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1997's The Lost World: Jurassic Park · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf Doing Dave the Movie talk
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show. Reach takes a movie off our
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shelf, presents it to the other, and discusses it at length.
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This week we've got coming off of Dave's Shelf once again,
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1997's The Lost World Colon Jurassic Park, also known as.
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Jurassic Park 2. Jurassic Park 2, we've
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established already that's that's how we roll.
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That's it here on Phil and Dave's podcast.
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So it's another week. It is.
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I can answer probably the why now good bit, but let's just
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think about the movie on its own.
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What are your initial thoughts coming off of what I would say
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is a pretty great movie last week?
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Definitely pretty big shoes to fill I would say, and we all
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know the history of sequels. Yeah, let's dig into that a
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little. Bit we have to dig in.
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Spielberg's first. Yes, first time doing a sequel,
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yeah. There it is.
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He was asked to do Jaws 2 and in 78.
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And outright refused. Absolutely said no way.
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Wasn't having it. And I'm sure, I'm sure got
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approached with a couple of different projects along the
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way. I mean technically, I suppose if
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we really want to get technical, which we.
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Often do. He did direct A Temple of Doom,
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which technically is a prequel to Indiana Jones and the Raiders
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of the Lost Ark. I hate even saying that.
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It's not even Indiana Jones. You know they retitled that
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movie. No, I did not know that.
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So if you were to buy that movie now or look it up, it is it is
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for uniformity. Indiana Jones and the Raiders of
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the Lost. Ark really OK.
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As opposed to the original title, which was Raiders of the
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Lost Ark. Don't like it?
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Me neither. I think it's it's hacky.
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I'll never watch it again it. Just doesn't make any sense.
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Just let it be what it is. Let it be.
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Star Wars doesn't have to be a New Hope.
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It can just be Star Wars. Yeah, there's no hope.
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There's no hope. There was hope.
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There's always hope, Phil. Until they struck back.
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And. Then they got a return
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afterwards, you know doesn't take. 97 You still like
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Spielberg though, right? Am I correct in saying?
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That I was very excited for this movie.
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OK, Yeah, I didn't drop off until I want to say 2002.
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I want to say I saw AI and then Minority Report I think was the
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last straw. And I was like, then you're done
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with this guy and. Till years and years later,
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yeah, I'll bring them all off my shelf for you.
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Everything you meant, No deal, you own.
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Them I have war of the world garbage even that.
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Yeah, OK. I saw that.
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OK. Well, you'll see it again at
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some point. No rush, no rush.
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Lots of time, buddy. I will say, when it comes to
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sequels, this is a cold take. If anything, there was a brief
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period of time, not a long time, where I like this one as much as
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the original. Wow.
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If not for a split second, more wow.
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Now my tune has changed. Of course, years away from both
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of them. Yeah.
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Coming back to this, still things I like about it.
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Yeah. But.
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Overall, I was left with a reality check and saying no, it
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is not as good as the original, but I think there's still things
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in this movie like that we'll explore together.
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Yes, yes, we're in this for the togetherness.
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Togetherness. But I want to know, Phillip,
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please, if you don't mind sharing with everybody, what are
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your initial thoughts? Not this watch, but back then
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you said you're excited for it. Very excited.
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Did you, were you knocked down a peg or two or were you like,
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yeah, it's OK. There's two things that stick
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out to me when I think of this movie.
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The 1st is how excited I was to go.
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But in 97 I'm 18 and. There's tickets available.
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And there's tickets available, but also just that four years is
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a pivotal 4 years. And then life in general, right?
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As I was saying before 9596, I'm watching movies a little
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different than Jurassic Park. Yeah, you're better than us.
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No, just just more interested in some of the like.
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Art. Seed Art.
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The the the independent film of the time, right?
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The The Quentin Tarantino, the the Pulp fictions and the usual
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suspects and and so on. The Soderbergh.
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And Phantom Menace. But I was still excited for this
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based on the on the on the hype of of the first one I loved and
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I was excited about the prospect.
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I was like, I'm interested. And I will say that my reaction
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this time is, and I remember it not living up to its success,
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but I did own the soundtrack. It's it's another one.
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I bought the score. For I bought it out of this.
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One and had like a a gatefold cover and like there was, you
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know, layers to. It I question this purchase.
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I do because I love the score so much, and there's a sequence or
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scene in this movie a little later that was like a chilling
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moment. And I watch it now and just
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wonder what the fuck was. I think not.
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I don't like the seed and I don't like the, you know, the
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score isn't anything impressive, but in the moment I was like,
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yes, that's the greatest interesting.
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So watching it this time, what I will say is is it's a
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precipitous drop. This, for whatever reason, I
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just think completely misses the mark on a many, many occasions
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and feels more like a product rather than a movie.
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And I felt the first one, it felt like a cash grab.
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Not a product placement. Totally that, and the first one
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had a lot of that too. It just didn't feel like it.
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This one felt like it and I remember listening to some
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interview with Joel Schumacher and he was talking about when he
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was making the 4th Batman movie, The Batman and Robin movie, that
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everything he heard from the studio was about making it more
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toyatic. Is that a word?
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It isn't really, but that was the principle was get it was
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make it make the toys. So you need a new outfit, you
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need a new Batmobile, you need a new bat wing, you need all these
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characters, you need all these outfits, all of that stuff.
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And I feel like this movie is more like that that the things
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that are in it don't feel organic to the movie, whereas
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the first one I it all did. That's interesting, Phillip.
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I didn't pick up on that. I picked up on on the fact of
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let's do things differently and just we need new stuff, not to
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sell it or make the toys. But now looking at it now, the
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colours, you know, like, yeah, I can see that.
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For sure 100%. I remember the retractable chair
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in the truck that happens in the movie.
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It's such a useless scene in the movie.
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Like, it's 20 seconds, right? Like, let me out.
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He gets out, he shoots the thing and OK, bring me back in.
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Oh, yeah, right. It's cool.
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It's 20 seconds and it's something cool to look at.
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And it's like, that's just for a toy.
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And it was a toy. It was OK just like that.
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I remember the commercial being there.
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So that feel, the movie generally just feels more
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cynical that way. And as a result, I I found it
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really challenging to get hooked in.
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You're out. I was.
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I was barely in. And when there were scenes that
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really did get me, and there are some in here that I think are
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just as good in some ways as as the first one.
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It's followed or or preceded by scenes that just don't work.
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So it just doesn't get the flow for me.
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You mentioned last week, Phil, and I don't want to bring it up
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too much here, but the writer. Yeah, David Kepp.
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David Kepp, He wrote this one. He's back.
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Yeah. All the creators really are
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back. And you insisted upon him
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getting a hit and then getting a miss.
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Right. Equally almost.
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Yeah, yeah. And I didn't believe you.
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I rarely do. That's true.
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You go. In with skepticism I do, yeah.
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And I can now I can see maybe sort of what you're saying.
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But you know, small sample size for me totally because I did
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watch Black Bang. You like that?
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And I thought, well, this is a good movie.
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My wife both enjoyed that. Like, cool, because that's where
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I'm like, oh, that's funny. I just watched this guy.
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Yep. But yeah, it certainly has its
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issues of problems qualms. It generally just feels lesser.
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Lesser, yeah. And I think.
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Like 90% of sequels. Yeah, they try and go bigger in
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general, right. That's like go bigger, take the
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stuff and make it bigger and somehow is lesser as a result.
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Yeah, it's a, it's a strange dichotomy, but it's very common
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of of movies and sequels and for and for sure.
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I appreciate you got to take some risks and you don't want
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like a jaws to situation necessarily.
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Sure. Rehashing the same thing.
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Yeah, like the storyline, like if you read the synopsis, yeah,
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pretty similar. It's the same thing.
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Sure. I find this to be pretty similar
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at times as well, but it does take different approaches when
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it can. I don't think it always works,
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but I do agree that it is kind of breaking some of the molds.
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Molds exactly. Now Speaking of mold, yes.
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Do you have any in this house? Cuz that's not good for you.
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I've heard it's bad. I don't.
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I don't have any right now. Good, Wonderful.
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Wonderful. This movie has the same type of
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intro, sort of the same structure, where it has an
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opening attack, there's an an incident.
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That's right, the big attack of the Raptor and so forth, this
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really big scene. And little smaller in size of
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dinosaur itself, but they work well in numbers.
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That's right, the number. They have the numbers.
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Let me set it up for you, buddy. Please.
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Rich couple, I'm assuming. Yeah.
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On a yacht of sorts. Take a little bit of a break.
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On an island. A sojourn.
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Yeah, I will. I guess.
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Why not have their fancy dinner and what have you?
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I love this actor. The Father love him.
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Yeah, Seinfeld. No, no, that's the way, he says
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Deidre. OK, I just love it.
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I love him. He's got a great.
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Accent. He does have a sucker for
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accents. But they have a daughter.
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She wanders off. Yeah, and she sees something.
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Cute. Cute.
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Yeah, cute. I'm not sure what dinosaur breed
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that was. Can't.
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Be. Oh, there.
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Thank you. That is mentioned, actually.
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Now you mentioned. So you said that the guy's a
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campy idiot, David, and she's attacked you swarmed.
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Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of them I
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love. It's cool.
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I love campies. This, I think.
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Of course you do. When I first saw this movie in
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97, this was a theatrical I was so excited that they killed a
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girl. I've told you before I I younger
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the better. I wish so badly that someone
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would kill young people in movies.
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Yeah, babies if yeah, like I told you, my first horror movie
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I wrote babies and grandmother the 1st 1st 15 minutes of the
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movie. Is that so I was so excited I
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watched this and I was like, yes, OK, we're it's getting
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there like it's and as I said, I'm getting a little more
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mature. My movie tastes are a little
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differing. You're more.
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Sick. Yeah, certainly.
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So I love that the movie kind of opens.
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It's a much different vibe, right?
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And again, I was like, the balls to like, the kid is being
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swarmed and eaten, presumably, presumably, and the mother is
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like shrieking in terror. And the dissolve, like the last
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movie, instead of the lawyer coming over on the raft, is
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Malcolm yawning in front of a poster.
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I was like, oh, I don't love that, but I did think that
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Goldblum looked gorgeous. He looks so good in this movie.
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He seems taller this movie. Oh, I got some lifts.
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I heard 6 inches. I guess maybe the last time we
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saw him sitting in the helicopter.
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Collapsed for a while. Yeah, sitting in the Jeep, he
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was never really extended. True.
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But this movie, Yeah, he's lanky.
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Yeah, The only time you really saw him in full breadth is the.
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That's a big pile of shit, Yeah. I was just thinking that.
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Yeah, I was just thinking about it.
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Goes his way. Absolutely.
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Yeah. I just thought absolutely
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beautiful guy. I wrote my notes.
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It's still gorgeous, but he's on his way to go see Hammond.
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Yes, he's gotten. Summoned He has been summoned by
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the Great Attenborough. Yes, who better to summon,
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really, than an Englishman playing a Scotsman or Welshman
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and whatever who answers the door?
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This is right up your alley. I wrote here.
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Defer to Dave because I know I know this guy, but I couldn't
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tell. You, but you knew he was in
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Seinfeld. I did know he was in Seinfeld.
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Mr. Pitt. As Peterman or Bookman or.
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Well, it was somebody that Elaine worked for, so you're in
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the right area. Yeah.
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So good for you. Yeah.
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He's been a few other things, but yeah, that's.
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Yeah. There he is.
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He's a good doorman. Yeah.
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It seems appropriate, Alfred like.
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Yeah, so we've got Malcolm. And in this sort of brief moment
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we get, and this is actually a good example.
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Remember when we watched the first one last week, there was,
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I was talking about how brilliant and really structured
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I thought the screenplay was and the ability to relay exposition
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in an entertaining way that didn't feel like you're just
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getting an exposition dump. Yeah, this is that scene, except
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it's better. Wait, sorry, are you going
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somewhere else with that? I think it's terrible.
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Yeah. It's not great.
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It feels like such a nympho dump.
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Explains everything. For the last four years.
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You've ruined my life. This isn't him talking to the
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nephew, right? Slandered my name.
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You took away my career. Grant didn't even do this.
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My suit cost more than your education.
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Right. You're like, OK, so here we are.
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It's the most pedantic, like, silly.
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Just tacked on, if you will, I'll.
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Let it slide. Explanation for what's happened
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that it just it sticks out as really being lame like just
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that's bad writing to me and the main issue, one of the main
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issues I should say there's many is that Malcolm feels like he's
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dialed to a different pitch than he was the last time he feels
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like a different. Person.
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Person. Almost like it's not Ian
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Malcolm, it's Jeff Goldblum. Yes, but not Malcolm.
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He's changed. And I think the movie treats him
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as an action star, and he's a chaotician, he's a scientist,
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he's a rock star, as they say in the first one.
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Philip, I'm not going to push back too much on that.
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I had the same sort of feelings. And my overall take on it is I
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love Jeff Goldblum as that supporting guy just in general
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in all movies. I think he's an awesome person,
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though. I don't really know him, of
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course, but to lead the show, I don't think so.
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Yeah, I just don't think so. He's not this show like, man,
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maybe not. Maybe you're right.
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I haven't seen him in enough, like, leading roles.
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But yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're right.
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Yeah, but I mean, that's just my opinion.
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But I I do always enjoy his conversations with Hammond.
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Yeah, I do like their rapport. I don't like it so much with
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Ludlow. You're right.
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It's like, OK, it's just predictable.
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Like this is set up your. I know what you're doing.
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Here it is. I understand how NDA's go, he
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was just telling the truth, but as we knew from.
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The Insider Yes, how NDA's work NDA's are very.
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Matter about the truth. That's right, you signed.
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It even says here there aren't versions of the truth, there's
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just the truth. Now, obviously 30 years later,
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sadly it's up for debate. But yes, back in the day you
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could have one version of the truth.
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Speaking of versions, there's another version of the island.
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It's called Sight B. Yeah.
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Did you know about that? Nobody knew about it.
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Nobody knew about it, and I'm OK with that.
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Hey man, doesn't need to say everything.
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You have our business. You.
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Are the biggest proponent of explain everything, of tell me
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everything, of detail everything.
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It took me 15 minutes to get there.
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I want to see a watch. I just have a gut feeling that
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you're going to bring it up 100% as maybe even this term you've
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been throwing around lately, which I pretend to know.
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Yes, yes, you do not along. Retcon, yeah.
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What it stands for, I don't exactly know, but every time
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you've used it, I get a general idea what it means in the
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context. In the context.
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So I kind of went along with it. Sure, you did explain it to me
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and I thank you for it. Yeah, retroactive continuity.
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There you go. Yeah, retcon.
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Retcon. I don't know, you just kept
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spewing it out. Sure.
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I'm like, I thought, maybe that's your word of the month.
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Check the calendar, yeah. But I mean, as I said, just
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because he doesn't say it on screen in the first movie
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doesn't mean it's impossible for it to exist or it's forced to
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make things work there. Everyone's on a need to know
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basis in that first one, OK. I think that is being very
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generous. Thank you.
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I'm a. Generous man Appreciate it.
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I don't appreciate it. I think that's a ridiculous
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argument. OK, well, leave it.
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I think that site B is, it could only be retcon, right?
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Because you've already done it on the island and they left and
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you know, there's a way. This is where I was talking
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about those embryos somehow. So you don't think they had to
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switch islands? I think that they didn't have to
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because when they left the original island, presumably at
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some point it would have fallen into disrepair because if you
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recall, they just leave the island.
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So all these dinosaurs, Rex and Raptors and all the things are
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still around and they're breeding because we just saw the
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eggs when they were out there. So I don't know.
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And I don't care why there's a site B except for that it feels
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lazy. And you, and rather than explain
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all this other stuff, you just go, oh, yeah, you know, we did
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it over here. Don't worry.
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About it, would it be better if it was site C?
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Yeah. That's that's that's the thing.
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I. Just I have no, I have no
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patience for B. Nonetheless, Hammond needs
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A-Team of four people. Yeah, why 4?
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Why not? Even counted on his.
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Finger and he's got these charts.
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I hate these I there's so much exposition at the beginning to
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set the table and I think part of it is because none of it
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makes any sense. They need a photographer from
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National Geographic or Greenpeace, the weapons expert
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and the chaotician again, you know, and a paleontologist again
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like what that I get you just you're just taking pictures like
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the whole reason for the movie. I don't understand and I don't
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think they do a good enough job explaining so that when things
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start happening in the movie, I find it's a real challenge for
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me to get involved and engaged. And I felt that similarly in 97
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I I didn't love this movie then, I like it a lot less now.
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I can agree with you on one little thing here.
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OK, I'll take it. Because this is the first time
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that it felt like that to me as well, where I don't think
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they're giving me a good enough reason to why these four people
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are going to take some pictures of living in their habitat that
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it's OK to whatever and Ian doesn't want to go.
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No, nor should he. And as an example of the
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beginning of my let down, Hammond makes a point and more
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exposition makes a point to say we had a little incident and
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don't worry, she's OK. Oh, you and you thought she was
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dead? I wanted her to be dead.
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She did to be dead for this movie to work.
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Oh, don't worry, she's fine. She's fine.
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Yeah, so that's a pretty good impression.
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It's pretty good. We're trying to set up steaks,
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right? We established this movie,
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right? The dinosaurs don't care.
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They're going to eat you. And we just watched 40 of them
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swarm this little girl. We didn't get a head count.
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It's. True.
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And then later it's it's even more frustrating to me because
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later the same thing more or less happens to another
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character and he gets completely destroyed.
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When we get there, I'll tell you the difference.
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OK, I'm excited. It's something we'll leave
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behind. Speaking of excited, Ian, like I
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said, is excited to go, right? That's what we said here.
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But he finds out who the paleontologist is.
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And I'll tell you, I much prefer a single Ian Malcolm.
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I don't like this. Family man.
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Yeah. It's just not his character.
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Not his character, but he's dating a woman named, I don't
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know if you know her, Sarah Harding.
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Yes, Sir. Julianne Moore Julianne Moore
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and this now becomes a. Rescue mission.
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How did you like the delivery of it I.
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Hated it. I thought I liked it.
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I hated it now yes, I liked it the first time in 97 happened
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when I was talking about did not age well.
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The the scene in the movie that I get chills back then in 97
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listening to that score and it's rumbling as he's going through
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his you keep doing this. You can't keep right his old
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monologue and he turns to him and it's a rescue mission and
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it's starting right now and the the music starts to swell.
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I'm like so excited. I'm like what what did I care?
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It doesn't feel any of that same power right now.
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I, I felt nothing but like you're saying, Malcolm as family
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man, as action hero isn't that character to me and shouldn't be
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that character. He's got none of the swagger of
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the first one. I don't think.
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He's kind of been a little neutered a little bit.
20:01
He lost the swagger. Yeah.
20:03
How would you have it after that experience in the first one?
20:06
Philip, I guess I. Think so?
20:07
The dinosaurs took away his swagger.
20:17
You know who does have swagger? Those Richard Schiff.
20:19
Richard Schiff of. Westworld.
20:22
West Wing. Whatever.
20:23
So he's one of your guys? Plays Toby Ziegler, the one
20:26
television show that I can reference.
20:28
You take it away from me with a whatever.
20:30
Fuck you. Yeah, we more or less get to
20:34
meet the team. Yeah.
20:36
Yeah. We're establishing early.
20:38
We're about 15 in. Yeah.
20:40
We have a very young Vince Vaughn.
20:42
Post swingers, but just post. Yes, nice, very fresh.
20:46
Looking Vince Vaughn. Yes, yes.
20:48
Before Slender. Yeah, before Santa Claus, Fred
20:51
Claus, Fred Claus, whatever. Just give you another whatever.
20:55
Just keep throwing away, who gives a shit?
20:57
Whatever, say what I want. Well, there you go.
21:00
Those are the two people. This is the team.
21:02
They're trying to establish your team, yes.
21:04
And Vaughn starts talking about Greenpeace.
21:08
Why are you in the Greenpeace Girls?
21:10
He says women. And he says, oh, that's noble.
21:13
And like, yeah, Noble was last year.
21:15
This year I want to get paid. It's just such a silly line.
21:18
Like the writing of this movie is really bad.
21:21
Though it is true Greenpeace is made-up of 80% women.
21:23
Yeah, that's, that's that's true.
21:24
That's is it. What Vaughn does get to say is
21:28
one of my favorite lines in the movie, which is where he's
21:30
saying he's stuck going on this wild goose chase, and Malcolm
21:34
gets to turn around and say no, no, no, no.
21:37
Where you're going is the only place where the geese chase you.
21:40
That is good, Good line. That is good line.
21:42
Yeah, he still has it. And that's the magic of Goldblum
21:45
delivering kind of funny lines. The rest of that, like he fails,
21:48
I think in so many other ways. But when it comes to nail in a
21:50
line, he's very good. But it fits better in a
21:53
supporting role. Totally.
21:54
They also, those are his character.
21:56
Yeah, right. Must go faster.
21:57
He's got a swagger. He's got a humor.
21:58
Yeah, that's in the first one. Samuel can carry a scene on its
22:01
own and you get some cool liners from another guy.
22:03
Yeah, perfect. Totally.
22:05
Yeah, this is not a first line sentiment.
22:07
Not that guy, but that's also introduce another character who
22:11
can probably lead the show, I think his daughter.
22:16
Yeah, Kelly the gymnast. The gymnast.
22:18
Let's establish early that she was on the gymnastics team, but
22:21
cut. That's very important to know
22:23
she was cut, which tells me she's not very good.
22:27
She's not very good. Well.
22:28
There you go. And much like the I'm a hacker
22:31
conversation at 40 minutes into the first movie, this
22:35
conversation 20 minutes in saying I'm a gymnast, I wonder,
22:39
is that going to come back later?
22:41
Really stupid. It is stupid, yeah, but overall,
22:43
how do you like their sort? Of I hate it, OK, I don't think
22:46
there's any chemistry between the two.
22:47
I don't think the relationship makes any sense.
22:50
I think it's trying to mold Malcolm into something else and
22:53
I don't. I want things to change.
22:54
I don't need it to be a rehash of the same, but it's so
22:57
drastically different to me and it it don't really explain it.
23:01
So it just feels like it's just thrown into the mix to offer
23:04
steaks. It feels lazy and cheap.
23:07
There was no other way to get a child onto Site B, so you have
23:12
to create some really ridiculous plotting.
23:15
Julianne Moore I get, OK, you put someone out there.
23:18
It's his girlfriend. He needs to go against his will
23:20
to go and. Say that's not enough.
23:22
It's at least somewhat in the sphere of believable, but the
23:26
girl is just there to have us go, Oh no, protect the child.
23:30
And I was willing to accept at the previous time because it was
23:32
part of Grant's arc designed to establish that he hates kids and
23:37
now he's going to like kids. So there was a lot of other
23:40
purposes involved, not just the stakes.
23:42
And she is just the stakes and just the thing to get caught and
23:46
hold people up and delay certain things.
23:49
You mentioned sort of laying some future groundwork, some
23:52
foreshadowing. We have the high hide sort of
23:54
introduced early on Bite Radio. Which is funny, sure.
23:58
I'm glad they acknowledged that though, it's pretty high.
24:01
And you get shift just saying hi, hide, hi hide.
24:04
That's pretty funny. I was OK with that.
24:05
But we're we're 15 minutes in or so and I think we're on the
24:08
island. It feels like it didn't pretty
24:10
close despite the fact that we're not loving the IT.
24:12
Feels so rushed. It just feels like they're just
24:14
jamming it down our throats. But maybe it's probably for the
24:16
best. Let's just get there, I guess.
24:18
So, I don't know. I don't know.
24:20
But even though that guy, the dude, the boat guy doesn't want
24:23
to take him there, next scene, they're there.
24:26
Doesn't want to dock. There doesn't want to dock
24:28
there. Well, whatever, I guess it's
24:29
later so he's not easily accessible.
24:31
Basically, it's two hours away, yeah, is what he says.
24:34
OK, further away than a chopper later, but.
24:36
I swear that there's a scene when I watched this movie The
24:39
first couple of times of that boat and it's been destroyed.
24:44
They've been eaten. I don't remember seeing it this
24:46
time. Am I getting mixed up with
24:48
Jurassic Park 3 or? I don't know, I've never seen
24:50
Jurassic Park 3. I thought that was in.
24:53
This maybe it's the boat later that you're thinking about,
24:54
because everybody on that boat dies.
24:56
Any who we're on the island, Isla Snorna sipee Isla Isla
25:01
Sorna. Point is, here we are.
25:04
And he's going to walk on the island knowing full well what
25:07
happened the last time and just start screaming and yelling and
25:11
everybody else is on board. It's fucking dinosaurs.
25:15
You know why they do it? Explain it.
25:17
Just for that funny line where Vince says the last name
25:19
Harding. Yeah.
25:20
How many Sarah's you think there are on this island?
25:23
That's funny. It's sure.
25:25
But you're opening up a nitpick. You know I.
25:28
Don't think these are nitpicks. This is fundamental problems
25:30
with the writing and I refuse to accept your lenient attitude to
25:36
what is an absolute atrocity of a screenplay, at the very least
25:41
for this time. You know, I think you're maybe
25:43
defending these early scenes because maybe you like some
25:45
later scenes, but this objectively cannot be allowed to
25:49
exist. It is so egregiously offensive
25:53
to the laws of common sense. Common sense.
25:56
And again, if it weren't Malcolm saying it, if this was a brand
25:59
new group of people that don't know what they're dealing with,
26:02
I'll maybe allow for a certain amount of naivete.
26:05
But these are people specifically going to the
26:07
island, know what is happening and more, none more than
26:10
Malcolm. To scream and yell minute one
26:12
when they get off is stupid. Funny line though.
26:16
Great funny line. Absolutely.
26:18
Just a context. It's useless.
26:19
Worth it. There it is.
26:21
We find Sarah's bag. Thank goodness.
26:24
Yeah, we did. 5 minutes later. So glad she didn't get very far
26:27
in two days. Head start that she had.
26:30
It's a good bag too. Solid bag.
26:31
Lucky bag, lucky bag. And we have a, a very funny, you
26:36
mentioned it last week. Spielberg moment.
26:38
Yes, bunch of Stegosauri making their way and they don't have
26:42
any idea they're sneaking up on them.
26:44
Yes, who would have guessed that there would have been a £5000
26:48
monster 25 feet away from them until they managed to turn
26:52
around? Yes, that's a good point.
26:55
Yeah, it's a funny thing, but he's consistent.
26:57
Yeah, that's. It's certainly not a problem of
26:59
this movie. He's.
26:59
Like no ones really called me out on this, I'm just going to
27:02
keep on doing. It absolutely, absolutely.
27:05
But I do appreciate that this is another Malcolm line where he
27:10
gets to be the Malcolm that I think he is and should be.
27:13
Vaughn and Schiff are all transfixed by what's happening.
27:17
And he says, yeah, oh, yeah, that's how it starts.
27:19
Oohs and ahhs. And pretty soon there's running
27:21
and screaming. That's a great delivery of a
27:24
line. And true to his character and
27:26
true to the movie. Very few and far between in this
27:28
one. It's.
27:29
Your best scene? Best scene?
27:30
Best scene? No.
27:31
All right. Of course she has to touch it.
27:33
Has to touch it. Sarah.
27:34
Yeah, got it. That part I get.
27:36
You get it. If you're that close to a
27:38
dinosaur, you have to. I think you have to touch it.
27:40
You got to touch it. And touching it actually turns
27:42
out not to be the problem. The problem is the camera.
27:45
Digital that's in this world wouldn't even matter.
27:48
But there you go to wind the film, Spooks the kid, and we get
27:51
our bullshit action sequence. Yeah.
27:53
It's. Lame.
27:54
Well choreographed last week. I don't.
27:56
Know why you're so positive on this fucking movie?
27:58
I don't understand your flippant remarks to how dismissive any
28:05
criticisms of this movie is. Because I just know there's a
28:07
lot, so I want to try to. I'm pacing myself, Phil.
28:11
OK. I am pacing myself because we
28:14
have a scene coming up. Very.
28:15
Soon. OK, you get too excited.
28:18
But no, you're right. And I did say last week how I
28:20
felt that JP one, I'm going to call him that.
28:24
Yeah, like stood up the choreography of the dinosaur.
28:27
Sure, sure. This.
28:29
It's like, no, the whole tail thing.
28:31
Yeah, it's just showy. It looks bad.
28:33
CGI too. Like it looks worse than the
28:35
first one. I don't like it going through
28:37
the hollow branch. Yeah, no, yeah, it just Yeah.
28:40
Lazy buying it. Lazy and lazy.
28:42
Lazy, yes. And then what's even worse, to
28:45
cap that off, they see fire. Oh yeah.
28:49
Oh my gosh, who else What? Oh my, what could what, who what
28:52
could it be here but a fucking terrible joke.
28:56
I thought I would make breakfast.
28:58
What the fuck would you say that's delivered worse than
29:00
Samuel Jackson? 'S yes, yes, she is terrible.
29:04
She's worse. She's a kid, so she's allowed to
29:06
be a little terrible, but she's got way too much time on this
29:09
movie. The beauty of the first one, the
29:11
kids were very used minimally, but I think very effectively.
29:17
And this kid is running throughout the whole movie and
29:20
that's a failure of the movies. Like that's a bad choice to make
29:24
because she doesn't have any character and she doesn't have
29:26
any personality. It's just have any reason to be
29:28
there. So all she is is an object of
29:31
fear and because of that it slows people down.
29:34
So it's only there for plot. So let me just clarify this.
29:38
You don't like the only black character?
29:43
Touché Touché I have no trouble with that.
29:49
Aspect of. Her performance or?
29:51
I'm just I'm just teasing you though because but she does
29:53
suck. Yeah, it's bad.
29:55
Just suck. A lot of them suck, but she
29:56
sucks the most. Yeah, she's terrible.
29:58
I do like eggs. The record is shown, yeah.
30:01
So none of this movie makes any sense at these early stages.
30:04
Nothing is clicking. Well, Phillip, luckily we see a
30:08
bunch of choppers which I'm like fills out.
30:13
It's a real struggle every week. In Gen., why would they have
30:16
another team asks. Schiff.
30:19
Yep. The good news is it brings in a
30:21
great character I like to call Bizarro Picard.
30:24
OK, OK, explain it. He's bald.
30:27
OK. But he would do everything the
30:29
opposite of what Captain Picard would do.
30:32
OK, Yeah. Not helpful.
30:33
I don't know what Picard would do or not do.
30:35
Well, explain it to me. No, there's nothing really left
30:38
to explain, Phillip. Just go along with it.
30:40
Just Bizarro. It's just bizarro, Picard.
30:42
Okay. I'm digging it.
30:43
Okay, let's do it. But you know who I'm talking.
30:46
About what's his name? Pete.
30:47
Possible with Pete, Yeah. Yeah, from the.
30:49
Town. Yeah, we love him in the town.
30:51
Yeah, he is a bit of a high spot in the movie.
30:55
Yeah. I think he's wasted,
30:56
unfortunately. Unfortunately not his fault.
30:58
No, that's for sure. I think they introduced him as
31:00
somebody that's gonna be a thing.
31:02
Yeah. And I don't think the movie
31:03
really delivers on the promise of what he can bring to the
31:05
table. Ends up being 1/2 thing.
31:07
I do love his opening spiel, yes, And I love the fact that he
31:11
has that duetang that's. Great.
31:14
Get Elvis. And the way he explains what
31:16
they actually look like, I think that's.
31:17
Funny, that's great. What I will accept is Peter
31:20
Stormare. That's who that I couldn't think
31:22
of his name. Yeah, yeah, really funny.
31:24
I'm as I'm getting older, his names elude me.
31:26
Yes, I could tell he's. In Seinfeld, no problem.
31:28
Is he? Yeah.
31:29
The holes. He's electrician.
31:31
OK, Yeah, yeah, I know him from Fargo, that yes, he's a geyser.
31:37
I also know him from Armageddon. Oh, yes.
31:39
He's in that Minority Report. Yes, he's in that too.
31:42
And 1000 other things. Yeah, he's in a lot of things.
31:44
He's in even a video game. He's in one of those, yes.
31:46
Picture. Yeah.
31:47
But most importantly, he's in Seinfeld.
31:49
That's right known for on IODB put on his headstone they find a
31:54
baby T Rex that's. Correct, that checks out.
31:57
What better to do then is to, I guess, kidnap him?
32:00
Well, yeah. He's injured.
32:02
Bizarro Picard wants his catch, right?
32:04
That's right, you're luring it. This is how they're going to,
32:07
yeah, this is how they're going to checks out.
32:09
Yeah, that part does make sense. And Malcolm is basically like,
32:13
we got to get out of here. Yeah, he wants.
32:14
He wants that. I'm going back.
32:16
My daughter's here. Like I got to protect, I got to
32:17
save and Sarah's like I'm staying.
32:18
I don't care. Like it or lump it.
32:20
Yeah, and then Vaughn, I just doesn't make any sense.
32:23
He knew they were coming. Yeah, they had a plan.
32:26
And like, what's the plan? Me.
32:27
Yeah. What?
32:29
Lame. O it's so dumb.
32:31
And doesn't really pay off either.
32:33
This movie's really, really struggles to to find its
32:36
footing. I'm so frustrated as I'm
32:39
watching this. If you told me I was going to
32:40
watch a movie, Richard Schiff, Julianne Moore, Jeff Goldblum
32:42
and Vince Vaughn and Kelly and directed by Steven Spielberg, I
32:45
would be ecstatic. Bizarro Picard, come on.
32:48
And Bizarro Picard shows up and be possible.
32:50
Exactly. And everybody in this movie
32:53
sucks. Nonetheless, Phil, he's the guy,
32:57
and his job is to free all the captive dinosaurs.
33:02
Hammond has sent him there for that and to take some pictures.
33:05
Yes, yes, the pictures. While he's there, yeah.
33:07
Why free the animals? Why take a few?
33:09
Pictures there take a couple of shots.
33:10
I don't. Really know why I'm sending you
33:11
there? Yeah, just go get some
33:12
Polaroids. Yeah, we're about an hour into
33:15
the movie, though, because I wanna skip over everything else.
33:20
Fair enough, fair enough. We've got these.
33:22
Let's get to the good stuff. Well, we think about an hour
33:25
into the last movie, if you recall, that was the T Rex.
33:27
I didn't put a time stamp. On it attack sequence, we talked
33:29
a lot about it cuz the jaws hour break you know, so forth, OK.
33:34
Yes, I did. I did.
33:35
Listen, you didn't put a time stamp.
33:36
I put a time. You did.
33:37
This one was OK. It's an hour and let's have
33:40
another one. And what's better than one dyno
33:42
attack, T Rex attack than two? Now, what are your thoughts on
33:46
this action sequence on its own and then how it compares to the
33:49
T Rex scene in in the first one? I have a few issues with this
33:53
one. OK, I feel like they retconned
33:55
the T Rex like they've changed some of.
33:58
Those. Personality, like, yeah, it's
34:01
like, oh, it's mother and father.
34:02
Like it's a family. Like, I don't know.
34:04
Just that's again, she's presuming that there's this
34:07
parental relationship with dinosaurs.
34:08
There could be, sure. I'm not qualified to answer
34:11
that. She is.
34:12
She's a paleontologist, God damn it.
34:14
But it feels silly. I don't.
34:15
Think they need to though. No, I think and it's not really.
34:18
Stakes, right? Oh well, just double.
34:20
Yeah, exactly. And it I get the sense that the
34:23
T Rex is out to get them. Like it's giving it too much
34:28
human emotion. They have the they have the
34:31
baby. Yeah, I, I think.
34:33
That's the If there is, I'm not. I believe me.
34:35
I'm not one to give this movie credit, but if there is one, it
34:38
is that they're attracted to the baby in the.
34:41
Trailer I guess, but the trailer's not moving.
34:43
So it's fair. That's the whole thing.
34:46
If it's not moving, yeah, how does it know to hit it?
34:48
Flashlight. Yeah, yeah, I suppose.
34:51
Anyways, I honestly just wanted to say that they retcon the
34:54
dinosaur. Yes, that's all.
34:55
Seems like it. Yeah, that's really all I want
34:57
to OK comment on. But the actual sequence itself I
35:01
find to be pretty good. Yeah, from from the big first
35:05
action piece on the island. Yeah, I think it's the rain
35:09
coming down, yes, going up to the high hide, yes.
35:12
There's a lot of things happening here.
35:13
The trailer getting dragged over the Cliff.
35:16
Hang on to something. Hang on to something, right?
35:18
That shot pulling over the three faces as they're about to
35:22
plummet over. I thought very skilled
35:24
filmmaking. This is the first time in this
35:26
whole movie that I found Spielberg's Like Touch again,
35:29
because the first hour I've found nothing exciting or
35:32
interesting about anything he's bringing to the table.
35:34
I think they fell down the rope one too many times.
35:37
OK, dragged on a little too long.
35:38
Yeah, I do agree that the scene is a little too long.
35:40
Yeah. But I really did enjoy the
35:43
Julianne Moore on the glass. Yes.
35:45
And the crack and watching that establish and kind of creak and
35:48
crack. So I like the kind of Rube
35:50
Goldberg mechanism that that scene kind of creates.
35:53
It's really well. And I like that they kind of
35:55
hold on to the rope and the trailer kind of falls around
35:57
them, but that's kind of clever. They did that in the first one
36:01
with the Jeep coming down through the tree.
36:02
That's two. Yeah.
36:03
And they flipped over and they landed back into the Jeep.
36:06
So again, just coincidence. I don't know.
36:08
No, that's, that's a good, that's a good catch.
36:10
I didn't really kind of connect those two things when I first
36:12
saw it, but it is. True.
36:14
I get it buddy. You're locked in.
36:16
And this is Eddie's chance. Your boy.
36:18
Yeah. Just to save the day.
36:21
Yeah. And he does.
36:24
Ish. What did you think of the kill
36:26
though? Were you satisfied with the
36:28
level of I don't gore? There's not much to it, but are
36:31
you happy with it? I would have.
36:32
Loved a little bit more time eating.
36:38
Slow down I I mean I chew too fast.
36:41
That's right, you know that he's going to swim after, you know,
36:43
who knows? But yeah, I I thought overall it
36:46
was pretty good to to have him die and, and I think as a
36:48
character. He's a wink.
36:50
Yeah, I like that he's pulled apart, though.
36:52
I I did enjoy that generally, I thought this was the first life
36:55
that the movie has shown. It's an hour in.
36:57
That doesn't bode well. And it also merges, yes, the
37:01
good guys and the bad guys, for lack of a better term.
37:04
Yes, it could be a Gray area if you want, but.
37:06
Strangely, I really like this shot.
37:09
I don't know what it is, but I when I watched it this time
37:11
again, as you know, I've been very clear, there's very little
37:15
high spots in this. For whatever reason, the shot in
37:18
which they climb up, it was the first time in the movie I felt
37:21
connected to anything, and I really enjoyed the way that the
37:24
score hit. The camera kind of pulls and
37:25
there's shadows and mist and everybody kind of blends
37:28
together into one team. I did enjoy that.
37:30
Good. Wonderful.
37:31
Did you enjoy the fact that they dried instantly?
37:33
No. Like really dry.
37:34
Yeah, yeah, that's a hard rain. It's tough.
37:37
You would be that dry for a day. It's tough when we watch Jaws 4,
37:41
we'll we'll keep an eye out for something similar.
37:43
I forgot a couple of times in this movie that Spielberg's
37:46
directing. I it has no real connection to
37:48
me as a Spielberg. Yeah, it just doesn't.
37:50
Feel like it has no life to it, which is strange because so much
37:53
of the last movie I've. I credited so much to his
37:56
talent, and I see so little of it evident here.
38:00
It's interesting. It is interesting.
38:01
There's a disconnect somewhere along the way, buddy.
38:03
Yeah. Disconnected.
38:04
Like as if you're putting your earbuds in, just trying to
38:07
disconnect from the world. Well, there should have been a
38:09
rule. Yeah, there should have been a
38:11
rule. There really should have been.
38:12
Really should have been. There needs a rule.
38:14
The first rule is don't scream and yell when you get to
38:16
Dinosaur Island. The second rule I think, should
38:20
be don't tune out the world around you when you're on
38:23
Dinosaur Island. If you're Peter Stormare, you
38:26
might want to get some sort of acknowledgement that they hurt
38:29
you. Yeah.
38:29
You're going to be triple checking, I would say.
38:32
What I'm doing is I'm peeing right there.
38:34
Yeah, yeah. What do you need to watch me?
38:36
Do you drop in the deuce though? I'll do it there.
38:39
Yeah, I mean, that's you. Well, I just get I'm not going.
38:42
I'm in Dinosaur Island. What the fuck am I doing here?
38:44
Right. I agree.
38:46
But having said all that, Peter Stormare sort of represents the
38:50
Newman of. The Movie.
38:52
Would you say am I, am I OK saying that?
38:54
I think he's Newman is far more neurotic, but he is obviously,
38:57
again, he's the he. Made fun of the dinosaur.
39:00
If Schiff is the expendable good guy and Newman Nedry is the
39:05
expendable bad guy, then Stormar is Newman.
39:08
Also in the sense that he. Zaps Yes, he does not like these
39:13
little animals. Yeah, and doesn't take them
39:14
seriously. Yeah, much like Newman's
39:16
character. That's true.
39:17
Yeah, You're not an issue. Sure, character wise, he's the
39:19
Newman, but yeah, almost like, yeah, move for move.
39:22
He's doing the same playbook. Yeah.
39:24
Doesn't work out. Does not work out, no.
39:26
But it takes a couple tries. Did you like that it took that
39:30
long to kill him? No.
39:33
No, I wanted more. You want it?
39:34
I wanted it faster. Like I wanted them to like swarm
39:37
and destroy and that's it. Yeah, you got away.
39:40
Twice. Yeah, it just drags.
39:42
I think it doesn't need to be that love that he dies though.
39:45
Did you like the actual death scene itself?
39:47
How it's shown? Slash not shown.
39:50
Yeah, I didn't mind that. The blood in the stream, Yeah,
39:52
like it's it's kind of a classy, if you call it that way to go.
39:56
I did like that, you know, the practicality again, having
39:59
appliances attached and having them kind of really be puppeted.
40:03
And so forth. Yeah, look good.
40:04
It's better film making to have it behind so you don't have to
40:07
see the the, you know, like. Yeah, that would be hard to do.
40:10
Yeah, so I love that 97 and I love the water turning red.
40:14
I really like all of that. Yeah, I would say it just cut it
40:16
down. Just needs to be trimmed a
40:18
little bit. 2 instead of three. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
40:20
Yeah, just a little trim, but I overall, I thought very
40:22
effective. Exciting scene, shitty way to
40:25
go. It's not great.
40:32
Now, David, we've, we've talked before about sleep patterns.
40:35
You get a lot of Ram, you're deep.
40:37
I'm a little lighter lately, not so much with the third degree
40:40
burns. That's right.
40:41
I'll take it out of you. But yes, do you think as deep as
40:45
you usually sleep? Do you think that five dinosaurs
40:49
could be in your bedroom and you not wake up?
40:53
Wouldn't be the first time. You know, it's funny, I didn't
40:57
clue into that. OK, I know I should.
40:59
That should be absolutely better than.
41:01
That I am better than that, arguably, but you would, you
41:04
would think you would feel that. I just think I'm such a light
41:06
sleeper that I was like, there's no way.
41:07
Like the moment there was a disturbance in the airflow, I
41:10
would be like, what? What's happening?
41:11
Yeah. I don't think I'm sleeping under
41:13
those conditions. No.
41:14
That's another thing. Yeah, if you.
41:15
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not there.
41:16
Like I'm not going. First of all, exactly, I'm not
41:18
going. Did you feel Kelly was scared
41:23
the Lexi level when the dinosaur pops his head into the tent?
41:27
No, I don't think she's. I don't think she's as good.
41:29
You don't like her at all? I don't establish that.
41:31
She's very good. No she's not and I don't think
41:34
the character has anything to work with.
41:35
So some of it is her just again, kid actor, not a fan, but also
41:39
just the character. There's no real point for her
41:41
to. Be I'm surprised you haven't
41:42
mentioned the fact that it felt tacked on.
41:43
It did it it I did at the beginning.
41:45
It was on maybe because I attacked you last week.
41:48
That's right about the tack on situation, yes.
41:50
OK, yeah, yeah, I'm gun shy. Now, Bizarro Picard for me, it's
41:56
just easier to say than his acting name.
41:58
I guess. We could use his name in the
41:59
movie for sure, but you know who I'm talking about.
42:01
Yes, yes, Pete, possible weight. Somebody took out his bullets.
42:05
You don't need to tell me that later.
42:06
Exactly. That annoyed me.
42:08
No, Spielberg. Subtly in this movie, nothing at
42:11
all. Nothing at all.
42:13
But yeah, so so possible weight runs after the T Rex and we get
42:16
a the snake. What are you?
42:17
What the the the snake like Jesus, the snake man?
42:22
It's a shitty way to go. It's so shitty.
42:24
It's also boring. And he's a nice guy, sure.
42:27
David, Yeah, we like his name. He's.
42:28
Number two, yeah, I don't know. He's got knowledge.
42:31
Yes, he's gifted. Yeah, it's just silly.
42:34
But the blood coming down. Yeah, I'm OK with that.
42:38
Yeah, of course you. Are and then somehow Ian just
42:42
knows they're in there. I don't know.
42:44
Yeah, just what I think. I'm like, I got to, I got to
42:47
turn this off. Like there's just like it's I'm
42:48
not getting anything out of this movie.
42:50
We get the T Rex scene and like, OK, that was pretty cool.
42:53
And then it's like 1/2 hour of nonsense.
42:55
I'm like, I don't like anything that's happening after this.
42:58
I'm bored, I'm frustrated. And then we get the tall grass
43:02
and I'm right back in. It's the coolest scene of the
43:04
movie. What are your thoughts on the
43:06
Raptors? It's the only time in the movie
43:08
where I was in awe. Yeah, real awe.
43:11
OK, best shot of the movie. The overhead.
43:13
The overhead. I don't explain it to you, you
43:15
know. What I'm talking about, there's
43:16
an audience though. They're listening to the movie.
43:19
They watch the movie. Yeah, yeah.
43:20
It's just gorgeous. Just gorgeous.
43:22
And then picking them off 1 by 1.
43:24
Great film making. We've already established the
43:26
Raptors being such a problem. They are a problem and pack
43:29
hunting and we haven't seen them at all this movie.
43:31
So an hour and a half into it, it's even a real payoff.
43:34
Like you're saying, the shot is is captivating because you can't
43:37
see them. So you have that more of the
43:39
mystery of the mystique and pulling them down 1 by 1 is
43:43
terrifying. The problem is it's over in like
43:45
4 minutes. It is great quick, but overall I
43:47
thought very effective scene in a movie that so far has had so
43:50
few effective scenes. It's really my favorite scene
43:54
for sure. Hands down, buddy, and Vince
43:55
Vaughn puts his hand up to save the day.
43:57
Yeah, in a movie full of heroes, he's decided to step up.
44:00
Yep, and he has to get to an area some sort of, I don't know.
44:03
This is the power station. Effectively, it's the same thing
44:05
that Ellie did last time. Flick some buttons, get the
44:08
power back. It's the most elaborate
44:09
technological achievement in the history of mankind, and it's
44:12
just like a flick of a switch and you're fine.
44:13
But the others are still kind of running their own game.
44:17
We've got Julianne Moore now with the kid.
44:20
Showcase scene. This is it.
44:22
Tell me. I've already lamented so much
44:25
already. What are your thoughts on this
44:26
scene and how it comes together? Oh my God I hate it.
44:30
It just felt so written, not as in dialogue, but as an action.
44:35
Yeah. The way Julianne Moore's
44:37
character falls, this goes down out the window.
44:40
Sure. Come on, guys.
44:42
And the gymnastics of it all, obviously that comes into play.
44:46
It's perfect, the way she kicks the Raptor.
44:49
Kelly does. She doesn't have the velocity.
44:53
Yeah, to hit the Velociraptor that far.
44:56
Correct. In my opinion, no.
44:58
I agree. I'm not an expert.
45:00
I'm not an expert Phillip, on anything.
45:02
I think I'm going to back you either way.
45:04
I appreciate that the blind backing, I don't mind a little
45:07
bit around the Ian part in the in the truck, that's fine I
45:11
guess, but you are not winning. No.
45:13
Against these Raptors. And not with gymnastics.
45:17
Not without AT Rex. Yeah, coming in, gymnastics
45:20
aren't the answer. And it's just never the answer,
45:22
Never the answer. Kids, don't do it.
45:25
Don't do it. Maybe.
45:26
The ribbon, maybe the ribbon. That's it.
45:28
I love the ribbon. It's just so silly.
45:31
And this is your big like final. Big moment man.
45:33
Like it's your. It's your final battle.
45:35
Sadly, it's not. Sadly not.
45:37
That's right, actually, it's the last battle on the island
45:39
anyway. Yeah, and it's so generic and
45:42
tacked on. And the joke after you got cut
45:45
from the team? Come on man, like this sucks.
45:48
This is mostly a kept problem, yeah. one-on-one off.
45:52
That's it. If you'd done three, maybe that
45:54
would have been good. I don't know.
45:56
And, and, and miraculously, the choppers are like, right there.
45:59
Oh, yeah. Vaughn makes the call.
46:01
Stand by in minutes. The choppers there doesn't make
46:05
any sense to me. It's just like, let's just get
46:07
to the next moment and the next moment I hated 30 years ago and
46:12
I fucking hate now. San Diego, Yes, yes, San Diego.
46:17
It's really stupid. The boat is approaching and now
46:20
we've got a dinosaur in San Diego.
46:22
I hated every second of this. We have another John Mcclane
46:25
moment, Die Hard 5, for those who haven't listened to that
46:28
episode. Everyone's just staring at the
46:31
boat, dumbfounded, looking at the radar, looking at it.
46:35
It's not going to stop it. Nope, no one does anything.
46:38
They just wait for it to come in.
46:40
Because it's foggy in San Diego. They say that's possible, but if
46:44
it's on the radar, you know it like, yeah, it's the opposite
46:47
Spielberg problem. It's like you can't see it, so
46:49
it doesn't exist, but you know it exists because you're looking
46:51
at a radar, the radar that says it's coming at you and it kills
46:54
the. Hell out of there, it tells you
46:55
the speed. My gosh, the only thing that I
46:57
enjoyed in this last half an hour, I have to tell you, as you
47:01
could probably imagine, is the video store.
47:04
Yes, and I paused it to see some of the, Oh yeah, some of the
47:08
movie titles. 97 Oh, here we go. Yeah, we've got Schwarzenegger.
47:12
He's in King Lear. God, we've got Robin Williams
47:15
and Jack and the Beanstalks. I did notice and.
47:18
We've got Tom Hanks in Tsunami, Sir Sunrise.
47:21
And these are all fake. These are all fake movies but
47:23
full on posters in the Blockbuster.
47:25
But anyway, that's I was like, oh, I just love video stores.
47:28
I miss them so much so I was happy to see them.
47:30
That's good. You probably noticed that there
47:32
was a guy. And I don't know if I did notice
47:33
the guy. Anytime a movie has this like
47:37
close up of a random extra, basically it's somebody.
47:40
Yeah, I'm like, it's somebody. So I will then like kind of try
47:43
and research who the guy is. But yeah, anyway, it's David
47:46
Kepp. When he.
47:47
Gets eaten. What did you think of the
47:49
Japanese fleeing? It's a Godzilla.
47:53
Yeah, exactly. It's like a wink and a funny ha
47:55
ha. Oh God, it just made me sick.
47:59
Ingen guy is dead. We've got, you know, trust in
48:01
nature. I think somebody says maybe
48:04
like, OK, I guess that's the this movie's version of life
48:08
finds a way and it's fucking horrible.
48:11
One good line. Talk to me.
48:13
Follow the screams. That is a funny line.
48:16
Here you go. Yeah.
48:17
Where are we going? Well, follow the screams.
48:18
That is funny, yeah. I feel like they instead of
48:22
thinking of the should, they thought of the could.
48:26
Yeah. Can we put a dinosaur in a city?
48:29
Yeah. And they shouldn't have.
48:32
That's a perfect. And they did.
48:33
That's a perfect metaphor for this movie.
48:35
Yeah. They thought all about the ways
48:36
they can market it and sell it and package it and put it on a
48:40
lunch box and do all the things they didn't think if they
48:43
should. They were more concerned if they
48:44
could. That's how that's the fucking
48:46
movie right there. You nailed it.
48:47
That's. What I do, buddy, what I bring
48:49
fucking. Embarrassing what I bring that
48:51
this movie gets to be part of what came before it and doesn't
48:56
have the excuse of having been directed by an idiot.
49:00
It's true, right? Like most my movies, like
49:02
Trevero or whatever, making those world movies struggle
49:05
because they have bad casting and bad writing and bad
49:08
direction and bad everything. This is a Spielberg movie
49:11
written by David Kepp, Vince Vaughn.
49:13
I don't have to name them all like gold.
49:15
Boom, like all these people are back and you produce such dreck
49:19
it's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed.
49:21
I really used to like this movie.
49:23
I, I didn't hate it. I didn't hate it and I and I
49:25
stood up for it. Yes, you defended.
49:27
It far more than I thought. I still think it's somewhat
49:29
entertaining. The hardest part was watching it
49:32
right after watching the original.
49:34
That's the mistake I made. I should have waited.
49:36
I think that's true. You know we're.
49:38
In the a month maybe 2. We're in the the the binge
49:41
watching of television and I think the same where it's like
49:44
you want to have things fester. I think so.
49:47
I get a good season finale back in the day of quality shows.
49:50
Of course, yeah. I want to wait as much as I
49:53
don't want to wait. Like I want to wait the 6-8
49:55
months until it comes back because there's anticipation.
49:58
But in the binge model, it's like I could just kill two
50:00
seasons in a weekend. It's like nothing means anything
50:03
because you're just watching it to churn and nothing has any
50:07
weight. That's why I love Jericho so
50:08
much, because it was made to go week to week.
50:11
It would leave you each week hanging like Oh my God I can't
50:14
wait for next week. This is going to be awesome.
50:17
But if you're watching it on the span in like I did 10 episodes
50:20
today and you're like, OK, nothing feels anything.
50:23
You're just like, I got to tick the box.
50:25
This movie felt like a lot of ticket of the box.
50:27
It's frustrating. And I wonder I read years later
50:31
about the the pterodactyl that they wanted to have pterodactyls
50:35
in this one, but the technology wasn't there.
50:38
Got to wait. And then by the time part three,
50:41
it was in in production, which to my understanding is has
50:45
pterodactyls in it. Have you seen it?
50:46
No Oh well, geez. Uh oh.
50:49
It has pterodactyls from my understand the cover that the
50:51
poster art. It'll make me do it.
50:53
Don't make me do it. Sam, Neil's back.
50:55
OK, that's interesting. Well.
50:57
You didn't know that. Either I don't know anything
50:58
about it. I know that there's third actors
50:59
because that was the cover, the poster art.
51:01
Was the movie guy. I didn't know Sam Neil was in
51:03
dress. I thought I hated so much that I
51:05
just never watched the franchise again.
51:08
OK I think I actually went and my ex and I went to see the
51:11
Jurassic World and I was like this sucks and I never saw
51:13
another one. They get progressively worse.
51:15
I've gone on record saying it and I stand by that.
51:18
Fantastic. I'm going to give you a few
51:20
months though. Break OK before we.
51:22
Yeah, appreciate it, folks. We're going to give you about a
51:25
week break before you hear our voices again.
51:28
I can't tell you how little I cared for this movie.
51:31
I think it's terrible and it sucks.
51:32
Dave, your final recollections, as it were similar to Bow on it.
51:36
Similar to you, I liked it. I'm glad we're on the same page.
51:40
I think there's still some fun scenes in it.
51:44
I think. Ian Malcolm AKA Jeff Goldblum,
51:46
still entertaining, just wasn't enough to carry the film,
51:50
unfortunately. He's a side guy.
51:52
And that one really cool Raptor scene isn't quite enough to have
51:57
me come back and watch this movie anytime soon.
52:00
Yeah, I might be pretty much done with this movie.
52:03
I might watch 3456 because I haven't watched much of it.
52:07
If I want sort of something new, you have.
52:08
The whole box set like all no. Three.
52:11
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