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Feminists Around the World: Tawakkul Karmān · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I've never told you prediction, but I heard you.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another feminist around the world. And again
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna go ahead and put our caveats at the top. Pronunciation.
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  Speaker 2: We're trying our best. Some of the things are kind
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  Speaker 2: of a struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Again, we are.
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  Speaker 2: US citizens and myself who is really trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out these pronunciations. So if we say a name wrong,
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  Speaker 2: whatever organization wrong, please let us know because we do
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  Speaker 2: want to correct it. But know that we did try
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  Speaker 2: to research and trying our damnedest. And like I have discovered,
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to languages, when you're technique in accident,
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  Speaker 2: skills are specific to one area and you don't travel
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  Speaker 2: often into these areas with very different differing languages, your
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  Speaker 2: muscle memory slash mouth like muscles can't form some words
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  Speaker 2: that I really wish I could. I wish I was
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  Speaker 2: that fluid. It's kind of like the rolling of the rs.
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  Speaker 2: I can't do it well. I figured this out, and
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  Speaker 2: as I'm trying to learn Korean, I can't do the
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  Speaker 2: back of the throat like throttle that they do in
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  Speaker 2: some of their words. I'm sad about that, but just
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  Speaker 2: put that at the top of here, as well as
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  Speaker 2: the fact I am going to absolutely be transparent with
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  Speaker 2: the all when I say when it comes to conflicts
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  Speaker 2: around the world, I am naive. There are a few
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  Speaker 2: things that I do know of, and we have been
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  Speaker 2: very very very much so blinded by our own teachings,
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  Speaker 2: especially here in the US, especially here in the South,
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  Speaker 2: in which we were not taught things correctly and or
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  Speaker 2: we have been ignorant and or taught misinformation a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've talked about that a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I love that we have social media now to learn
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  Speaker 2: a little more depth of it, and I am very
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  Speaker 2: proud of the fact that our younger generations are understanding that.
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  Speaker 2: As a person who was an excellennial, I have found
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  Speaker 2: my group of people I understand that I do not
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  Speaker 2: completely understand what has happened and what is continuing to
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  Speaker 2: happen all around the world, and that includes again from
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  Speaker 2: my own country, home country of Korea. I just learned
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  Speaker 2: some new facts that I'm like, why didn't I know this?
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  Speaker 2: In the establishment of North Korea. I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this has a lot to do with US militarial dictation
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  Speaker 2: that I had no idea dictatorship essentially in its well matter.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not like my mind is blown, let's just
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  Speaker 2: say that. But as we try to continue to highlight
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  Speaker 2: things around the world, and as we are teaching ourselves,
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  Speaker 2: I'm learning myself. I have realized it will take another
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  Speaker 2: two semesters, if not four years, of trying to study
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  Speaker 2: what is happening in the conflicts and to get to
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  Speaker 2: the nitty gritty and to get to the understanding and
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  Speaker 2: the backgrounds of some of the atrocities that have happened
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  Speaker 2: and continue to happen. So I'm gonna put that at
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  Speaker 2: this top. As I am we are speaking and highlighting
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  Speaker 2: these activists, Please know if something is misarticulated or something
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  Speaker 2: is out of frame in lay timelines, we are doing
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  Speaker 2: our best. Please correct us though, because we don't want
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  Speaker 2: to stay on that misinformation obviously, including the fact that
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  Speaker 2: one of the articles on here says like a twenty
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  Speaker 2: eleven timeline, and then you go to her actual site.
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  Speaker 2: The activist actual site has twenty ten. But then I
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  Speaker 2: kind of go back and forth and I think, actually
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  Speaker 2: her website might be off because of the articles that
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  Speaker 2: were written. But hu, and again that's like thirteen years ago,
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  Speaker 2: so more than a decade, just as a reminder. So,
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  Speaker 2: but that does not stop us from highlighting the amazing activist,
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  Speaker 2: because that shouldn't stop us just because we are afraid
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  Speaker 2: that we might be off with just some of the information.
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  Speaker 2: So again, if y'all have more information, I would like
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  Speaker 2: to tell us more, please please do all right, so
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  Speaker 2: let's jump into it. So we're talking about the first
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  Speaker 2: Arab woman who won the Nobel Peace Prize, Tawakool Carmen,
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  Speaker 2: and she was also the youngest at the time to
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  Speaker 2: win the Nobel Peace Prize. This was in twenty eleven,
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  Speaker 2: as well as the fact I believe she's the second
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  Speaker 2: Muslim woman to actually win as well, So a lot
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  Speaker 2: of first for her, like or at least close to
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  Speaker 2: and Carmen is a Yemini activist who has been working
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  Speaker 2: for the rights and nonviolent resistance for women's rights and
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  Speaker 2: freedoms for her community. Along with her works as an advocate,
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  Speaker 2: Carmen is also a journalist and writer and has learned
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  Speaker 2: a lot from her own family, who are very politically involved.
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  Speaker 2: Her father served as a Minister of Legal Affairs in
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  Speaker 2: the late eighties and early nineties.
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  Speaker 1: In her country, and after earning her degrees, she quickly
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  Speaker 1: became active in political activism within her country. Here's a
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  Speaker 1: bit about her from Britannica dot com. Graduated from the
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  Speaker 1: University of Science and Technology in Sanah with a degree
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  Speaker 1: in commerce in nineteen ninety nine and later earned a
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  Speaker 1: master's degree in political science. After completing her education, Carmen
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  Speaker 1: began career in journalism, writing articles, producing documentary films, and
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  Speaker 1: disseminating news alerts via text messages, and she encountered restrictions
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  Speaker 1: and threats from the Umeni government. Carmen and several of
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  Speaker 1: her colleagues founded Women Journalists Without Chains in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and five to advocate for women's rights, civil rights, and
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  Speaker 1: freedom of expression.
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  Speaker 2: So here's a bit from her own site, Tawakkolecarmen dot
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  Speaker 2: net talking about the Women Journalists Without Chains quote. In
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and five, she founded Women Journalists Without Chains
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  Speaker 2: to advocate for freedom of the press and worked as
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  Speaker 2: a campaigning journalist reporting on government and justice and human
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  Speaker 2: rights issues, including malnutrition and illiteracy among girls. In two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and five, Carmen was one of eight female journalists
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  Speaker 2: who founded the human rights group Women Journalists Without Chains.
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  Speaker 2: The group promoted press freedom and mobile phone news services,
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  Speaker 2: which were tightly.
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  Speaker 1: And here's some more information from her bio in the
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  Speaker 1: Noblewomen's Initiative dot org quote a journalist by profession and
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  Speaker 1: human rights activists by nature. Tawakoul responded to the political
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  Speaker 1: instability in human rights abuses in Yemen by mobilizing others
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  Speaker 1: and reporting on injustices. In two thousand and five, she
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  Speaker 1: founded the organization Women Journalists Without Chains wj WC, which
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  Speaker 1: advocates for rights and freedoms and provides media skills to journalists.
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  Speaker 1: In addition, the organization produces regular reports on human rights
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  Speaker 1: abuses in Yemen, documenting more than fifty cases of attacks
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  Speaker 1: and unfair sentences against newspapers and writers to date. With
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  Speaker 1: all of these abuses and unfair treatment against the press
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  Speaker 1: and journalists, Carmen began organizing sit ins and demonstrations to
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  Speaker 1: protest the government. Here's some more information from that Britannica
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  Speaker 1: profile quote. In two thousand and seven, Carmen began staging
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  Speaker 1: weekly sudents in Sanad to demand a variety of democratic reforms.
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  Speaker 1: She continued the practice for several years and was arrested
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  Speaker 1: moreultiple times for her activism. Although Carmen was a senior
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  Speaker 1: member of the islab Refeign Party, Yemmon's main Islamist opposition party,
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  Speaker 1: she occasionally clashed with the party's religious conservatives. In twenty ten,
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  Speaker 1: for example, she criticized members of her own party for
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  Speaker 1: opposing legislation to raise the legal marriage age for women
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  Speaker 1: to seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: So in twenty eleven, Carmen was still organizing sit ins
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  Speaker 2: and protests, including for students around the areas, and she
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  Speaker 2: was a target for the government for her continued work.
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  Speaker 2: In January of twenty eleven, she and her family were
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  Speaker 2: stopped by playing clothes officers and taken to prison for
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  Speaker 2: thirty six hours. And it was this action that many
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  Speaker 2: really saw what was happening with Carmen and her work
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  Speaker 2: in protests. So here's a quote that she had written
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  Speaker 2: and published into April twenty eleven in a Guardian article
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  Speaker 2: about the situation. And yes, we're pretty much reading two
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  Speaker 2: articles that she had written soon after. So we were
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  Speaker 2: going to be reading this in the New York Times article,
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  Speaker 2: and we're doing a big chunk because I think it's
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  Speaker 2: important that you hear her words. That we all hear
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  Speaker 2: her words rather so. The revolution in Yuman began immediately
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  Speaker 2: after the fall of Ben Ali Indunisia. On January fourteenth,
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  Speaker 2: As I always do when arranging a demonstration, I posted
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  Speaker 2: a message on Facebook calling on people to celebrate the
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  Speaker 2: Tunisian uprising on sixteenth of January. The following day, a
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  Speaker 2: group of students from Sunai University asked me to attend
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  Speaker 2: a visual in front of the Tunisian embassy. The crowd
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  Speaker 2: was shouting heroes, we are with you in the line
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  Speaker 2: of fire against the evil rulers. We were treated roughly
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  Speaker 2: by the security forces, and we chanted if one day
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  Speaker 2: a people desire to live, then destiny will answer their
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  Speaker 2: call and the night must come to an end, the
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  Speaker 2: mantra of the revolutionaries in Tunisia. The demonstration was astonishing.
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  Speaker 2: Thousands turned up and Sina's witnessed its first peaceful demonstration
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  Speaker 2: of the overthrow of the regime. Go before you were
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  Speaker 2: driven out, we cried. The nice suit and youth leaders
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  Speaker 2: visited me along with the human rights activists Ahmed safe
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  Speaker 2: Hashid and the writer Abdul Bahi Tahir. We agreed that
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  Speaker 2: we would not let this historic moment pass us by
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  Speaker 2: and that we too could spark a peaceful revolution to
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  Speaker 2: demand an end to the despotic regime. We decided there
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  Speaker 2: was to be no backing down, despite the repression we
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  Speaker 2: knew would come. The rallies grew daily, even though the
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  Speaker 2: government deployed thugs against us. After a week of protest,
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  Speaker 2: I was detained by the security forces in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the night. This has to become a defining moment
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  Speaker 2: in the Yemini Revolution. Media outlets reported my detention and
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  Speaker 2: demonstrations erupted in most provinces of the country. They were
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  Speaker 2: organized by students, civil society activists, and politicians. The pressure
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  Speaker 2: on the government was intense and I was released after
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  Speaker 2: thirty six hours in a women's prison, where I was
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  Speaker 2: kept in chains. After my release, I continued to demonstrate.
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  Speaker 2: Invitations were sent to all parties, including the people of
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  Speaker 2: the south, the hutis in the north, the tribes, trade unions,
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  Speaker 2: civil society organizations, and the army to join the peaceful
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  Speaker 2: student and demand an end to the regime.
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  Speaker 1: And in June that same year, she went on to
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  Speaker 1: publish another article in The New York Times titled Yemen's
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  Speaker 1: Unfinished Revolution, where she writes, after more than five months
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  Speaker 1: of continuous protest, I stand today in Changed Square with
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  Speaker 1: thousands of young people, united by a lofty dream. I
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  Speaker 1: have spent days and nights camped out in tents with
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  Speaker 1: fellow protesters. I have led demonstrations in the streets, facing
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  Speaker 1: the threat of mortars, missiles and gunfire. I have struggled
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  Speaker 1: to build a movement for democratic change, all while caring
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  Speaker 1: for my three young children. We have reached this historic
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  Speaker 1: moment because we chose to march in the streets demanding
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  Speaker 1: the resignation of President Ali Abdullah Sale, an end to
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  Speaker 1: his corrupt and failed regime, and the establishment of a
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  Speaker 1: modern democratic state. On June fourth, our wish for mister
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  Speaker 1: Sali's departure was granted, but our demand for democracy remains unfulfilled.
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  Speaker 1: Following months of peaceful protests that reached every village, neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: and street, Yemen is now facing a complete vacuum of
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  Speaker 1: authority without a president or parliament. Mister Sally may be gone,
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  Speaker 1: but authority has not yet been transferred to transitional presidential
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  Speaker 1: Council endorsed by the people.
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  Speaker 2: So in the article, she continues to implore outside governments
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  Speaker 2: to intervene and essentially the mess that they help cause,
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  Speaker 2: that we're killing and violating the many citizens. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would encourage everyone to go to either one of
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  Speaker 2: these articles or both of these articles. You can. Actually
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  Speaker 2: she does have a Wikipedia page and there are links
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  Speaker 2: to that New York Times article as where well as
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  Speaker 2: a Guardian article where she talks about what is happening
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  Speaker 2: and what is needed and who she's calling out, and
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  Speaker 2: of course the US is a part of that, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's a big key proponent to a
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  Speaker 2: majority of these conflicts. We'll just keep that right there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on a list. I'm definitely on a list.
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  Speaker 1: I've been on a list in s eighth grade.
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  Speaker 2: But just how deeply it's going and what they need
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  Speaker 2: and what they're calling out, and they're on history behind
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  Speaker 2: who is putting these people in power and for what reason?
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's really important that we keep talking
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  Speaker 2: about it because these conflicts are still happening. So during
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  Speaker 2: these long protests and demonstrations, Carmen would continue to call
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  Speaker 2: for peaceful protests, even saying quote, with non violence, the
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  Speaker 2: journey to freedom is less bloody and more guaranteed. Of course, yes,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a lot of violence happening against them,
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  Speaker 2: including people dying during demonstrations, So her tireless work and
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  Speaker 2: fighting still continues as she travels around the world speaking
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  Speaker 2: and advocating for peace and human rights and protections for
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  Speaker 2: her people in all people, and of course, along with
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  Speaker 2: her Nobel Peace Prize, she has many other accolades under names.
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  Speaker 2: She has a documentary of her I believe the title
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  Speaker 2: the Screams We Talk About the Women's Revolt in twenty eleven,
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  Speaker 2: and from her site says quote. She has received various
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  Speaker 2: awards and accolades, which includes one of Time Magazine's Most
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  Speaker 2: Rebellious Women in History in twenty eleven, one of Foreign
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  Speaker 2: Policy Magazine's Top one hundred Global Thinkers for three years,
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  Speaker 2: one of cnian's list of most Powerful Women in the World.
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  Speaker 2: Towerkool has been selected for international powerful positions, member of
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations High Level Panel of Imminent Persons on
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  Speaker 2: Post twenty fifteen Development, member of Transparency Internationals Advisory Council,
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  Speaker 2: and many international NGOs. I actually did listen to one
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  Speaker 2: of her speeches happening in the United States recently as well,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's also good to note while she
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  Speaker 2: was attending lecturing for University of North Dakota in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three, So just last year, the student asked her
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  Speaker 2: what advice she would offer to the next generation of
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  Speaker 2: people aspiring to affect me for change. As she said,
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  Speaker 2: you are strong enough to do very big things. Believe
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  Speaker 2: in your goals, believe in yourself. If you dream what
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  Speaker 2: you want and make your dream bold, there is no
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  Speaker 2: fear of consequence, and always always search for the truth.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, with that, we are here as supporting our
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  Speaker 2: fellow young people and those out there protest and using
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  Speaker 2: their their rights and being peaceful protesters. And know that
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  Speaker 2: we are thinking of you and we applaud what you
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  Speaker 2: are doing.
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