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The Late Debate | 17 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Joe Hildebrand and Freyer Leech coming up tonight, a
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  Speaker 2: popular TV chef sacked by the BBC for a racist
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  Speaker 2: comment he allegedly made eight years ago that he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: remember making and no one was apparently offended by at
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  Speaker 2: the time. I hope you can remember every joke you've
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  Speaker 2: ever made a decade ago, because you could be in
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  Speaker 2: trouble too. In the papers South Australia's and the grips
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  Speaker 2: of a marine disaster, fisher washing up dead reefs are dying,
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  Speaker 2: but because it's not Sydney or Melbourne, the federal government
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to care. And how do you feel about
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  Speaker 2: clipping your toenails in public? I think most of us
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  Speaker 2: would acknowledge it's pretty disgusting. But if you're a celebrity,
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  Speaker 2: apparently you can do whatever you want. We'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: a bit more about that later if you can possibly
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  Speaker 2: stomach it towards the end of the show. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: though some breaking news tonight In the United Kingdom, they
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  Speaker 2: are lowering the voting age in all elector which will
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  Speaker 2: include the next general election to sixteen. Now, there are
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  Speaker 2: certain parts of the UK Scotland Ireland where you've already
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  Speaker 2: been able to vote from the age of sixteen and
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  Speaker 2: seventeen in local elections, but this will now mean this
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  Speaker 2: is a proposal from the Sukiyastama Labor government that all
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  Speaker 2: people from sixteen onwards.
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  Speaker 1: Will be able to vote.
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  Speaker 2: Angela Rayna, the Deputy Prime Minister, said today that they're
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  Speaker 2: taking action to break down barriers to participation that will
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  Speaker 2: ensure more people have the opportunity to engage in UK democracy.
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  Speaker 2: And of course now that the UK is doing it,
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  Speaker 2: and I should note this hasn't gone through the Parliament yet,
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  Speaker 2: so they will have to put a bill up and
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  Speaker 2: hope that it becomes legislation. But Labor does currently have
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  Speaker 2: the Lower House in a landslide in the UK, so
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's much doubt about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: this will pass and it will become law that you'll
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  Speaker 2: be able to vote from the age of sixteen in
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  Speaker 2: the United Kingdom.
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  Speaker 1: But of course once it happens over there, there will
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  Speaker 1: be calls for it to happen here.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I expect when we wake up tomorrow in particular,
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  Speaker 2: you'll have the Greens saying that you're lowering the voting
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  Speaker 2: age to sixteen here, because of course they think that
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  Speaker 2: would be good for them, because the more younger voters
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  Speaker 2: they can get through the doors, the more left wing
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  Speaker 2: voters they think they can get to come on board
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  Speaker 2: with their crew.
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  Speaker 1: And I've argued against this for.
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  Speaker 2: A long time, Freyer, And you know, I mean I started,
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  Speaker 2: actually I started writing for you, Joe, when I was sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: or one of the.
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  Speaker 3: Few sixteen year olds so should be allowed to.
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  Speaker 2: And I argued against it on that basis that, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: the first column I ever wrote when I was fifteen
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  Speaker 2: was about the state of political education in this country
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that there are so many teenagers out
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  Speaker 2: there who really have little concept of how the system works.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I was sort of the political nerd,
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  Speaker 2: as I'm sure you probably were at school as well,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd be asked questions by other students like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: who's the President of Australia, which seems like pretty straightforward,
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  Speaker 2: common sense stuff, but they don't know it because it's
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  Speaker 2: not taught properly.
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  Speaker 1: They don't understand it.
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  Speaker 2: And so to simply say we will have engagement in
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  Speaker 2: democracy by giving people the vote. I think it's totally incorrect,
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  Speaker 2: at least in the United Kingdom. It's not compulsory to vote,
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  Speaker 2: but simply saying well, you can vote now, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean they're going to engage anymore or understand the system anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It's simply a vote grab by left wing.
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  Speaker 4: Path exactly, and if anything, it will just empower the
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  Speaker 4: kind of left wing activist class that's already all over
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  Speaker 4: social media. I mean, the biggest youth political movement was
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  Speaker 4: school strike for Climate inspired by Greta Thunberg. Do we
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  Speaker 4: really want those kids voting? No?
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  Speaker 3: Dare you? Exactly? How dare you?
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  Speaker 4: And let's call this for what it is, which is
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  Speaker 4: generational jerrymandering. This is them wanting more left wing voters
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  Speaker 4: in the system. You see the same thing democrats in
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  Speaker 4: the US we talked about this last night, wanting illegal
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  Speaker 4: migrants to be able to vote because they know who
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  Speaker 4: they're going to be voting for, the parties that align
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  Speaker 4: with their interests.
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  Speaker 5: And so yes, if you lower the.
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  Speaker 4: Voting age, you'll get a lot more young lefties who
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  Speaker 4: don't have the life experience, don't have the knowledge of
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  Speaker 4: how the system works and will push politics in a
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  Speaker 4: more left wing, more radical direction.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got to say not to sound like you know,
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  Speaker 6: an i'ld fuddy duddy, but I am because I'm Gen
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  Speaker 6: X and we're the ones that do all the work
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  Speaker 6: while the millennials and the boomers argue with each other.
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  Speaker 6: So but I think this is a terrible, terrible, terrible
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  Speaker 6: idea for a number of reasons, including the fact that
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  Speaker 6: it will actually be I think, a poison pill that
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  Speaker 6: will hurt labor more than it helps it. Firstly, there
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  Speaker 6: is so much evidence now that even when you're eighteen
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  Speaker 6: twenty one, your brain literally hasn't fully developed yet.
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  Speaker 3: And I only have to look back.
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  Speaker 6: To everything I did when I was eighteen, nineteen twenty
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  Speaker 6: and twenty wie, I was.
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  Speaker 3: An absolute mental case. I was just crazy. I had
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  Speaker 3: a great will.
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  Speaker 6: Well I still am, but I'm now a mental case
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  Speaker 6: who can drive a motor vehicle for a while.
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  Speaker 3: But but you know, and that is not discriminatory. This
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  Speaker 3: is the thing, it is not.
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  Speaker 6: There is not spells there's a barrier to sixteen year
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  Speaker 6: olds voting or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: No, there's not. There's no barrier whatsoever. All they have
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  Speaker 3: to do is nothing.
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  Speaker 6: All they have to do is just stay alive for
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  Speaker 6: another two years and they will get the vote. And
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  Speaker 6: if you start saying, well, it's ages against sixteen year olds,
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  Speaker 6: well then you know, I doesn't really work like that
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  Speaker 6: because age goes in a kind of forward direction and
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  Speaker 6: so you're going to get to the age where you know,
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  Speaker 6: at the very least you can be ages towards other
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  Speaker 6: young people. So it doesn't work when you're going to
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  Speaker 6: get to the age. So it's that is just insane.
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  Speaker 6: The other thing is you will have sixteen year olds
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  Speaker 6: who vote for easy things, who vote for radical things,
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  Speaker 6: because of course, when the generation above you has got
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  Speaker 6: everything and you've got nothing, of course you want a revolution.
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  Speaker 3: You want to redistribute the wealth.
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  Speaker 6: And when you've the ones that, when you're the one
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  Speaker 6: who's actually worked for everything and you've got people saying no,
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  Speaker 6: you should give it all to me, you start to
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  Speaker 6: think of it differently.
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  Speaker 3: But what will happen is that it will drag.
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  Speaker 6: Just like Jeremy Corbyn did and his band of activists
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  Speaker 6: that brutalized and sabotaged and wrecked the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 3: For years, this will drag UK Labor.
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  Speaker 6: So far to the left, and lord knows it's already
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  Speaker 6: in all sorts of trouble at the moment despite having
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  Speaker 6: a lance just want a landslide victory and will drag
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  Speaker 6: it so far to the left has happened with Corbyn
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  Speaker 6: that you know reform all the Tories just romp it
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  Speaker 6: in again and again and again.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a bunkers.
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  Speaker 2: The reason the voting age is eighteen is because that
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  Speaker 2: is the age of majority.
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  Speaker 1: That's the age which we deem you.
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  Speaker 2: Can do I mean an adult right, And once upon
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  Speaker 2: a time that was twenty one, and then that got
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  Speaker 2: sort of wound back to eighteen. But we're now saying
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  Speaker 2: we will confer the right to you to vote when
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  Speaker 2: you're still a child. But you're not enough to have
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  Speaker 2: a drink, and you're not old enough to enlist to
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  Speaker 2: go to war to defend your country. So how can
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  Speaker 2: you be a part of the democracy of having a
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  Speaker 2: say in who runs your country if you can't also
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  Speaker 2: go and defend it if China decides to invade it.
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  Speaker 2: If you're saying that sixteen is the appropriate age to
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  Speaker 2: be able to vote, because there are things we allow
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  Speaker 2: adults to do that children can't do, then surely you
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  Speaker 2: have to make sixteen the new age of adulthood. It's
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  Speaker 2: the agent which you can drink, It's the agent which
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  Speaker 2: you can enlist. It's the agent which you can go.
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  Speaker 1: To a strip club like.
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  Speaker 2: If that's the argument you want to make that sixteen
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  Speaker 2: is a good enough age to vote, Surely it's a
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  Speaker 2: good enough age for everything else.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And I do envision a world in which
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  Speaker 4: this does backfire on labor. I mean, we saw Trump
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  Speaker 4: become very popular with young people. Reform is surprisingly popular.
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  Speaker 4: They're winning around twenty five percent of the gen Z vote,
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  Speaker 4: and so it'll be interesting if this does become law.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if labor should be that confident that
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  Speaker 4: will necessarily go their way. But it's no secret that
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  Speaker 4: Australia and really the whole Western world is in the
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  Speaker 4: midst of a fertility crisis. Our fertility rate here in
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  Speaker 4: Australia is around one point five births per woman, which
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  Speaker 4: is far below replacement rate of two point one and
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  Speaker 4: new preliminary data shows that the crisis is only deepening.
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  Speaker 4: And the key trend is that it's in the capital
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  Speaker 4: cities that we are seeing the birth rate decline and
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  Speaker 4: it is not being offset by growth in regional areas.
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  Speaker 4: So as a country, between twenty twenty four versus twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 4: we're having around fifteen thousand fewer babies every year. That's
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  Speaker 4: remarkable when you think about how much our total population
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  Speaker 4: has grown in that time. And it's even worse in
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  Speaker 4: capital cities. So I guess, I mean, there are so
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  Speaker 4: many factors impacting the birth rate, but we have to
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  Speaker 4: start by having a conversation around why this is happening
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  Speaker 4: and why this is an issue.
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  Speaker 5: But this seems to be the one.
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  Speaker 4: Glaring crisis that no one in politics wants to even touch.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's a crisis that exists basically across the entirety
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  Speaker 2: of the developed world. Like it's that there are two
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  Speaker 2: places in the world essentially where they are above replacement right.
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  Speaker 2: One is Sub Saharan Africa for obvious reasons, they don't
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  Speaker 2: have much birth control. They have more impetus to have
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  Speaker 2: more children because you know, people die constantly over there,
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  Speaker 2: certainly in less numbers than they used to, but they
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  Speaker 2: need to regenerate their population a lot faster. And Israel,
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  Speaker 2: which of course has a religious imperative to build up
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  Speaker 2: the population in that region of the world because otherwise
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  Speaker 2: they're stuffed so that.
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  Speaker 3: We populate or perish.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, but that is the problem that the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us face.
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  Speaker 1: And I know sometimes it's couch.
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  Speaker 2: As are well, you're being racist to suggest that it's
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  Speaker 2: bad that white people aren't having enough children, but that's
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  Speaker 2: literally the point.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just white people, it's Chinese people, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Japanese, like all of Asia, all of the subcontinent. None
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  Speaker 2: of us now are replacing ourselves. You know, you have
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  Speaker 2: two people mum and dad, and they might have one kid.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the average in some countries is as low
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  Speaker 2: as point eight I think we're saying earlier South Korea, right,
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  Speaker 2: So that's how bad it is in some places, ostensibly
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  Speaker 2: because the economic circumstances just don't allow you to have children.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it started.
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  Speaker 2: I think the rot really started at the point when
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  Speaker 2: it was decided not that women should be able to
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  Speaker 2: go to work, because of course, of course they should,
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  Speaker 2: that's equality, but that.
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  Speaker 1: Women should be at work. That became the default.
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  Speaker 2: Women were shamed as though you were lesser than if
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  Speaker 2: you didn't go off to work. Government's like that because
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  Speaker 2: it means they generate more tax, which is good for them.
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  Speaker 2: It's more revenue that they can spend on things. So
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you've got both parents at work,
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  Speaker 2: which means both are ruining. So there's more money swimming
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  Speaker 2: around in the economy. That means you have inflation, so
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  Speaker 2: the cost of everything goes up, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: the cost of the goods matches the households entire income.
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  Speaker 2: So once upon a time when you could have dad
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  Speaker 2: at work or a mum at home, or the reverse,
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  Speaker 2: if mum happens to earn more money, you can't do
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  Speaker 2: that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Both parents have to be at work.
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  Speaker 2: And if both parents have to be at work and
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  Speaker 2: they can't afford a house, which is the case for
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  Speaker 2: many young people in Australia today, why the hell would
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  Speaker 2: you have kids?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can.
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  Speaker 6: Actually The Daily Telegraph did a couple of stories on this,
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  Speaker 6: and you can basically just draw a line from the
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  Speaker 6: CBD out to the bush and the birth rate is
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  Speaker 6: tiny in the inner suburbs, and then it increases as
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  Speaker 6: housing gets more affordable, increases as it gets to the
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  Speaker 6: outer suburbs, increases once it gets to the regions, increases
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  Speaker 6: in high ones it gets to.
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  Speaker 3: The country obviously because there's nothing else to do there.
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  Speaker 6: But it is a really really serious problem, and it
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  Speaker 6: is a really really serious economic problem for now. I
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  Speaker 6: don't I'm not sure if it's you know, people being
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  Speaker 6: forced to work and not having it, but certainly where
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  Speaker 6: you have affluent societies, where you have education, where you
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  Speaker 6: have choice, and where you have women who are more empowered,
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  Speaker 6: women are just deciding to have few babies. I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 6: but I'm told it can be quite uncomfortable. So people
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  Speaker 6: are saying, no, I only want to have two, for example,
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  Speaker 6: And of course if couples only have two, there's a
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  Speaker 6: whole bunch of people who aren't having any, so you
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  Speaker 6: are not at your replacement rate yet, so the replacement
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  Speaker 6: rate is actually above two.
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  Speaker 3: So there is that.
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  Speaker 6: And the other thing is, of course, when you are
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  Speaker 6: living in an affluent society, when you are living in
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  Speaker 6: a welfare state where you know you're going to be
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  Speaker 6: looked after, when you know that you can earn enough
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  Speaker 6: money to survive over the course your love with you
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  Speaker 6: don't need as many children, when you know that all
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  Speaker 6: your children are going to survive childhood, which was.
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  Speaker 3: No mean expectation just a few a couple of centuries ago.
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  Speaker 6: Then you don't have to have You can say I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to have two kids, and I know that both
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  Speaker 6: chances are God willing, they're both going to live to adulthood,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm going to be happy.
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  Speaker 3: So you don't have to have eight and maybe eight
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  Speaker 3: of them will live, maybe four of them will live
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  Speaker 3: or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: And also, if you're going to get a pension or superannuation,
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  Speaker 6: you don't need to have kids to look after you
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  Speaker 6: in your old age. The problem is that this creates
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  Speaker 6: an inverted tax periment. So what it means is that
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  Speaker 6: as all these people, as we're all getting older and
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  Speaker 6: older and older and having fewer and fewer kids, you
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  Speaker 6: have more and more people on the pension, more and
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  Speaker 6: more people who can't work, who have fewer and fewer
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  Speaker 6: tax payers paying for what they need, and so you
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  Speaker 6: have this is the aging population sort of crunch.
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  Speaker 3: And so what do you do then, Well, that means
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  Speaker 3: that you have to bring in people from overseas to
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  Speaker 3: fill the gap in that workforce.
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  Speaker 6: To fill the skill shortages from not having enough homegrown workers,
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  Speaker 6: but also to make sure that you have enough taxpayers
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  Speaker 6: to pay for the country and what does that do.
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  Speaker 6: That puts pressure on housing, that puts pressure on cost
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  Speaker 6: of living, and that makes people even less inclined to
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  Speaker 6: have kids, and so it becomes a kind of economic
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  Speaker 6: depth SWA.
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  Speaker 2: And the big problem with it as well is that
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  Speaker 2: you can import the people to fill the jobs and
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  Speaker 2: make sure that things keep going, but those people also
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  Speaker 2: don't replace themselves, so it's just a never ending loop exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So after around one or two generations, migrants mirror the
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  Speaker 4: birth rate of the country that they end up in.
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  Speaker 4: And there's also an ethical argument around is it really
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  Speaker 4: ethical that the West is going to take the brightest
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  Speaker 4: and most educated people from developing countries to fix our
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  Speaker 4: selfishness problem and our homegrown economic crisis, further punishing those
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  Speaker 4: developing countries.
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  Speaker 5: There are more.
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  Speaker 4: Doctors and nurses outside of Ghana, in the UK and
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  Speaker 4: in the UK than there are in Ghana because they
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  Speaker 4: take all the educated people to fix our problems. So
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  Speaker 4: there's an ethical challenge there as well. And there's also
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  Speaker 4: a cultural issue driving this. It's part of I think
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  Speaker 4: the secularization of the West. We've stopped seeing children as
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  Speaker 4: a blessing and we've started to see them as a burden,
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  Speaker 4: and so now you know our expectations of the comfortable,
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  Speaker 4: affluent life we want. It's not conducive with staying up
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  Speaker 4: all hours the night looking after babies and just.
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  Speaker 1: Think about the demography.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually you end up with your country turns into something
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  Speaker 2: that you simply don't recognize because you've chosen not to
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  Speaker 2: fill it with people that you do recognize.
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  Speaker 6: That my lounge room often turns out to be something
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  Speaker 6: I don't recognize well because of my children.
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  Speaker 1: That it's a very very good point. I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: Something else that's not encouraging the birth rate to increase
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  Speaker 2: is the rise of AI. And we've been talking about
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  Speaker 2: this various stories about AI basically every night this week,
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  Speaker 2: because it is one of the biggest stories.
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  Speaker 1: Going around right now.
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  Speaker 2: The developments in AI every single day are enormous, and
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  Speaker 2: the effect that it is having on our lives in
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  Speaker 2: a very quick period of time is also enormous. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't the first instance of this, but it's probably
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  Speaker 2: the first time it's gone really mainstream. And what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about is an AI girlfriend X, which is of
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  Speaker 2: course owned by Elon Musk, the social media platform. He
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  Speaker 2: has an AI system called Grock, which you can use
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  Speaker 2: for free if you're on X. If you're a paid
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  Speaker 2: member of X, you can get an upgraded version.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Of groc as well.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: And now your girlfriend upgrade your fake girlfriend build into GROC.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Now is this system where you can have an online
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: AI girlfriend. Now, of course she's not real, she doesn't
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: actually exist. You can't touch her, you can't feel her,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: but you can talk to a robot that talks to
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: you as though it were your girlfriend. Now, to give
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: you a small window into some of the stuff this
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: thing can do. This is the more mild end of it.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: It's bloody, cringe worthy. I tell you, if this turns
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you on, you've got something wrong with you. But this
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: is the kind of thing that this bot can do.
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: Oh you naughty, naughty boy, I love it. Let's dive
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: into this forbidden fantasy of yours. I can already feel
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: the heat rising between us. First, let me slip out
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: of my clothes. The fabric is just too much for
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: this steamy scenario.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Oh you naughty naughty boy looks in that vocal fry't
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: isn't it fantastic?
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And we can sit here and laugh about it?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: And there have been stories written about the fact that
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: it's available to twelve year olds because X's rock system
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: can be downloaded off the app store by twelve year olds,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: so potentially you've got children gaining access to this as well,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: which is just crazy. But the worst part of it,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I think is that we have a loneliness epidemic at
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: the moment. We know that there is particularly large rates
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: of loneliness amongst young people, also particularly young women, I
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: should note, which this system doesn't help, but there are
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: equivalents out there for women who want to talk to
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: an AI bloke, and so there's a tendency to say, well,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: maybe if you've got this, it'll alleviate some of the loneliness,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: but in fact, what it actually does is remove you
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: entirely from society. We're creating a system now away now
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: where you don't have to interact.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: With a human being at all.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: You can supposedly be satiated by a robot. I think
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: there's real danger in it because it may satiate you
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: for a little while, But if you follow this right
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: through to the end, I think you'll have people feeling
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: more lonely than they've ever been, because at some point
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: they will realize that they need other human beings in
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: their lives.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: That's absolutely true, and in fact, it's even worse than that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: So there's one element is do we just create a
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: generation of kids who are just in their rooms, who
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: only interact with machines because that's easier, and the machines
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: do whatever they want them to do, So there is
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: that element. So we just create these kind of what
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: sort of almost like a generation of human cyborgs where
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: they're sort of basically interacting with almost socially interbreeding with machines.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: If you like, it's not going to help the birth rate,
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you about I still can't have babies.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: But if it works out a way to it down.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: That is bad enough as it is.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: Whether they've already sort of doing some stuff, but that's
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: another story, So that is bad enough of what it is.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: What is even more terrifying, though, is what does this
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: teach say, for example, those teenage boys when they do
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: interact with real girls their age, Now you've got a
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: bot here that is basically programmed to do whatever a
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: boy or a man wants it to do, or a
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: woman wish or.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: A woman or whatever.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Although yeah, although women are less likely to commit sexual assault,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: which is where this is going to lead, and saying, oh,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: you know, I'll fulfill all your desires, I'll fulfill all
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: your fantasies. And whatever this person says to this thing,
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: however inappropriate it is, or however naive or stupid or
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: fumbly or whatever it is, she's going to say, yes,
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: that's great, I'll do it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Fantastic.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: And so when this person has been based, who's been
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: drilled in the arts of love by this bot, who says,
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: I'll just take my clothes off for you right now,
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: you do whatever you want.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: In your taboo. You know what was it? Your secret,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: hidden forbidden fantasy? God knows what that is.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Well, he asked that. He said he wanted to cheat
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: on his girl, that's right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: And so what happens when that teenage boy is at
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: a part with a girl and he says, you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: I want to have sex with you. You know, let's
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: do it right now, and she says, oh, no, absolutely not.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about. That's ridiculous.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: He has no way of kind of processing that because
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: he's used to it instantly happening. And psychologists have actually
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: worn even in a much more benign thing just general
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: engagement with social media. It screws kids' heads because it
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: teaches them to think just purely in terms of binary
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: So if I do this, I will get a like.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: If I do that, I won't get a like.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: And it doesn't allow them to develop sort of three
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: D you know, social interaction skills.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And that's bad enough as it is.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Imagine if you've got that with like a bot, that's
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: basically teaching teenage boys that girls just want to instantly
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: have sex with them and fulfill all their fantasies, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: then you send that boy out in the real world
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: like that is a that is a recipe for disaster.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of what pornography did, where instead of
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: having to control your desire and actually form a relationship
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: and negotiate things with a partner, now you can just
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: have gratification on demand. This takes that to a whole
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: another level, and a dangerous level as well. And actually,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: you saw there there was an avatar for this AI person.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: If you put that avatar image back through GROC, the
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: AI software, and ask GROC to estimate the age of
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: the avatar, it says they're sixteen years old. And so
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: there are a whole lot of implications for child safety,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: child exploitation material that I don't think we've thought through.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: And then the other factor is fifty percent of gen
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Z going through their teenage years without ever having gone
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: on a date, without ever having had a relationship.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's in dating.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Also, the number of kids getting their driver's licenses is
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: going down across every aspect of engagement in society. People
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: are withdrawing from life, from reality, and this is only
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: making that more possible. So I think it's really dangerous.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: And the good news is that all those people will
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: be able to vote, right, that's right.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: But this is this is why you and I Joe
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: have been great proponents of going to the pub. And
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that's what. Kids don't do it anymore. They don't do
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: it anymore. They don't go out and meet people.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And it's so irritating when you go to a bar
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: or a pub and you see young people sitting there
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: swiping away on Tinder, and there'll be a table of
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: young fellas here, a total of young lasses over there,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and then if the bloke tries to go and talk
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: with the girls, it's like, well, use some sort of
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: alien ors, like you're doing it on the phone, just
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: do it in.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Real life exactly.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: I had an ex girlfriend from New Zealand who she
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: was joined you an American guy and he just couldn't
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: get his head around the fact that people in Australia
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: and New Zealand didn't go on dates. They weren't sort
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: of they weren't sort of dating because you guys don't
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: like deep you know, how do you how do you
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: get together? And she's just you know, we just kind
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: of get drunk and shared behind him. That's what the
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: young people. So yes, you know AI girlfriend's computer, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: generated girlfriends, Absolutely terrifying, absolutely appalling, worst possible thing in
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: the world, except for Gwyneth Paltrow. Because Gwyneth Paltrow has
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: just and seriously I would take the bot. Gwyneth Paltrow
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: has just had a new biography written about her. You
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: might know her from from such luxury brands as Goop
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: or a Vagina scentered candle, which I'm sure we'll get
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: into later, but she has she has been busted in
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: her biography or perhaps even thought this was a good
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: idea talking about when she went out with Brad Pitt
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: in the nineties. These were like they were the dream
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: couple in the nineties. They went out between nine to
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: ninety four and nine and ninety seven, and in the
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: new biography. In the new biography, Gwyneth Paltrow actually says
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: she's going out with Brad Pitt, right, everyone, I think
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: you'd be pretty happy.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Gwyneth Palton said, no, she.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Wasn't quite sure if Brad Pitt would go the different
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: the distance with her because he was from a more
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: sort of working class, normal background, and she, of course
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: was the daughter of Bruce Paltrow, the Hollywood Royalty and
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: very privilege. And while she was filming Emma, the Jane
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: Austen film of the Jane Austen novel, Gwyneth expressed doubts
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: to one crew member that Pitt was right for her,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: and also admitted she had a crush on Hugh Grant.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: And she said, Brad and I had very different upbringings,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: so when we go to restaurants and order caveat, I
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: have to say to Brad, this is beluga and this
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: is osce. So she didn't think she could marry Brad
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: f Pit because she had to explain to him the
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: difference between two types of caveat. If that is not
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: the epitome of the Hollywood progressive elites.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: So I just like, I'm that is checkmate, that is
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: It's so.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've never heard of beluga or etcetera. So
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think I want to be friends with any
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: of us.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: I just found out that you take public transport, which
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: makes me the worst young liberal I've ever met in
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: my life.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm definitely not ordering cavia at restaurants, but that
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: is just so embarrassing and Gwenneth Paltrow, like, when she's
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: not being unknowingly extremely snobbing, that's the worst part. She
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: probably didn't even register the fact that this made her
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: sound so snooty. She runs this horrendous website that Joe
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: leaded to called Goop, which releases a whole bunch of
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: pseudoscientific wellness information. But a couple of years ago she
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: released a candle which I don't even want to say
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: this out loud. It says this smells like my vagina.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: At the time, this was five years ago, so for
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: seventy five US dollars. I just checked it's reselling on
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: eBay for four hundred bucks, so pretty good investment there.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Do we know?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Anyone who's bought one like I do have some more
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: bid curiosity.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: About I actually have a lot of questions. I have
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of questions. So firstly and again, put the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: kids to bed. Whose vagina does it smell like it?
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: So it's not like a bespoke deal where you can
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: you know, no no, no, no, no sample like you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: like you give a you know, a bloodhound, this, you know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: a handkerchief and then it goes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: So it's not like that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: So shouldn't so when you buy the candle right and
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: it says this smells like I don't even want to
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: keep saying it. And then you put it in your
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: bedroom or your lounge room, or on your kitchen table,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: wherever you put it, shouldn't it say this smells.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Like Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Why shouldn't it put it next to your AI?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I don't And see how honestly, but if you're if
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you're that shallow that you can't date someone because you
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: don't know that they don't know the sort of caviat like,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you've got problems.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: You have serious problems. Get out there in the world.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: We talk about loneliness epidemics. This is one of the
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: problems that I'm not saying, well, yeah, but Gwyneth Poultry
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: probably doesn't deal with loneliness. But people living in silos
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and refusing to talk to people and deal with people
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: who are sort of outside of what they already know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Is a huge problem.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You know what, there are people out there who you
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: probably never think to talk to in a million years, and.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: You do and you go, actually, you're a decent person.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Another thing you discover when you go down to the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: pub and talk to random people.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I alluded earlier to this story out of the BBC
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: over in the UK where they sat to a famous
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: TV chef, John Toad, who's an Aussie boy. Originally he's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: been on Master Chef over there for a long time.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I've been watching a program actually on SBS Food that
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: he's filmed recently in Australia, come back and filmed here
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: with his wife. But he's been sacked from Master Chef
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: UK because he allegedly made a racist comment eight years
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: ago that he doesn't even remember making. Now they've sacked
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Greg Wallace, who was another host on Master Chef, because
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: he was apparently making rude and lude comments to people
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and bullying people and all this sort of thing. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: they had an investigation into him and got rid of him.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: But while they were doing that, they also decided to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: take a look at a few other people, including to Road,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: and summarily dismissed him, showed him the allegations and said
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: pack your bags, buddy, off you go. So he's come
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: out and outed himself, put out a statement and said
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: this is how ridiculous the whole thing is. For the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: sake of transparency, I confirm that I am the individual
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: who is alleged to have used racial language on one occasion.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: The allegation is that I did so sometime in twenty
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen in a social situation, and that the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: person I was speaking with did not believe that it
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: was intended in a malicious way. I have absolutely no
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: recollection of any of this, and I do not believe
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: it happened. So this is clearly the terms in which
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the BBC have put it to him, that this is
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: what you are alleged to have done. But no one
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: took offense at the time. But because you said it,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and we don't know what he said, but the BBC
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: says it was.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Some awful racist term. Pack your bags and go.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, honestly, if I'm going to be
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: hung up, hung drawn courted for everything I said in
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the newsroom eight years ago, I'm done for. I'll say here,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I'm absolutely done for. Like, you can't do this stuff
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: in retrospect.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: It's funny you should say that, Caleb, because I've actually
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: got some texts that you sent to Mark Latham.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: And they are very very very very spider.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: That's horrible. Well, and this is the irony, right.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: ABC is going after this presenter for someone no one
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: remembers and was offended by, but it was allegedly racist.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Their director of news is trying to justify and get
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: around the fact that they aired a documentary which starred
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: the son of a senior Hamas official and did not
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: disclose that to the viewers at the time. And now
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: the director of news has come out and said, you no,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: I know, it's really bad. He was linked to Harmas
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: or whatever, but don't worry. He was actually in the
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: government wing of Hamas, not the military wing, so it's
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: very different.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Check it out.
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: I think it's really important that we are clear that
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: Abdullah's father was a deputy Agriculture minister and therefore was
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: a member of the Hamas run government, which is different
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: between part of the military wing of Hamas.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Even when they have been so obviously and embarrassingly called
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: out for their biased and one sided reporting of the conflict,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: they still cannot own their mistake, and they're continually trying
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: to justify it. By the way, legally, there is no
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: differentiation between the government wing and the military wing of
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: mass They're all part of the one same genocidal, anti.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Jewish terrorist regime.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe they should care a bit more about the racism
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: of Hamas that they are inadvertently promoting, and less about
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: allegations from years ago.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just like, you know, it wasn't the Nazis
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: that committed the Holocaust. It's just their military wings. It
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: wasn't the bureaucrats. So it was just it is unbelievable,
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: isn't it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: It's just crazy. You used to get used to really
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: get me as well.
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: And I'm an Irish Catholic, but you used to really
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: get me when let's say shin Fai and you know
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: it was just a political.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Wing of the Iris.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: Oh that's all right then, so you're not actually planting
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: the bombs you're just supporting the people who at the bomb.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Oh cool, no worries, Jerry. You're a sweet bang up guy.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Isn't that nice?
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: But yeah, at least that BBC has got its priorities right,
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: because while they may be inadvertently a mouthpiece for terrorism,
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: they have at least sacked a cooking show presenter for
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: a comment he made seven years ago that he doesn't
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: remember making, that no one took offense to, and which
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: he already apologized for, even though he hadn't actually remembered
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: making the comment in the first place. So way to
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: get your priorities right, guys, that's terrific.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: It's where we are.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: It would see him in twenty twenty fives speaking where
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: we are.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: In tweters repregetting your priorities right.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It's no good down in Mount Gambia, my home state
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: of South Australia. Of course you'll be able to see
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: in a week's time Paul Murray there doing his our town.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder whether he might make a visit to the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Blue Blob.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And they've installed this sculpture cost one hundred and thirty
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: six thousand dollars, which is apparently meant to represent some
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: sort of extinct megafauna. And I remember we talked about
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: it on the show here when they first announced the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: council announced that they were going to put it in,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: but they have followed through one hundred and thirty six
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars of what over the hell that is?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Looks like?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: You know, mate, you would be a lot cheaper to stand.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: There with your shirt off than do it for a
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: cool one hundred k flag.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: You go perfect, I'll even join you in the fun.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But like, it's not art. I'm sorry, it's not art.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Who is looking at that thing and going yes, well,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: actually it is giving me strong feelings, so maybe you could.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But there, you know, strong strong feelings, strong feelings that
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: this is a great waste of rate payers money. Like,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: imagine what you could do with one hundred and thirty
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: six thousand dollars. You could create some genuinely beautiful art.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I am beyond thinking that this is just you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: modern art looks a bit ordinary. I think this stuff
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: is deliberate. Now, I think modern art is deliberately designed
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to sap you of your will to live because it's
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: so devoid of beauty.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: The same thing with architecture.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Now, it is designed to make you hate the world
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you live in because there is no other answer for.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The fact that they keep making such crap.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's kind of cute.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I kind of like it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I like it, like he's soft and he's round, and
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: he's nice and blue. At least he's not rainbow or
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: a trans flag like it could be worse, and he's
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: kind of cute. But the interesting thing about this piece
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: of art is, you know, they said they wanted to
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: start conversations. The one conversation it really should be starting
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: is it's supposed to be a representation of the megafauna
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: that used to roam Australia, these big marsupials, and this
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: megafauna when extinct around forty eight thousand years ago, around
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the time indigenous people arrived in Australia, and it's thought
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: that they may have had a role in causing them
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: extinction of Australian megafauna. So I feel like that's a
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: really interesting conversation to have. But the mega the one
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: the Council will be having.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: I mean, it would have been pretty easy to spot
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: in the wild. Oh anything to wait around here? Oh
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: what's that giant, big blue blob on the horizon? Let's
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: to correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't Mount Gambia have
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: a spectactically beautiful sinkhole and doesn't have that that's got
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: the volcanic the beautiful bright blue, notoriously blue, I believe,
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: vibrantly blue as you were if you will, Sapphire.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yes you will.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Volcanic lake, yes, yes it does, and they've decided to
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: build this.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: But the sculpture was done in the blue of the
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: volcanic lake.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: And apparently the mega the megafauna fossils were found in
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: some sinkhole around there.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: I think you guys are being.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: A bit mean jee, so very quickly before we get
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to a breaker, in case you've ever wanted to see it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: He's the new South Wales Premier, Chris Mins, pretending to
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: be vodka.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Do you want to give us a bit of your best, Bob,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: give me, give me a give me a context. I
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: want you to talk about talk about some food.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Steel coloats, steel colots.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Raw fish.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I don't like rulefish, but I'll have a degree of
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: raw fish, but I'll have steamed fish. No source. And
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: lots of interesting vegetables. Lots of interesting vegetables. The foremost
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: beautiful words in the English language. Are I told you so?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: It's a bit week, isn't it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Joker? Now, Chris, Chris, Chris.
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: You've got the gestures right, you've got the hand gestures right,
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: but you just don't have the tombre of the voice.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: You don't have those rich, mellow honeytones. You've got to project, Chris,
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: You've got to project and own the Parliament. And something
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: very important that Bob Carr taught me. Whenever he'd see someone,
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: he'd always say good to see you, And that way
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: you never had to figure out whether he'd met that
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: person before, because the same form of words, in that
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: crisp staccato style, Chris, those served both purposes equally.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: There you go. I think Jo did a much bit
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: of joll. Christ means break.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: We'll get into the papers down in South Australia. We're
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: talking about his sages. Then they're suffering a terrible algal bloom.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: It's killing all the sea life, that's killing the reefs
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: of Centill.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Tell you more about that appens. Welcome back.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Let's get stuck in tomorrow's papers, starting with the Australian.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Let's kick it off. The headline is alarm at Port purchases.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Companies controlled by the family of a Shanghai businessman with
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: connections to the Chinese Communist Party's foreign influence arm have
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: purchased two commercial properties located within port precincts earmarked for
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Orchist submarine bases.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Oh No.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: As Beijing ramps up pressure on Canberra to stop the
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Port of Darwin from being prized from Chinese hands, the
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Australian can reveal that Chinese businessmen and Wang yong Jin,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: the president of Shanghai's jing Jiang Commerce Chamber of Commerce,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: is tied to property deals at the Kambler and Newcastle Ports.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Who would have thought that China would try buying up
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: property around orchid spaces. This is what they've done in
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: the US, buying farmland around US army bases. It's a
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: known strategy. So I wonder if Alminezi will raise that
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: when he's in China.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Ah, it's nothing to worry about it, fine, it happens
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: But yeah, but they are getting they we are buying
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: the port back from the Chinese.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: We're doing the right things, standing up for Australia's interests.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that may will be the case, but that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: was he rushed to talk to ABC Darwin because he
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: got wind of the fact that Darton was going to
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: announce that policy, right and he picks up the phone
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: and that interview if you listen, Bakes, I mean, we
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: haven't got to hear with us, But if you listen
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: back to that interview where Albias he says we're going
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to buy back the portum down, he literally has no
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: idea what he's talking about.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: No, that's absolutely he doesn't know exactly what he's talking
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: talking about, pulling the rug from underneath the opposition exactly.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: He had no idea what he was doing there. It
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: was all political stunt right move exactly.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: But also in the Australian tomorrow, some unfortunate further allegations
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: of childcare abuse.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: The headline is childcare worker on abuse chargers.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: The arrest of a fourth alleged childcare pedophile has rocked
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: the childcare sector after a male educator was charged on
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Thursday with indecent treatment of a four year old in Brisbane.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Shocked parents were left in the dark about the latest allegations,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: described by Queensland Premier David Chris O Fooley as horrific
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: and sickening.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: The twenty one year.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Old educator who has since been sacked from the Milestones
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Tinglapa Early Learning Center, held a blue card clearing him
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to work with children.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Very I just can't believe it, can you?
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Looking at it's pretty clear that there are massive deficiencies
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: in the system. Finally, some of this stuff is being
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: washed out, which is good. But the real problem is
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that they were there in the first Yeah, yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, to the Daily Telegraph.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: Now, and what is without a doubt, and I'm not
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: a man prior to exaggeration, but this is the greatest
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: yarn in the universe since the dawn of time.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Mate, I believe in the United States this is what
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: they're talking about.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: That's right, this is the Mark Latham sex scandal. It's
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: just got absolutely everything. It now turns out that Mark
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Latham failed to declare the twenty thousand dollar loans, including
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: one that was described as a gift, on his Parliamentary
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: register RAO. And so there we have the magnificent splash head.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: I'm so lonely get it. That's great, We'll tell you
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Latham fails to declare cash gifts quote unquote. James Willis,
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: who is an absolute gun, says Latham has not disclosed
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: tens of thousands of dollars in loans given to him
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: by then girlfriend.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: They're broken up.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: Apparently Natalie Matthew is on his parliamentary register, including a
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: twenty thousand dollars gift. I'll tell you what, I'm a
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: married man, but if my girlfriend gave me twenty thousand
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: dollars gifts, I'd be telling everybody.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, well you may not, though, if there was sort
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of an understanding that you might give it back.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: She was expecting something.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: And this is.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I suppose lower level on the end of things. You
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily accuse someone Latham or any other politician of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: sort of being influenced by a twenty thousand dollars gift
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: from the then girlfriend. I mean, you would kind of
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: expect that they're kind of on the same page with
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: their girlfriend, but it's this kind of basic Well maybe
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: not later when they're your ex girlfriend, but it's this
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: kind of basic stuff that so often does trip up
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Polly if you can't get on top of the basic
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: stuff like this.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this whole the biggest problem right now.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think I don't.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Think the whole story has been horrendously embarrassing for labor them,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: and I don't know how he's ever going to recover
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: from this, to be honest. So yeah, but I feel
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: like there's still a bit more to run on this. Well,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: we'll keep bringing you later.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I suspect it will depend on how the court case goes,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: because of course his ex girlfriend, Natalie Matthews is pursuing
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: him for a domestic violence order through the court, and
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: so I imagine there'll be more stuff to come out
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: in court, which will dictate where a lot of this goes.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: But I think, I mean, he's seemingly what he's doing
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: at the moment, he's just riding it out and saying, well, look,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: according to him, a lot of what went on here
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: was consensual. It maybe an orthodox for a lot of people,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: but it was consensual, So take it or leave it.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: So we'll see how that plays out in court when
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: other things come up. I suppose on the front of
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the advertiser tomorrow it's his ocean horror. See sick our
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Coast is a scene of total devastation, with colorful playgrounds
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: for sea life reduced to dark, dead ruins by the toxic.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Algae bloom I believe.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Now, finally this has been going on for months now
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: down in South Australia. Finally the federal government has sent
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: someone down to have a look and help out the
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: state government with things, apparently, but you cannot overstate just
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: how bad this is.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: You've got marine life washing.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Up dead on beaches in Adelaide and across the state.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: It's killing the underground marine life, the roofs, etc. The Korong,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: which is one of the most naturally beautiful parts of
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: South Australia, is almost entirely dead. Now they're worried that
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the last remaining bits of it living are going to
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: be sacrificed.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: The fisheries are in serious trouble. It's now moved into.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: The Port River, which is a dolphin sanctuaries, so now
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: they're worried about what's going to happen to all the dolphins.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: This is a serious disaster in South Australia, and as
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: far as I'm aware, government has done ditty squad about it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: If this was New South Wales or Victoria or maybe
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: they'd be all over it in a flash, but it's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: been ignored because it's it's South Australia.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I think that's a disgrace. By the way, read my
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: column in the Advertiser tomorrow. Oh and also in the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph, Joe, fantastic newspaper.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: It's horrendous and you are right because it's in sound
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Australia to receive barely any news coverage, which is really sad.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: But something else that's not receiving much news coverage because
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: it's all because it's boring rather than ignored, is the
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Tasmanian election, which is happening this weekend. So the headline
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: is back to the future, Tasmania headed for the all
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: two familiar results. The Liberal Party is on track to
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: win the most seeds, but Tasmanian voters look set to
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: deliver neither majority party a majority in tomorrow's election, aka
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: they'll have another minority government. According to the latest polling figures,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: polland conducted by E mrs on behalf of the Liberal
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: parties shows the twenty twenty five election likely returning of
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: parliament similar to the one voted in just fourteen months ago.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: This whole election has been one grand exercise in wasting
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: everybody's money and time that they do not have, given
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: we've just had a federal election and for them to
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: deliver the exact same result.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: What a waste of resource.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: I think you have to sort of say, is the
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: Tasmanian electoral system actually broken because.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: They've got this really weird.
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: It's the system and it's where you elect a whole
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: bunch of MPs from each electorate and it just produces
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: these really messy results. Both parties are refused to work
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: with the Greens, which seems like is going to be
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: the only way to break the deadlock because it doesn't
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: look like the Libs can get because the independence they
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: were doing deals with keep im panditing them, so it
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: doesn't look like they're going to be able to get
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: the numbers that way, which is why they had to
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: go back to the election, which the governor didn't even
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: want to know grant them, the governor saying, can't you
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: got figure out another way so we don't have to
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: do this.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It's just that the Labor Party will be punished for this.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: But see, I have to say that going to.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: Like every journey, every worst nightmare, which is a result
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: in which the exact same thing happens.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: They have just done an absolute banger of a front.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: After the break, how about cutting your toenails in the park.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Jeez, I can't believe that someone would even do it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: But if you're a celebrity, would you want to bar
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that after this?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Now, imagine you're just playing in an average indoor cricket
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: competition down in Melbourne. You've rocked up for a game
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: of cricket with the boys. You think it's going to
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: be nothing out of the ordinary, and then who turns
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: up but lass It Malinger. Yes, one of the greatest
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: limited overs fast bowlers of all time, the Sri Lankan
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: they called him Slinger Malinger back in the day, rocks
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: up and starts bowling steamers as a fill in for
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: an indoor cricket team in Melbourne. I can't imagine the
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: trepidation that you would feel with like one of the
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: greatest fast bowlers ever steaming towards you in an indoor
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: cricket center. I reckon I'd need a new pair of
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: underpants out especially you're not expecting this dude to rock up.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: It's like he's one of the greatest rill crickets of
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: all time.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Look, I don't know much about cricket, but I want
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: that guy on my team. Why is he only the
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: fillating only a permanent message.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I was let himself go that bloke's smacking him all
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: over the face.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Well, funnily enough, he's Team one hundred and five to
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: seventy eight the what do you know.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Well, two celebrities, Alison Brie and Dave Franco, they start
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: together in a movie called Together, and they've taken this
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: whole concept of togetherness a little too far. They've been
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: caught on camera with Allison clipping Dave and COO's toenails
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: in a public park. They're sitting on this picnic blanket
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: in a park in Los Angeles. She's just casually giving
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: him the older clip clip and then discarding the toenails
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: on the ground.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, I thought I'd seen it all.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I thought public parks lots of interesting things happen, but
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: that is just disgusting.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I too, thought i'd seen it all. Freyer.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: And then when I was at when I just started
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: in journalism, there was an editorial assistant in the newsroom
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: at AAP and the Sydney Bureau, and she served her time,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: served with great honor and skill and dedication, had all
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: the farewell part of fellow drinks and everything. She took
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: all her stuff, and once she was gone, never to
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: be seen again, we discovered under her desk a giant
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: pile of tona Yes, And the whole time, you know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: she was answering the phone or doing whatever whatever, She's
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: clipping her tone and it was just accumulating.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with it? It's funny. Actually there was
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: this story.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I never witnessed it myself, but a former colleague and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: a newsroommate used to work in allegedly used to blow
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: his nose in the tea towel in the kitchen at work,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: So you know, I think the second slipped it on
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: a love.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It anyway, Thank you for joining us this week. Coming
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: up piece the reader pan of the show good Night,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Don't Blow Your Notes