you, some might be blue,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: some might be green, some might be white, you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and we do have a lot of you know, white
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: in our house too, and to me it just calms
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: me those colors and then you have to bring in
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a little contrast in that. But you know, and beyond that,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: it's really the layout. The layout of the space. You
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: need enough, you know, movement room, you need enough, you know, egress,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: like to walk around between things and not feel so
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: tight and you know, just can fluttered. I guess I
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: can find.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think that design can actually heal something in people?
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, I think absolutely you can. I mean
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe separately from a home, on like a bigger
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: societal level. You know, we see our buildings now and
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: our houses are all like soa cookie cutter, and I
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: feel like you really find a join in someone when
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: they walk into a space, whether it's a building, a hospital,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a school, and you feel like it's open, there's daylight.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: It almost heals something and you're like you walk in
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and you're like breathing like fresh air.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the questions you asked me that I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: love was how do you use your space? What are
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you using it for? And I had some very specific
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: things because I work from home, so I'm like, I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: do my makeup, my hair and makeup, Like I have
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a station that I need, Yes, I have a podcasting space,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth. And it made me think
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: about human first design, which I learned about a few
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: years ago. And the idea on a societal level is
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that like parks, benches, public spaces have been designed as
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: spaces and then people fit into them, and human first
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: design is the opposite. You think about the person living
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: in the space. So for instance, if it's for kids,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you would make the desks shorter, the water fountains are
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: toilets smaller. And I realized there's this like golden rule
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: or golden ratio. It's built off of six foot one male.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: The average height of men is not six foot even. So,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: like if you go into a bathroom and it's like
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the shower is so tall, it's because it was built
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: for the golden ratio. You're really designing human first. Is
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that something that they're teaching in schools now or is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that something that you've cultivated.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I've definitely cultivated that because that's I pride myself in
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: having a deep connection with my clients and fitting it
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to their needs. Yeah, they don't necessarily teach that. They
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: teach us the golden ratio in school. I can't tell
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you how many times we have to study in tests
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I need to fix the goal. I mean, it makes
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: me especially mad when I put my luggage up for
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: TSA's on the conveyor belt because I only do carry
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: on maintenance like you, and it's so high because.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: It's I know they're high. Yes, I know I.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Get anyways, but.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: You know I love it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you really got a design for your
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: client to have a successful project. That's you know, I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: could argue that that's why those the cookie cutter build
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: their grade should we call them, you know, not trying
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to say those are bad, but you can argue that
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: functionality they don't work because they're not tailored to a
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: specific person.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a great point.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is the big question, yes, because I know
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: everybody listening that's thinking about designing or redesigning their space
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: wants to know the biggest mistakes that clients make when
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: they start with a designer. Easy, I'm gonna tell you,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: be brutally honest.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you the biggest mistake clients my
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: client make before they hire me and why they come.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: They put too much reliance on the contractor and the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: architect and they think that they're designing their space because
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of them try and every single time one
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: of my clients has gone to their contractor architect first,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they've come right back to me and we had lost
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: a bit of time there. So my advice is always
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: start with your designer. That's the space you're in every day.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: That's what you're seeing every day. So hire your designer first.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Contractors and architects are great. I think when everybody does
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: what they do best, that's a successful project. There's this
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: saying at jack of all trades is a master of none,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: and it's really really true, like everybody has a specialty
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: and expertise. And when you hire your designer first, or
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: even at the same time as your team, a designer
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: can really get ahead and tell you some of the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: things that we can change to the architecture of the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: house to make it more functional internally, because an architect
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: may be looking at on the outside and the contractor
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: is looking at budgets and the buildout on the timeline.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: But designer can help really pull it all in together.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And even with budgets, a designer can really help you
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: figure out what's worth splurging on and what's not. And
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: so I see that mistake happening all the time with
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: clients hiring their contractor maybe their contractor says.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I can design it. I'll you know, I'll design it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: For you, or at the arctech And the most successful
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: projects was when all three of us work as a.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Team Okay, that's that's so interesting. I didn't know that.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Is there anything else that comes to mind?
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: The other biggest thing is proportions. That's the one thing
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: that if somebody's self designing or even yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: if somebody is self designing their space, that's the one
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: thing I see people get wrong. But ninety nine percent
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: of the time is the proportions.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, say more like do you because what I see
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: is that people under estate make the size of the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: furniture you need. They usually make things too small, like
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the chandelier is too small or this coffee table is
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: too small.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Exactly, yes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And the thing with putting items that are smaller than
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: the space calls for now your host to space feels
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: small and feels off. So but there's different ways that proportions,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the right proportions can help your space. For example, if
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: you have low ceilings and you're building like let's say
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: a cabinet wall or something, try to keep things lower,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: like if you're doing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Let's say, like a little shelf.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: It's going to be hard to explain, but make some
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: things lower, like maybe you have a little ledge that's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: lower rather than tall cabinets with shelving on top. And
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that's going to help your trick your eye to thinking
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: that the space is taller because of the things we're
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: using in it. So maybe your furniture is a little
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: bit lower to help give more height to the to
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the space. But the other thing is is I see
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of the times arts too small, couches, rugs.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: It's a big one. Rugs are too so go bigger.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: If if you're in doubt, just go bigger.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: You know, what is the first piece of furniture that
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you purchase when you're designing a space? Do you start
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: with the coffee table? No?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I usually start with whatever the biggest item in the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: room is. Okay, So if it's a living room, a sofa,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: if it's a bedroom, a bed, so we I always
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like to start with the bigger piece because that helps
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: tell me what other space I have to work with,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: because that's the more important piece in that room.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: That's actually a really helpful small tip. Oh good, that's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: really good. What are spots in people's homes where we
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: could probably benefit from some bigger small changes? Are there
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: areas that you gravitate towards.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Areas in people's homes? Hmm, to think about that, one.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you tell me more, I mean, and you
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: tell me.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: This question is coming from if the esthetic is fun
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and eclectic and cluttered, then it works. Yeah, but most
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: people's is not. Most people's design is a little bit zen.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And I find too many coffee table books, too many plants,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Like it's just very much right, right, What do you
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: think people could benefit from, God looking through the nore lens.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so like the less is more concept, Yeah,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I think what people The thing is, it can be
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: done the right way.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Even less is more is also great.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But also sometimes more is more is great, you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: especially in this era of like maximalism. But I think
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: where people go wrong is like the layout of things.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Like let's take your example, your you know, yeah example
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: for example, like the coffee table books. Yeah, there might
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: be a lot, there might be a lot of accessories
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: on the shelf, but it's about how you put it together,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Like there has to be there has to be a
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: height variance, like the specific heighth variance that helps. So
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: whether you start with something let's say on the left
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: corner that's a bit taller, and then you have to
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: supplement it with something in the middle. Maybe that's like
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: like a book, like something a little shallower, and then
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: you have to come down to that corner and maybe
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: put like a grouping of two.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: So it's more about arranging.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have the right stuff,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: but the arrangement is what's off. I mean, we just
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: kind of did that here in your studio, even though
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it's gorgeous, just little things that we arranged to give
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a little more height, you know, to the background, a
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: little more.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just I was shocked how little things made a
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: big difference. Yes, like moving one book.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, moving, yes, exactly.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: What was your childhood home?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Like? My childhood home is my favorite home. So I
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: grew up in Lebanon, and the homes there back in
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: the Mediterranean, basically they are really like homogeneous with the
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: land around it, so which I love and which is
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: what's hard to replicate when you're outside of that land.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: But the house I grew up when was all rocks,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Like the whole thing was made out of you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the stacked stone, so there was no drywall on the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: inside of the house, the X tier in the interior
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: where it was all one material. You can tell there
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: was like true craftsmen in there. This It was this
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: chimney stove top, real oak flooring, you know, with the
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: parquet flooring. It was just gorgeous and even though it
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't a big space, it really felt like home. And
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: that home is still in our family. My uncle now
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: has it because we had to sell to move here,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: but I love visiting. It's gorgeous, you know, it just
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: it really feels like what everyone is trying to go
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: back to. Is that kind of like simple life of
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: like growing your own vegetables and fruits and living in
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: a house that really makes you feel cozy and warm.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Do you think that growing up in that house influenced
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: how you designed today?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I've always said that my style gives an
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: o to my Mediterranean you know, heritage, And what I
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: love most is that they designed the space is there
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to be homogeneous with the land around it and to
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: kind of like take inspiration from that. So you see
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of the raw natural materials, the plasters, the stone,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: the limestone, the woods, and that real like craftsmanship. So
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I really try to bring that almost in every project.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Even if the project doesn't have that look, there's always
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: that bit of like twist in there. Yeah, And I
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: always like to add something a little unexpected than you
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: see from a typical like Mediterranean style.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah I did.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: One of the things I've been talking about with my
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: friends a lot lately is home ownership, because it's nearly
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: impossible to buy a home in La. Are there tips
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: you have for making a space feel lux without spending
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a ton of money?
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I mean luxury design doesn't have to always mean a
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: huge budget. It means being intentional with what you buy,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: taking your time, not going to a showman, just buying
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: everything you see and putting it together. It's really about
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: taking the time, adding functionality to the space, letting things
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: speak to you, almost like you see an object that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: you know that you kind of develop a feeling for.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: But there's tons of little things like honestly, window coverings,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: window treatments and coverings can really really change up a space.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: And we saw that with your space too. And it's
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: something that's really easy that you can just put up
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: and it really helps cozy it down from that. You know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: cookie cutter looks, so that helps a lot. You know,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: fresh coat of paint always helps to that's a good one. Yeah, fresh,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: You know, nothing cannot be solved without a fresh.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Code oft I like that.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what's worth investing in and what's worth saving
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it in the house.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: So I would say what's worth investing in the most
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: is the pieces that you use the most that you're
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: gonna be Like, for example, your sofa. You're on that
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: every single day. You know you're gathering, you're hosting, you're
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: developing memories there, so you want that piece to really
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: last you. So I think bigger pieces like that, whether
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: it's sofa or for example, your bed and your bedding.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Like a good betting, you know, you really feel like
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: you're on a cloud. So I would say invest in
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the pieces that you're using the most, especially if you
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: can get things that are modular, like like one of
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: my sofas, for example, because I know that we'll probably
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: be moving soon. It's a modular piece. I can always
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: add on to it in the future. So that's nice too.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: But that's one of the perils of design is you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: spend money on a space and then when you move. Yes,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: it's very hard. No matter how nice the piece is,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: it just always fits a little.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I know, it's hard. Yeah, modular furniture is really nice.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: For that give me Five steps to make any room gorgeous.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, five steps to make your room gorgeous. Okay.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Number one, paint your walls, baseboards, and ceiling the same color.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Number two, no accident walls. Please ditch the accent walls.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: It is your room is supposed to feel, you know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: one space. Number three, like I said before, go bigger rugs,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: go bigger curtains, go taller, art larger, so it really
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: really helps. Number four, use raw and natural materials, you know, hardware, stones,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: anything that you can that you feel like you're finding
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: in nature. Yes, raw, bronze finished for example, bronze hardware versus.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: A matte black hardware.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: And then number five layer with textures. Do a lot
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: of layering, whether it's textures, colors, at things in varying heights.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: So the room should feel layered, and that really will
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: get you good room.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: That was so good.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: All the kids are clapping like this. They want to
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: give you a silent clap.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: That was so good.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, rapid fire, Okay, are you ready?
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm ready.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: What's the first thing you noticed when you walk into
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: somebody home.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I want to say clutter, but I don't want to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: sound like I'm judging anyone, but functionality.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: When you start out designing a room, what's the first
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: piece you start with.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: The biggest item in the room?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Interior designer, hot take, Oh.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Ditch the orchids orchids. It feels like you're in the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: dentist office. Do not display orchids.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: My dad was a dentist, and I agree. What's the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: fastest way to make a room look more expensive?
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Room look more expensive? Proportions? Okay, the right proportions.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: What's a design rule that's totally outdated?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I have so many?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Okay that you can't you have to only use light
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: colors in a smaller room. A small room can also
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: be moody and dark. Not mixing metals, overhead lighting or
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: over that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: What's your toxic trade as a designer?
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my designs are never easy, Like contractors are borderline
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: love me and hate me because I'm always challenging them.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, what's one thing that renters can do
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to make their home feel custom and LUs But like
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you know, when you rent, you can't change furnishings.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: The first thing I would do is change all your
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: overhead lighting to a warm white.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to do It's so easy.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Really, it's so easy, my husband, this.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Whole process has been like sort of a test for
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: me because I hate doing real life things.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love working like I hate.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Figuring out lighting.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I hate fixing the dishwasher. Yes, so this has been
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: a good test ring. I'm going to fix my lighting.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, what's a design rule?
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  Speaker 3: You love to break overhead lighting?
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  Speaker 1: Don't do it?
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  Speaker 3: I hate overhead lighting. Yes, it's not a you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's really to do. It's hard.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the house is with it. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like per code. But you know there's I love dim lighting.
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  Speaker 2: I love lighting that's grounded, like your floor lines are
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  Speaker 2: table lamps, and you.
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  Speaker 1: Know love Do you do warm lighting not cold?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? Warm lighting? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The item that you would save from your house if
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  Speaker 1: you could only pick one thing.
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  Speaker 2: So my husband and I we di wied a coffee
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  Speaker 2: table and I love it so much. I drew like
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  Speaker 2: an organic shape on a piece of wood. He cut it,
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  Speaker 2: we stained it, we trimmed it, and it looks so gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: So we're saving that. Yeah.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's a book that you've read that changed your life?
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  Speaker 1: Something you think everybody should read.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean definitely while working with David Goggins, you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I've read his books Can't Hurt Me and Never Finish,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: and they're really they're really just so inspirational.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what's something that every woman should try once?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: What's something every woman should try once? I know, try
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: going out with no makeup. Some are nice, some are fancy.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Get dressed up and lose the makeup and feel confident.
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  Speaker 1: That's no one's ever said that.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great Yeah, you'll it.
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  Speaker 2: You'll be surprised how much it changes your confidence and
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  Speaker 2: your ability to be like I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, grab the Question Everything card game next to you
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  Speaker 1: and pick a card whicheverone calls to you. It's like taro.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we got to mix them up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how would you describe yourself to a stranger? M
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: How would I describe myself? I feel like I'm a
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  Speaker 2: very excited person. In fact, I get excited over things.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I care a lot about things, and then I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little fun and crazy sometimes and loyal. That's really loyal
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  Speaker 2: to friends, to family, to that. Yeah, hopefully that's how
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  Speaker 2: they would describe me to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Current faves, Yes, love that people are always asking me
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Current faves. Okay, current faves. What's your favorite stone right now?
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I love Chapel Beije or in that family, go to
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: off white paint Baby Fawn.
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  Speaker 3: By Benjamin Moore. Love it? I love you? Yeah, because
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: I just used it and it's now my new favorite.
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  Speaker 1: A design style you love.
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  Speaker 2: So. I love Wabbi sabi, but not the mainstream wabi
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  Speaker 2: sabi that everyone's now. That term is being used very loosely,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: the you know, pure form of wobbi sabi that you
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: know axel Vervort does stunning.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you had to choose one favorite store to
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  Speaker 1: furnish a house.
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  Speaker 3: With, oh the future, perfect, gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: A brand you're obsessed with.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna give you lighting, furniture and accessories because
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I just can't pick one furniture. I'm obsessed with Andreana Shamaris.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: She does custom like raw natural wood furniture, accessories, l
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  Speaker 2: Ees collection, and lighting apparatus.
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  Speaker 3: Obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: A color you didn't expect to love, but you do?
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  Speaker 3: Purple?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Like lilac or deep purple? What are we talking about?
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Every single shade of purple? I just use this stone
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: that has purples and greens. It's called four season. That
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  Speaker 4: might have to be my new favorite stone.
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  Speaker 2: In your question, gorgeous burgundy, I mean your burgundy tophaser
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  Speaker 2: purple is burgundy purple.
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  Speaker 3: It's a shade of it.
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  Speaker 1: My god.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're putting in that family.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, in art style that you're craving in homes right now.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, tapestry on the walls.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, that's very Turkish if you like. Yeah, a
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: design rule, you're happily breaking.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Design room, happily breaking, mixing wood tones and mixing metals.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: A coffee table book you always include.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: That's really hard because coffee table books are so so
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: specific to my clients. So there's not one I'm ever
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: repeating because it just doesn't make sense.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: But I love Acoline.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: That's the brand that you can They have the best
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: coffee table books.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Cool. A product you stockpile before it sells out.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: A product, so it's not specifically a product, but once
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: you find cutlery or like dishes, like or cups something,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: and you love stock pilot because it will go out
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: of stock and then you have to get a whole
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: news and.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Then you break on and yes, yes or yeah, exactly
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: a plant or floral that you're using NonStop.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Plant.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: I love a plant called Song of India. It's gorgeous.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And then flowers, love laurals, nanculous.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm saying it. Oh you said,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: say much better.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they're beautiful, Yeah, gorgeous, gorgeous hardware finish. You're
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: having a love affair with bronze most design forward hotel
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: you stayed in.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I love the Santa Monica Proper.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Kelly Wrozler interior design account that you're stalking
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: on Instagram.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I love Visual Pleasure magazines. Visual Pleasure mag the handle.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Most underrated styling object, plants cool. You are so talented
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and wonderful and you're really truly a wonderful person to.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Work Thank you so much.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: You've been amazing to work with. I feel like I'm
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: working with like a best friend, like me. So much fun.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: We really have. We giggled a lot. Okay, you know
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  Speaker 1: what time it is. Today's a good day to have
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: a good day. I'll see you next week.