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Sharri | 30 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on twenty four You're watching Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Tonight.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Fauci, the face of the pandemic, pleads the Fifth
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Speaker 3: one hundred and eleven times.
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Speaker 2: We don't plead the fifth.
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Speaker 3: If you're innocent, We'll cross to the US and unravel
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Speaker 3: Fauchi's cover ups and secrets. The Safety Commissioner refuses to
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Speaker 3: condemn the ABC for its violent segment on Gina Reinhardt.
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Speaker 3: Nationals leader Matt Canavan will be on the show to
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Speaker 3: tear into the hypocrisy and devorce rates are up in
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Speaker 3: the past year and fewer couples are tying the knot.
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Speaker 3: Demographer Mark McCrindle will explain where the love has gone
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Speaker 3: a little later, but first, we were expecting a showdown
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Speaker 3: today when Anthony Fauci fronted the United States Senate. We
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Speaker 3: hoped for some accountability, even answers, but.
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Speaker 2: Fauci fascically pleaded.
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Speaker 3: The Fifth one hundred and eleven times. Yes, one hundred
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Speaker 3: and eleven.
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Speaker 4: Although it pains me to do so because of the
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Speaker 4: respect I have for the legislative branch of government and
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Speaker 4: my decades long record of cooperating with Congress. Under the
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Speaker 4: advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under
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Speaker 4: the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering
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Speaker 4: your questions. On the advisive Council, I respectfully declined.
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Speaker 5: To answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment
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Speaker 5: to the Constitution. Under the Advisive Council, I respectfully declined
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Speaker 5: to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment
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Speaker 5: to the Constitution.
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Speaker 3: The only reason he would plead the fifth is to
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Speaker 3: avoid self incrimination because he's worried about being thrown in jail.
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Speaker 2: But this is the man who.
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Speaker 3: Devised the entire COVID strategy of vaccinations, lockdowns, who covered
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Speaker 3: up the likely lab of the virus, and he clearly
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Speaker 3: has a lot to hide. Otherwise he'd be up front,
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Speaker 3: he'd answer the questions. But he took the fifth on
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Speaker 3: the advice of his extremely expensive legal counsel. His non
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Speaker 3: answers became so bicycle that one senator asked him this
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Speaker 3: series of questions.
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Speaker 6: Let's show something.
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Speaker 7: What day of the week is it today, what color
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Speaker 7: tie you're wearing, what color is the carpet in front
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Speaker 7: of you?
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Speaker 2: And he took the fifth on each occasion.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is the man who the world was relying
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Speaker 3: on for its supposedly expert medical advice. Fauci's very real
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Speaker 3: fear of being prosecuted, in part for secretly funding risky
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Speaker 3: research in Wuhan and then covering it up, is why
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Speaker 3: President Joe Biden pardoned him with a pardon stretching back
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Speaker 3: to twenty fourteen, and Fauci was asked of this part
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Speaker 3: in today.
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Speaker 8: This is the pardon you have heard so much about.
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Speaker 8: This pardon goes back to and if you'll see January
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Speaker 8: the first of twenty fourteen, did you talk to President
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Speaker 8: Biden and ask for this pardon. I'm just very interested
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Speaker 8: in why it was this date. Did it have anything
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Speaker 8: to do with the fact that twenty fourteen was also
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Speaker 8: the year that the niaid NIH began funding EcoHealth alliances
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Speaker 8: understanding the risk of back coronavirus emergence grant.
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Speaker 3: Now, these are revelations that we first exposed right here.
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Speaker 3: I reported that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was conducting
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Speaker 3: risky research in this front page in April twenty twenty,
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Speaker 3: and that was the first of many front pages on
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Speaker 3: this topic over six years ago. But then I was
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Speaker 3: shocked to discover that this research was being funded by
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Speaker 3: America and one of our reports said that Anthony Fauci's
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Speaker 3: National Institute of Health and other US agencies funded sixty
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Speaker 3: five scientific projects at the Wuhan Institute of Virology over
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Speaker 3: the past decade, many involving risky research on back coronaviruses.
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Speaker 3: The American funding was flowing through to the Wuhan lab,
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Speaker 3: which houses the world's largest collection of coronavirus samples, even
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Speaker 3: when gainer function research was banned in the United States,
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Speaker 3: so Fauci was funneling the money through another group called.
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Speaker 2: The Eco Health Alliance.
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Speaker 3: He knew the risks, he knew them personally, and we
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Speaker 3: know that he did because he admitted it in this
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Speaker 3: little known interview.
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Speaker 1: So it was incumbent upon us to study the animal
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Speaker 1: human interface and to understand what potential these viruses have
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Speaker 1: of infecting humans, which then might damage the United States.
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Speaker 1: Please let me finish. So you don't want I want
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Speaker 1: to go to whole Boken, New Jersey, or to Fairfax,
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Speaker 1: Virginia to be studying the bat human interface. That might
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Speaker 1: lead to an outbreak. So you go to China.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that is just such a crucial sentence. You
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Speaker 3: don't want to go to Hoboka, New Jersey to study
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Speaker 3: the back to human interface, you go to China. So
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Speaker 3: that is where the top public health official in America
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Speaker 3: did this risky coronavirus research in China because, as he said, there,
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Speaker 3: he was worried about an outbreak. The problem, of course,
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Speaker 3: is that virus has spread globally, and the COVID nineteen outbreak,
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Speaker 3: of course, wasn't limited to China. It reached every corner
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Speaker 3: of the earth, something Fauci should have known. But he
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Speaker 3: argued way back in twenty twelve in this paper, I
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Speaker 3: discovered that gain of function research was worth the risk
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Speaker 3: of sparking a pandemic. His own words, he wrote in
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Speaker 3: the American Society for Microbiology in October twenty twelve. He said, this,
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Speaker 3: in an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if
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Speaker 3: that scientist becomes infected with the virus which leads to
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Speaker 3: an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic, He said, scientists
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Speaker 3: working in this field might say, as indeed, I have said,
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Speaker 3: that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge
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Speaker 3: out weigh the risks.
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Speaker 2: And he also said that.
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Speaker 3: Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important
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Speaker 3: research progress could come to a halt just because of
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Speaker 3: the fear that someone somewhere might attempt to replicate these
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Speaker 3: experiments sloppily.
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Speaker 2: So Fauci was.
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Speaker 3: At the forefront of arguing for this risky research, even
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Speaker 3: if it led to a pandemic, which my research suggests
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Speaker 3: that's exactly what happened. It led to the creation of
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Speaker 3: the pandemic, global shutdowns, and then millions of deaths now round.
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Speaker 2: Paul the Senator who.
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Speaker 3: Uncovered who's subpoened Fauci's personal diaries? Will he try to
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Speaker 3: ask Fauchi about all of this today?
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Speaker 9: Do you think that the risks really are worth the
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Speaker 9: benefits for gain of function research.
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Speaker 5: On the adviceive Council, I respectfully declined to answer, based
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Speaker 5: upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution,
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Speaker 5: and on.
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Speaker 3: It went, I mean, it's too tedious to play the
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Speaker 3: one hundred and eleven times he said that. But Fauci
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Speaker 3: was also involved in silencing the Lablik theory by having
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Speaker 3: a group of scientists write an academic paper claiming that
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Speaker 3: the virus was of natural origin, but their private emails
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Speaker 3: told a different story. They were unconvinced, and Vauci also
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Speaker 3: lifted the ban on risky gain of function research, the
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Speaker 3: ban that had been in place since the Obama era,
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Speaker 3: and he didn't seem to tell anyone that he'd done this.
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Speaker 3: Are you concerned at all about how it happened that
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Speaker 3: the gain of function ban was lifted during the Trump administration?
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Speaker 3: How was it that Anthony Fauci was able to do
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Speaker 3: this without anyone knowing?
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Speaker 10: Well, I don't know for sure who all was involved
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Speaker 10: in that decision making process. I can say this much,
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Speaker 10: when we look back and figured how that decision was made,
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Speaker 10: I hope that all of those parties were able to
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Speaker 10: come to the table, express their viewpoints, their concerns, so
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Speaker 10: that we had not only a decision, but an informed
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Speaker 10: decision that was made. I've seen very little evidence today
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Speaker 10: that there was a broad based information exchange before the
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Speaker 10: decision was made by doctor Fauci to lift that ban
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Speaker 10: on gain of function research, and.
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Speaker 3: That was Secretary of State Mike Pompeio. But even President
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Speaker 3: Trump was none the wiser about why Fauci had lifted
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Speaker 3: this ban on the dangerous research, or why he was
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Speaker 3: doing it in China.
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Speaker 11: Mister President Anthony Fauci, did he ever once mention to
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Speaker 11: you that the Wuhn Institute of Virology was genetically manipulating coronaviruses.
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Speaker 9: Well, no, he didn't. And you know, Anthony's been in
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Speaker 9: government for many, many years. Is a bureaucratic kind of
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Speaker 9: a guy, a very great promoter. I give him an
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Speaker 9: A plus as a promoter and probably a SI or
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Speaker 9: a D as a doctor.
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Speaker 3: We now know from emails that have been released under
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Speaker 3: the Freedom of Information Act that he was getting his
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Speaker 3: advice from the likes of Peter Dazek, a wu Han collaborator.
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Speaker 3: At the same time, he was telling you that this
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Speaker 3: was a natural virus, while at the same time, behind
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Speaker 3: the scenes in emails, he was having discussions about whether
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Speaker 3: this might have been genetically manipulated.
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Speaker 1: Does that shock you?
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Speaker 9: Well, he was with them, certainly, and my thing was
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Speaker 9: a little bit different. I just wanted to stop it,
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Speaker 9: whether it developed one way or the other, I just
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Speaker 9: wanted to stop it.
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Speaker 3: But it's important to know where it came from. It's
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Speaker 3: extremely important to know how it developed.
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Speaker 9: Fauci was dealing with them, and I guess they were
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Speaker 9: even making payments for certain kinds of research, and I
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Speaker 9: ended that too. I stopped that when we found out
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Speaker 9: about that. He was doing that during the Obama years,
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Speaker 9: and when I found out about it, I said, can
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Speaker 9: you imagine that the United States is making payments to
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Speaker 9: a Chinese lab? So just that on his face didn't
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Speaker 9: make sense, but I stopped that.
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Speaker 3: The Obama administration did hit pause on gain of function research, though,
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Speaker 3: and that was lifted under your watch. Why did you
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Speaker 3: allow the gain of function research to continue?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 9: I think probably people that worked for me looked at it,
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Speaker 9: and at one point they might have done that, But
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Speaker 9: ultimately what we did was we shut it off. We
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Speaker 9: shut the whole thing off, and we stopped making payments
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Speaker 9: that were approved much earlier than our administration.
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Speaker 3: Do you regret now not playing closer attention? I mean,
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Speaker 3: this gain of function research is extremely risky, you know,
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Speaker 3: banned under the Obama administration and then kickstarted in twenty
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Speaker 3: seventeen under your watch.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: No, I think we've done an incredible job. Between the
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Speaker 9: vaccine and between all of the operation warp Speed. I
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Speaker 9: think we did a great job, and people are now
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Speaker 9: starting to see what a great job we did.
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Speaker 3: I think President Trump is much more across the detail now,
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Speaker 3: and in his current term, he actually signed an executive
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Speaker 3: order banning gainer function research. But there's so much detail
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Speaker 3: to this story, so many questions that need answers, more
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Speaker 3: documents that need to emerge. But given Fauci's refusal to
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Speaker 3: answer questions today, it seems he wants to take those
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Speaker 3: answers to the grave. He seems disinterested in accountability, tegrity,
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Speaker 3: honesty or transparency. As his diary entry suggest, he was
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Speaker 3: mostly attracted to the fame, fortune and celebrity instead of
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Speaker 3: worrying more about the death toll. He was excited about
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Speaker 3: how well attended his pandemic press conferences would be. But
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Speaker 3: Fauci isn't the only one escaping scrutiny. Where has been
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Speaker 3: the attempt to seek answers from the Chinese government? I
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Speaker 3: doubt our Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi has ever raised this
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Speaker 3: issue with Chinese President Shijingping, despite their numerous cozy meats
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Speaker 3: quite chummy. The only reason Australia's relationship with China soured
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Speaker 3: in the first place was because Scott Morrison dared to
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Speaker 3: suggest there should be an inquiry into how the virus started.
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Speaker 3: He had courage and common sense. Albinizi has neither, And
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Speaker 3: for anyone who suggests the cog question isn't important all
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Speaker 3: it most certainly is both for justice for the victims
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Speaker 3: and to ensure this never happens again. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: think of a virus like COVID nineteen led to global
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Speaker 3: shutdowns and millions of deaths, Imagine the terrible damage a
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Speaker 3: far more deadly.
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Speaker 2: Virus could reak.
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Speaker 3: right for more on this now, I'm joined by gb
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Speaker 3: News US correspondent and a big follower of Fauchi's case,
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Speaker 3: Ben Leo. Ben, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: Look only four years ago. Have a look at what
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Speaker 3: Fauci said.
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Speaker 5: I am very happy to testify before any Congressional oversight committee.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to do what I need to do, and
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Speaker 5: there does cooperate fully because we have nothing to hide
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Speaker 5: at all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had nothing to hide it all then, Ben,
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Speaker 3: But you know one hundred and eleven times playing the
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Speaker 3: fifth he must have something to hide now.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Hey, Sherry, good to be with you. Yeah, isn't
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Speaker 12: it ironic? From I am the science to I am
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Speaker 12: the silence in just a couple of years. Fauci is
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Speaker 12: now also, by the way, quite funny if it, you know,
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Speaker 12: disturbing as well a fan of constitutional rights, when you know,
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Speaker 12: just five or six years ago he was the one
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Speaker 12: who was making up social distancing rules, having happy to
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Speaker 12: have two three four year old children masked in nurseries
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Speaker 12: all across America, in preschools, kindergartens. But that's the thing
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Speaker 12: with the truth, they always say, it's the sort of
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Speaker 12: the age old adage, which is what's the difference between
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Speaker 12: the conspiracy theory and the truth. Normally it's about six months.
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Speaker 12: In this case it's six years. But Anthony Fauci shouldn't
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Speaker 12: be the only person up for the chopping block when
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Speaker 12: it comes to being quizzed and interrogated on what happened
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Speaker 12: during COVID. As you rightly said, economy is destroyed and
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Speaker 12: they're still feeling the effects. Now completely destroyed, children's education financed.
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Speaker 12: The United States, for example, they printed a third, get this,
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Speaker 12: a third of their entire US money supply in just
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Speaker 12: two years, in just twenty four months. And people wonder
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Speaker 12: why the world is now ravaged by inflation. You had
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Speaker 12: in Australia, Sharry, the likes of who we called and
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Speaker 12: maybe you did as well. Dictator Dan Dan Andrew is
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Speaker 12: the Premier of Victoria. He needs to be put forward
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Speaker 12: in front of a committee to answer questions. Chris Whitty,
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Speaker 12: the UK medical chief here in England, who was also
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Speaker 12: pushing all this nonsense as well, the likes of just
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Speaker 12: Cinda rah Dern back in the day, who if you
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Speaker 12: remember she took to the cameras and said, the only
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Speaker 12: source of truth when it comes to COVID is from
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Speaker 12: the government. Everybody else should be shunned. And this is
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Speaker 12: what found you did. He ran a network, a cabal
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Speaker 12: of paid for cronies and corporations to silence dissenters through
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Speaker 12: fear with money, through dodgy partnerships, to ensure that only
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Speaker 12: his way of going forward with COVID was acceptable anybody else.
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Speaker 12: For example, the authors of the Great Barancing Declaration, which
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Speaker 12: was a worldwide declaration talking about the possibility of herd immunity.
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Speaker 12: Everybody who signed that, and indeed doctor J. Bachetaria was
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Speaker 12: exiled from the scientific community. Again Fauci said, and what
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Speaker 12: a joke it is now looking back at this fountc said,
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Speaker 12: I am the science. He's not the science. He's a liar,
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Speaker 12: he's a weasel. He's got a track record of doing
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Speaker 12: some extraordinary disgusting experiments. For example, I mean, excuse me
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Speaker 12: for the detail on this, but using aborted baby scalps
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Speaker 12: to sow onto the back of mice to see if
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Speaker 12: their hair would grow.
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Speaker 3: I saw he was questioned by one of the senators
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Speaker 3: on that today, but I actually hadn't heard of that before,
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Speaker 3: so I've been meaning to go and look into that
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Speaker 3: in fact check it ben his diaries. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: mentioned the vaccination program there. Fauci's newly released private diaries
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Speaker 3: also contain a mention of the adverse reaction he had
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Speaker 3: to the vaccine after he took it on live television,
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Speaker 3: but he'd never made that public before. I mean, do
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Speaker 3: you think I'm going to get through a few different
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Speaker 3: things with you so just quickly. Do you think this
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Speaker 3: is something he should have been upfront with with the
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Speaker 3: rest of the world.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, you want to talk about transparency and truth. He
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Speaker 12: got a pulmonary infection from his Maderna vaccine, which is
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Speaker 12: one of the main side effects, also potentially causes myocard isis,
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Speaker 12: which Fauci wrote that he was suffering from he didn't
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Speaker 12: tell the American people anything. In fact, he went back
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Speaker 12: on the airwaves and told people that if they didn't
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Speaker 12: get injected with this so called vaccine to protect Granny,
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Speaker 12: then they were the shame of the United States. And
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Speaker 12: by the way, just to add to that, Pisa again,
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Speaker 12: Faucci never told you this. Pfiser, for example, never even
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Speaker 12: tested the transmission. So governments all around the world knew this, Sharon.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, Fauchi today was hiding behind his atto so extensively,
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Speaker 3: and even the lawyer started giving testimony at one point
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Speaker 3: that he was then sensationally kicked out of the hearing.
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Speaker 1: Have a look, and now you're disrupting the proceedings.
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Speaker 9: And so look, this is the way aftery Fauci wants
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Speaker 9: to be remembering security, please remove him from the room.
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Speaker 7: Let the records stay that dark.
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Speaker 9: Fauci will still have the advice of the other half
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Speaker 9: a dozen attorneys that he brought along today.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that was quite the moment. But Ben, no
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Speaker 3: highly paid lawyers can say Fauci here. The only thing
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Speaker 3: that can is if he is upfront?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, will he be upfront? I mean, we have his
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Speaker 12: diaries courtesy of RFK Jr. Who I mean Fauci in
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Speaker 12: his stupidity for somebody who thought he was a genius
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Speaker 12: and loved worldwide. He wrote those diaries on government servers
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Speaker 12: and that's why Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Was able to
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Speaker 12: access them. So he's not as clever as he thinks
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Speaker 12: he is. The only thing he's got in his pocket,
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Speaker 12: Sharry is, as you've mentioned this pardon from Joe Biden,
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Speaker 12: why was he pardoned if he did nothing wrong? And
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Speaker 12: why that pardon go all the way back to twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 12: as you quite rightly said, which was of the year
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Speaker 12: that Faucci's National Institute of Health Health started gain a
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Speaker 12: function research in China. So, if you've got nothing to hide,
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Speaker 12: and as he showed in that clip, he said, it
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Speaker 12: goes in front of a congressional committee any time. If
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Speaker 12: you've got nothing to hide, you'd go there and you'd
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Speaker 12: be honest and open up to answers. But do you
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Speaker 12: know what, by pleading the fifth one hundred and eleven times,
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Speaker 12: by staying silent yesterday in Congress just down the road,
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Speaker 12: he answered all the questions we had anyway by staying silent.
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Speaker 12: He's answered them all, Sharon.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a pity in a way that the
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Speaker 3: US senators didn't anticipate that he might have pleaded the
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Speaker 3: fifth because there is an argument that, given he has
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Speaker 3: this pardon from Biden, that he can't then go and
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Speaker 3: plead the fifth because the pardon already protects him from
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Speaker 3: any self incrimination. But it didn't seem like they were
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Speaker 3: prepared with that argument. Ben Fauci also refused to answer
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Speaker 3: questions about using government and employees to solicit around a
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Speaker 3: million dollars in cash awards. So that was pretty interesting
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Speaker 3: as well, that he made money from the pandemic, and
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Speaker 3: it was you know, I mean, I shuddered to read
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Speaker 3: the detail of the sort of organizations around the world
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Speaker 3: that gave him so much money, you know, for his
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Speaker 3: courage and leadership during the pandemic.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, look, this happens, and this is a pertinent point. Actually,
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Speaker 12: this happens with all leading corporations, pharmaceutical companies, people like
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Speaker 12: doctor Anthony Founci, who were so entwined with not just
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Speaker 12: their government, work with massive corporations as well. Money's flowing
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Speaker 12: back and forth between different organizations, different companies. If you
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Speaker 12: look at Jonathan Van Tam who is the Deputy Chief
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Speaker 12: Medical Officer here in England. He was leading the charge
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Speaker 12: with Chris Whitty during COVID doing the same sort of
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Speaker 12: stuff that Faunci was. Get vaccinated. Even if you don't
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Speaker 12: need it, your health profile doesn't fit because you need
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Speaker 12: to protect granny. Where is he working now? Shari Any
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Speaker 12: guesses he's working at Maderna in a massive consult see
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Speaker 12: roll on millions and millions of pounds. So follow the
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Speaker 12: money in all of this, and I will say, as
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Speaker 12: a last point, what else could this be happening with?
21:07
Speaker 12: Which are the topics or policies or issues of today
21:11
Speaker 12: where we're looking at scientists, leading scientists like Anthony Founci
21:15
Speaker 12: was considered five six years ago the leading experts of
21:18
Speaker 12: the world who are pushing certain policies or topics. Let's
21:21
Speaker 12: talk about climate change and who were the voices who
21:24
Speaker 12: are dissenting, who were being silenced. Just something to think about.
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Speaker 3: No, I agree, and for me personally, because I spent
21:29
Speaker 3: you know, more than two years unraveling every piece of
21:32
Speaker 3: it when the authorities were telling you something completely different.
21:35
Speaker 3: I mean, you just have to question everything. You can't
21:38
Speaker 3: really believe. I mean, terrible thing to say, but you
21:41
Speaker 3: know you do. You have to question everything, establish the
21:44
Speaker 3: facts for yourself as a journalist in any case.
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Speaker 2: All right, Ben Leo, thanks for your time, and I'm.
21:49
Speaker 3: Going to come back to that topic with us Right
21:51
Speaker 3: to Know co founder Gary Ruskin a bit later. He's
21:54
Speaker 3: spent the past six years pursuing.
21:57
Speaker 2: The truth through the COTS.
21:59
Speaker 3: But no, let's get to some of the other big
22:01
Speaker 3: news today. And Albanizi government ministers are defending themselves over
22:05
Speaker 3: the way they politicized and weaponized Britney Higgins's rape.
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Speaker 13: The Commonwealth has settled a workplace lawsuit brought by A.
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Speaker 13: Fiona Brown in relation to the Brittney Higgins allegations. Do
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Speaker 13: you and other senior members of Labor have any regrets
22:20
Speaker 13: over the way that you handled that matter and the
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Speaker 13: allegations that were around at that time.
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Speaker 12: I think the questions we asked during that time were
22:28
Speaker 12: entirely appropriate.
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Speaker 3: And Katie Gallagher, as your recall, was one of the
22:35
Speaker 3: key ministers who pushed the allegations of a cover up,
22:39
Speaker 3: allegations that turned out to be completely false. Now, the
22:44
Speaker 3: person who has avoided out of all of this has
22:47
Speaker 3: avoided answering or providing information about your state of knowledge
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Speaker 3: or any statis relating to this matter.
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Speaker 1: How dare you order?
22:57
Speaker 3: Now?
22:58
Speaker 1: Will you.
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Speaker 3: Just awful the way they behaved? All right, let's bring
23:04
Speaker 3: in tonight's Paddle News twenty four hosts Diick, Kayla Bond
23:07
Speaker 3: and Farmer Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you.
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Speaker 3: Both, I mean, Holly, this was clearly weaponized against the
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Speaker 3: Van Morrison government, but no apology or contrition.
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Speaker 14: No, it was disgusting. And I was in that estimate's
23:20
Speaker 14: hearings that Katie Gallagher and Penny One coming to. They
23:23
Speaker 14: had never bothered to turn up to a Community Affairs
23:26
Speaker 14: Senate Budget Estimates hearing ever, and then they came in
23:30
Speaker 14: and launched an assault on Senator Reynolds. That assault continued
23:34
Speaker 14: in the Senate chamber for months on end until Linda
23:38
Speaker 14: suffered incredible health consequences from the sustained attacks. What was
23:43
Speaker 14: done to Fiona Brown was appalling. This needed to be settled.
23:48
Speaker 14: It should have been settled years ago. They still need
23:50
Speaker 14: to settle. Linda Reynolds claim. Their behavior as a government
23:54
Speaker 14: has been disgusting. So many people's lives have been ruined
23:58
Speaker 14: and they knew exactly what they were doing, and we
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Speaker 14: knowed out more and more as the court cases unraveled.
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Speaker 3: Caleb also no transparency over that two point four million
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Speaker 3: dollar payment to Britney Higgins.
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Speaker 15: Indeed, I mean, the whole thing stinks right. The reason
24:15
Speaker 15: that Katie Gallaher won't apologize is because she doesn't feel
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Speaker 15: she needs to apologize because it did exactly what she
24:23
Speaker 15: and others in the Labor Party wanted it to do,
24:26
Speaker 15: which was that it created a hit for the Morrison
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Speaker 15: government at the time. They weaponized what was at the
24:33
Speaker 15: time an alleged rape for political means and they got
24:37
Speaker 15: what they wanted out of it. They managed to ruin
24:39
Speaker 15: Linda Reynolds's career and her health in the process, as
24:43
Speaker 15: Holly has just mentioned, they ruined Fiona Brown's career, they
24:47
Speaker 15: did damage to the Morrison government. In Miss Gallaher's mind,
24:52
Speaker 15: this was simply what had to be done. So no,
24:55
Speaker 15: she'll never apologize for it. They won't apologize nor give
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Speaker 15: us any detail about the two point four million dollars
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Speaker 15: that was handed over to Britney Higgins, and they never
25:03
Speaker 15: will because again, it just cleaned up that issue for
25:06
Speaker 15: them very conveniently, the cost was really of no concern
25:09
Speaker 15: to them. I mean, this was the mean girls in
25:12
Speaker 15: full action, and they will never be held accountable.
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Speaker 2: I suspect, and of course I mean too long to
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Speaker 2: go into.
25:19
Speaker 3: But this of course linked into how they allegedly treated
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Speaker 3: the late Senator Kimberley Kitching, who is said to have
25:27
Speaker 3: tried to warn Linda Reynolds about what was going on,
25:30
Speaker 3: and then Kimberly Kitchen felt that.
25:33
Speaker 2: She was bullied in return.
25:35
Speaker 3: All right, well let's look at this ISIS fighters and
25:38
Speaker 3: the return of the ISIS fighters. Now, Pauline Hanson has
25:41
Speaker 3: sent crossbenchers a twenty two page plan to stop the
25:45
Speaker 3: return of the ISIS fighters. This was exposed in The
25:48
Speaker 3: Australian today. The plan would do a few things. It
25:52
Speaker 3: would create a foreign terrorist fighter exclusion order. It would
25:56
Speaker 3: stop the automatic issue of return permits while the cod
25:59
Speaker 3: is considering it case. It would make it harder to
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Speaker 3: get bail for terror fences and would also block pass
26:06
Speaker 3: spots for anyone on an exclusion order. Now Pauline claims
26:11
Speaker 3: this is quite proof, but the Home Affairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 3: Burke had this to say on all the.
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Speaker 16: Advice that I've had something like what's being proposed here
26:22
Speaker 16: at last about thirty seconds in the High Court. Every
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Speaker 16: country in the world has to accept back its own citizens.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Holly, you're officially one nation. Now, what do
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Speaker 3: you think of Pauline's plan?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think what she's saying, and what is really
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Speaker 14: important is temporary exclusion orders never even been tested in
26:40
Speaker 14: the court. So the fact that Tony Burke's saying the
26:42
Speaker 14: High Court would throw it out in thirty seconds, he
26:45
Speaker 14: has absolutely no idea about that. Exclusion orders can be
26:49
Speaker 14: issued for two years and they can be rolling exclusion orders,
26:53
Speaker 14: so they effectively can keep these people out of the
26:56
Speaker 14: country already. Yet this government is more concerned about votes
26:59
Speaker 14: in Southwest Sydney and saving the backsides of Burke, Bowen
27:04
Speaker 14: and others in the Southwest Sydney area then they are
27:07
Speaker 14: about protecting Australians from these isis sympathizing Islamic extremists. It's
27:13
Speaker 14: absolutely appalling the way this government is conducting itself. And
27:17
Speaker 14: if they think the High Court should throw it out,
27:20
Speaker 14: I'd be more interested. I'm going to put money on
27:22
Speaker 14: it that they will not even let this bill go
27:25
Speaker 14: forward into an inquiry or potentially even through the procedural
27:29
Speaker 14: stage into a debate, because that is the cowards that
27:33
Speaker 14: this labor government that will cozy up with the Greens
27:35
Speaker 14: will do.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Caleb, it seems like the government's not willing
27:40
Speaker 3: to try different things, different options, because they just say
27:44
Speaker 3: the High Court will throw it out, and it might,
27:46
Speaker 3: but the laws need to be tested because I mean,
27:49
Speaker 3: surely the government should be exploring all options to stop
27:52
Speaker 3: ISIS fighters, actual male fighters from returning, particularly after the
27:58
Speaker 3: terror attacks we've had here well.
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Speaker 15: Indeed, and goes on the peripheries as well, not just
28:02
Speaker 15: the fighters, you know, the women that we've seen come back.
28:05
Speaker 15: When we're talking now about a guy that we thought
28:08
Speaker 15: who was dead, the Jahadi doctor. You know, none of
28:11
Speaker 15: these people, as far as I'm concerned, should ever be
28:14
Speaker 15: allowed back into the country. And as wholly accurately notes,
28:17
Speaker 15: you know, we have means by which we can already
28:19
Speaker 15: do this with the temporary exclusion orders. The government simply
28:22
Speaker 15: doesn't want to do it. So for Tony Burke to say, oh, well,
28:26
Speaker 15: you know this proposal from paul In Hansen in one
28:28
Speaker 15: nation wouldn't last thirty seconds in the High Court, Well,
28:33
Speaker 15: why don't you come up with another plan. I mean,
28:35
Speaker 15: if you're telling me you know it won't last thirty seconds,
28:39
Speaker 15: come up with something that will withstand the High Court,
28:42
Speaker 15: or might even last a minute as opposed to thirty
28:44
Speaker 15: seconds in the High Court, and let's give it a shot.
28:47
Speaker 15: But they don't want to do it. The point is
28:48
Speaker 15: that they don't want to stop these people from coming
28:51
Speaker 15: back to the country, and they will take no effort
28:54
Speaker 15: to do so, because, as Holly notes, it's somewhat in
28:57
Speaker 15: their interests to Geniu flick to some people in Western
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Speaker 15: Sydney and so look, you know, we'll let you have
29:06
Speaker 15: Mumble whoever come back to the country and go about
29:09
Speaker 15: your life because they don't want to deal with the
29:11
Speaker 15: consequences potential fallout of some ethnic community. So it is
29:15
Speaker 15: just a cop out.
29:17
Speaker 3: Look, Caleb, I I mean, you know, I'm so critical
29:20
Speaker 3: of this government. I don't think they actually want the
29:22
Speaker 3: ISIS fighters to come home. I don't think they do,
29:26
Speaker 3: cause I mean from their perspective, it'll probably just cause
29:29
Speaker 3: a media headache. But I don't think they are putting
29:33
Speaker 3: anywhere near enough effort, I mean virtually no effort into
29:37
Speaker 3: stopping them coming back.
29:38
Speaker 2: I think that's really distinction.
29:40
Speaker 15: The unwilling is probably another way to put it.
29:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's have a quick look at Victorian politics.
29:46
Speaker 3: It was day two for the new Premier, Ben Carroll.
29:48
Speaker 3: It wasn't much better than his first day though, with
29:51
Speaker 3: two ministers resigning from cabinet confirming they won't be recontesting
29:55
Speaker 3: the election in November.
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Speaker 2: I mean, holly, this.
30:00
Speaker 3: Was the Liberals, right, because these are two women who resigned,
30:03
Speaker 3: plus the female premier was overthrown. So if this was
30:05
Speaker 3: the Liberals, the Labor Party would be having would be
30:08
Speaker 3: accusing them of having a woman problem.
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Speaker 1: Oh god.
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Speaker 14: I mean, if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't
30:14
Speaker 14: have any standards at all. These people and we know that.
30:17
Speaker 14: I mean, good riddance to both those ministers and just
30:20
Speaker 14: Cintera Allan. Ben Carroll was a senior minister in the
30:23
Speaker 14: cabinet of Andrews and Alan. He's just as complicit as
30:30
Speaker 14: the rest of them. I just absolutely cross my fingers
30:33
Speaker 14: that the Liberal Party doesn't manage to inflict another own
30:38
Speaker 14: goal on themselves between now and November, and that this
30:41
Speaker 14: government actually gets tossed out. They are destroying Victoria and
30:46
Speaker 14: Australia as a whole can't afford to keep bailing them out.
30:49
Speaker 3: Or Jess Wilson does see him like she's working very hard. Caleb,
30:53
Speaker 3: this does look like rats leaving a sinking ship, though
30:56
Speaker 3: you know new premier two days later resignations, of course.
31:00
Speaker 15: I mean they can probably see that the riting on
31:01
Speaker 15: the wall, and good on them, but I am glad
31:04
Speaker 15: that it is in some way dismantling some of the
31:07
Speaker 15: final vestiges of that Andrew's era. I mean, Lily de
31:12
Speaker 15: Ambrosio was the only minister left who had served in
31:16
Speaker 15: the original ones that Dan Andrews had picked in twenty fourteen.
31:19
Speaker 15: Of course, many of them left along the way for
31:21
Speaker 15: various problems that they came across. So if you've got
31:24
Speaker 15: two people who were very close to Alan and Andrews
31:27
Speaker 15: saying we now want to leave Parliament, you know what
31:30
Speaker 15: good ridden sign are.
31:32
Speaker 3: Indeed indeed all right, kayleb Holly, great to see you
31:36
Speaker 3: both still to come Why the divorce rates are rising
31:40
Speaker 3: and marriages are falling? With demographer Mark McCrindle, plus more
31:44
Speaker 3: on Fauci's tongue tied appearance before the US Senate with
31:48
Speaker 3: the man who's been fighting for six years for the
31:51
Speaker 3: release of documents.
31:52
Speaker 2: That's next, and returning.
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Speaker 3: To tonight's top story, Anthony Fauci, the architect of the
32:01
Speaker 3: pandemic response, refusing to answer a single question in the
32:05
Speaker 3: US Senate. Well, Gary Ruskin runs a not for profit
32:08
Speaker 3: group called Right to Know, and he's spent millions of
32:11
Speaker 3: dollars pursuing Fauci's agency, intelligence agencies, and others in the
32:16
Speaker 3: courts trying to obtain documents to find the truth about
32:20
Speaker 3: the origins of the virus. He's in California, and I
32:23
Speaker 3: spoke with him.
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Speaker 2: A little earlier.
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Speaker 3: Gary Ruskin, thank you so much for your time. We
32:29
Speaker 3: were expecting a showdown today with perhaps even some accountability.
32:33
Speaker 3: Were you shocked when Anthony Fauci fascically pleaded the fifth
32:36
Speaker 3: some one hundred and eleven times, You know, I was.
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Speaker 7: Really disappointed, but I was not surprised.
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Speaker 17: It's we've seen Anthony Fauci kind of try to duck
32:48
Speaker 17: questions and stick to fura that he is there favorable
32:52
Speaker 17: to him for a year after year after year, and
32:55
Speaker 17: so so it's unsurprising that when the question and got
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Speaker 17: hot and there were a lot of facts that asked
33:02
Speaker 17: him about, he just wouldn't answer the questions.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's look at what Fauci actually does need to
33:10
Speaker 3: answer for. Firstly, as it relates to the origins of
33:13
Speaker 3: the virus in his agencies, funding of risky gainer function
33:17
Speaker 3: research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology funneled through Eco
33:20
Speaker 3: Health Alliance. And we also saw his panic emails when
33:23
Speaker 3: the virus first broke out. He was worried about the
33:26
Speaker 3: sort of research that the nih had been funding in worhat.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 17: I mean, there are so many things that Fauci and
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Speaker 17: his colleague Francis Collins.
33:38
Speaker 1: Have to.
33:40
Speaker 17: Be able accountable for. Still not yet. I mean, there
33:44
Speaker 17: was the long standing effort by Fauci Collins to deny
33:47
Speaker 17: a research lated origin of Soroskoff too, even though it's
33:50
Speaker 17: perfectly obvious now that we've seen Fauci's diaries that he
33:54
Speaker 17: knew that this was a real possibility. You know, there
34:00
Speaker 17: was a failure to obey the law and responding to
34:02
Speaker 17: Freedom of Information Act requests. There was using use of
34:07
Speaker 17: private email accounts to conduct private business. Fauci told Collins
34:11
Speaker 17: and others to destroy email. You know, we still don't
34:15
Speaker 17: know exactly what was happening in the nih FOY office
34:19
Speaker 17: to hide in buried documents. FACCI had a senior advisor
34:23
Speaker 17: named David Morenz, who has been charged with illegal obfuscation
34:28
Speaker 17: of his records, many of which relate to the origins
34:31
Speaker 17: of COVID nineteen. I've been doing public interest work for
34:34
Speaker 17: nearly forty years now, and in my whole life, NIH
34:39
Speaker 17: is the worst agency at stonewalling obfuscation regarding the origins
34:45
Speaker 17: of sarascript two that I ever seen. And so in
34:49
Speaker 17: addition to what you brought up, there's this whole kind
34:53
Speaker 17: of extensive effort to obfuscate and misdirect, and you know
34:58
Speaker 17: it goes on.
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Speaker 3: So, Gary, looking at Fauci's diary specifically, what did you
35:04
Speaker 3: think was new interesting from those entries?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, to me, there were two things, you know. First
35:09
Speaker 7: was there was a.
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Speaker 17: Glaring disconnect between Fauci's early statement and the diary about
35:15
Speaker 17: how the seafood market was the amplifier, not the source
35:19
Speaker 17: of the virus, which is suggestive of a lab origin
35:22
Speaker 17: of sarscope two, and his later repeated strong stands in
35:28
Speaker 17: support of natural origin of the coronavirus. And then there
35:33
Speaker 17: was also this glaring disconnect between the advice that he
35:37
Speaker 17: was given in the Key Scientist teleconferences in early February
35:42
Speaker 17: that the novel coronavirus.
35:43
Speaker 7: May have had a lab origin, this.
35:45
Speaker 17: Is what they were telling him, and that there was
35:48
Speaker 17: possible deliberate assertion of a here and cleaage site. But
35:52
Speaker 17: you know, you contrast that with his later support of
35:55
Speaker 17: a high likelihood of natural origin of the coronavirus. And
35:59
Speaker 17: so those were the two things that jumped out to me.
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Speaker 3: I mean, given the extent of your fight over this
36:04
Speaker 3: and how the world was deceived, we were told any
36:08
Speaker 3: suggestion of a lab origin of research origin of the
36:11
Speaker 3: virus was a conspiracy. I mean, how do you feel
36:14
Speaker 3: when Fauci pleads the fifth instead of answering serious questions.
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Speaker 17: Well, again, I'm just not that surprised by it, you know.
36:23
Speaker 17: I mean, I've been actually been wondering for quite a
36:27
Speaker 17: while if this day would come. But I think the
36:31
Speaker 17: more important point, it's just after so many lies and
36:34
Speaker 17: so much deceit for so many years, you know, the
36:37
Speaker 17: public just just canon will not stand for for handwaving
36:44
Speaker 17: and gestures like we want to read the documents ourselves,
36:48
Speaker 17: and so it's time for the federal agencies, and it's
36:52
Speaker 17: time for Congress to produce all the documents that they
36:56
Speaker 17: have about the origins of COVID nineteen. You know, President
37:00
Speaker 17: President Trump administration promised us maximum transparency on these issues,
37:05
Speaker 17: and where is it.
37:07
Speaker 3: So what documents precisely do you think the public still
37:11
Speaker 3: needs to see?
37:12
Speaker 6: So?
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Speaker 17: I think that the most interesting ones are ones that
37:17
Speaker 17: are being held by the intelligence community, especially the CIA
37:20
Speaker 17: in the Office of Director of National Intelligence. You know,
37:23
Speaker 17: we have many for your requests, some for litigation right
37:27
Speaker 17: now targeting those agencies and the secrets that they hold.
37:32
Speaker 17: But it's long past time for Congress to pry those
37:36
Speaker 17: loose and for the Trump administration to walk its talk
37:40
Speaker 17: and give us the maximum transparency that they promised us.
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Speaker 2: Gary Ruskin, thank you so much.
37:45
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time and of course your incredible commitment
37:48
Speaker 3: to this issue over what six or seven years now?
37:51
Speaker 7: Okay, that's good, Okay, take care of yourself.
37:56
Speaker 2: Still to come.
37:56
Speaker 3: Crickets from alban Easy after one of his labor and
37:59
Speaker 3: pay was accused of assault. I talk about that with
38:02
Speaker 3: Nationals leader Matt Canavan. Plus where is the Love guarn
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Speaker 3: Demographer Mike McCrindle would join us after the break Welcome
38:14
Speaker 3: back Nationals leader Matt Canavan coming up in just a moment,
38:18
Speaker 3: But first, a new ABS statistics suggests that fewer couples
38:22
Speaker 3: are choosing to get married, while the divorce rate has
38:25
Speaker 3: risen over the past year. The Daily telegraphs Jason Morrison
38:28
Speaker 3: reports that ABS figures reveal forty nine thousand divorces were
38:32
Speaker 3: granted in twenty twenty five, up on the previous year,
38:36
Speaker 3: while the number of marriages registered slipped slightly to one
38:39
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen thousand. Put crudely one marriage ended in
38:44
Speaker 3: divorce for roughly every two and a half weddings held
38:47
Speaker 3: across the country last year, and demographer Mike McCrindle joins me, now, Mark,
38:52
Speaker 3: good to see you again. So why do you think,
38:55
Speaker 3: just starting with the marriages first, why do you think
38:57
Speaker 3: fewer couples are getting married?
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Speaker 16: Well, we do get fluctuations in both the marriage numbers
39:04
Speaker 16: and the divorce numbers. Costs do have something to do
39:07
Speaker 16: with it, and marriage, particularly for Australians, the majority of
39:11
Speaker 16: her cohabitate prior to marriage. It is something that they
39:15
Speaker 16: can kick down the road a little bit, and so
39:17
Speaker 16: you do. When there are cost challenges see a few
39:20
Speaker 16: changes around the marriage numbers and for that matter of
39:23
Speaker 16: divorces as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I was going to ask you.
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Speaker 3: You know, divorce rate is said to be the highest
39:30
Speaker 3: since the pandemic, and of course you know changes according
39:34
Speaker 3: to your measurements, but the highest since the pandemic and
39:36
Speaker 3: has risen over the past year. Are there other reasons
39:38
Speaker 3: for this or again, is this just the cost of
39:40
Speaker 3: living crisis and economic pressures that are putting pressure on families.
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Speaker 16: Well, the long term trend for the divorces is down,
39:50
Speaker 16: which is encouraging. In fact, there are a lot fewer
39:54
Speaker 16: divorces now. The divorce rate is about one third less
39:58
Speaker 16: than it was just twenty years ago. So the long
40:00
Speaker 16: term trends are for fewer divorces in terms of the
40:04
Speaker 16: divorce rate, and that leads to fewer divorces in number.
40:08
Speaker 16: Notwithstanding last year there are a few more, but that's
40:10
Speaker 16: just a fluctuation. Those marriages that do end are lasting
40:14
Speaker 16: longer as well. So now the time from marriage to
40:17
Speaker 16: divorce for those that end is the longest it has
40:19
Speaker 16: ever been, more than thirteen years. And now the majority
40:22
Speaker 16: of divorces no longer involved dependent children as well. Average
40:27
Speaker 16: age of those getting divorces in the late forties. So
40:30
Speaker 16: I think amidst all of this, there's some encouraging news.
40:32
Speaker 16: Partly that is that couples are staying together longer, maybe
40:36
Speaker 16: because of the cost of splitting up in terms of
40:39
Speaker 16: a house division. But yeah, overall there are some good
40:43
Speaker 16: news around the divorce and length of time.
40:47
Speaker 3: The twenty twenty six Census is coming up on August eleven,
40:51
Speaker 3: and of course this is when every person in the
40:53
Speaker 3: country has to answer some sixty six questions about their life,
40:57
Speaker 3: their ancestry, gender, etc. Now there's been some controversy over
41:02
Speaker 3: the fact that the ABS didn't include a dedicated box
41:06
Speaker 3: for Judaism in the religion section, so Jews would have
41:11
Speaker 3: to write.
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Speaker 2: That in the other box.
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Speaker 3: But Mark has I'm just interested to know whether Judaism
41:16
Speaker 3: has ever had its own dedicated tick box on the census.
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Speaker 16: No, it hasn't, and it is unfortunate because if a
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Speaker 16: religion doesn't get a pickbox there, it gets fewer adherents
41:30
Speaker 16: because or recorded numbers, because you've got to get people
41:34
Speaker 16: to fill in what they are in the open text box.
41:37
Speaker 16: So it's a lot more convenient if that religion is
41:40
Speaker 16: there on the options. But the way the Australian Bureau
41:43
Speaker 16: Statistics does it is in order of the number of
41:47
Speaker 16: respondents on the previous census. There are ten options in
41:51
Speaker 16: the religion question, and the number one is no religion
41:56
Speaker 16: because that's the most common, and then you've got Catholic
41:58
Speaker 16: because that's number two. That can is number three, and
42:01
Speaker 16: it goes all the way down the list, but after ten,
42:03
Speaker 16: because they don't want to have the form running on
42:06
Speaker 16: and on, they then stop that and you have the
42:09
Speaker 16: other section and people can write the answer in. So
42:12
Speaker 16: if Judaism was to go on the box there as
42:15
Speaker 16: an option in itself. If we were to follow that
42:18
Speaker 16: process of order, you'd also need to add Sikhism and
42:21
Speaker 16: Lutheran faith prior to that, because that's where it fits
42:25
Speaker 16: roughly thirteenth on the list. So it would mean expanding
42:28
Speaker 16: the census form. When you look at it, it does
42:30
Speaker 16: seem od because there's a box for Islam and Buddhism
42:34
Speaker 16: and Hinduism, and there's a box for Catholic and Protestant
42:39
Speaker 16: options as well, and Judaism isn't there. But it's for
42:42
Speaker 16: those statistical reasons.
42:44
Speaker 3: Are there any other changes or anything different in the
42:47
Speaker 3: census that you've noticed this year, there are a few things.
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Speaker 16: For the first time, it's not just the recording of
42:54
Speaker 16: one sex, but gender is there as well. There's a
42:58
Speaker 16: new question on sexual orientation, so there's some new approaches.
43:03
Speaker 16: There's four options when it comes to ancestry because a
43:05
Speaker 16: lot more people are looking back in their history, not
43:08
Speaker 16: just two ancestries as we've seen the past. And in
43:11
Speaker 16: terms of how you got to work, even e bike
43:14
Speaker 16: is an option. So a few little responses to the
43:17
Speaker 16: changes over time and particularly since five years from the
43:21
Speaker 16: last one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
43:23
Speaker 3: I mean, just on the Jewish community front, I'm so
43:26
Speaker 3: torn on this because you know, the community does rely
43:29
Speaker 3: on census data to secure funding and plan social infrastructure.
43:32
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, you know, a lot of
43:34
Speaker 3: Jews don't feel comfortable filling out a government form with
43:37
Speaker 3: their religion. I've certainly never done it, which is a
43:40
Speaker 3: bit you know, ironic because I tell everyone I'm Jewish
43:42
Speaker 3: on air, But you know, you just don't want the
43:44
Speaker 3: government to have a form, and there's a lot of
43:46
Speaker 3: people like that, So you know, you don't know the
43:49
Speaker 3: true size of the community. I think it's larger than
43:51
Speaker 3: the official figures. Anyway, Mark McCrindle, thank you for your time.
43:55
Speaker 3: Thanks all right, still to come. Oh and just before
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Speaker 3: we go to the break, very quickly, I want to
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Speaker 3: say congratulations to artist Michael Zavros for his beautiful portrait
44:04
Speaker 3: of Jewish leader Alex Rifchin, which today won the People's
44:08
Speaker 3: Prize at the Archiboard. I mean, the pair joked about
44:11
Speaker 3: how they look similar, but this is actually a very
44:13
Speaker 3: serious painting that reflects the trauma of our times as
44:17
Speaker 3: reflected in Alex's face. So wonderful that that had that
44:22
Speaker 3: well deserved prize.
44:23
Speaker 2: Okay, still to come.
44:24
Speaker 3: Alban Eazy's lackluster response to a labor and p charged
44:28
Speaker 3: with assault and the e Safety Commissioner refuses to condemn
44:31
Speaker 3: the ABC for its violent segment on Gina Reinhardt. All
44:35
Speaker 3: of that with Nationals leader Matt Canavan. Next, welcome back
44:42
Speaker 3: and let's bring in now live Nationals leader Matt Canavan.
44:46
Speaker 2: Matt, wonderful to see you again.
44:49
Speaker 3: Look, I want to get your view on the fact
44:52
Speaker 3: that the Albanezy government is still standing by refusing to
44:56
Speaker 3: stand down this labor and P Luke Gosling charged with assault.
45:02
Speaker 18: Look, I find it quite extraordinary shary. These are extremely
45:05
Speaker 18: serious allegations. They come with a potential jail term of
45:10
Speaker 18: fourteen years. They are allegations or now criminal charges. So
45:14
Speaker 18: I'm not going to comment on the particulars of them,
45:16
Speaker 18: but it would appear to me just basic basic prudence
45:21
Speaker 18: to step aside when something as serious as this has occurred.
45:24
Speaker 18: That doesn't of course meet guilt on behalf of any party,
45:28
Speaker 18: but when you're in these sort of positions, you've got
45:31
Speaker 18: to be devoted to them. Now, mister Gosling obviously has
45:34
Speaker 18: a task to do to defend the charges. That's what
45:37
Speaker 18: he wants to do. He should be focused on that,
45:39
Speaker 18: and we deserve people involved in government to focus on
45:41
Speaker 18: austrange people. So I just think it would be prudent
45:44
Speaker 18: to step aside, wait for the legal process to finish
45:50
Speaker 18: before making a decision further and mister Gosling's future. But look,
45:53
Speaker 18: the promise to just constantly always just seems to defend
45:57
Speaker 18: his own team above and beyond good and due process.
45:59
Speaker 6: So don't think it's being followed in this case.
46:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. It is the
46:02
Speaker 3: standard process. Someone would usually stand aside. Look, the E
46:06
Speaker 3: Safety Commissioner Julie in Man Grand who you're always holding
46:09
Speaker 3: to account, Matt. She's refused to condemn the ABC over
46:13
Speaker 3: its revolting segment on Gina Reinhart.
46:16
Speaker 2: I mean, why wouldn't she.
46:18
Speaker 3: Condemn something so obviously inappropriate?
46:23
Speaker 18: Look, it absolutely just just completely gobsmacks me, Shari that
46:29
Speaker 18: she couldn't do that.
46:30
Speaker 6: I mean, I'll do that. That was outrageous.
46:33
Speaker 18: What was broadcast on the ABC A description of a
46:37
Speaker 18: violent actor, not funny at all. It can't be dismissed
46:41
Speaker 18: as satire. Don't give me a break in graphic details
46:44
Speaker 18: should never have aired on our public broadcaster. I know
46:47
Speaker 18: now see now the comedian I think herself. I'm not
46:50
Speaker 18: even sure he or she, But they have apologized. The
46:53
Speaker 18: ABC should apologize. And the fact that miss Grant often
46:58
Speaker 18: puts herself forward as judge, jury and executioner of all
47:02
Speaker 18: sorts of things that go on social media, how can
47:04
Speaker 18: she not make a judgment on this.
47:06
Speaker 6: It's absolutely absurd.
47:08
Speaker 18: It should be condemned by all good thinking Australians and
47:12
Speaker 18: the OBBOC should be held to account for.
47:13
Speaker 6: It should never happen again, exactly.
47:16
Speaker 3: Look, speaking of Guina Ryanhart, it's been reported that she's
47:18
Speaker 3: endorsing your plan, Matt, for the Fitzroy River to stage
47:21
Speaker 3: the rowing at the twenty thirty two Brisbane Olympics. But
47:24
Speaker 3: there's all this concern that there's actually crocodile saltwater crocs?
47:29
Speaker 2: Is that true?
47:32
Speaker 18: Well, I live very close to this area, Sharie. My
47:36
Speaker 18: son rose on the river three or four times a week,
47:39
Speaker 18: as does many of his friends, and they do so
47:42
Speaker 18: year in year out. There is a complete misname of
47:45
Speaker 18: the crocodile's an issue. Indeed, the state school championships for
47:49
Speaker 18: rowing in Queensland will be held on the Fitzwa River.
47:52
Speaker 18: Say there's no crost the Olympics course would be later year.
47:55
Speaker 18: There's no issue, there's no she's never made is there's
47:58
Speaker 18: no crocodile attack reported? But there are crocodiles further up
48:02
Speaker 18: show Well, there are bull sharks in the Sydney River
48:05
Speaker 18: in the Cydney Harbor. Did you see that footage last
48:08
Speaker 18: year with the I think it was a crew from
48:10
Speaker 18: Riverview or one of the schools there in Sydney had
48:12
Speaker 18: a bull shark just come right up near their boat.
48:15
Speaker 18: There are many more people lost to sharks.
48:18
Speaker 3: What you're saying, you're saying crocodiles in the river, but
48:22
Speaker 3: it's still safe to row.
48:24
Speaker 18: It's perfectly safe, yeah, because those crocs are managed and
48:29
Speaker 18: they're never anywhere close to the proximity of where the
48:32
Speaker 18: rowing occurs. And that would we why would be why
48:37
Speaker 18: would we host a state school championships there if it
48:40
Speaker 18: was an issue. I mean, we do that every year,
48:42
Speaker 18: almost every other year. It's perfectly safe. The Australian Olympic
48:45
Speaker 18: rowing team regularly used this part of the river, the
48:48
Speaker 18: Fitzroer River to.
48:49
Speaker 6: Train in this area.
48:50
Speaker 18: So I know there's a lot of whole people in
48:52
Speaker 18: Brisbane who are very angry that regional Queensland's getting something
48:56
Speaker 18: and they're looking at every little hook to do so.
48:58
Speaker 18: I saw in the Australian today the reporting that somehow
49:01
Speaker 18: this part of the river is affected by tidal flows.
49:03
Speaker 6: Total rubbish.
49:05
Speaker 18: There's if anyone who's been in Rockhampton, there's a barrage
49:07
Speaker 18: there that prevents the tides from going this part of
49:10
Speaker 18: the river.
49:10
Speaker 6: And reporting on the regions deserves something too.
49:15
Speaker 2: I want to use our.
49:15
Speaker 3: Last minute to get your view and Fauci today. No,
49:17
Speaker 3: you've been following that typic closely over the years.
49:19
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, Look that was extraordinary. I mean that I
49:24
Speaker 18: saw a clip of him taking a fifth for about
49:27
Speaker 18: twenty minutes or so to all sorts of reasonable questions.
49:31
Speaker 18: And you've been mentioned dispatches too. They're shari for the
49:34
Speaker 18: great work you did on this. And look, I think
49:36
Speaker 18: people deserve answers. So much occurred, so many people's lives
49:41
Speaker 18: were destroyed by it. It's very regrettable that we're not
49:43
Speaker 18: getting answers. We haven't got that in this country, and
49:46
Speaker 18: unfortunately American people and seen getting that either through their
49:49
Speaker 18: legitimate congressional processes.
49:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he more than anyone.
49:53
Speaker 3: He needs to answer questions about a whole lot of things,
49:56
Speaker 3: both the response and the origins of the virus. But
49:59
Speaker 3: he's just no accountability there. Matt Canavan. Great to see
50:03
Speaker 3: you back again. You were away, I was away and
50:06
Speaker 3: thanks to your company everyone this week on the show.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you Monday at eight and right now, Paul
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Speaker 3: Murray