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Mac & Bone Show - David Glenn Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: He is David Glenn. Check out the North Carolina Sportsnet,
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube channel. It's great North Carolina sports content. And
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  Speaker 1: DG joins us here on the Mac and Bone Show. DG,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening, man? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Always fun to be with y'all.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think of the— I mean, I guess I
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  Speaker 1: know you didn't think much of it, but the Clemson
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  Speaker 1: beatdown at the hands of LSU— How shocked were you
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  Speaker 1: by that? And like, how worried should Clemson fans be
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  Speaker 1: that this season could be a brutal one? What do
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  Speaker 1: you think? Or a rough one? What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. My answer to that is kind of like last
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  Speaker 2: week when NC state lost at Virginia, I wasn't surprised
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  Speaker 2: that the Wolfpack lost. I was surprised that just the
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  Speaker 2: gory details of how badly the Wolfpack lost and same
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  Speaker 2: thing with Clemson. I didn't think they would win that game,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't think they'd lose by a hundred touchdowns either.
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  Speaker 2: And one thing it reflects to me guys, and I
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  Speaker 2: remember asking Dabo Sweeney about this years ago when the
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  Speaker 2: transfer portal exploded, he's somebody that I like and respect
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  Speaker 2: and admire in many ways. But I said, coach, what
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  Speaker 2: is it with you in the transfer portal? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: why are you not leaning in? And he had his
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  Speaker 2: answers back then when he didn't take any transfers, he
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  Speaker 2: takes some now and But I just think Clemson invited
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  Speaker 2: disaster by not playing by the same rules that basically
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  Speaker 2: everybody they're trying to beat is playing by tech. Virginia
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  Speaker 2: has like an app offensive line that averages about 24
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  Speaker 2: years old. Why? Because most of them are transfers and
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  Speaker 2: most of them are in their fifth, sixth and seventh
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  Speaker 2: year of college. Dabo doesn't want to play that game.
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  Speaker 2: He has his reasons, but I think it's come back
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  Speaker 2: to haunt him on the field.
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  Speaker 3: DG, do you think we're starting to, I know I
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  Speaker 3: saw a tweet the other day that said it's not
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  Speaker 3: the beginning of the end of Dabo, it's the middle
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  Speaker 3: of it now more than the beginning. Are you sensing
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  Speaker 3: that the end might be near for Dabo based off
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  Speaker 3: where the program is, but also just from his point
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  Speaker 3: of view that this is a sport that maybe he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't love right now?
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  Speaker 2: It could happen. I mean, Dave Clawson of wake forest
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  Speaker 2: or Tony Bennett on the basketball side at UVA, those
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  Speaker 2: were really good coaches who decided to step away at
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  Speaker 2: least in part at relatively young ages, because they were
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  Speaker 2: tired of the circus sideshow and agents and NIL money
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  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Dabo could come to that conclusion.
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  Speaker 2: I would say bone that the Clemson administration has a
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  Speaker 2: much more favorable view of Dabo Sweeney than sometimes the
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  Speaker 2: fan base does. And it's that administration level that makes
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  Speaker 2: these dismissal decisions. And Dabo's the guy who's brought Clemson
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  Speaker 2: not only two national championships, they were both, what, a
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  Speaker 2: decade or less ago. And he's won, what, nine ACC
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  Speaker 2: football championships in his 18 years there, including just a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago. So- I know they're not used
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  Speaker 2: to seeing seven wins like last year or being on
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  Speaker 2: the wrong end of that ugly score as they were
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  Speaker 2: this weekend. But I think that the administration would let
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  Speaker 2: the season play out. The administration would ask Dabo, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what is his view of the future? Is he willing
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  Speaker 2: to lean into the portal even more than he has lately?
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  Speaker 2: What is his big-picture view of how to run Clemson,
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  Speaker 2: and does that match what those administrators want to see?
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  Speaker 2: I think that conversation is for December, and between now
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  Speaker 2: and then, Dabo has to come up with a much
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  Speaker 2: more competitive team than he showed this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: My comparison, David, has been Jay Wright for Dabo, two
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  Speaker 3: guys that were winning titles right around the same time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of examples of that. There are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of examples of that. On an unrelated note, Luke
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  Speaker 3: Fickle looks like Jay Wright to me. I kept thinking
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  Speaker 3: that all night last night.
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  Speaker 1: Watching that game all right anyway no thanks for letting
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  Speaker 1: us know no one cares that doesn't apply to this
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  Speaker 1: conversation david.
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  Speaker 3: Glenn really cares he's thinking about that all.
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  Speaker 1: Day david glenn you can't get that 12 seconds back
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  Speaker 1: of that of that comment and and the reaction all
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  Speaker 1: right let's talk about this unc situation and the investigation
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  Speaker 1: that's going on there they got lawyers involved investigating now
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  Speaker 1: and now it's the entire football program lombardi's resigned He
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  Speaker 1: resigned very shortly before WRL came out with all the
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  Speaker 1: details of the investigation. And there's some ugly stuff in there.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. What do you think? Like,
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  Speaker 1: is this something that could lead to the end of
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  Speaker 1: the Belichick era? And the timing of this is terrible
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  Speaker 1: because of the win. They finally had some momentum on
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  Speaker 1: the field for like the first time. What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a scary situation. It's too early to tell
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  Speaker 2: whether it's going to catch up to Bill Belichick, right? Because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Mike Lombardi had the human resources allegations against him.
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  Speaker 2: And there were questions about whether he was violating NCAA rules.
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  Speaker 2: I know everybody jokes that everything is legal now, but
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  Speaker 2: there are still rules you have to follow, even with
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  Speaker 2: name image like this money and revenue sharing money. So
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  Speaker 2: those investigations are more tied to Lombardi, who, as you said,
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  Speaker 2: has already resigned. The drug-related allegations are surrounding Steve Belichick,
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  Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator who's still on medical leave. And you
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  Speaker 2: guys know how this stuff works. It's one thing if
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  Speaker 2: a head coach is, is accused of just failing to
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  Speaker 2: monitor his staff, right? That can get you fired. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: but it has to be pretty severe. It's another thing.
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  Speaker 2: If a coach has, has been participating in wrongdoing or
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  Speaker 2: knew about it and covered up and stuff along those lines.
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  Speaker 2: So I use the analogy that it was about five
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  Speaker 2: years ago that Tennessee would have owed the football coach,
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy Pruitt, $ 12 million to if they fired him just
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  Speaker 2: for losing too many football games. But when they fired him,
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  Speaker 2: they said they were firing him for NCAA rules violations
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  Speaker 2: and not monitoring his staff very well. And guess what?
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  Speaker 2: They never paid the guy a dollar out of the
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  Speaker 2: 12 million.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because when you can attach the wrongdoing to your head coach,
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  Speaker 2: that gives you an excuse to fire him for free.
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  Speaker 2: And Pruitt threatened a lawsuit and he lost that lawsuit
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  Speaker 2: and he never got a penny. So is Carolina, are
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  Speaker 2: these investigations, which are not over yet, right? They're still investigating.
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  Speaker 2: If in the longer haul, the Tar Heels have a
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  Speaker 2: second straight losing season and these investigations somehow tie Bill
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  Speaker 2: Belichick to the bad stuff. Well, that's when... Instead of
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  Speaker 2: having to pay him $ 10 million or so come January
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  Speaker 2: to fire him, that's when they, you know, who knows,
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  Speaker 2: there could be a legal showdown where the Tar Heels
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  Speaker 2: try to get off the hook for that big contract
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  Speaker 2: without paying Bill Belichick a dime to go away.
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  Speaker 3: Seems like we have similar questions going on in different ways.
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  Speaker 3: It was Dabo, it's Belichick. DG, what do you think
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  Speaker 3: about the future of Dave Doran at State? Would they
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  Speaker 3: ever move off of him? Because he's been good, but
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  Speaker 3: as they try to get to that next great level,
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  Speaker 3: it feels like they're kind of stuck in the same area.
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  Speaker 3: Do you ever see, or within the near future, the
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  Speaker 3: pack moving on from Dave Doran?
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  Speaker 2: I think you got to let this season play out
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  Speaker 2: because as bad as the Wolfpack looked against UVA, they
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  Speaker 2: still have a very manageable schedule this year. So if
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  Speaker 2: somehow let's say Dave Doran goes eight and four and
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  Speaker 2: who knows, maybe wins his bowl game. They're not going
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  Speaker 2: to fire a nine win coach.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that conversation, man, I live it and
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  Speaker 2: breathe it here in Raleigh all the time. Right. Well,
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  Speaker 2: fact nation likes winning eight and nine games, but they're
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  Speaker 2: tired of winning eight and nine games. Heck Dave Doran
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  Speaker 2: himself told us in the media that he's tired of
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  Speaker 2: just having good seasons and wants to play there in
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  Speaker 2: your backyard and that ACC championship game. That's CJ Bailey
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  Speaker 2: said the goal this year was to make the college
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  Speaker 2: football playoff. The Wolfpack quarterback said that to me and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure others, and then do some damage in the
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  Speaker 2: college football playoff. And then they lay that egg at
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  Speaker 2: UVA 34 to eight was embarrassing. But if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the pack schedule, all there's in Louisville, there's not
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  Speaker 2: a team to be afraid of on that entire remaining
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  Speaker 2: 11 games in Louisville has to go to rally. So
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  Speaker 2: That would be bone, a very contentious conversation come December.
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  Speaker 2: If let's say the Wolfpack goes five and seven or
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  Speaker 2: six and six. But I think if he has another
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  Speaker 2: good season, it's going to be more of the noise
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  Speaker 2: in the fan base and not as much the people
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  Speaker 2: who actually make those decisions, you know, university presidents and
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  Speaker 2: athletic directors.
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  Speaker 1: Both Duke and Wake Forest had pretty good starts to
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  Speaker 1: the season in different ways, but pretty good starts to
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  Speaker 1: the season. I see those teams in a similar area
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  Speaker 1: of the ACC this year, I feel like. Do you
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  Speaker 1: feel like one team is better than the other? If
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  Speaker 1: you had to guess, who would you go with?
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  Speaker 2: Great question. I think I'd lean toward Wake Forest. In
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  Speaker 2: today's day and age, guys, there are examples of teams
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  Speaker 2: that have zero or one starter on a certain side
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  Speaker 2: of the ball from the previous year just because of
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  Speaker 2: early NFL exits and the transfer portal, etc., Wake Forest
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  Speaker 2: has eight returning starters from a defense that was really
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  Speaker 2: good last year as Jake Dickert won nine games. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought last year they were kind of mediocre offensively.
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  Speaker 2: Gio Lopez, the UNC transfer, is now reunited with the
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  Speaker 2: same guy that he was with at South Alabama two
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  Speaker 2: years ago. And he's playing like the old Gio Lopez,
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  Speaker 2: which put up 38 points against Atlanta. Akron last Thursday night.
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  Speaker 2: Duke is good again. By the way, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: either Duke or awake is going to win nine games again,
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  Speaker 2: the way they both did last year. Duke's good again,
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  Speaker 2: but they've gone from maybe having the best quarterback in
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  Speaker 2: the ACC Darian Mensah. Who's now with the Miami hurricanes,
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  Speaker 2: of course, to just not a very good debut for
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  Speaker 2: a guy named Walker. He get a San Jose state transfer.
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  Speaker 2: They really struggled offensively in the passing game against Tulane
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  Speaker 2: and And that's a massive, massive drop off at QB
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  Speaker 2: from a year ago. They're really well coached Duke as
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  Speaker 2: his wake. I think they're both good this year, but
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  Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if either one won nine games again.
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  Speaker 3: Also, Nate Shepard's on pace for one million carries this year,
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  Speaker 3: which may not be sustainable, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Steve is incredible.
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  Speaker 1: He is.
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  Speaker 3: Not on the Doug Walker list, which I will repeat
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  Speaker 3: every week on the 3DO show.
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  Speaker 1: You're personally offended, and you should be. Honestly, you should be.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go talk to Doug Walker myself there, DJ.
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  Speaker 3: All right? Help me out here.
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  Speaker 1: He is David Glenn, the North Carolina Sports Network. Check
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  Speaker 1: it out on YouTube. And check him out on Twitter
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  Speaker 1: at David Glenn Show on Twitter. Thank you, brother. We
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  Speaker 1: always appreciate it, man. This was a holiday morning appearance
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  Speaker 1: by you.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: We know most people rather be sleeping than talking to
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  Speaker 1: us on Labor Day morning. Appreciate you, brother. Be good, man.
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  Speaker 2: I expect you guys just grinding and grinding for years
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  Speaker 2: and years. It's always fun to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Keep up the good work.