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SMNTY Classics: The Mummy (and The Mummy Returns) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I want to put
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  Speaker 1: his stuff. I never told you affliction if I heard you.
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  Speaker 1: And today we are bringing back another fun one. It
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  Speaker 1: is the twenty fifth anniversary of the Mummy, and it
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  Speaker 1: was in theaters briefly.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to go see it, but I think I
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  Speaker 2: missed the window.
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  Speaker 1: But as you know, listeners, I hope we did a
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  Speaker 1: feminist newbe Friday on that and the Mummy returns.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you watched that third one.
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  Speaker 1: I've been seeing so much conversation about it and why
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  Speaker 1: people love it and uh, and I've heard there's talk
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  Speaker 1: of bringing back the Mummy and making a new one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's been confirmed, but I've to
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  Speaker 1: love chatter about it. So we shall have to see.
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  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephano Never
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  Speaker 1: Told You production of iHeartRadio. It is time for another
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  Speaker 1: feminist movie Friday, the first of twenty twenty one. Yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and we're starting it with one of my absolute favorite
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  Speaker 1: movies of all time, the nineteen ninety nine classic The Mummy.
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  Speaker 2: The Mummy and by Samantha's insistence.
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  Speaker 3: The Mummy too, Philia has to be there.
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  Speaker 1: According to you, you're very very passionate about it. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and the Mummy was a listener suggestion, So thank you, Kayla.
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  Speaker 1: I always love when listeners suggests something that I love anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So it's like I get to just.
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  Speaker 2: Rewatch something that I already really enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: And she sent us a link to a blog post
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  Speaker 1: by Lena in a Red Dress that was really helpful.
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  Speaker 1: In all of this made a lot of great points
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  Speaker 1: about the kind of feminist take on this movie. We'll
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  Speaker 1: be getting into that later. Also, I recently ish watched
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  Speaker 1: this with coworker and friend Lauren Vogelbaum, and we kept
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  Speaker 1: saying how much Rachel Advice's character still holds up.
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  Speaker 3: We kept being like, wow, like that, Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like unlike a lot of the movies or TV that
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  Speaker 3: we watched from twenty years ago, twenty years ago, I
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  Speaker 3: know it doesn't hold up and you kind of squirm
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  Speaker 3: and have to accept that it was made back when
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  Speaker 3: even though it shouldn't have been made back when, And
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  Speaker 3: this one doesn't do that as much. So you were
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  Speaker 3: like okay, or cool, woor cool, although the second one
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  Speaker 3: a little less held a little less. We'll say that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I absolutely adore The Mummy. It's one of
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  Speaker 1: six movies that I can quote the whole way through
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  Speaker 1: the Egyptian in all which I have no idea if
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  Speaker 1: that's actually Egyptian, but I can say it similarly.
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  Speaker 2: To how they say it to the movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember I had to campaign really hard to
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  Speaker 1: see this movie in theaters as my dad because he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I think it might scare you, and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I was at the age where it still my parents
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  Speaker 1: would go with me to PG thirteen movies, and I
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  Speaker 1: just I worked so hard convince him, and then I
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  Speaker 1: was trying really really hard to hide how scared I
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  Speaker 1: was because he was right. The Beatles, the scare of
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  Speaker 1: Beatles really scared me. And I think I had a
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  Speaker 1: crush on pretty much half the people in this movie
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  Speaker 1: at one point in time. And I love the ride
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  Speaker 1: at Universal. It is so fun. That is a good ride.
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  Speaker 1: I hope they don't take it down because it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's like about the making of the movie right, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much like the younger generation gets it.
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  Speaker 3: But right right, And it's definitely old Brendan Fraser too.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely way back when Brendan Fraser, right, because when
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  Speaker 3: you see him today looks a little different. Has gone
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  Speaker 3: through a lot of stuff, unfortunately, or dude, and it's
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  Speaker 3: trying to come out of it on the other side.
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  Speaker 3: But it's definitely taking him a minute. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how else to do this, So it was prime Brendan Fraser.
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  Speaker 3: I will say that, although I will say he was
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  Speaker 3: one of my first Prussis not because of this movie,
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  Speaker 3: but because of movies like in Sino Man and School Ties.
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  Speaker 3: Those two movies are the one things that made him
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  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 2: That's so great.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've never seen any of those, but I
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  Speaker 1: know the image like on the cover.
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  Speaker 3: So oh yeah. In Sino Man, my friend and I
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  Speaker 3: in high school we memorized that movie. We know all
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  Speaker 3: of everything to do with that movie. We even got
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  Speaker 3: the soundtrack to that movie. Yeah, we were really into it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, Oh yes, wow. I know I've spoken before
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  Speaker 3: about my my New Year's tradition on this show, where
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  Speaker 3: I very specifically choose the last movie I want to
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  Speaker 3: end a year on in the first movie I want
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  Speaker 3: to start the New year on, and a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years ago. I was in South Africa for work over
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  Speaker 3: New Years and the last movie I saw was.
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  Speaker 1: The New Mummy with Tom Cruise on the plane. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: it was not good. It was bad, bad, bad, bad
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  Speaker 1: movie to go out on. So when I got home,
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  Speaker 1: the first movie I watched the New Year was the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine versions for it.
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  Speaker 3: Never had a desire to see the Tom Cruise version
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  Speaker 3: because I was like, what is this. I trying to
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  Speaker 3: make something that was like, yes, action filled, but also
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  Speaker 3: fun to just action watch Tom Cruise get hurt and
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  Speaker 3: hurt things. Okay, cool?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the ending was pretty weird too,
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  Speaker 1: because they were trying to set up that whole like
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  Speaker 1: the new Universal Monster series. So it's like, clearly meant
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  Speaker 1: to be a series, but you just knew it probably
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  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen, so what fuff?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also when The Mummy too, the Mummy return
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  Speaker 1: and so I keep taking yeah, mommy returns, let me
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  Speaker 1: get it correct. But when that came out that there
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  Speaker 1: was this website for the movie, which I actually after
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  Speaker 1: we watched You've Got Mail, I got really into that
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  Speaker 1: for a minute, remembering those like old remember when movies
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  Speaker 1: would come out, they would have these like websites and
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  Speaker 1: you can play games on them and stuff. Well, The
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  Speaker 1: Mummy Returns had one where you could see what you were.
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  Speaker 1: You would take this test and it would tell you
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  Speaker 1: what you were in a past life. And I got
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  Speaker 1: dumb beetle, and I've never forgotten it. I have never
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  Speaker 1: forgotten it.
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  Speaker 2: I see.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you've come out on top. That's the good news,
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  Speaker 3: I guess. So you're not a dung beetle. Congratulations, proud
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  Speaker 3: of you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Samana, I am not a dug beetle.
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  Speaker 3: You're not a dung beetle. Proud of you. Thanks for
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  Speaker 3: being here. But yes, let's talk about the Mummy and
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  Speaker 3: all the dung beetles. So The Mummy is a nineteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety nine, twenty two years old, we are Old t
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  Speaker 3: nine American adventure movie and remake of the nineteen thirty
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  Speaker 3: two film, and it stars yes, Brendan Fraser and Rachel
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  Speaker 3: Weiss and has written and directed by Steven Summers. Apparently
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  Speaker 3: there were all kinds of issues while they filmed it
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  Speaker 3: in Morocco, like snakes and sandstorms and yeah, no, thank you,
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  Speaker 3: But I think that's also how they play into the ride.
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  Speaker 3: But when the movie came out, it was a financial success,
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  Speaker 3: which is why we have three of them. The critics
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  Speaker 3: were so so on it, but the audio is obviously
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  Speaker 3: like us really love it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's like a cartoon series too, Oh is there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. I think it is
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  Speaker 1: something in twenty seventeen some series came out. So yeah, people.
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  Speaker 2: Really really dug it.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because a lot of reviews I was reading
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  Speaker 1: of it, like recent reviews said, you know.
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  Speaker 2: The CGI isn't great, but it holds up. I think
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  Speaker 2: it holds up pretty.
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  Speaker 3: There's clearly oh this is obviously for the first one, Scorpian.
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  Speaker 1: King is like notoriously one of the worst CGI things ever.
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  Speaker 2: But in this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the plot I could again, I could just
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  Speaker 1: quote the whole movie. I could do the sound effects.
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  Speaker 1: I could do it all. But I know that you
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  Speaker 1: don't want it, so I won't. It opens an ancient
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  Speaker 1: Egypt and we learn that a ox in the moon,
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  Speaker 1: the pharaoh's mistress, is having an affair with its high
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  Speaker 1: priest Emotep, whose spoiler alert is the Mummy. On one
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  Speaker 1: of their forbidden pays. The Pharaoh catches them making out
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  Speaker 1: and they both kill him. The guards are hammering down
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  Speaker 1: the door to get in so a ox and the
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  Speaker 1: Moon convinces Emotep to leave, telling him to use his
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  Speaker 1: abilities to resurrect her. So he does, and before the
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  Speaker 1: guards can arrest her, in Oxyna Moon kills herself. Emotep
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  Speaker 1: and his priest steeal her body and take it to the.
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  Speaker 2: Lost City of the Dead Hominoptra.
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  Speaker 1: Immotep begins the ritual to bring her back, but is
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  Speaker 1: interrupted by the Magi, who are the pharaoh's bodyguards before
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  Speaker 1: he can complete the ritual. So as punishment for this,
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  Speaker 1: Emotep is sentenced to the Hondai, which is a punishment
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  Speaker 1: so horrific that it's never been used before. Basically, he's
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  Speaker 1: mummifiedal his tongue is cut out, he's wrapped tightly in bandages,
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  Speaker 1: put in a sarcophagus, and buried alive with those flesh
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  Speaker 1: eating beetles. A curse has placed on him too, for
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  Speaker 1: good measure, that if he's ever brought back, he would
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  Speaker 1: unleash the seven plagues of Egypt and you know, like
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  Speaker 1: destroy everything. So to top it off, the Megi are
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  Speaker 1: sworn to guard him to make sure no one brings
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  Speaker 1: him back.
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  Speaker 3: So cut to the early nineteen hundreds American Ric O'Connell
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  Speaker 3: played by Brendan Fraser leading some soldiers in the midst
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  Speaker 3: of the battle at the sights of the ruins of Hawenoptra.
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  Speaker 3: He also meets his Weasley acquaintance Benny. We all know, Benny,
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna get yours. And as the battle goes on,
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  Speaker 3: Rick realizes there's something supernatural going on, warning him away
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  Speaker 3: and he makes off into the desert under observation of
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  Speaker 3: the magi.
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  Speaker 1: Then we jump to nineteen twenty six and we meet
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  Speaker 1: Ev played by Rachel Weis, who is the daughter of
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  Speaker 1: famous egyptologist. She's a librarian, but she wants to follow
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  Speaker 1: in her parents' footsteps. However, this movie opens, she has
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  Speaker 1: once again been rejected by the prestigious Bimbridge scholars and
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  Speaker 1: she has one of the best worst intros ever in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion. While she's precariously balanced on a ladder trying
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  Speaker 1: to replace a book on the top shelf, the ladder
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  Speaker 1: falls into the shelves and it's a domino effect, knocking
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  Speaker 1: over all these huge shelves.
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  Speaker 2: The books go askew there's papers everywhere. Oh so good.
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  Speaker 1: Then we meet her screwup brother Jonathan, who shows her
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  Speaker 1: an ancient key he quote found aka stole. Jonathan takes
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  Speaker 1: Ebe to a jail to meet the person who stole
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  Speaker 1: it from, because she recognizes immediately like this might be
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  Speaker 1: something special. And of course he stole it from none
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  Speaker 1: other than Rick O'Connell, who is scheduled to be hanged.
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  Speaker 1: O'Connell promises to take them to Haminoptra if they can
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  Speaker 1: secure his release, and this is after he grabs Evie's
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  Speaker 1: face and kisses her. Of course, she's able to cut
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  Speaker 1: a deal with a warden and O'Connell is freed in
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  Speaker 1: the nick of time, So off they go to Hamnatchra.
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: You know. So they introduce Alex in the second one, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the kid by having the Domino effects with the pillars,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, they leak it a little bit, so
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  Speaker 3: our intrepid crew SEUs off for Hemonopdra and Evie is taken,
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  Speaker 3: of course with O'Connell's new cleaned up look, as would
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  Speaker 3: I be. On their way, they encounter a group of
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  Speaker 3: cocky Americans. Those those nasty Americans also also making their
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  Speaker 3: way to Homonoptra with a cut with the help of
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  Speaker 3: O'Connell's old frenemy Biddy. As EV's ruminating about the kiss
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  Speaker 3: between her and O'Connell, the boat they're on actually gets
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  Speaker 3: attacked by members of the Magi, which they don't want.
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  Speaker 3: They're not aware of who they are, and they make
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  Speaker 3: a narrow escape, switching over to Cammel's and it's the
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  Speaker 3: O'Connell's turn to be impressed with Evie's new clothes and
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  Speaker 3: looks right.
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  Speaker 1: So as the sun rises, I'm not sure is revealed
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  Speaker 1: like no longer these ruins, but fully restored, and these
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  Speaker 1: groups race to the Americans, and our heroes race to
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  Speaker 1: howm Nature to see who can get their first, and
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  Speaker 1: Evie wins.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: After a few run ins with the Americans, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like O'Connell stole some tools to get to ev they
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  Speaker 1: fought over dig site, Evie realizes that they can go
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  Speaker 1: underneath the Americans and dig up through there to beat
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  Speaker 1: them to this book that they both want this bury
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  Speaker 1: there are this treasure that they both want this buried there.
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  Speaker 1: So while doing so, they find a sarcophagus of a
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  Speaker 1: still quote juicy mummy. The Americans on the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: find the Book of the Dead after setting off a
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  Speaker 1: booby trap protecting it, and they also find some ancient
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  Speaker 1: jars holding organs, which they divide amongst themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Big mistake.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where one of my most quoted lines
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  Speaker 1: of all time. Check over a movie, kush wantz ask me, like,
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  Speaker 1: what's a movie thing? You say a lot that you
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  Speaker 1: think no one gets? It's this beware of the US beware.
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  Speaker 3: And every time she says that, she says in that
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  Speaker 3: manner exactly too. Yeah, and that would exactly and you
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  Speaker 3: can't see her, but she's definitely doing the fist of
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  Speaker 3: the air. Yes, she does that every time as well.
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  Speaker 3: Just go ahead and that. So yeah, the Magi attacked
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  Speaker 3: their camp their back to warn them away, giving them
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  Speaker 3: a day to leave. The warden dies, by the way
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  Speaker 3: by a scara beetle because it goes inside of his skin,
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  Speaker 3: drives him mad and he runs into a wall with
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  Speaker 3: his head first. So you know, Evie gets really drunk
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  Speaker 3: and flirts with Rick while who of course flirts back.
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  Speaker 3: And also a great line quote You're wondering, what is
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  Speaker 3: a place like me doing a girl like this? Of course,
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  Speaker 3: but then she passes out right as she's about to
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  Speaker 3: kiss him, and he does the okay, And the following night,
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  Speaker 3: Eve steals the book because she can't help it, which
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  Speaker 3: is the Book of the Dead from the Americans. And
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  Speaker 3: he's a professor, right, He's not an American though, who is?
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  Speaker 3: He's English, He's an Egyptologist.
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  Speaker 2: He's English. So there's like one non American in.
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  Speaker 3: The He knows what he's going for and is for
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  Speaker 3: the same like intellectual properties as where they're all looking
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  Speaker 3: for treasure. And she has the key, uses it to
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  Speaker 3: open it, and she dumbly reads it out loud, accidentally
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  Speaker 3: bring him back em tip yes, good job. Chaos ensues,
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  Speaker 3: Locus descends on them, scare beetles, swarm people, and strip
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  Speaker 3: them of their flesh. Eve falls down a trick passage
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  Speaker 3: where she sees the shambling mummy, who calls her a
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  Speaker 3: knucks on the moon and Rick finds her shoes in
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  Speaker 3: the face, but as they flee, they don't see him
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  Speaker 3: rise back up. And by the way, right before the
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  Speaker 3: mummy takes the eyes of one of the Americans for
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  Speaker 3: his itself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just note in case you haven't seen this,
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  Speaker 1: at this point he's like a mummy like there's skin
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  Speaker 1: hanging off with him. You know, he's like a corpse
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  Speaker 1: walking around. And yeah, this part with the America where
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  Speaker 1: he takes the eyes. Friends of mine that have glasses
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  Speaker 1: or have trouble seeing, they always tell me the scene
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  Speaker 1: is terrifying because he breaks his glasses down in the
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  Speaker 1: dark tombs and he can't see, and he's like, sees
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  Speaker 1: this shape and thinks that somebody's gonna help him, and
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  Speaker 1: then it's the Mummy and it takes his eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I would say that except last night I
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  Speaker 3: watched it again and I was like, but wait, his
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: glasses are way too thin, especially way back when because
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: I have horrible eyesight, and y'all when I say I
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  Speaker 3: have to get those special duty glasses where it thins
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  Speaker 3: them out, it's literally hundreds of dollars to make it thinner,
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  Speaker 3: because if not, I would have the bottle of capped glasses. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way his hotsite was that bad. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 3: they turned to is a point of view, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way it was that bad. Like he may
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  Speaker 3: have had trouble seeing for sure, but it would have
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  Speaker 3: been that bad. Those glasses were way too thin.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe his night vision there was.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing about night vision on those glasses, then he couldn't
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  Speaker 3: have seen in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, that's what I saw.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, because I'm so aware, like I
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  Speaker 3: just recently bought some more glasses and I had to
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  Speaker 3: pay an extra fee to make it not you know,
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  Speaker 3: bottom of like it's really sad y'all anyway, But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I just I think he's his eyesight was not
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  Speaker 3: as bad as.
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  Speaker 2: I love this.
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  Speaker 1: I love when you see a movie with anybody with
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  Speaker 1: a certain profession and after they leave there like, actually.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. It's definitely like anything I
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  Speaker 3: see with the social work involved are in like school
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  Speaker 3: law and when i'm you know, guvenile detention stuff. But
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  Speaker 3: that's not how that goes, but you know whatever. By
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  Speaker 3: the way, when this is all happening, he stumbles on Benny,
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  Speaker 3: who can speak many languages, and starts praying to every
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  Speaker 3: god there is, and when it says, oh, you're speaking
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  Speaker 3: the language of my slaves, he assumes that he could,
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  Speaker 3: you know, serve him, and so promises Benny a fortune
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  Speaker 3: if he helps the Mummy regenerate, which of course involves
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  Speaker 3: killing all the Americans and retrieving the jars, and because
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  Speaker 3: he is Benny, he says, of course, yes, yes, please,
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  Speaker 3: let's do this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So now the mummy and it's got a
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: little psychekick Benny a henchman. Yeah, that's better. So Evie
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: refuses to leave. Like they've fled the scene and they're
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: back in a city. They're back in Cairo, I believe,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: but they're like. Evie refuses to leave until she can
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: put a stop to the curse, despite Rick's attempts to
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: convince her otherwise, and more and more of the plagues
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: are starting out. The water turns into blood, they're slained
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: in the sky. Darkness descends, even though it's the.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Middle of the day.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: The Mummy arrives, kills one of the Americans, kisses ev
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: while she is asleep, again, calling her a Oxuna moon.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Rick arrives and scares him away with a cat, as
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know cats regardings the underworld in Egyptian mythology, and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the group meets up with a member of the magi,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: artist Bay and the egyptologist at the library ev works at,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: who also works with the magi, and they realize that
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the Mummy is planning on using ev as a sacrifice
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to bring back his beloved an Oxuna Moon. Evie is
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: able to correct a mistranslation to learn the location of
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the Book of the Living, which should be enough to
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: destroy the Mummy, and it's a Bimbage scholar mistranslation, so
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: that's a powerful moment. But the Mummy corners them after
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: killing all the Americans and fully regenerating himself, so now
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he looks human, and Evy agrees to go with him
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: in order to save the rest of the group.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Right, so Rick and John then and the Magi are
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: at Bay Sexy self make their way to Haminaptra, fight
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: their way through the mummy five priests, a half resurrected
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: a knocks on the Moon and the Mummy himself and
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: succeed in killing him thanks largely to Evie's wits, and
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: escape the collapsing city. Of course, then Rick and ev
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: kiss after they're like, oh, you know, I didn't get
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: anything out of that, that at any treasures, and Rick says, oh,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that, and they ran right off
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: happily ever after, of course, until the second one of
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: comes run.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always a funny thing when a movie.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: And so happily after every but then you know there's
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a sequel, so you're like, well, sure to.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Give it sometimes?
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And I just wanted to put in here because every
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: time I watch this I think that this. Even as
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: a kid, I remember believing like Evie's armpits were so
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: well shaved, and I was like, did women do that
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: back then or did they get that close? Like I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: don't know, but every time that sticks out to me,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that's true. All right, So that's the Mummy. And now
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I guess we should talk about The Mummy Returns the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Mummy Too. But first let's pause for a quick break
• 19:09
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• 19:24
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• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, so yes, the Mummy Too, or the Mummy Returns
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: as it's actually correct. Honestly, I love all of the
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Mummy movies. I know they're not great, not all of
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: them are winners, but yes, I love them. And I
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: just really wanted to make any watch this because she
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: refuses to do so. And honestly, I would have chosen
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: to do the third one too, but I thought it
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: maybe too much for her to handle, so I gave
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: it up. But I mean, come on, Russell long Gently
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: and Michelle, yao, they're some of my favorite actors, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I really do love who they are and the fact
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: that they are part of this franchise too.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, so Samantha was very adamant that we
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: watched this, and I'm actually not even sure why I'm
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: so resistant to it, but so I watched it last night.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I kept putting it off and putting it off, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I guess I'd better watch it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And then after it was over, I checked the outline
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and yeah, we so this was happening.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: We're recording it the day after.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And I had a moment because Samantha hadn't added anything
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: to the outline about the Mummy returns, where I thought
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: she had played a prank on me and tricked me
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: into watching it, And I.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Was like ourge.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: By the way it was done. But I did have
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: a moment of like, what if I just deleted all
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: that part she put it in about the Mummy too,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: and just moved on, I.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Would have been furious.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So like last night, I was fuming, even though for
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: all I knew you were going to we were going
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, even the possibility, right it wouldn't
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: be a good prank.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: But fortunately for everyone around. It's not a prank. And yes,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: we are going to talk about it very briefly though,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: because we are mainly going to focus on the original.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But I just had to put a very quick synopsis
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: so we can all bask in this glory of the sequel.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Sure, all right, So like the first movie, we have
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the opening scene that begins with a legend, the Legend
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of the Scorpion King, played by the one and only
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the Rock, Dwayne at the Rock Johnson, who I believe
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: this is one of his first acting It was us actually, yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and I that was one of the first things I
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: texted Samantha last night was Wow, the acting is He's
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: improved a lot, I'll say. And yeah, so he the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Scorpion King, became the Scorpion King by giving his soul
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to the god and knew this who takes him after
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: giving him victory over his enemies with the help of
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: his army. So there's just like the Scorpion King will
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: rise again with the Army of the Dead thing. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: then we cut to the O'Connell's Rick and Evelyn Evy
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: with their son Alex, and yeah, they're still getting into
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: mischief by digging up things.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, archaeologists that keep digging things up, and it is
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: really funny because it plays on the whole how many
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: mummies and dead armies and things can we raise? And
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: they seem to have just accepted this, I guess. So
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: they discover a new treasure, the bracelet of Anubis Oh,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: which is huge mistake. And as they discover it, they
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: also learned that there is a trap that for anyone
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: who removes it too late. Do they see the inscription
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: saying like don't open this warning you And we cut
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to like waters from the nile rushing into their dig site.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Where are they almost drowned?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But by chance, their son, who is trying to protect
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the site from some shady thieves, breaks through the wall,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: releasing them. And yeah, that's the pillar scene. That's very
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: reminiscent of how we meet Ev in the first one.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Right, and poor kid, I really like him, but his
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: acting is on par with the rock as well, just
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: going put that out there. All the while, Ev is
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: having visions as if she wasn't during the time of
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the pharaoh SETI. It is able to know where everything
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: is mysteriously as if she's been there before. Cut too,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: we see a crew of the bad guys digging up
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the mummy Emmotep, and the crew is led by the
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: reincarnation of Immotep's love a Noxana Moon, who, like ev
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: is able to know where things are without being there before.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: And of course they bring him back to life and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: try to retrieve the bracelet from the O'Connell's so that
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Imotep can command the Army of Anubis and take over
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: the world. Unbeknownst to all the adults, Alex has actually
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: put the bracelet on and started the journey of the
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Bracelet that will lead them to the Scorpion King.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Why does everybody want to rule the world with these armies?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I don't need to tell me.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Also, just just note Phariseeti is the one that an
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: oxynommon Emotep killed, so that's kind of the visions EV's having.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Alex is then kidnapped by the Mummy and the bad dudes,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: which lead all of them on a journey to get
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to the location of Scorpion King. And we couldn't have
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: a good Mummy adventure without magi Ardith Bay. He returns
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Evie's brother Jonathan, and this time we added a dirigible.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Of course, I was like, oh my god, flown by
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: an old friend of Rick's, Izzy and some shrunken heads
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: pygmy mummies to the mix. We also discover that not
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: only do we have the reincarnation of a Oxuna Moon,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: but Princess nepher Titi, which turns out to be Evie
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: from a past life who was the daughter of Pharaoh SETI.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah again a Noxa Moon and Emotep kills him,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and she she witnessed that from like a balcony away
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and she is the protector of the bracelet as well.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I guess we should also say Rick is apparently some
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like guardian.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I meant to look that up, but yeah, somebody he
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: is the guardian of He's like part of the magi
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, brotherhood of sorts because he has.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: To do the the two as they say, and yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: this is where my whole dumb beetle past.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Life past comes from.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: So as they arrived to get Alex back and try
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to stop the Scorpion King, Evie is killed.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And then brought back to life through the Book of
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the Dead, of course by Alex.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: She fights a knocks in the moon while Rick is
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: fighting a really ridiculous looking CGI of the Rock as
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a scorpion king. I'm not exaggerating when I say this
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: consistently comes up on list of the worst CGI at
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: all time, especially from like a big budget movie.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: I think it was like I remember seeing this either
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: in the theaters I can't remember, but the audible laughter
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: of the two years seeing him come out of the
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: wall or the doors or the cave and we were
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: all like.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: What, Yeah, that guy like appears out of nowhere, the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: kind of top he was ahead of the British Museum
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and he's sort of like top goon. Yeah, he sort
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of appears into the scorpion King rips him into five pieces,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and I was like, why.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Is what.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: He's got to show strength?
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were trying to they were trying to show
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: what he could do with his little scorpion limbs. Again,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: if no one's seen this, this is essentially the rock
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: with the scorpion bottom right, he's the top half is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the rock.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: But it's all CGI, is all badly CGI, And at
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: this point in time, there's really no excuse about how
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: bad it was. Why it was so bad.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that people working on it would argue, do
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you think so.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I've seen but that's the thing, is like we've seen
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: so much better.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Why, Yeah, they were working things out back then.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Okay, she made the
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Mummy noise noise.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So as these fights are going, Evy races in, so
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: does the Noxy the Moon.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: See they're kind of loves in this battle.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: All the Emo Tep is really thrown Rick under the bus,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: which I get, but yeah, whatever, So Rick is able
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to kill the Scorpion king, and Emotep and Rick are
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: both like hanging precariously over this chasm of dead souls
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: heale essentially yes, and they're trying to pull them the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: these souls are trying to pull Rick in Emo Tip
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: down and the whole place is collapsing. Ev runs in
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and saves Rick, while an ox in the Moon abandons
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Emo Tip and Emotep is so heartbroken he lets go
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and presumably dies.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Who knows.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Anyway, they escape an Oxen Moon gets eaten by the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: scare of beetles, but Ev and Rick and Jonathan all
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the crew escape via dirigible. Did they ever explain how
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: they fixed it and got the guests?
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: He found something? Right?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't ask any questions, is he came through.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they escape and again happily ever after until
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the next one comes along.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I guess right, And there's a third one. And in
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: this one, we're not gonna talk anything, but I had
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: to mention it because I love it so much, just
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the fact that they are now wealthy people. Oh yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and they're no longer digging, they are now retired, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: they're both very bored. And yes, Rachel Weiss is no
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: longer there. It is now Maria Bellows. So it's not
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Mummy three but the Mummy Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, which,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: by the way, got one star rating.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: We only talk about the finest films on the show.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And also twelve percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: The lowest we've ever hit because Pocus and Practical Magic.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: We're like at twenty twenty eight percent.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, oh go twelve percent on that, but eighty three
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: of the Google users like it, so hey, hey, okay,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: maybe three percent.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: So anyway, all of that is say, they kind of
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: jump into a new one where Ali becomes an older
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: archaeologist and is digging in China and finds the Dragon
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Emperor and his vast army in the fields. Whatever I'm
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: not gonna go do it, but it's fantastic because I
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: do love again those Asian actors, and I think they're
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: fantastic and to see them for just a split second
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: is delightful. But yes, that's the ridiculousness, like, ooh, I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: don't know how Rick O'Connell could possibly beat in combat
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: gently but okay, yeah, the Dragon King who was also
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: magical and knows a lot of martial arts, but hey,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: who cares?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Who cares? But yes, that one is also a franchise.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: But The Mummy is no longer a motep. They've now
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: moved on to China, kind of finished as a China
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but whatever, still a delight to me,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: a delight and worth one watch. But I'm not a
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: second one to talk about. But I just have to
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: throw that in there.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've only seen it once, and the only part
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I really remember is when it zooms in on should
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: be Rachel Weiss, and it's like it's like I'm a
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: whole new person or something.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: An American actor was not great English accent, say she's
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: a whole new person, which is true.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: That was one thing I noticed when I watched The
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Mummy returns because I think i'd seen that like two
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: or three times before, but it's been I mean since
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: it came out. It was it was like a classic
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: action sequel in the sense that everything was way bigger.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And Rick O'Connell, like I love him, but he was
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: doing things where I was like, Wow, you've really upped
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: your game. You caught the knife, like over here, you're
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: doing all kinds of stunts.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I'm very impressed.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: But right, and also we're not going to talk about
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the side of the There was a whole franchise of
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: The Scorpion King, but yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, that was also a one and done for me.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: But if you're looking for a laugh the Scorpion King,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: there you go. So all right, now that we've gone
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: through the plots of these, we did want to talk
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: about some themes. But first we're gonna pause for one
• 30:59
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• 31:14
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• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So I did want to put a disclaimer in here
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that maybe I should have put it at the top,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: but whatever, neither of these movies, or I guess none
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of these movies, if we're gonna count the third one
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: would be a movie that pops into my head if
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: somebody asked me, like, name a feminist movie. Like if
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I was trying to list feminist movies, I might get.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: To the nineteen ninety nine Mommy, but it would be way, way,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: way way down the list.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But then, you know, honestly, I have some trouble thinking
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of feminist movies when people ask me. So I don't know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: but it's definitely not something that I would come to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: mind for me until the listener suggested it. The first
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: one doesn't pass the Bechdel test, I don't think. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: don't think the second one does either. Not that that's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the end all be all of feminist movies, but of note,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and there are definitely some problematic sayings in all of them,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: but there are some excellent feminist elements too, particularly in
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the character of ev So let's start with her, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I'll be focusing on the first one. So Evie is
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a really competent, smart, funny, determined, adventurous, charming, and decisive character.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Most of the plans she comes up with them on
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: her own, quickly and under pressure. I also really appreciate
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: how she's just sort of she's really quick to anger
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: or to be happy like she's just ya, I don't know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: fiery or so, I don't know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: She is feminine in a dress and with her long hair,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't hold her back. She still has a
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: lot of agency and in a flip, her brother Jonathan
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: is the mess up in their family. Although it's kind
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: of funny because, especially in the beginning, I feel like
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: there's this vibe where I guess she think she's the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: screw up in the family, but compared to Jonathan, she's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: definitely not right. Evie is the one that gets to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Hamnacha first. She's the one that decides to stop the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: mummy after she brought him back, but she accepts her
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: fault in that she's the one to correctly translate something
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: from the bimbage scholars that they had messed up, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: this is all after they consistently rejected her. She's the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: one that helps Jonathan translate an Egyptian inscription that saves them,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and this is while she's being attacked and strangled by
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a kno sunermoons mummified half alive corpse. Well, you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: there's that distracting and I love her reaction when Jonathan
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: accidentally drops the Book of the Living into that pool,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and as the city is.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Collapsing, she stops and is like, what have you done?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: They have to drag her away because she's just so
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: passionate about these things.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a scholar. Yeah, and Evie generally serves as
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the leader of the group. Obviously, she's the one that
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: that's like, we need to go dig here instead of
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: let's do this this way. And Rick is the muscle,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: you know. Even in the second one, she does the
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: same thing. She leads them to wards they need to
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: go and she's like here, you know, start working, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: then he uses the bigger tools because of course he's man,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: and he's comfortable in that position and comfortable following her lead.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: The only time Rick takes the lead is during physical
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: situations or obviously when Av's not there, and he he
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: pretty much listens to her and trusts her, follows her
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: lead without complaint, and when they do disagree or argue,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: they do as equals. So that's nice.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean it is funny because she
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is leader and often especially in the second one, which
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: again I hadn't seen in a very long time, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: he's like, are you do we have to do this,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and she's like this, She's just so adventurous and passionate
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: about these things, and he's kind of resigned to Okay, okay,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I guess. And I would argue that the first movie,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: especially is driven by her and Rick just follows her.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think she You could make a good argument that
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: she he's the main character. At the very least, they
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: kind of share that role of main characters. And even
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: when Evie is the damsel in distress in the first one,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it is by choice to give the group the best
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: chance of success. She's not a passive victim. She is
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: not cow During her imprisonment, she does use her femininity
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to kiss Emotep and distract him from killing her friends.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: She threatens and vox Binny, which I do love. That
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: seems she's like always he's like, oh no. She helps
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: her brother translate the inscription while she's being attacked, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: she's the one that reads the passage that renders the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Mummy as mortal and allows Rick to kill him.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Right. And in the second one, they do blame her
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: for killing Emotep, and that's why they kidnap her because
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: they won't revenge against her. They could care less about Rick.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: They obviously blame her, as they should, as well as
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: the fact that when you look at the second one
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: is her and a knocks on a moon, who are
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the protectors of pretty much the realm, whether it's the
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: ricelet or the Pharaoh. They protect and they were chosen
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: to protect and fight, so it's kind of interesting to
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: get that. And yes, she actually gets to fight a
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: little bit in this one where she has some sore
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: play and play with size even yeah, of course it
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: was very obvious it wasn't her during those scenes, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: so nice to think on and of golf. Of course,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: we could also talk about the constant use of white
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: women with dark hair for characters like Neffertiindia and Cleopatra,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: but that's a whole other conversation because she is supposed
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: to be a lineage of that in English as well,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: from what I understood from the first one, right, her
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: mother was Egyptian, her father was.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: In Oh yeah, yeah, but.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: You know whatever, they know, we know all know this
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: has to be a stretch to tie things together perfectly,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: to bring it to one. But yes, in both movies
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: that she also saves Rick, whether she saves them from
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the gallows or she saves them from the pit of
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: hell obviously, so she is the hero in both of
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: these things. They also still follow her footsteps in the
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: second one, and she even has her maternal instincts as
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: a drive and a push for this one as well
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: to get her son back. So, yeah, you know, she's
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the main character. I would agree with that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think so.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: She's the leader for sure, absolutely, And I did want
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to talk about the relationship aspect between Evie and Rick,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: because Rick is clearly attracted to more than just her looks,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: which is unfortunately kind of rare in these adventure action
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: adventure movies. He gives her the tools that he stole
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: because he knows that she's passionate about what she does
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and good at what she does, and he wants her
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to be able to lead them and find what she
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: wants to find. And Rick doesn't pursue romance with her
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: like most male characters from these adventure movies do. He
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: isn't showing off for her. He's just kind of this consistent, capable, respectful,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: kind tender in the way that he follows her and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: expects her that's really allowed in male characters in this genre.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And also you do see, like, as we mentioned when
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: we were doing the plot synopsis, you see Evie kind
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: of pining after.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Him, which is rare too.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Like normally it's just like it's the guy's perspective and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: he and she's just over the moon about him and
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: so smitten with him, and it's very one dimensional.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: But in this she's like, it's equally.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: You can tell that they're both charmed equally by each other,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: which is nice and yeah, pretty pretty rare for this
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: genre or especially at that time, right, And it does
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: continue in the second one. You do you see them
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: build on that, on this trust and like loving and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: care and being on this equal ground and having their
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: like areas of expertise right where they trust that their
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: partner to handle this part of it or this part
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of it, and the very accepting of each other, I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: would say, right.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, in the second one, you definitely see
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the relationship of them compromising because they do still go
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: on adventures. They do go on a dangerous sight digging, yes,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: but she gives in by saying, let's not go to
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the next one. Now, let's go ahead and say here.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: And of course they also have to add that the
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Bimbridge scholars have been begging her of course for them now,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: so that did equal out. We do get to see
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: all of that. You see the conversations they have as parents,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: but at the same time still being madly in love,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: so of course they have to one up that one
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: as well, So it is good to see that type
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: of relationship. We also see Jonathan still being a rake,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: as they would say, I've been watching Bridger den y'all
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: it's seeping that language is sleeping in. But yeah, so
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: you see that as well, and I found that really
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: of course on par like with everything else, his greed
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: and his playboy acting, I guess. But it's also fun
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: to see relationships still intact and him being pretty childish
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: still and them kind of taking care of him.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, troublemaker for sure. Yes, yes, and I did it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I did appreciate that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: You get to see Evi and Rick separately as being
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I would say good parents are very caring parents like protective,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: so you do like it's kind of understood often that
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you're going to see the mother in those maternal instincts,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: but you did with Rick.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: You really saw him.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Being protective and all the paternal protective instincts too, so
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that was nice. And yeah, you do have the comparison
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of because this whole thing starts with a Knox souder
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Moon an Amo Tep trying to be together, although I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: guess now after the second one you could argue that
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a x suner Moon really wanted power and ultimately, yeah,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and that moment and the end of the second one
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: where Evie and a Knox Suna Moon are watching there they're.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Husbands, is like, I don't know if is meridamet.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: But you know, lovers in danger and eb decides to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: save Rick and a Noxynyum flees. I always thought that
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: part was interesting, that there's like which one is the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: true love and that you know, you still have this
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: sort of a Oxymum throughout is kind of painted as
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: this power player who's got something else going on, which
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: is pretty common among female villains right now.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: The thing is like the first one, she was not
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the villain. She was definitely someone you felt sorry for
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: because we don't see. What we don't see is that
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the pharaoh is kind of evil. He keeps her as
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: a slave essentially, like he calls her protector and we
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: talk about that, but essentially she has no choice because
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: we know that her body paint is to show her purity,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: that she would only be touched by him, right, And
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: so she was in love with another man. So it's
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: kind of a sad story in himself. But at the
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: same time, he don't become a mummy kill everyone else.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: The moral of the story.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: That's not cool.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: The moral of the story. Yeah, I think we could
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: end on that. Thanks again to the listener who suggested
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: this and the blog post lean in Reddress. I know
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that that blog post was written after another podcast really
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: tore into this movie for not being feminists, So we're
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: just presenting a different point of view.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: We know it's not the most feminist.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: It's definitely not the most feminist. But is this enjoyable
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: and there are some things to take away from for sure?
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And like I said at the top, Evie
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: still holds up. Ev is still a pretty great character.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: So if you haven't seen it, we highly recommend it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Samantha recommends the other two as well.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Go for it, just go ahead and enjoy it. Enjoy
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I agree. For get your favorite drink God, I agree.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And in the meantime, we would love to hear from
• 42:49
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• 42:52
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• 42:55
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• 42:58
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• 43:03
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• 43:06
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