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2053 - Pop and Bravo with Gibson Johns · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday, and you
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  Speaker 1: know what that means. We're going to talk about things
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  Speaker 1: in pop culture, babe, but mostly we're going to talk Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: I've got my friends here, Gibson, John's of gabbing with
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  Speaker 1: gibb an expert, I might say on Bravo, how are
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  Speaker 1: you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well, how are you? Thanks for I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: to be back on the Pink Shade.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now listen, We've got lots to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we do. There's a lot going on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Now. Number one, I'm not a summer house girly,
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  Speaker 1: but I am following the drama.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I did get a note on Spotify that I need
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  Speaker 1: to stop talking about it if I don't watch the show,
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  Speaker 1: but I disagree.
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  Speaker 2: What's it like following it not watching the show? That's
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  Speaker 2: an interesting experience.
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  Speaker 1: It is because I have such a strong feeling that like,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle is the victim, only because I know the dynamics.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so he was runs with this
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  Speaker 1: guy they were getting into. But people are like, you're
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  Speaker 1: completely wrong because he's an asshole.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, well here's the thing two
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  Speaker 2: things gonna be true at once. You know, like Kyle
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  Speaker 2: has mistreated Amanda through a lot of their relations He's
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  Speaker 2: he's been a bad husband and boyfriend to her over
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  Speaker 2: the year.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, But.
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  Speaker 2: Also I think as we're seeing, especially watching the rest
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  Speaker 2: this you know, back half of the season, through a
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  Speaker 2: different lens, knowing what we know about Amanda and West,
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  Speaker 2: it has reframed some of how are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: how I think she has also contributed to the fracture
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  Speaker 2: and fallout of their relationship. You know, she might not
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  Speaker 2: have done as many sort of big glaring things, but
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  Speaker 2: especially in you know, this season, maybe last season, like
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  Speaker 2: she she's not she's not helping the situation, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: but I only excuses how he has treated her. But
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  Speaker 2: there's there's a mutual contribution to downfall of their relationship,
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  Speaker 2: I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So they were mutually responsible for you know, the
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  Speaker 1: getting separated, getting divorced, Yeah, in different ways. But then
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  Speaker 1: she took it to the next level by hooking up
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  Speaker 1: with this guy that was her husband's friend and also
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  Speaker 1: her one of her very close friend's ex boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yes, And to me, like the bigger betrayals
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  Speaker 2: here are about friendship. Like I think that's why I
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  Speaker 2: I agree that Kyle is a victim in this, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that Sierra is the bigger victim in this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, now, because then you see the other side
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  Speaker 1: and again because I know, I don't know, and you
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  Speaker 1: see the other side where people say, yeah, she only
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  Speaker 1: dated him for three months, it was like two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and who cares.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's coming out now that they were also
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  Speaker 2: sort of hooking up this fall. I saw that this
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  Speaker 2: morning and so and I had heard that, but Bravo
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  Speaker 2: and Cocktails put it out this morning. Because next week's
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  Speaker 2: finale we see them making out that they yeah Era
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  Speaker 2: in West Yeah, that was in the preview for the
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  Speaker 2: next week's episode. And so it goes beyond just like
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  Speaker 2: becoming flirty friends again, like they start getting physical again,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not so.
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  Speaker 1: That changes everything that changes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that argument that it was you know, a
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  Speaker 2: stale three year old you know whatever, it kind of
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  Speaker 2: goes out the window.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, back in now, Sierra is the bigger victim.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: You can then, Wow, Well, I am going to watch
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  Speaker 1: the reunion because you should.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the TV event of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, because sometimes when you watch a reunion,
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  Speaker 1: even if like sometimes I dip out of a season,
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  Speaker 1: like I kind of did this last year with Potomac.
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  Speaker 1: I just wasn't into it, and I dipped out of
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  Speaker 1: the season, and then I got back in at the reunion,
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  Speaker 1: and so sometimes I.
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  Speaker 2: Do to get the recap'st the recap and see how
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  Speaker 2: we are going to seat up for the next year.
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  Speaker 2: I totally got that. I'm a complaint. I'm like an
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  Speaker 2: annoy a complete list, Like I have to watch all
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  Speaker 2: of it for like my own, you know, mental state.
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  Speaker 2: But like I understand tapping out and tapping back in
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  Speaker 2: for the reunion. I think it's a good way to
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  Speaker 2: do it if it's not working for you.
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  Speaker 1: Now you posted that you yourself were on somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, I went to Lindsay's housewarming, which was
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  Speaker 2: filmed for the show, and so I was hiding in
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  Speaker 2: the background for that, not like or anything that was
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  Speaker 2: in August, okay, on a Friday, and yeah, I was
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  Speaker 2: sort of like huddled huddled in with like the non
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  Speaker 2: show people basically who were invited, And I really it's
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  Speaker 2: fascinating watching them film the show. You know, whenever I've
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  Speaker 2: had opportunities to be at film events on various shows
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  Speaker 2: over the years, that's what I'm really watching. Like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not really watching like trying to read their lips and
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  Speaker 2: hear what they're talking about. It's more like, Okay, how
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  Speaker 2: are the cameras moving around? Like the producer sort of
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  Speaker 2: with their their you know, ear pieces, and they're they're
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  Speaker 2: talking to each other, and some of them have like
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  Speaker 2: little iPads where they can watch what's happening in real time,
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  Speaker 2: like it's it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this looks interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Run over there, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or they'll like tap one of them on the shoulder
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  Speaker 2: and be like, you know, they're probably being like go
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  Speaker 2: talk to this person or whatever, or you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: only so many cameras and they're probably in a party
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  Speaker 2: setting like that. There's a lot of conversations happening in
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  Speaker 2: little groups, and so there's somebody listening as you know,
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  Speaker 2: it could be in the other room even being like
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  Speaker 2: like trying to hear all of the different microphones and
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  Speaker 2: like if there's not a camera on, Sabrina and Amanda
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  Speaker 2: talking about whatever there and they're they're starting to talk
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  Speaker 2: about something interesting. Then you'll see the camp they're probably
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  Speaker 2: tipped off by somebody listening and the cameras running over
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  Speaker 2: to them to like try to film it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I nerd out on that kind of on that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why you see a lot on Our Housewives
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  Speaker 1: and stuff where it's like, can I talk to you
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  Speaker 1: for a second over here, because they're like, if we
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  Speaker 1: can get just the microphones isolated over here, then and
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  Speaker 1: then probably at the same time, something else could be
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  Speaker 1: happening over here, like the Ladies of London this season,
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  Speaker 1: we saw when Kimmy and miss A had that argument
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  Speaker 1: and Margo went and jumped in, but then you kept
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  Speaker 1: panning over to Martha and Mark Brance's going, oh, how dreadful?
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly, Yeah. I love that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. Yeah, So that was like the most interesting
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  Speaker 2: part of being at that because also like at that point,
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  Speaker 2: like they'd been filming the season for two months or
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  Speaker 2: like over a month or so month and a half maybe,
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  Speaker 2: and so like I have no idea what but like
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  Speaker 2: is going on in the season or what the drama
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  Speaker 2: is or anything. So even trying to like pay attention
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  Speaker 2: to that it's kind of silly because I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the lead up has been, you know, So I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't there to get the tea. I was just more
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  Speaker 2: there to like experience it.
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  Speaker 1: That's really cool, that's really cool. Well, well, so why
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  Speaker 1: and again, don't come at me, I understand I don't
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  Speaker 1: watch Summerhouse people. My question is, if it's Lindsey's housewarming,
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  Speaker 1: why wasn't that film for in the City because she
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  Speaker 1: bought herself her own beach house.
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  Speaker 2: No, this was her big new apartment in New York City, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: And essentially this is the current season of season ten
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  Speaker 2: of Summerhouse, and really what they viewed that at it
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  Speaker 2: was like the transitional season for the show and for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the OG cast members. And so this
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  Speaker 2: is Lindsay still had to be on the show because
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  Speaker 2: in the City, in the in the context of this
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  Speaker 2: show right now, Summerhouse in the City, that doesn't exist yet.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to exist once they do the sort of
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  Speaker 2: seamless transition from the Summerhouse finale in the City premiere,
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  Speaker 2: then it will exist. And that's where Lindsay, I think,
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  Speaker 2: will graduate into. I think the idea was for Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Amanda Lindsay to transition out of Summerhouse after this season,
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  Speaker 2: so they had to still have Lindsay around like also,
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  Speaker 2: and also she moves for she moves story forward really
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  Speaker 2: well for this group. She'll come in every few weekends
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  Speaker 2: and get it pop in and like get stuff out
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  Speaker 2: in the open. That's what happened this week. That's why
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  Speaker 2: Kyle and Carl started fighting and she got something activated.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think the idea was for them to
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  Speaker 2: graduate into the show. I think that the West and
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  Speaker 2: Amanda scandal, I think that has put everything kind of
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  Speaker 2: in flux in terms of the plan for the Summerhouse universe. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like also to see her come back
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  Speaker 2: or not. You know, TMZ says she is coming back,
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  Speaker 2: which I would really love. But if si Eric goes back,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way she's going to film with Amanda and West.
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  Speaker 2: So like that means that they're probably off Summerhouse. So
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  Speaker 2: does that mean that they still bring Kyle and Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: and Carl back in some capacity? I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't but I think the original plan is uh
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  Speaker 2: maybe not the way they're going to fully go yet.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, But what to do.
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  Speaker 1: Have you Have you seen the premiere of In the City.
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  Speaker 2: I have not, no that that's best screener. Screener has
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  Speaker 2: not been sent out yet.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, but you will.
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  Speaker 2: No, but but I've heard that it's ready and premiere
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  Speaker 2: is on Tuesday, so we're gonna We're gonna get it soon.
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  Speaker 2: And and the Bravo exec said that there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a scene that was filmed recently at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of that episode, So I don't know what that looks like.
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  Speaker 1: He'll be a current day and then I'll go exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but like and my guess, my guess is
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  Speaker 2: that's Kyle and Amanda just you know, but I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know because Western Sierra aren't on In the City.
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  Speaker 2: I guess cast members at least not yet. Yea, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Are they going to do a shina walking into the
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  Speaker 1: kitchen at sir transition.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, They've said that it's going to be part of
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  Speaker 2: like a two hour event, so like and they call
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  Speaker 2: it a backdoor pilot, So I think that's what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. I don't my my like vision of it
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  Speaker 2: from the since the moment they announced in the city
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  Speaker 2: that we knew was happening. Yes, my vision is they
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  Speaker 2: show Lindsay driving back into the city. They just so
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  Speaker 2: show Kyle and Kyle and Amanda driving back into the
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  Speaker 2: city together like packing up from summerhouse, and they arrive
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  Speaker 2: at their apartments and maybe there's like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: one of the other cast members meets up with them
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  Speaker 2: for a drink or you know, Kyle Amanda go back
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  Speaker 2: to their apartment and like they're not in a good
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  Speaker 2: place and it's kind of quiet, and it's like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: this is our life in the city now. But I
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  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be that's my guest. They drive back.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, because I love I love when they do that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I loved it. I was waiting that was
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  Speaker 1: waiting through the valley. I was like, are they gonna
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  Speaker 1: have somebody walk out us their get in the car
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  Speaker 1: and then drive to the valley.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't it wasn't it. Jack's going to
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  Speaker 2: like the boys night and then he like drives over
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  Speaker 2: the hills into the valley.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all about like Jack's getting out of
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  Speaker 1: a car. I just remember that they can and that
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  Speaker 1: was I mean, we knew Jackson was terrible, but that
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  Speaker 1: was before we knew he was. We thought he was
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  Speaker 1: level a physical abuse level. Yeah, yeah, we thought he
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  Speaker 1: was level seventy five. We didn't know he was level
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  Speaker 1: one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. Yeahs So I do love I also love a
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  Speaker 2: backdoor pilots. I think it's a really fun thing that
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  Speaker 2: rarely happens. It's only happened, it happened less than five times,
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  Speaker 2: and so it works. It's a fun way. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it works exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you said, Lindsay. And that reminded me of this week.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay and Michael Rappaport got into an online beef. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was crazy. That was great. So I guess he
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  Speaker 1: came out and just did as he does, like blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah, I hate her and it was calling her
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  Speaker 1: like old mother Hubbard and all this and just giving
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  Speaker 1: his opinion on her on Summer House. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I you know, before all this Trader stuff and everything,
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  Speaker 1: I was okay with Michael Rappaport coming on Watch What
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  Speaker 1: Happens Live and having opinions. I thought he was kind
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  Speaker 1: of funny. But by god, he's making himself so hated
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  Speaker 1: with all this shit.
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  Speaker 2: He yeah, he's not. He's not a good reader of
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  Speaker 2: the room, I would say. I say, like yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: like and maybe that's the point with him, Like maybe
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  Speaker 2: he always wants to ruffle feathers and take the unpopular
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  Speaker 2: opinion and go against the grain. Like I think that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like his emo in a way, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like having unpopular opinion just to rile people up. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I guess he Like he was like, I know she's
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  Speaker 2: a single mom, but like her only her only storyline
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  Speaker 2: for the past two years has been Carl and it's
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  Speaker 2: like and she was like, well, I actually had a
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  Speaker 2: baby last year and was pregnant on the show last year,
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  Speaker 2: so that was a huge storyline. So it's like he
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  Speaker 2: just he's not even talking in facts. So and one
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  Speaker 2: thing about Lindsay is that like she will shut get
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  Speaker 2: activated and shut shit down. And so that's so she did.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think he responded to her to
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  Speaker 2: her response, so he.
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  Speaker 1: Did either, And I like she's just like walking around
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  Speaker 1: her house film and like not giving a ship you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, exactly that in the game right now.
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  Speaker 1: And then another thing that I saw today that was
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  Speaker 1: fascinating was Meredith Lynch, who I know, did a big
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  Speaker 1: post about how much she hates Bethany. This is not
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  Speaker 1: the first one. She does posts all the time, but
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  Speaker 1: how much she hates Bethany. Okay, okay, So she just
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  Speaker 1: went on your piece of shit, you know, you scam
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  Speaker 1: nonprofit maga. You know, she just went on a rant
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  Speaker 1: against Bethany, as she does.
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  Speaker 3: And Andy liked it so interesting and I ran right
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  Speaker 3: to the comments and all the all the Bravo influencers
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  Speaker 3: like not Andy like in this post.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean it's it's really it's so fascinating think
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  Speaker 2: about how much that friendship has deteriorated. I mean, he
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: won't even say her name anymore, Like he calls her Margret.
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  Speaker 1: Lady, Yeah, lady.
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  Speaker 2: I love that he calls her on like the radio
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  Speaker 2: show and stuff whenever she comes up, like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because you think about he was friends. He was in
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  Speaker 1: all those Hampton circles with Carol and Bethany and in
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  Speaker 1: those New York circles and stuff, and then of course
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  Speaker 1: there was that falling out at the reunion that time
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  Speaker 1: when Carol confronted Andy, is that are you scared over too?
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  Speaker 1: And then he was a fight with Carol for a
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  Speaker 1: while but now she's coming back to New York.
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  Speaker 2: M M.
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  Speaker 1: Carol played the long game.
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  Speaker 2: Carol played the long game, and she knew she went
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  Speaker 2: out and lived her life in a way that Bethany
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  Speaker 2: thinks she's doing that. But Bethany weighs in on every
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  Speaker 2: possible thing in the entire world, much less pop culture,
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  Speaker 2: much less ronny, you know, like she yes, yes, she
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  Speaker 2: talks about everything. And she I mean also like she
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  Speaker 2: was a big part of like the quote unquote reality
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  Speaker 2: reckoning effort a couple of years ago, and like that
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  Speaker 2: was an effort to take Andy down and Bravo down,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And I think that that is that's something
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  Speaker 2: that like hits very personally to them, and they' obviously
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  Speaker 2: they get very protective over it. So like I think
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  Speaker 2: that was sort of that was the line, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: the reality reckoning stuff. But she also, like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: she says a lot of out of pocket shit. I
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  Speaker 2: think Bethany is like occasionally, you see, I'll see a
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  Speaker 2: video of her pop up and I'm like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: she kind of has a point there, or like oh
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  Speaker 2: she's kind about this, yes, but like you know, broke
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  Speaker 2: a broken clock, you know, twice is right twice a day,
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  Speaker 2: but like she says so much that inevitably a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it's going to be wrong and not necessarily land well.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is, I don't really think she cares
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  Speaker 2: that Andy doesn't that Andy is off her.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she doesn't care. But I mean, it is
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  Speaker 1: fascinating that the Meredith Lynch, who I like a lot,
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  Speaker 1: who just not only is she be like, okay, guys,
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  Speaker 1: here are some facts about this company that Bethany was
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  Speaker 1: the part of, but she's just like, you're a piece
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  Speaker 1: of shit, narcissist, racist. I mean, she just says the
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  Speaker 1: worst things, and I'm always like, how are you get
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  Speaker 1: away with that? Because she never says allegedly you know right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely seems like somebody who's pretty libeless, you know, sure, yes, yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting. But I think she married at the steid before.
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  Speaker 1: She can't sue me because everything I'm saying is true
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  Speaker 1: and I've got receist to back it up. I'm like, okay, girl,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: you guys aren't following Meredith Lynch. It's a fun watch.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: So there was that there were so many things going
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: on in the last couple of days. I mean, like
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: they announced that Alex Murdock is getting a new case,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: getting a new trial.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Oh I didn't see that. I didn't see that.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you were busy working, But that.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Was there's a lot of Bravo stuff.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: God, yes, and there was Bravo stuff going that was
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: announced today. And then Gibson for my people, for my
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: ninety Day fiance people, it has been announced that there
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: will be a ninety Day Con.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: That's huge in Vegas.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. They literally said it's coming and like
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: no location, no date, it's coming. And I was like,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: don't do this to us. TLC.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if they're smart, they do it this year,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: which is the off year for Bravo Con. Don't. I
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: don't think you want it to compete. I think you
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: want it to Yeah, you know.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of crossover. And I I because
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know, like I do a lot of ninety Days
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and I do Bravo on Thursdays, and ninety day is
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: my literal bread and butter and my life. And so
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I wrote to my ninety day, my TLC contact that
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: helps me with stuff, and I said, just please tell
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: me it will not be this one particular weekend in
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: October where I'm going to be in New York for
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: like a meetup that like we have put a deposit
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: down for a place like just just please tell me that.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Other than that, you don't have to tell me anything,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: and I can guarantee you it is not that weekend
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: in October?
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Love?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Is that is that Bravo fan Fast weekend?
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I believe that it's the same as Bravo FanFest in Charleston.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: But you're going to be in New York.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be in New York, So which means
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I want you? Is that what we're finding out now?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I mean I want to go. I need I should
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: go to fan vest. I don't know what the particular
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: is of it, but they'll send you.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: They'll send you a press baskets.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I hope. So I was. I was not invited to
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: last fan Fest, so I don't know. It's a smaller event.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I did say they're going to have to watch what
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Happens Lives, so it's not that small.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I love an excuse to go to Charleston, but no,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I believe I'm going to be in New York that weekend.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But that's going to be all announced guy soon, so
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But anyway, they told us nothing.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Even for those of us ninety day podcasters that have
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: all the insight, they told us nothing.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. And it's also like there's also a Dancing
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: with the Stars Con this year, Like there are people
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: are people are seeing how successful BRAVACN has been and
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: getting these you know, more quote unquote niche fandoms together,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's really smart. It's really smart, and like
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: it's it's also must be exciting prospect for you to
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: like because I love and you're part of this too,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: But like being at Brava Con with like all the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: other creators and podcasters that are around these shows is
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: so that to me is the best part. Honestly, it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: like that's the most because we know we always recording
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: with each other on zoom and like to be in
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: person with each other, like that's a I love that
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: part of it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I loved seeing you in your cute sunglasses and you're
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: so tall and handsome, and you were you were everywhere
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Brava Con, everywhere I looked there with Skipson, I.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Run around that venue like a chicken with his head
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: cut off, just everywhere, all at once. Don't really sleep
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that much that weekend. But that's what it's all about.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You know, Vegas, there's stuff happened at all times. It's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: good for business. You just gotta I just gotta go
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: for it. So I expect to see I expect you
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: know what, man at ninety eight con. You need to
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: have like a live like a go pro live streamer
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: every move.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, I've been training my whole life for this,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and I put up. I put up the stuff that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: they send us with the rocky music, like I'm ready there.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the training starts now.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Just I wrote to my my TLC person, So I'm stretching,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'm getting ready. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: back into Pilate's I'm gonna, I'm doing it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, there we go.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mentioned Ladies of London a second ago. Did
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you had a chance to interview cast members?
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I just the only person that I got pitched was Margot,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: which was like, you know, it is what it is,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: what it is with Margo. But yeah, I interviewed her.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: You know, it definitely made me like her a little
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: bit more. But I also interviewed her, and I think
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: that the timing was probably intentional on like the pr
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: person's part. I'm guessing before the Mark Francis like the
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: freak thing had happened, so you know, she was she was.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: She was already ruffling feathers on the show, of course,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: but like not to that level, and that like the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: accusations that were made about how she you know, what
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: she said about him. So the interview did make me
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: like appreciate her a little bit more. But also by
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the end of the season, I was sort of like,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: h girl, like, I don't know about this.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But then she had that People magazine article come out
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that say, you know, she she knew that something was
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: off with her and her personality, and so she went
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and got you know, her hormones while all out of
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: whack and everything, you know, for being the age that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: she isn't having a baby, and then that's going to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: make your hormones go crazy. So I felt like, so
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Mark Francis was on Watch What Happens Live, and he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had nothing nice to say about her, only bad things
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to say. And then that article came out the next day,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: which I think was a little calculated to make him
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: look bad.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, she knows, she knows she's doing she's trying
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to say face, which you know she's entitled to do so,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: but you know, no reason to forget what she's said. Comment.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And also like that final scene where she
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: sits down with him and she's like, you want to
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: have sex with me, That's what's going on here, And
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, what are you talking about? Like literally,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I think her whole thing is like, why are you
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: obsessed with me? Like I think you want to fuck me?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: And I was like, and I think all of that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is like her trying being funny, like he's obsessed with me,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: but it's not funny. And also when she called him freak,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and also when she said you're so weird prance away.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Oh I didn't catch that one. Yeah, oh somebody else.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I was talking who said they didn't Oh, Amy Phillips.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: She was like, I didn't catch that. I go go back.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: She goes, You're so weird, and he was walking off
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and she said prance away.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Oh that's bad, it's bad, it's not.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So in my interview with her, I was I was
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: because I think her friendship with Martha is like kind
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of intriguing in like their backstory. They clearly like I've
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: done like crazy things together, you know, And so I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: was she was telling me about like their early years
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: together and she's like, yeah, we were both modeling, you know.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I was doing Hard versus Bizarre and this, that and
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the other, and Martha was doing the Town and Country.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And I didn't take it as like shady. But then
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: after the season end and Martha DMed me and she
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: was like, hey, I heard Margo say that, you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: she was doing Harper's Bizarre and I was doing Town
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and Country. Let the record show that I was doing
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Italian Vogue and I was the face of the Royal Ascot.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I love that woman.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I love Martha. And she posted something with John Hill
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and John Hill's dog and something and I wrote under
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it like, oh my god, John, I'm so excited you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: got to meet Martha. And she wrote under it and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: did like a little hay and I was like, well,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that's it, love, That's done. And I loved how and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: watch What Happens Live. She was so honest because Andy
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was asking her like how has this been for you?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And she goes, are you kidding? Me, it's been great,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: She says, to get five hundred DMS today for people
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: telling you how much they love you, like totally, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I love I love that honesty, not to be like, oh,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it's been overwhelming or I just like that honesty if like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't want to get five hundred DMS today telling
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you're great? You know?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that that was part of what
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I found really refreshing about the show overall, which was that, like,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and I posted a clip of me actually talking about
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: this on my podcast where I was like, it feels
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: like or like the vibe is like, it's not Housewives
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: or like a new younger show on Brava where it
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: feels like everybody's there to get more famous and get
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a bunch of brand deals and start a brand and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Like that's not the that's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: not the vibe of the show. The vibe of the
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: show to me as a bunch of people who like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: we're like why not to sign up for a reality
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: show like for shits and giggles basically, And I firmly
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: sort of stand by that being the vibe. But then she,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of course, it sounds like she's pretty online She commented
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: under that she was like, no, please, I need the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: brand deals. I really want brand deals, And I was like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I'd love her to get at brand deals as well.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: But my point still stands in that it feels like
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: an authentic group of people who aren't there to climb
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a ladder, you know.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: It feels like a very show. Yeah, a very different
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: show than anything we've seen, and I loved it. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: they did, they did some they did some announcements, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they didn't announce that show.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ladies of London was not announced. I think I
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: think it's it had just ended and it's in the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: press release. It was still called out as like recently finale.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I think was the was the wording they used with
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, and Beverly Hills was the top rated show
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: on Bravo, So it being lumped in with that does
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: not make me worried about it. I just think they're
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: not rushing into rushing into it. And also it's like,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I think they could film Ladies of London whenever. It's
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: not like it's like tied to like a specific time
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of year or whatever. Like I think that, like them,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm hopeful about it. Basically, even though it wasn't officially
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: renewed yet.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Personally, I'm hopeful about it. Just because they had so
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: many cast members go and watch What Happens live. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: think that's always a big sign.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mark Martha got this huge New York Times profile,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: like at the very end of the season. They like
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: this show. Like I don't know how big it was
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: in the ratings, but I think that they feel they
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: feel hopeful about it in general, and like it was
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: a word of mouth wise, like it was all positive
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: about this show. Like nobody I've talked to who's watched
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the show that didn't like it. I think it's amazing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Agree, Agree, And we covered it and generally I don't
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: cover a Bravo show like a recap style, right, but
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it happened to fall into a spot where the show
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: we normally cover Ladies No Love after lock Up, which
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: we call mug Shot Monday, that show was off, so
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: we were like, we put in Monarch Monday instead.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: People people loved it. People loved it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an amazing show. It's a really it's a
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: great reality show, and it's and it feels retro in
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: a good way.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, yes, yes, okay the Valley. I know The
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Valley isn't hitting on all cylinders as it has been
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: in the past, but I'm like you, I'm a complete
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: thisst I'll never stop watching it. Yeah, what are your
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: thoughts on what's happening with The Valley.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: It's hard because it's like it has the less the
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: lighter that viewers were wanting without Jax being there as
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: this big clout over the show. It's finally what people wanted,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: but in reality it's not fully working. Like it does
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: feel like there's something missing. Yeah, I also kind of
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: feel like we're like still in this like Kristin, Janet
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Britney Hamster Wheel, you know, and I'm kind of like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: over this kind of dynamic and like just loop that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: we're on with that. Like I kind of feel like
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: they need to just like learn to coexist with Janet
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: and not you know, like like it's I just don't
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: believe she's the villain that everyone's painting her out to
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: be and so like, yeah, she's like she's bad at
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: apologies and doesn't really apologize and always wants something back,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and like it's not very good at the reading the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: room and all that stuff. Can be true, but like
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: she's not this evil person that I think a lot
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: of people kind of think of her as. So I'm
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: just kind of like move on, like let's change up
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the dynamic on the show. Like there's just something repetitive
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: about it and also something missing. And yeah, it's hard.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I just it's long. I hate it. It's just like
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not excited to watch it at all.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I think that Danny and Nia thing is so dark.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: It's dark. And when he said this last week, when
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: he said when she was like I'm ready to ride
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: rides and all that, and he said, you're being performative,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and she said what And then she tries to then
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: backpedal that to be like this is Funnia, You've just
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: forgotten because we have four kids. He forgot it's like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: two days ago. Like what do you mean he forgot?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, so that was her trying to say, like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't saying I'm being performative because I'm fun. And then
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: he's bitching at her about swaddling the baby. Why two
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: times she was trying to He's yelling.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: At her, Oh my god, He's like, really, I mean
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I get to my own home. I've been on the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Danny sucks train since season one, and he yelled at
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: her when he yelled at her at that dinner table
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: when he was drunk on the group trip like that,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, there's something there and these and
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: she's a pageant girl, he's an actor. They don't want
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: it come up there. They try to cover it up
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: so much. And I think they were able to cover
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: it up for a couple of years there because Jack's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: was there and he took up a lot of the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: auction in the room and he was the big bad wolf,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: rightfully so. But now he's not there anymore, and there's
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: no other place for them to hide, and I think
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Danny's really sinister and he's showing his cards, and Nia
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: isn't authentic. She tries to hide it all so grown
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: under the rug. Doesn't want to show any sort of
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: negative parts of hers, of her other than like postpartum,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: which I think is obviously very legitimate to show, but
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: like in terms of her relationship, she doesn't want to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: show anything bad about it. And that's also part of her,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I think, being performative and wanting to be like, oh,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: like you know what we saw at the in San Diego.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there, that's bleak.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: To me, it's bleak. And I didn't like him mean
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to her when she was trying to eat. Nope, you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: because I was like, and I understand probably for her,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: it's very important for her torself to get her back
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to the way she looks because all of that is
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: sort of ingrained in her how she feels about herself. Yeah,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: but you guys had four kids in four years, and
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that's rough. That's going to be rough on anybody. And that,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: oh that's so. I can't understand. Who was I talking
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to you about Danny and Nia? It was Amy Phelips.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember because Amy Phllips lives in Santa Clarita.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Oh she does.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And when they said on the episode, when they were
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: like when Zach was like, I took my dysentery pills
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to go to Santa Clair, like it's so far. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: sent her a text, I said, are you able to
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: get amazon to day in Santa Clarita? And she wroent back,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Because she hasn't just just
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: just yes or no, And she goes, are you sending
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: me a present? And I said, no, I just want
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to know, do you get Amma on two day in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Santa Glarita. She's like yes. Then she saw the episode
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: two was like, you.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Bitch, and that is so funny. Oh my god. She's like,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it's like the Santa Clarita stray is really happening. Like
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it's it's a they're not painting a very nice picture
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: of it. I've never been there.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: But it looks nice to me. It looks like where
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I would probably live and lived in La I'd have
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to live an hour outside, you know.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I think it looks great. It's just like he he
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: seems like a very selfish person in their relationship, and.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: She didn't want to go there.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: She didn't want to go there, and like, not just
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: like because it's far, but also like, think about them
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: filming this show. The commute they have to do to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: film every scene they do that's not their house. It's
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: over an hour to get anywhere to film with their
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: other castmates. And it's like that with four under four
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is that is that is really hard. Really.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it is near their church. Kate Casey,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: our friend, did a deep dive on their church on
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: her on her Patreon.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: And that was.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: It's a little kind of it reminds me a lot
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of that church, like a mega church that the one
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that Justin Bieber belonged to. It reminds me.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Of that like New Age got it okay, but.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Some very backwards thoughts. Freak sure, So that doesn't make
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: me happy. Are you loving the new season of Atlanta?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'm really liking it and I think that especially this
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Dallas trip has been really fun. I think it's been
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: like listen, it's I think with Atlanta more so than
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: like any other franchise right now, people are so hung
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: up on the good old glory days of that show,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: when Nini was around, when Keny was around, and those
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: were those were like some of the best housewives ever
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: to happen. Like those seasons, yes, but but like you,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: it's also like an impossible standard to hold it too
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: without those women there, Like Nini is not coming back,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Kenya is not there, so we have to like embrace
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: what we have. And I think that they've done a
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: really good job of rebuilding the show, Like the past
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: couple of seasons have been like pretty dire of I agree.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: The last couple of seasons, I was like, I don't
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: know these.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: People, right, but like, I'm sorry, but yeah, this season,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'm watching at the dinner table, Porsche, Phedra,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Cynthia Drew like they're Angela, Like these people are good housewives.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: It's fun to watch them together. I'm laughing a lot
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: watching the show now, and we're having old school obviously
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: sparring back with the with the Pinky and Angela's scene.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Even since Cynthia in this last episode, whether she was
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: having no time for like Pinky and Kelly and them,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: like I was living for that. I think it's I
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: think that's having a really great season so far. I'm
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I'm really happy be about it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I think the whole thing with the room being dirty
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and Cynthia's like, obviously nobody wants to be in a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: dirty room. Obviously nobody wants to be responsible for somebody
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: having a dirty, dirty room. I'm doing everything I can
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to fix it. I'm so sorry. I was like the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: dirty room is like, yeah.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: That dirty. It's also not even that dirty.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even that dirty. But I mean, I think
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Shemia is you know, I think Smia probably has several
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: housekeepers that live in her home.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Sure, but it's also like, and I posted this on threads,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I think, but I was like, part of the reason
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: why this that part's like not landing is because like
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: there is a way on Housewives to complain about your
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: room on a group trip in a way that's like
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: funny and kind of campy and like you're complaining, but
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: it's just like in a more I don't know, like
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: leaning in. They're just being such negative nancies about it
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: and just like it's so energy suck like vibes, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, like it's so downer and it's like.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Refusing to come to dinner because their room was dirty?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? And then they watched it from
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the side of the pool, and then but then they
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: still come back up when they realize it's going to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: be a big moment once they hear all the yelling
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and they want to be on It's like, that was
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: so silly to me. And then Ky Michelle, who I
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: really like. I think Michelle is a great addition to
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: the show. But her refusing to come to dinner because
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: her glam didn't show up, but then still filming with
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Shemia and Kelly, Yeah, you're still on camera. The dinner's
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: at the house on the balcony like relax.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't love ka Michelle.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I gotta tell you.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, she rubs me the wrong way. I could end
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: up from do you like Pinky?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I do like thinky Oh, you do like thinky Okay,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I just like.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Her whole vibe, like her.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I just like the Okay, we have to end with
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: talk of Rhode Island. Okay, I wasn't caught up, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: now I'm caught up. I had a real problem, Gibson,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: A real problem with their faces, okay, in that I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: could not I could not get a rosie from m Kelsey.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I could. I had to make a spreadsheet with little
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: photos bullet points by their names, and then started Gibson.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I'm devoted. I had to start again. I started to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: get into episode one. After that was spreadsheet together, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: then consulted it as I watched it, so by the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: time I got to three, I didn't have to look
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: at my spreadsheet anymore.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I love that for you you are you're helping yourself
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: out with this like that is and listen, you're not
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the only one to have some some you know, tough
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: times to apart. Yes, and also doesn't what doesn't help
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: the situation, and it's actually a good problem to have,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: which is that they have like waterboarded us with details
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: about all these women's backstories and how they're interconnected with
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: each other. You know, who slept with whose husband before
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: they were married, and I went to high school with you,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: so like it's hard. That makes it actually harder to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: keep track of who was who because it's like, wait
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a second, so was it was Alicia who was new
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: x y Z person and went to communion with them
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: before they dated his sister? Like it's like I don't
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: remember any of those details because we weren't either inundated.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they could have, they could have slid some of
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that in towards the end or in season two, because
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the season one, I'm already just trying to figure out
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: who you are and who your husband is or your
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: boyfriend or whatever, and then to slide in your husband's
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: brother slept with Alisha or where, I'm like, huh, I'm
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: gonna have to insult my spreadsheet again and then I'm
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: but I'm loving it, and I want to know that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: in real time, Rula is not with her husband, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: she still is, right.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: She still is. Yeah, he was. He was there to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: support her on Watch Happens Live after the episode, at
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the derby or at the polo match. So, you know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: it feels like one of those things where it's like
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: they're putting up this front. They're gonna try as hard
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: as they can for as long as they can until
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: it doesn't hold up. But also we know from the
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: mid season trailer that there is footage and they do
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: talk about on the show when he was arrested for
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: tracking her in the fall.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Why does he care where she is and he's supposed
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to be looking for his girlfriend.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Well, that's it's it's we knew that. We knew that,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: we knew why Rula would want to track her husband.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Why is he trying to track her?
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: We don't know, right, she just seems so meek, you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: she just seems so like everything's fine.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: You know, like it's like it's like, try harder to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: make us believe that because I'm not believing this.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I just have a lot of personality from
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: her other than her husband's a cheater, you know.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that her I think her appeal is
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: this story, is this marriage, and even her talking about
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: why she didn't go to the Rhode Island mansions, and
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: she's like talking about you know, she she felt she
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: felt faint and then her stomach started to her and
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: then she had to be, you know, brought to the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: emergency room. And then it was like this crazy It
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: was kind of giving Tom's house is broken into, you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the famous Erica Jane soliloquy. You know, so she's full
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: of shit, But I.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Didn't believe a word of it, because let me tell
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you what I have been in that situation where I've
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: been in the hospital and had all these tests and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's wrong with me, and I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: didn't look that good. I look like I've been hit
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: by a sweaty truck. So you know, you don't just
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You just don't look that
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: good if you have had so many illnesses that you've
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: had the MRIs and the caskins and they're trying to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: figure out what's wrong with you, you don't look that pretty
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in your bed, right right right.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: She was like full glam, full beat, and you know
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: that the whole thing about what really happened with them
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: leaving before the polo match and then coming.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Back right, Well, no, tell me. I mean what they
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: said was that he was he went and did something
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: with his girlfriend. But what's the story.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was threatening to she was threatening to
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: show up to filming apparently, and Kelsey sort.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Of the girl, the mistress.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: The mistress, and so the Kelsey sort of got to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: got was insinuating this on while Chapman's Live, and there
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: was a whole social media post somewhere about it. Apparently
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Allegedly the phone call was from the mistress actually, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: she was threatening to show up to the polo match
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: because she knew they were filming, probably be a Joe Ellen,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and he had to put a stop to it. He
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: couldn't show up and like she couldn't show up and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: like blow it all up on camera basically, So he
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: drove and like I guess calmed her down or whatever.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows exactly what happened, but he was with her apparently,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: that's the that's the but Rula was with him when
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: he lied no member. She she called them from her house,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: so he dropped her off, yes, uh huh, and then
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: picked her back up. That's that's the going theory and story.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And then some but would Rula like ask his mom
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and dad like, are you sick? Are you at that?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I think I think Rula knew it was fake.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, she knew that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: This is I think she was in on like the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: cover up, like don't let this crazy woman come blow
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: up our spot on the on the show. Okay you go,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: do you go deal with this, figure your shit out,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and then come picking back up and won't go back
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to the polo match. That's what that's the vibe I'm getting.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Because it was I listen, I again couldn't figure out
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Joellen from a hole in the wall. But then once
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: like once I got who she was. I love her.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I love how she walked up to him and he's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: looking at his phone and she goes, oh, are you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: looking at Instagram because she had just seen that boast?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: She goes you checking Instagram?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: She last and I love it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I love her.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: That old story this past week about her mother just
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: shuffling it off and her to explain like, I didn't
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: have bad grades, I wasn't a whore. I didn't do this,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't do that. My mother just was scared that
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I was pretty and I was going to become that
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: so she set me off to all these like abusive
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: boarding skulls. I was like, crazy, what is that?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: One? Was that one of them for a year her
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: entire freshman year of high school. And then the only
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: reason why the mom brought her back home and she
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: was thought she was suddenly, you know, good to be
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: back at home, is because they threatened to take custody
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: away from her. The government like that's.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Great, that's that's trauma.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Wow. And the sister was also at one of these places.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I think they said she got sent first, so that's like,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that's that's that'll really stay with you.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, oh my god. Well I'm going
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to tell you I'm so glad that I'm caught up
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: on it because I was like lagging behind because I
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't get their faces. And I was like, what I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: need is like a whole day and a half where
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I don't have other ninety day stuff to do to
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: really grill down on this. And I did. I went
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to the beach. I was all by myself, which was
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like the joy of my life had I just had
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: it on my phone walking around everything I was doing
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and just watched all of it. After I got my
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: spreadsheet together.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: There we go. That is I love that. I would
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: love to have seen that, the footage of that happening.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: You just you know, at the beach doing your thing, just.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Clipping off at Instagram into my redsheet and then bullet points,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: bullet points you know, Alicia, not married, been together, making.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: A spreadsheet on your Patreon with people.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Well some of my notes. Maybe you know.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: The way that I have to unpublishable.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Well, no, just like the way I describe people's faces
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: is the way for me to remember it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Got it?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Sure, I can kind of like right away, Rosie gave
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: me Kate Middleton vibes.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that, Rosie the little the newscaster.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she gave me. I thought she was kind of
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like Kate Middleton. And then I had to think, like
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I can remember Ashley I because eye is long and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Ashley has a long nose. Like these are the ways
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: after this is my childhood.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Whatever you need to do to remember that's what you did,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: remember like it's it's your board.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I got everybody, you know, I got everybody know you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Like I put for for Liz, I put like two
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Tan Dolores.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, yeah, these.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Are things three kids, not hers, but don't say that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: That kind of thing, ye kind of.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Thing, Gibson. Tell everybody where they can find your podcast.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: You guys, Gibson. I don't know how he does it.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: He always has the best interviews. He's at every event.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I've told him a million times. I am a short
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: training ride away. If you ever need a plus one,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I'm right on that train. I will be there. I
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: will be there. Gibson gets invited to everything. So by
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the way, if you can ever get invited to a
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: DC thing, if you don't contact me, we're going to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: be in a fight.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we weren't friends. We weren't friends yet when
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I the only big Bravo thing I've ever done in
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: DC was like the season six premiere of Real Housewives
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of Potomac. I like moderated a panel for them down
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: on the wharf, but they I don't know why, just
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that season they did like a big DC thing. But
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: otherwise I feel there's never really been that much in DC.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: But hopefully for Potomac we got something next season or something. Okay, well, okay.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Now tell everybody where they could find you in all
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: your great interviews and everything.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Of course, my podcast is called Gabbing with GiB You
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: can find it wherever you get pink shade. You can
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: follow me on any social media platform at Gibsonoma or
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: at Gabbing with GiB where I clip out my interviews
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: and stuff and post all my threads and all that
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And yeah, that's that's it. I always
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: love chatting with you, Mary Payne. This is You're always
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: such a it's it brightens my day, honest.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Gibson is so good on threads, you guys. I got
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to get better at it. I'm just you know, I'm
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: trying to, like, I'm so scared of Twitter that I'm
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: trying to.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Like no, and then threads is th Threads is like
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: a definitely like a there's definitely some crazies on there,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and like it's it can be a frustrated place, as
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: any social media platform can be. But also it kind
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: of feels like old Twitter and that like a lot
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: of the Bra celebrities are active on there right now,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: and like it's you're not gonna it's it's not really
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: like a lot of Maga trolls but popping popping up
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: very often, so it's a little bit of a safer place,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: So okay, I like, all right, well i'm gonna, I'm gonna.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do it now. I'm trying. Listen,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a lady.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Certain it's all we can do. We can try working.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'm working, okay. Everybody, make sure you're following Gibson and
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: make sure you're following me at Pink Shade Pod. Thank you,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you.