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- Lynn: Hello and welcome to tonight's episode of the Occultinarium. We are the voices of the Occultinarium and tonight's hosts are Luigi: Gertrude, the local physician Amelie: The milkmaid and the cowgirl. Lynn: And Leon the farmer. So in spirit tod We're going with it. we're rolling. So tonight's episode as it is the twenty sixth of July as we're recording this and we are nearing our next pagan sabbath. we're calling it la depending on tradition over here on the Skandix they call it Lamas over there it's more popular or commonly known as slunasab although very many different pronunciations on that one. And so we shall cover that today, tonight. we have just approached the first little harvest basically. So we're having this is a harvest festival, it's a harvest Sabbath. lamas traditionally on around this time, the first of August, it depicts the time when we're going f when we have just gone from hay harvest. also we're just coming from hay month. July used to be called hay moon or hay month. And the hay harvest is over now we're going to wheat or crop harvest. In Scandinavia, especially in Denmark, it used to be rye rather than wheat. So rye harvest used to be the the more or rye used to be the more common crop. And so now we're going into the rye harvest season. and yeah, end of the hay harvest. this hey ho So they Amelie: Hey hody ho Luigi: Maybe inappropriate. Lynn: typically like yeah. Histor is historically that's i it's like a period of mostly celebrations. there used to be for example no big court or law cases during the era like during the harvest era. It used to be a very sacred time. So people were supposed to, you know, mm go more into this like, you know, harvesting and and bringing in the crops and that is a very important and a very sacred ceremony in itself. as you know, without crops without harvesting, you go hungry for the rest of the year in the winter and you starve. So it's a practically it's a a very important time of the year. So law cases would actually be big law cases would be laid low. was called the pe time of peace or Freadr in in the Skandics. So peace was promoted, no wars and no strife with your neighbours. We have a tradition or there was a tradition that during the lamas the beer from Thorra month, which is March or Thor's month is where you be brew the first beer and the first beers would be preserved for then lamas, so they would now be drink. so it all goes around. the the very first harvest being specially sacred. so people there there's there's this thing of how people when they went to to get the harvest and when they were going on the wagons with the harvest, they would have or they would remove their shoes so as to not to step on the sacred grain and people would wear the best outfits for the first harvest. Like what we would call our like Sunday outfits. They would put on the best dresses, the best clothes to bring back the the first harvest on the wagons into the farm. and then and then the lady of the house would also take like receive it and it would all happen in silence so very very ceremonial kind of thing and something that it's like something that was also things that the last and the first straws or sheaves of the harvest would would be kept on the fields as an offering. and here i it's a little bit there's a difference in whom the offering was going to depending on traditions, depending on the country and the time. So there is we know that in some areas it was going to some sort of supernatural sow, a pig that would receive that the the offerings on the field. in some other traditions I think Denmark as well it was more going to Odin and his horse Sleipny. There's some connection that some of that will then also be kept for the wild hunt, which happens later in Yule at at the winter solstice and to then give into Odin and his horse. there's also certain traditions where it's connected with Freya. the there's also fertility goddess, also goddess of war and death and many things, but also fertility and f the it's especially fruit harvest that was connected connected with Freya. there's also some tradition with it being connected to the hidden folks that the offering was given to the hidden folks or the the fairy folks. but yeah so that about what that was going to But there were a lot of traditions w about when these first and last sheaves were taken back from the field and then actually integrated into ritual as well. And so we w it's our ha harvest, right? It's about fertility. So there's one particular one that I I liked. we're not doing this anymore, it's just historical or I don't know anybody's doing this, but that was where the I think it's the last sheaf was brought into the bed of the lady of the house. So she would sleep with it and it would be like a ceremonial or you know, it would be intercourse in some sense. And then she would get pregnant and then the child that would be born was the loaf, basically w that would be yes, so the child from this blah blah blah would be the first loaf from the first or the last sheaf of the harvest. so whole big s mm Fertility thing here, again. Luigi: Mmm. Amelie: It's it brings a completely different Luigi: Bin. Amelie: press spin to to having a bun in the oven. Lynn: Yes. Definitely the bun in the oven. It's the the sh the the llamas bun. the name we're not quite sure but we think that the llamas was derived from loaf mass and that being like that first loaf that you make from the first harvest in whichever way, whether with be becoming pregnant by it or not. There are also traditions of young women having a wreath of the the first harvest in Sweden as far as I know actually and then they they would be called fissemur which is literally translates into cunt mother beep okay fertility excuse me or they would make something like a scarecrow but the opposite like they would call it a rye hag so they would make like a a a person out of like the rye so birds would come and eat it and then spread spread it out. that's also like a thing. And yeah, otherwise I mean it's leading into the harvest season. So lots of feasting, lots of celebrations, lots of boom hoom and I miss that. Like I was like I wonder if reading upon la like on that and like back in the days when things were just revolving so much more about farming. There was just I feel such a richer tradition in actually celebrating what you're doing and celebrating the seasons and just thinking of like how you're going in and and then the the first harvest being so important and the last harvest being so important and you doing stuff with it and how things go full circle, like with that bread then going into the Yule period and being an offering there and then that the beer from the Thor Thor Raman. would be eaten or drunk drunk now. So it's like it's it's nice. I like it. I'm missing that kind of stuff. But we can we can talk about yeah. Amelie: we also have we also have our tradition. So so maybe I should harvest a card. Luigi: Oh yes, drawing the card. Yes, please. Lynn: Yes. Amelie: I'm going to harvest a card for us for later. Lynn: sounded extremely sacred to me when you said that you're going to harvest the card Luigi: Slowly. Lynn: Please harvest the card that we then can reap. and and look at later. Luigi: Perhaps I'm milking too much. Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: Yes. Who knows? Luigi: Too much time spent on her chores. Amelie: Yes. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: Maybe maybe the cowgirl fed off the horse and Luigi: Hahaha. Lynn: Yeah, bumped her head. Amelie: Yeah, bumped. Or maybe the cow kicked her head while she was milking. I just don't know. I don't remember. Lynn: no. We are this is getting violent. Remember there's no violence, Luigi: Naughty, naughty cow. Lynn: there's a that's a period of peace. Luigi: us. Amelie: What what happens in the barn stays in the barn. There's no deer in the barn. Lynn: dear. dear. I don't like the sound of that. my gosh. Okay. Well i I covered some of the llamas, but for the Celtic traditions, Lunasa Luigi, would you like to spend a few words on that while we're getting the card for the last Luigi: Yeah, I think etymology speaking in terms of Lunassa, I think, I mean, I'm non-linguistic, so you'll have to forgive me, I have to go with what I was passed on or taught or exposed to. Lynn: Mm. Luigi: So I think the most common way to reference Lunassa in terms of translation is the gathering of Lug, who is predominantly Celtic god. and there's a few reasons as to why we got the gathering of Lug. We can think about this time of the year, the Lunasa year. It was a time at least that, and still to this day, obviously not in London, I think where I am, but in more rural environments and maybe in rest of the UK, who knows. But basically my point was that in this period of the year, there will be a lot of games, a lot of competitions, a lot of festivities like you pointed out as well. So I think because they were... Luke, according to legend, according to legend was the one that started the tradition of the games. So you got that possible explanation, interpretation, translation, but I also wonder, and there's a lot of debate around this as well. So Luke, although not inherently a sun god, you know, like it's not like it's necessarily the god of the sun or whatnot. but he is a luminous deity, know, and has several associations to the either the symbol or the energy or the power of the sun or by extension the power of light. And I'm thinking about this being now the season of Leo, you know, and the season of August, at least in Gregorian calendar and whatnot, when he's, you know, the height of Sama, not from a... natural perspective because we had the summer solstice and we know that technically the sun is slowly in decline but you know like how for many reasons that I don't know if we can cover here or not but August is the time of the year in Europe that we all go the sun is at its peak we all go on holiday we all go away so I'm thinking about the terminology of the gathering of luge and luge being light and the sun so let's all gather around the light or what the light represents what the sun represents and either feast or celebrate or rest, know, like a time for total and utter freedom. That's kind of a spin that I'm giving it. I'm not necessarily saying that's the way to go about it, but it's a reflection of the season of Leo and the connection between Leo and the sun and its power associated to the season of summer. Although technically Lunasa is the beginning of autumn in the Celtic tradition. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Luigi: And it makes a lot of sense because There's two dual core meanings in Lunasa, but you can argue that those two core meanings are present in every single Sabbath. There is an element of celebration and there is an element of sacrifice. And I think when I say that it's spread across all the Sabbaths is because if you look at what comes before and what comes after, there is a sacrifice either way, isn't it? Like what comes after is the result of the sacrifice of what comes before. And by sacrifice I mean the relationship between past, present and future. But also thinking of the conversations that we had about Letha and the Midsummer and the Summer Solstice, where the battle between the Oak and the Holy King, in my very naive and very childlike mind was like, no, my hero has lost to his or hers or theirs enemy. But it's not necessarily Lynn: Mm-hmm. Luigi: that, it's more like, because this is harvest season, like we talked about, it's like the Oak King. The sacrifice is the fact that now the Oak King surrenders the sword or the crown or the throne to the Holy King. So then now like the power of the Oak King and the Oak King again representing an emanation of the Sun's power and the power of life itself has now served the purpose of granting us our harvest, our first harvest first and foremost, but there's gonna be the second, the third, and so forth and so forth. And it's sacrificing its zenith, its power. to the Holy King and maybe that's a way to interpret the sacrifice aspect. As well as, according to legend and tradition, basically not Luke's mother but her... What's the word for it? Her... Adoptive mother, that's a good word for it. She basically... apparently prepared the land. She turned it to the land, again this is in the Irish Celtic tradition, so in ancient Ireland, she prepared the land and she took care of the land for harvest, for agriculture purposes. Obviously it was a big toil and she lost her life because of it. So that again, I might be going too fast now, but basically one of the many traditions of LUNASA is to prepare a corn doll. representing the goddess and that can be the eternal goddess but it can also be a representation of this myth you know like a corn doll in honoring in honor of how do you pronounce Luke's adopted mother's name I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher this pronunciation tell you tell you probably mispronounced it I truly apologize to everybody who's listening to us but basically a corn doll created in her image and in her honor as she gave us the land to nurture, as she gave us the land to provide for ourselves and for our community. And this theme and this story really can be one of the roots of magic in a way because there's an alternative version, hopefully it's not going to be too much information, but there's an alternative version where Lugh being the savior of the Children of Danu, of the Tuatha the Danum, you know, like he's the one defeating Isid- the Furobog or Isid-Fumori. Basically there were several races invading Ireland but Lugh was the champion that eventually managed to lead everybody, the Children of Danu, to victory but kept the leaders of the adversaries alive because he knew, I think his name was Bress, Bress knew the name according to legend again, but Bress knew the ways of working the land and promised that if they spared his life, his, hers, their life, they were gonna teach to the children of Dano how to work the land. So there's a lot of focus about Lunassa and the skill gained in agriculture, in farming, in working the land. Lynn: Mm. Luigi: and the land also being a symbol of the goddess, like the earth, the mother, always underneath us, always with us, and so forth and so forth and so forth. So that was a very lengthy way to go into some of the meanings of Lunasa, traditions of Lunasa and roots of Lunasas. Yeah, did that make sense? Lynn: Yeah. It makes sense. Thank you for that. I mean there's par I mean I I would say pro obviously parallels since the cultures are not that far apart. But the crop doll of the quorum doll as you said and then the the rye hag that was put up. so that I I mean I bet in a lot of other traditions as well, there will be something propped up, some sort of shape. that is unused as some sort of s sa serif sacrificial goat doll. Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: It's yeah. it's it's a recurring, right? It's a recurring thing. yeah. I mean as for being modern pagans or heathens, I I suppose it's we can discuss on how we could celebrate it or what we could do in these modern times although we're not farming right most of us are n some of us probably are farm farmers. I have a bunch of friends in in Denmark who are actually doing though they're having farmers or or they're farmers. so they can actually go into this cycle and they can do it quite literally. So for us who are like city girls and gals and persons, it's it's not so obvious. Like we we don't go out and sow actual crop, right, when when the time is right to or when when it's time to sow and we don't go and harvest stuff. But we can do it in other ways, right? We can go and okay, now if if like through the winter period and we ingestate like an idea or something or so, okay, this is what I want to actually grow and it doesn't have to be like a physical thing but something you want to do, something you want to bring into life for the next the next year cycle, then you can sew that idea out. You can put your energy into this and ritual. And then when you once you've done that, now when you ha now in Lamas and Lunasa, you can look at that what you have sown early, like the ideas, if it's ideas that you've had, if it's projects you want to work on. if it's self-betterment or self-actualization or growing in any way or whatever it is, and now would be a time where you could look at the first results. And if you have first results, right, what does that look like? have I actually gotten better at this skill? Have I become better at whatever it is, not giving a fuck, or better at being more compassionate, or better at actually using my creative processes and actually being creative instead of just letting it stagnate, right? So what has happened in this in this period, s you know, in this year period so far, what have I actually what can I now harvest in? Is there any sort of first small reward? But also looking at the fruits, right? Looking at okay, this first crop that I'm getting now, does it look good? Does it look healthy? You know, can I bring this further into the next seasons? So I think this is This is a might be one of many ways, but one of the the things that one could use this period to to reflect upon and to actually really look at, okay, you know, what did I actually what did I sow? Did it grow? Did it not grow? If it didn't grow, right, then maybe for the next cycle, okay, it needs more water, right? It needs more nourishment. but that that is that is one that is one thing you could do. Luigi: I also find it a good time, because I think obviously Lynn: You Luigi: summer is such a season, but I find it like a good time... How do I say this in a... in a proper way? Basically, I feel like in Summer Solstice in Litha, that's a period to fully go out, it's like the raving night, it's like, where? Hear me roar! Why that to me? Lynn: Mm-hmm. Boop, boop, boop. Luigi: Lunassa can still be a period of celebration utterly, Lynn: Hmm. Mm. Luigi: but it's because of the edges, know, because of the imminent arrival of the gates of autumn and therefore further on winter. picking, well, setting up the steps or the storage, you know, for whatever it will sustain you. Obviously, we can talk about it in very formal manners, know, like food, physically food, but you can also look at it from a psychological perspective as the subconscious or the conscious tools that you're going to need to get through the dark season, the darker periods. And because this is the preparation for it, there is an aspect of still enjoyment, still festivity, but reminiscing about what you're truly grateful for. Again, something that you can arguably bring in every single Sabbath, in every single celebration. But here, I find it more fitting somehow. Maybe even more fitting when I reflect on the myths, know, the sacrifices of the goddess, the sacrifices of the mother, the sacrifices of the previous generation. I think I was listening to some witchy podcasts as of recently, and they were talking about the honoring the ancestors. Again, something that you probably do. a saw and something that you probably do a you but very relevant here because of the connotation of the effort that took to bring forth the harvest, whether it's the present harvest or a what's the word I'm looking for a not cyclical necessarily, but you know, like a multi generational harvest. So thinking about the three of us, for example, and Who are the people that we came from, blood-wise and collective-wise? how many, forgive me the terms, how many shags it took to bring the three of us into existence, to perform the gifts and the aspirations that we have and we have performed? So I know I'm taking it maybe too far and wide, but it's something that I tend to ponder on during this Lunasa season. Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean that that's quite right. And I feeling like you say, I mean we the the the the land that we're working on, metaphorical or literal land, is all is possible because of the generations and generations and generations before us tilling the land and sowing and harvesting non harvesting and doing the process and making it optimizing it further. so that's also with a all the knowledge that we're having or the half knowledge or all these ideas in our head, right? We're taking it from things that came before us and distilling it and harvesting it, you know. So it's yeah. We we don't usually make up things that have nobody has ever made up before. Collective Amelie: Ha ha ha. Luigi: Truly, truly. Lynn: taking from things Giving it our own spin and then giving it on. Hm. Amelie: Yeah, I was thinking about when you said that people in the cities might not have that. But I think there's a few very lucky people that have allotments, for example, which is quite nice 'cause you have like that little harvest. It's like this little your own little farm that you that you do. And I guess a lot of people go there to the harvest. You can also have a little party there. But even if you don't have that, I think even going to Maybe supermarket is not is not the right place, but you can Luigi: He he. Amelie: go to like a farmer's market or something and get some good ingredients and like I don't know bake a bread like we were saying, or you can even if you have apple tree or pear tree or you go into the woods. I know in Sweden it's possible you can pick berries and things and you can make preserves, so it's more like material thing that you can do and you can actually implement that because if you're making preserves for example you can use it later on for Thanksgiving for example for Christmas so that would that's pretty cool too. Lynn: Absolutely. Absolutely. Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: Yeah. I mean that whole harvesting, like I have s also have some friends who go and pick stuff and I do a little bit, but I don't have the mental sustainability is not the quite the right word, but this thing of like, okay, I do this and then I make the next step and then I make the next step. My ADHD is just gonna be this the first step is done and then I forget about it. But Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: not not I mean not a farmer, not a f but anyway, i in the period now because you know obviously there's a different times in the year where you can actually pick things and some of them are much earlier than now but now is the time where the berries are ripe here and the apples start becoming, you know, right here. So it just is going out. I mean, even if you like live in the city and I think when I was living more in a c more city esque areas. I mean I'm living in the capital, but it's Austel so it doesn't count. There's forest everywhere. But when I used to live in like not so rural places. We would go to strawberry fields for example and pick strawberries. You know, it's like one of the heights of summer as a child, going to the strawberry fields and just like we're picking them but Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: we're eating them and then we're picking a bit. and that and then my mother my mom would make lots of jams out of everything. We would pick strawberries and and and other berries like everything. And I mean that's not as Luigi: Bye. Lynn: the season, right? We're going out now and there's raspberries out there and I pick and and there's blueberries are starting to come now, pick them and sometimes I make sometimes I make jam out of it. and then we eat it for until the next season. So yeah, mm. Luigi: I whether the... you know because it's very red fruit focused, let's leave the apples... not leave them aside, but because to me apples are very much of Mabon era, but Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Luigi: we can include them, but basically I was focusing about the raspberries, the strawberries, and that could be an aspect of... or a metaphor for the blood, you know, like the Lynn: Mm-hmm. Luigi: blood of the land, as in what the juice that comes out of the fruit once you... harvest it, collect it and make it into whatever we want to make it, conserve, jam, juice and whatnot. Why? Yeah, there is strawberry wine. Lynn: Wine. but that is also later, I guess, I think. Luigi: Yeah, no, no, true, but... No, because Amelie: Mm the nourishing blood. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Luigi: again, of this aspect of sacrifice, but I also wanted to mention, especially in correlation to our discussion of the previous video with the Five of Wands and the Season of Leo and... its connotation to the children, know, the fifth house and pleasures and games. Maybe that's also another aspect that has influenced this principle of this time of the year, we're playing games, we're having competition, we're gatherings and festivities. Like I wonder if it's all, I mean, I wonder, I have a gut feeling that yeah, it's, it all makes sense, it all checks out, but I don't want to sell it as the absolute truth. But I wonder again, whether this Leone season and energy has somewhat spreaded into all sorts of different traditions and you know systems and calendars all that rotate around having fun and celebrate and express utter gratitude and a pinch of folly perhaps you know I wonder, it just rotates around my mind and I'm like, hmmm... Lynn: then we go out and actually experience how hard it is to actually how much hard work it is to actually farm the crops and harvest them Luigi: Hmm. Lynn: by hand. yes, yes. A little we going that we we are so spoiled. But this is just the first Amelie: We are so spoiled. So spoiled. Lynn: harvest. There's you know like we go into the the the energy of Virgo and that's where we have in the the big harvest and collecting everything and yeah. So it's a bit more light hearted. I guess now it's a bit lighter. Mm-hmm. Luigi: Because I think in... I might be going wrong with the order, but I think it goes in order with the first harvest focusing on grain and corn and wheat. And then you got the second... Lynn: Well technically you have the grass first, right? You have the grass so you just coming from the hay month, but that is easier to reap, Luigi: Mmm. Lynn: you just you know, so we have the hay, and then we have the crops and then we have the fruits and of the earth as well. And and the vegetables. Luigi: Yeah, the fruits and the veg and then eventually the... I mean, I don't know, do we include the meat? You know, like when there is a time... Lynn: In October, yes. I mean Amelie: Meat is all year round. Lynn: yeah. At the hunting season in October, yeah. that's at the hunting months, just before winter. Luigi: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Lynn: Yes. Luigi: because you got the final harvest in that particular season prior Lynn: Mm. Luigi: to the winter, the heart of winter. Lynn: Mm. Luigi: So, yeah, so much to think about when it comes to the different traditions and what they symbolize in our daily life, in our modern life Lynn: Mm. Luigi: as well. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Luigi: I guess because it was so difficult to stay alive both from a perspective of, excuse me, longevity, but also from a perspective of motivation, I guess it was very important, it still is, Dongemi Romba, it was very important to celebrate that you had to have things to motivate you to get to the next day, get to the next cycle, to get to the next Lynn: Mm. Mm. Luigi: seasons of life, because otherwise, you know, like, you know how we, not easily, forgive the word easily, but you know how... There's a global pandemic of us stuck in a 9 to 5 and leading not necessarily fulfilling lifestyles that Lynn: Mm. Luigi: leads to a decline in mental health. Now we're taking the episode to a whole different direction, but I'm Amelie: Mm-hmm. Lynn: So good. Hmm. Mm. Luigi: comparing this as I wonder how it must have been when you really have to be with your hands on the ground, really work with the conditions of the weather and whatnot, the lack of technology even and whatnot. So again, creating the circumstances which are fun circumstances so that people will be relieved, they will be like, at least what I've done today paid off. It gave me, it allows me to enjoy this right now. Lynn: Yeah, but also markings of things is just so important and we don't do this that much anymore. So it's Luigi: Hmm. Lynn: just marking whew my words are failing me today, it's one of those days. But you said earlier Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: like tr in the other like transformation, but that's not what I mean. But when you go w from one state of life onto the other, like for example, you're a boy and now you're becoming a man, you're a girl, now you're becoming a woman. like these kinds of ceremonies for example. they used to have much more focus and they would really bring into well bring into focus, bring into light much more that the the changes in your own life cycle as well. And that was celebrated, which a lot of that we don't even look at now. It's just it just happens. It's just like, yeah, okay, you got your first period, whatever, okay. Or this and that happened. you're starting to grow a must Luigi: Moving on. Lynn: you're you're starting to grow a beard. Well whatever. Here's your shaving cream or whatnot, right? So It's not it's not celebrated when we could celebrate these very particular times. We celebrate birthdays, I guess, we celebrate that and then we have you know, but there's so much more that actually deserves to just take a break from what is mundane and from what is the the nine to five, like you say, from is what is the normal rhythm, you know, deserves to take a break, deserves to take a breath and revenance and attention. Especially now we're Luigi: Absolutely. Lynn: going especially in our time of age where attention really is of extreme rarity, scarcity and high value. Just you know, scroll, scroll, scroll. So yeah Luigi: Yeah, yeah, the attention deficit. Lynn: the attention deficit. So taking a timeout for anything that can have or has any type of value so important. So we can do it with the seasons, but any stage of life, I think we just have to celebrate it more. Take that take the time out and do something. Be be aware when we do it. Because I mean we can go like, okay, now this weekend I'm gonna take a timeout, I'm gonna go to the beach or whatever, right? But make it make yourself aware of what you're doing and you can make it ritualistic in that sense. Deepen its meaning. Luigi: absolutely Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: and forgive me the the terms but you know the Leo the Sun what else do they demand but attention you know like this this is a Lynn: Mm, that's that's right. Luigi: very much in on the nose I know but nonetheless Lynn: That's on the nose, yes. Luigi: nonetheless Lynn: Hm, that's very Amelie: But I think like Lynn: USK. Amelie: right now, well, the way we live now is just extremely unnatural. This whole nine to five thing and everything that we do, everything from the calendar to the the way we celebrate birthdays, all of this is just extremely unnatural because it just gives you a time. It's all about calculating. Nine to five. This is nine o'clock, five o'clock, I finished, da da da da and it's there's no like you said, there's no stopping. Also with the days, we just calculate we're going by the calendar, we're not going by the actual seasons. So I mean, does it actually really matter exactly how many days there are in a month? Because when it's cold, you know, it's autumn, so that's when autumn is. And it's the same thing with these things, when like you said, when you have when a woman gets her period, for example, it it doesn't happen like on a c a calendar day. It just happens on that day. Then you have to then that's the day. So in the way we live nowadays is just ex extremely unnatural and it's quite interesting, you know. Yeah, and it's interesting, you know, we just Lynn: Yeah, it's very unbalanced, un A rhythmic. A arhythmic. Amelie: exactly and it's to me, to me is a little bit i it's almost kind of similar the way a lot of people look at this the like s Sabbath as well because a lot of people say, today's the twenty first. This is the day. But it actually it maybe you should coincide with like a full moon. So it doesn't really matter if it's been celebrated on the eighteenth or on the twenty third or you know, it's it's it's slightly different every single year because Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: that full moon will be on a different day. And I know it's difficult as well because we have Mondays and weekends and weekdays and people work. So it's like, I can't celebrate it on that day 'cause I'm working so I have say, it's it's just very unnatural that way. Luigi: Hmm Lynn: Yeah. We should really yeah, we should really be able to have red days like the pagan days, just when things actually happen, be allowed to take a day off them. That would be amazing. I advocate for that. Luigi: So it's funny because I looked into it. This has become such a modern conversation of other episodes. But I looked into it Lynn: Mm-hmm. Jeff. Amelie: Mm. Luigi: with my manager and they had me look into the policy of our organization and they said it's at the discretion of the manager. So if the manager, have a good one in my situation at least, and if you have a good one that understands the reason why I want them off or I need adjustment to my time, then yeah. But if they're not on board, then you go without or you have to... apply for holiday, which is, makes sense, it's reasonable. I just feel like because they don't, you don't get so many holiday, so much holiday allowance and Lynn: Yeah, you don't. Luigi: you want to use it cleverly, so speaking. Because although like I am very dedicated and devoted to my craft and to my Pantheon and whatnot, it is hard work, you know, like to create a ritual, to... display yourself vulnerable in front of your deities and do all the reflections and the channeling So although it's something that I'm deeply grateful for I wouldn't necessarily call it a holiday, you know, like Garçon another one, please, you know, like it's not on the same level. That's me saying Yes Lynn: No, but it's a holy day. Yes, but it's a holy day. It's a sacred day that you should be able to if you are in any way like r religious or following some sort of faith, should be able to celebrate that. And our Luigi: Exactly. Lynn: calendars just have the holidays and the red days according to the Abrahamic or the Christian religion. so Christians will get off and some you know some stories they close because it's the so and so and so. It's like Virgin Mary doing whatever. Like and then we're we get a day off and I'm like, I could work that day because it doesn't mean anything to me. I'm not gonna go to church. I'm not you know, but I can't because it's closed. So I can and then I do not get an extra day off just because I actually have a holiday on another day. And that's what like the imbalance is. and I think they're they're doing it for the Abrahamic religions. They're being more l not lenient but you know like even like other Abrahamic relations are getting their days off if they're having something that's happening. Luigi: more accommodating. Lynn: Yeah, they're more accommodating, Amelie: Mm. Lynn: thank you. But not so much for a slightly more underground pagan. Luigi: the pagans and the heathens. Amelie: It's just which is which is really crazy, to be honest, thinking about it because we were here first. Like that was here first, right? Lynn: Yes, I mean that for sure. Luigi: Yeah, it makes me think Lynn: But yeah. Luigi: unrelated, but it makes me think about the real on Instagram and probably in other platforms. It's about this content creator that there is a gathering about the solstice and then people come in and take over. First, I am not explaining it very well, I am not doing it justice, but it's like all the people that came over and took over the pagan traditions. and it's just a very funny video. If I can find it, we can link it into our video, but it made me think of it like the chronological order, you know, like everything. Lynn: There's always somebody who came before, right? Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: But to to bind it back to what you said, Amelie, with that it's so n unnatural and that there's like no real rhythm. one of those things like that you said, we we have celebrations with subs that align with the sun. they need the solstices and the equinoxes, right? And we have some that align more with the moon and traditionally those have been counted more like, Okay, we're doing it, it's the the first full moon after the so and so, so and so or after the equinox and after that and that's when we used to celebrate. And then to make it simpler that just shows okay, we're just doing the first the the the first certain date that's closest to it and then they're stuck with it. But even not getting we're not getting those off either. Some of those. But also with that arrhythmia that you were talking about, this is how I think we can use these these Sabbaths to get us back into a rhythm, to get us back into that, okay, boom, now actually this is happening. 'Cause I mean we do get into our headslight, we you do get into our lives. We do it like it was just midsummer, you know, and now suddenly it's it's lamas, you know, it's like, yeah, and then you can focus again on that and bring it back and bind it back into your ceremonial life. So yeah. Luigi: I am very curious though if you're able to talk about this. What is, because I completely I haven't memorized the calendar of the runes yet. What would be the rune that falls under the season of Lunasa? Lynn: Putting me on the spot. Barcana, I would say. Luigi: and that's, Arcana. I know it. Lynn: That's birch, that's very that's yeah, that's very feminine. But I should probably look it up before I say it because that was a little bit spontaneous, but I think that's correct. 'Cause you're having but it depends on how soft you have the wheel, but if you're having algae at there not should be bacana and then we have the lake lagus for mamble. Mm. Luigi: one of my favorites Lynn: Yes. They're both very Luigi: Shall we reveal... Absolutely Shall we reveal Amelie's card? Well, the Lynn: they're all nice. Yes, shall we shall we reveal a c Yes? Luigi: card for the episode Lynn: Card for the episode. Amelie: Thank God my sound is back. Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: I lost you guys for a second. What do you think it is? Luigi: Is this solar... yeah Lynn: It doesn't Luigi: is this solar related at all? Do you think? Amelie: No. Lynn: No. So it's not actually something Leo that would make total sense. Amelie: Yeah, doesn't really make total sense to me, actually, no. Lynn: No, it doesn't. No. No, okay. Then let's just reveal it because if it doesn't. Luigi: Z a minor. Amelie: It's a minor, yeah. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Is it Luigi: Okay, I'm guessing if it doesn't make total sense, maybe it's a sword card. Lynn: Yes, I also think it's a swords. Yeah, it's a swords. Is it the eight? Amelie: Yep, it is definitely a sword. Luigi: Ooh, what sort do we invoke? Amelie: No, but it's very close. Lynn: Seven. Luigi: Nine. Lynn: it's a nine. It's a seven. It's a seven. Okay. Okay. Show us show us a pretty card. Amelie: It's a seven. Seven. It's a seven. You know what? The seven of swords maybe Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: doesn't make too much sense, but in this deck, it's pretty. Because it's 7 of air Luigi: Thank you. Amelie: and apparently she's a shapeshifter. And what I Lynn: Ooh. Amelie: remember Luigi: low-key. Amelie: from the description of this deck is that the fairies in the back here, they're like the council. So I think it's one fairy for each element. Luigi: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I can see the symbols. Lynn: But it's a beautiful day. Luigi: Mm-hmm. But yeah, the Seven of Swords. Amelie: It's the Phyrhexa Thorodact, if anyone wants to know. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Forhaksa. Amelie: for Hexa. Lynn: Bewitched, right? Basically. Luigi: He's so talented. Amelie: Yeah. Luigi: I forgot. Is he MJ? MJ, I forgot his name. Cunningham. Cunningham. But yeah, she's Amelie: Yes, yeah, Kallinen, Kallinen. Luigi: incredibly talented. One of Amelie: Mmm. Luigi: my favorite deck of hers is the Crow Star. That's so Lynn: Mm. Luigi: beautiful. I can see to an extent some resonance with the Seven of Air, Seven of Swords and our conversations. Because I was thinking about... I know that the focus on the battle between the Oak and the Holy Kings came more in theme during Letha and some solstice, but we're still seeing the products of it, if you will. It's still in Lunasa. So guess it can be an aspect of the Seven of Air or the Seven of Swords in this season where we're still dealing with the... I don't know if action and consequences is right way to put it, but the causes and effects of the cyclical season and although we're still in a season of power and life, the knowledge that we're walking, rolling, rowing, flying, whatever method toward the later season, the darker season, the winter season, the night season, the night... And that can be another aspect of the Seven of Air. I know there is a key meaning of the secrecy levels of the Seven of Swords in general and that can be like a resistance like I'm not ready to come forth in the Kingdom of the Shadows let me how do I retain my place in the Kingdom of the Sun and bask in its beauty and essence that can be something that I list my unpicking up from the Seven of Air but what do you guys think? Lynn: So I this is the first time ever I'm seeing this car in this deck. but the what struck me with the combination of the seven of like airs or sours or whatever it is, it seems very resonant to what we just talked about like in the last few minutes of our of the of the part with how the pagans don't really get that their the time to celebrate the sabbaths or being out of rhythm. And it it looks like from what I see from the card with this this lady clearly, like this pagan or Celtic lady, being submerged in s it looks like she's like just half covered or like submerged in the earth and and then people Luigi: foliage. Lynn: yeah, and then others judging her. So it seems like the witch Luigi: Yeah Amelie: Yes! Lynn: to who wants to, you know, go into that celebration and wants to merge with the earth and the elements and wants to be in her spiritual self and and wants to be able to embrace it and then a background is just like them like, no, you know what? It's it's nine to five and it's not the season of the witch. And so so I I I'm kind of getting these associations in combination with what we talked about. this trying to establish and trying to go and work with the energies and the rhythm of nature and then just being something else, being there, being like, yeah, no, we're making it difficult for you. So the traditional the traditional depiction of the the Smith deck, with the person taking these swords from camp, or you have this idea of like maybe he's stealing from camp or he's like in between to fighting sides and is trying to make it a bit difficult for the others or whatever. There's so many interpretations. But yeah, this kind of level of secrecy and of working against of of of doing things against what the the common plebs Luigi: the establishment. Lynn: establishment do. So you you go and you're working against them, you're doing something else, you're doing something different, you're trying to or trying to establish that even. So that's kind of like the the pagans trying to do their their holidays and trying to go back into the rhythm while the the rhythm of the world and society is very contradictor very well contra that, right? Contradicting that and trying, you know, so there's this push pull that energy. so I think that fits actually. It fits doesn't fit to Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: the season, but it fits to the struggle that we we're Luigi: Struggle. Lynn: talking we're talking about. yeah. So it's yeah. Beautiful thing. Luigi: Yeah, also, Amelie: She's trying to Luigi: it's- Amelie: sneak away from work. She actually has to go to her nine to five, but she's sneaking away. Yeah. Luigi: She's going into the Sabbath. But I wonder, Lynn: She's she's going the south, she's like no. Luigi: because she's also been drawn by her Aquarian alike, Amelie, you know, so I Lynn: Mm-hmm. Yes. Luigi: don't know. Do you remember which one is your Deacon of birth, Amelie? Is it the five, six or seven of sorts? Amelie: Six of swords. Six Lynn: Is it a six? Luigi: okay, okay. Amelie: of swords, yeah, six of swords. Yeah. Lynn: Yeah. That's the better one. That's the easier one. Luigi: Lucky you. Amelie: Phew! But yeah, she's supposed Lynn: Okay, well yeah. Luigi: I am. Amelie: to... the lady is supposed to be a shapeshifter. Lynn: Mm. Luigi: Mm-hmm. She does look Amelie: So hence why I think she's kind of submerged. Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: So she's Luigi: in the foliage. Amelie: like one. Yeah, she's one with the... with the earth. Lynn: We strive to be for Luigi: with the leaves. Lynn: the leaves. Okay. Well, any last words? Luigi: Now thank you for this beautiful exploration of Lunasa and I hope that we all and you all get and us all we get to spend a beautiful Lunasa season. Lynn: Definitely reflect a little bit on what we we are harvesting. Yeah. Take some time out. Yeah. Revenant. Amelie: bake some bread Lynn: Bake some bread. Get the bun in the oven. Well we'll think. Luigi: Yeah, I'm in the oven. Lynn: Okay. Okay, bun Amelie: Put a bun in the oven. Lynn: in the oven. That's the word of the day. dear. Okay, well, thanks for listening, guys. like subscribe comment below you can find our link tree below as well if you'd like to buy us a coffee or a chocolate bar or whatever else fits fits the occasion thanks so much for joining and blessed be see you next time Luigi: Blessed be. Amelie: Bye.