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Reaction: What Gleyber Torres' return means for the Tigers · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Bowel Territory Network, a the Troit Tigers Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Karen Steckley with me as always as a man that
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  Speaker 1: no cloud outage can break.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing didn't break me? I didn't know there
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  Speaker 3: was a cloud outage until you started telling me your
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  Speaker 3: Google Chrome wasn't working. So it was all code on
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  Speaker 3: Safari over here. Everything was running smoothly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, running smoothly.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of smooth operations, we're recording this Tuesday about
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  Speaker 1: six thirty Eastern time. And as far as actual tangible things,
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers have had a smooth offseason. I guess you
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  Speaker 1: could say Jack Flaherty option in or exercises his option,
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  Speaker 1: whatever the correct terminology is there. And then just breaking
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  Speaker 1: news ish from a couple hours ago, Cody Glaber Torres
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  Speaker 1: has accepted did the qualifying offer a hair over twenty
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  Speaker 1: two million dollars for the twenty twenty six season. So
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  Speaker 1: we had con back and forth on this about you know,
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  Speaker 1: from both sides, about you know, the merits of extending,
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  Speaker 1: the merits of accepting, and all that stuff. Now that
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  Speaker 1: it's official, What do you think from Torres' perspective, kind
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  Speaker 1: of this this came down to for him to decide
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  Speaker 1: to stay Detroit another season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, people were acting like it was a hard decision.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it most likely was not that hard
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  Speaker 3: of a decision. Now, it sounds like Labor's agents did
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  Speaker 3: their due diligence and kind of shopped around, maybe talk
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  Speaker 3: to some teams, Hey, what you know, could we get
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  Speaker 3: our boy four years? And it doesn't seem like. It
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  Speaker 3: never felt to me like he was going to have
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  Speaker 3: suitors for that type of deal. I think the Athletic
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  Speaker 3: was projecting him to get somewhere in the three year,
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  Speaker 3: forty five plus million dollar range. I thought three six
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  Speaker 3: was kind of his absolute ceiling for if a team
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  Speaker 3: then really liked him and really wanted to played approach.
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  Speaker 3: But I had a hard time seeing him getting that
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  Speaker 3: sort of offer he wanted. I think there's upside for
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  Speaker 3: him to return. So you're probably gonna make more money
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six than you would any other way
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  Speaker 3: you cut it, and you come back with a chance
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  Speaker 3: to raise the ceiling for your value. If you want
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  Speaker 3: to make one hundred plus million, just get yourself twenty
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  Speaker 3: two this year, and maybe see if you can get
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  Speaker 3: four for seventy eight next year. I think that is
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  Speaker 3: not impossible. There's a little bit of a risk. Everyone's worried,
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  Speaker 3: you know, will there be a labor stoppage? Will players
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  Speaker 3: miss time in twenty twenty seven. So Glaber does take
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  Speaker 3: that gamble a little bit, but he's gonna get paid
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  Speaker 3: a lot. And also, I think anyone criticizing Scott Harris
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  Speaker 3: for this is way off base. Glabor per Fangrafs was
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  Speaker 3: worth about twenty point six million last year. That's with
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  Speaker 3: a sports he toorney that plugged him greatly in the
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  Speaker 3: second half. Maybe you're paying a little bit above market.
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  Speaker 3: But if Glaber went to free agency saying I will
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  Speaker 3: take a one year deal, I think he would get
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  Speaker 3: more than the fifteen million he got last season. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think this is like above market. I think you
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  Speaker 3: bring back a quality hitter who's good leadership presence, who
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  Speaker 3: does a lot of good for your team. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: into the ramifications and the downstream effects of this a
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  Speaker 3: little bit later, but for now, I think this makes
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  Speaker 3: a lot of sense for both parties.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the way I look at it is there's
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  Speaker 1: a certain comfort level with having a labor Torres in
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  Speaker 1: your lineup and at second base ish, yeah, we understand
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  Speaker 1: the defense, but like at the top of your lineup
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  Speaker 1: from the right side of the play, there's a comfort
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  Speaker 1: level of knowing like a like a floor for your
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  Speaker 1: expected offensive output that was really not gonna get replaced
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  Speaker 1: if he declined this option, like you were.
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  Speaker 2: Not going to.
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  Speaker 1: You were not going to fill the glabor Torres role,
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  Speaker 1: like as it's designed with anyone but glabor tors you
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  Speaker 1: were gonna have to kind of reimagine how you did
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  Speaker 1: how you did your lineup, which you know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of infield options out there that they could have
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  Speaker 1: figured it out, but this is like, this is something
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  Speaker 1: that feels a little bit more natural to how the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers want to kind of build around. And I I
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  Speaker 1: agreed with the logic that it made sense for him
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  Speaker 1: to come back all that stuff that you laid out,
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  Speaker 1: But the history of it, and this is something that
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  Speaker 1: other people just nationally have talked about, the history of
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  Speaker 1: accepting the qualifying offer is not great. And we had
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  Speaker 1: I would assume a record number of guys do it
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  Speaker 1: this year, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Fourteen since twenty twelve, and there were four this year,
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  Speaker 3: So some of that I think is just circumstantial. You
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  Speaker 3: had guys like Brandon Woodriff and Labor Torres where it
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  Speaker 3: just made sense that Trent Grishamn surprised me a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Some of it. I think maybe guys we're seeing teams
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  Speaker 3: really don't like to pay guys that have a qualifying
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  Speaker 3: offer attach. It seems like that's become a little more
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  Speaker 3: clear in recent offseason, so I think I think that
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  Speaker 3: plays a role too. Anything Labor, you can only get
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  Speaker 3: the qualifying offer once, so Labor will go to free
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  Speaker 3: agency next year with no qualifying offer attached, which should
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  Speaker 3: in theory help his market.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, I mean that's uh, that's also a
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  Speaker 1: really good note. So let's let's dive into sort of
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  Speaker 1: like a like a winner's losers deal, uh, from from
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  Speaker 1: the from Torres coming back and the you know, a
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  Speaker 1: winner you know at the top of the list here
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  Speaker 1: for me is Taurus Labor. He he comes back to
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  Speaker 1: a familiar situation. I think that's I think that's valuable
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  Speaker 1: for a guy who's you know, looking to get you know,
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  Speaker 1: a next payday or whatever. He comes into a you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a winning situations a team back to back in
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  Speaker 1: the ds UH in the American League, so that that's good.
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  Speaker 1: And also so he gets roughly a fifty percent pay bump,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, I've yet to do that in my career.
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  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, good good on him for forgetting that.
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  Speaker 1: I'll throw Hobby Bias in there as a winner, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, we know that they're boys. We know that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they they have a good off and on
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  Speaker 1: field connection and and Hobby will be a factor in
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six Tigers kind of to be determined,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll kind of, I guess kind of go through
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit too here in a second. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, good for him having one of his guys
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  Speaker 1: on there. It's a team, it's a team full of
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  Speaker 1: young dudes, and I'm sure Hobby likes having someone that's
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  Speaker 1: near thirty on the team that he can they can
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  Speaker 1: relate to a little bit more. Which again that's another
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  Speaker 1: thing too. I meant to mention earlier, Like last episode
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  Speaker 1: when we had Austin on, we talked about all the
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  Speaker 1: young at bats by twenty five and unders that was
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was something I wasn't necessarily prepared to
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  Speaker 1: stomach with another.
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  Speaker 2: Young one, which we'll get to in a second. And
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  Speaker 2: then also like this might be a little bit of a.
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  Speaker 1: Like a Tiger's culture win because I mentioned Jack Flaherty,
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  Speaker 1: you have Labor Torres decided to come back. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think either one of those guys do it with bad cultures.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's financial ramifications, I know there's all these
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  Speaker 1: other factors, but this is something that Scott Harris has
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  Speaker 1: repeated aj Hinch has repeatedly laid out as to what
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  Speaker 1: they want the team, like the team to be and
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  Speaker 1: what they want to be known as a place that
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  Speaker 1: you can come, succeed and get better. And these are
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  Speaker 1: in the case of Flarity a third time. Technically, these
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  Speaker 1: are two guys that twice decided three times in Flarity's case,
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  Speaker 1: to come back, to come and buy into this culture.
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  Speaker 1: So I think those those are winners there, and such
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  Speaker 1: a such a simple operation from a transactional standpoint, it's
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  Speaker 1: not really like a lot of losers.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you gotta throw the mcgonag'll thing in here.
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  Speaker 1: Co because the the cleanest path to McGonagall making the
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  Speaker 1: roster for opening day felt like him playing second base.
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  Speaker 1: Now that spot is occupied by a guy that Aj
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  Speaker 1: Hench said at the end of the season would fight him,
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  Speaker 1: probably somewhat joking if you ever took him out of
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  Speaker 1: the lineup. So now it's it is a more muddy
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  Speaker 1: situation there in terms of figuring out at pat for
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  Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall and slash the prospect promotion incentive structure there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm on record as saying I don't really think that
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  Speaker 1: should be like handicapping your operation from a major league team,
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  Speaker 1: because again, we just talked about all the young guys.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of guys come and struggle. You got win
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  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. It's pretty hard. So anyway, those
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  Speaker 1: are my winners and losers. What kind of stick sticks
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  Speaker 1: out to you from all that?
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  Speaker 3: I thought you said content creators were losers too.
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  Speaker 1: Content creators are losers, which we'll expand on that here
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  Speaker 1: in a second. We can't put ourselves first code. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get the team first and then we'll talk about the
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  Speaker 1: content creators.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'll hold off on the thought about
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  Speaker 3: what it means for Bregmant and all that. I think
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  Speaker 3: all your points are valid. The culture, I mean, sure,
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  Speaker 3: they just came back because they love Detroit, right, like
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  Speaker 3: school will probably give the Tigers the old whole hometown discount, right, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: no economics rule decision making. But coming back to a
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  Speaker 3: place these players felt comfortable isn't nothing either. I think
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  Speaker 3: you're very much right on McGonagle, which we'll also get to.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it excludes him from making the opening
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  Speaker 3: day roster, but the path and the whole puzzle gets
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  Speaker 3: even harder, even more complicated. That's kind of what I
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  Speaker 3: keep saying. It goes the Glabor Torres return, I think
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  Speaker 3: is for the twenty twenty six Tigers. It makes fitting
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  Speaker 3: together the rest of the puzzle, or the puzzle that
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  Speaker 3: Tigers X would probably like to see be the opening
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  Speaker 3: day roster, makes that a little bit more difficult.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to get to some other ramifications and
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  Speaker 1: why Cody and I are kind of losers of this
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  Speaker 1: tour's decision and what it's going to mean for us
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  Speaker 1: in the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, So you know I had
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  Speaker 1: not to not to make it all about me, but
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  Speaker 1: I had like notes about like, all right, how are
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  Speaker 1: you gonna, you know, replace Torres? Here, here's like option A,
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  Speaker 1: Option B, Option C, Like let's let's hash this out.
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  Speaker 1: He accepts the qualifying offer and all that work is
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  Speaker 1: for nothing. So content producers, we could have done episodes
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  Speaker 1: after episode about like how to reshape this infield and
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  Speaker 1: now it's at least half seems like it's already kind
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  Speaker 1: of kind of in place. So so in a way
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  Speaker 1: we are losings for that. But the real question is
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  Speaker 1: Cody the Bregman stuff is money, Like that's like a
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of a pun there where for for content
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  Speaker 1: and you know presumably what his contract will be. Are
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  Speaker 1: we going to be out of I say we as
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  Speaker 1: in you and I doing this podcast? Are we going
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  Speaker 1: to be out of the Bregman speculation sweepstakes? With this
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  Speaker 1: move the Tigers bringing back toars just over twenty two million.
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  Speaker 3: I would love nothing more than to be out of
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  Speaker 3: the Bregman speculation sweepstakes. It's been the most all consuming
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  Speaker 3: storylines ever. No, I don't think we necessarily are. I
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  Speaker 3: mean I think that's or at least that's the single
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  Speaker 3: most interesting question. Right. Does the return of Glabor Torres
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  Speaker 3: mean the Tigers aren't going to go after Alex Bregman
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  Speaker 3: or maybe any other big ticket free agent and fielder
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  Speaker 3: that questions out there. In an attempt to answer that question,
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  Speaker 3: I tried to draw out the ideal Tiger's Twitter lineup.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe not the ideal, but a lineup that has Glabor Torres,
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  Speaker 3: Alex Bregman, and Kevin McGonagall. So this is kind of
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  Speaker 3: a rough sketch, but here's what something could look like
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  Speaker 3: against right handed pitching. Labor's planing, so Bregman's playing third.
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  Speaker 3: You better be comfortable with Kevin McGonagall playing a lot
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  Speaker 3: of shortstop. That's a little bit of a question. But
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  Speaker 3: if you are here, you go here.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 3: What that means, You're don't have to take a player
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  Speaker 3: you like off the roster, maybe a Jami Jones, a
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  Speaker 3: Winsel Perez, a Matt Vierling, a Parker Meadows, Trey Sweeney
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  Speaker 3: for sure. But then you look at what this looks like.
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  Speaker 3: I'd recommend clicking on YouTube if you're able to Glabor Torres,
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  Speaker 3: Kerry Carpenter, Alex Bregman, Riley Green, Spencer Torkle saying Cole, Keith,
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Dingler, Kevin McGonagall, Parker Meadows. That's kind of a
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  Speaker 3: nice lineup against right handed pitching. I look at this,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, yeah, they could do it. You'd have
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  Speaker 3: McKinstry on the bench. He wouldn't play as much but
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  Speaker 3: could still help out Hovey in a utility role. Probably
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  Speaker 3: what he's best suited for, Jake Rogers, and then Matt
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  Speaker 3: Vierling or someone else in a reserve role kind of
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  Speaker 3: like it. So it's not necessarily impossible until you start
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  Speaker 3: thinking what does this look like against left handed pitching?
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  Speaker 3: There are certainly some questions, most notably like who's going
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  Speaker 3: to DH for this purpose? I put Glaber at DH,
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  Speaker 3: and you could have McKinstry play second where he played
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  Speaker 3: only at six games, or McGonagall. I don't have McGonagall
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  Speaker 3: starting against lefties. Maybe he could. The moral of this story,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to do a couple things you are
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  Speaker 3: uncomfortable with, I think against lefties. And again, this roster,
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  Speaker 3: I don't have Jami Jones on it. I didn't get
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  Speaker 3: in an ideal world my Jones at an eight what
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  Speaker 3: was his final ops against lefties? Like eight ninety or more?
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  Speaker 3: I don't even remember. I know it was really good.
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  Speaker 3: He's not on this roster, so that's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of I don't know if it's a problem because you
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  Speaker 3: got Alex Briggman. But the more I look at this,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure the Tigers would be willing to part
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  Speaker 3: with the Jami Jones or option wintle Perez simply to
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  Speaker 3: accommodate McGonagall. So the answer as I look at this,
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  Speaker 3: they could certainly sign Bregman, but the chances of Bregman
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  Speaker 3: and Kevin McGonagall both being on the opening day roster
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  Speaker 3: I think take a sizeable hit with the return of
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  Speaker 3: Glabor Torres. So then it's like, how convicted are they
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  Speaker 3: in McGonagall. Would they still put McGonagall on the roster
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  Speaker 3: and not go sign anyone else, or would you just
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  Speaker 3: be content to leave McGonagall in the minors for as
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  Speaker 3: long as it takes, maybe even leave him there until
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  Speaker 3: very late in the season so he remains prospect, promotion
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  Speaker 3: and cinevaligible. That's a little bit of a gamble, I think.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's also the question is Boba Schett maybe
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  Speaker 3: a more natural fit because he can play shortstop, which
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  Speaker 3: is a bigger need. Do you feel good he can
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  Speaker 3: play short stop? I think that question certainly comes into
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  Speaker 3: the fold two. You could still go get Bregnant, but
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  Speaker 3: he might not be the most natural fit In terms
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  Speaker 3: of trying to construct this. You know thirteen man roster
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  Speaker 3: where everyone gets usage that we've become accustomed to in Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: So Jamai Jones, for the record, had a nine to
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  Speaker 1: seventy ops versus lefties.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think he's going to be off this roster.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Scott Harris has taking him off the roster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, that so that's the thing. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I hope it's a lot better to see if you're
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  Speaker 1: watching this on YouTube. I know we plug that a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but like it really does give a good visual aid.
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  Speaker 1: I just am not in favor, like right now, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just not in favor of forcing McGonagall on this roster.
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  Speaker 1: Does that like make like does that make me like
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  Speaker 1: a bad baseball mine?
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  Speaker 3: Like if he I think it makes a lot more
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  Speaker 3: sense now that we have some clarity.
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  Speaker 1: On Glabor and he has not played in Triple A
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  Speaker 1: and and all these like lineups, and like I've seen
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  Speaker 1: some people say, like everyone's got to get comfortable with
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  Speaker 1: the idea of like he might be like you're mostly
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  Speaker 1: every day shortstop or whatever next season, which, again, if
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  Speaker 1: he earns it and he's ready, I'm good with it.
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  Speaker 2: But like if you're if.
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  Speaker 1: You're going into the season saying like ooh, we gotta
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  Speaker 1: find a way to get McGonagall on this roster. I
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  Speaker 1: just like, how how we just went through a long
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  Speaker 1: rebuild with all these highly touted prospects and they all,
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  Speaker 1: to some extent, some greater than others, struggled when they
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  Speaker 1: get to the major leagues and have to face major
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  Speaker 1: league pitching, especially when major league pitching adjusts to them.
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  Speaker 1: And now you're sort of sacrificing a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: like ideal roster construction to put McGonagall on the major
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  Speaker 1: league roster for the like, I don't know, dude, like
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  Speaker 1: ten eight percent chance that he wins rookie ye, you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I just I just feel
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: like that doesn't that just doesn't mesh well with how
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I deem like seriously trying to go contend and win
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: a division and dance further in the playoffs than you
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: have the previous two years. And this is like nothing
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: against McGonagall. I've been as excited about him since they
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: drafted him as anybody, But right now, I just don't
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: think it makes major league sense to force him on
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the opening day roster. If he earns it, he earns it,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: But this like assumption, I think I just think that's
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: too far that the stakes are too high. I guess
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to.
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  Speaker 2: For me.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: The stakes are too high to just have to have
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: him on the roster. That's how I look at.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think we should underrate the defensive aspect of
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it either. The Tigers did somewhat show when they signed
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Glaber last year that infield defense is not their top priority.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: It sure seems they value outfield defense way more than
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: they do infield defense, which makes sense. You're dogging doubles
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: in triples as opposed to singles. But if you're up
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the middle is Kevin McGonagall and Labor Torres, you are
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: defensively weak up the middle. Even if McGonagall is able
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: to man shortstop, I don't think no one thinks he's
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: gonna be plus there. You're hoping he's good enough to
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: play there, and Torres is a minus at second. I
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: mean the same can easily apply with Boba Schett, who
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: was one of the worst defensive shortstops in the league,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: if not the worst, this past year, but especially with
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: a young player and trying to make him fit on
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: this roster. And I'm not saying he shouldn't be on there.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying as I spell this out, like I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: feel worse about it than I did before I wrote
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: out that roster.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: And another thing too, when it's one of those things
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that like I'm glad you did the exercise, and I'm
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: glad that you're talking about it because like doing like
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: physically riding it down or typing it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: We live in a digital age, you know, typing it out.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It actually makes you kind of have to make those
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: decisions that the Tigers brass like, is it it is
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: going to spend the next several months.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Vincel Perez on this roster Winsel Pears
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: was really good winsa Pears at third for the Tigers
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: and a Winter or Go Home playoff game, So.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm I'm not even like like we could critique
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: this till the cows come home.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, what do you think about this? This
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: this thing?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: The point is tough decisions will have to be made,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: including the Jami Jones and Perez. I don't think anyone's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: gonna sweat over Trey Sweeney, but you know, like how
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: much do you trust Matt viri Ling, Like, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: there's all these things that we could like that we
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: could go through.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: But at the same time.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: There's if if you insist on you can't insist, in
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: my opinion, on these two things.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: You can't insist that the Tigers like spend.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: On a Bushett or on a h or on a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Bregman like this offseason, because you know, the Tigers have
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the ability to spend money and they should, and insists
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: that McGonagall with all of zero Triple A played appearances,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: is on this league roster for the off shot that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: he earns you an extra like first round draft pick.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I just don't think those two things are compatible right now.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: If you want to say, look, the Tigers are all
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: about developing young guys, so it's better it's better in
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the long term to bring up McGonagall and and pass
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: on the Bregmans and the Buschets. That's okay, Like, I'm
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: cool with you having that lane. I just don't think
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you can straddle it here. That's that's just how That's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: just how I look at it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Does that relate at all to what happens with one
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Trek School?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I mean I feel like everything relates to Trek School,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: right right. Take care of Bregman, Boris Boris you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: feels a little bit better about about dealing with this
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: new version of Tiger's brass. Uh which uh Jeff. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you know I should mention that Jeff Passon did put
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: in his little notebook to I say little, it is
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a long notebook that the Tigers, well, I believe I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: think the quote was rejoined the Fray for Regmann Services.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So now that's obviously a note And then when it
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: comes to like Schooble and trade market stuff, it's still
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the same where it's like, oh, no one really knows
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: if they are actually interested in trading him, and but
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: they might if there's some great offer. So there's your
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: there's your contractually obligated weekly Schooble trade market update, Cody.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought it up so we could
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: get that out of there. Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I think another thing to consider when talking about hitting.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I think maybe this this offseason it's like, what is
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the equivalent of the Glabor Torres move, something no one
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: really saw coming, something a little bit outside the box.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think we should forget that. The Tigers seem
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: to like that stuff. So maybe there's another out of
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the box solution with this lineup. I wonder maybe, especially
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: on this pitching staff, I would keep an eye out.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Is there something we're not thinking of? Is there a
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: starter you could convert to a closer type. Is they're
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: a reliever, like I've seen a lot of relievers Michael
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Kingby and one of them, Seth Lugo others to convert
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: to starting with great success in recent years. Well, maybe
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: instead of paying some guy a bajillion dollars, they'll identify
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: someone they could make a creative decision like that with.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I think that's a thought we should start chewing on
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a little bit more.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, like I I tend to believe like
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: if you're allocating resources money, like you know, pay payroll,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, I would rather kind of get creative
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and possibly cheaper for lack of a better term, with pitching,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: given what the Tigers have in the front office and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff, than with them with position players, specifically hitters,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: because I just feel like there's a there's a little
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: bit more of you kind of are who you are
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: with with these guys that hit free agency.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe so I guess we should talk about these other
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: four man moves because that's kind of relevant there. Remember
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty four playoffs, when Jason Foley and
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Sean Gunther were massive components. You're a bullpen. They guys
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: now off the roster, as is Alex Lang Bowbrisk. He's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: still probably hanging on by a thread on the forty man,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: which is at forty. The Tigers protected five guys from
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: the Rule five draft. That's Trey Cruz, how you Lee,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Edwardo Valencia, Tyron Lorenzo, and Jake Miller. I viewed Lee
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and Lorenzo as locks. Don't rush to conclusions. Wait for
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: the whole news to come. Olex. People were acting like
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: they were going to be off it. That was never
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the case. Trey Cruz a mild surprise. I think he
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: had a really nice year to put himself back on
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the map. He's a versatile player, certainly seems like a
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: type the Tigers really like. But would someone of else,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: someone else have taken him, I don't know. Edward of
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: he has kind of similar had a terrific year. Was
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: an elite minor league hitter, but he's a catcher who's
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: really probably better suited for first base. Is he really
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: going to play in the big leagues? Is he worth
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: a forty man spot, would someone of else, someone else
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: have taken him. I think that was a hard call.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: So it seems to me like a vote of confidence
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: in Valencia that he made this. And then Jake Miller,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: probably a guy who hasn't been talked about enough, along
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: with Andrew Sears, probably part of the next wave of
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: pitching prospects, who and Troy Watson who might be primed
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: to impact the major league team next year, so all deserving.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And then the guy's Dfad, Doug and Darnell two first
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: names to two last names. Whatever's going on there too,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: s friends, it is far too soon, Jack Little too soon, Tygler, Madison, Tanner, Rainey.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: So but the thing to note here is the forty
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: man's getting pretty full. I think the Tigers are going
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: to bring in a starter, multiple relief, maybe one more
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: position player like that's probably at minimum. So you have
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: some more difficult forty man spots ahead. Chase Lee, bow Brisky, gosh,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: who else is kind of at risk as we move forward.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: We haven't really talked about Andy A.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Bonyez I would consider very likely to get nontened, non
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: tendered unfortunately, And it's getting to the point where, like
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: how long is Jahen and Jace Young safe? You know
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: guys who once upon a time where the future suddenly
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: they're a little bit at risk. Bailey Horn probably, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: hanging on a little bit. Drew Summers. So interesting decisions
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: ahead on all fronts.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I look at that. I was.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised at Trey Cruz. Guy added, because
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that's a guy that you know, he's you just look
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: at his baseball reference page.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: He's obviously been through it. He turns twenty eight in July.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Cody, he is not young, So like this makes me
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: think there's like a plan for him where they envision him,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you know, playing a part in the twenty twenty sixth season.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Obviously.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: You know Lee is also you know, someone that figures
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: at some point like to be one of the first
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: names to to get to get called up. And then
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you know our boy Tyrone Loronzo.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I would say a lot of the shine is off
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: him from a prospect perspective, but the upside is too great.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It's you just don't want to give up that lottery
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: ticket or get take a chance of giving up that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: lottery ticket. So it all kind of tracks there, and then,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's all pitchers there that are DFA
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: because this is this is kind of the game.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: This is how the Fully one surprise me more than
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Alex Ling a few years. Sure, I mean Fully I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: think was good for a longer stretch at better command.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Was a massive, massive part of your bullpen during a
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: playoff run. Don't have the full information. Yeah, they really
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: missed him, but a shoulder injury. I would assume they
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: just weren't feeling great about his recovery or how able
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: he would be to return to form, especially they're gonna
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: have to pay him a little bit more via arbitration.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: But still still somewhat surprised in that one. I guess speculation,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna say that's probably a reflection of whatever's
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: going on with his shoulder.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So we'll see, uh, you know, if any of these
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: names kind of pop up again in our path or
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in you know, with some other teams or whatever. So
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm I'm curious about tray Cruz, I'm curious
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: about Lee, but even talk about him as being a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: potential loser of the tourist situation, because that takes away
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: potentially like a competition spot for him. So, uh so
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: we'll see a lot of faith labor Torres. Yeah, you know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we we we didn't really talk about how he was
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: first half. The second half, everybody kind of knows. Well,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: hopefully the hernia thing will be behind him, and uh
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and and like I said, now the lineup feels a
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: lot more complete and you don't have to kind of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: extend yourself.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: With moves this offseason. So we'll see.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: We'll see if they're you know, what they what they
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do with some of the other bigger fish and free agency,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: because I think they're capable of it. And maybe this
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: becomes somewhat of a I want to.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Say all in but like you know, we're we're tired.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Of, you know, being game five of the Alds uh reaction.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So we'll see, we'll see Cody.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: All right, we will see. I'm I don't know. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: just don't think they're going to totally change their ways,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: right just because they made the playoffs two years in
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: a row. That's that's kind of my prevailing thought.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Trust the process, don't fall in love with the process,
• 29:55
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