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Julaine Appling: The Crucial Challenge To ‘Get Out The Vote’ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hello, friends.
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Thank you so much for tuning in, watching and sharing the podcast.
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We've got Jolaine Appling, President Emeritus, Wisconsin Family Council.
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We're so blessed by all the work she's done through all these years.
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And I've got a little news update and a little story we want to share when we bring
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her in.
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We're going to be talking about elections in Wisconsin coming up.
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We'll talk about some family issues, some pro-life story, also some election concerns about
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what the Democrats are doing to get out the vote.
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And you know, that's not just simply getting people to vote, right?
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It's recruiting Democrats.
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But we'll talk about that with Jolaine.
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Let's bring her in right now.
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Good to see you, sister.
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Welcome back to World View Matters.
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Good to be with you, David.
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Always, always an honor.
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All right.
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So over at Wisconsin Family Council's Facebook page, a couple weeks ago, there was announcement.
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It says Wisconsin Family Council's new president, Christine File.
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That's news to our audience.
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Tell us about that in your transition.
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Well, thank you for the last 26 plus years.
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It's been my honor and my privilege in a very humbling time to lead these organizations
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at Wisconsin Family Council and Wisconsin Family Action.
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And about two years ago, I told the board that I thought it was time that we start looking
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for, seriously looking for my successor, that I'd like to step down by the end of 2024
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at the latest.
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So we put into play a nationwide search in law.
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And behold, we found someone right here in Wisconsin.
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And it really is a generational change, David.
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She's decidedly younger.
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You know, she's married and has children lives in South Eastern Wisconsin.
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Her name is Christine File.
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She has wonderful, wonderful credentials.
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She's a Hillsdale college graduate.
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She has a master's from, yeah, a master's from Regent and a law degree from Regent.
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So as of February 19, she stepped in as the president.
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And I retained the title of President Emeritus by virtue of the board.
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So I'm going to help every, all the way through this transition to make sure that we get
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her settled and ready to go.
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And then I'll slowly step off and out of Wisconsin Family Action and Wisconsin Family Council.
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But I will tell you, I'll continue to be doing things that will be all about supporting
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Wisconsin Family Council and Wisconsin Family Action, but also making sure that we get
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our people up to vote.
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Amen.
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And thank you for that.
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You can tell her that you had me at Hillsdale.
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Awesome.
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That's so good to hear.
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So it's everything's going to be in good hands.
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And we'll eventually get her on Lord willing, world view matters on the podcast as well.
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And before we get to the nonpartisan spring election April 2nd, what we need to keep
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an eye out for.
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Jolaine, tell us about the third annual marriage hall of fame.
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Well, first of all, the credit really goes to my counterpart in Louisiana, Gene Mills,
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for a number of years.
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He's put up this Louisiana hall of fame and I've always thought it was brilliant.
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So I called him three years ago and said, Gene, would you let me shamelessly plagiarize?
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And he is so gracious.
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He said, absolutely, you take anything you want and make it yours, Jolaine.
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And so through Wisconsin Family Council, we initiated this unique marriage hall of fame
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for people and couples in Wisconsin who have been married as one man and one woman for
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60 plus years.
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Wow.
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So this is our third year.
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I know.
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Isn't that exciting, David?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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You know, we got a little pushback from a reporter the other day because he said, I found
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somebody who'd been married longer.
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Well, this is our hall of fame, right?
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And this year, the person that couple has been married the longest that we that applied
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for induction 75 years.
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Oh my goodness.
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What's the marriage hall of fame about?
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It's all about honoring the institution of marriage by honoring the individual couples
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who show a marriage that lasts a lifetime can happen.
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What a great example to the next generation, right?
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Yes.
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Praise God.
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I see some on your Facebook page there.
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They're married in 1949, 1950, 1953.
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Wow.
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And a lot more.
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I know.
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Isn't that wonderful?
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Yeah.
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You guys can see that by going on Facebook, Wisconsin Family Council.
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Just put that up in the search there.
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And I hope you like the page.
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But yeah, you can see some of these couples.
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What a great idea.
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So hopefully that will continue to be celebrated.
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All right.
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Julian, let's get down to the stuff.
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It's not so much fun.
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The elections.
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Oh, Lord, it seems like it's a never ending cycle, obviously.
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In some state, maybe Wisconsin, more than others, I don't know, maybe not.
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But the spring nonpartisan election April 2nd and, man, it's a month away.
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There are a couple things you're concerned about.
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Tell us.
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Well, first of all, I'm concerned about voter turnout for sure, okay?
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Because typically our spring elections are low voter turnout.
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And what that means is David, very bluntly, what that means is the people who do vote in
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those low voter turnout elections, their vote counts more than it does in a high voter
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turnout election.
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Local elections, local government, if you will, is the level of government that most directly
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impacts my life in your life.
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Yeah.
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They tell us when we take our trash out, they tell us we have to keep our grass cut.
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How are school curriculums are going to go and so forth.
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So the people need to vote.
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But there are also, there's no statewide candidate race on the ballot for Wisconsin this April.
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You know, last year we had a Supreme Court race.
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Every four years we have a DPI state superintendent of public instruction.
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But this year we have a two question referendum on there that I think people need to know
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about, especially as you talk about election integrity and election reform.
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Remember the Zuckerbuck, David?
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Yes.
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Remember how the millions of dollars came into Green Bay and to a Milwaukee in Racine and
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Madison and Eau Claire, the really liberal strongholds of municipalities in our state in 2020.
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So the first question on all of our ballots in Wisconsin on April 2nd will be, do we want
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to stop money coming in from the outside so that if it's offered, you can't accept it.
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You can't go out and ask for it.
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You can't use it.
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If it's given to you, there's, and then the second one is related to that.
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Because if you remember, the Zuckerbucks didn't just come with money, they came with people.
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They brought people in claiming to be experts who had no official status in our elections
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here in Wisconsin and in these municipalities, plug them into the municipalities over here
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to help.
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So the second question says that no one except an officially recognized election official
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is allowed to be involved with Wisconsin elections.
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So a yes vote says, I don't want Zuckerbucks.
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The second part of it says I don't want Zucker people.
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That's a yes vote.
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If you vote no, you say, OK, those Zuckerbucks were fine and those Zucker people were fine.
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So people need to know about that real quickly.
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Let me give you a very important website, myvote.wi.gov.
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My vote.wi.gov within the next about we can have the everyone's ballot will be up.
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The referendum questions will be up and school board candidates and mayoral candidates
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and county board candidates and city council and village and board candidates will all
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be on there and people need to check that out to make sure they know what's on that
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ballot before they go, knowledgeably, responsibly, and prayerfully is how we need to vote as
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believers.
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But by the way, this is all world view, the world view that impacts being a citizen in
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this incredible republic that God has given us.
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I don't know about you, but I believe God gave us this republic.
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I believe too.
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And we have a dual citizenship.
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The Bible says as Christians, believers, our citizenship is in heaven, but we, while
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we're here, we are citizens of the United States.
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And we have, that's a great responsibility and to not vote.
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One of the only ways you can have your voice can be heard on so many important issues is
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irresponsible.
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Now we, the people, have an opportunity to vote on this.
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And Jelaine was just talking about this website.
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I want to give it to you again for Wisconsin friends.
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It is my vote dot w i dot gov.
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Did I get that right, Jelaine?
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You did.
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Okay.
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We've seen the horror stories.
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And maybe this is more the national, you know, elections in November more than the, the
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nonpartisan ones, but, but outside money coming from other states and from leftist, you
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know, George Soros' and the other leftist fund, they're coming into different, we saw
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it in key races in Texas and Georgia.
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We've had it here in Wisconsin when we were, they were trying to, you know, get Scott
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Walker.
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I mean, we had a Supreme Court race several years ago that was, I think there was a recount
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and all kind of, there was money coming in.
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Is there a difference between this getting money coming in for the nonpartisan election,
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the spring election and the November election, or once we decide, the voters decide on this,
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is that can also affect November?
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Well, it will, it would, it won't affect April, but it would affect November, okay?
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Because once it goes into play, then, and by the way, we know this has already been talked
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about for November, these national groups that had these Zuckerbucks and had these millions
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and millions of dollars that they were plugging in to liberal bastions.
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We know they're already out there.
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So we got to get this past.
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Now, just to make a quick distinction for our viewers, ads and things like that come in
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from third parties to support a candidate or support a party or an issue.
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That's not the kind of money we're talking about.
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We're talking about money that was given to county clerks to supposedly help them turn
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out the vote and conduct their election.
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So that's a very different thing.
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Yep.
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And when I hear that, I'm thinking, okay, who's going to take advantage of that and find
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ways to get out the vote?
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I mean, it's the left.
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It's almost always the left because we are so naive oftentimes, not always.
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But I think we're two, we give people the benefit of the doubt and I think that comes back
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to bite us.
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But let's move on, Jolaine.
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You also wanted to mention something about parenthood of Wisconsin, asking the Wisconsin
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Supreme Court to clarify whether our state constitution allows for abortion on demand.
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Tell us about that.
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Oh, David, we knew this was probably going to come.
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The minute last year in April that we lost a good conservative jurist Dan Kelly lost
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that judicial race for the seat on the Supreme Court.
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And that court flipped in August when Janet Proto say which the winner was seated on
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the court.
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Now court flipped for three liberal from four three conservative.
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We knew it was coming.
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You know, our pre-row abortion ban is right now on the books.
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There's been no definitive decision, ultimate definitive decision on whether that can be enforced.
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There's been an appeal made by the DA and Shaboygan, a good guy.
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And now he's asked the Supreme Court to take that.
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But there's been no final decision yet.
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The court hasn't even said they'll take it.
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Meanwhile, plan parenthood is stepped up in last week.
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Actually, earlier this week, they threw in there a request, a direct action petition to
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our state Supreme Court asking them to clarify whether Wisconsin's constitution included
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self-determination, which for them includes the right of a woman to have an abortion.
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And they did.
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This is just amazing to me.
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The what they're using to support their position, of course, that they think it does, is
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the part of our state constitution where it says we have inherent rights, including the
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right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Now there we line on liberty and pursuit of happiness for that idea of self-determination.
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How do they get past ignoring the most basic of the inherent rights, but that's where
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they are?
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To write to life.
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You think that would be a main focus.
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But anyway, we're going to get to some other stories too.
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We've got a concerning story about left-wing NGOs, illegally getting votes for the left
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and the Biden administration.
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We're using federal agencies, at least one for sure, but probably a lot more.
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And then, oh, there's a lawsuit, the Lea Thomas lawsuit against world aquatic.
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So we've got Jelaine Apling here, and we're talking about family issues, faith, family,
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freedom, marriage, citizenship, all these things that, as believers in Christ, it's important
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to be involved with and aware of what's happening not only locally, but around the country.
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So let's go to this lawsuit, Jelaine.
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So they're holding to biological women only competing in women's sports.
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This is one of those headlines, one of those stories that I always like to say, what
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would our great grandparents think?
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If they saw this story in this headline, they would probably try to figure out there's
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got to be, there's got to be some misprint or typo there.
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But Leah Thomas was a Pennsylvania University of Pennsylvania swimmer that competed against
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Riley Gaines.
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Thank you for Riley Gaines that she's got a great platform now.
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Tell us about this.
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Well, and this is something that I was honestly not aware of until a news item caught my
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attention here recently, but apparently because the swim, the national organization that
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govern swimming at a, you know, the high competitive levels, they said biological males could
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not compete in the women's, the events of swimming in diving events.
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And so Leah Thomas, who of course had one, some, you know, one of those, one of those
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competitive events and then was told, well, you can't go any further, basically said,
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well, I'm going to file a lawsuit now, I'm going to, I'm going to say this very clearly.
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This is the way the left goes, okay, they almost always turn to the courts.
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And there are courts where they can file this kind of lawsuit, David, where they will
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find a friendly judge to get at least at the early stages of the lawsuit, a favorable
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decision.
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Right.
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So what happens though is we'll do they put an injunction on the, the swimming organizations
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ability to enforce a very reasonable rule and regulation in their body of athletes.
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Or will they force that organization to at least temporarily allow biological males
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to compete in women's sports?
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Now, you know, we can talk all day about the unfairness of this.
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You know what, David, I don't think you have to go to great grandparents.
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I think all you have to do is go maybe to grandparents because even most people's grandparents
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today would look at this and say, this is unbelievable.
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Of course, a male should not be participating in women's sports.
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You know, you know, this is just another example of the liberals attack on women.
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They're constantly attacking women.
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They do this through their pro, their, their pro abortion standard or anti-life stand
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through through the sports areas through all kinds of things.
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And so, but we had somebody's funding Leah, you know, there's a wealthy law organization
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out there who's filed this lawsuit and they just wanted to get it in the system to see
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where they could go with it.
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This whole thing is going to go before the Supreme Court.
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You can just be sure of that.
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Yeah.
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They have great marketing because what you said was true there there.
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If you look at what they're doing, they're anti women or anti woman, but they put out
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there that they are all there, they're pro woman and, you know, about women's rights
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and everything else and the way they frame it and they change the, the talking points
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and their narrative that the media puts out.
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So most people think, well, no, the left is not against women, but oh, my goodness, look
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at what they're doing.
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So let's talk about the courts briefly, Jelaine, in our first segment, you know, we talked
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about the Wisconsin Supreme Court and how it flipped based on one vote, one election,
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you know, individual Dan Kelly, you know, not winning that election.
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So now it's liberal majority.
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What can we do like in other states across the country, even in Wisconsin, is there hope
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or is it going to be just a long wait before we have another opportunity to get that back?
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Because you said something very important, the left uses the courts and they can almost
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always find a justice or someone that they'll side with because they have that progressive
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or that liberal worldview.
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Yeah, because a lot of the judges that are in place now at the federal level are appointed
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by Obama.
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Now Donald Trump appointed a ton of more conservative judges and justices to our Supreme Court,
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importantly, but look, every state is a little different.
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There are retention votes that happen, there are appointed, there are states where all judges
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are appointed, they serve a certain amount of term and there's states like ours, where
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we vote for every level of our judicial branch, from municipal right through our state Supreme
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Court.
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So I'm going to talk about Wisconsin because, you know, David, one of the things I've
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worked for all these years is to make sure I'm a voice of hope in the midst of this chaos.
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Elections matter, they have consequences in every vote and every election matters.
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So we don't have a Supreme Court justice election this year.
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But hang on, we have one in 25, we have one in 26 and we have one in 27.
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The one in spring of 25, which is one year from now, has one of the most liberal justices
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in our state Supreme Court up for another 10 year term.
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And whilst Bradley, there's an opportunity right there.
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Wow.
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And I guess we have to start paying more attention to the local level, as you mentioned
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earlier, the state elections, the local.
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We lost that because the media is so good.
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I think they're evil in the way they do this, the marketing of they're so good of making
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it about the presidency, right?
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They're putting it, you know, Biden against Trump in this case, I guess.
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But it's always the wrong framework because we lose that focus on the local election,
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the local level because we're talking about personalities and it shouldn't be about personality,
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but policies, platforms and procedures, your thoughts.
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Oh, I agree with you totally.
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And again, we reiterate the most, the level of government where we have the most impact
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and that most directly impacts us is local, a good mayor, a good city council, a good school
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board can make a huge difference.
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Real change happens from the bottom up, not from the top down, but I got to say too, I forgot
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to mention, but on April 2nd, we in Wisconsin do have our presidential preference primary.
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And all of the candidates that will be on our ballot, whether they've withdrawn or not,
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will be on our ballot, those will show up on that myboat.wi.gov website when all that
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gets posted.
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Yeah, I just saw this, we weren't planning on talking about it, but I think I just saw
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this headline somewhere, Illinois, I think they, they removed Trump from the ballot.
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This is going to be a state by state battle, but it's just, it's just unbelievable that
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they've resorted to this now, just your quick thoughts on that, Elaine.
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This is a left using the courts.
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This is a perfect example of what I just said.
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They have found the courts to be able to do what they can't do through, they'll let, okay,
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the liberals aren't getting anything through the state legislature because they have a Republican
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majority.
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Now with our new maps, that may change in January after the November election here, but
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they found that the courts were generally sympathetic.
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But what's ironic about Illinois, David on this, is she immediately plays an injunction
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on her own order.
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I'm sorry, who, what, judges don't typically do that, but I should hasten to say this issue
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has been resolved a couple months ago here in Wisconsin.
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Trump was allowed to be on the ballot, but there wasn't effort to try to keep him off
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in the court.
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No.
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Okay.
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Let's move to this story.
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I mentioned at the very beginning of the podcast today where the Biden administration
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is using federal agencies and left-wing NGOs, and that means non-governmental organizations
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NGOs to illegally amass votes, according to this article.
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There's a group known as as demos or demos, D-E-M-O-S, and their whole goal is to increase
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voter turnout and voters that are committed to racial justice.
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And let's see, what else, economic inequity, debt-free college.
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So we're talking about activism here, Jelaine, because when we hear increased voter turnout
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or get out the vote efforts, those terms seem benign.
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But when you talk about what they're doing, where they're doing it, and who they're trying
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to attract and get out to vote, basically it's the left mobilizing, trying to mobilize
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an army of social justice activists or leftist voters.
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So share your thoughts on this concerning story.
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Okay.
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First of all, this is a great example of the clash of world views.
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All the things that this demos group stands for is anti-mybiblical worldview.
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And we as believers need to understand that.
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There are forces out there that are trying to impose a very secular, a very evil worldview
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on all of us, and they're using every avenue they can.
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Second thing I want to say quickly, you are right that getting out the vote really is benign,
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David, and it needs to remain that way.
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Conservatives need to get out the vote.
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We need to do everything we can to get people from the pews to the polls.
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People who have a biblical worldview have a responsibility, a stewardship responsibility,
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to at least vote as a citizen in this country.
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So inherently it's not wrong to go and try to convince people to get registered
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and then take the next step and go vote.
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The problem, as I see it in this situation, is, and I love the lawyer that cited there from heritage.
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He has a great reputation, and if you can pronounce his name, go for it.
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I know his name, I know who he is, but his point is that the federal government has no authority
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to engage in a grassroots level on registering voters and encouraging them to vote.
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Whether they're hooking up with an NGO that is left-wing or whether they're doing it some other way.
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He gives a great example in there, David, you know, somebody calls a registered for disability benefits
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or social security, and they say, oh, oh, by the way, I see you aren't registered to vote.
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Let me help you.
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Oh, by the way, you need an absentee ballot, and by the way, there's nothing wrong with an absentee ballot.
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They just have to be handled right.
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But what you have here is them using the agencies of help to floorward their ideology.
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And that is fundamentally wrong.
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And I think Hans, that's his first name.
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I know I'm knowing by Hans, Hans the lawyer nails it right there.
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They don't have the funding, they haven't been authorized by Congress,
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they have the funding to do this, and they don't have the legal right to do it.
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Well, when I hear that now, 20 years ago, maybe it would have been different.
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When I hear that now, I'm thinking, well, let's never stop them before.
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They don't have the authorization.
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Well, let me just share, you know, part of the article, Biden issued an executive order
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stating that federal agencies shall consider ways to expand citizens' opportunities
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to register to vote and to obtain information about, participate in the electoral process.
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And that we're talking about reaching all levels in every single department
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of the executive branch telling other departments to come up with a strategic plan
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to engage in voter registration.
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And we've got, so we've got Democrats and leftists in the government saying,
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this is what we're trying to do.
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And one of the things they do, they are against obtaining absentee ballots.
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No, they're four absentee ballots.
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And it's just, it's just, it's gone.
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It's an article, I think that we put that up already.
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It's over at the Washington stand by Dan Hart.
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So make sure, yeah, there it is.
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Make sure to check that out, guys, because what they're doing is not just getting out
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the vote. They're recruiting voters that they can either persuade,
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that they can either influence, or that they know they can count on.
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Jolaine, your final thoughts were running out of time.
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We, you know what?
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We as conservatives need to be engaged in this same kind of thing in a legal way.
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Not having, using the weaponized federal government to do that.
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That is an inappropriate.
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Now, the question is, David, will somebody sue?
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Because I don't know how you stop that unless somebody sues and says he had no right
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to issue that executive order and to kind of utilize the government agencies to promote
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his, his, the voters he wants out through the, the Biden administration.
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So if, but did the message all of us, we got a vote.
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Yes, and we've got a lot of catching up to do.
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I'll never forget.
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I think it was in the 90s that MTV did their, whatever, rock the voter, get out the
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vote.
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And who do you think they're attracting the, the teenagers and the kids in their 20s
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and who do you think they're primarily going to vote for and their, their condition due
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to Hollywood and MTV and music industry and all that to vote for?
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Democrats.
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So that's how it works.
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We have to be better in Jolaine.
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We don't have enough time to talk about the millions and millions of Christians that do
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not go from the pew to the polling place to vote.
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We've got to be better at that.
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I agree.
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But thank you for all the hard work you do and the information that you provide for us.
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And we'll, Lord willing, talk to you again very, very soon, Jolaine.
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God bless you, sister.
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I hope so.
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Thanks, David.
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God bless you too.
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Thanks for your time.
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All right.
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Guys, go to Wisconsin Family Council.
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Wisconsin Family Action.
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That's WI FamilyAction.org.
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Thanks again for sharing the podcast.
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God bless you, friends.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.