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Ride into Wellness: Sustainable Health with Belinda Norton · Zone2Speak Podcast

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And now for the episode.
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Welcome to this episode of Zone to Speak.
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Today, I'm joined by the incredible Belinda Norton, a sustainable health and
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fitness educator, author, Australian well-being magazine presenter,
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and advocate for living a balanced and active lifestyle.
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With a Bachelor of Physical Education and years of experience helping others
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achieve lasting wellness, Belinda
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has dedicated her career to teaching the principles of sustainable health.
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From writing and speaking to leading by example, she inspires people around
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the world to embrace fitness, nutrition, and movement as part of a balanced life.
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In this episode, we dive into Belinda's expertise in fitness,
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exploring how cycling supports sustainable health and well-being.
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She shares practical advice on
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creating long-term health habits and her philosophy on balanced nutrition.
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Whether you're a seasonal cyclist or just beginning your health journey,
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Belinda's insights will motivate and empower you to make a sustainable change.
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So, clip in, get comfortable, and let's ride into this conversation with the
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incredible Belinda Norton. Welcome to the podcast.
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Hi. Thank you. Thank you. What an introduction. Thank you.
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Thanks so much for having me. I'm really excited. Oh, thank you.
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I know it's like 5 a.m. your time. It's 7 p.m. here in Spain.
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How's the Gold Coast? your account is always so
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beautiful with those beautiful sunrises and
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the ocean well it's actually raining and windy today so it's lucky that we're
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not outside doing a live right now yeah that yeah that so um i don't know i
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don't think anybody will be out on their bikes this morning everyone everyone
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will be on wind trainers or yeah on zwift probably.
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So, tell us what is sustainable health, what its principles, and how...
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They apply to everyday life. So sustainable health is being well and healthy
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body, mind and soul that you are able to do around your personal lifestyle.
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So around your personal routine.
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When I write on sustainable health, I actually find out what the person's job
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is, including children,
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what activities do they need to go through each day that they can sustainably
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maintain their health and wellness around that.
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Yeah, that makes total sense. I also think that if you try to do things that
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are so out of reach, the word itself is just not sustainable.
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So it's great to have people like you that really look into your lifestyle,
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what's within your reach and community and likes and dislikes to make those
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changes possible, achievable.
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And what What inspired you to dedicate your career to sustainable health?
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It seems exactly looking at your environment also.
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For example, my weather here on the Gold Coast is mostly mild and quite beautiful,
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whereas obviously my best friend,
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she lives in Andorra, so her weather is incredibly tricky to work around.
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So I think those type of aspects, they all need to be taken into account when
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we're looking at a sustainable health routine.
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Absolutely, 100%. and what inspired you to follow this journey and dedicate
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your career to sustainable health and fitness education?
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I used to be a triathlete so riding my bike, running, swimming and everything
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that is involved in triathlon was my life.
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I always sought to think that there was a more quality way to train so when
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I did my degree I also delved into multiple levels of other different types of sport,
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how that worked for your body, and obviously the biomechanics of it and nutrition
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of sport in different sports.
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So with that being said, that's where I wanted to find a way that was quality
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over quantity, especially when I finished racing.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I actually started nutrition as well when I was in my mid-late 30s.
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And I also have a triathlon background, but it was because I couldn't understand
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what was right and there were so many mixed information out there,
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Yeah, it's so overcomplicated. Nutrition is overcomplicated and so is training
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now, especially with social media. We are bombarded with so much information about it.
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And just to simplify it, especially being a teacher, I just wanted to simplify
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it for kids because they really bombarded.
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So I started to streamline it in that way to make it simple for adults too.
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Yeah, I saw that I have a program for teens to get active as well. Teen, tribe.
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Tribe? Yeah.
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How do you do it? Because, I mean, I'm a mom and it's so hard to get,
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you know, some teens are super active, but some teens, it's not easy to convince them to do something.
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My daughter was always active, but then she got to an age, she didn't want to do anything.
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And I told her, if you don't pick a sport, I'll pick for you.
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So, yeah, your choice. So she ended up picking a sport, but there was all these
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consequences that would have to be like, if you miss practice,
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I'm going to deduct from my allowance or something like that to keep her going. So what's your secret?
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Being involved with them. So I use activity or sport or cooking or nutrition
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with them as a connecting activity.
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So where we're connecting, whether it be talking or feeling good with one another
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or encouraging one another.
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So still to this day, when my children were first born, we would run in the
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pram together. Then it went to scooters and bikes together.
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And then now my daughter doesn't know any different, but running with me first thing in the morning.
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And she now knows and feels it with her and inside her that it's like,
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I feel so much better when I do this with you, mum.
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And then we'll come home and we'll connect by having breakfast and coffee together.
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And I think that's how it works. My son, though, is entirely different.
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So don't, you know, it is different, vice versa. So I do have both sides of it.
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He's probably more active with swimming. I won't swim in the morning.
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I'll run in the morning. So it's hard. It's working out each person's routine
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and joining in with one another, especially with our kids. Yeah.
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Yeah. No, you're lucky you get to do those things with your kids. Yeah.
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My daughter, she's not into any of the sports I do, but we do cook together.
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We do a lot of things together.
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So that's some bonding there. And I hope I can rubbing, you know,
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some of my health lifestyles into her.
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Cause I also, I have so much of me that came from my mom too,
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because my mom wasn't active, but she was always like on a microbiotic diet.
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You know, my house was always like whole grain, everything.
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And I remember going to sleepovers and I just loved going to sleepovers because
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they had like white bread and white rice.
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People didn't understand. But yeah, because my house didn't have sugar or anything like that.
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Yeah. And I think that's also part of the sustainability. Like what didn't work
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for us when we were children where the balance was and how are we going to change
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those cycles and how are we going to best help?
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Like what would have helped us at that stage?
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So now what's going to help our children moving forward, I think.
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And that's one bonus of our age category and our generation.
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We are actually the cycle breakers to this. We're this sandwich generation really
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making big changes for our kids' mental and body health.
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Absolutely. That's so true. That's so true.
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And you also wrote a book called Fit Mama. I think it's your latest.
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Yeah. Fit Mama was one of my first books, the latest one. Oh, okay.
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Yeah. No, they're all called Fit Something, so don't worry at all.
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So Fit and Flexible is the latest one, but it's called an e-zine.
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So it's a magazine that we sell through Wellbeing Magazine, and it's a fresh
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new program, probably a little bit more like it's more updated.
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Fit Mama is definitely like the base Bible of information. If you're first coming
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out of having a child, what is the best situation for you trying to cope,
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trying to gather? You've got small children.
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What's the best way to do things is definitely Fit Mama.
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Fit and Flexible is more coming into now that new body, that new mindset,
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I suppose somatic exercises to understanding the numbness in ourself.
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So that's an exciting publication also. Yeah, that's very exciting because there's
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so much talk about flexibility related to longevity as well. Is that right?
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Yeah, correcting and anti-aging essentially.
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Obviously, there was that time, you know, where that bulk muscle used to be,
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it used to be all about endurance, but now we're really looking at that whole
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body, maintaining flexibility,
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maintaining, and somatic exercises are definitely going to be the new thing for 2025.
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I know that I've already written that first article for that.
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And somatic is obviously for, you know, those people that don't know,
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is just listening to your body and taking that time to have proper breath within your body.
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What we've found across the world is a numbness.
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We've forgotten to feel how we digest food. We've been in such a rush to eat,
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to nourish, to just do things.
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We've forgotten to feel how our muscles move, how we stand up with our posture.
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So yeah, moving back to that, I'm very, very excited about.
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That's exciting. You need to share with me the links for the article.
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I would love to have it on the description of the podcast and to read it myself. Terrific stuff.
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And talking about that, what would be your goal to tips for building endurance
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and strength for a cyclist and incorporating flexibility, somatic exercises
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into the cyclist routine?
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Yeah. So obviously cycling, there's a lot of time on the bike.
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So obviously continuing with the program
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that you've got to do for your cycling program but it's
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also you must maintain that stretch and flexibility
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so I would be suggesting at least three to four stretch sessions a week and
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then gathering those resistance sessions whether it be with weights in a gym
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I know with running and cycling weight training absolutely changed the way that my body moved.
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It changed my balance in my hips. It changed my strength in my legs.
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It's so important to add weight training to any cycling routine and flexibility
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being a yoga or a Pilates definitely helped.
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Yeah, I used to be much more flexible.
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I mean, obviously, I'm also getting older, but I feel like with the cycling,
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you know, you get so stiff, especially on the hip flexors.
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Are there any specific exercises or routines you would recommend for cyclists
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to improve performance and prevent injuries?
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Definitely jumping on the ground as often as possible and stretching out those hips.
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I would use some bands also. There's a variety of activity,
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there's a variety of exercises that should be done,
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especially for the lower body and the hips but
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obviously the main yoga stretches across the hips and hip flexors and lower
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back I think are the number one thing that has to happen every single day as
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soon as you get off the bike while you're warm or even have a shower and then
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definitely begin a stretch routine off the bike for your hips and lower back.
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And what do you think just 10, 15 minutes is enough of a stretch after like
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a two-hour, three-hour bike ride?
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Oh, look, yeah. If you can do 10, 15 minimum, but definitely up to a half an
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hour one while you're still nibbling and still rehydrating, I think is key to
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maintaining that mobility.
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Obviously, the better that our, well, the more malleable our hip flexors are,
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then the better our performance and then the better that we can load upon that with training.
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So it is actually the key. Being flexible through the lower back and hips is
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going to improve your performance level massively.
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Yeah. When I was more consistent doing mobility, strength, flexibility exercises, I had zero pain.
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And now I'm starting to suffer again and I really need to get back to it.
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It's just getting to the rhythm and that's why also I'm asking about the time
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because time is also a challenge to fit, you know, talking about sustainability.
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So how do I fit in my training and all these like extras that you have to do to maintain that?
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Being stronger, but also maintaining your health, like, you know, the flexibility.
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So that's why I was asking, is 15 minutes enough? Because it's so hard to fit everything in.
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Yeah, that's right. I'm thinking elite athlete, you would spend at least 20 minutes.
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But if, you know, depending on what you can actually fit in,
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I think just doing your five to 10 minutes, for example, on a weekday for myself,
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I will go running early in the morning, then I'll come back.
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And then I only have 10 minutes to stretch.
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I don't have any longer than that. That's my longest. So within that time,
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I'll make sure that I get, make sure that I'm breathing through the stretch.
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I think it's really important to make sure that all those senses are on when you're doing it.
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So again, it's quality over quantity where you really do stay in that moment.
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You know, you're not stretching, scrolling on your phone at the same time paying a bill.
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You're stretching your body, you know, And I think that's what we do as mums.
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We add so much in and then we're not actually doing the activity that we're
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trying to do essentially first very well.
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We're sort of doing it around. Yeah, totally.
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Well, good. Something's better than nothing, but being present, it's very important.
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Taking those deep breaths and really working the stretches. Correct, correct.
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You touched a little bit when you talked about getting off the bike and start
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to hydrate and nourish and getting those stretches.
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I know you're also a nutritionist. What's your philosophy on nutrition for cyclists?
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Look, I think it's philosophy for nutrition for every single body,
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which is eat as many vegetables as you possibly can.
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Make sure that you're getting in great, clean proteins.
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Nutrition is key to everything for every single body.
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Obviously, limiting sugars and dairies is definitely what I try to do for my body.
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I don't cope very well with dairies. So I think that definitely is the most important thing.
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Nutrient-wise for an athlete, it obviously depends on what your schedule is
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again, like working specifically with each person's body, but maintaining that hydration,
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even saltwater hydration, electrolytes are definitely key.
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And then, so if we're just looking at a base scope of things,
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it's just making sure that you're eating good food, good nutrients and minerals consistently.
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Yeah, it's when we try and go for grab fast things because we're just famished.
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We've got off the bike, for example, and we're like, I'm starving.
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I want – and we do. We hunt for sugars and we hunt for salt and we hunt for
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anything that we can possibly –.
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So pre-preparing is so important. So what I'll do before I actually go out on
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a ride is I'll make sure that I've got something there when I get back that
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I can grab straight away too.
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So it's sitting in the fridge. I've already made it.
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So it might be, for example, a whole grain wrap with lots of veggies,
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some, you know, leftover roast chicken in there and it's ready to go and I'll eat that.
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I think that's really important for anyone and that's able to then sustain that
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health as opposed to making those really key little mistakes that we tend to
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make because we're in that rush again.
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Yeah, that's very good advice. And you beat me to it because I was going to
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ask if you have any pulse ride meal that works for you.
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So that's a great idea, you know, to like prep.
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So when you get home, you know, you're going to be starving.
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So you don't just grab the first thing you're, you know, you're craving,
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like you said, salt or sugar.
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Any pre-ride go-to that you have as a favorite?
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Oh, definitely banana and coffee. Yeah.
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Oh, you know, I think that's what we all tend to do. I think that's a worldwide thing, isn't it?
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Where we'll grab some fruit and we all have, you know, a piccolo or espresso
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or whatever it is of some kind, obviously hydrating at the same time.
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Yeah, I'll generally have some oats, some yogurt and some fruit before I ride.
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I like to have quite a neutral first beginning meal.
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If it's a later ride in the day, then I would have had definitely protein,
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beans, some eggs, some greens, mushrooms, et cetera, and then on some gluten-free bread.
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I'll load a lot then and then maybe have an hour in between and then hit a long
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ride. You're making me hungry.
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And do you have a simple framework or tips to maintaining a balanced diet without
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falling into restriction or extremes?
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Yeah, definitely. And this is one thing.
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I have maintained, I think, the same pretty much food lifestyle diet for my entire career.
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So I'll start with as soon as I wake up in the morning, even before I run or
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before I would used to ride or swim, I would hydrate banana coffee.
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Go. When I'd come back, I'd call it second breakfast, which would be those eggs, a protein, et cetera.
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Or then I would have an oats yogurt.
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Morning tea, I always have the same type of thing, which is a pre-prepared little jar.
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I have them on my website and on everything that I do all the time.
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I love those because they're prepped, they're in the fridge, they're at work.
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My kids take them where they're going. They're in that jar, they're that perfect portion,
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they're layered up and they're delicious and it's
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not even expensive it's frozen berries and then
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it's obviously some yogurt whether it be greek or coconut yogurt and whatever
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homemade granola or homemade oats or whatever can be you know can be eaten for
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gluten-free it's a bit different so trying a gluten-free type of one lunch is
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always a salad whether it be tuna high protein and or it will be a wrap.
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Lots of quinoa at lunch I will always tend to add to.
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And then in the afternoon, it will be either some fruit again or some hummus
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or some vegetables there.
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Sometimes I'll have a protein shake at that time or a smoothie at that time,
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depending on where I'm at within the sugars during the day.
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And then nighttime, it's definitely that same type of run through of the different
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menus and dinner options.
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Obviously, loads of veggies and high protein for dinners.
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Yeah, I eat very similar, so I'm glad I'm doing, I think I'm doing it.
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Yeah, you would definitely do it.
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I do struggle sometimes to get enough protein, so I'm trying to top it up like
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you with protein shake, depending where I am on the day with my nutrition.
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Yeah, yeah. And it is hard when we're a busy working mum, trying to fit in those.
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And again, And we just do the best that we can.
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Like I like to think that it is very much that 80-20, 80% of the time I will
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do exactly the right thing.
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You know, this time of year is particularly hard being close to Christmas,
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working, there's options in front of you.
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Oh, you've got to go to this and, you know, they've got something that you wouldn't
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normally eat, but, you know, you join in because it's part of it, et cetera.
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So it's obviously 80-20 rule. Yeah, that's a good road to live by because I
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think that's why some people make mistakes.
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And I was going to ask you, you know, what are the common mistakes you see people
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making when they're pursuing a health lifestyle? How can they avoid them?
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Because I feel like a lot of people just restrict everything and then you crack.
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At a certain point. Yeah, restriction really doesn't work.
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I did, you know, for a long time when I was racing, it was very much analyzed
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and calorie counted and, you know, macronutrients here and how everything is
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working within the body.
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And, you know, if you're an athlete, I agree that, you know,
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you do need to be so specific as to what's going into your system.
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But when you are not, I think it's too much mindset taken over with analyzing
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and it actually starts to be a detriment to your total lifestyle because it
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needs to be that balanced sustainability around food.
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And you need to just love and accept yourself for living.
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We don't want to take away that
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joy of actually living and saying yes to beautiful things in our life.
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Having a glass of wine because you've ridding your bike to a winery.
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You know, having that piece of beautiful homemade cheesecake that's been made.
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I just, you know, I really think that it needs to still have joy.
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You know, life needs to be joyously lived. Absolutely, absolutely.
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And besides the 80 to any rule, are there any ways that you would suggest for
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staying consistent with fitness and health routines?
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Well, definitely having a routine set that you can do.
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So, this is making sure that you write down, so you write down all the things
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that must be completed for the day.
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So, around your job, around, you know, children, okay, where can I fit in that one hour or two hours?
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For me, essentially, it's a two hour every day where I will train and then obviously
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food around that. So, for that, most people should be at least one hour per day.
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So, it's consistently understanding that you are doing this for the betterment
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of you, for the betterment of your mindset, of your body. A lot of people think this.
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And it depends on, you know, where you've grown up as to be,
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you know, almost guilt that you have to do this in this way.
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And for many women, you know, around the world also, it's that guilt of,
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oh, but you're leaving the children to go and do this for you.
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No, you know, you must do this for you. You are just as important.
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You must love the way that your body moves in every way, shape and form.
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I think also accepting the body changes that we go through, especially as a
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female, as a female athlete, as a female cyclist.
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You know, one week we'll be performing at a certain level and the next week
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we won't, whether it be around our hormones or whether it be,
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you know, around our sleep patterning.
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I think accepting where we are at that day and accepting and having gratitude
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for the way that even our body changes, you know, through our life.
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I think it's really important. Yeah, you touched on something that it's true.
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And I see because a lot of people ask me as well, you know, there's the mom guilt,
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but there's also the guilt of not honoring your body or where you are,
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especially for women, because we have a cycle and there are days that you might
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feel a little bit more tired and you don't want to go out and get your exercise done.
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And it's okay. You're not going to lose fitness because of one
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or two days but there's that guilt you
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know so there's the guilt both ways on not doing
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something for yourself or the guilt of go and do it and having the guilt of
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not being with your family yeah it's incredibly tricky for females because we
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are you know we are coming from that cycle of our mothers of what the what we
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had to do and we very much Like I was saying,
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the cycle breakers of everything happening forward for our daughters,
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for the women of the world.
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And I think we need to make sure that we honour our bodies in that way we accept how we are.
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Like, for example, you know, our bodies change in our – as, you know,
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we sometimes feel heavy and loaded and, you know, even cellulity.
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For many women, we change through that and we judge it so harshly.
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So I think we need to, you know, women need to lift women up too.
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That's so important right now because, and that's also a part of being a cycle
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breaker there because we see and hear so often still women tearing down others
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and not saying, wow, look at you go, you know.
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We'll see influencers doing something or, and I just find it so saddening to
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see when people do that to one another.
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I said, well, you know, why do you do that? And we know that that is that projection
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from inside that that's what we've been told we should do, what we've seen happen.
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So we need to stop ourselves before that happens. Yeah.
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And I hope, you know, the new generation is able to break the cycle because
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it is something that I don't understand as women, why we're not as united.
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Men, I feel that they are much more united that way where women aren't.
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And it's hard to feel sometimes welcoming to a new group or even at work.
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Sometimes you go to work and your male colleagues are much more,
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you know, generally speaking but are more welcoming or
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you know not so much with a guard up and
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you know you have to prove yourself or i
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don't know to fit in yeah so it'd
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be great if we can eventually be a more united
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group yeah and one
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thing that i definitely do all the time i will ask women
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you know what you know i will point blanket say to them and make feel make women
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feel comfortable in saying what is it that makes you feel threatened or that
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makes you want to compete or what is it about that feeling right now?
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Let's sit with that for a second.
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For some women, they can acknowledge it and they can go forward on it.
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For many, they're not quite there yet. But I think we need to start having this
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really big discussion about why we can't lift each other up.
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Is it because we're competing for men?
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Is it because what is the actual reason around the competition?
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And we know men tear us down all the time, which they do, you know,
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they will be the first to pick on it and generally women jump on board.
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But what is it about that, that projection
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that we jump on that we don't automatically defend another woman?
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Why do we feel like we have to compete then to get that male's attention?
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I think that's a really big part that we need to work forward through.
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Yeah, that's a good question. It's good to ask yourself and ask others and hopefully
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break the cycle because we're not doing each other any favors by putting each
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other down or judging each other.
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That's right. That's right. And it's, yeah, it's astounding. Yeah.
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Yeah. So we've all got to help one another and just say, why did that happen?
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Let's not do that anymore.
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And I think we can really change the world by doing it.
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Absolutely. We'll be much stronger. Yeah. You can do so much more,
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you know, it's, it's cliche, but you know, like you can go so far along,
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but you can go so much further, you know, as a group and it's,
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it's so true. Yeah, that's exactly right.
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You said you you have a triathlon background in sports
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do you still ride your bike oh yeah
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definitely I'm just on a mountain bike at the moment because
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I find that it's just for where I am as opposed
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to a road bike I'm meant to
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be coming to do a ride in Italy but I'll just
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I'll just borrow a bike when I get over there
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because obviously you know you have so it's so easy
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to gather bikes so uh
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so yeah right now yeah that's
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yeah so I'll ride uh I'll ride either stationary bike
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during the week because I just don't have time around work or
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I'll do a bike session that way but um on the weekends I'm
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out on my bike but riding trails or
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gravel oh nice how nice yeah I used to try
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it a lot like I said but now I'm mainly gravel I do have
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a road bike it's nice sometimes just to go on tarmac and not be watching out
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for you know rocks but I just love gravel so much just you know it just feels
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a little bit more connected to nature than road and usually there are less cars
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or no cars and it's so nice.
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Yeah exactly I think so many triathletes now we've all switched over to gravel
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just because of the amount that we had to deal with with cars and abuse on the
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road, I don't know how you,
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you know, I'm not sure what you have to deal with but I definitely know within
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Australia we have, you know, a lot of people throw abuse and hurl abuse at us,
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not particularly here on the Gold Coast and by the coastal side because there's a lot of cyclists,
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But definitely city-wise, yeah, so it's dangerous.
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Yeah, very dangerous, yeah. No, in Spain, I mean, where I am,
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Costa Brava, the cars, most of the time they are very good sharing the road with the cyclists.
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It's still dangerous, of course, because you're sharing the road with a car.
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But most of the time the bicycles are respected.
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But I lived in New York and Miami and forget it.
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You have to be so, so, so careful. And I lived in Dubai as well,
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but there you are not supposed to really cycle on the road.
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They have a lot of nice tracks that you can go to and it's just for bikes.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. I heard Dubai did that. I need to actually, that needs to be
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one of the things on the list. Yeah.
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Places to guide. Yeah. Yeah, actually, you know, I mean, Dubai is famous for,
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you know, the luxury dining and nightlife, etc.
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But the cycling there, it's pretty nice. I love it.
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You know, they have cycling track in the middle of the desert and you're just
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riding through the dunes. There are no cars.
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It's really, really special. I love it.
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Oh, I need to do that. Yeah. And they also planted, I don't know, what's the number?
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I don't know if it's 10,000 or 30,000 trees and created this beautiful park.
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It's called Musharif Park.
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And they did a mountain bike trail as well.
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And you have like the green, the blue, and the red.
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People say, oh, it's not that difficult, but still, it's a trail in the middle
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of the desert with trees. You don't even feel like you're in a city.
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It's really nice. And they are starting to try to combine now all the trails
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so you can go from one place to the other is quite nice and
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Wow. Okay. I'm adding that now to the list.
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Yeah. You know, if you go to Italy, you can have a quick stop there.
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Yeah, that's exactly right on the way over. Yeah.
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Yeah. Where are you writing in Italy?
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I'm going with Emma. So I'm not quite sure there's a tour that we're going to
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do. She's testing it out.
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So we, yeah, she got married in Tuscany.
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So we're going to head, I think, through that direction and where she was over there.
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So maybe probably Luca and Siena and Florence probably heading up through there.
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Nice. It's going to be beautiful. I was there a couple of years ago in Tuscany
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and was riding through Siena area as well.
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And you can't go wrong. It's really, really beautiful.
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Lots of ups and downs, the hills. So there's a lot of climbing,
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but it's gorgeous. And the food is amazing.
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My husband wants to go 2025 to the Dolomites.
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We haven't been there so we'll see if we make that happen oh
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I hope so for you I definitely hope yeah any
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so I was going to ask you if you have any adventures that you're working towards
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but I think it's Italy or is there anything else no definitely Italy would be
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number one I'm meant to be heading over to Andorra so I'll definitely have a
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look there and then also well now well I might add on Dubai to that.
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So, and any dream cycling trip anywhere in the world, where would be?
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Oh, well, I have to, I have to come to Spain anyway. So I would love to,
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I would love to check that out.
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I've never been to Spain. So I would, you know, I've got a couple of friends
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who were here and then obviously Emma who lived there for a little while.
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So, yeah, I'd love to get there also.
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Yeah, you'll love it here. Let me know if you ever come. I will.
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I don't worry, I will. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, it's been lovely to chat with you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Lovely to chat with you. Thank you so much for having me.
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Yeah, thank you. I know you made time for me super early morning.
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Really appreciate your time and your amazing sights.
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