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Fix the System and Not the Girls? Talking With Creativity Engineer Savvy! | Badger Pod GamerGate 4 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  I'm here with this is Badger Pod gamer Gate number four. We're kind of
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  I'm kind of like bringing back the old Badger Pod gamer Gate with that we
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  used to do back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen and talking to various people
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  that are really active in that space. So I am joined by Alison.
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  As you could see, I dropped her in there and every our special guest
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  is yes, she is back, and our special guest is Savvy, and
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  Hi Savvy, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me.
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  I'm really looking forward to today's conversation. Oh really, well man,
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  that's great, me too. So Savvy, you are like a basically you
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  got involved with this whole Sweet Baby Inc. You know, detected business,
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  and you had a really unique you know, information you're bringing forward. And
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  this is the reason why I was drawn to, like, you know,
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  wanting to have you on our show because when this whole thing happened a lot
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  of people are talking about it on a kind of and I don't I'm not
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  saying this to be disparaging, to be clear, but kind of on a
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  surface level, right, like where it's like, you know, they're talking
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  about they're getting into the weeds about specific games that were changed and specific things
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  that people said, and and you know like how they felt about that stuff.
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  But but I was always of the mind that there is something deeper happening
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  that people are not talking about, and you have brought some of that stuff
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  to light, and so I guess what before we get into that, and
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  I do want to get into that. Before we get into that, though,
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  what is it that you do and how did you get sucked into this
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  thing? So when all this started, I was originally just on the sidelines
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  again because my focus is more so on the art community, and so I've
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  been involved in the conversation of artists getting canceled for drawing the wrong thing.
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  But I wasn't knee deep in the video game aspect of it just yet.
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  And what set me off was after Alyssa wrote the Kotaku article, doctor Cowort
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  came out through take this and wrote an article linking it. Now, somebody
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  else came out and said, hey, these people are funded by DHS,
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  but they didn't really go too deep into it, and for some reason that
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  stuck with me. DHS for those who don't know is the Department of Homeland
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  Security in America, and they focus on extremism and terrorist recruitment basically, you
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  know, trying to keep the homeland safe. They are also one of the
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  oh I'm sorry if you can hear my cat in the background. They're also
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  they're also one of the big spenders for government, so they give out grants
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  all the time. But I couldn't let that go to the point of I
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  actually called DHS and I said, hey, could you look up this grant
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  number for me? Because take this sprinkles it randomly on their website and they
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  couldn't be found through their business name, through the tax name, and I
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  was so confused. I was like, surely this is a problem on my
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  part. And a Google search a few hours later led me to find out
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  that they managed to get the grant by partnering with Middlebury College using the language
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  of extremism and terrorist recruitment through video games. And that set me down the
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  rabbit hole. So we have to actor Cowort to thank for me uncovering all
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  of this and finding all the grants. I just I have a bit of
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  a point of clarification. So you're saying that you weren't actually able to find
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  the entity behind this group. So Take This tries to prop themselves up,
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  and on their website they randomly list at the bottom of some articles, not
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  all of them, that you know, this work is made possible through the
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  funding of DHS. And then they listen to grant number and so DH actually
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  publicly shows all of the approved grants that they've had. And when you go
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  to search for it, I was searching for Take This, but they're not
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  listed Undertake This because Take This themselves is not directly funded. They had to
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  work with Yeah, they had to work with a college in order to get
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  it. Oh, okay, all right, So it's sort of a deflection.
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  So we're not dealing with like corporate shell games or like multiple nested companies
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  to hide stuff. Probably no, in this case, government games. Yes,
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  yologists. Yeah, sociologists in made up fields enjoy propping themselves up through
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  funding, and unfortunately DHS loves to fund you if you use the right language.
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  DHS has funded a number of things in the past. Way. Government
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  spending is this very spicy topic. You can go to Google and you can
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  find so many different wasteful spending articles from all sides of the aisle, you
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  know, from from the left, from the right, whatever people label it
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  as. This unfortunately is another wasteful spending one. So they received six hundred
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  and sixty nine thousand dollars for two years. I think it was, Yeah,
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  it was. Yeah, I'm sorry. There's multiple two that I've looked
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  into for for some funding. There's another group that received seven hundred thousand dollars.
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  So it's it's it's fun if you look at what DHS spends their money
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  on. Yeah, we went you went down this particular rabbit hole with a
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  use Twitter user named b X well I think on X and she actually alerted
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  us to the fact that we apparently DHS has funded some kind of initiative that's
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  that's looking at us in particular, which is well basically man what they called
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  manosphere con tent with the desire to adjacent. Yeah, we're basically considered manager
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  because we were This channel, Bachelized Streams, has a focus on discussing issues
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  faced by men and boys that are overlooked by people in most other areas,
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  things like you know, child custody, divorce, core, false allegation,
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  circumcision, you know, basic things, right, but they the Yeah,
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  with the DHS they they they paid I think it was also seven hundred grand
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  or in grants to certain I guess you could say, counter influencers in universities
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  to try to redirect traffic away from content like ours towards more you know,
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  feminist friendly type of destinations, and they they So it's it's really weird because
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  that happened. We learned about that really, like just a few months before
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  we learned about the sweet Baby inc thing, and now you bringing forward the
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  exact same thing, which is what got my attention. So and I think
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  that this, to me speaks to the possibility that there's a lot more of
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  things, you know, a lot more things like this going on in all
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  aspects of our you know, our media as well as our social media and
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  our schools and everything else, because I mean, what are the odds you
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  know, of like I don't know, if casting your net in in an
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  ocean and pulling up a swordfish twice, you know, And not that they're
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  not being something weird about that, it's no, it's it's very strange because
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  all the groups use very same language. You know, ten years ago it
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  was a different type of language. Now it's extremism and conservative voices that they're
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  targeting, but it's all very anti mail, which is so strange and unfortunately
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  our entertainment industry with it not being you know, something that's that's survival based,
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  like something that you need in your life. They they really really want
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  to be able to control that and really continue to push whatever narrative that they
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  want. But it comes in cycles of course. So you know, we're
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  saying now pushback because people are refusing to be controlled by this because the statistics
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  do not support their claims. In fact, the sociologists are part of these
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  groups take this. Some of the EGRN who I've delve into, they were
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  the ones who just got the Canadian grant for three hundred and seventeen thousand dollars
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  looking into the exact same thing of the extremism and terrorist recruitment and video games.
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  Their own people acknowledge that there's no information to support this, but when
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  they write their grants and they're requesting funding, they make it sound like an
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  immediate problem. So it's really disingenuous, and that's how you know that it's
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  all a fake grift that they're just latching onto something so that way they can
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  get their next paycheck. Yeah, Alison, are you familiar with take this?
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  I feel like if you don't know what it is, you might need
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  a little bit of a refresh. I'm not familiar with take this. Please
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  please give me the rundown so that I are you sure? Yeah, no,
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  I'm gonna tell you no. It just sounded like you're acting a little
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  bit. Okay, So I have the website here on the screen. I'm
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  no, No, I mean I was just wondering if you knew, but
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  you thought that we were just doing like an ad, you know, like,
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  Oh, I am not familiar with this particular candidate. Can you please
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  tell me more? You know, tend to say about Yeah what dude?
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  Seven out of ten doctors say about uh so, okay, so what is
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  take this? You can? I have it up on the screen here,
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  Tabby. Can you give a little do you? Can you give a little
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  summary of them, of what they do or what they say they do?
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  On paper? Take this? Actually on paper? It sounds like a very
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  nice initiative. They basically focus on mental health in video games, so they
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  want to They claim to want to uplift individuals struggling with mental health. They
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  want to help create safe environments and provide a community for individuals who maybe have
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  been bullied or suffered from harassment or things like that. They are in no
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  way, shape or form, in my opinion just looking at their website qualified
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  to talk about terrorist recruitment. But what do I know, What do I
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  know, I'm just an artist. Yeah, And they when I learned about
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  them, Allison, is when they responded to They had this article here called
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  responding to gamer Gate two, which I am sharing this now, and it
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  basically goes, I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I think
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  that you know, you can conclude that this is yeah, it's the same
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  old song, right. It's just like there's a bunch of you know,
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  terrible, hateful people on the internet harassing women and people of color, and
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  that it's all abuse and it's all really bad and and take this as supposed
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  to be in supportive people with special needs. So it's a it's a it's
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  a bit rich, but like I'm a bit worrying in my opinion too.
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  So that's where that's kind of like one of the things that sent Savvy down
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  the rabbit hole. Okay, so so uh so, okay, I have
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  this other thing I'm gonna share, and this is something that that really got
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  my attention. It was this girl geek academy. So what's the deal with
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  this uh savvy? It is? So, I guess it started in Australia.
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  And while I don't have demographic information for Australia off the top of my
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  head or experiences in Australia the way that I do for America, I do
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  have friends in the education system out there, and I'm told it's very similar
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  to America. So when I talk about my personal experiences in a second,
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  I'm pretty sure it can all be applied to Australia as well. But basically,
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  they are a an initiative started by three white women and an Asian woman
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  attempting to state that the STEM career field is regressing in terms of gender equality.
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  Every single piece of information in the last five years will tell you opposite.
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  So I'm not certain where they're getting this information from. But I've somehow
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  managed to shoehorn themselves into some talks with some big companies, Nintendo and Lego
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  being some of them, where they've somehow convinced them that women are not taken
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  seriously in the stemfield, that there's no funding for women, that there's you
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  know, no push to get women into science, that there's no women in
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  game development. They've given talks at GDC and there were a couple of other
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  other big things that they had done as well, but overall they're basically using
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  antiquated data to try to support themselves to get money through consulting, just like
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  all these other groups. So it's it's just more disingenuous bullpucky. If you
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  go to there at the very top, they say, read our latest report.
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  I have it right here, I'm going to share it right now.
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  It's this pdf right well. Actually, so if you go back to the
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  page by one, we don't even have to look at that. If we
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  look at their top five key findings, which are not backed by any form
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  of data link statistics, whatso happen? It's right here right here. Yeah,
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  break them down, to break each of these down. So number one,
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  it says girls and women passionate and interested in stemmer squeezed out of learning,
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  out of the learning and the industry at all stages of the career.
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  That is BS they are actually fast tracked and preyed upon in a way because
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  the moment that a woman says, I like science in college. Your advisors
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  and your professors are way up your ours trying to shoehorn you into something.
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  I personally had two professors individually trying to swing me in their directions, which
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  put me off a good bit because it didn't matter what I was interested in,
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  even though I would tell them, they just said, well, you
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  should come over here because reasons. The only professor to actually give a damn
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  about my interest was actually my writing class professor, and he tried to get
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  me to switch because he loved going over my work because he thought I was
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  a curious case of how can you write this well? Being so poorly read?
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  I don't understand you. So you know the even at the professor level,
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  the introductory classes, they want to keep you there. Number two,
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  the STEM career pipeline is designed for men, not women. There's no gender
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  lens. Again, that is complete bullpucky. It has been degraded for the
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  fast tracking, and the standards have been lowered over time to allow more people
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  through. This is evident, as you can see, at every level of
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  education in our system, fewer people than ever are actually prepared for for college
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  now and even worse, they will be lenient with you. I personally again
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  was miserable at chemistry. I don't understand a lot of the concepts in it,
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  especially the math, but they overlooked it because I was a woman.
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  There was a guy who I was side by side with. He actually did
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  better than me, and he was not allowed to pass. But I was
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  so explain that number two. Number three, the STEM field fails to provide
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  efficient role models for women, men, or non binary people. This has
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  got to be, again, the most bullshit line that they've got role models,
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  they don't. STEM industry fails to provide effective role models for women,
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  men, or non binary people. Well, why don't you just say humans
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  the STEM industry, not non binary stem effective role model? What I know?
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  That covers it? Yeah, that kind of covers everybody, unless of
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  horse role models for like lizard people aliens. Uh, the g really weird.
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  Well, it's just it's just rhetoric. It's just rhetoric. They're casting
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  a magic spell with words. But go on, savvy. Yeah, so
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  apparently famous scientists have never existed. I'm surprised they don't actually have an entire
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  shrine to Dorothy Hodgkin because she she's one of the one of the most important
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  I think women in science. But I mean again that's debatable. But so
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  she was a she basically helped with with developing X rays so that way we
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  could determine structures at the biomolecular level, which we all rely on today in
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  science. So I don't know, I don't know how they can get away
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  with writing this, And I don't know why companies don't care enough to ask
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  enough questions. But it's because they get a check checkbox. You know,
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  if they work with Girl Geek Academy, they get a checkbox for their taxes.
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  They get a checkbox for funding. The next one, number four,
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  investment and talented girls and women is inadequate and discriminatory, resulting in a loss
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  of innovation and economic benefit to Australia. Again, this is another flat out
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  lie. And I would know this because I was too lazy to pursue any
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  of the scholarships that were available just for women and women only, which requires
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  zero talent for application. When when I say zero talent, I'm not insulting
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  anyone. I'm stating that you literally apply to it. State that you're a
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  woman, state what you're interested in and then you'll get funding based off of
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  if that field needs more people or not. And then the last one,
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  being a gender change agent in technology is exhausting and traumatizing, and the backlash
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  is real. There is zero backlash. In fact, they are creating the
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  backlash by lowering all of the educational standards. So in the next ten years
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  we're going to see a lot of problems because the standards have been lowered so
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  much, only going to have to lower even more. So there's all these
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  unprepared individuals going into medicine right now, and that's going to cause some real
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  health problems in the future for all people, not just the people with the
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  jobs. Yeah, that's breakdown. Yeah, it's good. I mean,
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  like, we have the paper, I could I could send it to Alison.
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  She could look through that to see if the methodology is solid. Pretty
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  sure I know where it's going to land, but it is worth I guess
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  maybe looking at but I wanna I want to look at this a little bit
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  more closely. So Number one, this this jumped out at me immediately and
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  I and I'm trying to find the link here because they give you first of
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  all this this these colors are just like hurting my eyeballs. For for one,
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  I don't like, why would you if you're serious about getting women in
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  the STEM, why would you make this look like, you know, the
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  romper room, Like, why would you make it look so childish? It
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  it's really it's really really condescending, like just not even I'm not even a
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  woman, and I feel like andreed to in a really awful way. Button.
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  Yeah, the colors, like what's with all the pastels? This is
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  ugly? But look okay? So number one is this? It says girls
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  and women passionate and interested in STEM are squeezed out of learning and industry at
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  all stages of their careers. So they give you, like their their thesis
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  or whatever on one problem and then they add like this you know this,
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  I don't know mantra or chance, you know, fix the blank, not
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  the girls? Right? Why does it say fix the violence, not the
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  girl? Is that like how women are being kept out of STEM? I
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  know they're not being kept out of STEM. I know that's not happening.
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  I know that you're right. They're being they're being pushed into it regardless of
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  their skill set. Like you know, women are getting like way more degrees
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  they're they're much more educated than men. That doesn't mean they're smarter, that
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  they're more educated, though, they're getting an education at higher rates, and
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  they're being pushed into every discipline, in particular the STEM fields. Like that's
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  like a place you know specifically, so that's not happening. But on top
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  of that, though, like, why is the narrative that there is some
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  kind of threat to girls trying to go into STEM. Why would it say
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  fix the violence and not the girls. Have you thought about this? It's
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  just part of the only way that they can get people on their side.
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  They have to create a problem, even if the problem doesn't exist, and
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  it comes from people who don't know how to write, how to present themselves,
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  or how to research. So all this tells me is that they don't
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  actually have an education and that they're just screaming infants, screaming infants trying to
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  use words to basically bully people into into this, like, oh, you
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  don't think that there's enough women stem? What are you violent? What are
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  you a terrible person? Why don't you want women in science? Do you
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  not think women can do this? And then that's all they do. They
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  don't try to actually show you statistics, because again all of the statistics,
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  if you look at the last three or four years, even the persons are
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  only increasing for the number of women joining the field. Yes, and just
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  because too. The other thing to this is just because women aren't aren't joining
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  it at a fifty to fifty rate. They need to look into what women
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  are actually going into because a lot of women, and again this isn't all
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  of them, but a lot of them go into more care related fields.
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  We have, you know again, nurses programs that are predominantly women. I
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  don't see them complaining about that, and that's still considered stem in a way.
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  Yeah, medicine, yep, yeah, you know, women want to
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  be more so in a position of care or a front facing part of the
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  part of the industry, or other jobs you know, like real estate agents
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  are a lot of them are women, and that's because it's a very sociable
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  position. Women excel at positions like that. Now, if they really wanted
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  to focus on equality, they should be saying, hey, women need to
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  join the oil fields, women need to join construction. But of course they
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  don't. They don't care about that narrative because that's that's where these people all
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  crumble. Yeah, so uh before I say the next thing, Alison,
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  do you want to say anything to that? Well, of course they use
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  the word violence because violence is scary. And if you if you, if
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  you say, well wait, let's look at the statistics. What what are
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  you actually asking for? What do you what are you saying? What are
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  you saying about reality? They'll just say, well, are you for violence
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  against women? And it's very difficult to come back from that. I mean,
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  you're like, oh, yes, yeah, because almost nobody is right,
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  so it is. It is a good way to put people immediately on
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  the back foot, yeah, immediately on the defensive end. Then everybody focuses
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  on trying to either fight off the accusation, well, prove that they don't
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  really care about violency, and then and then the whole process of actually ascertaining
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  if these people are describing something that is real goes to the back burner.
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  It's it's it's just, it's just it's a way of turning people's brains off
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  and making them comply. So that's why they use the word violence, and
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  it has actually nothing to do with reality, because I do not think that
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  they're like, you know, clockwork orange gangs in universities, anti women in
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  stem gangs. I mean, there was one guy like in the eighties in
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  Canada and we they we've never stopped talking about it. Never. Yeah.
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  And the other problem too is a lot of people are not trained in the
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  art of speaking when it comes to asking questions. This isn't a skill that's
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  taught in school. It comes from experience. Typically or not enough people are
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  pushed into debate. So what you said is actually spot on. You know,
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  people will suddenly start deflecting and start trying to prove that they're not for
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  violence, when what they need to ask is, well, what violence is
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  being done? Make these people explain themselves and you'll find that they can't.
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  And that's my whole shtick to on Twitter. All I do is ask people
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  to explain themselves and they never do same thing I do say a thing on
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  Twitter. That's that's a lot of my activity. I eventually get a lot
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  of the individuals who use these kinds of narratives. They don't want to use
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  your its them, but you know they use these narratives to extort compliance.
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  And then I will just ask them questions which they never They never want to
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  stand for anything. They never want to clarify their points, and eventually it'll
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  come down to one question that when yes or no question that they refuse to
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  answer, just refuse, flat out refuse because they want it both ways.
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  They want to be able to say yes if the violence is horrible, but
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  then not be responsible for having s because then they would be they would have
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  to you know, they'd have to produce receipts, you know. And and
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  so it's this constant like refusal to answer questions and even regarding questions as being
• 25:11
  offensive, which is amazing to me. I'm like, they'll say things like,
• 25:15
  it's not my job to educate you. Have you gotten that yet?
• 25:18
  Oh gosh, I've seen it. No one has personally said it to me
• 25:22
  because my questions are so so poignant. And yeah, they have to be
• 25:27
  really really pointed too, so they can't like run from them. Yeah yep,
• 25:32
  yeah, yep. If it's interesting. And the people who try to
• 25:37
  stand in for the original poster, they are so easy to dismantle because they
• 25:41
  they one cannot speak for them, and two suddenly the narratives are slightly different
• 25:45
  because there's a lot of now infighting with these types of people. So it's
• 25:51
  it's just it's fun to watch them try to think. It's kind of like
• 25:53
  giving giving a monkey a really advanced problem and he really wants the prize,
• 26:00
  he really wants the banana, but he has no idea how to push the
• 26:03
  shapes through the hole. So I want to say that I really appreciate your
• 26:11
  perspective on this, because this is kind of like, so we I don't
• 26:15
  know, if you were involved with gamer Gate ten years ago, you're probably
• 26:18
  like too young to care, but I don't know, I know. Yeah,
• 26:23
  So when this was going on ten years ago, one thing I was
• 26:26
  trying to do was bring people's attention to what I think was the real problem.
• 26:32
  Like people were talking about the ethics and journalism thing, and I was
• 26:36
  like, well, wait a minute, but where do the ethics come from?
• 26:38
  Like it's it's not simply like people are taking money from developers and getting
• 26:44
  like hotel rooms and flights. I mean, there's there's that's not really cause
• 26:48
  to attack your customer base, right, like call them names and playing that
• 26:52
  they're bigots and all this other stuff like where do they get the web?
• 26:57
  Yeah? Where does the weapon from? And why do they use it this
• 27:00
  way? And why are they unable to you know, have a moment of
• 27:04
  self reflection or why do they always double down? Why do they always lie?
• 27:07
  Why do they always you know project right? And no one was like,
• 27:15
  I mean people, some people caught onto that and and they're they kind
• 27:18
  of like, you know, inform their future actions and their beliefs. But
• 27:22
  a lot of people didn't quite get it, and they were just like,
• 27:23
  well, I just want my games to be like, you know, like
• 27:27
  reviewed fairly or something well reviewed fairly at that time. Now it's and now
• 27:33
  that it's having like a direct impact. It's not like people on the outside
• 27:37
  that journalists and and political commentators and activists on YouTube, you know what their
• 27:42
  little websites making remarks about like what games, how games are toxic and the
• 27:48
  gamer audience is toxic. Now it's the people their independent efforts, you know,
• 27:52
  their indie games, right yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, or
• 27:56
  support promoting their the indie games that nobody wants to play because they're just not
• 28:00
  interested. But now it's people that are actually involved in the industry and they're
• 28:07
  shaping and changing like the landscape at the at the highest levels, at triple
• 28:12
  A levels, right. And when people say, well, I'm I think
• 28:15
  I'm gonna make Like when Carutus Rambo, who was a guest on our show,
• 28:19
  when he was like, well, I think I'm gonna make a list
• 28:22
  of all the games the people are involved with. He gets attacked for it.
• 28:25
  And so I guess what I'm what I'm This is a two part thing.
• 28:27
  One is I appreciate that you are looking behind the curtain and not getting
• 28:33
  caught up in like, you know, let me make the defense for why
• 28:36
  Resident Evil five is not racist. But you're instead you're like, wait,
• 28:40
  wait a minute, Wait a minute, wherever this comes from, Let's get
• 28:41
  to that, and why is this happening? And so I guess what I
• 28:45
  want to ask you is what do you think it is? Where do you
• 28:49
  think it's coming from? So it is a deeper problem, and I'm using
• 28:56
  problem a little bit loosely here. Our governments around the world have somehow managed
• 29:06
  to incentivize this concept of DEI of ESG, and so companies obviously look for
• 29:15
  profits. They want to save money. If I spend eighty thousand dollars here
• 29:19
  to hire this checkbox individual, and we can say hey, we're ESG approved,
• 29:25
  Hey we've got this. Many diverse characters, or we've got these types
• 29:30
  of people working for us, so we have these kinds of demographics in our
• 29:33
  company. Then they get to save money in the long run. They get
• 29:37
  to save money through loans, they get investment opportunities through black Rock and Vanguard,
• 29:42
  they get tax breaks and whatever else. Sometimes even and this is an
• 29:48
  unfortunate side effect that a lot of people haven't actually spoken too much on,
• 29:52
  is the lower quality individuals that they're hiring also means they don't have to pay
• 29:57
  them as much. So the more people take these positions for a lower amount
• 30:03
  of a salary, the worse it is for everybody in the long run.
• 30:07
  And so what happened with gamer Gate one was really odd. I was twenty
• 30:15
  something at the time and I was in college, and I didn't really I
• 30:19
  didn't pay too much attention to it, but I thought it was a load
• 30:22
  of bullpucky and I didn't think it was going to go anywhere. And unfortunately
• 30:26
  it made it to the un and they turned everything into a disingenuous conversation because
• 30:33
  by the early two thousands, we had solved social problems. We had solved
• 30:40
  a lot of the issues that they're claiming is the problem now, and they're
• 30:44
  creating the problems now so that way they can get money because they don't have
• 30:48
  the skills to go make their own studios, to create their own characters and
• 30:53
  their own stories and things like that. And this ties back into the concept
• 30:57
  of the entertainment industry not being a survival a survival need for people. But
• 31:03
  you know something that people do enjoy and that people spend a lot of money
• 31:07
  on. Yeah, it's a luxury thing. And so as life becomes easier,
• 31:11
  more people are getting involved in luxury goods, even though only something like
• 31:18
  I think, what is it, like two percent of the world is on
• 31:22
  the internet daily. You know, that's a big number when you think about
• 31:25
  the global population. So that's a lot of money for advertisers, that's a
• 31:29
  lot of money for companies. That's a lot of money for movies and games
• 31:33
  and all of this, right, you know, you look at it.
• 31:34
  Look look at how much money moves through the game gaming, the gaming industry
• 31:40
  alone. It's ridiculous. That's why Blackrock invested into Nintendo. So it it
• 31:48
  all comes down to money. Unfortunately, nobody gives a crap. And you
• 31:53
  can see the language too with actually AI I'm just going to liken it to
• 31:57
  this really really quickly. So there are now video games that come out and
• 32:01
  say, oh, we've got we've got AI and our system. You know,
• 32:04
  we've got a we've got an AI and artificial intelligence memory system for our
• 32:07
  characters and they'll remember the choices that you make. Well, we've had that
• 32:12
  since Fallout and it was just called the memory system. It wasn't AI related.
• 32:17
  But the companies who are claiming it now to be AI are getting additional
• 32:22
  funding because that's the next best thing. That's the next jump. Now we're
• 32:25
  going to go from diversity to AI, and that's where all the VC money
• 32:30
  is. That's where where the next tech tech investments are. So they're they're
• 32:36
  misrepresenting things again to get funding. And that's it. All of this is
• 32:42
  just one giant misinterpretation of data because you can make data say whatever you want
• 32:47
  so that way they can get funding at the end of the day. That's
• 32:51
  it. M So basically nobody who actually believes this stuff. Yeah, no,
• 32:57
  I actually need one. I actually came to that conclusion. Over for
• 33:01
  a long time on honey Baggerator, we would do reactions to uh feminist presentations
• 33:08
  it's mostly feminist presentations, because then I can get into why. And what
• 33:14
  I noticed over and over and over again is this particular expression on their faces
• 33:20
  which is consistent with something. Have you heard something called duping delight? Douper's
• 33:25
  delight? It's probably it is. It is an expression when somebody who is
• 33:32
  getting away with a lie or getting away with something. It's like it's a
• 33:37
  cock eyed grin. It's unmistakable when you when you see it on somebody's face,
• 33:42
  you you can tell that it's basically the same as like the cat,
• 33:45
  the cat that ate the canary, the shit eating grin, h u zee.
• 33:49
  But so I saw it again and again and again describing these horrible things,
• 33:54
  but with a with a cock eye grin on their face. I'm like,
• 33:58
  what the heck? And I include in. Eventually, they don't believe
• 34:02
  what they're talking about. They're selling you something that they don't even believe themselves.
• 34:07
  They don't even care, except that it just opens up wallets and gets
• 34:10
  people to listen to them and comply. And that's it. That's all it
• 34:15
  is. It's mouth noises to hit buttons and get things. Like you were
• 34:17
  saying, like an infant who just throws a temper tantrum in order to acquire
• 34:22
  goods or acquire I don't know, a lolli or whatever whatever they want.
• 34:27
  And there's actually a great book that I wish that I could recommend for every
• 34:31
  single person to read. It's called What every Body Is Saying. It's by
• 34:36
  an ex FBI agent, and so he actually teaches you how to read people's
• 34:40
  facial expressions. This is how they profile people. And this was something that
• 34:45
  I read back in college. And what you're describing is exactly something that he's
• 34:51
  he gave it a different name. But these kinds of skills are super super
• 34:55
  important for people because when you watch these people present at like GDC or watch
• 35:00
  their presentations, you know, listen to it without sound and just read their
• 35:06
  body language because you're exactly right on the way that their facial expressions are,
• 35:10
  and they tell you everything you need to know about these you know, like
• 35:15
  it shows how narcissistic they are and what they're getting away with, Like you
• 35:19
  can't hide your face, it's basic biology, you know. You you these
• 35:23
  people are not trained. They won't know that they're giving everything away through their
• 35:28
  body language. Maybe maybe the next stage is that they'll train and start to
• 35:34
  start to appear very genuine and that that requires effort. Now, that requires
• 35:38
  effort, and these people does to effort effort, they would create something of
• 35:44
  worth. And I think there's an there might be an instinct though to pick
• 35:47
  up on this. But okay, so I want to I want to ask
• 35:52
  something else. But before we do, I should read the superchow that we
• 35:54
  got and maybe let people know. If you guys want to send us a
• 35:58
  message of any question us or savvy, you can send a super CHOWD.
• 36:02
  We're going to feed the Badgel dot com Ford slash just the tip or inside
• 36:07
  a super chat or a rumble rant. I'm watching the rumble chat as well,
• 36:10
  and shout out to everybody who is watching over on a Honey Badger arcade
• 36:15
  and rumble thank you so much. Okay, So this superchow comes from Richard
• 36:19
  Bierre, who gives us five bucks and says, there used to be in
• 36:22
  an infomercial guy who wore a suit with the question marks all over it,
• 36:25
  and he was selling a directory of every government grant program available. This thing
• 36:30
  looked less like a metropolitan telephone directory. So this wasteful spending isn't limited to
• 36:36
  a single department in the government. Remember what I said about that wash Bay,
• 36:40
  and consider that the disbursement of funds is somewhere between ten and twenty percent
• 36:46
  of what is bought into the government or brought into the government, as the
• 36:51
  remainder is absorbed by overhead and administrative costs. Thank you for that, super
• 36:57
  Chow. So what he's saying is that the seven hundred thousand is actually probably
• 37:01
  represents seven million of taxpayer money, just just just to it's probably yeah,
• 37:08
  nothing, it's probably really understated for sure, Okay, ex player dollars,
• 37:14
  Yeah yeah, yeah, So it's out. We're funding this basically, we're
• 37:17
  funding the government to monitor like probably you know, the least harmful people while
• 37:25
  ignoring meant to a people's entertainment. Yeah yeah, but you know it is.
• 37:32
  But I must say though, what I think, what it says to
• 37:36
  me is that the entertainment that we consume is actually more important than we give
• 37:44
  it credit in terms of what the government thinks. But not only that,
• 37:46
  but also all the people involved in creating our media, like they have like
• 37:52
  so so savvy. You're an artist, I'm an artist, and Allison as
• 37:54
  an artist and I'm yeah, als is a writer, but she all you
• 38:00
  do paintings and drawings and and and what do you what do you call them
• 38:04
  installations? Like kind of more you know, big things. But but like
• 38:08
  I bring this up because it was this Gaborgay thing is of particular importance to
• 38:15
  me anyway, because I am an advocate of beauty, and so I I
• 38:21
  don't like where it's going in terms of like what is being put into our
• 38:25
  media, and not just in gaming, but in every bit of our entertainment
• 38:30
  from you know, our film and television and music and even like what you
• 38:35
  know, even the art that we you know, might see in a museum,
• 38:39
  for example. And so I have to ask, then, like what
• 38:43
  I think that there is a and I don't know why this is, but
• 38:47
  I think there is like an effort to essentially tear down everything beautiful in our
• 38:53
  culture. And and then and it's and it's supposed to demoralize us, you
• 38:58
  know, like why has the art architecture become brutalists like ghettos, like giant
• 39:04
  square buildings for example? Why are honey, oh go ahead, go ahead,
• 39:07
  you Yeah, it's funny that you bring that up, because there was
• 39:10
  there's one instance in history where I can think about somebody tried to control art
• 39:15
  and media and that didn't really work out too well for him, and was
• 39:22
  he not himself an artist. He was another another particularly uh perhaps aggressive person
• 39:34
  who may have attempted to control culture and art, and that also did not
• 39:39
  really end well, at least for the people who was controlling. But yeah,
• 39:45
  I did not realize that this was going to go as deep as it
• 39:47
  it did into art because it comes back to what I was initially speaking out
• 39:52
  or fighting against a few years ago. So my big thing is artistic feriedom
• 39:57
  obviously, and japan artists have been bullied off of Twitter for years now for
• 40:02
  drawing the wrong thing, for putting the wrong characters together, for not drawing
• 40:07
  the right skin tone colors, even if they were a pastel artist. You
• 40:10
  know, the list goes on and on for whatever reason. And so these
• 40:15
  relatively reserved individuals suddenly we're getting hate from you know, fifty to one hundred
• 40:20
  accounts. Well, what these people were doing was they'd collect in discords and
• 40:23
  it's usually like five, ten, twenty people who all have alternate accounts as
• 40:29
  well, so like they'll have five to ten accounts themselves and then they'll go
• 40:31
  coordinate bullying attacks on artists. And then because Japanese people or you know,
• 40:37
  Koreans, just the Asian culture in general, you know, they're not typically
• 40:42
  people who are confrontational, so they're much easier to bully than a Western individual.
• 40:47
  But they still also targeted Western individuals too, And so for years now
• 40:52
  this has been going on, but it's finally getting to the point where people
• 40:55
  are pushing back saying, hey, we don't have to listen to them,
• 41:00
  say, Japanese artists, you mean like kind of like the like the old
• 41:05
  style sumi art, like of the feudal period, or you mean more like
• 41:08
  modern kind of anime stuff. Modern. This is all very modern. This
• 41:12
  is all happening. So it's like fandom for example, you know, yeah,
• 41:15
  like okay, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I've seen your art.
• 41:17
  It's it's in Yeah, I've seen your art and it's along those lines.
• 41:21
  Very nice by the way, Yeah, I mean you you created this
• 41:24
  this portrait too. Thank you for sharing that with us. So people can
• 41:30
  see and check out check out Savvy's art. Go to her Twitter page and
• 41:32
  look at the stuff that she's made. She's got a website with a substack
• 41:36
  and Uh, yeah, I should just go look at it. And that's
• 41:38
  that's it. That's it. I just I appreciate beautiful art, so I
• 41:43
  like what you're doing. But anyway, we have throughout, like the length
• 41:47
  of time that we've been doing this work, we have we have talked to
• 41:51
  a lot of artists who have been bullied by these people who use these narratives.
• 41:55
  It's specifically people who use these narratives like you you hate women for women,
• 42:00
  it's you have internalized misogyny. This is violence against women. Whatever else.
• 42:05
  They'll they'll do that you're a pick me, You'll they'll use that to
• 42:08
  justify silencing and manipulating and coercing and censoring people, artists in particular. And
• 42:16
  yeah, that is one of the things that also really really bothered me about
• 42:21
  a lot of the stuff that I was seeing in relation to Gamergate. But
• 42:23
  even before then, I don't know if I think shirtgate was before gamer Gate,
• 42:28
  right, h well maybe yeah, I think so Shirtgate. Do you
• 42:32
  know what that is? Savvy? No, And I'm afraid to ask.
• 42:37
  Oh, it's a little it's a little thing. But Alison, you can
• 42:39
  tell her. Yeah, Okay, So there was a I will not get
• 42:43
  any of the names correct, but so don't ask because I'm terrible with names.
• 42:46
  But there was a I believe, a rocket scientist who landed a probe
• 42:55
  on an asteroid. He was like the head of the team that landed a
• 42:59
  probe on an ass and so it was this incredible monumental thing because that was
• 43:02
  very difficult to do. And to the news conference about this this thing that
• 43:09
  this team had done, which was like groundbreaking, he wore a shirt that
• 43:15
  was covered in pin up art. Okay, it was custom made for him
• 43:21
  by a friend of his. I have a friend, but a woman like
• 43:23
  so he actually wore it because it was his friend's work. And he got
• 43:32
  blasted. The individuals who used this narrative, well let's say feminists mostly.
• 43:40
  They made that situation all about the shirt instead of the fact that someone had
• 43:46
  landed a probe on an asteroid and advanced humanity that much more. And he
• 43:54
  had to apologize for the shirt that he wore, and and and all because
• 44:01
  they did not like the art on it. And he was he was even
• 44:06
  breaking down during his apology too. It was he had he made a tearful
• 44:10
  apology. He was pretty abused. And you know, we we know that
• 44:15
  bullying can happen online, sure, but but it is it is weird that
• 44:19
  like when it comes from a certain direction, it doesn't seem to be a
• 44:22
  lot of consequences. I'm not sure that I even want consequences, like I'm
• 44:29
  yeah, condemnation at least or ridicule or something, but that didn't seem to
• 44:34
  be the case. So it kind of reminds me of what happened with was
• 44:36
  a Chris Kindred who tried to get the Sweet Baby Ink Detected group shut down
• 44:42
  and also Brudus Rambo's account on Steam essentially just nullified, which would have cost
• 44:49
  him thousands of dollars because he he has like a large library of games and
• 44:52
  he lives in Brazil with the economy ast crap because of people who that who
• 44:57
  Chris Kindred likely would have voted for. But yeah, so I this is
• 45:05
  uh, this is like why what we do? But go ahead else?
• 45:07
  Yeah, well, basically it's just I was I was piggyback off of what
• 45:10
  you said about artists being targeted and that that is also a particular thing that
• 45:15
  we've we've talked about on the show and something that's near and dear to my
• 45:19
  heart because I was sort of targeted as an artist too. Yeah, oh
• 45:22
  yeah, I remember. Uh so the language. It comes to the language
• 45:27
  being used to by by Microsoft, that stupid guideline thing that they put out
• 45:31
  saying, are your women's uh are your female characters over exaggerated? Do they
• 45:37
  have gender barriers in their design? And I'm like, what the fuck is
• 45:42
  a gender barrier? I'm sorry, I've been trying to be good about that
• 45:45
  dropping out bombs, but it's so, it's okay, we're really bad about
• 45:49
  that. But here I'll bleep you out if you need. You are fine.
• 45:53
  One credit for violation of the verbal morales. Oh good, But yeah,
• 46:00
  you know, it comes to that. And so when I was younger,
• 46:02
  I thought the future was one hundred percent creative freedom for all people to
• 46:07
  be able to enjoy what they want to enjoy, to draw what they want
• 46:09
  to draw, whether it was sexy or not sexy, whether it was furree
• 46:14
  or not furrey, whether it was you know whatever, right, because that's
• 46:21
  important. A society that is free to create and free to express themselves is
• 46:24
  a beautiful society in my opinion. And they are essentially doing what they claimed
• 46:34
  the Christians did back in the nineties. And the early two thousands that they're
• 46:37
  being pearl clutching prudes. You know, how how dare you draw a woman
• 46:43
  like that? How dare your your female characters and video games be over sexualized?
• 46:47
  Bro everything sexualized sex sells. We all know that the female gaze is
• 46:54
  as potent as the male gaze. The most devious of mods for some games
• 47:01
  like Skyrim and for the sims come from women. I don't see you condemning
• 47:07
  them. Why are you condemning the male gaze, which funds your fucking cries
• 47:12
  for only fans being a source of empowerment like pick a lane and just shut
• 47:17
  up? Yeah? Well, I mean the only the only constant is women,
• 47:22
  most affected, women most oppressed. Yea, And I wanted to say
• 47:29
  to that the only they do actually condemn romance novels. There's been tons and
• 47:36
  tons of getting in there and trying to extort people to like what they're supposed
• 47:45
  to like, and so they do do it to women, and I've actually
• 47:50
  seen it myself. It's just it it seems like men have less of a
• 47:53
  defense. I'll say that, but they do do to female creatives too,
• 47:58
  if they step out a line like my own personal story is. I went
• 48:02
  to uh A convention. I was originally a supporter of gamer Gate. I
• 48:07
  put a gamer Gate logo on my my booth and that I apparently got me
• 48:15
  the attention of the mean girls of the convention. And then I went to
• 48:19
  a conference for women into into comics because I'm I'm actually a female comics creator,
• 48:24
  or I was then now I'm going much more into writing. But so
• 48:29
  I went to the this this this talk and I then what they they actually
• 48:34
  brought up the the the whole thing, like why are why do men not
• 48:38
  want women in comics? What's wrong with these men's rights activists? So I
• 48:43
  said, I stood up and said, well, would you like me to
• 48:45
  speak to that because I am one? And I said, you know,
• 48:47
  the reason why I don't like the feminism coming in is because, you know,
• 48:51
  it emphasized, it casts women in the role of victim and men in
• 48:54
  the role of villain, and I think that denies, you know, men's
• 48:59
  vulnerable in women's agency. And they were like that throughout the entire talk.
• 49:05
  Everyone was like yeah, nodding, and it was all polite, and then
• 49:08
  I went back to my booth. Then the next day it was gone,
• 49:14
  just ooh, gotta go. Yeah, these people are They're just insane,
• 49:19
  and unfortunately, you know, I don't understand to this logic. We are
• 49:22
  at a time now where it is easier than ever to create, whether it's
• 49:27
  artwork, whether it's video games. The technology is there. You know,
• 49:30
  it is so easy to put your own work out through YouTube, through a
• 49:35
  website, through Twitter. Anyone has the opportunity to go viral through TikTok,
• 49:39
  through Twitter, through whatever. And instead of creating something new, they want
• 49:46
  to change what exists because they know they can't create, they know they don't
• 49:51
  have the talent, and they know what they would create is so dry nobody
• 49:54
  wants it. So I was gonna say, I noticed that you do world
• 50:00
  building. You have wrote about this at least, right, Is that is
• 50:05
  that accurate? Did I okay discern that? Yeah? I think you're right,
• 50:10
  because this is the thing that I noticed. I noticed that what's going
• 50:15
  on right now in not just the gaming space, but all of our creative
• 50:22
  sort of like areas in particular where they are mainstream, because there's always options
• 50:27
  that you can find people that are truly talented and gifted and are creating good
• 50:31
  things. Unfortunately, though, those are not the ones that get propped up,
• 50:35
  right, their brands stay small. And what happens with these cultural vandals
• 50:42
  is that they get into a brand that is extremely popular that was built up,
• 50:50
  you know, like Star Trek is like I don't know how old is
• 50:52
  that, like from the sixties, right, so probably like seventy years old,
• 50:57
  or Doctor Who which is even older or something, and they they see
• 51:00
  that it's very successful, and they think that they can just write anything for
• 51:06
  it, and because it's already popular, they will benefit. You know.
• 51:09
  It's like standing on the shoulders of giants, right, And it's because they
• 51:15
  can't make their own thing. So whenever people make the case, hey,
• 51:17
  well you know, if you want to make your own thing, go ahead,
• 51:20
  like nobody's stopping you, right, they always but they always like squeezel
• 51:23
  out of that because making your own thing is gonna essentially you're gonna have to
• 51:29
  like succeed on merit alone. And a lot of people like that. They
• 51:32
  don't want to do that because it's easier to just co opt Star Wars or
• 51:37
  co opt you know, uh, comic books or whatever. And I think
• 51:40
  I think there is a reason for that, and I want to I want
• 51:45
  to show you well, first of all, I do think it's easier for
• 51:47
  people to co opt something and they can get money. But I want to
• 51:51
  show you this. So in the animation industry, I have a friend and
• 51:57
  I consider him a friend. His name is Luke Weber, and he worked
• 52:00
  in animation for many years. He's a very very talented artist. He was
• 52:06
  professional. He worked on Ben ten and the Ninja Turtles and what's another one,
• 52:12
  Stephen Universe Adventure Time over the Garden Wall, you know, just a
• 52:17
  bunch of really big cartoons. Extremely talented guy. And then and this is
• 52:23
  I think where what's important, because this is where I think it all came
• 52:27
  from. He got fired. Okay, he was pushed out of the business,
• 52:31
  even though he had lots of experience. And what the catalyst for this
• 52:37
  was the Me Too movement. So, and this is the thing that a
• 52:42
  lot of people are talking about cancel culture today. Cancel culture came out of
• 52:45
  the Me too movement. The Me too movement was like how it got its
• 52:50
  its legs right. And the Me too movement was only successful because it was
• 52:57
  women's victimhood that was the focus. Yes, there were men who spoke up,
• 53:01
  but their concerns were immediately like ignored, like they kind of fell by
• 53:06
  the wayside. Terry crews. He was one of the first guys to talk
• 53:07
  about it. Nobody talks to him about it anymore. It's just gone like
• 53:12
  they used him to to, you know, to bring up toxic masculinity talking
• 53:16
  points, and then they dropped him like a like a rag and then it
• 53:20
  was off to something else. Right, And what started happening was in all
• 53:24
  of these various unions, there were women's groups that rose up, and they
• 53:31
  were demanding all kinds of things. They wanted representation, they wanted positions of
• 53:37
  leadership, they wanted positions of power, and they ended up like gutting a
• 53:40
  bunch of industries and firing men claiming, you know, the environment was toxic
• 53:47
  or whatever. The men would lose their jobs. Was there anything actually concrete
• 53:52
  said against Luke or did he just get on the road. No, No,
• 53:57
  Luke was just yeah, really eerie. He didn't. Yeah, a
• 54:00
  lot of these guys they just they just got canned and they didn't even there
• 54:04
  were no allegations there were there was no paperwork, meaning he just was you
• 54:09
  know, somebody wanted his job, or well maybe somebody just didn't like him.
• 54:15
  Yeah, So what what it was is that uh uh Luke was the
• 54:19
  kind of guy. This is according to him, but I don't see any
• 54:22
  reason not to believe him. That he was the kind of guy that would
• 54:24
  go to work and he just wanted to focus, focus on his job and
• 54:28
  leave. He wasn't a kind that hung out afterwards. He didn't like create.
• 54:31
  He wasn't trying to contribute to some kind of like social culture at work.
• 54:37
  You know, some people want to make their business into like something casual,
• 54:39
  like we're all we're all like roommates of this bohemian you know work atmosphere.
• 54:44
  And Luke wasn't like that. He was kind of an introverted guy.
• 54:46
  Very I mean he's still around. I don't mean to say talk about him
• 54:51
  like he's in the past and tense. He's on Twitter. You can look
• 54:52
  him up. It's at Fresher Luke very good work, and he's struggling.
• 54:57
  He's like driving an uber right now because he can't find it work anywhere.
• 54:59
  So so he just got fired because he wasn't in the in crowd. He
• 55:04
  wasn't in with people right, so they pushed him out, and particularly the
• 55:08
  women pushed him out. And one of those women is the woman who created
• 55:14
  Steven Universe. So what happened was in the animation industry, they wrote this
• 55:16
  big open letter to the entire industry and it was signed by like a whole
• 55:22
  bunch of women, and they were all talking about how toxic the work environment
• 55:27
  was, and it just so happened. At the same time, there was
• 55:30
  this group which I'm displaying for you guys right now, called Women in Animation
• 55:34
  and they have this initiative called fifty to fifty by twenty twenty five, and
• 55:37
  essentially it is doing the exact same thing that that geek gamer girl thing that
• 55:45
  you were talking about is doing. They are making the same claims seventy percent
• 55:50
  of animation school grads are underrepresented genders. Only thirty four percent of industry creatives
• 55:54
  are women, you know, and this needs to be fixed. And it
• 55:58
  says even here, even one they're in the industry, women, non binary
• 56:01
  and transgender people still face significant barriers to advancement. So they're operating under the
• 56:07
  exact same mantra. It's just in the animation. It's the same model.
• 56:10
  It's just in the animation industry. And this is what happened. I think
• 56:15
  this is what happened to Blizzard. So you know on the Blizzard is the
• 56:19
  game developer Mark Kern, who you know as grums on Twitter. He used
• 56:23
  to work at Blizzard. He put Blizzard. He was one of the guys
• 56:27
  that put Blizzard on the map as like one of the best developers. Now
• 56:30
  Blizzard is a joke honestly, Like nobody plays Overwatch too. You know,
• 56:36
  I don't know that nobody's given a shit about Diablo for a long time.
• 56:38
  And I think it's because the entire environment has changed, not just because Activision
• 56:44
  bought them, although you guys might have opinions on that, but I think
• 56:46
  it's because the actual staff is not the same animal. The whole thing has
• 56:51
  a different vibe. Yeah, it's got a different vibe, right, So
• 56:54
  the animation industry also faced the same thing and they did the same thing.
• 57:00
  And there is a financial incentive, as you were saying, But I do
• 57:05
  wonder about that because I do think there's something else, like there is a
• 57:09
  religious and ideological aspect for sure, and also a power aspect, Like there's
• 57:15
  something about the power which I think is even more of a drive than money,
• 57:22
  because these people are okay with inflation They're okay with printing money, They're
• 57:25
  okay with like all that stuff. But if you have power over people,
• 57:30
  I mean, doesn't that even like, isn't that stronger than money? Doesn't
• 57:35
  that have more sway? I mean, I don't know if I'm making any
• 57:37
  sense, but that's my suspicion. It does. So power is sexy.
• 57:44
  It is inherently sexy to narcissistic people. And so unfortunately, and you can
• 57:49
  see this with everything, this isn't even just an industry thing. This is
• 57:52
  just a human thing. The loudest people about this tend to be the most
• 57:59
  narcissist dick and the most corrupt. They have no sense of shame. When
• 58:04
  you look at the BLM movement, if you talk to the people who were
• 58:07
  actually at protests. And I did this back in DC in twenty nineteen or
• 58:13
  twenty twenty, I went and brought water to them. So I have a
• 58:16
  rare UV allergy. I can't be on the sun for more than a few
• 58:20
  minutes without getting an alarmed. Yeah, I understand that you're actually a vampire.
• 58:24
  Like you, you can't stand the sun or garlic, so you know,
• 58:29
  yeah, so I will remember that. That way, you got to
• 58:32
  invite her in or she won't be able to enter your home. Guys.
• 58:37
  Yes, So you know, when I talk to those people, they were
• 58:42
  some of the nicest, most level headed individuals who were out there who just
• 58:45
  believed in in headlines. They you know, they had normal jobs that they
• 58:51
  took the day off from to try to do something good based off of the
• 58:54
  lies of the individuals up at the top who were misusing funds, lived in
• 59:00
  mansions, who were doing the very things that they were supposed to be fighting
• 59:05
  against. So you know, this isn't just an industry problem looking for power
• 59:09
  and entertainment. This is just a generalized power grab. This is just what
• 59:15
  these people do because the average human does not want to be called mean,
• 59:20
  They do not want to be called names, and they don't want to have
• 59:22
  confrontation. But we're just at a point where finally people are sick of it.
• 59:30
  Yeah. Well, there's there's something that I was saying a while back
• 59:35
  when when gamer Gate was a little after gamer Kit, because it sort of
• 59:39
  took a while to percolate in my mind and had come together. But men's
• 59:45
  issues advocates, we've sort of been in the chasm, so to speak,
• 59:50
  like the outside the purview of acceptable speech for a long time. And I
• 59:57
  think the reason why is because we need to be invisible in order for these
• 1:00:01
  narratives to work. Because the counter narrative to all this space suppresses women is
• 1:00:08
  okay, well, but what what is the situation? What are women's choices?
• 1:00:13
  What? What is it? What's happening with men? What do men
• 1:00:15
  have to do to get in this space? You know that kind of thing.
• 1:00:17
  And because we're the counter narrative to this power or to the to the
• 1:00:23
  the weapon I call it, the weapon that they use, which is like
• 1:00:28
  violence against women. That's one of the weapons that they use. Uh.
• 1:00:31
  Internalized massagy is another weapon that they use, uh and to extort compliance from
• 1:00:37
  people. The the counter narrative to that weapon is what we talk about,
• 1:00:43
  is bringing in the perspective of men in these in these environments and in the
• 1:00:47
  greater world. And when you do that, their narrative starts to break apart.
• 1:00:53
  And it's so that's I think that's why, because everything that happened to
• 1:00:58
  gamers, we want at least I did. I think Brian was part of
• 1:01:02
  it. Before that, we watched this happen to people who advocate for men's
• 1:01:07
  issues like you know, people who wanted ar men who were trying to build
• 1:01:13
  shelters, men who were trying to build support networks. There's like peer support
• 1:01:17
  for male victims of rape and domestic violence. I watched men doing these kinds
• 1:01:23
  of initiatives, and some women I watched them being targeted and removed, like
• 1:01:31
  their story after story after story of people trying to bring attention to these issues,
• 1:01:36
  trying to bring people together to talk about them, and literally and it
• 1:01:39
  is feminists, I'm sorry. Guys would target these initiatives support groups. I
• 1:01:45
  mean, god, who to targets a support group, but they would target
• 1:01:50
  that to get rid of them. And the reason why was because any kind
• 1:01:53
  of awareness on these issues breaks apart the weapon that they used to extort people
• 1:02:00
  and to gain control. So they'll even go after people who are absolutely vulnerable,
• 1:02:06
  you know, people who really do like men, who do need somewhere
• 1:02:09
  to be heard. They'll even go after them just to ensure that their weapon
• 1:02:15
  remains effective. And that is really I think that's why we prior to gamer
• 1:02:22
  Gate, we were watching this happen with a lot of different men's rights issues.
• 1:02:24
  The same the same rhetoric was used against I don't know if you know
• 1:02:30
  Warren Ferrell, he's like, actually, he's like the mister Rogers of the
• 1:02:35
  men's issues community. Like he's soft spoken, very nice, very let's all
• 1:02:40
  look at both sides. Let's be really diplomatic and very diplomatic, very diplomatic.
• 1:02:46
  And he got called, what was in a rape apologist and an advocate
• 1:02:52
  for women's of violence against women and other kinds of stuff like that, same
• 1:02:58
  narratives, and it was direct at men's issues advocates first as far as I
• 1:03:01
  can tell. And then a minute, go ahead, oh go ahead,
• 1:03:06
  Oh I was just gonna say. The minute you try to say that,
• 1:03:07
  I think it's the number is sixty four percent of men are physically abused by
• 1:03:14
  their their female spouses. The minute that that gets brought up, they just
• 1:03:17
  say, oh wow, you you hate women. Oh yeah, bother.
• 1:03:22
  They don't even bother engaging with it all. They just go with the they
• 1:03:25
  go with the silencing tactic, which itself is constructed by the very thing that
• 1:03:30
  they're silencing. Yeah, it's just and and like I said, they started
• 1:03:36
  with any kind of recognition of men's issues. People who tried to bring recognition
• 1:03:39
  of men's issues, and then that insures secures their weapon and then they just,
• 1:03:45
  I don't know, loot the rest of society, I guess, and
• 1:03:49
  loot like just just you know, fly the Jolly Roger, pull into you
• 1:03:53
  know, pull up and start shooting cannons and taking over. And that's uh,
• 1:04:00
  that's the business model apparently. Yeah, and it all thrives because of
• 1:04:05
  the degradation in the education system. Kids are not how to look things up,
• 1:04:11
  They are not taught how to critically think. They are just taught to
• 1:04:15
  read a headline and then keep scrolling. This is the first generation that is
• 1:04:20
  less technologically advanced than the one before it, and it's only going to get
• 1:04:26
  worse if we don't fix the education system. But that comes down to the
• 1:04:31
  government, which both sides of the aisle. Across most countries, they actively
• 1:04:38
  remove funding. They actively try to change programs to keep people complacent so that
• 1:04:43
  way they can control them better, because a society without education is a society
• 1:04:47
  that is much more easy to control. But what's working against them is that
• 1:04:51
  this is the age of information, and it is easier than ever to find
• 1:04:57
  the bits of truth in easy to digest ways. That's why my video that
• 1:05:02
  I made on all of this is only three minutes and thirty seconds, and
• 1:05:06
  it's all based off of publicly available information that people can then go verify.
• 1:05:11
  That's why these people have not been able to attack me, they've not been
• 1:05:15
  able to quote tweet me and say oh, look at this crazy person,
• 1:05:17
  because it's all based off of their words, it's all based off of their
• 1:05:24
  websites. All I do is just put it in easy to digest information or
• 1:05:30
  in an informative format. Yeah. Well, and a lot of times people
• 1:05:34
  don't know what they need to look for, so it's really useful to have
• 1:05:39
  it just sit there. So like, Okay, this is where this is
• 1:05:42
  coming from, because I think that is again, like I was saying before,
• 1:05:45
  I think that's the most important questions to ask is like, Okay,
• 1:05:48
  so we know this is happening, like we people bring attention to it,
• 1:05:53
  and then we get hit pieces from Kotaku and other outlets saying that it's a
• 1:05:58
  conspiracy theory, it's not actually happening, you're crazy. And then when you
• 1:06:01
  when you break the conditioning on that, they say, okay, okay,
• 1:06:03
  it's happening, but it's a good thing that it's happening, And and there's
• 1:06:08
  nothing you can do about it or whatever. You know, they'll they try
• 1:06:11
  to make these various appeals. Have you encountered the ones that say this is
• 1:06:15
  not happening and it's a good thing that it's happening. Yeah? Sometimes yeah,
• 1:06:19
  sure, yeah, I love them. But that begs the question though,
• 1:06:26
  Like, Okay, I watched a debate and I put debate in quotes
• 1:06:30
  because it wasn't that hostile, but it was side scrollers, which which you
• 1:06:35
  were on, and and you know, I'm I'm glad that you were and
• 1:06:39
  I'm glad that you came on here because we're so much smaller. But I
• 1:06:42
  would like to talk to stuttering Craig and those guys because I remember when this
• 1:06:45
  whole thing started out. I said, oh, this is gamer gay too.
• 1:06:49
  And I say I say it before anybody made any videos. I was
• 1:06:53
  like, this is gonna blow up. It's gonna be a big thing because
• 1:06:55
  I know the way that these people think. I know that that what's gonna
• 1:07:00
  happen is sweet Baby's gonna respond because they're you know, there is like an
• 1:07:05
  ideological possession, is what I'm getting at. Like they believe in what they
• 1:07:09
  are doing so much. They believe that they are good people, and they
• 1:07:13
  are right, and they are virtuous so much that if anyone disagrees and says,
• 1:07:17
  well, I don't like this, I don't like what you're saying here,
• 1:07:19
  They're just gonna double down because they're they are on the right side of
• 1:07:23
  history in their own mind, and it's only a matter of time before like
• 1:07:28
  an outlet defends them. Like I'm just waiting. I was just like,
• 1:07:30
  okay, some at some point someone's gonna write an article, and Kotaku did
• 1:07:34
  it, which should have been really predictable, and when that happened, I
• 1:07:38
  said, oh, this is it. This is gamer gate too, which
• 1:07:40
  is fine, Like I'm here for it. I'm ready for it, because
• 1:07:43
  it's what I want. I want this dealt with. I want this confronted,
• 1:07:46
  you know, because you saw it in small ways with like you know,
• 1:07:49
  the Rings of Power or the Star Wars movies or Doctor Who or whatever,
• 1:07:55
  right, the Marvel movies, the comic books, you know, and
• 1:07:58
  people were all for some reason, and there was a sense of shame or
• 1:08:02
  disgust at the idea that this was going to be something that people have to
• 1:08:08
  deal with. And Craig was one of them. He said, oh my
• 1:08:10
  God, what is gamer? He didn't even know what it was. And
• 1:08:14
  I saw that, you know, when he is now taking interest in it,
• 1:08:15
  which is great. I think it's great. And he's been talking to
• 1:08:17
  people and he had this guy on that was like a former developer, and
• 1:08:23
  they were having this back and forth and he was trying Craig was trying to
• 1:08:27
  like show him, like, this is what's happening. Here are some examples,
• 1:08:31
  you know, and the other guy was just like, well, I
• 1:08:34
  don't know about that, but I don't agree with like bullying online, you
• 1:08:40
  know. And so it was like going nowhere and it was just spitting its
• 1:08:43
  wheels and I was like, well, wait, but here's the thing,
• 1:08:45
  and this is what I want to get at. Okay, if the if
• 1:08:48
  you really want to comment on this, in on this entire scenario, why
• 1:08:57
  wouldn't you do your due diligence and try to learn about it. And yet
• 1:09:01
  you want to go on a stream and debate someone you know, who has
• 1:09:05
  actually done that work, who actually does know, Like why aren't people interested
• 1:09:11
  in the confronting this and why does it make people so uncomfortable when they are
• 1:09:17
  faced with this, Like, so, do you think it's okay? To
• 1:09:20
  be racist against white people because alyssamer Conte says you can't be. So what
• 1:09:25
  do you think about that? And they'll be like, uh, well,
• 1:09:26
  I don't know. That just sounds kind of weird to me, you know,
• 1:09:30
  like what what is that? Well, confronting like this, well the
• 1:09:33
  weapon, like the yes, and also the fact that this is a lot
• 1:09:41
  of people that are ideologically possessed, maybe they just want money, whatever,
• 1:09:47
  you know that they're they're pushing this. I'm guessing that's what you're asking,
• 1:09:50
  Brian. That's what I'm what I'm getting at is I'm not I think that
• 1:09:55
  what Okay, what I'm trying to get at is there seems to be a
• 1:10:00
  lack of moral courage to speak the truth, and instead people try to avoid
• 1:10:08
  having to speak out and say what is necessary. Because I think this is
• 1:10:14
  the obstacle that we face, not just with this gaming thing, but everywhere
• 1:10:20
  where there is clearly something wrong, and in secret people will tell you,
• 1:10:28
  yeah, you know, I don't really agree with what they're doing here,
• 1:10:30
  right, I don't agree with these the idea that you're a sexist. I
• 1:10:34
  don't really agree with the me too movement. I don't really agree with you
• 1:10:40
  know, like I don't know Black Lives Matter and what they've done to cities
• 1:10:43
  all across the country, but I don't want to say anything like again,
• 1:10:47
  yeah, yeah, And I think that it comes down to needing to feel
• 1:10:53
  good but doing the bare minimum and being so uneducated that you have no idea
• 1:10:59
  what's going going on. I think one of the things that really sums it
• 1:11:01
  up is there were two individuals who attempted to speak out about this earlier,
• 1:11:08
  and I presented them with do you believe that the phrase abort all Jews is
• 1:11:14
  hate speech? And both of these people had to bend over backwards and say,
• 1:11:18
  well, I need context for that, and I said, no,
• 1:11:23
  I don't think you do, because please provide an example of context that makes
• 1:11:29
  that phrase okay. And not a soul has been able to come up with
• 1:11:32
  that. And my logic is, well, you know, if you want
• 1:11:35
  to say, oh, you know, maybe in comedy, well why are
• 1:11:40
  comedians then canceled for less? You know? Why is it not okay to
• 1:11:44
  say that? And so they are so desperate to be seen as moral authorities
• 1:11:50
  and so desperate to feel good about themselves because they lack they lack goodness in
• 1:11:56
  their lives, and I don't understand and why the terminally online are so weak
• 1:12:01
  that they feel like they have to pick a side when ninety nine percent of
• 1:12:08
  people are in the middle. Obviously we all think, you know, yeah,
• 1:12:12
  there there should be more. If a woman wants to go into game
• 1:12:15
  development, she should be able to do that. But nobody's being violent against
• 1:12:20
  them to stop them from doing it, you know, Like why is that
• 1:12:24
  statement so hard? And it again just comes down to the desperate need for
• 1:12:28
  attention and approval. Yeah, I mean, like and even is that even
• 1:12:31
  a centrist statement, Like isn't it just like normal people? You know,
• 1:12:36
  like I think the sides are I think the sides are them, And then
• 1:12:41
  like the normal people that are like, yeah, if she's good enough to
• 1:12:45
  make games or make art or write a book or you know, cook ap
• 1:12:49
  to fla, then great, you know, and that and that should be
• 1:12:54
  the end of it. But it's never enough that And that's kind of a
• 1:12:58
  strange thing to me, you know. Yeah, well, they they want
• 1:13:01
  they are almost in a war with merit. Yes, they absolutely are,
• 1:13:08
  because they have no merit themselves. They know, like I have desperately wanted
• 1:13:14
  that. There was the lead writer of Portolan's three, I thought about,
• 1:13:17
  I thought about honestly challenging him to creating a set of five characters. And
• 1:13:21
  I'm like, okay, you know, you can go off with your little
• 1:13:25
  DEI group and let's see who can come back and make a more rich world.
• 1:13:29
  Let's see who can create more interesting characters. After one week, you
• 1:13:32
  can have your group and it'll just be me for my side. And I
• 1:13:36
  guarantee that their characters would would probably fit the exact same mold that the forth
• 1:13:44
  spoken character was, and that all these current present day female character weird cookie
• 1:13:50
  cutter female boss because there's like certain they have to have certain traits and they
• 1:13:56
  can and they have to lack other traits because those of theod. Yeah,
• 1:14:00
  they can't be flawed. But also they can't be too attractive, they can't
• 1:14:03
  be you know, there's like a bunch of things that they can't be because
• 1:14:06
  that falls into what they call a trope, which of course the word trope
• 1:14:12
  has lost all meaning for them, you know, but yeah, I you
• 1:14:17
  know now that you mention it, I was. I was very disappointed in
• 1:14:21
  Borderland's three, to be honest, like, I yeah, I thought,
• 1:14:26
  because like Verlins, who was so good. I thought it was gonna like
• 1:14:29
  be better than that. I was like, well, I don't like anybody
• 1:14:31
  in this game. You know, they just weren't great written characters. So
• 1:14:39
  it's weird. I didn't know that was written by a DEI guy. Yeah,
• 1:14:43
  yeah, that's a you know what, that's a really good example of
• 1:14:45
  what I'm talking about. That brand printed money until that moment. Like that,
• 1:14:50
  that's what they do. They get they something does really well. Assassin's
• 1:14:55
  Creed is a decent example. I like the first two. I didn't play
• 1:14:59
  anymore after that, but like the brand becomes massive, and then that's when
• 1:15:03
  these people are like, oh, I want to write for that, and
• 1:15:04
  then they just put their fan fiction in there. That's almost always what it
• 1:15:09
  is. It's like I'm gonna I'm gonna make it diverse by putting me in
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  it. Boring, how droll, somebody said to me recently. Because this
• 1:15:18
  is like one of my favorite things too, I know that it came from
• 1:15:21
  a good place. But someone's like, well, I would play a video
• 1:15:24
  game if you were the main character, and I'm like, no, I
• 1:15:27
  sit in my basement all day and draw Yowie and Yuri. You don't want
• 1:15:30
  a basement dwelling simulator, crazy character who's gonna go balls to the wall,
• 1:15:36
  insane. You want the morals challenged by that character. You want an interesting
• 1:15:42
  story, that's what you want. The game is me that's boring. Yeah,
• 1:15:49
  yeah, you could probably make that entertaining. Honestly, you could,
• 1:15:55
  but it would later it would be a very specific audience. I mean,
• 1:15:59
  there's a Go simulator for Christ's sake. But the niche if it was good,
• 1:16:03
  if it was well written, I'm sure it could find a niche.
• 1:16:05
  You know. See, I don't actually have a problem with any of that,
• 1:16:09
  Like, like, I don't care if you make a weird options are
• 1:16:13
  like basement dwellers. You know, yeah, I don't. I don't care
• 1:16:15
  if you make that. My main my main problem is that, like I
• 1:16:19
  don't care if people make that. You can make whatever lame you know,
• 1:16:23
  simulator, you want to make whatever game you want to make. Well,
• 1:16:26
  I mean it's it's I think it's supposed to be lame. It's in the
• 1:16:29
  in the title. But like, but the thing is, what I don't
• 1:16:32
  want is for you to give me your basement dweller dating simulator and call it
• 1:16:38
  Devil May Cry six that's what I don't want because that's what they do,
• 1:16:42
  you know what I mean, Like, don't call it the Resident Evil nine
• 1:16:46
  dating basement dating simulator with like fat ass Chris Redfield, who is black now
• 1:16:53
  by the way, Yeah, I mean like no, like that, that's
• 1:16:56
  what the because that's what it is. That's the main that's the the important
• 1:17:00
  difference is is it's nobody. And this is the thing that like in that
• 1:17:03
  debate had to be had to be brought up multiple times. Nobody is saying
• 1:17:08
  that people can't make whatever they want. But number one, you can't force
• 1:17:12
  it on us. Because this is what happened back in gam of Gate one
• 1:17:15
  when the reviewers were like, you got to you got to play Depression Quest.
• 1:17:17
  It's only ten dollars, you got to play it. Nobody wanted to
• 1:17:19
  play that shit like and nobody wanted to play it like some people played Gone
• 1:17:24
  Home. It's fine that it exists. I don't care, but it's just
• 1:17:27
  like if I'm not into that, it's it doesn't make me a bad person.
• 1:17:30
  And this is the problem. They will tell you if you don't,
• 1:17:32
  if you don't consume this product, you're a bad person. And we're gonna
• 1:17:36
  write about you in this way, and it's like, well, if my
• 1:17:40
  response is well I'm not gonna support your company, that doesn't make me a
• 1:17:43
  bad guy. But this is what they're doing, right, because that's literally
• 1:17:45
  what it is, right. I mean, well, there was a game.
• 1:17:48
  Yeah, there was a game that came out. It just wasn't good,
• 1:17:53
  Like it wasn't woke or anything, but it just wasn't great or it
• 1:17:55
  disappointed people. I guess. Dragon Dog Went two had micro transactions and people
• 1:18:00
  were like, well, I'm not going to buy that. And then somebody
• 1:18:01
  said, oh, so so now you're okay with like, like, I
• 1:18:04
  don't know. It was some they thought it was like a gotcha. They
• 1:18:08
  were like, oh, well this game is in woke, why don't you
• 1:18:10
  like it? And I was like, yeah, but if I choose not
• 1:18:13
  to play this game, Capcom's not going to write a billion hit pieces about
• 1:18:16
  how I'm a bigot because I don't want to pay for their micro transactions.
• 1:18:19
  You see the difference, Like, the important distinction is that some people respect
• 1:18:25
  the fact that I own my money and I want to spend my money on
• 1:18:29
  what I want to buy. Therefore, I believe in private property, which
• 1:18:31
  is what these retards call capitalism, and there are some people like them that
• 1:18:35
  think that you should not have a choice in what you spend your money on,
• 1:18:39
  and that they should be able to dictate what you pay for and what
• 1:18:43
  you enjoy and what you consume. And I disagree with the letter. It's
• 1:18:45
  that simple. The best example, too, was the recent Marvel's movie.
• 1:18:53
  So the oh yeah graphic that went to see the movie was white men between
• 1:18:59
  the ages of a eighteen and thirty five. If you know, you know,
• 1:19:03
  if you're trying to say, oh, we made this movie for a
• 1:19:05
  certain group of people, and those people don't show up, and then you
• 1:19:10
  you want to put out a rush statement of oh well, misogyny, misogyny
• 1:19:14
  and racism is the reason why this this, you know, wasn't profitable.
• 1:19:17
  You just called the demographic you were targeting racist and misogynists. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:19:24
  I heard. What the hell I heard? The proportion of men who
• 1:19:28
  went to the Marvels was actually higher, so it wasn't yeah it actually well,
• 1:19:32
  but also higher than other marvel movies. So it wasn't just that that
• 1:19:39
  well, it was that women didn't go. They just aren't interested. Well
• 1:19:43
  female care No, I mean like it's not that they don't go to see
• 1:19:46
  movies. The Barbie movie made a billion dollars, but they just didn't want
• 1:19:49
  to see movies in a genre that primarily targeted at men historically. Have you
• 1:19:57
  guys seen the latest Low Key series? No, I can't, you can't,
• 1:20:01
  you can't, you can't, you can't you just they they butchered Loki
• 1:20:06
  from I loved that character, and they castrated him, just like they castrated
• 1:20:13
  Doctor Strange, just like They've castrated all the other male characters that I have
• 1:20:17
  come to love. Like I grew up with with all of these, I
• 1:20:20
  grew up with Thor, I grew up with the Silver Surfer, I grew
• 1:20:24
  up with Black Panther, and they butchered them and it broke my heart.
• 1:20:30
  Absolutely. Why do you ask, oh, I actually am with the writers
• 1:20:36
  group that we have through our the Discord or Discord community. We were.
• 1:20:41
  We watched the entire low Ki series into three days, the second, the
• 1:20:46
  second season, second and first second. I only saw the first one,
• 1:20:51
  well watched. We watched it just to like figure out what went wrong basically,
• 1:20:57
  and I will say that it was absolutely terrible. The first season might
• 1:21:04
  be more coherent, but thematically it was worse, and you're absolutely right.
• 1:21:09
  The first season was it was It was cringey, like watching low key heap
• 1:21:15
  praise on this this gormless uh styrofoam care like styrofoam mannequin that was just there.
• 1:21:26
  And and also I don't know how they made the woman so unattractive,
• 1:21:32
  like she's not that unattractive, like they they the actress. The actress isn't
• 1:21:39
  that unattractive. We actually confirmed this, so like is she supposed to be
• 1:21:44
  she? No, she wasn't that unattractive. They managed to make her more
• 1:21:46
  unattractive in this in this series. Oh you don't want you don't want to
• 1:21:50
  outshine a woman that might watch it. I mean they might feel bad about
• 1:21:54
  themselves. Well, women don't watch this stuff. This is what I know.
• 1:21:57
  But that's what they're no, of course not that's the logic. Yeah,
• 1:22:00
  I get it. They don't actually well them what they want. The
• 1:22:03
  thing is two with the Loki Show, Like the thing is is that it
• 1:22:06
  only has the name of the character. Nothing in that has any resemblance too.
• 1:22:13
  There was a comic interesting there at all. I actually watched the whole
• 1:22:16
  thing, so something interesting happened. The first season was absolutely terrible for this.
• 1:22:20
  All Loki seemed to do is just heap praise on this wooden I don't
• 1:22:26
  know what to call her, like just afterthought. And but but the second
• 1:22:31
  season, the first four episodes utterly forgettable. I don't know how people like
• 1:22:36
  how this writing gets past any kind of quality control, because it's nothing.
• 1:22:41
  None of the characters are consistent seen to scene. But then the last two
• 1:22:45
  episodes, it's almost like somebody who was like, yeah, well we better
• 1:22:47
  make a story, and they just handed the reins back to Loki and it
• 1:22:53
  was not that bad. Like as soon as every other character sort of fell,
• 1:22:57
  it faded into the background, and the female Loki he just played her
• 1:23:00
  role as an obstacle that O LOOKI had to overcome basically, I mean,
• 1:23:03
  because she refused to change her mind on something, because that's another thing that
• 1:23:09
  apparently strong independent women never do, is change their minds, and he had
• 1:23:14
  to accommodate that, which led to his grand sacrifice. But the whole part,
• 1:23:19
  like the last two episodes were actually watchable. I'm like, what the
• 1:23:23
  hell? And it was because they returned to Loki and Loki was again the
• 1:23:29
  main character solving the problems, and I just find it fascinating that they still
• 1:23:34
  fail. Like they're trying so hard to make female Loki compelling and interesting,
• 1:23:41
  and the story sucks until they well they went back to Yeah, they've made
• 1:23:45
  it. It's all. The thing is, like the female Loki, there's
• 1:23:49
  no there really isn't any need to refer to her even in that name,
• 1:23:53
  because every female character they have written for the past decade is the same character,
• 1:24:00
  Like, there's no difference between her and like the Marvels and the woman
• 1:24:06
  from what have like, but you know, the ant Man's daughter, like
• 1:24:10
  all those girls, even the ones for the doctor whatever her name was,
• 1:24:15
  Jody Whittaker, Like all of them are basically the same person. Because that's
• 1:24:20
  the safest it's the safest place, right, all those female characters in Star
• 1:24:27
  Wars, meaning there's actually there is that. Yeah, yeah, I want
• 1:24:30
  to hear that. Let's hear it. So all these people grew up writing
• 1:24:34
  really shitty self insert fan fiction. Yeah, in the two thousands and so
• 1:24:40
  if you go and read the bad fan fiction written by women, the way
• 1:24:44
  that they write men is they are writing them as if they are a woman,
• 1:24:49
  but just with a man's name, right, so they make them more
• 1:24:53
  emotional, they make them more sensitive, they make them more vulnerable, they
• 1:24:56
  make them more clumsy. And then for their female in they are the problem
• 1:25:01
  solvers in the story. They don't know how to essentially be a dungeon master.
• 1:25:05
  They don't know how to craft elements for a character to figure out.
• 1:25:11
  So their character comes in and they're the motivator. They're the reason why things
• 1:25:15
  are good. They're the one who present the solution. They're the one who
• 1:25:18
  goes and does the brave thing. They save the vulnerable male protagonists, and
• 1:25:24
  so all of that somehow managed to get into Hollywood under the guise of diversity
• 1:25:30
  and inclusion. Yes, yes, it is it. I knew it was.
• 1:25:35
  The fan fiction is they see all the people who left Tumblr went to
• 1:25:40
  Hollywood and they wins a game. Some well snuck in there of doing it
• 1:25:45
  too. The chick who wrote She Hulk, she admits that she had to
• 1:25:48
  get her so she has one of the best agents in Hollywood that she was
• 1:25:51
  able to pay money for. Somehow, I guess she sunk all her money
• 1:25:55
  into this and she got her script in front of three times, and on
• 1:26:00
  the third time he finally said okay. And that is so fucking embarrassing,
• 1:26:09
  and so let me moralizing. Let me ask you something else. First of
• 1:26:14
  all, as an artist yourself, how do you feel about the fact that
• 1:26:17
  these women continue to get like massively high profile positions and they and somehow continue
• 1:26:26
  to fail upwards like or at least like horizontally. Like for example, the
• 1:26:31
  show Velma, which was probably one of the worst shows I've ever seen,
• 1:26:34
  is getting a second season, so they're they're gonna Yeah. Okay, So
• 1:26:40
  as somebody who is a creative person yourself, how does like what do you
• 1:26:45
  a woman of craft? So a woman, yeah, but also somebody who
• 1:26:49
  creates. I mean, like as you know, like men who want to
• 1:26:55
  make stuff, they will. I think a lot of them are just like
• 1:26:58
  I know, I'm not gonna I mean, like Luke I mentioned him already.
• 1:27:01
  He's a pro, Like he's one of the best I've ever seen in
• 1:27:05
  terms of like people that I know personally, and he can't get work.
• 1:27:09
  He's driving an uber So like men are just out. I think that what
• 1:27:14
  happened is a lot of these women how do they get these positions? I
• 1:27:16
  think they join unions and these various like groups that are essentially lobby the companies
• 1:27:24
  be like, you need to get more women because you don't have enough women.
• 1:27:26
  And so these companies have to hire women otherwise they're going to get not
• 1:27:29
  just bad scores, but they're gonna get bad pr maybe lose money, whatever.
• 1:27:33
  So they do it. And none of these women are good at what
• 1:27:36
  they do. So like, as somebody who is good at what they do
• 1:27:40
  and somebody who does care about merit, how do you feel about that?
• 1:27:44
  So it's really tragic. Unfortunately, the people who are generally decent at the
• 1:27:49
  things that they do and genuinely good and genuinely have a passion also exhibit a
• 1:27:54
  normal amount of shame. Back in the twenties, I actually turn down my
• 1:28:00
  dream job three times, twice because I wasn't ready, and then the third
• 1:28:04
  time was because by that point I got told we can get you the job
• 1:28:09
  because you're a woman. No one wants to hear that if you're good at
• 1:28:13
  what you do. And so I made sure I positioned myself in a way
• 1:28:18
  where I could take care of myself and maybe one day start a studio of
• 1:28:23
  my own. But what they do is and it's exactly what you said.
• 1:28:28
  People will pray on these shameless type and they position themselves in a way to
• 1:28:33
  get the tax breaks and to get the ESG funding, and then they'll go
• 1:28:38
  to the company and then they'll bully them and say, hey, I've got
• 1:28:40
  this person. You know, they check off these boxes and you need to
• 1:28:44
  hire them. Otherwise you're not going to get funding from Vanguard, Blackrock,
• 1:28:47
  or you're not going to get this from whoever. And so unfortunately, we
• 1:28:54
  are just at a point where creativity is, at least in the triple A
• 1:28:58
  sense and at the highest levels with Hollywood, is all based off of the
• 1:29:01
  funding that they receive because it's all spreadsheets. Committees are making stories, not
• 1:29:05
  creative people. Yeah, how you get a dog? How you get a
• 1:29:11
  talking dog in Schindler's List? No? Boy? Yeah. It's also in
• 1:29:16
  publishing, like writing, publishing awful. It is so bad. The first
• 1:29:23
  time I came across that actually was back when I was looking at publishing,
• 1:29:26
  and back in twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen, I found out that you have
• 1:29:29
  to submit your work through a sensitivity reader. And I was like, what
• 1:29:32
  in the fuck is that? Oh? We covered those, Yeah, I'm
• 1:29:35
  sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Well, I thought, oh,
• 1:29:39
  so if I write a blacksmithing character, they're going to tell me, hey,
• 1:29:42
  you did this wrong. And I was like, okay, that makes
• 1:29:44
  sense. No, if you use the word fact, you gotta change it.
• 1:29:47
  And I sat there and I was like, what why is the word
• 1:29:54
  faut a problem? What if I write a period piece and there's a racist
• 1:29:58
  character. No, you can't do that. That's not safe. And I
• 1:30:00
  was like, wines, but it's a period piece. Yeah, well how
• 1:30:08
  does that? How does that even work? It's just more make work because
• 1:30:13
  there was okay, So I got some some horror stories from the writing industry.
• 1:30:17
  There was a woman recently who published I think maybe it was a second
• 1:30:23
  novel, maybe it was a debut novel. I'm not quite sure. But
• 1:30:26
  she was a teacher and she was publishing like a a memoir of her teaching.
• 1:30:32
  And she had been I believe, teaching underprivileged youth in like in the
• 1:30:39
  UK. And one of the kids that she taught, and she taught like
• 1:30:45
  minority kids. One of the kids that she taught described themselves as having chocolate
• 1:30:49
  skin, and she included it in the book. The book was okayed by
• 1:30:55
  a sensitivity reader, but that didn't matter once it got out into the greater
• 1:31:00
  world. They the the the usual suspects found that and tore her to shreds
• 1:31:09
  over over being a racist. And I'm like looking at this, and I'm
• 1:31:13
  like, the publishing industry and the whole community around writing is no longer about
• 1:31:18
  the beauty of the art or the merit of the art. It's about finding
• 1:31:24
  minor flaws and crucifying people for them. You know. Well, and they
• 1:31:30
  weren't taught to read because the art of subtext and the art of descriptors is
• 1:31:35
  gone. They have to be handheld and they have to say, Okay,
• 1:31:39
  this character is black, this character is gay, this character is feeling this
• 1:31:44
  today. Oh I just accident, that's yeah. I was about to say
• 1:31:50
  that they get into the T shirt, but yeah, so you know,
• 1:31:57
  it's it's so disgusting to me because I I love subtext, I love descriptors.
• 1:32:01
  I love ridiculous analogies that maybe don't make sense at first until you give
• 1:32:05
  it a deeper thought. And like, I liken this too. If the
• 1:32:09
  philosophers of yesteryear were around today, they would be absolutely stoned in public by
• 1:32:16
  these people because no one could handle their thought process. And it's so sad.
• 1:32:23
  Mm hmmm, Well, because everybody would be looking for the minor thing
• 1:32:27
  to crucify about, you know, and that would be the point. It's
• 1:32:30
  almost like it's not a publishing industry anymore. It's a crucifixion industry. Oh
• 1:32:35
  yeah's who's going to go out on the stage to be picked the part so
• 1:32:40
  we can find the one thing and then we can get our jollys off chasing
• 1:32:44
  you out, are feathering you, chasing you out of town? Like who
• 1:32:46
  wants to take part in that? But the other thing that I wanted to
• 1:32:50
  mention about the publishing industry is there was recently a writer's strike or no,
• 1:32:57
  not a writer's strike, editor strike. So the general staff in a publishing
• 1:33:01
  house and I do not remember exactly the publishing house. Like I said,
• 1:33:05
  I'm terrible with names, but what ended up happening is the publishing house settled
• 1:33:11
  with the strikers and ended up firing. Well, what they wanted is they
• 1:33:15
  wanted more money for their DEI efforts ord no dei efforts and didn't pay didn't
• 1:33:25
  earn it. Yeah, they wanted a pay raise for being sensitivity readers,
• 1:33:29
  for their sensitivity work. So apparently they got the pay raise. So whoever
• 1:33:33
  was doing the sensitivity work got more money. But then the printing house they
• 1:33:41
  or the publishing house, fired a bunch of people in order to pay the
• 1:33:45
  sensitivity readers more, is what I'm getting, as otherwise they would have kept
• 1:33:49
  them right, So they raised them pay for the sensitivity readers and probably fired
• 1:33:55
  a bunch of people who were doing actual work. So it's just going to
• 1:33:58
  get like the quality that's coming out of publishing hoses is also going to get
• 1:34:00
  worse in this war on merit. But yeah, that's uh, that's what's
• 1:34:04
  happening in publishing. I'm sure it's even worse than that. They're even doing
• 1:34:10
  it too old to the classics, aren't they they're doing they're going through like
• 1:34:14
  roll doll Ian Fleming, like lots of older books in before they do it
• 1:34:20
  to Harry Potter, by the way, because you know they can't. They
• 1:34:25
  can't. She has such a tight tight hold on her on her work,
• 1:34:28
  nobody can. Yeah, like JK. Rowling, I have loved her.
• 1:34:32
  So I never got into Harry Potter. I thought that I tried to read
• 1:34:35
  it, and I thought that it was it was too shallow for me,
• 1:34:40
  just because there wasn't enough abstract thought like I again, I like really really
• 1:34:45
  weird styles of writing whenever I read it. But you yeah so, but
• 1:34:51
  uh, but but I she is one of my biggest inspirations because of the
• 1:34:58
  hold that she has on her work, work, and that if I ever
• 1:35:01
  made it as a writer, I wanted to be that. I wanted the
• 1:35:06
  final say on every single thing. Because we saw what happened to George R.
• 1:35:12
  Martin with Game of Thrones, we saw what happened with how that ended
• 1:35:15
  in that final season and all of that and some of the Tolkien that about
• 1:35:18
  change. Yeah yeah, and then we have that with Rings of Power.
• 1:35:24
  I mean, as soon as Christopher Tolkien passed away, like the rest of
• 1:35:28
  his family, they sold his stuff to the White Slavers, as George Lucas
• 1:35:32
  calls it, mm hmm yeah. So so holding on to you, that's
• 1:35:36
  a voice is all that matters. That's quit the statement by George Lucas well,
• 1:35:42
  he was being sarcastic, but when he sold The Star Wars to didn't.
• 1:35:46
  When we sold Lucas from the Disney he said, well, I'm I'm
• 1:35:50
  you know, there's are my kids, but I'm selling him to the White
• 1:35:53
  Slavers. So there was there was a lament in that and yes, rightfully
• 1:35:58
  so since yeah, I know, and yet and yet, and this is
• 1:36:00
  the thing, George Lucas still defends them. He's like, oh no,
• 1:36:03
  I stand by what they did. Now. Granted there could have been a
• 1:36:06
  gun to his head. I don't know, but there is there is something,
• 1:36:12
  And I mean, we should wrap it up because we've gone for almost
• 1:36:14
  we've gone for an hour and a half a little bit more. But there
• 1:36:16
  is something in the art and mind of people who, despite them seeing their
• 1:36:27
  legacies destroyed by these people who hate what. They hate the audience, they
• 1:36:32
  hate the product, they just want to they just want to eat it from
• 1:36:35
  the inside out. And yet they still stand there and they say, no,
• 1:36:39
  no, this is okay, I have to let it go or whatever,
• 1:36:42
  and they even stand by them and defend them. There's something about the
• 1:36:45
  minds of those people, like I got into a little bit of a thing
• 1:36:49
  with David Jaffe. David Jaffee is the guy who created God of War.
• 1:36:55
  Oh no, oh yeah, he won't answer my questions. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:58
  he's been. He don't respond to me either, But I I I
• 1:37:03
  called him out on on something. Let me just bring it up on my
• 1:37:08
  Twitter here. I gotta I gotta like put it on the screen because he
• 1:37:13
  made a comment about Sellar Blade, because yeah, he keeps talking about it
• 1:37:19
  and I'm afraid I'm not seeing it. But he basically said something to the
• 1:37:26
  effect of, you know, like, oh why, like, uh,
• 1:37:30
  Sony is I don't know. He was defending study he's caping for Sony.
• 1:37:34
  I can't find it whatever, because they're the ones the Cellar Blade game is
• 1:37:38
  is an exclusive on their console. And I said, trying to find the
• 1:37:45
  uh response, because I'd rather just it was today. Yeah, but like
• 1:37:48
  some of the stuff gets buried, you know, like it just take me
• 1:37:53
  a moment. There is Twitter is incredibly difficult to navigate. Yeah, I
• 1:37:58
  know, like there's I think it needs to be changed in a few ways.
• 1:38:02
  But here, let me put it, let me share it with the
• 1:38:05
  audience. Here. Oh I got it. I got it. Thank you.
• 1:38:09
  Though, Yeah, he said, oh no, Sony is gonna lose
• 1:38:13
  their investments because they will have their DEI slash esg privileges provoked from black Raw.
• 1:38:17
  Oh they won't. You mean it was never proven Sony got investments for
• 1:38:20
  DEI scores. But but Gamergate too, Gamergate two, you guys, so
• 1:38:26
  I thought this was like an own, I guess, but it's like that
• 1:38:30
  that game is gonna make money. Okay, But just because you couldn't find
• 1:38:34
  a direct link between Cellar Blade and DEI doesn't mean that everything else isn't getting
• 1:38:42
  bruined. In fact, I think that there was a strong, a strong
• 1:38:45
  push to remove it. And I said, but you know, you know
• 1:38:47
  this woke esg nonsense is what killed your legacy, right, like his God
• 1:38:51
  of War games. You know this ideology eats and rots everything it touches,
• 1:38:55
  right, you know these people hate you or existing, right, And then
• 1:38:59
  I said, I think the primary mistake people like Jaffi may because I've spoken
• 1:39:01
  to him a couple of times. I've had him on the show a few
• 1:39:04
  years ago, back into Game of Gate one, so it was more than
• 1:39:06
  a few years ago, about ten years ago, and I tried to warn
• 1:39:11
  him. I said, you know, at the time, I think God
• 1:39:14
  of War the first remake game was coming out, and I was like,
• 1:39:16
  well, I don't know how they're gonna treat your property, but you might
• 1:39:19
  want to be careful because Crados had been criticized in a similar way that Mortal
• 1:39:27
  Kombat was or being too you know, mass toxically masculine, violent, misogynistic.
• 1:39:32
  Because I don't know if you know, but God of War has all
• 1:39:34
  these scenes where you can like you know, kill women and innocent people.
• 1:39:38
  And there's one bit in God of War three where you can have sex with
• 1:39:42
  like Adphrodity. It's very like appropriate for Greek stuff. And I know why
• 1:39:46
  Jeffy did. He was into that, he indulged in that kind of stuff
• 1:39:49
  because he was he's kind of like a big kid and this is kind of
• 1:39:54
  like his you know, high school, like I don't know, fantasy or
• 1:39:58
  whatever to like have these kind of ultra of violent games that are that allow
• 1:40:01
  you to release like some you know, I know, just a blow off
• 1:40:04
  yeah, like blow off steam like that's what it is, right And I
• 1:40:09
  said, yeah, but they're not going to see it that way. And
• 1:40:12
  I told him and he basically said, well, I don't know. It
• 1:40:15
  sounds me like you're really sexist. So so I said, I think the
• 1:40:18
  primary mistake, and I say this with sympathy that people like Jeffy May is
• 1:40:23
  they think that what they support is something benign, like, oh, I'm
• 1:40:26
  just I just care about diversity. Like this is an argument people make well,
• 1:40:29
  don't you like diversity? And don't you I like diversity in games?
• 1:40:31
  Like what's wrong with that? You know? Really? Yeah? Yeah?
• 1:40:34
  Don't you hate like people who hate women? Are you? Are you a
• 1:40:40
  big end like this? And that's what it always boils down to. I
• 1:40:45
  am a moral person, and for some reason, in my mind, being
• 1:40:48
  a moral person is not the default for everybody. It's it's like some special
• 1:40:56
  thing, like I'm on another plane of morality because I see women as human
• 1:41:00
  And it's like, well, we're no, I'm serious though, that's what
• 1:41:03
  it is you see. Would you like it? Would you like a lollipop
• 1:41:08
  for that? Yeah? Exactly. And it's like, I said, you
• 1:41:12
  you think that just like saying oh I care about diversity and stuff is somehow
• 1:41:17
  just automatically good or benign. I said, it's not. You're not fighting
• 1:41:21
  against bigots, because that's what you're That's what his The mindset is that like
• 1:41:27
  people who oppose this thing must be bigots, so I have to fight bigots.
• 1:41:31
  Like why do people walk around with shirts to this day that say punch
• 1:41:35
  a Nazi still when there are no Nazis around? Because they they they think
• 1:41:40
  that wearing the shirt is like a message like I'm a good person. Look
• 1:41:45
  at me. It's the one good man that we always talk about on our
• 1:41:48
  shows, right, it's the same mentality. It's this, like, what
• 1:41:51
  do you hate women? I don't hate women, like most people don't hate
• 1:41:55
  women. Why is it that people think it's moral two to put themselves in
• 1:42:02
  judgment of others and ignore the fact that most people are moral? I think
• 1:42:08
  is what you're getting it? Yeah, because that's that's that's how you assume
• 1:42:12
  that position of judgment is by assuming that everybody else is im moral. Yes,
• 1:42:16
  exactly, Yes, you're putting yourself. You're casting yourself as a moral
• 1:42:20
  the moral agent, and everyone else's I would like to ask him why it
• 1:42:28
  was okay for him to include nipples and his game, but it's not okay
• 1:42:33
  for Eve to exist. You mean female nipples? Yes, well he's lady
• 1:42:40
  nipples and God of War. Absolutely he does. Yeah. Yeah, but
• 1:42:44
  again he's throwing why is he throwing a hissy fit here? And it's genuous
• 1:42:50
  because it is. They're coming from from a wrong place, you know.
• 1:42:55
  He's trying to say, Oh, the internet's freaking out about Eve existing,
• 1:42:58
  about these guys have never seen a woman before? And that's the point is
• 1:43:03
  going over his head because the women from large budget studios are being again castrated.
• 1:43:12
  You can't you you don't see Eve in other games. You don't see
• 1:43:16
  you know. If Samus was made today, they like to say this,
• 1:43:18
  if Metrod came out today, you'd be calling it woke. No, because
• 1:43:24
  you would put her in a in a nun outfit basically, yeah, covered,
• 1:43:29
  she wouldn't be as beautiful as she is. You can't. She'd be
• 1:43:31
  wearing a hate job. Yeah, for sure. Claim ownership of that,
• 1:43:38
  because she is what you were trying to delete. She has hips, she
• 1:43:42
  has curves, she has breasts. She is a white woman with blue eyes
• 1:43:45
  and blonde hair. You would not allow that to exist as a main character.
• 1:43:50
  Mm hmm. Well, Also, he's refuting the wrong point, so
• 1:43:55
  like he's basically saying he's what he's really doing is caping for Sony. That's
• 1:43:59
  what he's doing. He's saying, Oh, Sony's not doing the DSG thing.
• 1:44:01
  Look at this, and it's like you're missing the point, Like this
• 1:44:04
  is the exception, you know, and and who knows the waters. Yeah,
• 1:44:11
  they're probably checking to see like what's going to be the bigger bang for
• 1:44:15
  the buck. So but oh oh sorry, actually no, I got a
• 1:44:21
  question. Oh well, I wanted to do to uh actually see what kind
• 1:44:27
  of what kind of stuff do you write out of curiosity? So I've done
• 1:44:31
  I've done a ghostwriting and product writing for people as well. But for my
• 1:44:34
  own personal work, I enjoy world building. I have a fantasy based world
• 1:44:41
  with magic. I have science based world. It's kind of like a cross
• 1:44:44
  between Doom and Final Fantasy just in terms of technology levels. And the other
• 1:44:53
  one that I've got that I'm working on now, my first book that I
• 1:44:56
  plan on publishing is going to be part of a sci fi series. After
• 1:45:00
  what happened with the last Star Wars, I was so frustrated, and I
• 1:45:05
  said, I can make a better world than this. Oh yes, I
• 1:45:12
  know it. Well it is because like I used to love writing. I
• 1:45:15
  know, I know, it's kind of like frowned upon to like talk about
• 1:45:18
  it as if it's normal, But like I was a big fan fiction writer
• 1:45:21
  because I enjoy putting characters through different scenarios and trying to to come up with
• 1:45:29
  the best possible way that that character and their personality would respond to something else.
• 1:45:33
  That is the most fun for me. So after they completely butchered the
• 1:45:41
  concept of of Kylo Wren, I said, I can do that, but
• 1:45:45
  better. I bet you can. I bet you can. We'll see,
• 1:45:48
  we'll see. I'm hoping, hoping to get the first book done by by
• 1:45:53
  the end of the year. You shouldn't, I'm also I was. I've
• 1:45:56
  also done fanfic too, so I've also written fan fis on and I am
• 1:46:00
  not in no position to judge. But so, how where are you at
• 1:46:04
  in the like the publishing pipeline. Are you getting close to having a novel
• 1:46:10
  ready? Or oh god no, no, I'm such a so. So
• 1:46:15
  this is this comes back to how I was in my twenties. So the
• 1:46:17
  way that I was raised was basically, you know, my parents were not
• 1:46:23
  overly supportive of the idea of me going into making video games or being an
• 1:46:27
  artist as a career because you know, like any good dad, he's like,
• 1:46:30
  Okay, you need to go to college and get a good degree so
• 1:46:32
  that way you have a well pressed job. Then yeah, and do whatever
• 1:46:35
  you want. But but they would always tell me, well, that's for
• 1:46:38
  the professionals. So one of the reasons why I kept turning down jobs in
• 1:46:43
  my twenties is because I kept feeling like I wasn't ready. So I am
• 1:46:47
  so incredibly hard on myself and I will rewrite something a thousand times, and
• 1:46:56
  I'm learning how to stop doing that. And so I actually published a small
• 1:47:01
  kids book under a pen name, and I don't advertise it at all,
• 1:47:05
  but it was my first first real step into being able to let go.
• 1:47:13
  So this will be the second step because the sci fi story that the spacey
• 1:47:18
  sci fi story that I'm working on is more of an experiment and it's not
• 1:47:23
  It is still very precious to me, but it's not some of my other
• 1:47:27
  characters that I've been drawing since I was eight and ten years old. There's
• 1:47:30
  one character I just posted recently. I draw her constantly, but she's one
• 1:47:34
  of my most cherished characters and I've been drawing her since I was thirteen,
• 1:47:39
  So you know, those worlds need a lot more building up. There's you
• 1:47:43
  know, I have over a thousand named characters between everything that I've worked on,
• 1:47:46
  So yeah, I've gotter. I've got a lot of characters too,
• 1:47:51
  and I create stuff for like whenever I you know, like I made a
• 1:47:56
  mascot for this channel, Badger Chance and that was like an easy one.
• 1:48:01
  But like, I'm with you on that. I like to make characters and
• 1:48:04
  yeah, and I think you know, I well go ahead, Alison.
• 1:48:09
  Are these like drawn characters or are they just constructed in novel or like in
• 1:48:15
  written fiction or I have them. There's a lot of them that I do
• 1:48:18
  draw. There's I have basic character sheets for some of them. Most of
• 1:48:23
  them are written with loads of backstory, even if they only show up for
• 1:48:28
  you know, one or two pages, just because that's what I genuinely enjoyed
• 1:48:30
  doing. I'm like, how can I use this character in the future.
• 1:48:33
  Maybe, But they all start off with a fundamental you know, a premise
• 1:48:38
  or a question or a moral. Like my my most cherished character, Sadie.
• 1:48:43
  She is my expression of my fear of death and what it means to
• 1:48:47
  be human on a philosophical level. So everything about her kind of revolves around
• 1:48:54
  that concept, and every choice that she makes takes that question as a way
• 1:48:59
  to a pro how she solves problems, how she views other people, and
• 1:49:02
  all of that. Hmm, Okay, yeah, that's it. That's a
• 1:49:06
  That's definitely an interesting way to go about creating characters I have. I'm I'm
• 1:49:11
  also currently trying to finish up a novel that I've been working on for about
• 1:49:15
  two years. One of my beta readers calls it Alison Wonderland meets Game of
• 1:49:21
  Thrones. So yeah, but yeah, it's a the character that the main
• 1:49:29
  character. I didn't. I also started with a question like what if you
• 1:49:33
  believed something that was fundamentally wrong, but you you you felt like you were
• 1:49:40
  saving the world, but what you were doing is actually doing it. So
• 1:49:45
  I wanted to explore that kind of a moral quandary. So it's a little
• 1:49:48
  bit similar to, I think to what you were talking about of having a
• 1:49:50
  taking a character and having a question and having them embody a question. Uh
• 1:49:56
  so it's it's it's cool to me to a fellow writer, that's uh yeah.
• 1:50:01
  We we had the Sad Puppies on before. It was like a while
• 1:50:04
  back. So and what was it. What was his name, Gregory Allen
• 1:50:09
  Elliott? Oh wow, I remember that he got in trouble too. He
• 1:50:13
  was an artist. But we should wrap it up. We've gone for about
• 1:50:18
  getting on two hours now. But okay, Savvy is there. Yeah,
• 1:50:24
  I know, it's it's all right, It's all right. So I want
• 1:50:27
  to say that I think it's I think that we I'd like to have you
• 1:50:30
  back on again sometime to talk more about art stuff because I think that,
• 1:50:34
  like when when we talk about like how sad it is that people with without
• 1:50:42
  talent that just want to exploit essentially systems or tools that may have been put
• 1:50:48
  in place with good intentions to help people like get a leg up. It's
• 1:50:54
  kind of sad, but maybe we can maybe we as individuals can try to
• 1:50:59
  build something. I mean that what comic Skate did and uh, and I
• 1:51:02
  think that more of this stuff is starting to happen. I support indie game
• 1:51:06
  developers, for example, and I get help from people that are sort of
• 1:51:11
  adjacent to that scene. So maybe maybe you come back on and we can,
• 1:51:15
  you know, talk about other things that you like and yeh'll be good,
• 1:51:19
  be good, okay, definitely all right, awesome. And now I
• 1:51:23
  will ask you this. So we've been talking about a lot of negative stuff.
• 1:51:26
  But what is a game that you are that is that you are playing
• 1:51:30
  right now that you are really enjoying that's newer. I know that retro games
• 1:51:33
  are making a comeback, which is cool. I'm down for that, but
• 1:51:36
  like, what is a new game that you're that you're enjoying right now,
• 1:51:40
  a new film or recent film that you really liked, and a recent show
• 1:51:44
  that you're also really into. Game is really hard because I have been so
• 1:51:47
  busy with commissions. But it's while it's not necessarily a newer game, they
• 1:51:51
  did just announce a DLC. If you don't play rim World, you need
• 1:51:56
  to, especially rim World for remaking. Oh my gosh, yes, I
• 1:52:00
  have thousands of hours in that game. It's so oh okay, Oh,
• 1:52:03
  it's basically how do you how do you describe it? You control a colony
• 1:52:10
  and their storytelling system is so good. No two games will ever play the
• 1:52:14
  same, so it's endless replayability. And the mod community is so beautiful.
• 1:52:19
  I usually run about eight hundred to nine hundred mods, but the vanilla game
• 1:52:25
  itself is still fantastic and there's so much to learn. It's you will always
• 1:52:30
  laugh and smile even through the most stressful of moments. A recent movie or
• 1:52:35
  show. I don't watch a lot of movies anymore, just because Hollywood is
• 1:52:39
  hollywooding. But Showgun, if you haven't started working, Oh, Shogun is
• 1:52:44
  so good. Showgun is so good. Yes, it is good. On
• 1:52:48
  my favorite thing, Alison, if you haven't seen Showgun, it is so
• 1:52:53
  good. Like I can't believe it's on Hulu because the Disney owns it.
• 1:52:57
  But it's through yeah, through FX. Yeah yeah, it's definitely through FX
• 1:53:02
  and and I'm not watching it on either of those platforms. But but what
• 1:53:05
  my favorite thing about it is how authentic it feels like. It's one of
• 1:53:11
  the most authentic period shows based on a book that my father owned and read.
• 1:53:16
  It was like one of his favorite books. So yeah, he read
• 1:53:19
  the original book. Show Gun is good. Yeah, so not the old
• 1:53:25
  one but there, but you can watch the old one too, but this
• 1:53:28
  is a new one directed by or not directed produced by hero Yuki A.
• 1:53:31
  Sonata, who you might know from. He's like the he was in a
• 1:53:34
  lot of stuff. He was in John Wick four, he was in uh
• 1:53:39
  the Last Samurai with Tom Cruise. He was on Sunshine. I feel that
• 1:53:44
  he was in the the Japanese version of The Ring, right, that was
• 1:53:47
  like the first thing I saw him in. Uh So, yeah, he's
• 1:53:50
  in a lot of stuff. It's very good. Showgun is beautiful beautiful art,
• 1:53:55
  yeah beautiful. Yeah yeah. Yeah. So anyway, thank you so
• 1:54:01
  much, Savvy for coming on. Do you have any final words or thoughts
• 1:54:04
  before we close it out? Uh, never stop creating and don't let someone
• 1:54:11
  else tell you you can't do something, because you can. All right,
• 1:54:16
  Well stated beautiful, Thank you so much. I got a super chat from
• 1:54:20
  Albert Nada Retro gives this five dollars Canadian and says Eve is actually based on
• 1:54:26
  a real woman named Shinjai Yun. So when they knock Eve's appearance, they
• 1:54:30
  body shame a real woman. Yeah, but these people care about that.
• 1:54:33
  They don't care about that like woman to celebrate their their language. Whenever they
• 1:54:40
  use their shaming language there, it only goes in one direction because they really
• 1:54:45
  don't care about that stuff. They just care about what can emotionally manipulate you
• 1:54:50
  to do what they ask. So this is why you have to like never
• 1:54:54
  apologize, like the like the number one thing. Never never apologize because it's
• 1:54:59
  not about out apology, it's not about guilt, it's about control. Anyway.
• 1:55:04
  Well, thank you so much, Savy for coming on. I really
• 1:55:06
  appreciate this thought. It was great having you on and talking to you,
• 1:55:11
  and hopefully I'll see you. We'll see you really soon. We'll do this
• 1:55:15
  again definitely, thank you, so all right having me all right, thank
• 1:55:19
  you? All right, well I'm going to wrap it up there, Alison.
• 1:55:24
  Do you want to do any things or should I just oh yeah,
• 1:55:26
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• 1:56:26
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• 1:56:30
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• 1:56:35
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• 1:56:40
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