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Chase (Green Beret Nap Time) Iran War, Enemy Within, and Media Noise · World Ablaze with George Fontes

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  okay everybody thanks for tuning into another world of blades to have a very special guest
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  case better known by his alias green beret nap time all over social media um man you got a pretty
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  decent reach i see that on sub stack you're all over the place on x you got a very uh very good
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  following, not just a following, but an engaging following. A lot of people really like your
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  assessments of what you have to say. And I'm sure a lot of that is based on your experience and what
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  you have gone through. And so with that, I think I'm just going to get into this if you're good
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  with that, just to make use of our time. Because I know you're pretty busy yourself. I'm going to
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  stay focused on America. I'm going to stay focused on America. And we're going to talk about some of
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  things that have been an issue in dividing us. Much of it, I believe, is a psyop. But firstly,
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  let's talk about what's hot right now just because we're back at it. And let's talk about the Iran
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  War. I wanted to get you on the show earlier when we started talking, but I know our schedules didn't
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  align because of the Iran War. I wanted to get your perspective on this. And I've heard you on
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  a few of your own episodes bring this up. So I think this is timely given what's going on.
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  So firstly, though, this is what I want to know from you.
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  How do you think our president, Trump, has been handling this conflict up till now?
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  Give me the hot water right off the bat.
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  I told you we're jumping in.
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  I mean, no leader handles a conflict perfectly.
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  It's just not the way the world works.
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  It's not the way anything really works in the world.
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  So obviously, there were some missteps here and there.
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  And there's some things too that we just don't know.
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  And that's one issue when we look at this from just a OSINT lens.
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  Like what can we see from the reporting?
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  What can we see?
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  What can be trusted?
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  All these kinds of things.
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  And it's pretty narrow on what we actually see.
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  So we can be critical, right?
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  And I think the issue we have today is a lot of people dislike when you criticize anything.
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  So if you criticize my guy, it's because you hate my guy and you hate me.
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  And now we should hate each other.
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  And it's like, no, I support Trump and I support the war in Iran because it should have happened almost 50 years ago.
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  It should have never allowed to get to the place that it was today.
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  But we just kicked the can down the road.
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  And so I would say I dislike the attempts at negotiation.
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  I understand why they did them.
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  I understand this process you have.
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  When you look at a conflict, especially one that big and then one that publicized, you
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  have the public perception that it has to be played into it, come into effect when you're
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  planning these things.
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  So I think that that was a way to show like, hey, we are trying to actually, we don't want
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  to just go to war willy-nilly and then continue to bomb and all this stuff.
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  We actually want a peaceful process in the end of this.
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  So I see it from that perspective.
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  But I think you also just have to realize that when you're dealing with fanatics, when you're dealing with people that have killed at least 40,000 of the numbers that we know, but likely more of their own citizens just that were, you know, protesting the streets unarmed.
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  Then you kind of have to look at this from that lens and understand maybe they're buying time for certain things to line up.
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  Logistics have to line up like everything.
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  And, you know, if we did 13,000 sorties and missile attacks in the first run, not to say we couldn't have kept them going, but you also, you have to look at op tempo.
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  You have to look at what your guys are doing.
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  Like, are we going to cycle ships out?
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  Are we going to move certain things like this?
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  The whole logistical aspect has to go into it too.
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  So I would say he hasn't done a terrible job by any means.
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  I think it was necessary to happen.
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  I think he's handled a lot of the criticism well.
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  the JD Vance MOU thing. I mean, it was an unpopular MOU, but I think that was the point
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  as well. I think they were like, Hey, we're going to give them a home run grand slam,
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  set it up perfectly. Whereas as long as they just follow all the rules, they'll be fine.
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  But we know they're not going to follow all the rules because they're a fanatical Islamic
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  terrorist regime. Right. So I think you just kind of, it's, there's so much nuance involved
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  that we could talk about like all day. Yeah. But I think, I think that's the main
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  thing is that he's done better than previous presidents have done because the IRGC and the
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  ability of the Islamic Republic to force project in the region has diminished drastically. We're
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  talking about military forces, capabilities are down, the ability for the Quds Force to continue
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  command and control on the proxies in Northern Africa, all the way through the Levant, all the
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  through uh and up into turkey really so you have this whole kind of area that they're running
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  operations and now that's degraded it's not they don't have the same command and control they don't
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  have the same logistical resupply they don't have all the things that you need to continue
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  prosecuting some of these wars that they're they're pushing and so from that standpoint
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  it's definitely a win for to answer your question in a really long way no no no that that actually
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  wasn't long i get you've seen any of my previous stuff i get pretty detailed myself um so an
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  And here's the thing.
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  What I'm going to do here is not fight you because it seems like you and I see it very, very, very similar.
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  Not to lie to you.
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  But I got to play the devil's advocate a bit.
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  So what about the reports of it all being a ruse or a lie that Trump really doesn't know what's going on?
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  That we have no idea that 40,000 or so people were actually killed by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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  And that Iran is stronger than they ever were.
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  that their stockpile of missiles, for example, has not really been diminished as we've seen
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  more and more attacks this time on our own bases in the Gulf states.
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  Now, and then as far as J.D. Vance's MOU, a lot of people say, well, there's two things to that.
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  Maybe they had to do that so they didn't have to declare war, but it also gave Iran a chance
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  to regroup and refresh. So there's a few things there, obviously. If you want to tackle any of
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  those or if you can touch on all of it, that'd be great. But what do you think of those things
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  that people are saying? I think that saying that Trump doesn't actually know what's going on or
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  is not getting competent intelligence briefings on what's happening. Our human networks in Iran
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  are terrible compared to a lot of other places, but Israel and the Gulf states have pretty good
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  intelligence networks inside Iran. And they've been fostering those for a while. So I don't think
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  that we went into this blind um most people don't understand the like planning process of what would
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  happen for a theater theater level operation like that so all right you go to the you know the
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  president it's like hey we're gonna go attack attack whatever nigeria for whatever reason
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  there's there they became tyrannical they're a terrible country maybe pick your poison whatever
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  right but say he wants to do that the the higher levels so the the gcc commander which is the
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  the geographic combatant command. So that's,
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  there's different areas of responsibility for each of these geographic
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  commands. And so that commander is going to then push down his,
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  like what he wants for this mission and what, what needs to happen.
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  Basically the goals that would be like the president's goals for to happen,
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  which is essentially what they did with the Iran kind of breakdown of,
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  you know, these are the thing, like, they're never going to have a nuke.
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  They're not so on and so forth. There's a list of, right.
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  This is the results that we want out of this conflict.
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  and then from there they're going to push it down and it's going to go down into the TSOCs,
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  it's going to go down into the next levels, the lower units under that and they're all going to
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  plan their missions based off of that higher guidance initially from what was from the
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  president and then into the GCC and down and so that doesn't work like that's not a it's not a
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  process perfect necessarily and some GCCs are better than others just because there's some
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  there you know some have been in sitcom has been in direct combat operations for the last two to
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  three decades you know solid right they you know whereas some of these other geographic commands
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  have not been in that kind of or they just have a different outlook of the world based on where
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  they where they are but so like sitcom for example though they're going after this this mission they
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  have these guidelines and the planners are going to plan from not only the not only from like their
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  doctrine, but also from the joint planning process doctrine, which is what we use so that
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  when the intelligence community, any three letters, any other, you know, the state department,
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  any other people that are going to be involved from the whole government aspect, that plan has
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  to come together from like all of those different levels. And so I just don't think it's a realistic
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  way to look at it and say like, they didn't know, right? Because if they didn't know, then that's
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  going to be a CCRI and that's going to come out later and it's going to be a request for
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  intelligence. So like they're going to say, okay, we need to know what is happening in this part
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  and whether that's through our partner forces or whether that's through us or our sources,
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  we need to learn, you know, we need to get answers back on these, these, these, and these. And then
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  once they get those back, then they continue their planning process. So to me, it just seems,
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  it seems like an easy way to dismiss just Trump being Trump sometimes and just the way that Trump
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  presents things in public, which is just not always the best. And that's, you know,
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  anybody who has a brain and like, well, has watched Trump, they're like, okay,
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  like you could have said that whole statement that took you 30 minutes and six minutes. And we,
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  and we would all be gone now and we would still know the same information. Um, but so I think
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  they take that and they project it onto kind of the military and that planning process that they
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  don't understand. And then that's, so that's where you get a lot of that. And again, we just don't
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  know what we don't know. So we're acting like we have insider information that we just don't have.
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  And anybody that does have that insider information, if they were to put it out,
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  then they would be breaking classified laws. They'd be breaking NDAs, all the different things.
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  So it's one of those things I'm like, if anybody says they're on the inside and this is what's
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  happening, they're either breaking the law or they're allowed to talk about that specific part
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  for whatever reason.
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  And that's like a clue as well.
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  Right?
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  So like,
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  you just have to be,
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  you just have to kind of look at it
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  from that perspective.
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  What was the next,
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  what was the next part of the,
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  your,
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  it was like a three-part question,
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  right?
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  Talking about a bit there.
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  So you just,
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  you just covered how,
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  whether Trump knows
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  what he's doing or not.
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  Right?
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  The other thing was
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  the J.D. Vance MOU.
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  Like,
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  was it a mistake?
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  Was it more about
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  Like, was it a chance to negotiate or was it really just Iran's chance to regroup and refresh, for example?
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  I mean, if they were able to regroup and refresh, we were too.
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  And so that also allows us to replenish the target deck.
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  So, you know, you do 13,000 sororities, you've put a dent in...
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  If you haven't cleared your target deck, you put a significant dent in it.
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  And so that your lower level targets in your first assessments now may be what would be considered a little bit higher level targets
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  because they have filled the roles of other people
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  or other parts of the network that were destroyed in your initial push.
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  So you refresh that target deck.
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  So that's good for us too.
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  Logistically, I mean, we're fighting a war thousands of miles away.
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  So we have to ensure that we can resupply that.
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  They're fighting a war in their home country.
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  So their resupply is a little bit easier.
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  So we did, you know, we allow them to do that.
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  You also have to remember though, like, so for these, you know,
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  because the other part you're talking about the missiles,
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  they've launched some missiles.
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  they've been hiding they've been hiding military equipment and missiles in all these different
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  places all over their country which is kind of a natural fortress on its own just the way that
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  it's set up that's why persia was always such a gem for everybody it was it's you know cradle
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  civilization almost and then but it's it's uh just fortified by its own geography right so
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  so they've been hiding you know these missiles all over their country for years and years and
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  They weren't using money to better their populace or to better the life of Iranians.
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  They were using their money to create a hardened state so that they could do exactly what they're doing right now.
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  So when you're a rogue terrorist regime, your concern is your fallback position.
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  How are we going to continue to operate once we've been interdicted to a point?
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  It's the same thing that the cartels do.
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  Same thing criminal organizations do.
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  They operate under this assumption that eventually they are going to be compromised at certain levels and they need to be able to fall back so that they can counterattack from these different positions.
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  And so that's what they're doing.
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  So they have these places that we didn necessarily know about where they can launch missiles from because they hidden them well and they hidden them over many years and they built them over a lot of time It was why they were able to always kind of re into their rhythm with the nuclear pursuits that they were doing was because again think of we had clouds for how long and from like an AWS kind of server
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  We've had the capability for a while.
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  so they're just
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  offloading all their data somewhere else
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  so even if you destroy
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  everything in the
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  you know, wherever they're building
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  this stuff, you destroy it all
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  they're just going to go build another place
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  they already have all the specs, they already have everything that they need
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  they know what they get and they're getting funded by China
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  and Russia to continue doing this stuff
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  and they're getting supported by them as well
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  so they can easily
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  pick back up, so it's a never ending
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  process, that's why you either, you got it in the
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  regime and
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  and like either have it set up from a resistance standpoint that good guys
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  take over,
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  at least good ish guys take over,
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  right?
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  Obviously it's not a perfect world.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  some people that could be in a position to lead like the least terrible way
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  might be the best option that there is in that country.
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  Right.
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  But it's,
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  it's again,
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  it's a balancing act of all these things.
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  And then when do you,
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  when do you actually get to go strike?
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  When do you do your strikes?
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  if you topple the regime too early when certain other people are in
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  like they have hands on levers of power, then they could easily take control
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  and maybe they're worse, right? We saw that with Iraq. We saw
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  Saddam kind of held the country together in his own way. I'm not saying he was a great dude
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  or anything. He was obviously terrible. But some dictators are worse than others.
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  and Saddam on a
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  scale of
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  one to Hitler wasn't
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  necessarily all that bad
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  if you look at it from that perspective.
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  I understand what you're saying. You've got to go with the lesser
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  of evils. Yeah, and
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  sometimes that's the only option there.
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  Do you want Marxists
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  to take over in Iran? Absolutely not.
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  But
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  what if there are cells of
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  these
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  different groups that have some power
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  and they're obviously, they don't
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  believe what like Americans believe about individual rights and about,
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  you know,
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  what our constitution built off of,
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  but maybe they're also not evil and they're not going to just murder
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  everybody,
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  you know,
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  just because they go out on the street and protest.
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  So you're at a win at that point.
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  Right.
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  I've always said this war will be a success.
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  If at the end of it,
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  the,
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  what,
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  even if it's the Islamic Republic,
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  if it's a completely changed version of the Islamic Republic,
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  certain people take over and,
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  And which, again, that's hard too
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  because we're talking about fanatics.
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  But I don't either.
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  But at the end of the day,
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  what would be a win is Iran joining the world stage,
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  you know, where we don't have to sanction them anymore,
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  where they're not going to push proxy forces
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  to attack their neighbors
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  and to thwart American influence in the region
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  and to, you know, ultimately harm the West
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  is the actual goal.
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  Stop getting in bed with China as much.
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  But really, if they just join the world stage again
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  to be like, we, you know,
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  You can fly to Tehran and go vacation and you're not going to get your head cut off.
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  And that's one of those things.
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  If we can get to that point, then it's kind of a win because they are a very strategic country in the world of geopolitics.
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  And especially just in where they are located in the world, the different influences they have on especially not only the Middle East, but just other aspects.
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  I mean, they have Hezbollah and they have other proxy forces in South America and in Cuba.
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  So that's not a secret.
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  it. So it's just one of those things, you know, a lot of nuance.
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  Yeah, there is. So I'm not going to, um, I'm not going to talk, I'm not going to talk about this
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  the whole time that, you know, you and I are having this discussion, but I want to reach back a bit
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  about what you said, which is true. Uh, nobody really knows what's going on. Um, there's a lot
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  of people claim that they know what's happening, but they don't. My counter to you though, and I
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  I know that you served, but counter being this, there are journalists, there are people who are there.
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  There are actual intel experts that while they can't tell you exactly what they know, they could drop little nuggets in hands.
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  And you could start to, I would say, believe certain people based on their track record to probably be a little bit more accurate as to what may or may not be happening than others.
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  versus let's say you can tell when it's like some kind of a slop account on social media,
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  for example, that's just spreading propaganda or just trying to get attention.
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  And from my experience, I have talked to many individuals.
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  I've talked to Iranian resistance leaders.
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  I've talked to journalists.
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  I've talked to people in Intel.
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  And they themselves tell me they can't tell me exactly what they know
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  because they're still active.
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  But, you know, and I'm never going to throw those guys under the bus.
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  But I'm just saying, you can trust certain people based on their accuracy over time.
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  And so I have my own views on it.
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  But at the same time, I'm not disagreeing with you.
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  I also think you're correct.
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  And I've said this exactly how you said it.
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  I think that this is long overdue.
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  I think that after they took power in 1979, the Islamic regime, and they started attacking
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  the U.S. embassy not shortly after.
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  and just starting to fund their proxies to reign terror,
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  not just in the Middle East, on the world.
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  Like in my view, this is my view, and you may have a different view.
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  But to me, I don't see where the Islamic regime has been a benefit to the Middle East
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  or even the world whatsoever since they took over.
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  They really have not been, in my opinion.
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  And so what I see happening with Trump, and I like Trump, by the way,
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  but what I see happening is I see somebody who doesn't want another Vietnam.
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  and if you look at what's going on with the public and how they're reacting,
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  it's very similar to what was going on in Vietnam.
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  You've got the subrising of people who don't want to support the troops dying,
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  which nobody wants troops to die.
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  I mean, but in war, unfortunately it happens, but none of us want that.
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  I mean, I'm not advocating for it,
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  but they don't see the reason why our troops are there at all.
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  They think we're fighting for Israel, which is another bunch of bullshit.
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  And so the thing being is I don't think Trump from the outset,
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  this whole start stop.
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  I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
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  He's trying to attack them from afar
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  because in my opinion,
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  and he's stated this himself
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  as he literally doesn't want troops to die.
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  I think he's trying to win this
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  with both a show of force
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  through technical ability,
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  through the fact that we have a far reach
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  with our own missiles, for example.
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  I don't think he wants to engage hand to hand.
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  Also, if you look at the terrain of Iran,
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  it's going to be a very hard thing to do
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  to really get in there
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  and have any kind of a ground operation anyway.
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  Personally, I would have bombed Karg Island
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  and been done with it.
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  So you screw the oil,
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  whatever, who cares?
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  Because the only thing
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  keeping Iran alive is money.
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  Right now,
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  they have little of it
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  because most of it's been cut off.
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  Even China can't really
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  do much business with them.
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  And a lot of people argue
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  that this whole situation
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  was really about China.
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  I don't think it was
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  just about China, though.
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  It literally was about Iran.
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  And you also have a look
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  at Russia and China.
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  They are involved,
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  which is why we went
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  to Venezuela, as you know.
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  So anyway,
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  that is just my view on it.
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  I just think Trump's been hesitant
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  because he doesn't want
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  to see anyone die.
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  But in the end,
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  I mean...
• 20:26
  People hate what's happening because it's Trump.
• 20:28
  This should have been dealt with years ago.
• 20:30
  They just don't like it because it just happens to be Trump doing it.
• 20:33
  But at some point, we would have had to do this.
• 20:36
  How do you feel about that?
• 20:37
  Do you think I'm on track here or do you have a different view on that?
• 20:41
  No, I mean, I agree.
• 20:43
  I mean, like I said earlier, it had to happen.
• 20:45
  And it should have happened a long time ago.
• 20:47
  It should have happened when they were pushing, what's it called?
• 20:53
  the uh hey i just went blank on it the efps the efps that they were so they they basically took
• 21:03
  that design from world war ii uh well the germans used it a little bit um but it's basically a
• 21:09
  penetrator for for those that don't know it's a penetrator that takes a a thin uh copper you know
• 21:17
  plate and then puts an explosive behind it and then it shoots that forward and it basically
• 21:21
  superheats and goes through almost anything.
• 21:23
  It goes through tanks, goes through
• 21:24
  all kinds of stuff. And it killed a lot
• 21:27
  of service members, especially in Iraq.
• 21:29
  And they were the ones pushing that into Iraq.
• 21:32
  Because, and
• 21:33
  a lot of people don't realize the differences
• 21:35
  just in
• 21:36
  Shia and Sunni Muslims
• 21:39
  and the fact that they were,
• 21:41
  so Sunni leadership
• 21:43
  ran Iraq under
• 21:45
  Saddam.
• 21:48
  So, I was like,
• 21:50
  going blank on stuff.
• 21:51
  So Saddam, that's Sunni leadership, but they do have a big Shia population in Iraq.
• 21:58
  But he kind of held everything together.
• 22:02
  He kept Iran at bay because while he was in control, he had a million-man army.
• 22:09
  Obviously, most people didn't know that it was just made up of a house of cards, essentially.
• 22:16
  And they got destroyed and decimated by us very quickly.
• 22:19
  But that's also just, they would have probably held a better fight against Iran, you know, or some of these other nations, just because they have similar fighting styles, similar TTPs, similar equipment.
• 22:30
  We just are so technologically advanced than almost, even today.
• 22:34
  I mean, we're so much, we're so farther ahead than, so much farther ahead than China, even in this race, that China's only hope is the information warfare aspect and the AI warfare aspect.
• 22:46
  Those are the two things that they could still compete in with us, especially because we have an open populace that has open media that can't be controlled.
• 22:56
  You can't push propaganda into China because China has complete control over all their media.
• 23:01
  It's closed off.
• 23:02
  Right.
• 23:02
  So just like Russia, you can't go push propaganda into Russia because you couldn't broadcast there.
• 23:07
  And if you did go to Russia and start broadcasting things that they didn't like, they would kill you.
• 23:12
  Isn't that also one of the challenges we've had with Iran?
• 23:14
  how they have a lockdown?
• 23:17
  Yes. Yes. Communication
• 23:18
  is
• 23:20
  almost non-existent. They're jammed.
• 23:23
  They jammed everything. All the major cities
• 23:25
  get completely jammed. And then
• 23:27
  the places that they do leave open that you can
• 23:29
  send signals out, they have them
• 23:31
  scanned. They're scanning those areas so that
• 23:33
  if you do go send a signal, they're going to come in or
• 23:34
  dig to you afterwards. So it creates an
• 23:37
  environment that's very difficult to get
• 23:38
  information in and out of that country.
• 23:41
  And so that's another aspect, right?
• 23:43
  So, and
• 23:44
  And to kind of on your point, yeah, I think Trump, I think a lot of this is that every single service member that dies, whether they're in a base overseas and they're not even in Iran, like whatever it is, that's political capital that's just getting, that's just crushing it.
• 24:00
  Right. And it's just crushing the GOP.
• 24:02
  Right.
• 24:02
  Because they've pushed so much so hard that this war is unnecessary.
• 24:07
  It's a war of choice, which is not even a thing.
• 24:10
  Like, it's just like, what?
• 24:11
  but you know they use all these these propaganda words to push it this way and so he has to
• 24:16
  at least you know he has to react to that in some way or another whether or not you just capitulate
• 24:22
  i mean i disagree but at the same time like you have to weigh that into your decision making
• 24:27
  process when you're talking about any of this stuff so of course that absolutely weighs on him
• 24:32
  um i mean also just the fact that he probably just doesn't want u.s service members to die which i
• 24:37
  get like obviously that's the goal but at the end of the day we all signed on that dotted line
• 24:42
  knowing that we were going to go into somewhere that might be dangerous and that where people
• 24:46
  will be trying to take our lives and that's just kind of the the gamble that's the the
• 24:51
  the penance that you pay you know for doing this whether you know when you're looking at it that
• 24:55
  way or not it's just that's the reality of it and that's why i always say you know i mean it
• 24:59
  obviously sucks to lose brothers it's terrible no one wants to do that like you you want them
• 25:04
  it shatters lives.
• 25:06
  But at the same time,
• 25:07
  like my bros that died over there,
• 25:09
  like they died doing what they loved and what they were,
• 25:12
  what they were wanting to do with their lives.
• 25:14
  It wasn't,
• 25:14
  no one,
• 25:14
  no one was like,
• 25:15
  crap,
• 25:16
  I don't want to go to Iraq or Afghanistan.
• 25:17
  It was like,
• 25:18
  you know,
• 25:19
  that's where the enemy is.
• 25:20
  We have to go there and we have to do this job.
• 25:23
  So.
• 25:25
  Okay.
• 25:25
  I'm going to ask you one last thing about this.
• 25:26
  We'll move on.
• 25:27
  Do you think that the U.S.
• 25:30
  can win this and hear me out as to why I ask you this?
• 25:34
  Again, comparing contrast to Vietnam, I know it's slightly different.
• 25:38
  But again, without the support of the American people, if you look at it politically, can the administration still push this issue?
• 25:47
  Can they still carry out an operation without having any support?
• 25:53
  I think if they going to do it I think they worried about midterms But the lifespan of news and the lifespan of a story is so fast now
• 26:06
  Yeah.
• 26:07
  Like all of these things,
• 26:08
  the mistakes that were made
• 26:10
  by all this adversarial propaganda
• 26:12
  that's being pushed right now
• 26:13
  is they started it too early.
• 26:15
  Like they went with,
• 26:16
  because a lot of it's reactionary too.
• 26:17
  So that's what I was going to do
• 26:18
  with people who don't understand about propaganda.
• 26:19
  It's not like,
• 26:20
  there's not a playbook where they're like,
• 26:22
  this week we're going to push this.
• 26:24
  Like most of this, most of it is literally reactionary. They see what is getting pushed. They saw the negative reaction to the J.D. Vance's pushing the MOU and the things that he said. And then immediately, you know, they jump on that and they start pressing the gas on that.
• 26:39
  And then they move, oh, anybody who's against Vance or anybody who's criticizing this is paid for by Israel. You know, whatever the talking point is. And that's the way propaganda is the most effective. So that's the way that they're pushing it.
• 26:53
  So whether or not we can win, you know, based on the political climate and what people in the United States think.
• 27:03
  Yeah, because I think social media, one, is a poor gauge of what the actual population of the United States is thinking.
• 27:10
  We've seen that now.
• 27:12
  We were worried about some of these races with some of these, you know, crazy, what I call the halal right dudes.
• 27:17
  They're basically just modern day Nazis.
• 27:20
  they're gonna they're gonna sit here and be like how dare you call me a nazi because i think no like
• 27:25
  you i'm calling you a nazi because you do nazi like things um and you have nazi like views
• 27:29
  but you know those we saw those kind of people in these races and we saw those people that
• 27:35
  embrace these certain things that are very unpopular in the in the real world and they
• 27:41
  lost in the real world and so you know sometimes we get sucked into this and i do it all the time
• 27:46
  because X is also kind of a weird...
• 27:49
  It's just a different social media
• 27:51
  than some of the rest of them.
• 27:52
  Most people are on Facebook, Instagram.
• 27:54
  Yeah, most people are on those
• 27:56
  and then TikTok in a sense.
• 27:59
  But X, there are a lot of people on X,
• 28:01
  but it's just like, again, different niche.
• 28:03
  And you can just get caught up into thinking like,
• 28:06
  okay, this is really, really bad.
• 28:08
  Every reply I get when I say certain things
• 28:11
  or not every reply,
• 28:12
  but if I put anything about Israel at all,
• 28:14
  that's even remotely...
• 28:16
  positive about them. I get, you know, a hundred bot replies or something. They're just people just
• 28:21
  saying whatever. And so that can, that can like, you know, once you hear enough of it, you're like,
• 28:26
  good Lord, like how many of these people are there? Even knowing that a lot of them are probably bots.
• 28:31
  So I think you just got to ignore that. I think they have to do, I think what Trump just needs
• 28:35
  to do is like victory is victory, right? And if, and a sound victory that you can then highlight
• 28:40
  is way more valuable and will sway way more people than dragging your feet and kind of not
• 28:48
  doing anything just so that you don't get backlash. That's just not the way I would
• 28:52
  approach it. So I hope they do have a plan to just finish it off. But again, it's a delicate,
• 28:58
  like, okay, how do you overtake or how do you overthrow a regime that has been entrenched now
• 29:06
  for 50 years. Imagine if the Nazis had not attacked everyone and had maybe taken Poland
• 29:12
  and one other country and then just hardened and for 50 years just built and pushed their
• 29:18
  propaganda and made sure that every single position of power was a Nazi. That's what the
• 29:25
  Islamic Republic was able to do. So you can kind of see it's very hard to crack this egg.
• 29:33
  and the way you do it is through unconventional warfare.
• 29:38
  And I've been talking about that for a long time.
• 29:40
  And the thing about unconventional warfare, though, is it's not fast.
• 29:45
  There probably wasn't a lot being done before the bombs were dropped back in February
• 29:49
  just because it was such a denied area.
• 29:52
  I mean, how are you going to foment a resistance
• 29:56
  if you have a crowd of people that is not for a specific reason
• 30:03
  that the regime has allowed,
• 30:05
  you're all going to get interdicted.
• 30:06
  How do you plan things then
• 30:08
  if all communication is being watched?
• 30:10
  How do you run sources
• 30:12
  if the IRGC has agents and assets everywhere
• 30:16
  and you never know who's actually working for them
• 30:18
  or who's on payroll?
• 30:19
  I mean, there's been reports
• 30:21
  that a significant amount of their population
• 30:24
  is on payroll by the IRGC
• 30:26
  just to pass information if anything does happen.
• 30:29
  So...
• 30:29
  Yeah, that tracks.
• 30:31
  Look at it that way.
• 30:31
  yeah so when you look at it that way it's like okay um can you know can we win yeah we absolutely
• 30:38
  can um it's just are we willing to do what's necessary and if we're not willing to put some
• 30:43
  troops on the ground then it's not super realistic i mean i'm not saying you need to go ground force
• 30:48
  invasion like iraq absolutely not but if you did unconventional warfare like we were doing in
• 30:53
  vietnam before we sent everybody and then ended up losing that conflict before you know before
• 30:57
  JFK was assassinated.
• 30:59
  We were,
• 30:59
  we were,
• 31:00
  I'm not going to say we were 100% winning,
• 31:02
  but we were on the path to the ability to win with just special forces,
• 31:08
  you know,
• 31:09
  training up local forces and then moving that way.
• 31:13
  And it was much more tolerated by the,
• 31:15
  by the Vietnamese populace because it was their people that were actually doing
• 31:18
  the fighting.
• 31:18
  It wasn't U S soldiers coming in to occupy.
• 31:21
  So yeah.
• 31:23
  Yeah.
• 31:25
  Here's all right.
• 31:26
  This is what I'm going to say.
• 31:27
  I think you'll agree with.
• 31:30
  And it's unfortunate.
• 31:31
  I don't think the West has a stomach to do what they need to do.
• 31:33
  I really don't.
• 31:35
  It's not in our culture to do what it really needs to do.
• 31:37
  Be done.
• 31:40
  Personally, I think that the regime needs to be hunted to the ends of earth,
• 31:44
  just like we did the Nazis.
• 31:45
  We're able to get rid of the Nazis.
• 31:46
  We can get rid of the regime.
• 31:47
  But we're not going to do that because in today's times,
• 31:49
  everyone's too sensitive and it's all about politics.
• 31:51
  And we're never going to do that.
• 31:53
  But the world tolerates this evil.
• 31:54
  And that's what gets me.
• 31:55
  They can complain about their gas and their product from the Gulf, but they had plenty of time throughout the years to make other arrangements with other nations.
• 32:04
  And they had plenty of time to build other routes and other ways to get their supply that would have completely bypassed the Strait of Hormuz.
• 32:11
  And the nation that talked the loudest about it in the beginning was the UK, Oman's oldest European ally, who has done nothing to back Oman while Iran encroached on territorial waters for 47 years.
• 32:23
  but yet they were going to chirp up once Trump says we're not going for this.
• 32:28
  Yep.
• 32:28
  There's a lot of people that blame.
• 32:30
  And again,
• 32:31
  I,
• 32:32
  that may sound harsh,
• 32:33
  you know,
• 32:33
  coming from me,
• 32:34
  but that's just the way I see it.
• 32:36
  I just don't see them being a benefit and kind of to answer,
• 32:40
  but I think,
• 32:41
  you know,
• 32:41
  more than I,
• 32:42
  but this is the way I see how you're going to change the regime.
• 32:44
  It's,
• 32:45
  it's look,
• 32:45
  it's,
• 32:45
  it's the old Russian playbook.
• 32:47
  Okay.
• 32:48
  Old spy craft playbook.
• 32:49
  How do you,
• 32:50
  how do you topple a nation?
• 32:52
  Long,
• 32:52
  slow drip.
• 32:53
  It's constant messaging.
• 32:54
  It's erosion from within.
• 32:56
  And this is going to segue to what we're going to go into next.
• 32:59
  But if we were able to infiltrate in any way and slowly get people to start spreading the propaganda consistently, it's not overnight.
• 33:07
  It might take 10, 20 years, but that's the only way they're going to be able to do it without any kinetic force whatsoever.
• 33:13
  That's the only way to do it.
• 33:14
  Question is, as you said, how do we penetrate the control they have, right?
• 33:18
  So there's the challenge.
• 33:20
  You know, they have communication unlocked.
• 33:21
  They got everybody in every corner paid by the IRGC just to keep eyes and report.
• 33:26
  So it's going to be hard, but that's just my opinion, by the way.
• 33:30
  And so here's a segue, right?
• 33:33
  The long, slow drip of toppling a nation.
• 33:35
  So we're starting to see the rise of radical Islam in America.
• 33:39
  We're starting to see the rise of the acceptance of socialism.
• 33:42
  The DSA was not even a democratic socialist organization whatsoever.
• 33:47
  They started adopting Marxist individuals back in 2023.
• 33:50
  and even the founder was appalled and wasn't really liking the direction that DSA was going.
• 33:57
  So from your perspective, what are your thoughts on what's happening these days?
• 34:01
  We're seeing DSA candidates being elected in midterms going to be on the ballot for election
• 34:07
  November for congressional seats, which is very dangerous. And you also have Democrats
• 34:12
  with open arms welcoming these DSA,
• 34:17
  anti-American candidates, in my view.
• 34:20
  And it's very dangerous because when I talk about Islam,
• 34:22
  we see what's going on in Texas
• 34:24
  where they're trying to create their own communities
• 34:26
  with their own laws, their own police force,
• 34:27
  their own schools.
• 34:29
  And if we're talking about the DSA, once again,
• 34:31
  they're adopting what they call themselves Islamic socialists.
• 34:37
  I'm not sure how the DSA thinks that they can adopt Islam
• 34:40
  and also support LGBTQ agendas
• 34:44
  and socialism and Marxism
• 34:47
  and claim that it's a better thing for the country.
• 34:50
  And the Democrats had an oh shit moment
• 34:52
  and said, well, I'm actually a capitalist.
• 34:54
  I'm not sure this is going to work out.
• 34:57
  So all that being said,
• 34:58
  what are your thoughts on the situation
• 35:00
  and how do we get out of this?
• 35:03
  I know, right?
• 35:06
  How do we get out of it?
• 35:07
  I mean, there's an easy way
• 35:10
  that is going to be less popular
• 35:13
  because
• 35:13
  given helicopter rides
• 35:16
  to communists is no longer
• 35:18
  a thing that's celebrated,
• 35:20
  even though it should be.
• 35:23
  But
• 35:23
  that would be the easy button
• 35:26
  would be to do what everyone knows
• 35:28
  needs to be done
• 35:29
  and to abolish it,
• 35:31
  to make it illegal,
• 35:33
  and then interdict anybody
• 35:34
  who's pushing for it.
• 35:36
  And that's what should have happened.
• 35:38
  It should have,
• 35:39
  something that is anti,
• 35:40
  like that is against everything that the constitution stands for should not be
• 35:47
  allowed to manifest,
• 35:48
  especially into a political party in the United States.
• 35:50
  That's what's insane to me.
• 35:51
  I agree.
• 35:52
  The bill of rights,
• 35:53
  our constitution is built on individual liberties,
• 35:56
  individual rights,
• 35:58
  and not,
• 35:59
  and,
• 35:59
  and diminishing the power of the state and those ideologies directly conflict
• 36:04
  with that.
• 36:05
  So if it's something that directly conflicts with our constitution, it should not be allowed and it should be outlawed. And a lot of people like the First Amendment, like guys, the First Amendment is just, it only exists so that you can criticize the government. That's it. Like that's where people are like, you're infringing on my first minute rights. Like, well, I can't infringe on anything because I'm a private citizen. Like I'm not the government. Right. You know, like I can't. Right. Like this is this. This is you not understanding what the Bill of Rights was actually for.
• 36:34
  The Bill of Rights was to limit the government, not to limit other people from other people.
• 36:40
  So if it's something like that, that would be what should be done.
• 36:46
  But again, like you said a minute ago, we don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done.
• 36:52
  And part of that is because we are a society of thinkers, of people who actually do care.
• 37:01
  You don't want to just lock up a bunch of people, even though that's what needs to be done because a lot of them would destroy everything that our country stands for.
• 37:12
  But that's a hard pill to get people to swallow.
• 37:16
  It's like, hey, while you're going to Starbucks, we're going to go over here and we're going to lock up all these people.
• 37:22
  It just becomes one of those things that until just like World War II, right?
• 37:25
  what happened with the Japanese.
• 37:28
  I'm not saying I agree
• 37:30
  or really disagree with it, but I understand
• 37:32
  it because
• 37:33
  the Japanese culture at the time
• 37:35
  was...
• 37:37
  Not to say savages in the sense
• 37:40
  that they were like
• 37:40
  savages just
• 37:43
  attacking all the time. They fought savagely.
• 37:46
  They would not
• 37:48
  give up. Death did not scare them.
• 37:50
  They would volunteer for
• 37:52
  wave missions all of the time
• 37:54
  and fighting them was going to be, you know, a bare knuckle fight to the death.
• 37:59
  And that's a hard pill to swallow as well.
• 38:02
  So what do you do in that situation?
• 38:04
  You know, how do you, how do you defeat this enemy?
• 38:06
  If there, there's tons of them living in your, in your country now, um, you know, cause
• 38:11
  there wasn't a huge American population in Japan.
• 38:14
  They didn't have to worry about that.
• 38:15
  You know, there was obviously some people there, but there was a much bigger Japanese
• 38:19
  population in the United States than vice versa.
• 38:21
  So you have a, that's probably it. And we're seeing that again, you know, there's not a huge population of Americans in Qatar. There's not a huge population of Americans in Iran or any of these other countries. And if we were to go to war with them, they have, they have massive populations inside of our country all throughout it. And those would all become networks.
• 38:41
  and when you now that you when you're talking about any kind of actual warfare you have to
• 38:47
  look at the the you know insurgency aspect or the unconventional warfare aspect of it
• 38:51
  from a counterinsurgency perspective or you're not going to be able to stop it you know they're
• 38:55
  gonna they going to do things in america that would affect the war effort abroad That makes sense You know they sabotage you know they find the main factory that making most of the munitions or the tanks or
• 39:08
  whatever, and then they do something to disable it, whatever.
• 39:11
  So all these things could happen if you let these networks foster, you know,
• 39:15
  build during a time of crisis when you're at war and you have,
• 39:19
  when you have your thoughts, you know,
• 39:21
  kind of placed somewhere else or you have your attention elsewhere.
• 39:25
  So, the other, you know, to answer the other side of it, you know, that was a really long answer for that part.
• 39:34
  So good, man.
• 39:35
  Hey, look, you're spot on because I think what we're seeing is an example of sleeper cells building up within our own borders.
• 39:44
  And I'm not going to cut you off.
• 39:45
  I didn't mean to, but I want to interject here and say, you know, I think a lot of what you just said tracks.
• 39:51
  because if you look at Customs and Border Patrol data,
• 39:55
  I did a show earlier about this.
• 39:57
  And at that time, they already turned away,
• 40:01
  apprehended known terrorists, enough of them, by the way,
• 40:05
  to literally put 80 terrorists in every state of the country.
• 40:08
  Okay, at that time.
• 40:10
  And that doesn't even account for the gotaways,
• 40:12
  the people that might have got in,
• 40:13
  the people that they didn't know were terrorists.
• 40:15
  And that's a very dangerous thing to think about.
• 40:17
  Because how many terrorists does it take to actually reign terror?
• 40:20
  We have 80 in every state.
• 40:22
  Think about that, right?
• 40:23
  And then they're converting people and bringing them over to their side.
• 40:26
  And so I think it's very dangerous.
• 40:27
  And I think you're spot on, man.
• 40:29
  I think a lot of people need to wake up.
• 40:30
  And it's like, I don't know if you agree with Gad Saad.
• 40:33
  I disagree with him on some things.
• 40:35
  But I got to say that this concept of suicidal empathy really seems to ring true.
• 40:41
  What we're seeing is a collapse from within based on equity, inclusion, and empathy.
• 40:47
  and there's nothing wrong with equity and inclusion if it's done right.
• 40:51
  But if it's done for the reasons that allow your enemy to literally topple
• 40:56
  your civilization and you're too blind to see it,
• 40:58
  then we have a real problem.
• 41:00
  We have a real problem.
• 41:02
  Sorry for that.
• 41:03
  No,
• 41:04
  I mean,
• 41:05
  it's again,
• 41:06
  it's this,
• 41:07
  we're talking about a very complex problem.
• 41:09
  You have ideologies that like you said earlier,
• 41:13
  they don't necessarily agree on everything,
• 41:15
  but they agree on enough right now to join up against the people that are holding them back,
• 41:19
  which is us or right-leaning or even really centrist Democrats that are at least understanding
• 41:29
  that the Democratic Party has been taken over by DSA and worse.
• 41:34
  And they kind of see that, but they're not quite ready to jump over to the other side.
• 41:39
  But we have that, and that's what's holding America back from the craziness, right?
• 41:45
  Because what's also one of the things for me was that the American right for at least the last, really until 23, it got way worse after 23.
• 41:57
  But for a while, there wasn't a lot of people on the right that were like what I would be considering even Nazis, you know, or like people that are following this kind of thought process, this view of the world.
• 42:09
  And I was like, okay, well, we're really normal people on the right versus the left.
• 42:16
  What's really the bastions of the left now?
• 42:19
  It's all the way there.
• 42:20
  And anybody who disagrees, Bernie Sanders almost got on the presidential ticket multiple times.
• 42:27
  He's a full-blown communist.
• 42:29
  So we're pretty close.
• 42:31
  And at this point, the Democratic Party is now 100% being pushed in that direction by the fringe, which is still a minority.
• 42:43
  But again, Democrats are so – we can't offend Ilhan Omar because she wears a thing that I don't understand.
• 42:50
  And I don't want to make her mad, blah, blah, blah.
• 42:52
  So they're not going to actually push back.
• 42:55
  And Democrats also, they just toe the line, man.
• 42:57
  That's the thing is like when you're an activist, you can be an activist in anything, right?
• 43:03
  And even if you're just like a little bit of an activist, whatever, to be a Democrat, you have to be an activist, at least a little bit.
• 43:10
  And so when you're, again, when you're a little bit of an activist, just like if you're a little bit of liar, when they ask you like, hey, we're going to have you lie just a little bit more.
• 43:16
  We're going to have you do just a little bit more over here.
• 43:18
  You have to vote on this, even though maybe you disagree with it because that's the party line.
• 43:22
  And they do it and they agree with it because that's their part of their ideology.
• 43:26
  whereas on the right that's why you see the fractures on the right and then you know everyone's
• 43:30
  like the GOP can never agree because the GOP still allows a lot of free thought right they're not
• 43:36
  going to sit here and you can't they're never going to get you know strong individual liberty
• 43:41
  type people on the right to just go along with something that isn't necessarily in their worldview
• 43:46
  and so so we have this we we now have you have to look this problem from okay so if if the left
• 43:55
  has already taken over the Democratic Party.
• 44:00
  And we're really the last thing left.
• 44:03
  What's the best way to win that fight from the enemy's perspective is divide the right,
• 44:08
  which is what we see now.
• 44:10
  That's the propaganda push we're seeing now.
• 44:13
  And they're just levering old propaganda and pushing it hard enough and fast enough and
• 44:18
  putting it in everybody's faces so much that that's all they see.
• 44:21
  I mean, who talked about Israel before 23?
• 44:25
  online.
• 44:28
  It was not a thing, man.
• 44:30
  Yeah, we never talked about it.
• 44:32
  No, you had your weird...
• 44:34
  You always had that weird fringe
• 44:35
  person or whatever that was a little bit
• 44:38
  anti-Semitic.
• 44:41
  Yeah, the Nazi.
• 44:42
  Yeah, the Nazi. You're weird.
• 44:44
  You're Jackson Hinkle. Go do your thing.
• 44:46
  But you have this now.
• 44:48
  It's spread
• 44:49
  to concerning levels
• 44:52
  all over the
• 44:54
  right. Yeah. I think Nick Quintez is the one that really pushed it and brought it to the surface.
• 45:00
  And it's interesting what you're saying because it's true. Their whole game plan is trying to
• 45:08
  splinter or split the right. We got MAGA versus conservatives now, apparently.
• 45:14
  But if you look at what's going on, as you were talking about with fringe, far right, Nazi,
• 45:19
  whatever, it's the left that is pushing that narrative though. I mean, they just got busted,
• 45:23
  not too long ago with the SPLC funding Nazi propaganda and known Nazi organizations.
• 45:30
  They're doing it.
• 45:32
  And people are just glossing over it, unfortunately.
• 45:35
  And what's sad is we have some young men right now who are easily manipulated and molded
• 45:43
  who basically hang on every word of a Nick Fuentes, for example.
• 45:48
  a guy that probably weighs 115 pounds wet never done anything himself in his entire life
• 45:54
  and they look at him as a hero like for what because he could yap online on a live stream like
• 46:00
  the guy doesn't offer anything and changes his views by whichever direction the wind is blowing
• 46:06
  that will get him more likes clicks and money and so people just they just gloss over it and think
• 46:12
  it's no big deal and you know what you said is leads us perfect and perfectly into what we're
• 46:17
  going to talk about next, which is all the noise, the narratives, the social media, the big accounts.
• 46:22
  For someone who's been in the military and who's dealt with sensitive operations and whatnot,
• 46:28
  I'm sure you have. I got to ask, how is it that the average person can filter through the noise
• 46:34
  and really get an understanding of reality versus nonsense with social media right now?
• 46:41
  Because too many people think it's the real world, like you said earlier, especially with X.
• 46:45
  people are like I had to turn my notifications off today because I had so many I got into this
• 46:51
  group there I don't know how people have the time to post all fucking day like I have other things
• 46:56
  to do it's draining my battery I had to freaking turn it off there's so many notifications so it's
• 47:00
  like how do people escape this world man yeah it's so that again this is what I tell people all the
• 47:07
  time you know we can't we can't allow well one we don't want but we also can't allow the government
• 47:13
  to solve every problem.
• 47:15
  That's not why the government exists.
• 47:17
  The government exists
• 47:18
  so that we have a structure of civics
• 47:21
  and so that we have protection
• 47:22
  from outside forces.
• 47:24
  That's really the,
• 47:25
  that's like the,
• 47:26
  what the founding fathers
• 47:27
  wanted the government to be was like,
• 47:29
  hey, we don't want this involved
• 47:30
  in your everyday life.
• 47:31
  The government should never
• 47:31
  affect you negatively.
• 47:33
  The government should only be there
• 47:35
  for the crucial things
• 47:36
  and then for your defense.
• 47:38
  And that's what it should be.
• 47:40
  So obviously,
• 47:40
  once you go down
• 47:42
  into the municipal governments
• 47:43
  and all that, those are going to be a lot more into your daily lives because that's where you
• 47:47
  live. And that's the whole structure. Today, 50 years ago, the information environment was nowhere
• 47:57
  near it is today, obviously. Before the internet, the information environment was on TV or on the
• 48:02
  radio. And that was it. And it was gatekept. And you can disagree with mainstream media,
• 48:09
  but you know 15 20 years ago it was a lot easier to kind of understand the environment because you
• 48:16
  just like okay if cnn said this i'm gonna look into this and i'm gonna go listen to what some of
• 48:21
  these other ones said about it and then we're somewhere in the middle of all that is probably
• 48:25
  where the truth lies right we may never know exactly but you you could you go look at cnn
• 48:30
  msnbc and then you could go look at fox and oh you know oh yeah what are there one of the other
• 48:35
  Newsmax or something that's a little more right.
• 48:37
  It was a lot easier because he had a handful of networks versus what was he now.
• 48:42
  And they're gatekeepers.
• 48:43
  Again, they go through an editing process.
• 48:46
  Someone has to sign off on that story getting published because they don't want to get sued.
• 48:51
  Now you don't have that.
• 48:52
  Now we have anybody with a microphone and a camera can get on and literally say whatever they want.
• 49:00
  And so as information consumers, it is going to be incumbent on Americans to understand this environment and then be able to navigate it.
• 49:09
  And it's hard. It's a hard environment to navigate.
• 49:12
  And I've had to retract posts before because I saw something and I just posted.
• 49:17
  I was like, look, this is happening.
• 49:18
  And it's like, oh, that was actually a video from we ran it through thing.
• 49:22
  And it's a video from like six months ago.
• 49:23
  It's not actually current.
• 49:24
  You're like, crap.
• 49:25
  So you have to understand when you see something, one, you see a headline.
• 49:29
  and if it seems wazoo or if they're like they're like israel and the u.s are merging their
• 49:34
  militaries you're like that doesn't that doesn't seem like a thing that would ever happen yeah like
• 49:38
  not only between us but just between any country anywhere like that's just not a thing yeah no no
• 49:44
  it makes zero sense like merging or what does that even mean like how do you how do you merge
• 49:48
  two countries militaries especially when there are thousands of like whatever so you just when
• 49:53
  you see something like that though as an information consumer you have to be like okay
• 49:56
  let's actually look into what they're talking about here and then go to the primary source of
• 50:02
  that and then figure out what it actually says and that's what people don't do and that's why
• 50:07
  so many people are just getting fooled every day and they'll argue with you and they'll they'll curse
• 50:13
  you out and they'll call you names and they'll all the worst things simply because they didn't
• 50:18
  look into something but they just don't want to they just don't want to be proven wrong right so
• 50:21
  then you don't want to be embarrassed because you were duped so they'll double down on it and so you
• 50:26
  You have this, again, it's what I tell people.
• 50:28
  It's like, you can't, the government can't do anything.
• 50:31
  And nor do you want them to.
• 50:32
  Because if the government's like, hey, this speech is bad.
• 50:36
  When the next people take over in four years or in however many years, what if they think what I'm saying is bad?
• 50:43
  Now you have set this precedent where the government gets to tell you what you can and can't say.
• 50:48
  And now we're directly combating our actual, what the first movement actually stands for.
• 50:53
  So, again, can't have them do that.
• 50:56
  People have to just be able to take the information, be able to research it accurately on their own, and go from there.
• 51:03
  And some stuff you're not going to know, man.
• 51:05
  That's the other thing, Pete.
• 51:06
  Like Judy in your home in suburban Georgia, I'm sorry, but you probably don't need to know what's happening in between North Korea and South Korea from a regional standpoint.
• 51:18
  You just – you don't – why would that affect your life in any way?
• 51:21
  You're not going to know.
• 51:22
  No matter how much you research, you're never going to know the full picture of that.
• 51:25
  and a lot of people just can't stand that like that's why you see all this stuff with like the
• 51:29
  charlie kirk stuff today is they don't have all the answers yet because there's a trial and you're
• 51:35
  not going to have the answers until after the trial because they're using that to convict this
• 51:39
  person and if they put it out now then i could that could affect the jury and all that information
• 51:44
  could lead to a mistrial so like it's just people not understanding the way the process works and
• 51:48
  then they're like oh we don't know all these answers right now it's money to cover up and
• 51:53
  You're like, bro, this is just how the world works.
• 51:56
  It's a process.
• 51:58
  Yeah.
• 51:59
  No, I agree with you.
• 52:00
  It's crazy.
• 52:00
  I think, and you're right though.
• 52:03
  It's hard though, right?
• 52:04
  It's hard to separate reality from, you know, what you're being told online.
• 52:09
  And I think the issue is exactly what you said.
• 52:11
  You know, and I've always said this.
• 52:12
  I think too many people live on the surface of headlines.
• 52:14
  They don't go any deeper.
• 52:16
  They'll see something on their Yahoo News in the morning or whatever they're doing or
• 52:20
  they're listening to NPR or whatever.
• 52:21
  I'm just saying like, they'll hear something.
• 52:23
  Oh, wow.
• 52:23
  Is that what Trump's doing?
• 52:24
  And then they'll argue, like you said, they'll argue about it.
• 52:26
  They'll talk about it around their water cooler at work.
• 52:28
  and all of a sudden it just becomes like this reality for them
• 52:30
  that literally is nothing close to what's actually going on.
• 52:35
  Right.
• 52:35
  And so you talked about, brought up Charlie Kirk earlier,
• 52:39
  kind of leads us down to our final subject in the conversation,
• 52:44
  which is basically the grifters and the big accounts online
• 52:47
  and how they've been able to bring about this cult following.
• 52:53
  I mean, the biggest one, in my opinion, Candace Owens,
• 52:55
  and I only brought her up because you didn't mention Charlie Kirk.
• 52:58
  and what she's doing to Erica Kirk.
• 52:59
  And then you got the others like the Medhi Hassan,
• 53:01
  the Hassan Hiker.
• 53:02
  You got Shank Ugar or Weaker,
• 53:04
  however you pronounce his name.
• 53:05
  Then you got Dave Smith,
• 53:06
  who thinks he knows everything,
• 53:07
  but he's a comedian,
• 53:09
  which doesn't make sense.
• 53:10
  That guy.
• 53:10
  But anyway, you get what I'm saying.
• 53:13
  Right.
• 53:13
  What do you have to say about these guys?
• 53:15
  I mean, to me, it seems like
• 53:17
  it's kind of just blown up.
• 53:18
  I think a lot of what they get
• 53:21
  in terms of their popularity,
• 53:22
  I believe is fake.
• 53:24
  I don't really believe they have
• 53:25
  that many engaged followers.
• 53:27
  I think a lot of people just find what they say to be provocative, right?
• 53:31
  They're just hanging on to the account just to see what's new.
• 53:36
  It's entertainment, right?
• 53:38
  I don't know if that many people actually agree with them per se.
• 53:41
  What are your thoughts on accounts like that?
• 53:43
  People on social media with that large reach in quotations, right?
• 53:48
  What do you think of these people?
• 53:51
  Dangerous.
• 53:52
  It's very dangerous.
• 53:52
  Again, you have Candace Owens who is just saying all the different things that can all be proven wrong in so many different ways.
• 54:04
  And again, says these wazoo things and says she has receipts for them, but then you never actually see the receipt.
• 54:11
  Or it's just her reading it off of her phone and she's like, I have this text message right here.
• 54:16
  And then she'll share certain little things to boost the credibility.
• 54:21
  But again, that's another thing about propaganda is it's always built off of a fraction of the truth, right?
• 54:26
  Or at least a twisting of the truth or something truthful is in there because otherwise, most people are like, that's fantasy, right?
• 54:35
  Like, yeah, there are flat earthers, but there are very few of them.
• 54:39
  And most of them, they probably actually know.
• 54:42
  They're just like, I'm just going to be a flat earther because I want to be against the fray.
• 54:46
  The resistance.
• 54:48
  Right, there's a resistance.
• 54:49
  It's like, yeah, whatever.
• 54:50
  but then you go get an airplane and automatically you know that you're an idiot um so dangerous um
• 54:59
  but yes also artificially boosted heavily i mean and then how many americans are actually
• 55:05
  watching candace owens every day i mean a significant amount from a like
• 55:11
  people you know if you're looking at just audiences of people that watch podcasts
• 55:16
  or watch whatever. If you just took that,
• 55:18
  all these however many
• 55:20
  millions of Americans watch podcasts every
• 55:22
  day or every week.
• 55:25
  She has a significant
• 55:26
  amount of
• 55:27
  people doing that. But of
• 55:30
  the people in existence,
• 55:32
  they're not all watching her.
• 55:34
  You're right. A lot of the
• 55:35
  one, you have whatever
• 55:38
  these bot networks, and that's been...
• 55:40
  Data Republican did a big thing about that.
• 55:42
  They're boosting Nick Fuentes. They're also
• 55:44
  of boosting canis islands and they can prove it.
• 55:46
  And they've done a good job networking and going through that
• 55:49
  and breaking it all down.
• 55:51
  But also, I mean, if you hate Israel, right?
• 55:55
  Who's the main enemy of the big Islamists in the world,
• 56:02
  right?
• 56:02
  The big actual people radical fanatical people in Islam who do they hate the most They hate Israel the most right So when they have their massive followings now pushing all of the messaging that you doing because it agrees with them right
• 56:18
  And you have Russia Today, RT, which a lot of people don't realize is literally Russian state, not only funded, it is a part of their government.
• 56:27
  it would be like the United States having a department in under the Pentagon
• 56:31
  that is responsible for America today.
• 56:36
  And then that America today shows and everything they push is all ran from the
• 56:40
  Pentagon.
• 56:41
  That's how it is.
• 56:42
  That's what Russia today is.
• 56:43
  That's what Sputnik radio is.
• 56:44
  Right.
• 56:45
  So people don't realize that.
• 56:46
  And then they believe,
• 56:47
  you know,
• 56:47
  Russia today pushes this.
• 56:48
  And once you get a lot of people repost their stuff and it's like,
• 56:52
  yeah,
• 56:52
  I'm like,
• 56:53
  that's Russian propaganda.
• 56:54
  Dude.
• 56:54
  Like,
• 56:54
  like to a T what you're doing is you're,
• 56:57
  sharing. And again, I'll begin to work because they take a reaction of the truth and then they
• 57:01
  twist it and then they accelerate on whatever aspects that they need to push it. So is there
• 57:08
  some scrutiny on, do most of the time that someone gets shot with a 30-06, is there an
• 57:14
  excellent one? Yes. Oh, but there is the fringe time where it's not, but we're just going to push
• 57:20
  on this button, on the button that means that that 30-06 is going right through that body every
• 57:24
  single time no matter what you know which is not reality but it's a fraction of the truth because
• 57:29
  the majority of the time it is going to create an exit one so that's what they do and and and
• 57:33
  that's what candace owens does and she'll come on she'll she'll offer the world to these people i
• 57:39
  mean she's a soap opera like that she's the modern day soap opera man that's what it is you know for
• 57:44
  all these women that used to watch soap operas yeah they're not watching soap operas anymore
• 57:48
  Or they're watching these other crazy women do and say crazy things while they're drinking their wine and having their Xanax before they go do their spin class that day.
• 57:58
  Those are the people that are watching Candace Owens.
• 58:01
  And then you have so many of these other influencers that I think...
• 58:05
  I think some of the big ones are probably compromised in some way, whether that's financially, whether that's whatever it may be.
• 58:13
  They're an asset in some ways, especially these people that have millions and millions of followers.
• 58:17
  but there's also the possibility that they were just audience captured
• 58:20
  that they've turned their podcast or their whatever into a business
• 58:26
  and they get instant analytics now.
• 58:30
  Everybody does.
• 58:31
  You'll be able to look at your analytics.
• 58:32
  When I do a show, I can look at my analytics right afterwards
• 58:34
  or even while I'm doing it.
• 58:37
  And then you get that feedback and you're like,
• 58:40
  Oh, when I talk about this, my viewership, my substrations,
• 58:43
  my blah, blah, blah, it all goes up.
• 58:45
  And that's what I'm going to talk about more.
• 58:46
  So you have a lot of those, the podcasters or the influencers that have bigger accounts and then they got famous under MAGA or they got their big break under MAGA.
• 58:58
  And then now they see the next fad that they can jump on and they can make more money off of because that was all it was always about from the get-go.
• 59:05
  And then that's what you have now.
• 59:07
  So you have this environment of people pushing all kinds of different things from all different angles with the main goal to divide and create chaos because it's easier to attack somebody when their civilization is in chaos rather than when it's coming and unified.
• 59:24
  Yeah, well, what you just explained is literally what grifting is.
• 59:27
  and when you're talking about some of them being audience captured,
• 59:32
  I think a lot of these people who did not come from having big backing
• 59:39
  literally bought their way in through buying fake engagement and bots, literally.
• 59:45
  And I think, well, I don't just think I know.
• 59:46
  I think more than half of what you see in terms of their metrics is bullshit.
• 59:51
  Now, some of the other bigger personalities like Tucker, for example,
• 59:55
  Megyn Kelly, they came from legacy media.
• 59:57
  They came from a background where they had a company behind them the whole time.
• 1:00:02
  And I think the problem we see in what was new media or independent media is it's no
• 1:00:06
  longer what it used to be.
• 1:00:08
  It's been taken over by the big corporations.
• 1:00:10
  So let say a guy like you who has a good show and I think you do a great job and you pretty honest online I think you call a lot of it down the center but you not going to get the reach that
• 1:00:23
  a Tucker does because you don't have $100,000 a month to dump into advertising.
• 1:00:28
  And through that constant advertising that these guys do, they just crowd guys like you
• 1:00:32
  and me out.
• 1:00:33
  And I'm just using this as an example, by the way.
• 1:00:36
  And that's why I think a lot of the honest podcasters or independents are no longer getting heard like they used to.
• 1:00:45
  It's like the first thing you see on an app is what?
• 1:00:47
  Tucker, Megyn Kelly, Joe Rogan.
• 1:00:49
  Why?
• 1:00:50
  Because they're constantly being pushed because there's money involved.
• 1:00:53
  And then no matter what, you're going to be fighting that uphill battle.
• 1:00:57
  Doesn't mean there isn't room for me or you.
• 1:00:59
  And I think that whatever you're doing, you need to keep doing because it's good work.
• 1:01:04
  I mean, like I said, you're no bullshit.
• 1:01:05
  I like that.
• 1:01:05
  And so I don't think it's all fake, but I do know that it's now turned into, instead of independent media, it's become big media again.
• 1:01:15
  It's turning back into legacy media.
• 1:01:17
  It's getting sucked in under that umbrella.
• 1:01:20
  And that's very unfortunate.
• 1:01:21
  And there's a few people that do shine and tell the truth, and that's great.
• 1:01:25
  But, you know, it's sad because like you said, they look at the metrics like, well, if I say Israel's evil or the devil, I get likes and clicks because whatever.
• 1:01:35
  Nick Quintus says it.
• 1:01:35
  So I'm going to ride that.
• 1:01:37
  And then, like you said, you know, or they got popular in a MAGA.
• 1:01:40
  Now they're going to go a different direction because, you know, winds have changed, right?
• 1:01:44
  But they're not, they have no spine.
• 1:01:46
  You know, they're not standing on the laurels.
• 1:01:48
  They have, there's nothing about them that shows me integrity.
• 1:01:52
  And I think down the road, that'll bite them in the ass.
• 1:01:54
  And I hope people like you continue to do what you do and you stand out and you just continue to kick these people in the balls, man.
• 1:01:59
  That's just my opinion.
• 1:02:00
  So, I mean, kudos to you, man.
• 1:02:01
  I like what you do, like I said.
• 1:02:03
  And I just want you to keep going.
• 1:02:06
  But with that being said, man, I mean, what would you say to the person that's getting sucked into all this?
• 1:02:11
  Like who's getting behind these accounts, taking them word for word?
• 1:02:16
  Well, I mean, you should never do that with anybody, right?
• 1:02:18
  Like you should never take what I say, you know, word for word and like, oh, that's gospel right there.
• 1:02:23
  because we're,
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  you know,
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  again,
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  you have to look at everything with nuance.
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  And if you're not looking at everything with nuance,
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  then you're going to get,
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  get either a transfect on one detail and that's going to drive your
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  thought,
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  make thought,
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  making your decision-making process,
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  or you're going to then get pigeonholed into something,
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  you know,
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  like,
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  so it's just,
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  yeah,
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  you have to look at a situation and be like,
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  okay,
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  what's this person saying?
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  And like with Tucker and people are getting better at it and people are
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  going to get better about,
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  Candace Owens as they realize like once this trial and then all the stuff comes out of the trial
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  you'll have the people that'll push the realistic view of it and those people will get trusted a
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  little bit more but it's also a constant thing man like you have to continuously put out good
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  pertinent and truthful information and as long as you do that then you know the the smart normal
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  people should should want to follow you and even think again they're not going to agree with you
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  on everything like I don't I don't have any follow like any followers that just agree with
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  me on every single thing that's the same that's that's what a cult does you're gonna disagree on
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  some things yeah like like there's some people you know that i follow and that i have what i would
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  call you know online relationships you know however weird that sounds but like i understand
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  we engage mutuals online or whatever um that i agree with most of the things but like you know
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  like we'll disagree on something about like the flock cameras i like are they concerning yes
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  like I understand the arguments. It's just not something I care that much about right now,
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  because the way I look at it is the people that are going to use the flock cameras, you know,
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  in a very negative way or things like that, they're going to do that once they take power,
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  whether that's there or not, they're going to create it or they're going to implement it.
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  So the real goal is to not allow authoritarian, you know, Islamists or Marxists or whatever you
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  want to call them DSA people to take over because they going to utilize the levers of power in nefarious ways against the populace They going to infringe on rights because that what required of their
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  ideology to continue to bring you towards a collectivist society. So these things like
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  everyone, some people get up in arms about the FISA stuff. Yes, I am an advocate of privacy,
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  of your own personal security, all that kind of things.
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  But if FISA is done correctly,
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  and if FISA is done by an honorable government
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  that has checks and balances,
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  then it actually is a decent program.
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  Now, if it gets hijacked by leftists,
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  then yes, it could be turned into a very bad program
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  for Americans.
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  So could the Flock Cameras.
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  And that's the way I look at it all.
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  So it's kind of one of those things.
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  That's why I'm against giving the government
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  a ton of power,
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  because then they can use it against you later.
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  if they disagree, you know, if someone takes power that disagrees with you,
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  but your job as a citizen in America is not just to sit back and just go to the poll and vote,
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  but like you have to get involved in some way. It doesn't necessarily have to be,
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  you don't have to go out and campaign. You don't have to go out and, you know, spend
• 1:05:33
  significant amounts of time doing all kinds of things, but get involved in something, you know,
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  get involved in some aspect of either your local governance or just something so that you can
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  help ensure that the wrong people don't take over.
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  Because if you do that, then there's not going to be a lot to talk about.
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  Because again, no one would care about FISA if it wasn't weaponized
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  by leftists against Trump. So that wouldn't be a thing
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  that we had to worry about because it's actually a decent program if honorable
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  people are running it. So that's, I don't know.
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  It's delicate, but it's the way it is. I agree.
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  I think you
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  I think you hit it on the head
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  people need to get involved
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  get off their ass
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  get outside of their
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  little routine
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  of their Starbucks
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  and soccer games
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  or whatever the hell they're doing
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  and realize there's a big world
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  out there under threat
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  and
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  I think with that
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  I'm going to end this
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  I have to run
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  my wife booked us for something
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  so
• 1:06:29
  I'm getting to my limit here
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  but hey I appreciate your time
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  because I know it's late for you
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  over there on the east coast
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  let's do this again
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  and
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  tell everybody where they can find you
• 1:06:41
  Yeah, man. So again, I'm on X, GBNT 1952. Obviously, 1952 is not my birthday. That's when Special Forces was created. So that's the date for that. All the platforms, it's the same, except for TikTok. I have the underscore between GBNT and 1952 because someone, I don't know who it was, but I'm gonna find out, stole my other nickname or my username.
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  So, but yeah, I'm on Substack is where I do most of my long form stuff.
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  YouTube, obviously for the show that it's kind of, it's not on a hiatus.
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  It's just summer.
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  We've been vacation.
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  We've had vacation.
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  We've had family in and out.
• 1:07:19
  And so just been a little busier than normal these last few weeks, but get that going again.
• 1:07:24
  And then, but yeah, that's all over all that username is where it's at.
• 1:07:28
  I get it.
• 1:07:28
  Hey, I'm not going to, I'm not going to dive in this because I really do got to go, but I'm just going to, I'm going to mention this.
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  I don't know how you kept your TikTok because I literally just got banned the other day.
• 1:07:36
  I don't know how I still have it because every time I do a video almost, I get flagged.
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  I didn't even get a warning.
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  They just banned me.
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  But anyway, that's whatever.
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  Yeah.
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  It probably won't last long.
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  I don't have hardly any effort with TikTok.
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  Don't blame me.
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  Well, again, thank you for your time, man.
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  Have a great evening.
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  And let's do this again.
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  All right?
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  Yeah, man.
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  Appreciate it.
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  Devils hide behind redemption, honesty is a one-way gate to hell
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  you