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- 0:03Speaker 1: On the morning of March fourth, twenty nineteen, Amy McCarthy
- 0:08Speaker 1: was running her trot lines on the Ennith River south.
- 0:11Speaker 2: Of the Route nine bridge when.
- 0:13Speaker 1: She spotted a banker's box wedged against a submerged route.
- 0:16Speaker 1: The box was water logged, but sealed inside forty one
- 0:21Speaker 1: copies of a published book, three hundred twelve pages, author
- 0:25Speaker 1: photo on the back cover. The author's name was Ronald Donnelley.
- 0:30Speaker 1: The problem was that Ronald Donnelly had not written a
- 0:33Speaker 1: single word. The woman who had written every word was
- 0:36Speaker 1: twenty four years old, working the reception desk at a
- 0:40Speaker 1: dental office in Caldwell Flat's, Nebraska. She had not yet
- 0:45Speaker 1: seen a copy of her own book.
- 0:47Speaker 2: She did not know it existed.
- 0:50Speaker 1: What happened between those two facts between a young woman
- 0:54Speaker 1: writing her life into a composition notebook kept under her
- 0:58Speaker 1: bed and a man putting his photograph on the cover
- 1:02Speaker 1: was not a single act of theft. It was a dismantling, methodical, incremental,
- 1:07Speaker 1: and design to make the target question her own perception
- 1:11Speaker 1: long before she questioned his. There is something in this
- 1:14Speaker 1: case that resists.
- 1:15Speaker 2: A clean frame.
- 1:16Speaker 1: Ronald Donnelly did not steal a manuscript in the dark
- 1:20Speaker 1: and run. He spent more than two years inside Ronda
- 1:24Speaker 1: Rice's professional life, inserting himself so carefully that the people
- 1:28Speaker 1: around her never thought.
- 1:30Speaker 2: To ask who had authorized him to be there.
- 1:32Speaker 1: By the time the book appeared in print, he had
- 1:35Speaker 1: already built a version of reality in which the theft
- 1:38Speaker 1: made a kind of paperwork sense. That river Box changed everything.
- 1:43Speaker 1: The rain had raised the water level two nights earlier,
- 1:46Speaker 1: stranding evidence Donnelly had driven out to destroy A woman
- 1:49Speaker 1: checking fishing lines found it instead. Caldwell Flats sits in
- 1:54Speaker 1: the flat agricultural corridor of southeastern Nebraska, the kind of
- 1:59Speaker 1: town where in institutional memory is long and professional strangers
- 2:03Speaker 1: are noticed. Ronda Rice had grown up there. She was
- 2:07Speaker 1: precise by temperament, the word her neighbors used not as
- 2:11Speaker 1: criticism but as description. She fed her two Holland Lop rabbits,
- 2:17Speaker 1: Tess and Clover, at seven in the morning and seven
- 2:21Speaker 1: in the evening, without variance. She kept records, She re
- 2:25Speaker 1: read contracts. She had been writing the same memoir since
- 2:28Speaker 1: high school, not drafting and abandoning it, building it. The
- 2:33Speaker 1: manuscript lived in a composition notebook under her bed, and
- 2:36Speaker 1: over the years it had grown into something real, a
- 2:39Speaker 1: structured account of her family's history across two generations, the
- 2:43Speaker 1: kind of book that required living with the material long
- 2:46Speaker 1: enough to know what.
- 2:47Speaker 2: To leave out.
- 2:48Speaker 1: By spring twenty sixteen, she was close to a finished draft.
- 2:52Speaker 1: What Donnelly understood, and what makes this case worth examining carefully,
- 2:58Speaker 1: is that Ronda's precision was not of vulnerability. It was
- 3:02Speaker 1: the point a credulous writer might have missed the contract
- 3:06Speaker 1: clause that mattered Ronda read it. She simply did not
- 3:09Speaker 1: recognize what she was reading because Donnelly had spent weeks
- 3:13Speaker 1: making sure she trusted him before she signed anything. Ronald
- 3:17Speaker 1: Donnelly was forty three years old in October two thousand
- 3:20Speaker 1: sixteen when he arrived in Caldwell Flats to lead a
- 3:24Speaker 1: four week workshop at the public Library. He presented as
- 3:28Speaker 1: an Omaha based literary agent with a boutique client list.
- 3:32Speaker 1: His agency website was real, two of his listed clients
- 3:37Speaker 1: were verifiable. He wore heavy framed glasses and spoke about
- 3:41Speaker 1: publishing with the fluency of some one who had spent
- 3:44Speaker 1: time inside it. During the second session of that workshop,
- 3:48Speaker 1: he singled out Ronda's work, not with generic encouragement. He
- 3:52Speaker 1: engaged with specific sentences, named specific structural choices, identified a
- 3:57Speaker 1: passage near the middle of her draft, and explained precisely
- 4:01Speaker 1: why it worked. This is a detail worthholding. He did
- 4:05Speaker 1: not flatter her. He analyzed her. There is a difference,
- 4:10Speaker 1: and Ronda was careful enough to notice it.
- 4:12Speaker 2: That noticing is what made her trust him.
- 4:15Speaker 1: By December two thousand sixteen, she had signed a representation agreement.
- 4:20Speaker 1: She read it before signing. Section seven was there in
- 4:23Speaker 1: the document a clause granting the agent co author designation
- 4:27Speaker 1: rights in the event that substantive editorial development was provided
- 4:31Speaker 1: by the agent. She read it, She readed it. She
- 4:34Speaker 1: registered it as standard boilerplate. It was the sentence Donnelly
- 4:39Speaker 1: had been building towards since the second night of the workshop.
- 4:42Speaker 1: The representation agreement sat in a folder under Ronda's bed,
- 4:47Speaker 1: next to the composition notebook she had been filling since
- 4:50Speaker 1: high school. Two documents two inches apart. One was hers.
- 4:55Speaker 1: One had already been designed to take it from her.
- 4:58Speaker 1: February seve seventeen arrived quietly. Donnelly had been Ronda's agent
- 5:04Speaker 1: for two months. She had set up a Google alert
- 5:07Speaker 1: for the title of her memoir.
- 5:09Speaker 2: A practical thing.
- 5:10Speaker 1: The kind of small administrative habit that fit her precisely.
- 5:14Speaker 1: The alert returned a result she did not expect. A
- 5:17Speaker 1: thousand Small Surrenders was listed as a forthcoming title for
- 5:20Speaker 1: autumn twenty seventeen. The listed author was Ronald Donnelly. She
- 5:26Speaker 1: called him. He had an answer ready. A database error,
- 5:30Speaker 1: he said, the listing service sometimes pulled aged names into
- 5:35Speaker 1: author fields. It happened more than people realized. He spoke
- 5:39Speaker 1: with the same fluency he had used at the workshop,
- 5:42Speaker 1: the same command of Industry Mechanics, and Ronda, who had
- 5:45Speaker 1: no counter evidence and no publishing contacts to check against,
- 5:49Speaker 1: accepted the explanation. The listing disappeared within days. The alert
- 5:54Speaker 1: went quiet. That disappearance is worth pausing on. Because a
- 5:59Speaker 1: database air or leaves a trace in the system, a
- 6:02Speaker 1: person deleting a listing leaves a different kind of trace.
- 6:05Speaker 1: Curtis Keller, the Nebraska Financial Crimes Unit investigator assigned to
- 6:09Speaker 1: the case two years later, would reconstruct exactly which kind
- 6:13Speaker 1: of trace this was. It took him three weeks to
- 6:16Speaker 1: build the paper trail, but that comes later. For the
- 6:20Speaker 1: next several months, Donnelly managed the distance between Ronda.
- 6:24Speaker 2: And her own work with precision.
- 6:26Speaker 1: He communicated about submissions, about editor relationships, about the slow
- 6:31Speaker 1: pace of the industry. He forwarded summaries of conversations she
- 6:35Speaker 1: was never included in. He positioned himself as the membrane
- 6:39Speaker 1: between Ronda and the publishing world, necessary, fluent in control.
- 6:44Speaker 1: What he was also doing during that same period was
- 6:47Speaker 1: cultivating a relationship with full Crane, the manager at the
- 6:50Speaker 1: dental office where Ronda worked the reception risk. Donnelly introduced
- 6:55Speaker 1: himself to Crane as Ronda's literary manager. He delivered materials
- 6:59Speaker 1: to them, He established himself as a familiar presence. Over
- 7:04Speaker 1: roughly two years, he gained access to the office's general
- 7:08Speaker 1: inbox and retrieved signed documents on Ronda's behalf. No one
- 7:13Speaker 1: questioned it Crane was not complicit. Keller's investigation confirmed that explicitly.
- 7:19Speaker 1: Crane was simply a man who saw a professional looking
- 7:22Speaker 1: person doing professional looking things and saw no reason to interfere.
- 7:27Speaker 1: Then September twenty seventeen arrived.
- 7:31Speaker 2: A rejection letter came. It had been sent from a.
- 7:34Speaker 1: Real mid sized publisher to an Omaha Post office box,
- 7:38Speaker 1: Donnelly's box. The publisher's name was on the envelope.
- 7:42Speaker 2: The manuscript was.
- 7:43Speaker 1: Called A Thousand Small Surrenders. Inside it was addressed to
- 7:48Speaker 1: mister Donnelley and referred to the work as his memoir.
- 7:51Speaker 1: A clerical error at the publisher's office had caused it
- 7:54Speaker 1: to be forwarded to Ronda's work address rather than the
- 7:56Speaker 1: Omaha box.
- 7:58Speaker 2: Ronda opened it at the reception day. She read it.
- 8:01Speaker 1: Then she called Donnelly. His response was immediate and calibrated.
- 8:06Speaker 1: There had been a packaging error. He had submitted the
- 8:08Speaker 1: manuscript in a way that listed him as the primary contact,
- 8:12Speaker 1: and some editors took that to mean primary author. It
- 8:16Speaker 1: was a known confusion in the industry. He was sorry
- 8:19Speaker 1: she had seen it before he could explain.
- 8:22Speaker 2: And then, and this is the part.
- 8:23Speaker 1: That Patrice Owens, Ronda's neighbor, would later describe to investigators,
- 8:29Speaker 1: He told Ronda that she was being a little paranoid.
- 8:32Speaker 1: Ronda repeated that word afterward, paranoid. Her neighbor heard it
- 8:37Speaker 1: through a shared wall. Ronda saying the word to herself
- 8:40Speaker 1: in the kitchen, not with anger, but with something that
- 8:43Speaker 1: sounded like she was testing it, trying to decide if
- 8:46Speaker 1: it fit. This is how the dismantling works, not through force,
- 8:51Speaker 1: through the patient repeated suggestion that the target's own perception
- 8:54Speaker 1: was the problem. Ronda had read a letter calling her
- 8:57Speaker 1: memoir another man's memoir that was not ambiguous, but Donnelly
- 9:02Speaker 1: did not defend the letter.
- 9:04Speaker 2: He reframed Ronda.
- 9:05Speaker 1: Made her the variable, not the evidence, and she was
- 9:08Speaker 1: precise enough, careful enough, self aware enough to wonder whether
- 9:13Speaker 1: she had misread something. That is what made the technique effect.
- 9:17Speaker 1: A credulous person accepts the reframe instantly. A careful person
- 9:22Speaker 1: spends longer examining themselves, and in that examination, the gaslighting
- 9:27Speaker 1: finds its purchase. The composition notebook stayed under the bed,
- 9:32Speaker 1: the folder stayed beside it, and Ronda went back to work.
- 9:36Speaker 1: The book appeared in January two thousand nineteen. Stephanie Vance
- 9:41Speaker 1: founded on an independent press catalog, a small Kansas City publisher,
- 9:46Speaker 1: the kind that ran literary fiction and regional memoir in
- 9:49Speaker 1: modest print runs.
- 9:50Speaker 2: She was browsing late.
- 9:51Speaker 1: On a Tuesday evening when she saw a title she recognized,
- 9:55Speaker 1: A Thousand Small Surrenders. The author listed was Ronald Donnelly.
- 10:00Speaker 1: There was an author photo, there was a dedication page,
- 10:04Speaker 1: and the dedication had been changed. Stephanie called Ronda at
- 10:08Speaker 1: eight thirty that night. Ronda was in the middle of
- 10:11Speaker 1: the evening feeding Tess and Clover, both at the wire
- 10:14Speaker 1: right on schedule. She set down the pellet.
- 10:17Speaker 2: Bowl and took the call. She did not cry, She
- 10:20Speaker 2: did not say much.
- 10:21Speaker 1: She asked Stephanie to send her the link, and then
- 10:25Speaker 1: she sat with her phone for a long time after
- 10:27Speaker 1: they hung up. Three hundred twelve pages. She knew the
- 10:31Speaker 1: page count because she knew the manuscript. She knew where
- 10:35Speaker 1: the chapter brakes fell, which section ran long, which passage
- 10:39Speaker 1: near the middle she had revised eleven times. She did
- 10:43Speaker 1: not need to hold the book to know it was hers.
- 10:47Speaker 1: The geometry of it was already hers. What she could
- 10:50Speaker 1: not yet account for was the mechanism how a manuscript
- 10:55Speaker 1: kept under her bed had become a published book under
- 10:58Speaker 1: another man's name. That question, the gap between the composition
- 11:02Speaker 1: notebook and the catalog listing, is what drove the next
- 11:06Speaker 1: several weeks. The answer came in two parts. The first
- 11:10Speaker 1: was Keller, assigned in late February twenty nineteen. He began
- 11:15Speaker 1: with the representation agreement and followed the paper backward. The
- 11:19Speaker 1: dental office access gave him the earliest thread signed documents
- 11:24Speaker 1: retrieved by Donnelly over a two year period, including revised drafts,
- 11:29Speaker 1: editorial notes, and at least one notarized release form that
- 11:33Speaker 1: Ronda had no memory of signing. Keller found the storage
- 11:36Speaker 1: unit next a climate controlled space in Omaha, registered under
- 11:41Speaker 1: a shell name, containing Ronda's physical manuscript, her composition notebooks,
- 11:46Speaker 1: and annotated drafts. Everything she had ever given Donnelly to review,
- 11:51Speaker 1: held not returned, not destroyed, held a room paid for
- 11:56Speaker 1: under a name that did not exist. The second part
- 11:59Speaker 1: arrived on March fourth. Amy McCarthy ran trot lines on
- 12:03Speaker 1: the N and F River south of the Route nine bridge.
- 12:05Speaker 1: That morning she found a banker's box stranded in the
- 12:08Speaker 1: reeds near the bank. The river had risen after two
- 12:11Speaker 1: days of rain.
- 12:12Speaker 2: She opened the box.
- 12:14Speaker 1: Inside were forty one copies of the published book and
- 12:17Speaker 1: a den sheaf of correspondence letters to the Kansas City Press,
- 12:22Speaker 1: royalty statements, a contract. Donnelly had driven to the river
- 12:25Speaker 1: approximately two nights earlier. He had left the box on
- 12:29Speaker 1: the bank, intending the current to take it. The rain
- 12:32Speaker 1: had raised the water level and pushed its sideways into
- 12:36Speaker 1: the reeds.
- 12:36Speaker 2: Instead of downstream.
- 12:38Speaker 1: Forty one copies, correspondence a contract. He had tried to
- 12:43Speaker 1: dispose of the evidence, and the river had refused. Keller
- 12:47Speaker 1: interviewed Donnelly formal on March eleventh. Donnelly's attorney cooperated. The publisher,
- 12:53Speaker 1: once contacted, confirmed they had been deceived. They had no
- 12:57Speaker 1: knowledge that the manuscript belonged to anyone other than the
- 13:01Speaker 1: man who submitted it. They pulped the remaining copies. Pictured
- 13:05Speaker 1: Donnelly standing at the river's edge at two in the morning,
- 13:09Speaker 1: setting a cardboard box on the bank of the enend
- 13:11Speaker 1: and waiting for the current to claim it. He could
- 13:14Speaker 1: have shredded the correspondence. He could have burned the copies. Instead,
- 13:18Speaker 1: he drove to a river south of Route nine with
- 13:20Speaker 1: a box of evidence, set it down and left. That
- 13:23Speaker 1: choice tells something about how he understood his own position,
- 13:27Speaker 1: as if the most important thing was not to destroy
- 13:29Speaker 1: the evidence, but to no longer be in the same
- 13:32Speaker 1: room as it.
- 13:33Speaker 2: Walk through what the paper.
- 13:34Speaker 1: Trail establishes and one version of events assembles itself almost automatically.
- 13:41Speaker 1: Donnelly identified a writer of genuine ability. He constructed a
- 13:45Speaker 1: credential set the web site, the verifiable clients, the workshop
- 13:50Speaker 1: invitation sufficient to pass a careful person's inspection. He engineered
- 13:55Speaker 1: a contract clause that would give him legal standing to
- 13:58Speaker 1: claim authorship if Section seven's language where ever, exercised. He
- 14:03Speaker 1: then created a two year channel of access to Ronda's
- 14:06Speaker 1: work through her employer bypassing her entirely. He submitted the
- 14:11Speaker 1: manuscript as his own, altered the dedication, and used his
- 14:15Speaker 1: real name on the cover, not anonymously as himself. That
- 14:19Speaker 1: last part is where the version you are most likely
- 14:22Speaker 1: holding in your head right now meets a problem. The
- 14:25Speaker 1: most intuitive reading of this case is that Donnelly was
- 14:29Speaker 1: running a fraud designed to stay hidden, that he planned
- 14:32Speaker 1: to sell a book under a stolen name and disappear
- 14:36Speaker 1: before anyone could connect the manuscript to its real author.
- 14:39Speaker 1: That reading makes sense of almost every choice he made.
- 14:43Speaker 1: The buried contract clause, the slow management of Ronda's perception,
- 14:48Speaker 1: the two year cultivation of access through the dental office,
- 14:52Speaker 1: but it does not survive. The publication Donnelly published under
- 14:56Speaker 1: his real name, with his real photograph on the jacket.
- 15:00Speaker 1: A Thousand Small Surrenders was not a scheme to vanish
- 15:03Speaker 1: with royalties. The Kansas City Press ran modest print rights,
- 15:07Speaker 1: and the financial return would have been limited. If concealment
- 15:11Speaker 1: was the goal, Publication under his own identity was the
- 15:15Speaker 1: single worst mechanism for achieving it. Stephanie Vance found the
- 15:19Speaker 1: listing inside weeks. The version that accounts for this is
- 15:23Speaker 1: harder to hold, but it fits the evidence more clean.
- 15:28Speaker 2: What Donnelly appears.
- 15:29Speaker 1: To have been constructing was not a theft designed to disappear.
- 15:33Speaker 1: It was a replacement. He wanted to be the author
- 15:37Speaker 1: of this specific book on record with a photograph under
- 15:41Speaker 1: a name that was his own. The section seven clause
- 15:44Speaker 1: was not an exit strategy. It was the architecture of
- 15:47Speaker 1: a claim. He had spent two years not just taking
- 15:51Speaker 1: the manuscript, but building a paper trail that could, if challenged,
- 15:56Speaker 1: support an argument that he had provided substantive editorial development
- 16:00Speaker 1: and therefore.
- 16:01Speaker 2: Held co author rights under the agreement NDA sign.
- 16:04Speaker 1: He was not running from the authorship. He was trying
- 16:07Speaker 1: to inhabit it permanent that reframes the storage unit. A
- 16:11Speaker 1: thief who intends to disappear does not keep every annotated
- 16:16Speaker 1: draft in a climate controlled space register under a shell mat.
- 16:21Speaker 1: He keeps them because they are evidence of.
- 16:23Speaker 2: His editorial involvement.
- 16:25Speaker 1: They are the proof that Section seven was exercised. The
- 16:28Speaker 1: material in that Omaha unit was not stolen goods waiting
- 16:32Speaker 1: to be destroyed. It was documentation waiting to be produced.
- 16:36Speaker 1: If Ronda ever came forward and contested the attribution the
- 16:40Speaker 1: river Run. Then was not panic at the theft being discovered.
- 16:44Speaker 1: It was panic at something else. That the documentation strategy
- 16:48Speaker 1: had failed, that Keller was already following the paper, that
- 16:52Speaker 1: the thing he had preserved as his defense had become
- 16:55Speaker 1: the clearest record of his method. Barbara Fenn understood none
- 17:00Speaker 1: of this.
- 17:00Speaker 2: In twenty eleven.
- 17:02Speaker 1: She had given four years of personal essays to an
- 17:05Speaker 1: agent named R. Delmaw. She had been told she was
- 17:09Speaker 1: being paranoid when she questioned him. Her case was civil,
- 17:13Speaker 1: not criminal, and it closed without resolution. A DNA comparison
- 17:18Speaker 1: run through the Nebraska State Lab six months after Donnelly's
- 17:22Speaker 1: sentencing matched him to the R.
- 17:23Speaker 2: Delmore alias.
- 17:25Speaker 1: September two, thoy nineteen, the Wichita case reopened. Ronda had
- 17:30Speaker 1: not known about Barbara Fenn. Barbara Fenn had not known
- 17:33Speaker 1: about Ronda. Two women years apart, told by the same
- 17:37Speaker 1: man that their own perception was the problem, that the
- 17:40Speaker 1: thing they were seeing clearly was something they had imagined.
- 17:44Speaker 1: Donnelly was charged with fraud, identity theft, and copyright infringement.
- 17:49Speaker 2: He entered a plea.
- 17:50Speaker 1: The original twenty six month sentence was reduced to eighteen months,
- 17:55Speaker 1: with restitution ordered. The Kansas City Independent Press co operated fully.
- 18:01Speaker 1: Keller's investigation confirmed the publisher had.
- 18:03Speaker 2: Been deceived, not recruited.
- 18:06Speaker 1: The remaining copies were pulked, the rights to the manuscript
- 18:09Speaker 1: reverted in full to Ronda Rice. A different publisher acquired
- 18:14Speaker 1: the book the following year. In spring twenty twenty one,
- 18:17Speaker 1: A Thousand Small Surrenders was published under Ronda Rice's name,
- 18:22Speaker 1: her name on the cover. The composition notebook she had
- 18:26Speaker 1: kept under her bed since high school was still intact.
- 18:29Speaker 1: It had never left her possession. Donnelly had worked entirely
- 18:33Speaker 1: from digital files she had sent him in good faith,
- 18:36Speaker 1: which meant the original document, handwritten, dated undeniable, and had
- 18:42Speaker 1: been in her apartment the entire time he was calling
- 18:45Speaker 1: her paranoid. That notebook became the anchor of Keller's case,
- 18:50Speaker 1: not the banker's box, not the storage unit, The notebook
- 18:54Speaker 1: she had never given away. There is one detail in
- 18:57Speaker 1: the acknowledgments of the twenty twenty one edition That Stops
- 19:00Speaker 1: a Reader Cold. Ronda thanked two holland Lop rabbits by name,
- 19:05Speaker 1: Tess and Clover. Both had been with her through the writing,
- 19:09Speaker 1: through the workshop, through the years of silence and doubt.
- 19:13Speaker 2: Tess had died of old age before the book came out.
- 19:17Speaker 2: Clover was still alive.
- 19:19Speaker 1: It is a small thing, the kind of thing that
- 19:21Speaker 1: belongs in a memoir about a life that was nearly
- 19:24Speaker 1: taken from its author by a man who understood exactly
- 19:28Speaker 1: how to make a person distrust her own mind. Donnelly
- 19:32Speaker 1: had not stolen a document. He had constructed a slow erosion,
- 19:36Speaker 1: a workshop, a clause, a word repeated until it hollowed
- 19:40Speaker 1: out the person it was aimed at. Barbara Fenn lost
- 19:43Speaker 1: four years of personal essays and walked away from a
- 19:46Speaker 1: civil case without resolution. Ronda Rice lost nearly three years
- 19:51Speaker 1: of her name on her own work. The word both
- 19:54Speaker 1: of them heard when they questioned what was happening was
- 19:57Speaker 1: the same word, paranoid. That word was the method, not
- 20:02Speaker 1: a coincidence, not a tendency, a tool Donnelly had used
- 20:06Speaker 1: before and used again, and it worked both times, until
- 20:09Speaker 1: a box of books ended up stranded on the bank
- 20:12Speaker 1: of the Ennith River at the wrong moment. What stands
- 20:14Speaker 1: at the end of this case is not complicated. A
- 20:18Speaker 1: woman wrote a memoir, a man read it, decided it
- 20:22Speaker 1: was worth stealing, and spent two years building a legal
- 20:25Speaker 1: architecture to make the theft look like a collaboration. He
- 20:29Speaker 1: failed because a river ran high after rain. He failed
- 20:32Speaker 1: because a former roommate was browsing an Indie Press catalog
- 20:35Speaker 1: on a Tuesday evening. He failed because a fisherman went
- 20:39Speaker 1: out before sunrise on March fourth. RNDA Rice's book exists.
- 20:44Speaker 2: It has her name on it.
- 20:46Speaker 1: Every sentence in it belongs to her that should never
- 20:49Speaker 1: have been in question. The fact that it was, and
- 20:52Speaker 1: that it was made to feel like a question she
- 20:55Speaker 1: was wrong to ask, is the part of this story
- 20:58Speaker 1: that does not leave quietly. This show is made by
- 21:02Speaker 1: Obo Media.