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Unnecessary ref-ness: Packers fall to Lions · The UnPack Podcast - a podcast about the Green Bay Packers

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okay now I can breathe the first voice you heard
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was nick boinheimer it's about 10 a .m. there
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your mid workday bound to get Interrupted by
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a team's call here at any minute. How are you
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doing? I'm good the yes when I do get the team's
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call it comes through the headphones So it can
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it was it happened last week. It's jarring But
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I I've gotten pretty good at ignoring them just
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in my regular day today. So We are good If your
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HR department if Nick's HR department is listening
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to this call none of that. We're just joking
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It's all facetious. Joking. He still works 40
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hours in a week. He just works them on a slightly
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different schedule. That's true. With a one hour
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gap in between. Remote life. Yeah, remote life.
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Exactly. That voice was, of course, Alex Patakis,
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Big Daddy in the house. How you doing, man? Yeah,
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good. Also in pajamas. Living in pajamas the
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last four or five days. Don't yeah time doesn't
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matter. It's just yeah, I set alarms for whatever
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I need to do and It's great. What is the cumulative
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sleep you're getting in a 24 hour period right
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now? I Say like five hours, which is pretty good
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I'm also someone who could function on little
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sleep pretty well, which stems back to probably
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the radio days where I wouldn't sacrifice my
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nightlife for the fact that I would be like on
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the air at six in the morning. So I'm conditioned
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for this. I'm made for this. Didn't you also
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do like overnight hits on Sirius XM? Yeah. Also
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that there was a lot of late nights there where
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I'd be heading home on the, on the F train at
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like three in the morning from Rockefeller center,
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fall asleep, pass my stop. Yep. Yeah. That whole
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thing. Well, those are the days. We're glad to
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have you back from your... I feel like it's very
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American. We've given you a paternity leave of
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exactly two days and you're back to work. Yeah,
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appreciate it. Thank you. If we were all located
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in Europe, it'd be like, well, we'll just see
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you guys in two months. We're folding up shop
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here for a little while. It is interesting being
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on leave and... in a way, having way more time
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for things like podcasting, because there's just
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like, if she's sleeping, like there's just like
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literally nothing else to do. Like I don't really
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check my email because like I'm not supposed
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to and I'm not supposed to answer, but I'll like
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text someone if I really have to. How do you
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feel the time? It's kind of fun. Yeah, I watch
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a lot of sports at weird hours. It's good. So
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yeah, anyway. That sucked, eh? Yeah. Yeah. I
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don't. I mean, that's that's the most succinct,
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I think, review we're going to get of that game.
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Lions over Packers 20 to 17 at Ford Field. That
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sucked a quote unquote dash Alex Patakis. There's
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a lot that we could talk about from this game,
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and we will. But. Something that I wanted to
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do is I wanted to start so everyone's talking
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about the refs the officiating has been really
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just a thing unfortunately that we have to talk
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about pretty much every week and It's even it's
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gotten so bad that like National shows that I
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listen to are now talking about it specifically
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with respect to the Packers. So that's when you
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know, it's like, okay, there is something Something
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is going on. I'm not I'm not even saying like
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the fixes in although I did post that on blue
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sky mid game in a fit of emotional outburst I
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don't really necessarily believe that but Yeah,
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if non Packers fans of supposedly objective national
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people who are covering the league are starting
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to say stuff then I feel like it's It's worth
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talking about but there's a lot of football also
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to talk about in this game And so what I wanted
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to do was give us all a sanctioned period to
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talk about the refs. We're each going to pick
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one thing from this game and we'll get I think
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we decided two minutes. I was originally going
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to do 40 seconds like, oh, it's a play clock.
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And then we were all kind of writing our screeds.
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And we're just like, man, I don't know if seconds
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is enough. We're all going to get two minutes.
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That's six minutes total. And then we will talk
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football and we will try to not talk about refereeing
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because it's not It's not fun. We'll give everybody
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two minutes of you know Catharsis and then we'll
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we'll move on and try to talk about ball. We
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we all clear on that. We like that idea I'm clear
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clear. All right, sir. All right. I think I'm
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gonna go first and I'm gonna set a little timer
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here for two minutes. I'm gonna hit start and
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we're gonna go All right refs are there to open
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the field of play with a whistle. Then they adjudicate
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violations within the field of play and then
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they close the field of play with what's that
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kids? A whistle. The sound you just heard. Amanraah
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St. Brown is being tackled. He falls on top of
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a player and could have been ruled down but wasn't.
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There was no whistle or indication from the refs.
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Amanraah then gets up and tries to start running
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again. A play, by the way, that if Amon Ra St.
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Brown had just jogged all the way to the end
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zone, might have eventually been ruled a touchdown.
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And in fact, you know this was top of mind for
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the Packers. You know that they spent all week
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harping on playing to the whistle because of
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the Christian Watson miss opportunity the week
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prior. Saint Brown gets up and basically runs
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into Wyatt, who tackles him to the ground because
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there was no whistle. And in the process, Saint
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Brown kicks Terry Killens, the umpire, I believe,
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in the stomach and knocks him to the ground.
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Killens then throws a flag while laying on his
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back like an upturned turtle. And instead of
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being a big boy about it and admitting that there
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was no penalty, he decided to make it about his
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will ouchy. And it really is just the ultimate
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encapsulation of the refs making it about themselves.
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Rob Demofsky yesterday reported clarification
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from the league that quote sometimes officials
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do not blow the whistle immediately if they do
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not see the ball and they're moving in to work
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the dead ball action. And then when a player
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is down on the ground for that long quote unquote
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without saying how long that long quote unquote
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is supposed to be is making no effort to get
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up blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's not even
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really describing what happened in this instance.
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The ref's pride was hurt. He threw a flag. It
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should have been picked up and it wasn't. And
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it cost the Packers big in this game. End of
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story, really. And I'm proud of myself for getting
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this in. Two minutes starting now. Hear that,
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everybody? That's a whistle. That's how you know
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the play is over. Man, what can you add? Nothing.
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I just... True. That's where it all unfolded,
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unraveled. Yeah. Kind of began with that. It
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did begin with that one. I was really infuriating.
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We'll have a few seconds in between here, too,
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if you guys want to add if we want to add to
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each other. But I just that was the one for me
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that just it was such a clear display of like
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this ref just got his pride hurt. And, you know,
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that happens sometimes. And they tried to make
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it up later. I believe there was like one or
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two makeup calls. I think that's a thing that
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happens, unfortunately. But it just kind of like
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further drove the point home that it was just
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a terribly refereed game. Anyway, I'm pissed.
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I know you're pissed. I brought up this topic
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and suddenly you're throwing charts and videos
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and research into the chat on referee related
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topics. Yeah, I wanted to. While I do understand
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that Packers found a lot of ways to beat themselves
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in that in that game, you can't like. Two things
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can be true. And there can be a center of the
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Venn diagram that makes that a really frustrating
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watch. And you can't have. And I do get tired
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at some of the like, I don't know, stewards of
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the game or people that like online try to act
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as the as the adult in the room or the non biased
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on emotional folks and be like, well, actually,
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this is a rat's take. I mean, yeah, in. It was
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just very frustrating to watch someone die on
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a hill for some context. Aaron Schatz, who I
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generally respect and has a very good football
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mind, has a, is a statistics driven and a data
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driven voice that provides a lot of good, um,
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I don't know, a lot of good perspective about
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the game and a lot of like data backed nuance,
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but there is, while things can be random quote
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unquote, there's not. You also have to look at
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date. A data set can exist. Where's one team
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is getting the full brunt of the bad calls and
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the Packers are statistically based on a bunch
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of different data on the very wrong side of some
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really horrible causes. Yeah. And we've got six
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games of samples so far. Jordan loves hasn't
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Earned a roughing the passer yet. He's been hit
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50 60 times. Yeah. All right. Is this you? We're
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we're we're now this isn't even part of my rant.
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All right, sorry You can cue me up. All right,
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you ready? Yes. All right. The play is starting
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in three two one Okay All right, so the NFL's
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official equivalent of the targeting rule rule
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12 section 2 article 10 impermissible use of
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the helmet What does that look like? I don't
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know. Maybe a guy by the name of Brian branch
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who has a history of targeting by using the crown
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of his helmet, who's been kicked out of games
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in the past, who the NFL should have a specific
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microscope on right away out of the gates, puts
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his crown of the helmet down, hits Tucker craft
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clearly. in the helmet. And I feel like this
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got glanced over on the broadcast. It wasn't
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brought up. I, even when we were texting back
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and forth, I was like, yo, that looked pretty
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bad. And we were like, what was it? What are
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you talking about? We saw the replay. You're
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like, oh yeah, that was by the definition of
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the NFL's rule book targeting no flag thrown.
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Okay. Ref Smith's a couple of calls throughout
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the game, whatever. But if you're in, if your
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entire explanation for more flags being thrown
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is to Um, adjudicate appropriately and try to
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protect player safety. Is there anything more
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dangerous than seeing a player get hit above
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the shoulders helmet to helmet? Not a lot. And
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for you to throw these ticky tack flags throughout
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the course of the game, especially on Packers,
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pass packers, pass rushes. And yes, a tight end
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running downfield is not, um, judged the same
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way that a quarterback in the pocket is, but
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you have to be able to use. common sense in spots
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like that to understand that Bretton Cox, coming
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through a block, getting pushed into Jared golf
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and trying to hold himself up is not anywhere
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close to as dangerous as what Brian branch did
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to Tucker craft. So if you actually care about
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player safety and not just whatever this like,
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what, whatever this like power trip is, then
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I don't know what we do. I don't know what we
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do about. Things being bogged down, this game
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being slowed down. Yeah, I don't know. I totally
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agree. You know, it was the first drive of the
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game. He's in there for a couple of plays, having
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just come back from an injury, Brian Branch,
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and then immediately shows why he is one of the
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most dangerous players in the league. He immediately
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puts himself and everyone else in, frankly, grave
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danger doing the old Atari Bigby coming into
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the shot. Helmet first like a torpedo and he's
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just he just does that all the time and you're
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right. He should have a microscope on him Justice
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has talked about how this is like a money issue
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for the league, but they're you know a multi
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-billion dollar Corporation they need to have
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at least one person if not two in a booth in
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every game That just is able to call down and
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go yo, we saw something on this That's got to
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be a flag because you have to always make these
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players pay for that. Because if you don't, then
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they're just going to keep doing it and accept
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that they're only going to get caught sometimes.
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OK, my rebuttal is done. Yeah, I would just say
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you shouldn't have been in the game. And then
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it's my understanding that they're. is kind of
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a fix for this, but it does require the actual
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refs on the field to be competent and see something
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like that. And I understand occasionally stuff
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could get missed. But I also think we should
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look into amending the rule, because we have
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replay assist. As the game's moving fast, it's
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fast enough that it wasn't even brought up on
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the broadcast. It's something that this is pretty
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much top of mind for everyone. Why can't replay
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assist if somebody is in the like somebody like
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us? who might not have seen it real time and
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then is like, oh, wait a second, can't like buzz
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down of the rest, stop play and have them review
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it. They can actually implement it if they could
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revoke it or reinforce it if a flag is thrown.
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But if player safety is like number one, like
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Nick was saying, like if this is a priority,
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then you should be able to implement that after
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the fact. I am betting if a flag is thrown there
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and they review that he's he's he's ejected.
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Yeah. Like literally plays after returning from
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injury and he's adding another. I believe one
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of his automatic ejections came against the Packers
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in the past as well. Yes. I don't remember the
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exact hit. I just remember him being thrown out.
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Just Tucker Kraft. His helmet comes off, but
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he gets up right away. And if Tucker Kraft lays
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on the turf for a little longer. Yeah. Maybe
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a flag gets thrown there, but that should not
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be how things are judged. Right? Yeah, it should
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be an easy thing. You shouldn't have to sell
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having a head injury. Yeah, no, it should be.
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It should be a buzz. The ref, he goes to the
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screen and then he comes on the mic and says
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whatever's been ejected. You know, they can do
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it because you hear like, oh, we got like a whatever
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rapid replay from New York or like whatever they
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call it. Like they do that sometimes. So clearly
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there's like a handful of people in the New York
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office watching all that stuff like The infrastructure
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is there. You have enough money. The technology
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is there. If you really cared about Tucker craft
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getting smashed in the noggin, then you do something
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about it. And they don't. Yeah. And and they
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they say that basically a review in this instance,
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the targeting can be factual. Yeah. Because if
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it's helmet to helmet, then that's it. Right.
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It's not so subjective. So why does a flag have
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to be thrown first? I don't understand it. Like
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if it's something that you can see on a replay
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and say yes or no, not like, hmm, well, hmm,
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like it's yes or no, dude. It's black and white.
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These should be easy. It's like the ball crossing
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the plane. It happened or it didn't happen. Yeah.
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It's, uh, anyway. Agreed. All right. Ready for
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my two minutes. All right. Got your rant. Yeah.
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Um, yeah. Here comes the whistle in three, two.
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All right. So I'm going to rant now about something
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that is a bit subjective and that's roughing
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the passer and Nick already hit on the Brenton
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Cox one, which was abysmal. And we thought it
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couldn't get any worse, but it did in fact somehow
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at least stay just as bad or maybe get actually
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worse when a costly roughing the passer penalty
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was called on Carl Brooks on the Lions game winning
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drive on a third down. And I know, okay. The
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pass was completed anyway. They got a first down,
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but it tacked on 15 yards to a drive that basically
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then set them up at the Packers 40. And then
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they were able to march down, continue to march
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down and not necessarily earn those yards to
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a game winning field goal. Now Carl Brooks hits
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Jared Goff. I wouldn't even say just after he
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releases, I would argue as he releases the football.
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So much so that if he wasn't able to successfully
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complete this pass and it goes to the dirt, I
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wouldn't be convinced that we wouldn't be reviewing
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whether this was a fumble or a forward pass.
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It would have probably been ruled a forward pass,
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but it was such a bang bang play that you could
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argue because the throwing motion wasn't even
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completed. that there's like absolutely no way
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this can be called a penalty. Tom Brady was like
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in hysterics, Dean Blandino, who then came on
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and did his little thing, said it was a teaching
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tape hit on a quarterback. And there was nothing
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else other than the contact on the quarterback
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that made this illegal. He didn't put all of
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his weight on him. I would say he hit him in
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the most delicate way possible in this brutal
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sport when you're trying to make an impact on
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a play. It's it's ridiculous Jared golf could
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basically just turn his head around throw his
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hand up and just get a flag he's just asking
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for a penalty and And they're willing to reward
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it and when the stakes are that high and it's
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that close. I simply don't understand it. It's
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Yeah, I I got nothing else. I don't even need
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the two minutes because I was at a loss for words
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When I saw it, I'm still at a loss for words
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after my 90 seconds or whatever No, you got your
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full two. It was brutal. I mean, like, come on,
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man, we got to do better. Like, yeah. Yeah. I
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don't think the infuriating thing about it is
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like, you know, I mentioned the quote from that
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wasn't the pool report. That was like the mid
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mid midweek clarification on something. But like,
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you know, that it the script is already written
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in terms of the way that these things play out.
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There's a pool report. They defend the call midway
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through the week. If it's a controversial enough
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thing, the league then steps in and issues a
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statement that fully supports the ref and the
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call. And then nothing is done about it. There's
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like, I guess what I want to punctuate this with.
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And there's a lot, obviously, that we haven't
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gotten into. Nobody talked about grounding or
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any of the other things, Nick, that you were
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making your list and checking it twice here before
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we hit record. is, uh, I'm so angry that I just
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lost my train of thought. That's how angry I
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am. Uh, taunting. We didn't talk about taunting.
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I mean, we could have like, there's a whole menu.
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There's like a Denny's menu of terrible calls
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that we could choose from. We're like Mike McCarthy
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looking at our sheet. It's just, and I agree
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with everything that you're saying, Alex. It's
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just that there needs to be consequences. There
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should be consequences for obviously bad calls
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that affect the game and I understand that there's
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union implications for that and contract things
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and like I understand that it's not simple. I
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also understand that being a referee is not simple,
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but there need like players get find coaches
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get find every week refs need to be a finable
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population. They need to get the FedEx envelope
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in the mail just like Matthew Golden does after
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flexing for some reason while the entire Lion's
21:47
team is dancing and whatever they're doing the
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Packers play. Like, I don't know what taunting
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is anymore. All right. We are we are well past
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our allotted two minutes each. Can we talk about
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that just in the context outside of the context
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of refereeing? Just how ridiculous that is and
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how kind of fun it is to be so hated. Because,
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like, I did enjoy how volatile this game was.
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I do enjoy the fact that we have kind of been
22:17
so prominent in this division for so long that
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it's like where everybody like where their Superbowl
22:22
where they're they're like literally losing their
22:23
heads. And so are we. Yeah, that was kind of
22:25
fun. But like the Lions, I'm not taking anything
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away from them. They're a good team. But like,
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dude, come on. Like if I'm a Lions fan, I genuinely
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think I would find it in me to be a little annoyed
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with some of their antics. Yes, I feel the same.
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But also, I've been watching a pretty competitive
22:44
football team for basically my entire life. And
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they have not. And so I would give them some
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grace there. They might be they might be having
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a catharsis in the last, like, handful of years
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of finally being a good team that can do a little
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smack. The fans. Sure. But the players, like,
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why would they? Oh, yeah, that's true. I thought
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you meant the fans. Yeah. Well, no, like the
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fans, I know they're allowed to cheer. I don't
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know if they were taunting. And by all means,
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go for it. But like the players, I mean, it's
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just a bit childish. It feels a little amateur.
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If I like it's I'm going to get roasted a little
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bit for this. But like in a in a vacuum. the
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like when they're all like dancing after the
23:18
penalty, I think objectively funny. I thought
23:21
it was very funny. I also thought it should have
23:24
been a taunting call, but I was. Yeah, honestly.
23:27
Fine. You you earned it even if you didn't earn
23:30
it because the refs helped you earn it. But how
23:33
in the world can you not like throw a flag there
23:36
if Matthew Golden flexes at the air or at the
23:39
crowd? No more flag talk. I wanted to try to
23:46
keep it contained and I did his best best we
23:48
could. I think we did a pretty good job considering
23:50
we could talk for probably an hour about this
23:52
topic. Honestly I know our buddy Tyler Brooke
23:55
did his whole video this week was just on the
23:57
refs in this game and he was debating whether
24:00
or not to do that because it would sound whiny
24:01
and I was like bro that's going to do numbers
24:04
and I think the video is doing well. So there's
24:07
a lot of football. stuff that we can talk about
24:10
here in this game. And the first thing I want
24:11
to hit on. Well, I got my mix up my list here
24:16
because I want to say something positive before
24:18
we talk about some negative things. Sean Ryan
24:22
goes down and was a monk who came in as a backup
24:27
and then he goes down. Sean Ryan, by the way,
24:30
now confirmed as of this morning with a high
24:32
ankle sprain out four to six weeks. John Williams
24:35
comes in a guy who I guess does practice. some
24:38
backup center reps, but has never taken an in
24:41
-game center rep since I believe high school.
24:44
Um, and the first snap he gets just worked and
24:48
I'm like, Oh no, this is, this is Atlanta Falcons
24:51
part two. Let's just go. Idol in the car in the
24:56
parking lot until this game is over because it's
24:59
gonna be you know 40 to 7 or something And he
25:01
does pretty well Alex your your guy who you?
25:05
Enthusiastically drafted and the guy drafted
25:07
believe in the last round after just months of
25:09
crunching tape Yeah, this is why ladies and gentlemen
25:14
if you're away for your fantasy draft or whatever
25:17
it might be, or perhaps you have your own guy
25:19
draft, you set your big board. You got to do
25:21
your autodraft rankings. Because I was very high
25:25
on John Williams, not just because of his prolific
25:29
composing career, the fact that he has been the
25:32
man who has put the soundtrack to so many vital
25:35
movies that we all you know, will cherish forever.
25:40
But because he could also do a bang up job as
25:42
a third string center, uh, in a pretty high stakes
25:45
game. My guy, who would have thought, uh, having
25:49
one of the bigger impacts so far, uh, of the
25:51
guys, uh, this season. Um, yeah, man. And not
25:55
to mention doing it there, uh, extremely difficult.
25:59
And I think that's what made the injuries, um,
26:02
to Ryan and Monk even scarier is like, Nobody
26:05
could hear, you know, like it's a it's a raucous
26:09
crowd and indoors. It just seemed like it had
26:12
disaster written all over it. And you know what?
26:15
You know, he was he was far from the problem,
26:17
I would say. He was definitely not the problem.
26:23
And Glover kind of had a rough day. I believe
26:28
I'm just also on the side hanging out in APC
26:32
Slack and John Mearding pointing this out. I
26:34
believe this is true that With Ryan now sidelined
26:37
for real with an injury that Morgan is the last
26:40
preferred starter that we have our offensive
26:43
line and everyone else is just some guy we didn't
26:46
want or expect to play or Knew was gonna be on
26:49
the team at this point. That's crazy. It's only
26:52
October Yeah, but yeah, that's that's pretty
26:58
that's pretty brutal it was I would say like
27:01
something that Made me a little sad watching
27:04
this game was, you know, the Lions have they've
27:08
put together a good offensive line and the Packers
27:11
struggled to get pressure on golf. And just like.
27:15
I made it a point to watch this sort of like
27:18
to make myself sad by watching the Detroit Lions
27:20
offensive line and to see every every snap, the
27:24
ball comes out, golf backs up, and then there's
27:26
just this big black wall around him. And it was
27:30
like, you know, the Packers got some pressure,
27:31
but it was like watching such a. Average to above
27:36
average offensive line Like do a bang -up job
27:39
at home in this game and just take care of business
27:41
was like man. I just We just won't we'll have
27:45
to we will have to win games without having that
27:49
experience at any point this year and to that
27:52
end it's another game where Jordan love like
27:55
bald out like he's doing the most and If I were
28:01
I don't know I was gonna say if I were him I'd
28:03
be starting to get mad. I don't know. Like this
28:05
is what you signed up for. And I don't know what
28:07
you really do at this point. You brought in Zeitler,
28:09
who you're not playing for some reason. You bought
28:10
in all these other guys. They're trying, but
28:14
like, I'd be mad if I were him. I'm having a
28:16
great year outside of the fact that I'm running
28:19
for my life and taking the most hits and not
28:21
getting a single roughing all oops. It is frustrating
28:29
though. Like Jordan, Jordan has been so awesome.
28:34
And you just see it like you saw with burrow
28:37
for a lot of years too. Like what else, what
28:40
else can you do when you just have to run for
28:43
your life? And I just, it's very frustrating
28:46
from like, from a goot perspective, you, your
28:50
general manager should not be reacting. They
28:52
should be anticipating and it just feels like
28:54
reaction for this offensive line. So what did
28:57
we talk about leading into the season and not
29:00
just us. Packers faithful. Like this offensive
29:03
line scares us and they don't have depth. So
29:05
if the preferred starters go down, I don't know
29:07
what's going to happen. And we're looking at
29:09
it right now. Yep. And then, you know, that of
29:14
course has knock on effects on the run game.
29:17
Josh Jacobs comes back. Uh, it was not fun to
29:22
have to watch him play, but it was interesting
29:24
from a football perspective to see what a starting
29:29
caliber talent. Yeah, do at the running back
29:34
position it really to me rather than talk about
29:38
like his touchdown catch was was a very high
29:40
talent play I'll say for me that it just highlights
29:45
how Marshawn Lloyd is not the guy and They need
29:49
to just They need to cut him already. They need
29:52
he's just we tried it. He's not a very good NFL
29:56
player Pierce Strong's also not very good, but
29:59
he's a third stringer. I think he's you know
30:02
Better. I think he is a blocker. I think he can
30:06
catch a few passes I think he can he can do what
30:09
Marshawn Lloyd Can do and then you I don't know
30:12
what Caleb Johnson is doing in practice to piss
30:15
them off so much or like What he said around
30:18
the building to piss people off. I don't know
30:19
what the issue is Because he can't be having
30:23
been benched just for like the one fumble He's
30:26
not someone who historically has a fumbling problem
30:28
and I'm not saying that he's like one of the
30:31
answers But he's your other guy who can find
30:34
hole, go forward and do so like consistently,
30:38
like an NFL running back. He's not going to have
30:40
80 yards, but he might have 50 yards if he gave
30:45
him the ball enough times. And one of those runs
30:47
is going to be a 22 yard game. And like that's
30:51
better than Marshawn Lloyd. So I just don't know.
30:53
Like this is I'm kind of meandering a little
30:56
bit, but I'm kind of falling back into Nick.
30:58
I think what you were saying with like it's Goody
31:03
thing. It's a self scouting thing. It's just
31:05
like I guess I don't know what they were supposed
31:07
to do, but you go into this year Knowing, you
31:10
know at some point in the summer like you have
31:13
to know we're not gonna have Jacobs for a set
31:15
amount of games and we're gonna have to figure
31:17
this out and just like I don't know. You have
31:21
to know based on practice and training camp how
31:23
good Marshawn Lloyd is. And if even if you don't
31:25
you have to know two or three games in that he's
31:27
not the guy. And I just it's just like when they're
31:30
rotating guys in the offensive line the whole
31:32
thing with Caleb Johnson again I'm not saying
31:34
that he's the answer or that he's a great running
31:36
back but like why is he a healthy scratch. I
31:39
don't understand these decisions. I really don't.
31:41
They do such a bad job this team of pivoting
31:45
early understanding the errors and pivoting.
31:49
And they just hold on longer than they need to.
31:52
And I don't know organizationally where that
31:54
falls. And if it's probably a combination of
31:57
top down and coaching and like believing in your
32:00
guy, there's something to be said about that.
32:02
But when your guy doesn't produce week over week,
32:05
Marshawn Lloyd can't see a hole. And he runs
32:09
and he doesn't have the burst that we all thought
32:12
he did to be able to get outside and make some
32:14
of this like miraculous stuff happen where he
32:16
can compensate for it. That's wild. And for,
32:21
I just, you can, I think I was listening briefly
32:23
to, um, green 19 podcast and, um, spoon and Ryan
32:29
would, we're kind of debating like, Oh, I think
32:31
maybe in this role, like Marshawn Lloyd kid,
32:34
this is what Ryan would be saying. I'm not ready
32:36
to give up on them. And spoons like, what are
32:37
you, what do you see at this point? And I agree
32:39
with spoon. Like there's give up. Like maybe
32:43
a resurgence happens later in a career or later
32:47
in a season if. He takes a step back and he's
32:50
in a very, very supporting role, but he cannot
32:52
be your number two right now. I there's something,
32:55
something that the scouting either doesn't see
32:59
or season is not willing to accept is going to
33:01
be a detriment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead.
33:06
It's, it's weird too. Uh, for them to be so,
33:10
uh, you know, I guess bullish with trying to
33:14
make him work out. considering his injuries as
33:16
well, because like that, and in a way, he's like
33:19
one of these players who's like, bolstered by
33:21
injury, like the fact that he's been hurt so
33:23
much has kept him in the like, not in the league,
33:26
let's say, but on the Packers so much longer,
33:28
because there's always that element of like,
33:29
well, if he's healthy, when he's healthy, but
33:31
like, I do think we've truly seen enough now.
33:35
So I yeah, I'm struggling to think of another
33:38
example for the Packers who is a player that
33:43
they We're so slow to get rid of who also has
33:47
a pretty significant injury history already Yeah,
33:51
that feels like an easy one, you know, like we
33:53
usually get rid of guys who are chronically injured
33:55
pretty quickly Yeah, I'll say one thing one put
33:58
a cap on the the running back talk Nick I also
34:02
listened to some green 19 recently and something
34:05
that they've been, I think, as Ryan would especially
34:07
been harping on is like, boy, this team sure
34:09
could use Emanuel Wilson right now. And I just
34:11
want to I would like to put that to bed and just
34:14
like refresh everyone's memory. You know, it's
34:17
it's one thing to watch Emanuel Wilson have like
34:21
be competent on a different team behind a solid
34:26
offensive line. And it's another thing to imagine
34:30
Emanuel Wilson. Imagine Emanuel Wilson from last
34:33
year. But now playing on a team with an even
34:36
worse more banged up offensive line because he
34:39
is also a player who is blind And so I just want
34:40
to like I want to put that to bed as well. Just
34:43
like it wouldn't be any better so I don't know
34:47
what the what the options were and I want to
34:51
scrutinize Goot and the rest of the front office
34:54
for the decisions that went into like how the
34:56
roster shook out this year But I also like I
34:59
want to give him pass on Emmanuel Wilson, that
35:01
made sense to move on. And I don't think Emmanuel
35:03
Wilson is saving this running game. I don't even
35:05
think he's improving it. I mean, Josh Jacobs
35:07
came in and the team still had, I believe, under
35:11
70 rushing yards. I'll have to double check that.
35:15
Let's see. Thirty six, twenty and four. Oh, that
35:18
is rough. Fifty twenty one sixty or sixty yards,
35:24
I believe. Yeah. Cool. Public school math done
35:29
right there. Sixty yards. I got it. Nailed it.
35:34
All right, fellas. Trace Mac. I just say I don't
35:39
even have it's just on my list. Trace Mac. I
35:41
have no point after that. You just punctuated
35:43
there. We all we all know that this can't not
35:47
be an issue year over year. I don't know what
35:52
to I don't know. Being looking at the lingering
35:55
camera shot of him on the sidelines, just looking
35:58
dead inside. It hurts my feelings for him a little
36:02
bit. But what in the world? What is what is it
36:08
that we? What is this curse? Yeah, the thing
36:12
that I worry about and I just want to pull back
36:15
for one second and talking directly to the listeners
36:19
I'm trying to steer us in positive directions.
36:22
I don't want this to be an all -negative podcast
36:24
because the Packers still have like a pretty
36:27
competitive team in a messy NFC and they are
36:31
still like in the playoff hunt from a percentage
36:34
perspective. And there's a lot of football left,
36:36
but it's just hard not to think about the negative
36:38
things in this game. Okay, we're back. Trace
36:42
Mac thinking about. So one of the misses, he
36:45
like dragged his foot on the turf, which is to
36:48
me, that's like a, that's an indication of like
36:52
you're in your head because you're not, that's,
36:55
you're not doing your, you've got like a, your
36:58
kicker kickers are kind of crazy people. They
37:00
have their like exact set movement. their routine
37:03
it's all like it basically never changes it only
37:07
changes if something is going wrong or if you're
37:10
in your head and you're thinking too much and
37:12
it becomes more than just a mechanical movement
37:14
so that is worrying to me the fact that he dragged
37:16
his foot and the second one I believe was tipped
37:20
yeah so I'm inclined to go easier on him for
37:24
that but and I also want to say I believe again
37:29
peel back the curtain to the To the APC slack
37:34
chat, but our buddy dusty evilly is is working
37:36
on a theory about our long snapper being part
37:40
of the part of the problem, I don't know enough
37:44
to Say whether or not I agree with that and I
37:48
don't know how you measure it So I'm looking
37:49
forward to hearing more about that theory Primarily
37:54
because trace Mac is my guy who I tried to in
37:56
the guy draft and I would like we don't have
37:58
a very good track record of now guy draft kickers
38:02
on this on this podcast. There could be, there
38:05
could be mechanics that we don't understand.
38:07
I'd be curious to see what, what the, what the,
38:11
um, I don't know what the findings are, but I
38:14
say, what's this curse? It could be a systemic
38:16
thing that, that leads to as my cat almost falls
38:21
off this cat tree behind me. Um, it could be,
38:25
it could be a full, like, I don't know, maybe
38:31
that maybe what does justice always talk about?
38:34
Um, LaFleur not wanting his offensive guys being
38:36
played on special teams. So there could be people
38:40
that aren't blocking in the right position. And,
38:43
um, and I don't, it creates more of a, more of
38:46
a hurried situation for smack or kickers in the
38:49
past, but it is, it does feel like a curse. Yeah.
38:54
Um, all right. Really quickly before we throw
38:58
it to break and, uh, nurse nurse ourselves back
39:03
to help with some gambling here. Let's just do
39:06
a vibe check because Again, I peel back the curtain
39:11
earlier mentioned. I don't want this to be a
39:13
totally negative podcast I'd like to offer up
39:16
that like I still don't I still feel pretty good
39:19
about this Packers team on balance. I want to
39:22
punctuate it by saying that This was just like
39:25
it's a division game. The Lions players are particularly
39:29
salty the refs got in the way and so it's just
39:32
it's hard not to come off of a game like this
39:34
where You know if smack makes a another field
39:37
goal or two or if you know one of those penalties
39:40
goes the other way then or if a receiver doesn't
39:43
drop a pass another thing we haven't even really
39:45
talked about this week Jordan love with the most
39:49
drop passes in like his tenure and in like across
39:52
the league by a wide margin if that stuff doesn't
39:56
happen then you know maybe maybe the Packers
39:58
win this game it was an imminently winnable game
40:00
we were we were chatting back and forth in the
40:02
fourth quarter with like all of the BS going
40:05
on in this game like they were still a player
40:07
two away from winning this game and it came down
40:10
to a game winning field goal. And I don't know
40:14
the Lions are a good team. The Bears are a good
40:16
team. The Packers are a good team. The Falcons
40:19
who we were so down to the dumps about getting
40:21
embarrassed by they just beat the 49ers. They've
40:23
been on a tear. They've scored like a hundred
40:26
points in the last four like the NFC is weird
40:30
and muddy and messy. And the Packers have obvious
40:34
flaws as they do every year, as most teams do
40:38
every year. But I still feel pretty good about
40:43
them. They're going to have a good chance of
40:48
making big plays and scoring points every week.
40:50
And then they have a defense that will keep them
40:52
in games. And it'll be entertaining every week.
40:55
And again, going back to the immediate aftermath
40:58
of the Falcons game, if you'd have told me our
41:01
record at this point, then and kind of how these
41:03
games are going. I'd been I'd take that every
41:05
time and be like, OK, this is a team that's still
41:08
providing me with entertainment value on Sunday
41:10
and has a chance at the playoffs. Are they a
41:13
Super Bowl team? No, probably not. But I think
41:16
the vibes are still pretty good. I'm feeling
41:19
like, I don't know, a seven and part of that
41:24
and not just seven like, oh, they're going to
41:26
go far. It's just seven in terms of like, I think
41:30
there's talent. They're going to score points.
41:32
They're going to entertain me. I'm happy with
41:35
that this year. I don't know what you guys think.
41:36
Alex, you're nodding. Yeah, I agree. I think
41:39
still overwhelmingly the takeaway from the Lions
41:44
game is should be pretty positive. Defense was
41:48
able to create turnovers. That's good. They were
41:51
able to hold the Lions who are very good offense
41:56
to 20 points on the road. So we won the turnover
42:02
battle, which is huge. We turned the ball over
42:04
once, doesn't even count. It was a Jordan Love
42:06
second, the Matt LaFleur rage call part two,
42:10
which ended up basically, yeah, an arm punt.
42:13
So don't even care. So for everything that went
42:16
wrong, bad injury luck, borderline criminal officiating
42:21
that needs investigating, a couple drops that
42:26
would have really changed the makeup of the game.
42:29
It was still winnable. Like we kept finding a
42:32
way to still have a chance to win the game. And
42:35
then the referees kept trying, finding a way,
42:37
sorry, you can blow it again, to take it away
42:40
from us. So yeah, I feel good. I think, yeah,
42:45
the NFC is deep. This is how it's going to be.
42:47
We're going to get players back. We just got
42:50
one back that we don't feel good about feeling
42:53
good about, but objectively he improves the team.
42:59
I don't really want to spend too much time talking
43:01
about him, but we could just say we are going
43:03
to be harder to play against with him than without
43:06
him, even if whatever. Yeah, I'm all right, man.
43:13
All right. I would have loved to have the division
43:14
game. Yeah. Onto the next move on. We'll beat
43:18
him in our own building. That's kind of how I
43:21
feel. We're on to Carolina. Nick, give me a vibe
43:24
check. Yeah, I feel this sort of the same way
43:27
as both of you guys I kind of measure my vibes
43:32
or my fight with that The threshold of how much
43:38
anger do I have versus how much like complacency
43:41
or defeat am I? I don't know that sort of sits
43:46
inside of me and the fact that I do have this
43:50
Angry fight I can explain how we got to certain
43:55
points in the game. And if this goes wrong, it
43:57
means the team's competitive competitive enough
44:00
to, um, you know, compete in the NFC, make a
44:04
run. Like they could do a little something in
44:06
the playoffs based on the talent that they have
44:08
based on being able to get some players back.
44:12
The offensive line is still going to be scary.
44:14
Defensive line is also scary. Linebackers not
44:18
having the two preferred starters. Like they
44:20
got hit with some terrible injury luck, but they're
44:22
still competing in ways that if Jordan love can
44:25
stay upright and some of these calls come back,
44:30
I don't regress to the mean a little bit. The
44:33
team can still compete. So that was frustrating.
44:36
The Packers have a couple of these games every
44:38
single year where you're like, it was right there
44:40
in your grasps. Um, so I just feel better than
44:45
I did after that Falcons game where it didn't
44:47
look like they were going to go out and try to
44:49
correct the offensive line. And it just sort
44:50
of felt like they were like, The season could
44:52
very easily spiral. I don't I don't see that
44:55
happening this year They'll they'll be in the
44:57
mix throughout the remainder of the season unless
44:58
something catastrophic happens after that Falcons
45:01
game I remember thinking just like sitting there
45:04
on my couch watching the end of that game and
45:05
I was like I don't know if this team Wins four
45:08
more games this year, and then they won three
45:11
There's there's winnable games out there cool,
45:17
I think we I think we all feel Pretty positive
45:23
It's just that it's a tone of negativity because
45:26
that game was like it was just emotionally a
45:31
Hard a hard watch and then you know again reps
45:34
are getting in the way Some money just hit one
45:37
of their bank accounts. That's weird I'm kidding
45:42
of course All right, let's let's move on let's
45:46
turn the page let's take a break and when we
45:48
come back again We're going to gamble. All right.
46:03
We are back. We are out on the corner, dodging
46:09
traffic. I feel like I'm seeing referees everywhere.
46:16
Everywhere I look just past a foot locker, getting
46:20
PTSD. Just dress up like a wreck for Halloween
46:25
this year. All right. We duck into the duck into
46:30
the alley and let's look at the bloodbath that
46:33
was last week. And Alex, you We're on paternity
46:39
leave so you don't have any bets here and We
46:43
we haven't fully adjudicated this but either
46:45
we'll give you because we all had the same bats
46:47
We'll either give you the same or We'll just
46:50
let you take the week off and then you will gain
46:52
like one percentage point. We can we can take
46:55
that question off air But let's look at last
47:02
week's bet Jamir Gibbs two plus touchdowns Nick
47:07
you and I and Tex said yes That's the first toilet
47:11
flush zero touchdowns actually Matthew golden
47:18
anytime touchdown. We all said yes as money down
47:21
the toilet Jordan love two plus passing touchdowns
47:30
a little bit of coin back in our pocket Wouldn't
47:34
happened if not for Josh Jacobs I mean you just
47:38
got a you have to acknowledge that that was kind
47:41
of an incredible play that Marshawn Lloyd's not
47:45
making that play, Piers Brown's not making that
47:47
play. No. Just one of those things that you're
47:51
watching. It's interesting. It's like one of
47:53
the first times where I've had the experience
47:55
on my team where I'm watching it and I'm like,
47:58
oh, you fucker. I hate you. Someone scores a
48:02
touchdown. I'm like, yes, no, damn it. I hate
48:05
this. Alright Matthew Golden a little parlay
48:10
Matthew Golden Christian Watson 60 plus receiving
48:12
yards. That is money down the toilet Break all
48:17
around. Yeah, really weird then let's see Think
48:21
oh, yeah, we got Christian Watson 57 Josh Jacobs
48:24
55 Matthew Golden only had 39 six catches 39
48:30
yards I'm on raw st. Brown over under 78 .5 yards.
48:36
We all took the under Uh, which is money down
48:39
the toilet though, in our defense, the Packers
48:42
have historically done a pretty good job. There's
48:44
a kickback of, uh, bottling up. I'm on raw St.
48:49
Brown. I believe I kind of steered us in that
48:51
direction. So that's my bad. Well, we all talked
48:54
about how it could happen and it happened exactly
48:56
the way that we thought. Like car working the
48:59
middle of the field, carving up a zone didn't
49:01
get enough pressure on golf. And that's what
49:03
that's. That's the recipe. You can sit down in
49:05
those zones of golf. Golf can pick you apart
49:07
if you give them time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But OK,
49:10
in a weird way, is there is there any part of
49:16
you that's like wondering if it was it was a
49:20
conscious decision to be like, OK, he can get
49:22
his if we limit Gibbs, like the tilt of the game
49:27
is not going to be because I can't think of a
49:31
more let me put it a different way. I feel like
49:36
a nine -catch, 153 -yard performance should really,
49:41
really impact the game significantly more than
49:46
I felt like Amon Ra did. I don't know if I'm
49:49
just being bitter because... No, I think you're
49:51
right. I hate him for hating the Packers so much,
49:54
making it his whole identity that he doesn't
49:56
like us, kind of like Ben Johnson. Cool. Just
50:00
like, dude, all right. Uh, you know, we, we bottled
50:04
up Gibbs and should have won the game. So go
50:07
ahead. Um, had your stats really? Yeah. Gannon
50:10
made the Gannon made the decision to allow to
50:16
get carved up a little bit in that zone defense,
50:18
because especially with their linebackers, like
50:21
we were texting about this during the game too.
50:23
You could really feel the starting linebackers
50:26
out of that game based on the way they were dropping
50:29
back in coverage and just like not. not feeling
50:31
as comfortable out there, but it was, it was
50:34
part of the game plan. It could, it truly almost
50:36
worked. We got saved by a couple, um, a couple
50:40
timely fumbles that sort of fell into our lab.
50:45
Anyway. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, uh, you know,
50:51
Alex, you said this earlier, but the lines are
50:53
explosive offense. We held them to 20 points
50:55
in their building. Um, so I think that, I think
50:59
it's a good, guess that there was a trade off
51:01
being made there. And I would say that it worked.
51:03
You know, you. Yeah. This Packers offense, you
51:06
expect them to score 21 points in a game and
51:09
the type of damage that golf can do. And now
51:11
I'm getting really positive, I think is further
51:14
limited when you have Micah back, who's a game
51:17
wrecker who could get to him quickly and you
51:19
don't have to necessarily send guys. Yeah, that
51:21
was really the they really missed him in this
51:24
game. Like this is a game I think he could have
51:26
impacted greatly. So, you know, there's reason
51:29
to think. Our ceiling is higher than what we've
51:33
reached so far this season. That's for sure.
51:37
And then one last bet on the on the table here.
51:40
Game total score over under fifty two point five.
51:44
We all took the over second week in a row where
51:49
it's supposed to be a shootout and it's just
51:51
not. So I will not be betting for the shootout
51:56
again anytime soon. This one was funky, though.
52:00
What was the I what was the conversion rate in
52:02
the red zone? It was something atrocious for
52:04
both teams. I think. Yeah. Yeah. For both. Yeah.
52:07
Yeah. It was a it was a weird game. Points were
52:09
points were afoot many times in this game and
52:12
did not happen. It's one of those games. Yeah.
52:14
All right. Let's take a look at the slate this
52:17
week. Thursday Night Football Panthers. I believe
52:24
it's a it's a Lambo, right? Yeah, it's a home
52:25
game. It is. All right, what do we got on the
52:29
board Nick? I think you put these first ones
52:31
on here No, I did. Yeah, I put it just to right
52:34
off the bat. And this is one of those like remade
52:39
Yes, or no things that they put together for
52:43
you at least on on fan dual But I found it odd
52:46
that you could get Christian Watson to record
52:48
25 or more receiving yards in each half at plus
52:53
135 His catches typically tend to be around that
52:59
length, I feel like. So I want to go ahead and
53:01
say yes. I think that he can accumulate 25 yards
53:06
in the first half and 25 yards in the second
53:08
half. He better. And I thought that would be
53:11
like minus 150 or something, but plus 135 decent
53:14
value pick. So I'm saying yes on that. I'm saying
53:19
yes to. Nice. I'm going to say yes. I'm going
53:26
to say yes as well. I do want to call out. The
53:31
Panthers have a pretty good pass defense Just
53:35
in just in yards per game allowed. I believe
53:37
they're ranked six. They're averaging one ninety
53:40
five point seven That's pretty low I didn't take
53:45
a look at their schedule to see who else they've
53:46
played but I'm still gonna say yes, just cuz
53:52
you know Watson even in this game is is probably
53:56
that's that's hitting Yeah Alex, to your point,
54:00
surprised we can get plus 135 there. OK. Yeah.
54:03
What's next? And I also nominated over under
54:06
21 and a half completions for Jordan Love. Now,
54:10
the Panthers are a pretty bad run defense, so
54:14
I wouldn't be surprised if we maybe have one
54:17
of our better rushing performances so far this
54:21
season. But when in doubt. Assume that the Packers
54:25
run game is short passing that makes easy completions
54:29
Yeah, I just I'm gonna go over 21 and a half
54:34
He's gonna have 22 completions in this game I
54:37
think and Josh Jacobs has also been like their
54:40
most useful pass sketching running back as well
54:42
So in addition to being their best overall on
54:44
the back, I think that opens up a lot of things
54:47
For us as well to you know get small chunks of
54:52
yards when we otherwise might not with Marshawn
54:54
Lloyd. That was a point I was going to make too,
54:57
that their intermediate passing game wheel route
55:01
stuff over the middle to Jacobs has sort of become
55:04
their, their run game. And I think Panthers are
55:09
like right middle of the packed DVO way this
55:12
season against the pass. So not, not too high,
55:14
not too low on either side though. I don't think
55:17
that impacts their game plan very much. Yeah.
55:22
Yeah Wow ranked 32nd dead last in rushing defense
55:26
in terms of yards allowed per game a hundred
55:28
and fifty three point two Well, if I will eat
55:33
an article of my own clothing if the Packers
55:34
get over a hundred and fifty rushing Yeah, I
55:39
wonder if just like being that bad Sets up the
55:43
pass enough to do some damage. Yeah, I would
55:45
like to hope so. Yeah All right next up on the
55:49
list Hey, a little, a little combo here to stack
55:52
on our usual. Yeah. They, the books have wised
55:56
up a little bit to just Jordan love two plus
55:59
passing touchdowns being even money. I think
56:02
it was like minus one 70 or something. So I tacked
56:06
on two touchdowns plus Jordan love to throw for
56:10
250 or more passing yards to get it to, um, above
56:16
even money at plus one 16. I. I think for reasons
56:22
we've been talking about, he continues to to
56:25
huck it. He can get big chunks of yards. I don't
56:28
know what is it. I don't know what is a dot is
56:29
this year. We should look that up. It's got to
56:31
be pretty impressive. They've been they check
56:33
it down a little bit, but they their explosives
56:35
are have been really fun. And Jordan doesn't
56:39
he's been accurate with it and he doesn't care
56:41
about, I don't know, playing it too safe. Yeah.
56:47
If you believe the A .I. overview is. 9 .5 yards
56:52
a dot, which ranks sixth in the league. Pretty
56:58
good. Pretty good. Yeah. For yeah, it's consistent
57:03
with the narrative. I feel like I've already
57:05
built with some of the previous nominations.
57:07
So I will also say yes to this 250 and two touchdowns.
57:14
I'm going to say yes as well. I was hesitant
57:17
on this one. I was going to say no. I know we
57:19
don't like to always agree on everything. But
57:22
just looking at the game logs here for Jordan
57:26
Love for this season, I mean, he's only not broken
57:30
at least 270, 273 actually two times. And one
57:37
was the Jets and that was just a hot mess. Rain
57:42
game rainy gross. Yeah, and the other one was
57:44
the Buccaneers, which was a hot mess super hot
57:47
game Which I believe also had some rain in it
57:50
And other than that think back to any of these
57:54
games and any struggles they might have had he's
57:56
still You know 274 276 367 312 like I think it's
58:02
happening. So I'm gonna vote. Yes as well All
58:08
right. What's next on the list here? so Talked
58:13
about obvious guy last week Panthers sort of
58:16
have their own obvious guy. And unfortunately,
58:20
I think they're teams can sort of, I don't know,
58:25
use a, use a specific game plan. Ted is a very
58:28
different receiver than almond raw is, but, um,
58:32
you work Ted across the middle a little bit.
58:35
And if they're not getting sufficient pass rush,
58:40
I've nominated Ted McMillan over under fit 75
58:43
.5 receiving yards. Um, it's going to require
58:46
spamming one guy. They just don't have, they've
58:48
got Coker and they've got Waller, but Ted really
58:51
is the, the, um, the thing that moves the needle
58:54
for them in the passing game. And I think if
58:57
they want to spam Ted over and over again, they
59:00
sort of have a recipe for it, which is just.
59:04
If Gannon's going to give you that. Easy stuff
59:08
over the middle and try to take away Chuba Hubbard
59:10
who's had a pretty good year. Um, on the ground,
59:13
I, I could see it going that way again. Yeah.
59:18
Uh, agreed. You know, he's going to get the targets
59:20
for it. Um, I, I, uh, we'll go over, um, on this
59:25
one. I was, uh, just looking up how to say his
59:30
actual full name. Yeah. Tati Roa, I believe.
59:36
Um, who shoot, man. Yeah, I'm sorry bad audio.
59:47
I'm also just looking at his game logs. I'm gonna
59:49
go over as well. I think I think similar to the
59:56
Lions game. This is one where you're gonna you're
59:58
just gonna allow the targets to hit to that obvious
1:00:02
guy and focus on other things and Assume you
1:00:05
can your defense can keep the team to between
1:00:08
17 and 21 points and and that hopefully that'll
1:00:11
be enough so I'm gonna take the over as well
1:00:13
and Ooh, I see the last one on here. Trace Mack
1:00:18
negativity. Who put this on here? I did. And
1:00:21
I made it up. And I, I didn't, I don't mean it.
1:00:24
I, I don't mean it to be negative. I just meant
1:00:26
it to spur conversation because I didn't know
1:00:28
what, at what point in the pod we were going
1:00:30
to talk about trace Mack. But I mean, at some
1:00:33
point you got to start having the conversation
1:00:36
of if he's going to miss a kick every single
1:00:38
week, how much longer is he going to remain on
1:00:40
the roster? I know we've invested draft capital
1:00:42
in him, but. that bet that I made up and nominated
1:00:45
was Trace Mack misses a fuel goal or a PAT. Yes
1:00:49
or no. I'm saying yes. Oh, man. You're like,
1:00:54
if he's going to miss a kick every week, I should
1:00:55
at least be able to make some money. Yeah, seriously.
1:01:00
I put no. And I was saying that with the rationale
1:01:05
that I feel like we might not. You know put him
1:01:09
in as many situations to kick field goals, but
1:01:12
their extra point is on there as well And that's
1:01:15
not beyond him to miss one of those. Yeah But
1:01:18
I will say no, I think I also could see a scenario
1:01:21
where You know, we're at home. I Hopefully our
1:01:26
offense is in rhythm. We could be aggressive
1:01:28
Yeah, I'll just say no I almost I'd be curious
1:01:34
to see how many attempts and how differently
1:01:36
we may approach situations where we're in field
1:01:40
goal range and it's fourth and medium. I mean,
1:01:42
we're pretty aggressive with that anyway, honestly,
1:01:46
to begin with. So I don't know how much more
1:01:47
aggressive we could be, but it might just be
1:01:50
a situation where Matt's like, all right, I'm
1:01:52
done with this. Because it doesn't feel like
1:01:55
he's done a lot in the way of trying to build
1:01:58
up his confidence. Maybe this is the week though.
1:02:01
I don't know. Yeah, that's true. It could backfire.
1:02:04
But anyway, I'll say no. I'm also gonna say no
1:02:10
and I think it's because I Don't want to say
1:02:16
yes. I don't want it to be true. I just feel
1:02:18
something positive. Yeah this game It's at home
1:02:23
He has had solid games and not just games where
1:02:28
you're like grating your teeth and like, oh can
1:02:30
we do just like good? He's had good games. He's
1:02:33
also had bad games Think it's a bounce back and
1:02:38
I need it to be emotionally physically So so
1:02:46
yeah, I'm gonna say now but Nick you are you're
1:02:48
saying yes, I'm saying yes I I think there I
1:02:51
mean that a lot of different scenarios can be
1:02:54
painted AP Not putting him in so many spots to
1:02:59
even attempt is one certain thing But if this
1:03:01
game gets I don't know if it gets a little lopsided
1:03:04
hope specifically if the Packers get up, which
1:03:07
would be an incredible situation, if they get
1:03:09
up by a decent amount, I think they really do
1:03:11
try to get some confidence back in him and maybe
1:03:13
kick a field goal in spots where they might go
1:03:15
for it. But I also feel, it's funny how I feel
1:03:20
more confident with Trace Matt kicking a 60 yard
1:03:22
field goal than I do with him kicking a 30 yard
1:03:24
field goal. I don't know if it's just like expectations
1:03:27
or yeah, but. Unfortunately, I just think that's
1:03:34
a man who's in his head right now. I mean, and
1:03:36
on a short, on a short week, I don't know if
1:03:40
he's going to be able to find it, find his confidence.
1:03:45
So yeah, I'll give me, give me a couple of solid
1:03:50
weeks that I can count on you back to back. Otherwise
1:03:55
I'm, I don't have trust. And I don't have trust.
1:03:59
He missed his 26 yarder. That's crazy. Yeah.
1:04:01
Yeah. You are not saying anything unreasonable,
1:04:03
my friend. Yeah. Everything you're saying is
1:04:07
very fair. I just again, emotionally would like
1:04:11
it to go the other way. So I'm not betting real
1:04:15
money. I just that's that's where that's where
1:04:18
that's where my heart is right now. I'm clinging
1:04:21
to what little I have to cling to in these. in
1:04:26
these trying times. All right, guys, I think
1:04:28
with that we can finally put a bow on this one.
1:04:34
I'm going to hit the poker and quick pick them.
1:04:38
Shout out. Brian Polikowski continues pulling
1:04:43
away in first place. I believe he has a forty
1:04:45
four point lead at this point. Simon in second
1:04:49
place, Blake in third place, kind of a distant
1:04:53
third. Brian's really pulling away here. Um,
1:04:58
believe I'm still in the top 10, which I cannot
1:05:01
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1:05:37
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1:05:42
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1:05:46
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