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- 0:00Speaker 1: I'm Little Duval and this is Conversations with the podcast.
- 0:03Speaker 1: Today's guest is a West Coast rapper and founder of
- 0:06Speaker 1: Good Company, an organization that helps promote the rising Bay
- 0:09Speaker 1: Area artists. Let's welcome my Guyl Russell. What's up, It's
- 0:13Speaker 1: alive and direct, Its your boy, little duke, all your
- 0:16Speaker 1: country cousin, you know, vibe in DC, y'all back head
- 0:18Speaker 1: with all you know.
- 0:19Speaker 2: We got a special guests, just like every time we
- 0:21Speaker 2: own this bitch.
- 0:22Speaker 1: But this nigga here, just like one of the young, young,
- 0:26Speaker 1: young o g mined niggas that I fucked with from
- 0:30Speaker 1: a distance, I never got a chance to God damn
- 0:33Speaker 1: get to get to meet. Now I finally get to
- 0:35Speaker 1: meet him on this ship. So let me introduce you
- 0:37Speaker 1: all to my man, the Russell. What's up, nigga?
- 0:39Speaker 3: Come on, man, gratitude. That was a great intro nigga,
- 0:42Speaker 3: as you were saying. And I'm like, I wish my
- 0:44Speaker 3: mama did this interview with me. I should have went house.
- 0:50Speaker 1: For real, nigga.
- 0:52Speaker 3: How is man would have been excited?
- 0:54Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine, twenty nine, Hey man, Ben, Me and
- 0:59Speaker 1: Charla made talk about you all the time, man, cause
- 1:01Speaker 1: like like some some young motherfuckers, I be like, like,
- 1:05Speaker 1: I see it. I'd be like, all right, they might
- 1:07Speaker 1: need a little healthy certain shit, but with you, I'm like, man,
- 1:10Speaker 1: he got it. You know what I'm saying. Like it's
- 1:14Speaker 1: like I ain't talking about as far as you you
- 1:16Speaker 1: already made it, but I'm saying, like the mindset and
- 1:19Speaker 1: the understanding, right, you already got the understanding of everything.
- 1:23Speaker 1: So it's like even when it's doing even when they
- 1:25Speaker 1: was like, hey man, let's get him on the shops,
- 1:27Speaker 1: like he don't really need much from me but maybe
- 1:30Speaker 1: a life ship. But as far as understanding the game,
- 1:33Speaker 1: you got it, nigga. Or you know what's dope about that.
- 1:36Speaker 3: I'm finally out of age now where I see certain
- 1:39Speaker 3: young niggas and I'm either like he got it or
- 1:42Speaker 3: I'm like, m nigga, get using that. You feel me?
- 1:45Speaker 3: So that that's how it is for real.
- 1:49Speaker 1: It's it's for real because like it's like certain kids,
- 1:52Speaker 1: like when you have kids, I don't know if you
- 1:54Speaker 1: got it or not, but when you have kids, you'll
- 1:56Speaker 1: start looking at some kids you'd be like, oh nah,
- 1:58Speaker 1: I ain't got worried about him. He gonna be all right,
- 2:00Speaker 1: but then you see that one year he'd be like, nah, man,
- 2:03Speaker 1: I gotta got there, get his bail money ready because
- 2:05Speaker 1: he gonna be wid. You see what I'm saying. So,
- 2:08Speaker 1: but some people you just ain't gotta you ain't gotta
- 2:11Speaker 1: worry about. Some with you, we just be like, man,
- 2:13Speaker 1: this nigga, this nigga here, good man for so tell
- 2:15Speaker 1: him about you man for the people. For my heart
- 2:17Speaker 1: is that don't know you know, cause you know I'm
- 2:19Speaker 1: I'm a old hend you know what I'm saying, which
- 2:21Speaker 1: I like being. You know what I'm saying, But introduce
- 2:23Speaker 1: yourself and love know a little about you, Mike. For
- 2:26Speaker 1: those that don't know.
- 2:28Speaker 3: First of all, I run a collective called good Company.
- 2:33Speaker 3: I wrap. I hate having to say all these things.
- 2:39Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, man, because you're like, oh God,
- 2:41Speaker 1: like it's hard to I ain't. When people ask me
- 2:43Speaker 1: so what you did, man, I'm like, I don't know, man.
- 2:46Speaker 3: Right, A lot of ship, a lot of shit. You
- 2:48Speaker 3: know a lot of things, and I do a lot
- 2:50Speaker 3: of ship. That's the best.
- 2:51Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
- 2:54Speaker 1: So because it seems like you gotta understand, Like I said,
- 2:58Speaker 1: when did you figure out, Like, all right, I got it.
- 3:00Speaker 1: I think I understand how to I ain't said you
- 3:04Speaker 1: got the you know the game, but you got understanding
- 3:07Speaker 1: enough to understand how to move after situation you at now.
- 3:11Speaker 3: It's really came in increments throughout like every time. Every
- 3:17Speaker 3: time early I thought I had it, I learned some
- 3:20Speaker 3: shit late and be like Nigga, I don't know what
- 3:22Speaker 3: the fuck I was talking about. You feel me? So
- 3:24Speaker 3: it's really is a growing thing. I've had more. I
- 3:27Speaker 3: have a moment every day where I feel that. But
- 3:30Speaker 3: I feel like the insurgence was like I started working
- 3:37Speaker 3: for like ups after I graduated high school.
- 3:42Speaker 2: You know that's a good job.
- 3:43Speaker 3: Nigga's drive uper throughout the winner for the season. It
- 3:48Speaker 3: was like it was a bulldob though Nigga was you know,
- 3:50Speaker 3: but I learned a lot from that job. I learned
- 3:54Speaker 3: how different my capacity and work ethic was like Nigga.
- 3:59Speaker 3: I used to grab packages and run to the houses
- 4:02Speaker 3: and drop them bitches off and truck I used to
- 4:06Speaker 3: go in the back and it was just a lot
- 4:09Speaker 3: of ship that I was doing that was improving the workflow.
- 4:12Speaker 3: That I was noticing early was.
- 4:13Speaker 1: Your rapping at that time too. I was rapping. Wasn't
- 4:16Speaker 1: even the thing that I was.
- 4:17Speaker 3: I was like rapping subsequently, like not not trying to
- 4:25Speaker 3: make it just just as a hobby.
- 4:27Speaker 1: And that's as as a hobby. Yeah, like this hobby
- 4:31Speaker 1: for hobby. This I feel Lego. These all my little
- 4:33Speaker 1: legos I be building and ship.
- 4:35Speaker 3: Oh down, nigga do ball leg man my one of
- 4:40Speaker 3: my best friends. He got we got some Lego figures
- 4:43Speaker 3: around the crib.
- 4:44Speaker 1: Oh, nigga, don't make me shure. I got added to
- 4:46Speaker 1: whatever I bet y'all got it.
- 4:52Speaker 3: Hilarious.
- 4:53Speaker 1: I got all this ship man. I love this ship man.
- 4:56Speaker 1: But yeah, finish, finish, finish what you were saying at
- 4:58Speaker 1: my fault, I'm hot to.
- 5:00Speaker 3: So that's perfect. That's a perfect combination, nigga combination. Nah.
- 5:07Speaker 3: But when I was doing that ship, every driver that
- 5:11Speaker 3: I had worked with took a liking to me, and
- 5:14Speaker 3: they was like, I'm gonna hit you when I do
- 5:16Speaker 3: my route, when I when I'm make sure they give
- 5:18Speaker 3: me you you feel me. So I started noticing that
- 5:20Speaker 3: ship early and as I thank throughout my journey doing jobs,
- 5:25Speaker 3: whatever position I came in asked was never what I
- 5:28Speaker 3: left ass and it was happening fast. So I just
- 5:31Speaker 3: I just knew, like the work, I knew, I understood
- 5:34Speaker 3: that part of my journey. Then you feel you understood.
- 5:38Speaker 1: That you had a personality that people was drawing to.
- 5:43Speaker 3: You know what's crazy. I didn't even think it was
- 5:45Speaker 3: my personality. Then I thought it was the fact I
- 5:48Speaker 3: was working hard, But.
- 5:49Speaker 1: It was reality.
- 5:54Speaker 3: That's all funny, that could have been it.
- 5:57Speaker 1: That's all it is with you. That's why people like
- 6:00Speaker 1: like in general like while people like me. I mean,
- 6:03Speaker 1: the talent is is a is a bonus, but it's
- 6:06Speaker 1: they see theyself in you. Are they are they see
- 6:09Speaker 1: a family member in you. You know what I'm saying.
- 6:11Speaker 1: It's like that's what they see it. That's what draw
- 6:13Speaker 1: up to you. Don't ever get it over. That's what,
- 6:16Speaker 1: especially in this day and age, would enforce and everything. Nigga.
- 6:20Speaker 1: That's what it is, Nigga. It's the and it's genuine.
- 6:24Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Because a lot of shit
- 6:25Speaker 1: you can see through it or why I can, like,
- 6:28Speaker 1: you can fool a lot of motherfuckers because a lot
- 6:30Speaker 1: it's a mat the mother for us good at being good,
- 6:33Speaker 1: being a good fake guy you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
- 6:38Speaker 1: but some people you can just see right through. You
- 6:40Speaker 1: can see like it's them. And and don't get it twisted.
- 6:44Speaker 1: It's still a character because you have to be a
- 6:46Speaker 1: character for entertained wise, but you can see it as
- 6:49Speaker 1: a character of who you are in general. You get
- 6:52Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and that's what and that's what's and
- 6:54Speaker 1: that's what's genuine in your and your lyrics and your personality.
- 6:59Speaker 2: And your prayer and in your social media and everything.
- 7:02Speaker 2: That's why you wearing nigga.
- 7:04Speaker 3: Come on. The nigga gave you the word.
- 7:07Speaker 4: Come on, hey man, that's the weed talking here. That's
- 7:11Speaker 4: the talk fact fact. I love it. Gratitude man, I
- 7:16Speaker 4: appreciate that. So I heard you was going on it.
- 7:19Speaker 4: They was telling me because yesterday was supposed to do it,
- 7:21Speaker 4: but you had to do something. E was telling me.
- 7:22Speaker 2: All you're going on a retreat or some ship.
- 7:25Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yep, going on man. So it's this Indian
- 7:33Speaker 3: mystic name sad Guru who was one of my favorite
- 7:38Speaker 3: just a favorite human of mine. But he teaches like
- 7:41Speaker 3: you go on YouTube and he just teach you about life.
- 7:43Speaker 2: Ship.
- 7:44Speaker 3: But like Nigga, just ask him questions and he just
- 7:48Speaker 3: give you an answer. Right. He wrote a couple of
- 7:51Speaker 3: books here, author and shit. So I just been reading
- 7:54Speaker 3: his Ship and watching Ship for like the past few years,
- 8:00Speaker 3: and randomly they reached out to me and was like,
- 8:03Speaker 3: we're doing a private retreat and we want to welcome
- 8:06Speaker 3: you to it and invite you. And it was just like,
- 8:09Speaker 3: what the fuck.
- 8:11Speaker 2: That's dope, man, that's dope that you're doing it at
- 8:13Speaker 2: that heze too.
- 8:14Speaker 1: Man, you feel like your little son like like I said,
- 8:17Speaker 1: I ain't no kid to any but you feel like
- 8:19Speaker 1: my lither nephew like, and this nigga doing everything right
- 8:22Speaker 1: nigga like.
- 8:24Speaker 3: You do.
- 8:25Speaker 1: And you doing it at the right time too, you
- 8:27Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it's that's when he's supposed
- 8:30Speaker 1: to be doing at that journey, at your age, at
- 8:32Speaker 1: the you turn the twenty, that going into your thirties.
- 8:35Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So you have full understanding.
- 8:38Speaker 1: And you gonna be all right, nigga, come on, So Ship,
- 8:41Speaker 1: Like I said, this this show too is bout like
- 8:43Speaker 1: you ask any kind of question. You asked me anything
- 8:46Speaker 1: about life, anything you anything, and if you if the
- 8:50Speaker 1: answer too deep or too crazy that you don't want
- 8:53Speaker 1: to answer, Well, we can cut this shit out because
- 8:55Speaker 1: it's this ship is my ship. I don't give a
- 8:57Speaker 1: fuck like I don't have to. I'm not the clickbake
- 8:59Speaker 1: nigga do this ship. I give a fuck.
- 9:02Speaker 3: Okay, here I got, I got my first unk question
- 9:05Speaker 3: all because you have you have this cast, but you
- 9:09Speaker 3: get to you get to smoke weed and talk your
- 9:11Speaker 3: ship in the in the form that you do. So
- 9:13Speaker 3: how did that? How does that deal look for you?
- 9:16Speaker 3: And what did you negotiate.
- 9:19Speaker 1: With this one right here?
- 9:22Speaker 3: With with this right here, right this one?
- 9:25Speaker 1: Well, honestly, honestly, this still was because I really never
- 9:29Speaker 1: want I'm I really never want to do a podcast, honestly.
- 9:33Speaker 1: Only reason I did this because my man, he my
- 9:36Speaker 1: mad Clay, this is like my my, my, my manager,
- 9:40Speaker 1: like my older brother and everything. He was everything to me,
- 9:44Speaker 1: and he kept forcing my hand to do it because
- 9:47Speaker 1: everybody want me to get in the podcast.
- 9:49Speaker 2: And I ain't even never want to do this ship
- 9:50Speaker 2: because I'm wonder the people.
- 9:52Speaker 1: If I see everybody doing it, I don't want to
- 9:54Speaker 1: do it, you know what I'm saying. And then then
- 9:57Speaker 1: once I see how it skinning, how they the game winners.
- 10:01Speaker 1: Like all right, I ain't, but everybody keep telling me
- 10:03Speaker 1: to do it. So he was who made one told
- 10:05Speaker 1: me to do it. Then he died. He just died,
- 10:08Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So I'm really doing it
- 10:11Speaker 1: for him, to be honest with you. So really the deal,
- 10:15Speaker 1: the deal was really all for this nigga, you know
- 10:17Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like he got he got the money,
- 10:21Speaker 1: he got half the money and died.
- 10:27Speaker 3: Contract that'swell to God.
- 10:30Speaker 1: And I did it with black effect because they are
- 10:32Speaker 1: really my family, like with Dolly and Charlemagne. So it's
- 10:36Speaker 1: really like a family thing. I do it for because
- 10:38Speaker 1: like honestly, I wouldn't even doing this shit if it
- 10:40Speaker 1: wasn't for them, honestly, because I post that this this
- 10:44Speaker 1: this this show, this ship was three four years old.
- 10:49Speaker 1: I suposta have been there this shit. I just ain't
- 10:52Speaker 1: did it. But they so cool, They so cool with me,
- 10:55Speaker 1: because like this is real like family, family, and that's
- 10:57Speaker 1: a good thing because like for for people to be
- 11:00Speaker 1: in power to have family and you could do what
- 11:03Speaker 1: you want to do, like cause I was fucked up
- 11:05Speaker 1: when I got hit by console.
- 11:06Speaker 2: I was out for like a year.
- 11:07Speaker 1: So they could have took the money back and everything,
- 11:10Speaker 1: but I said, fuck, but they didn't trimp off of
- 11:13Speaker 1: it and they waited for me. So really, I'm just.
- 11:15Speaker 3: Doing it now just because there that's hard. That's beautiful, man,
- 11:19Speaker 3: that's that that shit leads to such a render outcome.
- 11:27Speaker 1: Than then.
- 11:30Speaker 3: I do everything for bro like I mean, I don't
- 11:32Speaker 3: do everything.
- 11:33Speaker 1: I mean I do everything for love. And the money
- 11:35Speaker 1: part it just came natural. I never had to chase
- 11:37Speaker 1: money in my life, you know what I'm saying. And
- 11:40Speaker 1: I'm blessed like that because I in certain times when
- 11:43Speaker 1: I came in the game, when I was younger, so
- 11:45Speaker 1: I it just was a blessing. At the same time,
- 11:48Speaker 1: I never had to chase it, so I never cared
- 11:50Speaker 1: about money like most people do.
- 11:52Speaker 2: It just naturally came and the business came part of it.
- 11:55Speaker 1: Just all to just understand the simple shit Like I
- 11:58Speaker 1: never complicated my business, you know what I'm saying. I
- 12:01Speaker 1: always kept my business simple as fuck, and I always
- 12:04Speaker 1: kept my business kind of private too. I don't let
- 12:07Speaker 1: everybody in on my business because once you give everybody
- 12:10Speaker 1: your business, it's not a big it's it becomes it
- 12:14Speaker 1: becomes saturated. Like the podcast business.
- 12:16Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, right, No, yigga, hey, nigga. Right,
- 12:22Speaker 3: it becomes very filter like it don't be real, it
- 12:27Speaker 3: be scripts, and it just it's kind an extra. Do
- 12:31Speaker 3: you think that that improves the outcome? Though?
- 12:37Speaker 2: As far as what give me what you mean?
- 12:39Speaker 3: I do you feel like when we be going to
- 12:42Speaker 3: like those podcasts and maybe having the scripts and the
- 12:44Speaker 3: saying all that shit, like it be better quality or
- 12:49Speaker 3: so not really though.
- 12:51Speaker 1: Cause shit, no, it's like I mean, honestly, when you
- 12:54Speaker 1: do the podcast doing I do it for a reason.
- 12:56Speaker 1: There has to be a real reason behind why I'm
- 12:58Speaker 1: doing it, or I have to be a person that
- 13:00Speaker 1: I really fuck with, you see what I'm saying, Like,
- 13:02Speaker 1: if it's somebody I really fuck with, I just do them,
- 13:05Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
- 13:05Speaker 2: Like, because because.
- 13:07Speaker 3: Podcast where they have a whole script and like the
- 13:13Speaker 3: questions written and you gotta like.
- 13:15Speaker 1: Yeah, they doing it's because that's the way. That's the way,
- 13:18Speaker 1: And honestly, it's a gift for the curse because I
- 13:21Speaker 1: hate that's it seems like that's all that entertainment as
- 13:24Speaker 1: far as in as far as our community has gotten
- 13:26Speaker 1: to it's just talking you see what I'm saying, and like,
- 13:29Speaker 1: I hate like and I hate it because we're doing
- 13:32Speaker 1: it right now, just fucking talking. But it's like I
- 13:35Speaker 1: hate that this is what has come to, like we
- 13:37Speaker 1: do more of this than we do in the fuckingtaining
- 13:40Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying.
- 13:41Speaker 3: So why you niggas ain't rapping right, No.
- 13:52Speaker 1: For real rapping and entertained performing like niggas. But but see,
- 13:57Speaker 1: I'm I started in performing, so it's never I never.
- 14:01Speaker 1: I never got out of performing. I always understood the
- 14:04Speaker 1: power of it. And now it's got to the point
- 14:07Speaker 1: where the audience you can't fool him no more. So
- 14:11Speaker 1: you gotta god damn entertained or something. So that's why
- 14:14Speaker 1: people like you don't always win, because.
- 14:16Speaker 2: You have all that all in one.
- 14:18Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.
- 14:19Speaker 2: So it really works in my favorite loan run.
- 14:23Speaker 3: You get it. You're a niggah like bruh that shit.
- 14:28Speaker 3: What's crazy is like if you do the entertaining part,
- 14:33Speaker 3: you really don't even have to do the talking part,
- 14:35Speaker 3: like we do this shit. It's just like you said,
- 14:38Speaker 3: you hardly got around to like, alright, I do that,
- 14:41Speaker 3: you feel me, but you don't have to.
- 14:44Speaker 2: My little cousin.
- 14:45Speaker 1: He like, like I be crying this nigga right, Like
- 14:48Speaker 1: he's a perfect example of somebody.
- 14:50Speaker 2: That he's just so talented. He let his talent do
- 14:52Speaker 2: the talking.
- 14:53Speaker 1: It's like Johana sweet here, producer, you the fuck with
- 14:56Speaker 1: him with Kalani.
- 14:59Speaker 3: I've heard, I've seen it, Yah.
- 15:00Speaker 1: Caline Taylor Swift. This nigga he Drake, He just on
- 15:04Speaker 1: Drake three three songs on Drake abbat everything.
- 15:07Speaker 3: But like like your nephew nephew or my.
- 15:10Speaker 1: Cousin, this is like this is like my cousin cousin
- 15:13Speaker 1: like from boring, this is like my blood cousin. Like
- 15:16Speaker 1: we had like I could, I got pictures in there
- 15:18Speaker 1: that I sent it to you whatever. But like he
- 15:21Speaker 1: went to Juliard and everything, like he was raised right
- 15:25Speaker 1: and he came out right like especial. He came in
- 15:29Speaker 1: the girl of your hair because he's like twenty nine
- 15:31Speaker 1: to two. So he's the same exact age as Colin,
- 15:35Speaker 1: you know all him like so so you can understand
- 15:37Speaker 1: what he is. So he came up the right way
- 15:39Speaker 1: without doing all the fuckery, and he's exact success. You
- 15:43Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So he's he's one of the
- 15:45Speaker 1: people always use as an example of you don't have
- 15:48Speaker 1: to play the fuckery game, like and I don't and
- 15:51Speaker 1: I don't knock playing fucking game because sometimes that's all
- 15:55Speaker 1: you got.
- 15:55Speaker 3: And but you know what it is, It's like it's
- 15:58Speaker 3: how we antiquate success, right, Jahann Sweet is successful, but
- 16:03Speaker 3: he's not famous, like and that's what we live in
- 16:09Speaker 3: a time where niggas associate fame with success, right, some
- 16:13Speaker 3: people would rather be famous than successful, Like some people
- 16:17Speaker 3: was like, yeah, that shit kind of always.
- 16:19Speaker 1: Been like they just got magnified. Is because fame ain't
- 16:22Speaker 1: nothing but attention. Like people want attention and attention it
- 16:25Speaker 1: feels like love when you ain't used to love. So
- 16:28Speaker 1: and that's what and that's all it is. People just
- 16:30Speaker 1: want attention. It's as simple as getting a shout out
- 16:33Speaker 1: in the club back in the day. That's what social
- 16:35Speaker 1: media is now as a shout out. He just feels attention.
- 16:37Speaker 1: It's the love and that's what is magnified now. So
- 16:40Speaker 1: everybody wants love. They want their more than money. Honestly,
- 16:44Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So it's it's it's the
- 16:46Speaker 1: catch twenty two of everything. So that's why and that's
- 16:49Speaker 1: where we are as an entertainment wise. It's like people
- 16:53Speaker 1: so trying to chase the tension that we've lost value
- 16:57Speaker 1: in the in the in the entertainment, and there's no
- 17:00Speaker 1: value in it there because.
- 17:01Speaker 3: It's you know, you know what's crazy. Cancel culture has
- 17:06Speaker 3: showed niggas how much it's attention and how much when
- 17:10Speaker 3: a nigga don't love you, that attention can always be swayed.
- 17:15Speaker 3: But there's no love in it. And that's what I mean.
- 17:17Speaker 1: But you have to already be programmed as a comedian. Well,
- 17:21Speaker 1: for me, you kind of signed that's what you signed
- 17:25Speaker 1: up for to get black ball. You know what I'm saying.
- 17:26Speaker 3: If you're a real comedian, if you're really talking about life.
- 17:30Speaker 1: Yeah, like most comedians, you're not really a comedian if
- 17:33Speaker 1: you haven't got canceled. You know what I'm saying.
- 17:34Speaker 2: I get canceled. What's some up damn there?
- 17:36Speaker 1: But I don't think nobody got canceled more than me
- 17:39Speaker 1: because I've been canceled for over fifteen for fifteen years straight,
- 17:43Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying. So it's kind of comes
- 17:45Speaker 1: with the territory. So it's like, but it comes with
- 17:49Speaker 1: tough skin. But now I guess the all.
- 17:51Speaker 3: Of you, like, do you be apologizing?
- 17:55Speaker 1: Shit, I've never apologized. I've lost millions not apologizing. Ask
- 18:01Speaker 1: anybody about me. You better I don't. My My representation
- 18:05Speaker 1: speaks for myself. Ye'll tell you about I don't know ship.
- 18:08Speaker 1: I still got ship. Now. I can't do nothing because.
- 18:13Speaker 3: Nig you have.
- 18:16Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend doing that with me like what I do,
- 18:19Speaker 1: because like I still on the way I say, but
- 18:21Speaker 1: I understand what come with it too, So I'm not
- 18:24Speaker 1: one of the people that cry and be like, man,
- 18:26Speaker 1: they don't fuck with me because it's such and such.
- 18:28Speaker 1: It's like being mad at you're offer, not fucking with you.
- 18:31Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like I know what
- 18:32Speaker 1: comes with it. You see what I'm saying. So if
- 18:34Speaker 1: I if I say, if I say fuck this and
- 18:38Speaker 1: I'm not apologized about it. But at the same time,
- 18:42Speaker 1: if I if I'm wrong, I can stand a strengthening too.
- 18:45Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. But if I don't feel
- 18:47Speaker 1: like I'm wrong, I'm not apologizing, right, you know what
- 18:51Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I don't recommend that.
- 18:57Speaker 3: Nigga. You gotta come to the crib. Please when you
- 19:01Speaker 3: out here, just come by the crib.
- 19:03Speaker 2: I told you I will be up there next week's
- 19:05Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, next week.
- 19:08Speaker 3: Perfect. We gotta lock in after this, we lock You
- 19:12Speaker 3: know how nigga be playing ship in the head already.
- 19:15Speaker 3: I'm already trying to get you doing sick.
- 19:20Speaker 1: I got or I got some vibe ship for the
- 19:22Speaker 1: backyard that I'm full around entertainer ship. Just give me
- 19:27Speaker 1: a give me a drum and a keyboard.
- 19:29Speaker 2: This we vibe O.
- 19:30Speaker 3: God, that's that's me. Give me some keys.
- 19:36Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what's your what's your end? Go?
- 19:39Speaker 2: What's your end? Go?
- 19:41Speaker 3: Man?
- 19:42Speaker 2: And it's two at two parts in the game and
- 19:45Speaker 2: in life.
- 19:47Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. In life, I just want to die peaceful.
- 19:52Speaker 3: And that's not to say not in any type of
- 19:54Speaker 3: specific way, but just at at peace. But I guess
- 19:58Speaker 3: that don't even matter. I don't know, I don't be
- 20:01Speaker 3: I don't be thinking about that ship as much as
- 20:04Speaker 3: maybe I should or or so.
- 20:06Speaker 1: I always always stink at the end and go backwards.
- 20:11Speaker 1: That's how you do it. Like you think about that
- 20:13Speaker 1: and go on backwards, and that's your life. That's what
- 20:16Speaker 1: I did.
- 20:20Speaker 3: It's funny because I be. I'll be talking about like
- 20:22Speaker 3: digging a hole, right, and as you dig a hole,
- 20:24Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I put a pool in here. And
- 20:27Speaker 3: once you get a pool, it's like, oh, we can
- 20:28Speaker 3: add lights around here. But some people just draw up
- 20:31Speaker 3: the whole blueprint first and then start that. But but
- 20:35Speaker 3: that's that? Does that give you ring to like, yo,
- 20:40Speaker 3: your journey to where you are now? Was that a thing?
- 20:43Speaker 3: And you and you went backwards?
- 20:45Speaker 2: Yep?
- 20:46Speaker 1: I knew from day one, Like even as a jit,
- 20:49Speaker 1: I always understood, even though I didn't understand the fact,
- 20:53Speaker 1: I kind of understood what I was supposed to be.
- 20:56Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I don't like to
- 20:57Speaker 1: give my example because it sounds was cliche, but then
- 21:01Speaker 1: it sounds like this niggas just think he's just God's
- 21:05Speaker 1: give for some ship. But it's just like I really
- 21:07Speaker 1: just kind of understood. I had really understanding at a
- 21:10Speaker 1: young age, eating like like nowadays, being a entertainer ain't nothing.
- 21:16Speaker 1: But when I came up being at saying you it
- 21:17Speaker 1: was gonna be a entertainer, especially where I'm from, it
- 21:20Speaker 1: was like seeing being an astronaut. You see what I'm saying.
- 21:23Speaker 3: So niggas niggas bar was Michael Jackson.
- 21:30Speaker 1: It's like it's like you watched it, but you didn't
- 21:33Speaker 1: think you could do it. You see what I'm saying,
- 21:34Speaker 1: Like it's just like you didn't understand it. But something
- 21:38Speaker 1: in my mind or maybe it's my I always give
- 21:40Speaker 1: the credit to my community because they kind of molded
- 21:43Speaker 1: me and sheltered me to to make me who I am.
- 21:46Speaker 2: Who I am.
- 21:46Speaker 1: Now, that's why I always go back to my community
- 21:48Speaker 1: and and try to give back and do whatever I can.
- 21:50Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So my whole name is
- 21:53Speaker 1: my community. My Duval is Duval County, that's the whole city.
- 21:57Speaker 3: You know what's crazy. You've always been a multifaceted figment
- 22:05Speaker 3: in my life, like and it's it's really dope because
- 22:10Speaker 3: it's very reflective of myself. I've never been able to
- 22:13Speaker 3: pinpoint specifically what you do because it's always something different
- 22:18Speaker 3: depending on what time we end. And that's really dope.
- 22:21Speaker 3: Just that's just a nod. That was just a thought
- 22:23Speaker 3: that crossed my mind. I started thinking, I'm like, damn,
- 22:26Speaker 3: this nigga do do comedy. He got the.
- 22:31Speaker 2: It's kind of like what I said, what I say,
- 22:33Speaker 2: I see in you. It's like we are.
- 22:36Speaker 1: We are in one if each other, so we understand
- 22:40Speaker 1: each other with because we connect.
- 22:43Speaker 2: We connect just through just through our DNA, you know.
- 22:46Speaker 1: That through our hair.
- 22:46Speaker 2: It is through who we are as a people, and
- 22:49Speaker 2: that's what the connection is.
- 22:50Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Even if you and it's genuine,
- 22:53Speaker 1: you caar what I'm saying. So even if you don't,
- 22:56Speaker 1: even if you don't never seen a stand up with me,
- 22:59Speaker 1: you see me as as an up.
- 23:00Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, especially through social media, because what.
- 23:03Speaker 1: Most people don't realize, I've been on social media more
- 23:06Speaker 1: than anybody. And what we don't understand is nothing been
- 23:10Speaker 1: more powerful than social media the last fifteen twenty years.
- 23:14Speaker 1: And every morning you wake up, ain't gonna see little Dufo.
- 23:20Speaker 1: So every morning, if you're waking up, I'm like your
- 23:23Speaker 1: family member. So you was raised with me. It's like
- 23:26Speaker 1: being raised on Nickelodeon.
- 23:29Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
- 23:30Speaker 1: It's like people that was raised on Nick Cannon. Like now,
- 23:33Speaker 1: people forty years old, they still love Nick Cannon because
- 23:36Speaker 1: they was raised on the Knicks. And that's where the
- 23:38Speaker 1: can is. With social media and everything with me, it's
- 23:41Speaker 1: like you was raised with me through Twitter, through my Space,
- 23:44Speaker 1: through Instagram, through YouTube, through comic Youth, through the TV show,
- 23:49Speaker 1: through the movies, everything, because I understand, and that's all entertainment,
- 23:53Speaker 1: and that's all everybody do. That's all shit you do.
- 23:55Speaker 1: You ain't just a rapper, you everything. You're a businessman.
- 24:00Speaker 1: You act, you can act at any moment. That's all
- 24:03Speaker 1: this whole generation is. That's how entertainment was at one
- 24:06Speaker 1: time in general. It just in the eighties it broke
- 24:09Speaker 1: off into different ships, but we was always doing everything
- 24:13Speaker 1: like That's that's why I call myself Sammy Davis Duval
- 24:16Speaker 1: because that's all he did. Everything that nigga saying, dance.
- 24:20Speaker 3: How much in your life? Now it's ship that you
- 24:26Speaker 3: don't do. You still have to do ship that you
- 24:30Speaker 3: don't desire to do.
- 24:33Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you enough. That's a blessing that I've
- 24:35Speaker 1: always had. I've always had to let you to do
- 24:38Speaker 1: what the fuck I want to do. That's what it's
- 24:40Speaker 1: harder for me to try to do. Other ship. I
- 24:42Speaker 1: swear to God, I be trying to do like because
- 24:47Speaker 1: like I be, like, damn, maybe if I try to,
- 24:49Speaker 1: but I'm so programmed to do what the fuck I
- 24:52Speaker 1: want to do. I don't know how to do nothing else.
- 24:55Speaker 1: I don't know how to I don't know how to
- 24:58Speaker 1: feel to myself. That's why always get the lead on
- 25:01Speaker 1: social media because I'm so used to do what the
- 25:04Speaker 1: fuck I want to do. I can't even do right up,
- 25:07Speaker 1: I try, I'm.
- 25:09Speaker 3: Right, And that's a beautiful to me. It made me think.
- 25:13Speaker 3: It made me think of Boozy Boozie gonna always get
- 25:16Speaker 3: the leader and rebuild some ship because Boozie not doing
- 25:19Speaker 3: nothing but being boozy.
- 25:21Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, even with me, I'm just who I am
- 25:27Speaker 1: because but I've never it's never intentionally like trying to
- 25:30Speaker 1: fuck people over, trying to intentionally hurt people are fucking
- 25:34Speaker 1: minds off. It's just me being just like and honestly,
- 25:38Speaker 1: I'm a reflection of who our whole community is when
- 25:40Speaker 1: it comes to social media, because they not only when
- 25:43Speaker 1: they flag me or some ship, they really flagg and
- 25:46Speaker 1: our die thek on how we talk because that's usually
- 25:49Speaker 1: what it is, and and I talk just a reflection
- 25:52Speaker 1: of who our community is.
- 25:54Speaker 3: So you know, so the funny that's true, Like they
- 25:59Speaker 3: they're taking intentional things that we just say to each
- 26:03Speaker 3: other because nigga, when you come up from here like
- 26:06Speaker 3: that's that's how that's ship.
- 26:08Speaker 1: It's like that comments not if somebody tell me to
- 26:11Speaker 1: shut up, they get flagged for telling me to shut up.
- 26:14Speaker 1: Well we just you know, we just might man, man,
- 26:16Speaker 1: shut up man. But they take it like that because
- 26:20Speaker 1: but that's what they always do. They use us to
- 26:22Speaker 1: come up on the They've been doing this even before sociid.
- 26:26Speaker 1: They use our platform as our culture to build a brand.
- 26:29Speaker 1: And once they build the brand, they move on and
- 26:32Speaker 1: then ship on our ship. They've been doing that shit.
- 26:35Speaker 1: They did that with Fox Network.
- 26:37Speaker 3: Have you met anyone in your journey that surprised you
- 26:43Speaker 3: in terms of who they were, Like they were either
- 26:47Speaker 3: way better than you thought or like Nigga, that nigga
- 26:51Speaker 3: ain't nothing like y'all think he is.
- 26:54Speaker 1: It's plenty of that, man.
- 26:55Speaker 2: Niggas ain't nothing that they think is.
- 26:57Speaker 1: But as far as I can tell you, the most
- 27:01Speaker 1: genuine person in hip hop, dude, that's Snoop. Snoop the
- 27:06Speaker 1: most genuine person in hip hop. I think Snoop. I
- 27:10Speaker 1: mean as far as the biggest names, but as far
- 27:13Speaker 1: as like uh like DJ Pooh, you a genuine good guy.
- 27:18Speaker 1: Uh these the ogs timp of genuine t I he's
- 27:22Speaker 1: a genuine good guy, but he's like one of them stubboring,
- 27:25Speaker 1: like if he love you, he love you want them
- 27:27Speaker 1: stubbing good guys.
- 27:28Speaker 2: But if he's what you gonna rab at that which
- 27:30Speaker 2: genuine good guy? Uh shit? Who else?
- 27:37Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think off the top of my head.
- 27:39Speaker 1: My man is just passed clay.
- 27:45Speaker 2: Ship.
- 27:46Speaker 1: Now it's plenty of it's plenty good people in there,
- 27:48Speaker 1: Like it's it's plenty good people. And then too, I
- 27:52Speaker 1: can't say too many people fuck you because I don't
- 27:54Speaker 1: look for ship out of people a lot. So you
- 27:56Speaker 1: can't fuck though, because I'm not expecting ship from most people.
- 27:59Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 28:01Speaker 1: I don't have the expectations on people, so I rarely,
- 28:04Speaker 1: I rarely see the fuck shitting in people like that there,
- 28:07Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, now, there's plenty of
- 28:09Speaker 1: people like I see Charlamagne. Charlamagne, he's a different type
- 28:13Speaker 1: of motherfucker, like he'll help anybody. Then I was like, hey, man,
- 28:16Speaker 1: a niggas he's gonna fuck yo. You're gonna realize dan
- 28:18Speaker 1: agn ship. And then nine times out of ten every
- 28:22Speaker 1: person I told him what ship and what're gonna fuck
- 28:24Speaker 1: him over?
- 28:25Speaker 2: They end up doing it, you know what I'm saying.
- 28:27Speaker 1: But for the most part, shit, who else, it's a
- 28:33Speaker 1: lot of It's a lot of genuine people, man, a
- 28:36Speaker 1: lot of black genuine women out here. Man. That's that's
- 28:38Speaker 1: where you're gonna see most of the black women. They
- 28:41Speaker 1: do a lot of They the ones ship on the
- 28:43Speaker 1: load that show a lot of love.
- 28:46Speaker 3: Fact they make shape.
- 28:51Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, But yeah, member ship anything else.
- 28:54Speaker 1: That's the last thing.
- 28:55Speaker 2: Then we out this motherfucking right because we're ben't.
- 28:58Speaker 3: Talking though, right.
- 29:03Speaker 1: Right, I don't do those This another thing I don't
- 29:06Speaker 1: like just random just just just rare them, just talking.
- 29:10Speaker 2: I like to make it make sense, like talking.
- 29:12Speaker 1: Now two hours I hate, I swear to god, I've
- 29:16Speaker 1: never watched the two hours.
- 29:18Speaker 2: I've never watched the two hour. I've never watched a podcast.
- 29:23Speaker 3: Right, that's the craziest part, you know. But the thing
- 29:28Speaker 3: is like I get it only because one episode. Like
- 29:35Speaker 3: I'm a nigga, who right, every time I do an interview,
- 29:37Speaker 3: I go in and I take all the pieces I
- 29:39Speaker 3: need out of that interview, and it's like if you
- 29:41Speaker 3: had one good episode. Nigga, you got about forty fifty
- 29:45Speaker 3: clips for the rest of your year. You ain't gotta
- 29:47Speaker 3: do ship outs on social media but running fucking clips
- 29:50Speaker 3: and run your ad and you know, like you eat,
- 29:52Speaker 3: but sometimes it'd be two hours.
- 29:54Speaker 1: Got played out now because niggas done. Read that ship
- 29:57Speaker 1: in the ground.
- 29:58Speaker 3: Right, you know? Yes? But no, bro, It's funny because
- 30:03Speaker 3: earlier you were saying how you was like, you'll see
- 30:06Speaker 3: niggas doing shit and you like, I ain't doing that
- 30:07Speaker 3: shit because niggas doing it. But really, with your mind,
- 30:10Speaker 3: if you see niggas doing ship that's just an opportunity
- 30:13Speaker 3: you to be like, I do that shit way better
- 30:15Speaker 3: than them niggas because you have you have the actual
- 30:19Speaker 3: thing like me, and you have that thing that everybody
- 30:22Speaker 3: push Like nigga, we can do what.
- 30:28Speaker 1: Me and them they say the same thing. But I'm
- 30:31Speaker 1: I'm stubborn, but I listened. I listened to certain people.
- 30:35Speaker 3: So listen to.
- 30:39Speaker 1: Me only doing it because of them?
- 30:41Speaker 3: No, but listen, nigga, Look just this talk me and
- 30:45Speaker 3: you had on riverside with our blurry screens, and you
- 30:49Speaker 3: feel me like nigga, imagine if you somewhere in this
- 30:53Speaker 3: same kind like when it happens when you come to
- 30:55Speaker 3: the to the yard or we meet and we get
- 30:57Speaker 3: the cambrage and shit like, bro, it only amplifies it
- 31:01Speaker 3: in the ship that you already do because it's like
- 31:03Speaker 3: you already doing it, Nigga. Just just watch.
- 31:07Speaker 2: You're right, man, you're right. That's God, Man, that's God
- 31:12Speaker 2: telling you to tell me, Man, stop.
- 31:14Speaker 3: Boring, right for real? Because this ship, Bro, we just
- 31:17Speaker 3: had a great time and it was short and it's
- 31:20Speaker 3: better than that scripted old nigga. This ship was organic
- 31:22Speaker 3: as fucked, So it's like if you know you could
- 31:25Speaker 3: do it on that level because everybody doing it, Nigga,
- 31:28Speaker 3: this shit a wig that was a that was It's
- 31:31Speaker 3: a w Nigga. This was great. This is one of
- 31:36Speaker 3: my favorite interviews. And we did this ship on zoom
- 31:39Speaker 3: with with a blurry screen. Nigga. Nigga broke like a motherfucker, Nigga,
- 31:49Speaker 3: like a month when you when it only but it's
- 31:52Speaker 3: like it don't even have to be But I get it.
- 31:57Speaker 3: I'm gonna always.
- 32:00Speaker 2: Up with stupid.
- 32:00Speaker 1: That's my mind.
- 32:01Speaker 2: Kiss keep yourself for stupid.
- 32:03Speaker 3: I still record in the crib, but I'm getting to it.
- 32:06Speaker 3: It's that point where like, Okay, we gotta maintain what
- 32:09Speaker 3: we want, so we do whatever the fuck we won't
- 32:11Speaker 3: because I have to do whatever the fuck I want.
- 32:13Speaker 3: But it's like, it's like when you gotta go to
- 32:16Speaker 3: the airport, you can have a Honda accuratey Yo six
- 32:21Speaker 3: pick you up, or you can get a black escalade,
- 32:23Speaker 3: and neither of those is really gonna cost you difference
- 32:26Speaker 3: when you're doing the ship, you're supposed to do the word.
- 32:29Speaker 3: You feel me? So, nick I just already see it
- 32:33Speaker 3: because this was a good ass fucking brother. Them niggas
- 32:36Speaker 3: don't be having that thing, and so we're flooded with
- 32:40Speaker 3: a bunch of amateurs who don't have that thing, who
- 32:42Speaker 3: are trying to have that thing.
- 32:44Speaker 1: But see, that's what honestly, I want when it comes up,
- 32:47Speaker 1: when it comes to art. When it comes to art,
- 32:50Speaker 1: it's like I need people around me that's gonna make me,
- 32:54Speaker 1: make me wanting to give a fuck.
- 32:55Speaker 3: I don't.
- 32:56Speaker 1: I'm not impressed with.
- 32:57Speaker 3: Nothing, nigga. That's what I like.
- 33:01Speaker 1: It's no more because it's like, yes, like the last
- 33:06Speaker 1: twenty years and this ain't the shit on nobody movie
- 33:09Speaker 1: I can name baby two movies I'd be like, damn,
- 33:11Speaker 1: I wish I would have did that. Other than that,
- 33:14Speaker 1: ain't no movies made me give a fuck by being
- 33:16Speaker 1: it ain't nothing.
- 33:17Speaker 3: Like no one's crazy though, because we have representations like
- 33:22Speaker 3: Charlemagne is a really great representation of a nigga who's
- 33:26Speaker 3: been a nigga but at it except like profess like
- 33:29Speaker 3: no matter what level he has to do, and he
- 33:31Speaker 3: remains in Charlemagne, and that'd be our biggest thing. We
- 33:34Speaker 3: were like, nigga, want that shit get there, come it becomes.
- 33:36Speaker 3: But like she's saying, if niggas like me and you
- 33:39Speaker 3: decided to do it, nigga is a home run because
- 33:43Speaker 3: we don't have to do nothing but be us. Everybody
- 33:45Speaker 3: else gotta get the lives and they dance and they
- 33:47Speaker 3: gotta do all the extra shit. But we don't have
- 33:50Speaker 3: to do nothing but be us.
- 33:51Speaker 1: But you know what's so hard about it? You know,
- 33:53Speaker 1: you know it's so hard about it when it's really you,
- 33:55Speaker 1: you take it for granted. I'd be taking it for
- 33:57Speaker 1: granted sometimes because it comes so second nature.
- 34:02Speaker 3: Right, and you know I'll be battling with that because
- 34:07Speaker 3: I'll be like some days I be upset that everybody thinks,
- 34:11Speaker 3: knows and feels like I'm the nigga that I.
- 34:13Speaker 5: Am nigga that ship some rich like wrong with these niggas.
- 34:27Speaker 3: Fuck wrong with these niggas.
- 34:32Speaker 1: So now I gotta come out there and fuck with
- 34:35Speaker 1: y'all for real, man, I gotta come out there with
- 34:37Speaker 1: y'all for real, for real.
- 34:38Speaker 3: Please don't please do I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
- 34:40Speaker 3: hold you no more, no, no longer. But nigga, just
- 34:43Speaker 3: this was great. I feel like we both got information
- 34:45Speaker 3: we needed to hear from each other. I'm so bad.
- 34:50Speaker 3: Come on, still sharp and still.
- 34:53Speaker 2: That's the same ship, nigga.
- 34:54Speaker 3: Sa, Hey, this was dope as fun. Man, I appreciate you.
- 35:13Speaker 1: No, but I appreciate you too. Man. But like I say, man,
- 35:16Speaker 1: I appreciate you checking in man, Vick, y'all tu and
- 35:18Speaker 1: that next time the Black Effect Man, and I'm out
- 35:21Speaker 1: this bitch. Thanks for listen to another episode of Conversation
- 35:25Speaker 1: with Me, Little Duval.
- 35:27Speaker 2: We got this bitch.
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