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Credlin | 11 November · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peedo Kranbland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: It's November eleven, Remembrance Day, lest we forget. Tonight the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister accused of rewriting history fifty years on from
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  Speaker 3: the Whitlam dismissal in Cameberra. Last night he delivered a
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  Speaker 3: classless speech, historically clueless as well, full of Labour's spin,
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  Speaker 3: glaring emissions and factual errors. I'll dig into his remarks
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  Speaker 3: and the true history in a moment while the Liberals
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  Speaker 3: consume themselves with their energy debate. Tonight, I'll bring you
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  Speaker 3: the reality of net zero with the dairy farmer in
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  Speaker 3: his community fighting against a massive battery farm. And he's
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  Speaker 3: exactly the type of person these liberal moderates need to
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  Speaker 3: listen to, rather than the echo chamber of inner city
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  Speaker 3: elites plass In what could prove a landmark test case,
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  Speaker 3: a breastfeeding experts fighting a qalification plate brought by a
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  Speaker 3: trans woman so biological man after she questioned her ability
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  Speaker 3: to safely breastfeed her child. I'll speak to Jasmine Sussex
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  Speaker 3: in a moment, the woman at the center of that storm,
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  Speaker 3: and ask her why she's so determined to take this
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  Speaker 3: all the way and as Liberal MP's head back to
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  Speaker 3: Canberra for tomorrow's big net zero meeting, former soldier Queensland
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  Speaker 3: Liberal MP Phil Thompson, he's not happy.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen now people threaten to quit positions and throw
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  Speaker 4: their toys out of the cot once again the Liberal
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  Speaker 4: Party talking about itself and to you know, those people
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  Speaker 4: who want to threaten to quit, then quit. You're not
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  Speaker 4: that important anyway. We need to get on with the job,
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  Speaker 4: which is creating an alternative alternative for what this government
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  Speaker 4: is and to make sure that we're putting our best
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  Speaker 4: policies forward.
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  Speaker 3: But geez, I love that plane speaking first. You've got
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  Speaker 3: to Hannah to lay it, don't you have nothing else?
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  Speaker 3: They can push a big lie, and the bigger the lie,
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  Speaker 3: the less factually based it is the better. While the
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  Speaker 3: rest of us know today the eleventh of November is
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  Speaker 3: the day we remember the fall and if you're a
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  Speaker 3: labor true believer, November eleven, nineteen seventy five was the
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  Speaker 3: day Australian democracy died, at least temporarily, and fifty years on,
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  Speaker 3: the Labor LEF still maintains its rage over the Whitlam dismissal.
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  Speaker 3: Never want to let the truth get in the way
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  Speaker 3: of his unis judent nearer Hatred's The Prime Minister delivered
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  Speaker 3: a speech last night at Old Parliament House that has
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  Speaker 3: today been reported as quote an extraordinary attack, a divisive
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  Speaker 3: intervention on the dismissal, and a scorching speech.
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  Speaker 5: Make no mistake. November the eleventh, nineteen seventy five was
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  Speaker 5: not a constitutional crisis. It was a partisan political ambush.
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  Speaker 5: There was no real precedent and no legitimate pretext. The
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  Speaker 5: dismissal was a calculated plot hatched by concenterservative forces which
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  Speaker 5: sacrifice conventions and institutions in the pursuit of power.
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  Speaker 3: I mean ambush, calculated plot. I mean this is the
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  Speaker 3: stuff of conspiracy theories. But he didn't stop.
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  Speaker 5: And the result of the election that followed does not
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  Speaker 5: wash away any of that.
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  Speaker 3: In our things, Histralian people were in on it. That
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  Speaker 3: voters were part of the plot. I mean the left
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  Speaker 3: love to rewrite history when the electoral reality can't be buried,
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  Speaker 3: can't be lost over. After being sent to the polls
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  Speaker 3: with the dismissal of Whitlam, voters got their chance.
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  Speaker 2: To deliver a verdict on three years.
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  Speaker 3: Of Whitlam chaos and you know what, they elected Malcolm
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  Speaker 3: Fraser's Liberal Party in a landslide and talk about an
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  Speaker 3: inconvenient truth Prime Minister for all that we was Rob's
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  Speaker 3: staff and spled on display from you last night and
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  Speaker 3: a speech I have to say that no prime minister
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  Speaker 3: worthy of the name should ever have made. The reality
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  Speaker 3: is that Phraser's win was the second biggest two party
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  Speaker 3: preferred vote illustraight his history.
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  Speaker 2: Rather than vote golf.
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  Speaker 3: Back in the Australian electorate, they buried him. But to
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  Speaker 3: the man who once said he lives to fight Tories,
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  Speaker 3: this was all a giant conspiracy.
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  Speaker 5: The opposition orchestrated a parliamentary good luck over the budget
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  Speaker 5: and then secretly prevailed upon the Governor General to break
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  Speaker 5: it by sacking the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 3: This petulant outburst over events half a century old now
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  Speaker 3: shows how fake is the cultivated image of the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the road prime minister. Yet the fact that most Australians'
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  Speaker 3: folk memory of the dismissal probably is that it was
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  Speaker 3: some kind of viceregal coup shows the power of the
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  Speaker 3: left's myth making. The lefts ongoing hypocrisy. The Senate had
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  Speaker 3: a constitutional right to reject money bills, as Labor has
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  Speaker 3: always asserted when it was in opposition. Indeed, Gough Whitlam
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  Speaker 3: himself made this very point on the floor of the
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  Speaker 3: House of Representatives, and the opposition were perfectly entitled to
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  Speaker 3: force a bad government to an early election, especially after
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  Speaker 3: a string of scandals, particularly the infamous Camliney Loan's affair,
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  Speaker 3: a dodgy attempt to classify a four billion dollar loan
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  Speaker 3: repayable over twenty years as supposedly for temporary purposes, made
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  Speaker 3: worse by the sackings that followed.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Treasurer Jim Cans and.
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  Speaker 3: The Resources Minister Rex Connor for pursuing this loan after
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  Speaker 3: their legal authority to do so was withdrawn. Then there
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  Speaker 3: was the attempt to raise Labor party funds, yes that's right,
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  Speaker 3: party funds from the Iraqi government, and the biggest three
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  Speaker 3: year increase of the size of the federal government in
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  Speaker 3: peacetime his way from nineteen percent to twenty five percent
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  Speaker 3: of GDP. Inflation back then was running at seventeen percent.
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  Speaker 3: It's around three percent now and you know it's hurting.
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  Speaker 3: So imagine the household paying then it's seventeen percent. And
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  Speaker 3: yet it's hardly surprising that economic management was such a casualty,
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  Speaker 3: given Whitlam had three different treasurers within twelve months. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't hear any of that last night in the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister's speech as he tried to rewrite history, announcing
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  Speaker 3: that his government would be spending your money to erect
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  Speaker 3: a statue in Whitlam's honor in Canberra. As I said,
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  Speaker 3: Labor is shameless when it comes to pushing the big lie,
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  Speaker 3: and they have no shame in a hypocrisy either then
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  Speaker 3: or now. For the record, here has got Whitlam on
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  Speaker 3: the twenty fifth of August nineteen seventy as Opposition leader
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  Speaker 3: speaking on the budget.
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  Speaker 2: In reply, this is on the floor of the House
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  Speaker 2: of Reps.
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  Speaker 3: And he says, and I quote, let me make it
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  Speaker 3: clear at the outset that our opposition to this budget
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  Speaker 3: is non mere formality. We intend to press our opposition
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  Speaker 3: by all available means on all related measures in both houses.
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  Speaker 3: If the motion is defeated, he said, we will vote
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  Speaker 3: against the bills.
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  Speaker 2: Here and in the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: Our purpose is to destroy this budget and to destroy
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  Speaker 3: the government which has sponsored it.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Earlier, on June twelve, nineteen seventy, Whitlam had said, and
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  Speaker 3: I quote, any government which is defeated by the Parliament
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  Speaker 3: on a major taxation bill should resign. This bill will
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  Speaker 3: be defeated in another place. The government should then resign.
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  Speaker 3: So okay if Labour threatens it. But a political ambush
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  Speaker 3: when it's done to them. But that's not the worst
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  Speaker 3: of Labour's hypocrisy, if you know your political history. When
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  Speaker 3: that same bill that Whitlam said should be defeated once
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  Speaker 3: it reached the Senate, when it arrived in the Senate,
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  Speaker 3: the then Senate opposite leader, the one Lionel Murthy. Later,
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  Speaker 3: of course, the Attorney in General for whitlermen ending up
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  Speaker 3: of course as a High Court judge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he got to his.
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  Speaker 3: Feet and he tabled this in the handside, and he
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  Speaker 3: said it I quote.
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  Speaker 2: Here is a.
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  Speaker 3: List of the measures of an economic or financial nature,
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  Speaker 3: including taxation and appropriation bills, which have been opposed by
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  Speaker 3: this opposition by a vote in the Senate since nineteen
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  Speaker 3: fifty now wait fred linel Birthy's list ran to one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty nine separate occasions where the Labor Party
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  Speaker 3: had opposed money bills in the Senate. So why are
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  Speaker 3: the manufactured outrage when Fraser's Liberal Party did to Whitlam
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  Speaker 3: what Labour had already done itself in the Senate to
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  Speaker 3: the Conservatives one hundred and sixty nine times.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 3: It's simple, elected on a promise have been new and
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  Speaker 3: modern and progressive. The Whitlam government was a trade wreck.
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  Speaker 3: The goth experiment had failed.
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  Speaker 2: And GoF knew it.
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  Speaker 3: He knew that he'd lose any election. Hence he tried
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  Speaker 3: to portray what was a valid parliamentary tactic as an
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  Speaker 3: assault on democracy. What this fifty year anniversary confirms, what
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's speech last night put up in lights,
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  Speaker 3: is that the Labor Party sense of victimhood is real
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  Speaker 3: and it is absolutely ready to use conspiracy claims to
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  Speaker 3: explain away its own failings. Then and now. Maybe the
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  Speaker 3: Governor General could have warned Whitlam that unless he agreed
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  Speaker 3: to an election, he might have to exercise his reserve powers,
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  Speaker 3: but that risked a petulant Whitlam trying to have the
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  Speaker 3: Governor get in General sacked, involving, of course, the Queen
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  Speaker 3: in the crisis, or even to have him arrested, as
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  Speaker 3: Paul Keating has just said should have happened. With money
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  Speaker 3: to keep the government about to run out, and with
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  Speaker 3: neither Malcolm Fraser backing down nor Whitlam advising an election,
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  Speaker 3: the dismissal of the obdurate Prime Minister and the commissioning
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  Speaker 3: of a caretaker who could secure supply so that the
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  Speaker 3: people could have the election and the people could be
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  Speaker 3: the decision makers was the best way to resolve the crisis.
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  Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy five, the Senate has never blocked a
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  Speaker 3: supply bill, although the constitutional power to do so remains
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  Speaker 3: in place to this very day, and Labour's never ever
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  Speaker 3: tried to remove it. Whenever Labor cries foul over the
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  Speaker 3: removal of Whitlam, just remember this truth. It wasn't the
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  Speaker 3: Governor General that removed him. It was the Australian people
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  Speaker 3: that threw Whitlam out in nineteen seventy five when they
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  Speaker 3: elected Malcolm Fraser, and in nineteen seventy seven when Whitlain
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  Speaker 3: was once again on the ballot paper, not once, not once,
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  Speaker 3: but twice. And that's what really really, It's a way.
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  Speaker 6: Labor been sleepy brought down to your nies we've last
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  Speaker 6: a line of.
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  Speaker 2: Living in the dark.
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  Speaker 6: Of these three we can look too had the future
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  Speaker 6: and the way things are the turn on the lights Australia,
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  Speaker 6: it's up to you and me. Turn on the lights.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll live again.
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  Speaker 6: Turn on the lights for Australia, and turn on the
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  Speaker 6: lights and we'll live again. Turn on the lights Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It's what's up to you and me, and turn them on.
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  Speaker 3: They did, as Tender Cameron Now for Tonight's political headlines
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  Speaker 3: skuy News election analyst Tom Connell.
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  Speaker 7: The push to ditch net zero within the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 7: has been gaining momentum, but it's also stiffened some spines
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  Speaker 7: within Progressive MPs who were saying net zero needs to
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  Speaker 7: remain part of party policy in some form.
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  Speaker 8: One of the most bizarre things that has happened in
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  Speaker 8: the past week is that people seem comfortable with the
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  Speaker 8: idea that we should abandon sovereign targets for Australia.
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  Speaker 7: Added to the mix for Susan Lee this warning from
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  Speaker 7: Keith Wallahan, who lost his Urban Melbourne seat at the
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  Speaker 7: last election.
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  Speaker 9: Whether we like it or not, net zero has become
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  Speaker 9: a proxy for climate change.
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  Speaker 7: Dire polling for the coalition has a resulted in questions
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  Speaker 7: being asked by some about Susan Lee being in charge,
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  Speaker 7: but others urging her to take charge leadership.
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  Speaker 8: And that's what I'm looking for out of this next
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  Speaker 8: few days leadership.
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  Speaker 7: Is she the right leader to go forward for the
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  Speaker 7: Liberal Party?
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  Speaker 8: Well, as I said already, that's what I'm looking for
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  Speaker 8: in the next coming day.
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  Speaker 7: Angus Taylor was also cagey when asked about his leadership ambitions.
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  Speaker 9: It's not something we're planning, it's not something I'm focused on.
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  Speaker 7: But on Remembrance Day, it's the words of a former
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  Speaker 7: soldier which have cut through the most.
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  Speaker 4: I've now can't spend it with loved ones, my friends,
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  Speaker 4: whose families of my mates who have been killed in action,
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  Speaker 4: because I've got to get on a bloody plane to
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  Speaker 4: fly back to Canberra to talk about something that we
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  Speaker 4: should have resolved months ago.
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  Speaker 7: And as the nation honored it's fallen heroes from wars
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  Speaker 7: in the past, outgoing RSL President Greg Mellick warned the
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  Speaker 7: Defense Minister that we might not be ready to defend
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  Speaker 7: ourselves in wars in the future.
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  Speaker 10: Our Defense miner is se keenly aware of the issues
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  Speaker 10: facing his portfolio. So the challenge before him is to
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  Speaker 10: convince his colleagues to rebalance our priorities otherwise of future
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  Speaker 10: remembrance daugh ceremes. We may well regret the conflict we
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  Speaker 10: didn't deter.
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  Speaker 7: Tom connells, Sky News Canberra, right, do mean.
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  Speaker 3: Now our Sky Political editor Andrew Clannel and it will
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  Speaker 3: start with your thoughts on that speech last night from
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister. Of course, yesterday was about the Whitlam dismissal.
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  Speaker 3: That anniversary is today. I've gone through all the historical
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  Speaker 3: happenings at the time, the facts, what was in the handside,
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  Speaker 3: A lot of revisionism known from the Prime minister and
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  Speaker 3: I tell you what you know they blocked supply labored
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  Speaker 3: it one hundred and seventy times, but you know today
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  Speaker 3: it's all a conspiracy. What did you make of his
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  Speaker 3: remarks last night?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think the PM was twelve when the dismissal happened,
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  Speaker 9: So I'm glad he's so confident on the history of
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  Speaker 9: what happened. But I mean you'd expect that that's what
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  Speaker 9: labor people think, right, So you know it's still controversial
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  Speaker 9: the fact dismissed. No, I'm well aware of that. I'm
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  Speaker 9: just saying that he's echoing what labor people think. And
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  Speaker 9: it's interesting when you get when you win ninety four
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  Speaker 9: seats and you're so far ahead in the polls, this
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  Speaker 9: is where the hubris can come crashing through and cause
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  Speaker 9: you some trouble down the track, and he wants to
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  Speaker 9: watch it on this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's not a dignified speech. I leave
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  Speaker 3: that there, though. Let's go to the Liberal Party's party
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  Speaker 3: room meeting tomorrow. I make the point some people say
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  Speaker 3: it's a joint party room. It is not, doesn't include
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  Speaker 3: the National Party, it's just Liberals. We know there's a
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  Speaker 3: whole series of meetings over the next few days. Very
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  Speaker 3: interesting that those comments from Tim Wilson, and he's basically
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  Speaker 3: putting Susan Lee unnoticed. He wants to see leadership from her.
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  Speaker 3: I suspect others are dodging around it, but he was
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  Speaker 3: quite pointed there. It seems to be from whatever camp
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  Speaker 3: they're in, whether they want net zero, where they want
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  Speaker 3: to scrap net zero, where they want this halfway house
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  Speaker 3: of aspiration. It's becoming a question of her leadership as
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  Speaker 3: everyone sort of ducking and weaving on this I.
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  Speaker 9: Think she's hardly got a friend in the party to
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  Speaker 9: be frank. She might have Anne Rusten, she might have
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  Speaker 9: Alex Hawk. We had Melissa McIntosh on Politics Now today
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  Speaker 9: and she talked about leadership ambitions in the future. Tim
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  Speaker 9: Wilson wants to be leader. You know, all these other
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  Speaker 9: characters want to be leader, and I guess what their
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  Speaker 9: pole ratings are so low and she makes mistakes. They've
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  Speaker 9: got an environment where that can occur. Having said that,
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  Speaker 9: I think she will negotiate this week, okay, because those
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  Speaker 9: who want to take a job want this resolved so
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  Speaker 9: they don't have to deal with it if they do
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  Speaker 9: take a job.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you think they'll land? I mean to talk
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  Speaker 3: to you two questions there, Where do you think they
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  Speaker 3: will land? And are we going to get clean air
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  Speaker 3: at the end of this week? Are we going to
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  Speaker 3: get a decision at least from the Liberals.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we'll get a decision and be very similar to
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  Speaker 9: the Nationals. So I think it's just sort of a
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  Speaker 9: cake and eat it too scenario. But it's not much
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  Speaker 9: different from the Nationals policy. A lot of the commentators
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  Speaker 9: and reporters have sort of missed this, but I keep
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  Speaker 9: reporting it Peter, the National's position is to stay in
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  Speaker 9: the Paris Agreement but to ditch net zero. Now some
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  Speaker 9: might argue that doesn't really align, but that's the position,
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  Speaker 9: and that's the position the Liberals will take. And the
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  Speaker 9: Morels then say, oh, we've got a bit of a
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  Speaker 9: win because we stay in the Paris Agreement. But that's
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  Speaker 9: the National's position. And the reason they say you can
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  Speaker 9: do that is because it's net zero globally by twenty
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  Speaker 9: one hundred. You might recall John Howard and the Coato
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  Speaker 9: Protoco I covered that at the time he actually secured
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  Speaker 9: an agreement that Australia had special dispensation because of the
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  Speaker 9: nature of our country, that he could increase emissions just
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  Speaker 9: by a certain amount, not to grease them. So they'll argue,
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  Speaker 9: within the frame, we can stay in the framework of
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  Speaker 9: the Global Agreement but not have net zero, and they
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  Speaker 9: just want to remove the words net zero. So it's
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  Speaker 9: one national set to me today, and I think they're right.
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  Speaker 9: The Liberals will ask for a couple more concessions on
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  Speaker 9: emissions and they will get that from the Nationals, and
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  Speaker 9: then again they'll be able to say, oh, we got
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  Speaker 9: a little win.
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  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 9: They're basically adopting the Nationals policy, which shows how much
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  Speaker 9: of a mistake it was for Susan Lee to leave
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  Speaker 9: this so long and set up this review when blind
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  Speaker 9: Freddie could have seen that essentially the Nats we're going
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  Speaker 9: to ditch zero. I mean I was reporting it from
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  Speaker 9: the very time that the coalition split, straight up to
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  Speaker 9: the election. I kept reporting the Nationals are going to
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  Speaker 9: ditch net zero. So if I knew it, how could
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  Speaker 9: Susan Lee not have known it. This was the time
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  Speaker 9: when as a leader, she should have got and met
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  Speaker 9: David Little Proud and said let's work this out together
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  Speaker 9: and come up with a joint position.
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  Speaker 1: That didn't happen. She went for this process.
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  Speaker 9: You have your process, we'll have our process, and now
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  Speaker 9: it looks like the Nationals are setting policy and that
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  Speaker 9: makes her look weak.
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  Speaker 3: The political handling your points, they're incredibly well made, and
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  Speaker 3: I agree with them. There is a new once though
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  Speaker 3: on the issue about net zero and the Paris Agreement.
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  Speaker 3: So I was Abbot's chief of staff when the coalitions sign.
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  Speaker 2: The Paris Agreement.
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  Speaker 3: The Paris Agreement is aspirational only, it's non binding. It
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  Speaker 3: runs out till the end of the century. It's carbon
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  Speaker 3: neutrality by the end of the century. It doesn't even
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  Speaker 3: mention anywhere in the document the phrase net zero. That's
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  Speaker 3: the national party position. Stay in Paris, out of net zero.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: No mention of net zero, No twenty to fifty target,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and nothing aspirational in relation to net zero. Where the
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: lives are getting caught is they are some of them
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: warning Paris, some are wanting Paris plus, which is Paris
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and the aspiration of net zero, and some are saying
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: junk the whole bloody lot. Now, if they try and
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: keep Paris with the aspiration of net zero, that's when
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: they are in no man's land.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Fish it's not going to happen.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: That's what some are still pushing that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: But this is what what I'm saying.
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: People like I've been watching journalists ask people like Andrew Bragg, Oh,
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: but what if you leave Paris. That's not on the
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: table as I understand it. Nobody get a headline because
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: we've actually done our.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Hair al wish everyone else could figure it out.
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: Basically, you're getting headlines saying brag threatens to quit. Yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: that's if they leave Paris, well they ain't leaven Paris.
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: So that's the point.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: You know, they've got senators like Maria Covidcheck. Maria covid
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Check is confusing net zero with Paris. Maria covid Check
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: is talking about staying in net zero as an aspiration
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: alongside Paris. Because we can't leave Paris and we can't
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: leave net zero. They are not interdependent. They have nothing
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to do with each other. I think half the problem
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: is mate that not enough people get the documents, read
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: the actual you know, Paris agreement, or read the net
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: zero editions out of Glasgow. They're not doing the They're
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: just basically running on gossip, right, and running on gossip,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: you think they're going to be out and completely no aspiration.
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: But listen, there will be people tomorrow who argue to
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: stay with net zero, but I just think it's a
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: bit of a fake fight because they don't have the numbers.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: So they'll put up the fight on behalf of the
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: moderates and then they'll sort of say, oh, well, at
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: least we kept Parasol. They'll get some other concession, but
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: the majority seems to be to get rid of the
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: term net zero and gosh, I don't even know what
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: anyone thinks at home about all this. I mean, who
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: cares about most of it? Frankly, I mean it's so crazy,
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: isn't it.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I know, if they actually got in and had to
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: fit in and fight about some of this stuff.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I argue this last night.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I think the government's incredibly vulnerable on cost of living.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: But when you are joined at the hip with labor
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: on your energy policy, and energy now is cost of living,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: it's everything else as well, because it's an input cost
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: into everything, you've got nowhere to go. And that research
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: today from from you Gay that says one in two
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Australians are worried about.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Renewables, but that's worrying about the power price increase.
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: You just made the main point. You just made the
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: main point. So let's forget about these terms like net
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: zero and paris, which I'll all go on about, as
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: will the journals for the next few days. The point
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: is to differentiate, and so if they say we have
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: a more they don't even have to say we have
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: sort of a lower emissions target than labor. They should
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: be saying we have a more realistic emissions target for labor.
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: They've got their blinkers on on this. We don't mind
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: a transition, but it's got to be orderly and a
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: technology dependent and so we're not going to drive up
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: your bills in order to reach your.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Goal the rest of the world are.
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: That's got to be the pitch and I think it
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: will be and I think that's where they can actually,
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: for the first time on this, get a differentiation with
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: labor for the first time in a couple of years,
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: and I think it will make a difference. So they
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: have to get the focus on how as they put it,
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: bungling the transition.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: That has to be the entire focus.
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: They can't get hung up on words like net zero
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: if the majority of the party room wants to get
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: rid of that, I mean, twenty fifty is so far
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: away anyway.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: To the alone twenty one hundred, who cares.
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: They have to come up with a firm position saying
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: you guys are bungling this. You're rushing ahead with it
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: and it's not about the best for Australia. We have
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: a different approach, but we're not throwing emissions reductions out
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: the window. There you go, there's their cell for them.
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: How they continue to tie themselves in knots.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: By the end of a century.
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: How they continue to tie themselves in knots in it?
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: Really well, it's a gift to Sky News, That's all
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: I can say. Because we have something to report on
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: every day.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I have to tell you, I'm pretty sick of it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I would love to talk about all the other issues
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: that are going on in the country. I mean, there's
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: some huge problems, but they've got a jettison the timeframe.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I think that's the most important thing because once you
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: move off the time frame, you agree with the you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: the manyana at the end that you want lower emissions,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: but you get away from the time frame because the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: timeframe is what's killing labor. They're setting these arbitrary targets.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: They're pushing harder, deeper, faster, and that's causing fragility the system.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: That's what's driving out prices and sending businesses off shore.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: The nets have a time frame out, the nets have
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: a time frame.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: They just have lower ambitions.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: Paris Is they've got twenty they're saying thirty to forty
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: percent reduction by twenty thirty five, and obviously labor's saying
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: forty eight by twenty thirty, but they have something of
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: a time frame, just lower ambition than That's.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: All right, Well we will leave it there. Let's talk
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: about the fact that you quietly told the PMS pretty
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: happy that his COP thirty one bid to have it
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: hosted in Adelaide things to you at a cost of
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: between one to two billion dollars for Australian taxpayers looks
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: like it might fail.
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: Well, I have to be honest about this. I'm not
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: quietly told. It's just my sense, because he'll never admit that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: But I mean, it's just logical, and it just seems
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: to me that he's not pulling out or stops for it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: Is he He's not traveling to Brazil right now to
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: get on the front foot and really get out there.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: He's not calling Erdahan from Turkey every day.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: He's written in a letter.
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: So I just feel that, you know, from our political
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: experience or my experience as a political journalist and your
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: experience in politics.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Which are really want this one, Peter.
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: I mean I could see it developing into another voice
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: for labor, another voice. On the other hand, Albanese has
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: got to tell Chris bow and he wants it. He's
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: got to tell the Pacific neighbors he wants it, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: he's got to tell sections of his constituency he wants it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: So I think it's the Turkey thing is almost convenient
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: for him. And we know in New York when I
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: was there at the You and General Assembly, Bowden was
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: working really hard meeting Turkish officials trying to make it happen,
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: but Albanese didn't so much. So I just think Albanese
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: sort thinks it's a good aspiration to be seen to have,
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: but if you don't get it, it's probably a blessing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a blessing. We'll leave it there,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: thank you very much, Andrew. Before we get to break
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it would be remissively not to mention that renewals disaster
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: that's played out in New South Wales, the one that
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: billion dollar Warrata super battery was meant to be the
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: centerpiece in Labour's energy transition. Well tonight it stands as
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: a costly symbol of poor planning and political spin because
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: we're now told it's beyond repair after a catastrophic transformer failure.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Now without these transformers, the battery can't do its job.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It was meant to replace.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: The giant Raring Power a coffee power station, which was
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: originally set to close thank you Matt Kean in August
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Now, of course that hasn't happened.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Fortunately the Men's Labor Government has extended the life of
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Urra Ring. But imagine if they had not and this
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: battery failure had occurred with no backup at all for
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Australia's most populous state. This is a warning to all governs.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about batteries after the break, about
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: the reliability of batteries and other technology and the risk
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: of rushing headlong into renewables. Coming out a legal showdown
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: that's raising serious concerns about science and gender ideology is
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: just the latest example of our radical gender ideologies colliding
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: with biology and our course are where we're having the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: debate that's thick.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Welcome back still to come.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: While the CFA in Victoria, the country Far Authority, is
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: warning the state can face the most dangerous fire season
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: since Saturday. The first to an upcoming hearing in the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Queensland Civil and an Administrative Tribunal which could well prove
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: a test case for both science and freedom of speech
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: when it comes to gender identity and gender medicine. The
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: case involves a transgender woman, formerly Adrian now Jennifer Buckley,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: who has undergone medical treatment to breastfeed a newborn son
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: born from sperm before Adrian transitioned to Jennifer. However, former
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Australian Breastfeeding Association volunteer counselor Jasmine Sussex brought into questions
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: through a series of posts the safety of Adrian now
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Jennifer using hormones to induce lactation so they might be
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: able to breastfeed the infant, referring to it as dangerous
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: and experimental. Jennifer Buckley claims the post with discriminatory, which
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: has now set off a legal battle culminating in a
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: tribunal hearing set down for next year. Joining me now,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: the woman at the center of this battle, breastfeeding expert
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Jasmine Sussex, thank you for your time. I think I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: spoke to you, Oh gosh, a long long time ago,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: now distant memory.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It was the throes of COVID when you were really.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Speaking out about some practices and the loss of women's language,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: female language at the Australian Breastfeeding Association. And here we
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: are now as this debate has moved on, You've got
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: fifteen years experience as a breastfeeding expert, and what prompted
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: your response here. Your comments were about the best care
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: for the baby.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: So everything we know about breastfeeding is in the context
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: of that mother baby relationship. And you know, we understand
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: that some men have a gender identity that I'm not
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: exactly sure what that means, but relates to their feeling
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: that they've got some kind of a woman gender essence
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: or in a feeling. But that really has nothing to
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: do with breastfeeding. So we just need to understand that
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: there are two different things. So gender identity is a feeling,
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: maybe a deeply held feeling. Breastfeeding happens in female bodies.
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: Pregnant mothers begin preparing to be able to breastfeed, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: then when they give birth, they can breastfeed the baby.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: So really it all happens in concert with the pregnancy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: And of course, in this case, Jennifer was Adrian. Adrian
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: donated sperm to create this baby. He then became Jennifer.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: He married someone was that woman with his sperm that
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: created the child. The stuff that I have read even
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: with the hormones, Jennifer wasn't able to make enough milk
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: for the baby, and that's a real issue. And I
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: know from friends of mine have had children and have
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: struggled to lactate adequately. That can be a thriving issue
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: for the baby. The baby cannot develop as it should.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Was that a concern as well? Yeah, it certainly was.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And I mean.
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: This individual's been talking about this online for a number
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: of years and has done media about it, written articles
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: about it, posted, you know, thousands of times, I would say,
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: on their various Facebook and Instagram and LinkedIn everywhere, and
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: you know, even they admit that it was a very
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: short lived affair. So we just really need to ask
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: why are we doing this and how can it be
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: in the best interests of the baby?
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: So so am I out of boundary if I say
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: that this was something they wanted to do just to
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: basically affirm how feminine they were that they could breastfeed.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: It wasn't really about what was in the best interest
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: of the child.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Is that your professional view?
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: Well, but based on what we know, I mean, when
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: this individual did this, there was one case study and
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: it was in the transgender health literature. And it was
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: very much about affirming and bonding that gender identity. So
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: that's all we have to go on, you know, But.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Assuming the baby's bonding with its birth mother, assuming the
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: baby's bonding with the woman who carried him in the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: child in utro, Yeah, I guess you know. I viewers
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: at home, we're a big gobsmeckt by all of this.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It seems really experimental.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And what do all of those hormones in this milk
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: made by a biological man. Jennifer can call herself whatever
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: she likes, but it's a biological male body. What does
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: that sort of hormone heavy milk do to a day's
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: old infant.
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well, we just don't know. And you know, even
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: some of the more moderate and a chronologists who are
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: the ones that are helping these men to do this,
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: they say that it's a supplementary feeder, you know, or
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: the second feeder, and it's like, well, if it can
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: only ever be a starvation quantity, how can that be
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: considered to be in the best interest of the baby.
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: We just don't have the evidence that it's safe, and
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: you know, we really need to have a conversation about
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: this where volunteers don't get threatened with years long legal action.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Let's just quickly go to that because you're going to
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: end up with a tributle.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. How far are you prepared to take this?
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: Well, I don't really feel I have a choice not
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: to continue with it. You know, it's important that we
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: have a conversation about the best interests of babies and
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: mothers and you know, tell the truth about what the
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: science says to us about how breastfeeding works in a
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: female body, in a mother's body, and we just need
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: to you know, reinstate boundaries around you know, male transgenderism,
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: which has this really I think unethical, unhealthy kind of
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: desire to experience. You know, what is a biological process
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: of women and mothers. It's not for men. I'm sorry.
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: You know I don't make the rules. Well, the maat
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: it makes the rules. And we just need to be
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: able to look at the evidence and make a decision
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: rather than just allow.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: And bring it back to not theory, not ideology, but
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: bring it back to hard medical biological fact.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess that's where we are.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, more strength to your arm. I know it's
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: not been easy. Thanks for joining me. Okay, thanks, How
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: amazing is that woman Jasmine sussexy you go fifteen years experience,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: She's now having to defend her experience right after breaks
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: See if a warning will give you headed for one
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: of our worst bush buyers ever and a lot of
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: preventable burns have not occurred. This was a recommendation at
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Black Saturday Royal Commission. So why has that not happened?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Welcome back? Coming up?
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: The National Olympic Committee looks set to ban biological men
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: from competing in any female category as soon as next year.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment, But now to those.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Warnings from Victoria's Country Fire Authority that this summer is
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: looming as the state's most dangerous bush fire season since Saturday.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: It says, record low rainfall and drought has created extreme
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: fire risks across much of the state. Jason Heffan, and
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: CEO of CFA Victoria, he joins me, now in the studio,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't know it from all the rain we've had
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne over the last couple of.
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: It happens every year people weeks I start talking about
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: the summer, what's looking like, and without file it rains here.
• 35:38
  Speaker 13: We are here, We are again.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: You know, as I get around the country, most of
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: my family live in the bush, I'm seeing that there's
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: plenty of you know, stuff out there in paddocks and
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: along the fire causeways and by the side of the road.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: And your concern with that build up of fuel and
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: a lack of rainfall, we're in trouble.
• 35:59
  Speaker 13: Yeah, number of turns for Victoria.
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: You know, we saw the Spring Outlook released not that
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: at the beginning of spring, which saw over fifty percent
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: of the state at elevated bush fire potential, and that
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: was largely driven by the rainfall deficit off the back
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: of summer. We went into winter record deficit rainfalls for
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: many parts of Victoria, and then in early spring there's
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: still that rainfall deficit continued, so a lot of our farmers,
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: particularly our drought affected areas obviously suffering. We saw the
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: dry landscape there, but a little closer to home to
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: Melbourne as well, so particularly Melbourne and surrounds and down
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: the Mornington Peninsula. And when you look in the nine
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: month back in nine months, yea, there's some of the
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: dryest on records, particularly for some of the subsoil dryness.
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: So what that means is that particularly during summer and winter,
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: we saw a lot of die back of vegetation in
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: the bushland. Once vegetation is dead, it's dead. No matter
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: Rain's going to bring that back. So that's now fuel
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: that's available now today. And as we continue to see
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: those rainfall deficits the bushland, and was I guess primed
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: and continues to be primed. The rain that we're seeing
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: at the moment, whilst very welcome and I really do
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: hope it does continue, is really just hit the pause
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: button for a few weeks, but it's nowhere near enough
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: to bring us back to normal levels of those rainfall
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: deficits that we are looking at. So when we start
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: getting those warmer days, when we start seeing more wind
• 37:22
  Speaker 12: and those lower humidities, we will start to see an
• 37:25
  Speaker 12: increase in fires in bushland areas.
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: And even this week, with some of the rain that
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: we have seen, the harvest has started in the malley.
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: We've already seen a number of harvest fires already ignite
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: and take off. So yes, I appreciate its raining, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: people are looking out the window sort of going out,
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: what's Jason going on about again? But you know, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: am quite concerned when we look at the underlying dryners
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: and the deficits.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so a couple of things here. Have you got
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: enough volunteers? Have you got enough trucks and kit and appliances,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Because that's been a criticism. Certainly the Firefighters Union say
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: the resourcings down.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: They're not happy about the levee.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I went to a CFA rally on the steps of Parliament.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: There were a good eighty thousand people.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: There with their trucks, fired up about their communities, not
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: happy to both pay the levee but also being on
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: the frontline fighting the fights.
• 38:15
  Speaker 13: So I guess let's talk about volunte numbers first. I
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: do to get asked that quite quite a bit.
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: Volunteer numbers naturally fluctuate, and we see that because people's
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: circumstances change. We see them coming to the Fire Service,
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: anticipate for a period of time, leave for university. As
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: I say, life happens, and then we see them come
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: back into the organization a bit later in life. And
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: so we're holding it steadied around fifty two thousand volunteers
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: across the state, of which some twenty nine thousand of
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: them are operational, and we do expect to see that
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: go up and down, which is why from a CFA perspective,
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: we need to make sure that we're always recruiting and
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: renewing our organization and finding the next generation of CFA
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: volunteers to come into our organization so that we are
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: and continue to be sustainable organization into the future.
• 39:03
  Speaker 13: If I move on to trucks and equipment.
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: Obviously, as you say, the United fire Fighters Union has
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: been advocating for their career fire fighters. That's a matter
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: for the United fire Fighters Union and the Career fire services.
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: But from the CFA perspective, what I can tell you is,
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: you know, my time as chief officer, we've rolled out
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: near three hundred appliances to brigades across the state. We've
• 39:25
  Speaker 12: got one hundred and seventy five appliances today on order
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: some eighty one point five million dollars worth of appliances
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: that will continue to roll out to our brigade.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Just quickly because I'll have to get onto another topic.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: But time comes up this quite frequently, the line that
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: there is not enough backburning done.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I spoke to the Howard Society the other day.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: It's exacerbated in Victoria because a lot of those timber
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: workers out the Gibbslan areas that maintained fire tracks that
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: did some of that burning.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: They no longer exist.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Timbers has been shut down as an industry.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Say that makes us more vulnerable. What do you think?
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: Look, I think issues around public lands and those areas
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: are looked after by a very capable colleagues a.
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: Forest fire Management Victoria, and I.
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: Know I speak to the chief officer there quite regularly
• 40:14
  Speaker 12: and he's very conscious about making sure that our public
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: lands are ready for upcoming seasons. There's a lot of
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: conversation around plant burning and has a reduction of mitigation.
• 40:26
  Speaker 13: My response to that would be it is but one.
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: Of the tool in the toolkit that we have for
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: protecting Victorian communities from devastating fires and summers. It needs
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: to be combined with a strategy of public education and
• 40:38
  Speaker 12: other prevention strategies, and it's a shared responsibility between community
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: land managers, landowners and fire services that come together, work
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: together in order to make sure that we are ready
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: for a summer.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: No state in the country has had the loss of
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: life that Victoria has, So it's a topical conversation one
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: we're going to have and I think it's a real
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: concern if you already talking about it now in a
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: wet Melbourne week to say we should be concerned, we are.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Jason, Thank you all right, quick breakout of
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the break two the panel UN A sex discrimination commissioner
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: in the hot seat.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: What's going on there. We'll discuss that at a moment.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner and A Cody secretly asked the
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Human Rights Commission whether a UN women's rights investigator could
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: be blocked from reappointment, according to an email obtained under
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: FOI by The Australian newspaper. In the email, Miss Cody
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: express concerns about the UN Special rap Ponteur on violence
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: against women. Her name is Rehem Al Salem, who had
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: sought to intervene in the Tickle and Giggle case as
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: well as opposing radical transgender ideology. Joining me now my panel,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Former Liberal MP Nicole Flinden Scarni's contributor Jamie Rodgers Well,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: it's also worth noting Nick that Reem Al Salem was
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: a strong supporter of moradeeming Gem write a report and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: she addressed it to the Albanezi government saying.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: She was concerned.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: The un was concerned that a woman could be expelled
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: from her own political party just for defending women's rights.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: So what do you make of this once secret.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Now we know about it? Move from Anacoty.
• 42:20
  Speaker 14: Well, I would like to thank Dr Anacody for providing
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: a real life example of how the left operate. First
• 42:28
  Speaker 14: of all, if you don't like a meaning of the word,
• 42:31
  Speaker 14: change it. Twist the meaning of words. So women are
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: not biological women anymore. We know doctor Annacoty could not
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: define what a biological.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Male was in senate estimates.
• 42:43
  Speaker 14: And this just reminds me of when Julia Gillard claimed
• 42:46
  Speaker 14: that Tony Abbott was a misogynist and the dictionary meaning
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: of misogyny was changed to suit her definition.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Now, Secondly, not only.
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: Do they twist words where it suits them, they then
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: seek to silence their opponents. So somebody dares to present
• 43:04
  Speaker 14: facts or dares to debate, then the left try to
• 43:08
  Speaker 14: shut down their opponents, which is precisely what we've seen
• 43:12
  Speaker 14: attempted to happen with miss reem Arsalem. And then, thirdly, Peter,
• 43:19
  Speaker 14: the left then play the victim, which is what we've
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: seen doctor Anna Coody do when everyone said it's really
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: embarrassing that our sex discrimination commissioner, who has paid something
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: like four hundred thousand dollars a year can't define a
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: biological male. The fact that it has been exposed in
• 43:37
  Speaker 14: The Australian Today that she sought to use Australian departmental
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: influence to try to get Miss rem Arsalem removed from
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: her position or not renewed in her position.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: A woman who.
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: Is a fierce protector of women and stands up to
• 43:55
  Speaker 14: violence against women every single day in her role says
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: to me that we have further evidence as to why
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: the Albanese Labor government need to remove Dr Annacody from
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: her position immediately because her position is completely untenable as
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: sex discrimination commissioner.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I was saying in the break to Jasmine Sussex, I
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: just spoke to her about a breastfeeding by biological men
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and we were just saying how much the world has
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: changed on this. Australia is an absolute laggard. But even
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: in Australia, you know, we're finding a lot of women
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: are finding our voices. We're speaking out on this, we're
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: saying we're not going to cop it anymore. And this
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: news today that the IOC, this International Olympic Committee looks
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: sept to ban biological men from competing in any female
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: category as soon as next year.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is extraordinary. They did a review.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Wait for it, The review says anyone born male will
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: retain some permanent physical vantages. Now, Jamie, you're a professional swimmer.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that's any sort of revelation. I can't
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: believe it's taken so long to absolutely wake up on
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: this stuff.
• 45:11
  Speaker 15: I know, but I absolutely welcome at Peter. It's about
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: time that common sense prevails. All of this scientific investigation
• 45:19
  Speaker 15: really fell off the back of what we saw at
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: Paris in twenty twenty four, when those two boxes in
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: the female category absolutely smashed their divisions and went on
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: to win gold medals. And the year before those Olympic Games,
• 45:31
  Speaker 15: both of those boxes had been disqualified from the World
• 45:33
  Speaker 15: Championships because they hadn't passed their gender test, and then
• 45:37
  Speaker 15: they were able to go on and compete at the Olympics.
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: But we also have Donald Trump to thank for this too, Peter,
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: because when he signed that executive order earlier this year
• 45:45
  Speaker 15: that was banning transgender athletes from competing in female sport.
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: At the same time, he did say he wasn't going
• 45:51
  Speaker 15: to provide any visas to any transgender athletes that were
• 45:54
  Speaker 15: looking to come and compete in LA in twenty twenty eight.
• 45:58
  Speaker 15: So it certainly got the wheels in motion of getting
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: some movement behind that. And the new IOC president in
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: Kirsty Coventry, she also did make it very clear before
• 46:07
  Speaker 15: she was elected that her mission was to ensure that
• 46:09
  Speaker 15: she could protect female sport, and so I'm glad to
• 46:12
  Speaker 15: see that when she got elected, she's come in and
• 46:15
  Speaker 15: is trying to do exactly that because it is so important, Peter,
• 46:18
  Speaker 15: after all these decades of women fighting and trying so
• 46:21
  Speaker 15: hard to get their sport on a level playing field
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: with men, they've achieved that, and you don't want to
• 46:26
  Speaker 15: lose the integrity of women's sport by allowing men to
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: go and compete. So I really welcome this news and
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: I hope that it's installed by February for the Winter Games.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more. Let's go to Victoria. The Victorian government
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: talk tough about protests. Nicole and a band they said
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: that they would bring in to stop protest is wearing
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: face masks. This is in order obviously to conceal their identity.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: But the legislation's on its way. It won't do that,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: won't do anything of the sort. It would just give
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: police the powers to ask the masks be removed, but
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: only if someone is suspected of committing a crime.
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: Look, South Australia fixed our protest laws probably almost two
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: years ago now, peters, So come on, Victoria, get your
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: act together. We won't hold our breath because we know
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: that's not going to happen. But we implemented, thanks to
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: the state Liberal opposition, we implemented hefty fines and jail
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: time for protesters who were doing the wrong thing. Gave
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: the police more power in all sorts of ways as
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: they should have, because we were sick of people.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Gluing themselves to roads, gluing themselves.
• 47:35
  Speaker 14: To foot paths, shutting down small businesses, shutting down big businesses.
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: So hey, Victoria, we've written the template.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Just follow it and just on that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: You know, Victoria's apparently, according to the Business Council of Australia,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: the worst place to do business, second year in a row.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: No surprises there, red Tape High Texas a whole lot,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: but just said to Allen says it's all the BCA's fault.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: It's a biased report. What do you make of that, Jamie.
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: I mean, it would just be so great, Peter, if
• 48:05
  Speaker 15: she could just take some ownership and just say, yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 15: things are tough right now and we are going to
• 48:09
  Speaker 15: make some changes. But why on earth would any businesses
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: want to be investing in there and putting their resources
• 48:15
  Speaker 15: into a state with such high taxes. There's such high
• 48:18
  Speaker 15: unemployment there as well, Peter. It's an absolute basket case
• 48:21
  Speaker 15: in Victoria, and they need a strong leader to stand
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: up and start making some changes.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shocker. Do not miss, Thank you, ladies.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Do not miss tonight, of course, Chris Human's documentary on
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the dismissal The Truth are the alb and Easy Spin
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: from last night.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: That's at seven thirty.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: But before that, of course, Andrew Bolt he joins me
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: now