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Speaker 1: Pedo Kremlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, It's lovely to have your company. Here's what's
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Speaker 2: coming up tonight on Predlin. A little calmer today in Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: but still far from acceptable as violent protests are happening.
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Speaker 2: Still in the CBD offices hospitalized as the police chief
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Speaker 2: calls out the radicals as animals. At lunchtime, Labor announced
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Speaker 2: a deal with the Coalition to get its age care
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Speaker 2: reforms across the line, but already talk of disquiet in
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Speaker 2: Liberal ranks, with concerns that increased age care shares payments
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Speaker 2: will only hurt Coalition supporters. The devil's in the detail.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a moment. More on the
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Speaker 2: continuing stoush inside the New South Bals Liberal Party as
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Speaker 2: left leaning moderates try to backdoor the federal takeover for
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Speaker 2: Peter Datton Holding firm and the Brereton Report into alleged
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Speaker 2: to war crimes in Afghanistan four years off today the
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Speaker 2: government hands down its response. Veterans rightly angered by the
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Speaker 2: state of limbo this report has left them in and
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Speaker 2: yet today's still no accountability for senior commanders.
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Speaker 3: My one point of disagreement with the brelliant report is
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Speaker 3: on how far it reaches up the chain in assigning responsibility.
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Speaker 3: I believe that our troops were let down by a
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Speaker 3: lack of moral courage that went up the chain of
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Speaker 3: command all the way to Canberra, including in this House.
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Speaker 2: A really emotional Andrew Hasty today will come back to that,
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Speaker 2: but first the Albanzy government might have been pushed into
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Speaker 2: a humiliating move this morning to pull legislation on the
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Speaker 2: heighly controversial Nature Positive Plan, but don't think it's going away.
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Speaker 2: All they did by shuffling out its place on the
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Speaker 2: Senate agenda today is to try and buy themselves more
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Speaker 2: time to deal with the growing backlash against Tanya Plever
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Speaker 2: sex plan before bringing it back on for debate.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: I suspect they'll do this next week with a number
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Speaker 2: of fires burning in her portfolio, least of all the
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Speaker 2: outerrage caused by her decision to block the Blaany gold
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Speaker 2: mine reports today of urgent talks with angry indigenous elders,
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Speaker 2: yet more negative headlines is the last thing this in
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Speaker 2: battled government needs as it desperately tries to recover in
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Speaker 2: the polls. But only the politically naive would think this
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Speaker 2: nature positive plan will turn around Labour's pool showing with voters,
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Speaker 2: because this legislation isn't about ordinary everyday households trying to
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Speaker 2: keep the head of a financial water. It's an attempt
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Speaker 2: to buy off the green activists that are causing so
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Speaker 2: much panic amongst the Almine Easy backbench. What this bill
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Speaker 2: will effectively do is enshrine a climate trigger in law
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Speaker 2: via this so called nature positive legislation. And once you
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Speaker 2: understand that, you'll understand by business are up in arms
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Speaker 2: about talk for closed door d between the Government and
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Speaker 2: the Greens. At least in the past under Kevin Rudd's
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Speaker 2: carbon pollution reduction scheme and Julia Gillard's carbon tax, this
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Speaker 2: deal making was out in the open.
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Speaker 5: Not anymore now.
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Speaker 2: There's two reasons why the Prime Minister would be looking
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Speaker 2: to do this. The verse is that Labor or they're
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Speaker 2: really now Greens in disguise, so doing deals with the
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Speaker 2: Greens is in their nature and they would be using
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Speaker 2: this anyway as a bargaining chip on any deals about
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Speaker 2: election preferences.
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Speaker 5: The second is.
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Speaker 2: They're trying to bluff the Coalition into negotiating with them
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Speaker 2: on this bill, into a deal that's less bad, but
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Speaker 2: still not something the Coalition would normally or should support,
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Speaker 2: except to perhaps prevent a greater evil. And any deal
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Speaker 2: with Pleversk on this plan would be a disaster for
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Speaker 2: the coalition. There's already more than enough legislation against doing
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Speaker 2: anything that will increase emissions. There's the Safeguard mechanism requiring
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Speaker 2: the two hundred largest emitters to reduce their emissions by
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Speaker 2: five percent a year. There's the Renewable Energy Target that's
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Speaker 2: subsidizing emissions free energy power. And then there's a National
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Speaker 2: greenhouse Gas and Energy Reporting scheme and that requires large
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Speaker 2: businesses to report.
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Speaker 5: On their emissions.
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Speaker 2: As the head of the Mineral's Council, Tanya Constable has said,
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Speaker 2: yet another emissions trigger would in dager the projects this
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Speaker 2: country needs, and she's dead right. The CEO of the
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Speaker 2: Business Council Brand Black. So if a government could not
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Speaker 2: reach a deal with the Coalition, it should pull the legislation.
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Speaker 2: Please be careful because any deal with the Coalition on
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Speaker 2: this bill would not produce good policy, just legislation that's
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Speaker 2: not as bad as it might have been if the
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Speaker 2: Greens were the deal makers, and it would hardly the
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Speaker 2: coalition to its supporter base, who where a lot of
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Speaker 2: the paying for these crazy climate schemes, as we can
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Speaker 2: see with the renewables rollout. And that's the problem with
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Speaker 2: all this climate legislation. Even if you accept the carbon
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Speaker 2: dioxide emissions and changing the climate, Australia's emissions are about
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Speaker 2: one percent of the global total, so internationally insignificant, and
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Speaker 2: any reduction in emissions we achieve here is dwarfed by
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Speaker 2: the increase in emissions from China, which is hell bent
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Speaker 2: on increasing its energy usage, its economic strength and more.
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Speaker 2: Regardless of the impact on emissions, a climate trigger and
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Speaker 2: legislation in Australia would mean that all new developments would
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Speaker 2: have a further hurdle to pass. Not only would they
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Speaker 2: have to pass all the existing laws against environmental damage,
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Speaker 2: not harming air and water, not needlessly destroying native vegetation
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Speaker 2: and wildlife, not damaging the character and amenity of the area,
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Speaker 2: but they would also have this new emissions block. This
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Speaker 2: would be a further massive inhibitor on new developments and
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Speaker 2: they would happen to our long term economic detriment without
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Speaker 2: in the end making any practical difference at all to
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Speaker 2: the climate. Look at the Greens, they don't care about
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Speaker 2: economic development. They're just against society now as a whole.
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Speaker 2: They're not an environmental party anymore. Those violent protests in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne show you that. The presence of Greens and Peas
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Speaker 2: at the protests show you that the other problem here
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Speaker 2: is that the contemporary labor party run by the left faction,
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Speaker 2: well they're a little better than Greens in disguise, and
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Speaker 2: just as bad here is business, and no one really
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Speaker 2: wants to admit this, but this is what you're so
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Speaker 2: timed for business. For too long, big business have surrendered
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Speaker 2: on climate mess They've said behind closed doors that they
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Speaker 2: think it's madness, but publicly they've gone out in campaign
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Speaker 2: for stuff they say they don't support. Meaning it's hard
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Speaker 2: for them to object to this one further measure without
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Speaker 2: looking like hypocrites, even though they are right. This legislation
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Speaker 2: from Pleversyk will cause further damage to an economy that's
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Speaker 2: already been subject to green sabotage. As the head of
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Speaker 2: the BCA admitted, business has been strongly advocating. He says
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Speaker 2: for net zero transitions, for more renewables and a reduction
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Speaker 2: of emissions, which is why it's late in the day
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Speaker 2: to suddenly discover the economic self harm that's been wrought
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Speaker 2: by the left's ambitions obsession with these business groups. It's
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Speaker 2: hard to know whether to applaud them for finally taking
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Speaker 2: a stand or denounce them for being so weak for
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Speaker 2: so long. Not all of them, I have to say,
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Speaker 2: but most of them, that's for sure. Look Also today,
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Speaker 2: Defense Minister Richard Marles told the Parliament that an unspecified
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Speaker 2: number of unidentified senior officers have had their medals from
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Speaker 2: the Afghanistan campaign stripped on account of possible war crimes
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Speaker 2: committed on their watch.
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Speaker 1: The last step in closing out these two recommendations was
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Speaker 1: me writing to relevant commanders about my decision in relation
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Speaker 1: to medals awarded to them as part of their service
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Speaker 1: during periods approximate to the incidents which are at the
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Speaker 1: heart of the Brereton Report.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to overstate just how badly this whole business
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Speaker 2: has been handled. First, it's really hard from the comfort
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Speaker 2: and safety of our lound rooms to judge the conduct
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Speaker 2: of people whose lives are at risk every day and
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Speaker 2: who have seen their mates killed in part because of
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Speaker 2: rules of engagement that specified catch and release. It's wrong
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Speaker 2: for soldiers to take matters into their own hands if
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Speaker 2: that's what's happened, but it's not entirely their fault when
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Speaker 2: we ask impossible things of them. Second, if there's to
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Speaker 2: be punitive action, it can't drag on and on and on.
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Speaker 2: Our part in the actual fighting finished in twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 2: more than ten years ago. The Brereton investigation began in
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. A redacted version of his conclusions was published
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Speaker 2: in November twenty twenty. For some eight years, more than
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Speaker 2: twenty Special Forces soldiers have been living under the shadow
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Speaker 2: of possible war crimes trials, yet still only one individual's
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Speaker 2: ever been charged. It's just not right that people who
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Speaker 2: volunteered to put their lives on their line for their
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Speaker 2: country have been treated like this, even if some of
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Speaker 2: them might have.
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Speaker 5: Made serious mistaches.
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Speaker 2: Stakes Earlier this week the release of the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: on Veteran's suicide. The report came out, we all collectively
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Speaker 2: resolved to treat our soldiers better. How is this latest
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Speaker 2: humiliation and indignity consistent with all the fine words.
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Speaker 5: If this is a national shame.
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Speaker 2: It's at least as much how our soldiers have been
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Speaker 2: treated as anything done on the battlefield and police this
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Speaker 2: idea that senior commanders were completely without fault, that senior
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Speaker 2: command were blameless. Don't insult our collective intelligence. If bad
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Speaker 2: things happened, senior command can't just try and claim ignorance.
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Speaker 2: Many of them, the current Chief of the Defense Force
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Speaker 2: included all of them served on the ground in Afghanistan.
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Speaker 5: Now, I went to.
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Speaker 2: Afghanistan three times. I sat in their briefings from senior
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Speaker 2: command at Tarankott and now from the safety of Canberra.
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Speaker 2: They want to tell you they never knew.
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Speaker 5: Truth. They say is the first casualty in war.
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Speaker 2: And you can say that again today. All right, let's
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Speaker 2: go to camera now for the headlines. Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter cam Reddin good.
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Speaker 6: Evening, retirees entering aged care will pay more for the
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Speaker 6: service from the middle of next year.
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Speaker 2: Today we announce a need based arrangement that makes financial sense.
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Speaker 6: No one currently in aged care will be worse off.
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Speaker 6: But under the plan, which is backed by the Coalition,
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Speaker 6: a lifetime cap on personal contributions will rise from roughly
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Speaker 6: seventy five thousand dollars to one hundred and thirty thousand.
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Speaker 7: And it's a meaningful structural reform.
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Speaker 8: In the budget.
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Speaker 6: How much extra someone pays will depend largely on their assets.
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Speaker 6: For example, a self funded retiree with assets of half
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Speaker 6: a million dollars outside the family home would pay around
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Speaker 6: thirteen thousand dollars more every year.
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Speaker 8: What we're doing is make sure that the system is
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Speaker 8: sustainable going forward.
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Speaker 6: The seat of North Sydney will be abolished at the
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Speaker 6: next election, but its member still isn't sure whether she
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Speaker 6: wants to run somewhere else.
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Speaker 9: I haven't made any decisions at this point in time.
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Speaker 9: What I do know is that Australians what politics done differently.
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Speaker 6: The Electoral Commission has locked in its boundary changes, meaning
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Speaker 6: there'll be one fewer tier seat going into the next election.
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Speaker 6: North Sydney will be broken up between neighboring electorates of Warringa,
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Speaker 6: Benelong and Bradfield, held by the Liberal frontbencher Paul Fletcher.
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Speaker 8: The economy is being hopelessly mismanaged and this problem needs
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Speaker 8: to be solved, and it will take a Liberal National
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Speaker 8: Coalition to solve it.
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Speaker 5: All right.
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Speaker 2: For more on today's top stories, I'm joined now by
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Speaker 2: media writer for Australian Sophie Ellsworth and the IPA is
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Speaker 2: Deputy executive director at Daniel Wilde.
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Speaker 5: Well, we saw a little bit earlier.
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Speaker 2: It looks like Anthony Albanezi will finally get his age
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Speaker 2: care reforms over the line, striking a deal with the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: The reforms aim to save the budget twelve point six
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Speaker 2: billion dollars over thirteen years. It'll force self funded retirees
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Speaker 2: of course, to pay more, they say, and I say
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Speaker 2: this in talking marks. They'll put five point six billion
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Speaker 2: on the table to invest in extra home care packages
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Speaker 2: to come into effect.
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Speaker 5: From July next year.
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Speaker 2: My concern here twofold really, I think this is dangerous
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Speaker 2: territory for the Coalition to go down the path of
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Speaker 2: supporting labor on these reforms.
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Speaker 5: I do think the sector needs.
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Speaker 2: A new financial plan, but I think you know they're
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Speaker 2: high energy bills and all the other things that are
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Speaker 2: hitting them are just as important to deal with. But
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Speaker 2: how can you have a pension of paying only three
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Speaker 2: hundred extra a year, someone at pension about five thousand
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Speaker 2: a year, and the poor old self funded retiree topping
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Speaker 2: an extra thirteen.
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Speaker 5: Thousand dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't someone annual restructure their affairs to get themselves
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Speaker 2: on at least a part pension, knowing they're not going
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Speaker 2: to be able to afford this. I mean, not every
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Speaker 2: self funded is.
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Speaker 5: Rich, that's right.
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Speaker 10: I share your concerns about this. It's another hit on
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Speaker 10: self funded retirees. And the thing that's sort of been
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Speaker 10: forgotten in this debate is we have a progressive income
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Speaker 10: tax system, so a lot of these people who are wealthier,
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Speaker 10: they've already paid a lot of tax over their lives
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Speaker 10: in part to fund these social services. So if you've
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Speaker 10: worked hard for thirty forty years, you would have paid
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Speaker 10: millions and millions in tax, and now you're being required
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Speaker 10: to pay even more for these services. These are the
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Speaker 10: same services as well, so you're paying ten or twenty
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Speaker 10: times more than someone else for the exact same service.
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Speaker 10: So I think it's a bit unfair. Yes, it does
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Speaker 10: need to be reformed. I think one of the ways
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Speaker 10: that you have to look at this is more holistically
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Speaker 10: about family policy as well, because this is been driven
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Speaker 10: by demographic change. So we need to have policies that
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Speaker 10: are going to make it easier for families to have
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Speaker 10: children if they want to have children. And we've talked
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Speaker 10: about income tax splitting and other policies that can help them.
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Speaker 10: So this is a bit of a short term technocratic
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Speaker 10: solution to a much broader problem, and I think it's
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Speaker 10: sort of missed.
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Speaker 2: The point, and again I'll worry about people readjusting their affairs.
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Speaker 2: We end up with the perverse outcome of more people
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Speaker 2: wanting to get on the pension, and the whole point
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Speaker 2: of superannuations meant to get us off it. The National
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Speaker 2: Antikruption Commission yesterday revealed it's got investigations under the way.
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Speaker 2: This is interesting into six current or former politicians we
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Speaker 2: know more, we have no more detail than that, and
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Speaker 2: three other investigations into the behavior of past or present
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Speaker 2: parliamentary staff. Not a lot of transparency, no public hearings,
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Speaker 2: and of course, when we're talking about possible current politicians, Sophie,
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Speaker 2: they could be going around together at the next election.
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Speaker 2: They could already be pre selected.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 9: Is an interesting, Peter, because we don't have a lot
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Speaker 9: of detail, and you'd hope that the people who are
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Speaker 9: under investigation are well aware of it.
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Speaker 5: But you also need to.
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Speaker 9: Be careful naming and shaming people who are under investigation
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Speaker 9: who may have done absolutely nothing wrong. And we know
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Speaker 9: that some people are being referred to the Anti Corruption Commission.
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Speaker 9: A lot of this is very political, so it could be,
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Speaker 9: you know, opponents trying to have a hit on them
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Speaker 9: by referring them onto the knack, So we need to
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Speaker 9: be really careful. But there is a lot of secrecy
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Speaker 9: around this.
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Speaker 5: What about docting?
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Speaker 2: How do you balance appropriate privacy considerations? How do you
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Speaker 2: balance fines for social media platforms that publish this information?
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Speaker 2: As I understand it, they haven't actually been fitted up
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Speaker 2: for fines in this draft legislation, that's right.
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Speaker 10: I mean, my view is that the individual should be responsible,
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Speaker 10: not necessarily the platform. I mean, I believe the platform
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Speaker 10: should be relatively open places for people to put their
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Speaker 10: opinions on. If you're doxing someone, then you as the individual,
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Speaker 10: should be responsible for that. And doxing, as you know,
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Speaker 10: means putting someone's personal number or home address on the Internet,
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Speaker 10: often with the intent of getting the mob to harass
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Speaker 10: them and silence them, which is what the left stock
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Speaker 10: and trade.
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Speaker 5: Not really free speech in a sense.
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Speaker 10: No, it's not a free speech issue, but I think
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Speaker 10: the individual doing it should be the one that's penalized
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Speaker 10: for it. What hasn't been explained to me though, is
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Speaker 10: to me that sounds a lot like incitement to violence.
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Speaker 10: If you're doing that with the intent of harming someone,
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Speaker 10: I would have thought that's already covered by existing laws.
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Speaker 10: So I'm not sure if there's a gap in the law.
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Speaker 10: I think it should be dealt with, But it hasn't
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Speaker 10: been explained why existing laws can't actually deal with this
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Speaker 10: docting problem, which is a real problem, But I don't
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Speaker 10: know why the existing laws can't be used.
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Speaker 2: Another related issue to the online world, we find out
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Speaker 2: from Meta that since two thousand and seven, so that's
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Speaker 2: almost twenty years ago, they have been going through our
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Speaker 2: personal information. Now they say it's posts that have been
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Speaker 2: made public, but they're basically been trawling all of our data.
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Speaker 9: Pretty worrying it is, Peter, So I was at the
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Speaker 9: hearing yesterday. They can go right back to two thousand
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Speaker 9: and seven and anything that you have put out in
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Speaker 9: the public domain and not made private on your Facebook page,
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Speaker 9: they can take that information and implemented into their AI services.
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Speaker 9: So people share a lot of stuff on the Internet,
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Speaker 9: and way back to two thousand and seven, people were
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Speaker 9: not aware that to change things to private would stop
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Speaker 9: these Australians of not being told of ways to get
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Speaker 9: around this and ensure that their information isn't implemented into
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Speaker 9: AI services. So this is incredibly worrying for a lot
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Speaker 9: of Australians who do put a lot of their information
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Speaker 9: online and will.
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Speaker 2: Let's be used by AI to build a profile.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely, it will so be trawling it, It will be
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Speaker 9: scraping data and implementing photos, information and anything that's shared
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Speaker 9: online that is public will be injected into AI and
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Speaker 9: it's game on for them and very concerning for Australians.
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Speaker 5: Don about your two I'm pretty boring it. I'll be
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Speaker 5: baking and dogs.
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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, nonetheless I'd like to know about it. What's
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Speaker 2: going on with the New South Wales Liberals because you
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Speaker 2: know they're under the pump. There is a takeover now
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Speaker 2: by the federal executive ahead of the next federal election
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Speaker 2: of I think, you know, absolutely understandably bring it on,
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Speaker 2: take the decision making away from them. But they tried
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Speaker 2: to stack the numbers on this committee and put up
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Speaker 2: two people Feard A Scott, former federal MP, a moderate,
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Speaker 2: and another state Peter Seaton, also a moderate.
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Speaker 5: What's going on, Daniel, Well.
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Speaker 10: I think You're right there does need to be a
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Speaker 10: takeover by the FEDS. With New South Wales, we saw
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Speaker 10: the debarkle with the council elections. I think there's also
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Speaker 10: this issue with the I guess the democratic nature or
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Speaker 10: lack thereof with the New South Wales Liberals and the
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Speaker 10: openness of people being able to join the party, participate
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Speaker 10: and put their hand up for preselections. So I hope
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Speaker 10: that this fix is a longer term fix. Obviously, Peter
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Speaker 10: Dutton wants it sorted out before the next election to
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Speaker 10: make sure candidates are in place well ahead of the
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Speaker 10: election to avoid what happened last time.
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Speaker 5: So jumping.
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Speaker 2: He's not going to cop two people from New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: He just wants one because if you have a panel
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Speaker 2: of four, you'll have a style mate on any votes,
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Speaker 2: so he wants just one from New South Wales.
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Speaker 10: I think that's right, and I hope that this is
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Speaker 10: a longer term thing because I think most people want
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Speaker 10: to see it as an open party that people can
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Speaker 10: participate in, not a close shop.
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Speaker 2: They're both modres, but Peter sent and Less has a
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Speaker 2: big brain. I'd be putting her on the scott Hey
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Speaker 2: Channel nine. What's going on there? They're going from bad
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Speaker 2: to worse.
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Speaker 5: Bad to worse, Peter.
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Speaker 9: Today, Nine CEO Mike Sneezbe has announced his resignation. He
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Speaker 9: leaves at the end of September. His tenure has been
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Speaker 9: in jeopardy ever since we broke the story at The
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Speaker 9: Australian around allegations surrounding nine News boss Darren Wick, allegations
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Speaker 9: of misconduct inappropriate behavior at nine. Mister Sneezbee is announced
20:38
Speaker 9: he's leaving. It comes after mister Costello, the former chair,
20:42
Speaker 9: resigned in June. So this company is internol because they
20:45
Speaker 9: have a report being handed down on allegations of misconduct,
20:50
Speaker 9: They've got problems within their management, they have a falling
20:53
Speaker 9: share price. So this is a chance to refresh. But
20:56
Speaker 9: mister Sneezbey's tenure has been under scrutiny, and you know
21:00
Speaker 9: he's been worrying for some time.
21:02
Speaker 5: You have a good weekend to you both. Thank you
21:04
Speaker 5: for your tom Thank you.
21:05
Speaker 2: All right, We're going to come back in a little
21:07
Speaker 2: bit to the Breton report, but I want to go
21:08
Speaker 2: to those appalling scenes in Melbourne yesterday. More protests today too,
21:12
Speaker 2: but yesterday was particularly bad, where thousands of activists descended
21:15
Speaker 2: on the Landforces Expo with the CBD attacking the police
21:19
Speaker 2: of the media as a so called peaceful protests. The
21:22
Speaker 2: behavior has been wildly condemned, including by Victoria Police Chief
21:26
Speaker 2: Commissioner and the Victorian Police Association's head.
21:30
Speaker 8: I want to say how appalled I am at the
21:34
Speaker 8: conduct of a large amount of the protesters.
21:37
Speaker 4: The only way I can describe them as a bunch
21:39
Speaker 4: of hypocrites.
21:40
Speaker 11: That group of dirty, filthy, disgusting animals who have simply
21:45
Speaker 11: come to Melbourne to cause havoc anarchy.
21:49
Speaker 2: Well, one of our own on the ground and subjected
21:52
Speaker 2: to plently of that bad behavior was our reporter Georgie Dickerson,
21:55
Speaker 2: who joins me now. Well, Georgie, first of all, I've
21:58
Speaker 2: got to say you're pretty brave there yesterday.
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Speaker 5: You did not lose your queue.
22:02
Speaker 2: You were able to keep talking and giving us all
22:04
Speaker 2: the information we needed. I noticed it was a little
22:07
Speaker 2: calmer today. I certainly found it easier to get around
22:10
Speaker 2: the city. But police weren't mucking around today. I think
22:13
Speaker 2: that's the real difference. How was it for you? Because
22:16
Speaker 2: a lot of people raised with me, in particular the
22:19
Speaker 2: imagery of the horses being attacked.
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Speaker 5: Yes good evening.
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Speaker 12: It was very different to those scenes that we did
22:29
Speaker 12: see yesterday.
22:30
Speaker 5: This morning we only saw.
22:32
Speaker 12: Around one hundred protesters out there, which is very stark
22:35
Speaker 12: contrast to those fifteen hundred protesters that were out and
22:39
Speaker 12: about yesterday. They started a little bit later and police
22:42
Speaker 12: were on the forefront. They'd already set up blockades to
22:46
Speaker 12: ensure that the protesters couldn't get anywhere near as close
22:49
Speaker 12: to the convention center as we saw yesterday, which I
22:52
Speaker 12: guess meant that the protesters had to think about where
22:55
Speaker 12: they were going to go instead, and so instead they
22:57
Speaker 12: basically made a whole walking upwards and backwards throughout the
23:01
Speaker 12: city throughout the day, and I don't think they really
23:03
Speaker 12: had much of a plan as to what they're actually.
23:05
Speaker 5: Going to do.
23:06
Speaker 12: But just on those images of the horses, they were appalling.
23:09
Speaker 12: We saw those milk crates being used and these large
23:12
Speaker 12: crates being pushed in front of the horses faces, which
23:16
Speaker 12: is obviously just terrible and disgusting behavior from these protesters.
23:20
Speaker 12: I asked one protester about these scenes yesterday, and they
23:24
Speaker 12: said that it was animal cruelty even having the police
23:27
Speaker 12: horses there in the first place, which beggars belief that
23:30
Speaker 12: you would see these images and then the protesters say
23:34
Speaker 12: something like that. So thankfully it was a calmer situation today.
23:40
Speaker 2: Strangely, we saw Russian flags in the crowd, not just
23:44
Speaker 2: Palestinian flags. You made the point yesterday and again today
23:47
Speaker 2: that most of them, or a lot of them didn't
23:49
Speaker 2: even know what River to the Sea actually means. I mean,
23:52
Speaker 2: the geography is pretty bad, but they're all over the shop.
23:56
Speaker 2: You know, they are basically a radical activist renterer crowd.
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Speaker 12: They Yeah, we've seen so many different groups all banding
24:06
Speaker 12: together in this movement. I suppose we saw climate activists.
24:11
Speaker 12: I saw someone that was promoting she was a midwife
24:14
Speaker 12: and saying that, you know, we're killing the next generation.
24:17
Speaker 12: And then obviously, as you mentioned those Russian flags, we've
24:20
Speaker 12: seen Palestinian flags slamming Israel. So there's so many different
24:25
Speaker 12: groups that have come together, and I think from the
24:28
Speaker 12: get go yesterday it seems like they wanted violence. They
24:31
Speaker 12: all had masks on, they all had goggles on, so
24:34
Speaker 12: they knew what they were in for in terms of
24:36
Speaker 12: probably predicting that the police would use tear gas. So
24:40
Speaker 12: there was no question that this is how those situations
24:43
Speaker 12: and how the protests were going to go but I
24:46
Speaker 12: did try to speak to some protests to actually say
24:48
Speaker 12: why are you here? What movement are you actually here for?
24:52
Speaker 12: Some of them told me to go away. They didn't
24:54
Speaker 12: want to speak to the media. They said I was
24:56
Speaker 12: asking stupid questions by just asking what they were doing
25:00
Speaker 12: actually being there, while others put their masks up. They
25:03
Speaker 12: didn't want to take their masks off, despite yelling at
25:05
Speaker 12: police this morning to actually remove their masks. But some
25:09
Speaker 12: people that eventually did speak. Here's a bit of what
25:11
Speaker 12: some of those people had to say. What about Iran, China, Russia?
25:15
Speaker 12: Do you want them to stop and demilitarize some of
25:18
Speaker 12: those weapons? What do you want to see happening in
25:20
Speaker 12: those type of countries.
25:22
Speaker 4: I want to see real change from the Australian government
25:26
Speaker 4: not making deals with genocidal weapons companies.
25:31
Speaker 6: This is about institutionalized.
25:33
Speaker 5: Hatred and greed.
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Speaker 12: I don't want to talk to you because you're the
25:36
Speaker 12: kind of people who misrepresent us saying, oh, they've got weapons,
25:39
Speaker 12: they've got weapons.
25:41
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what land rites for gay Palestinian Wales.
25:43
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like in the last couple of days.
25:45
Speaker 2: You were incredibly pray Georgie, keep it up. I love
25:48
Speaker 2: that you put the microphone under their masks. We get
25:51
Speaker 2: not much from them, but it's good to shine a
25:53
Speaker 2: light and thank you for your time.
25:55
Speaker 5: She was fantastic. Yess did I tell you what?
25:57
Speaker 2: After the break Anger Mounts is the defense top brass
25:59
Speaker 2: based no consequences from the Breton Report, while more junior
26:03
Speaker 2: commanders and soldiers are hung out to dry.
26:06
Speaker 5: Plus the Sydney Wislim.
26:07
Speaker 2: Group, which leads to a shik who celebrated the October
26:10
Speaker 2: seven attacks, is invited to apply for a big government grant.
26:19
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the come.
26:20
Speaker 2: The new environmental law has been pushed by labor that
26:23
Speaker 2: are so bad even the more timid business groups and
26:25
Speaker 2: our sounding the alarm. The first has been almost four
26:29
Speaker 2: years since the Breton Report into alleged war crimes in
26:32
Speaker 2: Afghanistan was released, after an earlier four years spent completing
26:36
Speaker 2: the report. So over those eight years, our veterans have
26:41
Speaker 2: been left in a state of limbo, with the ongoing
26:43
Speaker 2: stigma of war crimes tainting everyone who served in Afghanistan.
26:48
Speaker 5: Today, the Defense.
26:49
Speaker 2: Minister, Richard Miles finally released the official government response.
26:54
Speaker 5: A part of this, it's understood, has up.
26:56
Speaker 2: To nine current or former Australian soldiers having their medals stripped.
27:02
Speaker 5: However, much of the.
27:03
Speaker 2: Details surrounding this is shrouded in its secrecy. Let's try
27:06
Speaker 2: and understand what we can and I've got an expert
27:09
Speaker 2: for you tonight. He's got a PhD in war crimes law,
27:13
Speaker 2: having taught and practiced as a legal advisor to the
27:16
Speaker 2: Special Operations Task Groups in Afghanistan. As well he served
27:21
Speaker 2: as a military police officer. I'm of course talking about
27:25
Speaker 2: doctor Glenn Coler meats and he joins me.
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Speaker 5: Now, Glenn, thank you for your time.
27:30
Speaker 2: What's your reaction today to the government's official response to
27:35
Speaker 2: the Brereton Report.
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Speaker 13: Peter Major General Brereton got it very, very wrong when
27:44
Speaker 13: he gave a blanket exemption to the other generals from
27:48
Speaker 13: any responsibility, any command responsibility, and Richard Miles today has
27:52
Speaker 13: just aggravated that those compounding errors. So look, I'm really
27:56
Speaker 13: disappointed at the time when we have a bit of
27:58
Speaker 13: a crisis in defense, inability to fill the ranks and
28:01
Speaker 13: capability gaps everywhere, Richard Miles is focusing on this metal
28:06
Speaker 13: issue off the back of the Brereton Report. Really disappointing.
28:12
Speaker 2: At the very least, shouldn't everyone in senior ranks who
28:17
Speaker 2: have been I guess led off by Brereton.
28:20
Speaker 5: Some would say exonerated. I'd probably say let off.
28:22
Speaker 2: Shouldn't they have to return their unit citation as a minimum?
28:29
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, I've got one of those meritorious unit citations
28:32
Speaker 13: and I'm not going to lose any sleep if I
28:34
Speaker 13: have to return it. But at the end of the day,
28:37
Speaker 13: some of the demands that are being made are just
28:40
Speaker 13: they make no real sense. Having every member of Special
28:43
Speaker 13: Operations Task Group return their meritorious Unit citation while the
28:48
Speaker 13: generals retain their distinguished Service crosses and distinguished they keep
28:51
Speaker 13: them becausepiculous service crosses and the rest of it they
28:54
Speaker 13: keep them. That's exactly right. And you know, responsibility rolls
28:58
Speaker 13: up hill, Peter. And yet they've got the given this
29:00
Speaker 13: blanket exemption from any responsibility, and they're still strutting around
29:03
Speaker 13: with all of their gongs like like a bunch of
29:05
Speaker 13: North Korean generals. So you know, it's just it makes
29:08
Speaker 13: it makes no sense, and it's wrong, Peter. If I
29:11
Speaker 13: can just just dumb it down, so it's not right.
29:14
Speaker 13: What's going on?
29:17
Speaker 5: Do you think we.
29:18
Speaker 2: Should have been given I get not naming names and
29:21
Speaker 2: some of the privacy concerns, but do you think we
29:23
Speaker 2: should have been given more information today?
29:25
Speaker 5: It seems pretty vague, Peter.
29:29
Speaker 13: We know that the the stripping is of the medals,
29:33
Speaker 13: but you know we're from task grip commanders, the lieutenant
29:37
Speaker 13: colonel's commanding officers and squadron commanders, so majors and troop commanders, Captain,
29:43
Speaker 13: so you know, we know that's quite a broad spread
29:45
Speaker 13: across the command structure. But absent, obviously is the generals
29:50
Speaker 13: who had overall command responsibility for these for the troop
29:54
Speaker 13: subject of the allegations, sitting there in Dubai and visiting
29:58
Speaker 13: visiting Afghanistan. That's the conspicuous absence in all of this.
30:02
Speaker 13: So we have a bit of an idea who they've
30:04
Speaker 13: targeted the commanders on the ground and they've left the
30:08
Speaker 13: higher commanders scott free.
30:11
Speaker 5: Really, you know how the chain of command works.
30:17
Speaker 2: Do you think they would have been completely ignorant sitting
30:22
Speaker 2: in the base in Dubai about what was going on
30:24
Speaker 2: in Tarancott or even rumors of what was going on
30:27
Speaker 2: in Taran Kott.
30:30
Speaker 13: Peter, I've got one hundred and ten thousand words in
30:32
Speaker 13: my PhD thesis on exactly this, and quite frankly, those
30:37
Speaker 13: generals had a duty to ensure that this sort of conduct,
30:42
Speaker 13: alleged conduct it's still only alleged, but alleged conduct didn't
30:45
Speaker 13: take place and they became aware of it to do
30:48
Speaker 13: something about it. Now, the communication passage from afghan the
30:51
Speaker 13: stand to Dubai is very very good, unlike some of
30:55
Speaker 13: the case law that I think Major General Brereton relied
30:58
Speaker 13: on in parts of Africa. So you know, it's really
31:02
Speaker 13: difficult and I stand by this for the generals to
31:05
Speaker 13: sit back and be given this bleaket exemption and think
31:07
Speaker 13: that they've done nothing wrong in all of this.
31:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Ruba Milli in Defense works as
31:14
Speaker 2: good as the one in Parliament House. And I remember
31:16
Speaker 2: at the time being in Australia and hearing gossip not
31:19
Speaker 2: on this issue, but just other things coming out of Afghanistan.
31:22
Speaker 2: So I don't buy that they were completely ignorant, even
31:25
Speaker 2: though of conversation or chatter about some of these things.
31:30
Speaker 2: The Shadow Defense Minister, of course, and he had served
31:32
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan in the ESAs Andrew Hasty took up this
31:35
Speaker 2: issue in the Parliament today, he was actually quite emotional.
31:38
Speaker 5: Have a listen.
31:40
Speaker 3: Those in the chain of command who saw the post
31:43
Speaker 3: mission slide decks with the kill counts and pictures of
31:48
Speaker 3: dead individuals had an obligation to ask questions from Taran
31:52
Speaker 3: Court to cable to Canada High to do buy to camera.
31:57
Speaker 3: Excuse me, those in the chain of command should have
32:02
Speaker 3: asked more questions.
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Speaker 5: Legally.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's there's commission of crime and there's omission.
32:10
Speaker 2: In relation to asking questions, you should reasonably have asked.
32:15
Speaker 2: I think it's the fact they failed to ask the
32:18
Speaker 2: questions where they are exposed, is it, Glenn.
32:23
Speaker 13: That's exactly the heart of this command responsibility doctrine, Peter.
32:26
Speaker 13: It's see the omission to inquire, to omission to exercise
32:30
Speaker 13: their duty to inquire and to to take action. And
32:34
Speaker 13: that's where the generals are are in the frame they
32:39
Speaker 13: had they had didn't exercise that duty. And as I say,
32:42
Speaker 13: the the rumor mill was in place, you know that
32:45
Speaker 13: that's that's out there in the public domain. The communication
32:48
Speaker 13: passage from Afghanistan back to Jubai was very good and
32:51
Speaker 13: quite frankly, a number of these generals have written books
32:54
Speaker 13: or written chapters in books where they talk about the
32:56
Speaker 13: amount of time they spent on the ground with Special
32:58
Speaker 13: Operations forces approving and oversighting their missions, their operations. So
33:04
Speaker 13: it's very hard to hide behind that, Peter.
33:09
Speaker 5: Will anything now come of it? Though?
33:11
Speaker 2: I mean, is this the line in the sand on
33:14
Speaker 2: the Brereton Report?
33:18
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, the special officer of the Special Investigator is
33:21
Speaker 13: looking at who knows a number of allegations. I suspect
33:25
Speaker 13: I almost guarantee they're not looking at command responsibility. I
33:28
Speaker 13: think they'll be looking at the soldiers on the ground.
33:30
Speaker 13: I'm fairly certain of that. It's not the end, though
33:32
Speaker 13: you may recall, Sounder Jackie Lamby referred the generals to
33:35
Speaker 13: the International Criminal Court some time back, and the prosecutor
33:39
Speaker 13: at the ICC, the for International Criminal Court, has is
33:42
Speaker 13: yet to reply to Sanata Lamby, so which means that
33:46
Speaker 13: he is either still looking at this referral or he
33:50
Speaker 13: hasn't a chance to look at it yet. But it
33:52
Speaker 13: doesn't mean that he's not. It's kicked in the touch,
33:55
Speaker 13: so that's still in the background. Peter, and I'll be
33:57
Speaker 13: seeing Sanator Lamby Jackie tomorrow in care and I'll talk
34:01
Speaker 13: about this with her. She may well be contacting the
34:04
Speaker 13: prosecutor as a result of today's today's outcome.
34:09
Speaker 2: Just before we go, the current CDF obviously was involved
34:12
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan command. Is there a conflict that he's involved
34:17
Speaker 2: in managing this issue through the Brereton process given his
34:22
Speaker 2: earlier involvement in the conflict.
34:27
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, it was the same as the former Chief
34:30
Speaker 13: of Defense Force. He was he was a commander of
34:32
Speaker 13: Joint Task for six three three, so again with overall
34:35
Speaker 13: command responsibility for the for the troops in Afghanistan. But
34:38
Speaker 13: the current CDF, when he was Vice Chief of Defense Force,
34:41
Speaker 13: had overall responsibility for military justice. So it's a bit
34:45
Speaker 13: more of a conflict there too. I think you know
34:48
Speaker 13: there's problems all over with this that the higher command,
34:52
Speaker 13: the the senior officers being involved in this in this matter,
34:56
Speaker 13: whilst they all got their gongs for their time in
34:59
Speaker 13: Jubai command of these troops in Afghanistan.
35:05
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know this, but I guarantee you this
35:07
Speaker 2: sits very uneasily with ordinary Australians. Glenn, I know you're
35:10
Speaker 2: going to follow all of this closely right through the
35:13
Speaker 2: ICC process. Please keep us across what happens. Thank you
35:16
Speaker 2: for your time tonight. Dr gre Glen Colument's there all right,
35:21
Speaker 2: thankfully labored Today's pulled that Nature positive bill from the
35:24
Speaker 2: Senate notice paper. This came after the business lobby actually
35:27
Speaker 2: found a spine and spoke out about how disastrous these
35:30
Speaker 2: laws would be to the economy.
35:32
Speaker 5: But talk of a deal with.
35:34
Speaker 2: The Greens, that's on the cards and that's where the
35:36
Speaker 2: worry is. They could We're told the deal include with
35:40
Speaker 2: the push from the Greens are climate trigger and that's
35:43
Speaker 2: going to make it even harder to get new projects up.
35:47
Speaker 2: Joining me in our environment editor at the Australian Gray
35:49
Speaker 2: of Lloyd, it's only just off the notice paper for
35:53
Speaker 2: today was listed and then pulled, so it hasn't disappeared.
35:56
Speaker 2: Don't let anyone at home think it's disappeared. The House
35:59
Speaker 2: might be sitting next week, but the Senate is do
36:02
Speaker 2: you think business has been too tempered for too long
36:06
Speaker 2: and now it's woken up to the risk of a
36:08
Speaker 2: climate trigger?
36:09
Speaker 5: Is that why they've spoken out?
36:12
Speaker 8: Well, good evening, it is the business community is really
36:16
Speaker 8: being outplayed here. The danger in a climate trigger is
36:22
Speaker 8: that dramatically expands the Commonwealth powers in the area of
36:26
Speaker 8: environment because at the moment under the EPBC, the Commonwealth
36:31
Speaker 8: has jurisdiction for World Heritage areas, listed species, migratory birds,
36:37
Speaker 8: and very tight list of other things. You introduce a
36:41
Speaker 8: climate trigger and suddenly the Commonwealth gets to praise every
36:46
Speaker 8: substantial project across every front. So it comes over the
36:52
Speaker 8: States and has responsibility to look at this. The other
36:55
Speaker 8: thing that the Greens are after is to interfere in
37:00
Speaker 8: state forest management, and again the states have been responsible
37:05
Speaker 8: for that. Under this proposal, the Commonwealth would be. So
37:08
Speaker 8: business is up in arms, and really there's been a
37:12
Speaker 8: slide of hand because the legislation as it was put
37:17
Speaker 8: was simply to establish an EPBC and all these other
37:21
Speaker 8: details were going to be discussed later in other legislation.
37:25
Speaker 8: The Greens are trying to bring it on now and
37:28
Speaker 8: the Taniel pleversekas saying, well, she's going to talk to
37:32
Speaker 8: them about it if she can't get accommodation with the coalition.
37:36
Speaker 8: And it's a pretty high stakes game.
37:40
Speaker 2: It's the oldest game in the book. Though from Labor.
37:43
Speaker 2: They put something terrible out there. They say, we'll do
37:45
Speaker 2: something even worse if you don't talk to us. Coalition
37:48
Speaker 2: will do a deal with the Grand and you know,
37:50
Speaker 2: come in Spinner, the coalition says, okay, well, we've got
37:53
Speaker 2: to make a.
37:53
Speaker 5: Bad law less bad. But makeing it bad law less
37:57
Speaker 5: bad doesn't make it good.
38:01
Speaker 8: That right now, the considerations from the federal government are
38:07
Speaker 8: they on the one hand, they need to avoid being
38:10
Speaker 8: seen to be jumping into bed with the Greens, because
38:12
Speaker 8: there's a lot of concerns about that across a broad front.
38:16
Speaker 8: But they're also running out of time. This is the
38:19
Speaker 8: big package they want to deliver to the environment movement.
38:23
Speaker 8: They can't even get the first tranch of it through
38:26
Speaker 8: and get on to the next stage, so they may
38:28
Speaker 8: be rushed into getting what they can and that can
38:32
Speaker 8: have some pretty terrible outcomes.
38:35
Speaker 2: And to Heah, the Collie's got to steer right away
38:37
Speaker 2: from this. This is about trying to do a deal
38:39
Speaker 2: with the Greens on preferences and the poor old projects
38:44
Speaker 2: and business in the economy is the bargaining chip, thank
38:47
Speaker 2: you Graham or a love of the break wise and
38:49
Speaker 2: Muslim group. It links to a pretty shocking shake who
38:52
Speaker 2: referred to October seven as a day of pride being
38:55
Speaker 2: invited to apply for a taxpayer funded grant, plus the
38:59
Speaker 2: growing radicalization of the Greens and why not just politically
39:03
Speaker 2: but morally. Labour needs to stop pandering to them and
39:06
Speaker 2: commit to putting them last on preferences plenty modercalumb but
39:14
Speaker 2: versus my panel L and P Senator for Queensland James
39:17
Speaker 2: McGrath and Paul and Hansen's One Nation Chief of Staff
39:20
Speaker 2: James Ashby. Well, Jens, let's start with revelations and a
39:23
Speaker 2: Muslim community group with ties to a sheik who celebrated
39:26
Speaker 2: the October seven attack has been invited by the government
39:30
Speaker 2: to apply for a community cohesion grant. Here's that bloke,
39:35
Speaker 2: Ibrahim Dedoon of the United Muslims Australia praising the terrorists.
39:40
Speaker 4: It's a day of courage.
39:52
Speaker 5: Now, James McGrath.
39:53
Speaker 2: How on earth could that boat possibly unify the community?
40:00
Speaker 4: It can't. This is the Labor Party at their worst
40:04
Speaker 4: slash best. This is divisive politics. This has got nothing
40:09
Speaker 4: to do with unity. It is all about our weak
40:11
Speaker 4: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and his chicken little MPs chasing
40:15
Speaker 4: down votes and seats in Western Sydney. This is all
40:20
Speaker 4: about them trying to deal with the fact that they're
40:23
Speaker 4: a weak government. It's all about the votes. It's not
40:25
Speaker 4: about bringing unity to this country. Nothing to do a
40:28
Speaker 4: social unity, nothing to do a social cohesion. They should
40:31
Speaker 4: be ashamed of themselves. It is grubby politics.
40:36
Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, I think Labour's in the
40:39
Speaker 2: gun here as well as the Greens because Labor has
40:42
Speaker 2: panned it, appeased.
40:44
Speaker 5: The Greens for far too long.
40:45
Speaker 2: We saw Greens a state Greens MP make an appearance
40:48
Speaker 2: at those protests in Melbourne yesterday and we've got a
40:51
Speaker 2: radical Green in the New South Wales local elections saying
40:54
Speaker 2: that the Israeli Defense Force is quote worse than Hummaus
40:58
Speaker 2: or isis.
41:00
Speaker 5: James Ashby, You're.
41:02
Speaker 2: Not a serious political party in Australia if you do
41:04
Speaker 2: not put the Greens last at the next election.
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Speaker 11: Well when will Labor learn this is the biggest issue.
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Speaker 11: It's a cozy relationship that happens on a local level,
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Speaker 11: whether it's a council election, state elections which we've got
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Speaker 11: coming up here in a bit over fifty days in Queensland,
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Speaker 11: or federally. And for some reason, because Labor continue to
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Speaker 11: say that the Greens aren't a problem, you've got all
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Speaker 11: these young voters that are coming through the system going
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Speaker 11: oh the Greens love trees. The Greens love dolphins. The
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Speaker 11: Greens love koalas. That is the last thing they love.
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Speaker 11: They use that as a mechanism to fundraise only and
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Speaker 11: then they undermine Australians every single time they get a
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Speaker 11: member of Parliament elected. The only way to deal with
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Speaker 11: the Greens, it doesn't matter which party you are, one
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Speaker 11: nation to made it very clear. We're putting them last
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Speaker 11: on our head of those cards here in Queensland, and
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Speaker 11: we'll be putting labor second last. The simple fact is
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Speaker 11: put labor on the Greens last dead easy here here.
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Speaker 2: You've got to wipe them off the map, just like
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Speaker 2: they want to do with Israel.
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Speaker 5: You've got to wipe them off the map.
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Speaker 2: Hey there's misinformation bill. Goodness me, James McGrath. Labors put
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Speaker 2: a new version out. They're saying that it now covers
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Speaker 2: political content and that they quote carefully balance free speech.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of this draft and where it's headed?
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Speaker 4: This is not This is a pretty bad bill. The
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Speaker 4: Liberal National Party will always support freedom of speech. We're
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Speaker 4: not going to support any bill that attempts to curtail
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Speaker 4: freedom of speech. We're particularly worried about the fact that
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Speaker 4: the Minister can direct an investigation into someone's exercise of
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Speaker 4: freedom of speech. That is so wrong. No minister, whether
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Speaker 4: especially a Labor or Green minister, should be interfering with
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Speaker 4: our god given right to express our freedom of speech
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Speaker 4: in this country.
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Speaker 2: Jim Charvis is having a bit of a shocker lately,
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Speaker 2: is in trouble with everybody, is fighting with everyone.
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Speaker 5: It's everyone's fault but him.
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Speaker 2: We saw today that three former Reserve Bank governors, including
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Speaker 2: one very labor guy, Bernie Fraser, who's been a spooker
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Speaker 2: for labour's industry fronts, have all voiced their opposition to
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Speaker 2: the plans from Labor. James Ashby, what do you make
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Speaker 2: of this opposition coming out from senior ranks of former governors.
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Speaker 11: Well, when Jim Chalmers was first elected to the ministerial
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Speaker 11: role that he has, you know the media thought that
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Speaker 11: Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Well, aren't they seeing
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Speaker 11: a different side to him now? The problem with Labor
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Speaker 11: is they're not listening at all. The RBA have said
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Speaker 11: to them, you know, if you want to see interest
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Speaker 11: rates cut over the very short term, you've got a
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Speaker 11: cut government spending. They haven't listened there, and all of
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Speaker 11: a sudden they want to go and tinker with the
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Speaker 11: board and give these part timers more power than the
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Speaker 11: RBA boss herself at this very moment.
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Speaker 5: Look, labor will never learn.
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Speaker 11: They love to take advice from overseas interests, and sadly
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Speaker 11: here with the Coalition waking up to themselves and saying
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Speaker 11: they won't support this change, it is now down to
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Speaker 11: the Greens and the cross Bench. The Teals we're talking
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Speaker 11: about the Teals here though, are the last people that
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Speaker 11: should be advising anybody on financial issues in this country,
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Speaker 11: let alone the RBA and the government on the matter
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Speaker 11: of the RBA.
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Speaker 5: Not wrong.
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Speaker 2: James McGraw, you've been a campaign and we talk about
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Speaker 2: this often obviously now in the Senate. I want to
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Speaker 2: get your political instincts on this one. The PM absolutely
44:27
Speaker 2: has got the right to sell his investment property, but
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Speaker 2: he's living in taxpayer funded accommodation. He's kicked the tenant
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Speaker 2: out a couple of months ago. He's hoping this Dulitch
44:36
Speaker 2: Hill house will sell for one point nine million. I
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Speaker 2: just think it's a really bad look to do this now.
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Speaker 2: Why he's in the top job, why he's got the comfort,
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Speaker 2: as I said of his two taxpayer funded mansions in
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Speaker 2: a cost of living crisis. Couldn't he have waited till
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Speaker 2: he was out of office to sell this property.
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Speaker 4: We've got a prime minister who's not this weak, but
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Speaker 4: he's out of touch. Got to focus on evicting him
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Speaker 4: from his two taxpayer funded properties. We've also got a
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Speaker 4: prime minister who just doesn't get it. There's not just
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Speaker 4: a cost of living crisis out there. There is a
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Speaker 4: housing crisis. And what the Prime Minister has done is
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Speaker 4: he's evicted someone. He's going to sell it for a profit.
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Speaker 4: We'll good on him. I'm a capitalist, but it just
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Speaker 4: shows his tone deaf to what is happening out in Australia.
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Speaker 4: He's in the camera bubble. He's forgotten what it is like.
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Speaker 4: We've just got to get rid of this guy. He's
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Speaker 4: a hypocrite.
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Speaker 2: I can see t shirts coming out for you with
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Speaker 2: Victor Prime Minister from the Lodge. I do make the
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Speaker 2: point yet again, when Tony Abbott was Prime Minister living
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Speaker 2: in the taxpayer fund that little flaty had the lodge
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Speaker 2: obviously was out of action and he was at the
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Speaker 2: Police College. He did not rent out his Sydney house.
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Speaker 2: He thought it would be wrong to sort of double
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Speaker 2: dip from the taxpayer. Jans, have a good weekend. I
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Speaker 2: can see your campaigning. James Ashby, good luck to you.
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Speaker 2: See you both next week. All right, after the break,
45:56
Speaker 2: we're going to get into some local council issues. Wait
45:59
Speaker 2: from TEA, what's coming on? There's been a big survey.
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Speaker 2: Tell you what you don't care about Gaza. You care
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Speaker 2: about your council doing.
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Speaker 5: Its job, don't you, CEC Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you're in Sydney this weekend, you go to
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Speaker 2: the polls for your local council elections. We'll see if
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Speaker 2: Clever Moore survives. In Victoria. It happens in October and
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Speaker 2: Council Watch have released a report detailing the priorities that
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Speaker 2: you actually care about at the local council level. It
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Speaker 2: found the council satisfaction was generally low across the state
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Speaker 2: of Victoria, and the voters were particularly concerned. No surprises
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Speaker 2: here about cost of living. In fact, seventy percent said
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Speaker 2: they were finding it much more difficult to pay their
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Speaker 2: rates this year than last year. The president of Council Watch,
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Speaker 2: Dean Hurlston, joins me this report, you've done, this survey
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Speaker 2: is focused on Victoria, but I suspect this is right
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Speaker 2: across the board, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: What did you find?
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Speaker 7: What we found, Peter, as you said, was that over
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Speaker 7: seventy percent of Victorians, and we would say the same
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Speaker 7: in New South Wales are finding it much harder to
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Speaker 7: pay their rates. And it's a real warning sign to candidates,
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Speaker 7: renewing counselors and to CEOs that they can't just sit
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Speaker 7: on these piles of money and think they're entitled to them.
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Speaker 7: There are some real difficult situations out there and councils
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Speaker 7: need to be much more empathetic when people are in
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Speaker 7: really serious hardship. Eighty four percent of Victorians expect rates discounts.
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Speaker 7: Councils don't give any money back, They hoard it all.
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Speaker 2: And we also know that they put the money in
47:25
Speaker 2: places that are not a priority.
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Speaker 5: Or even the responsibility.
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Speaker 2: Refugee Action days and all that sort of stuff absolutely
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with local council No.
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Speaker 7: What we found were there, you know, it's total waste.
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Speaker 7: What we found was that councils, as I said to
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Speaker 7: you recently, were infected by a lot of activism, and
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Speaker 7: activism was actually diluting the pool of funds available that
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Speaker 7: counselors are fighting tooth and mail just to get the
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Speaker 7: basics fixed. You know, footpaths, roads, etc. Now across the state,
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Speaker 7: we know that over eighty five percent of Victorians say
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Speaker 7: that roads are not good enough, and council roads specifically
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Speaker 7: need the line share of funding. Footpaths, drains, parks, graffiti,
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Speaker 7: street cleaning. These are all the things we expect from
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Speaker 7: councils that they find a bit boring. They want to
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Speaker 7: jet off and do other things. No overseas travel ever,
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Speaker 7: that was clear in the survey. And absolutely no spending
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Speaker 7: on money on junkets into state, et cetera. So what
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Speaker 7: we know is that people want councils and particularly CEOs
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Speaker 7: to start raining in wasteful spending, get the priorities right
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Speaker 7: and deliver value.
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Speaker 2: People might be shocked when they hear what these council
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Speaker 2: CEOs earn.
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Speaker 5: Tell my viewers.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so council CEOs earn anywhere from you know, in
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Speaker 7: a very small council around two fifty three hundred right
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Speaker 7: up to seven hundred thousand dollars. Now they have no.
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Speaker 5: Public more than the Prime minister, more than the.
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister, and no public standards or metrics that we
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Speaker 7: can see that tells us whether they're doing a good job,
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Speaker 7: all hidden behind a cloak of secrecy.
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Speaker 5: People want. That's on that point, so people at home
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Speaker 5: follow this sure.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you were running a big government department
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Speaker 2: in Canberra, you have to front estimates that absolutely suitable
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Speaker 2: to the Senate for everything you spend them for how
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Speaker 2: you do your job. These CEOs of councils are not
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Speaker 2: answerable to anyone.
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Speaker 7: No, They're answerable by and large to the councilor group.
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Speaker 7: But unfortunately we've got legislation in Victoria Peter that prevents
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Speaker 7: the councilor group from demanding information. The CEO can simply
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Speaker 7: say to counselors no, you can't have that information. And
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Speaker 7: the elected counselors are controlled by a bureaucrat. It's got
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Speaker 7: to change. It's absolutely the tail wagging the dog. It's
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Speaker 7: why there's so much waste and this election we need
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Speaker 7: to see electors actually make really good decisions around choosing
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Speaker 7: candidates that are not interested in anything but getting those
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Speaker 7: basics and the service right, which.
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Speaker 5: Is about out of time, surprises, any surprises, yep.
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Speaker 7: One of the huge things that came out of this
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Speaker 7: Peter was that residents and traders across every council in
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Speaker 7: Victoria want High street parking to be free.
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Speaker 2: Ah free speaking my language, and get rid of free
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Speaker 2: bike lanes. Absolutely, Dean Houston, thank you, I forget. When
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Speaker 2: we go to vote in Victoria and local council elections
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Speaker 2: in October, look for Council Watch. They're going to have
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Speaker 2: a little sheet that tells you exactly who these people
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Speaker 2: really are and what they tell you they care about,
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Speaker 2: what they really are doing on the ground.
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Speaker 5: All right, that's if you me. Have a lovely weekend. Everyone,
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Speaker 5: I'll see you back come Ony day at six o'clock.
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Speaker 5: Here's Andrew