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S4 E4: Complicated Feelings · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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If deemed a crazy you can see your breath out in the lake effect,
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Breacon tables and Gildre here wherese would you have to be? And do ron
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We're so glad that you're joining us for some of your Buffalo bills and NFL
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content again today and as always, these are my bills thoughts set out loud.
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It's a vibe so ticulous, was sick connect? Where's would you like
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to be? All right, let's get straight to it. I'm really excited
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about tonight's episode. It was funny because I was talking with one of the
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co one of our guests tonight pre show, and you know the entire point
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of nicol City Crew was to, you know, to get my bills thoughts
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set out loud, you know, to be completely honest, I was a
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situation where as I've said on my intro, I used to always think about
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the bills and talk about the bills and how are we gonna get better?
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And how are we gonna get back to the super Bowl and all of these
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different things running through my head. And eventually I just again was just I
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stopped being scared. I got the equipment and I said, you know what,
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I'm gonna start a podcast. And I'm so excited that that we're now
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in season four. I mean, we are growing, and I couldn't do
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it without my co host that's been with me literally since the beginning. I've
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only did you know, maybe a few episodes without him. Holla at the
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crew writing Shotgun tonight as always my co host Adam dump Truck Repsick. Check
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them out on Instagram at Adam Repsick, r U p c z y K.
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Holla at the crew DT. What's good with you? What's up man?
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What's good? Nicole City? What's up? What's up baby? What's
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up? Crew? Welcome back Season four. We're off and running and it's
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gonna be our biggest one yet. As we we keep saying, and we
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keep rolling. I'm excited to keep Ryan shotgun with you, Rob and get
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these bill salts set out loud. A good point. I think I'll bring
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up. Last week was the first episode I've ever been on with you where
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it didn't start and you didn't say I'm really excited for the night's episode.
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And that's okay, So so I'm happy to put the ball on it.
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And we got some great guests as always tonight, and you know, let's
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ride Nicole City crew. We are absolutely you know, I am really excited.
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I was really excited last week for for episode three, and I might
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have neglected because my heart was hurt. But you know, one of the
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things that helps me to get me through is the Mama, the resident mama
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of the crew, the incomfortable Robin Mundy check her out on Instagram and tutor
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at Robin Monday. That's r O b y N m u N d y
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w y O. That stands for Yoming where there was a certain pope once
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upon a time that that we all, you know, are a little bit
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fond of. Now, what's good, Mama Monday. I'll let the crew
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to talk about that pope some tonight. Might have a little conversation about that
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Pope tonight. I got a few things to say about that Pope tonight.
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Yeah, we have lots to talk about in this episode, for sure,
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and people are going to be surprised to hear me for the first time give
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a critique about Josh Allen that needs to be said and yeah, yeah,
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there's so fad. I think there's some things that need to be said.
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And I think what you said is right on the money, and I thank
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you for inviting me to come on. But it's like tell it like it
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is right. We keep it real here at Nicol City Crew. That's something
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that that you know, the dump Truck and I have said that we were
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going to do from the beginning. We're not always in the majority, but
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even when we're in the minority, there are there are certain members of the
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crew that get with us and that still support us, and even if they
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don't agree with us, joining us tonight to fill out this this podcast tonight.
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I mean, it was funny because I was starting to argue with him
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on Twitter and I was like, this is my brother, man, this
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is my man, Like I cannot start arguing with Listen, the Creative director
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at Buffalo fan Base again the incomparable Justice General Rafford how at the crew Man.
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You could check ab out on Instagram and Twitter at JA seventeen MVP at
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the Crew General salute, I mean, we go salute, but you're talking
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about some captain stuff tonight, we salute you man, well, salute man.
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We we recognize your Thanks now, I appreciate you having you on tonight.
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Hey, first of all, before we do any of this, I
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want to say congratulations on four seasons. I don't think you guys know how
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hard it is for a podcast to go for four seasons and then not only
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go for four seasons, but then to stick together throughout the whole thing is
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crazy. So both of you guys, congratulations of both of you guys.
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That's amazing and I'm glad that we could be a part of it here fan
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Base, you know what I mean. Yeah, Well, I appreciate your
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input and I appreciate your guidance from the beginning. Shout out to Jay Spencer
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King, who I know they got a lot of stuff going over there at
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Now we've paid the bills, it is time for me to lay down
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on the couch. DT. I paid the lady. I met her at
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the front door. I gave her my Bills card, my Bill's Mafia card,
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and I told her that I need that season ticket holder discount. I
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want to I want to start this route rabbit tonight because it's funny. I
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have been fighting with so many people on Twitter, most recently on X and
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to be honest, DT, it's been a situation where it was kind of
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what we talked about last week DT, where I just I'm speaking of twenty
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twenty four, the Buffalo Bills in twenty twenty four and the offense in twenty
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twenty four, and my angler focus on finding a way to get back to
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the super Bowl. To be quite honest with you again, I'll let the
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chips fall. Everybody in nicol CIDNY crew knows excuse me that bills get back
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to the super Bowl. I'll let the chips fall. I'll deal with the
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jokes at the barbershop. I'll deal with anything I have to deal with going
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to zero to five because the flip side of that coin is nothing but straight
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glory for so many people across Western New York and across the world. That's
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stretching out even to Wyoming where Mama Monday is. So I know out of
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that coin is if we can get it done, that's all I want to
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I want to be focused on and DT, I've been fighting with people about
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this whole stuff on Dick's thing. It seems like as soon as the word
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came down, everybody was kind of dancing on the grave and it was a
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little bit weird and was some of that awkward energy DT, and I'm trying
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to figure out as we go round Robin tonight about what made the relationship deteriorate.
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Now, we already went through the trade last week. Check out last
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week's episode. We went through the trade. We've already acknowledged hero On Nickosuy
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crew that it is most likely that stuff On Diggs asked for a trade.
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We understand that we're acknowledging that again. My gripe was that I wanted Brandon
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Bean to broke or something. I wanted him to kind of manage people,
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I think is a part of this job. And DT, where would you
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say that this relationship went wrong because one of the keys to any relationship is
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vacation. I think that that could be held culprit on a lot of the
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reasons why our store star quarterback right behind me, Josh Allen and his number
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one to see what fell out. Yeah, well, I mean, if
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you want to really dig in, I think with the thirteen seconds, right
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we got I think we got thirteen seconds is exactly where it started, you
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know, the honeymoon phase. That was right after the honeymoon phase of Digs
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kind of getting a fresh fresh start coming over to Buffalo and joining up with
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a rising superstar and Josh Allen and you know, and they build their first
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two years together and it was cohesion right out of the gate, you know,
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they it couldn't have been better. The YNG and the yang and everything
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in between, and then thirteen seconds kind of brought everything to reality and you
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know, and after that, the bite to win was, you know,
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we've been through the honeymoon. We know what it takes to to you know,
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get to the playoffs now. And we had the taste for for a
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Bowl right there and we didn't do it. So now the expectation is is
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getting to the super Bowl, as we talked about. And I think that
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it got a little edgier in all directions with that. And not to say,
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you know, not to make this about seventeen and fourteen, but it
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really is right. And you know, they don't go, they don't go,
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And I would say completely separate directions, but I think they went in
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different paths. You know. Diggs kind of went in his one way where
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he saw he saw he as a you know, this is what we need
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to do to win, and Josh kind of went in in the other way.
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I don't think they were opposite directions. It was just on you know,
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different sides of the road. One was in the carpool lane, one
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was in the you know, over in the in the other lane. Right,
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So it goes back to thirteen seconds I think it comes down the two
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alphas on the team kind of we're going the same road but in Jackovie,
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and it eventually, you know, came came to a bud. And it's
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weird for us because we're the biggest defenders of one four and Stefan Diggs.
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We had literally a month worth of episodes dedicated to it last year when all
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this drama was going on, and there was a little bit of drama before
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that, but then it really kind of hit off last spring and we squashed
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it, and then now it really happened, and you're kind of we're in
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the same but right where you like Josh the stuff right now you're going,
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We're not in completely different directions, but you're holding on this way and I'm
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trying. I'm and I'm more in the fact of, Wow, maybe we
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were wrong, and all these people that we were kind of really critical of,
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we're a little right. So that's that's I think where we are.
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And take it all the way back to thirteen seconds expectation change. It got
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real and I don't think it was cohesive since then. M Justice General.
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Before we give the floor to Mama Monday, our residents shrink. I really
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do need you to to let me know? Where did it go wrong?
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Man? Where do we fall fall off? Man? I had DT pull
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out of promo Justice on on last week's episode, and I could only think
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of one song. It was jay Z back in the Day with you know
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it was all good just a week ago. And it was like, man,
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it was all good just a week ago. Like in seven days,
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I mean a lot changed man. Yeah, Justice General, before we give
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the floor to Mama Monday, what what happened? What happened to seventeen and
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fourteen? What's the problem? Because I heard even something through the Great Right
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on Twitter that you might have seen as well, Justice, where Josh Allen
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was pissed after the Jets game and you know, you know, I guess
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Diggs was on the sideline yelling and he was upset. And I've got more
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to speak about that. But Josh was like, it's one fucking game.
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It's one game. So I'm what happened? It was all good just a
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week ago. I mean I've heard something. Excuse me, I've heard some
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things. You know. I have some people that are closer to the situation
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most me too. And we're not name dropping today. The situation right.
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You take a look at that, and I really feel like it was just
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uncomfortable. Okay, So from what I'm told, Diggs isn't the easiest person
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to be around, Okay, Okay, in the locker room specifically, right
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in terms of he is very uh, he's he's going to do what it
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takes for him to be comfortable. Right, Okay, we're talking about locker
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room, right, not on not not on the field. We're talking about
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I mean just we're talking about coworker interactions drive in general, where you know,
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on the football team, as far as the team is concerned, co
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worker interactions. He's very strong minded, okay, very rigid. There's not
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much there to be, not a lot of wiggle room. There's not a
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lot of wiggle room. Not much for negotiation, right Okay, contract extension
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m h a couple of years ago, right, m hm. So where
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did it go wrong? I feel like that part is if he is a
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little touchy, you know though, that's the point of the Sports Illustrated Kids
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to where it all started to like kind of deteriorate was after the Bengals game.
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Rightfully, so, right, I think having such an inexperienced offensive coordinator
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to begin with with Ken Dorsey was just not good for the situation at all.
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I think that that allowed for so especially because the head coach is a
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defensive guy, so there's a lot of times where he's not even in the
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room, right, is just Ken Dorsey to handle the situations, and you
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know, and alpha male is going to be an alpha male, especially if
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there's not an alphabell to combat him, you know, And not to say
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that Dorsey isn't necessarily one, but I mean, you know, there's an
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all pro in the room, and there's Candorsey, you know what I mean,
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So like obviously Stephan Daggs is going to be heard, Okay, okay.
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So I just feel like after the Bengals game was really where it started
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to deteriorate because there was no as we've seen with Ken Dorsey, you know,
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coaching for a full season or almost a full season. There was obviously
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no cohesiveness, there was no game plan, and he was ill prepared to
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be an officer coordinator. And that's no shot at him, it's just a
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fact. So I would have to imagine that that was also true the year
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previous when they were in the playoffs, running comebacks in the snow. He
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was going to say it DT. He was going to say DT. Okay.
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That's where I feel like Diggs was kind of like, you got a
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little worried, like, oh no, I don't know how I feel about
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this, okay, And you know, the anxiety started to build up.
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And that looks different than everybody. You know, when you're somebody like that's
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you know, we we may you know, have social anxiety and quiet down,
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you know, and kind of reserve ours to ourselves in public or whatever
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the case may be. And when you're up one hundred million, you might
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throw a timpertans room and start yelling at your quarterback like that. That shows
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us in different ways, Okay. So I just I just feel like I
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don't I'm not going to say either of them was necessarily wrong in the way
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it deteriorated. When it comes to fourteen and seventeen and the way it deteriorated,
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I'm not going to say either one of them was wrong. Right.
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There are some other things I feel, but we'll talk about that later.
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But the way it deteriorated, I just feel like it was just two separate
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ideologies, you know. So that's that's that's about it. Mama Monday,
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we are so happy to have you here again. For those who don't know,
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Robin Mundy is a former psychiatrist, got not only a degree the counselor
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excuse me, not only has a degree, but as has history in studying
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the brain. I feel that I had a lot of times when I was
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arguing with people, Mama Mondy on Twitter, I would say that Stefan Diggs
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and Justin spoke to it made people uncomfortable, okay, And what I posited
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was that being uncomfortable is not always a bad thing. I understand that it
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gives out a negative connotation oftentimes. I know that sometimes people don't like being
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held accountable. I understand that sometimes people squirm at it, or they might
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get defensive, or what the case may be. It seemed like the tenor
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around one Bill's drive was that there was a certain individual who was walking around
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the hall, specifically on the offensive side of the room, and was making
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people squirm a little bit. Now again, I would positive that that does
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not mean it's a bad thing. Please give me your take what was going
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on, because I heard that he made people uncomfortable, and I'm looking to
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search and dig a little bit deeper into it before we wrap this up tonight.
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Yeah, well, let's start with being uncomfortable. I couldn't agree with
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you more. It's important at times to be uncomfortable. You have to be
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uncomfortable in certain situations in order to be the best that you can possibly be
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and to grow and to grow and to grow. You asked the question about
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why it deteriorated. I think the short answer is that you have two individuals
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seventeen and fourteen. They are very different personalities, very very different personalities.
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And the first thing I would say is Digs, he's a dog, dog
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dog, the dog in him like Tom Brady. Okay, okay, he's
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got that I'm going to do anything that I have to do to win.
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That's dog in him. And he's authentic, okay, says what he thinks,
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which makes people uncomfortable at times. He's difficult to get along with.
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I think that's easily understood about a lot of wide receivers personality wise, they're
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not always the easiest to get along with. But here's the thing that we
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have to get to in terms of why did it deteriorate? You have two
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people, seventeen and fourteen, who deal with conflict very different in very different
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ways. You have people who are who embrace conflict. Okay, they love
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it, you know, they're just in it all the time, and that's
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that's what gets them all fired up kind of. I see some of that
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in digs in terms of I want to get everything out on the table,
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this is how I feel, and let's all talk about it. We'll figure
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it out. Yeah, we'll figure it out. And Josh is not that
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way. Josh is probably one of the more conflict avoidant people that I've looked
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at in that kind of a position. And when I say that, what
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do I mean by that? What supporting evidence do I have? Okay,
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have I interviewed Josh Allen personally? No? Do I need to interview Josh
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Allen personally to figure this out? No, there's enough supporting evidence out there
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to show that he is very conflict avoidant. That is a terrible quality in
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a leader. You absolutely have to embrace conflict and understand that conflict is a
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part of every relationship. It's a part of everything that we do in life.
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And the more that you avoid it, the worse it's going to get
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down the road for you. And I here's my supporting evidence. We remember
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after the Bengals game, what happened and what happened when training camps started,
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or no, the mini camps starts. We don't have any we don't have
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any Digs. And then the reporters come in and they asked the question,
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have you spoken to Josh? Have you spoken with Diggs during the off season?
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And you can go back to all these interviews and find it. We
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did a whole episode on it. Yes, okay, so the head coach
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said he was quote very concerned. He said it twice. Not well.
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So when the reporter asked the question, did you speak with Digs during the
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off season? And he hedged until somebody finally cornered him and said did you
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actually speak with him during the off season? And he said no. And
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right at that point, I'm thinking to myself, what, okay, you
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get this blow up and then everybody splits and I get that, but you
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let this stuff fester all these months? Come on, are you kidding me?
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Josh? You can do better than that. You know you have to
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face that situation head on, and you know you have to deal with it
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because you're the man. Right whether or not you like it, you are
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the man. So that's my So that's my feeling about how things deteriorated because
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we have two different personality types in terms of how to deal with conflict.
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And it's very important that Josh come away from this situation with some wisdom.
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And the wisdom that he needs to have in the situation is do not let
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things fester. Do not let things get that far down the road. You
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know, if you're having an issue, figure out whether you can solve it
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or not. Don't let it fester over months. And of course Diggs is
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like ready to explode. So no wonder that meeting, that person got the
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coach on him and said that he was very concerned, even though he neglected
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to tell us that he had actually sent him home, and it had and
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then the next day had said that that we had great conversations, productive conversations,
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and and he just, uh, you know, I guess ironically forgot
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to tell us that he had decided to send stuff home. D T did
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Did they trade Steffan dis because he got his feelings hurt because Josh got his
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feelings hurt? No? No, I mean this that's good point. I
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mean, we got this is the last night we get a chance to talk
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about that. Did they did they trade him because because Josh had his feelings
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hurt? No? No, I think that Robin has a point pres back
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that up of you know that, Yes, in that specific situation in the
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Cincinnati loss, there was obviously something going on there, and then to come
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back months later and then another blow up happens and QB one says he hasn't
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talked to Diggs all off season. Yeah, that's that's a problem. And
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that's conflict, you know, avoidance whatever, and you can't You're never gonna
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be a true alpha top dog, you know, in anything if you can't
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you know, have to deal with conflict. It's it's one of the hardest
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things to do, you know, as you as you lead people in in
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management, I am the conflict's always the hardest part. You know, you
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just want to everything always to be good. That's the hardest part. So
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it's gonna take the most work. But so I ask, on the other
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hand, what is Stephan what was Stefan Diggs doing to help conflict? Other
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than I mean, we don't see behind the doors. We don't know what
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conversations had with the team, with with Josh, with with digs. We
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don't know those type of conversations. But what was he doing on the reverse
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end? Yes, Josh could have stepped up, stepped in, did more
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to to bridge the gap and heal that, healed whatever drama there was.
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But what's what Stefan Diggs doing. He's never saying what he he say.
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He says what he thinks, but he never was saying what he thought.
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That was the problem, right, not on Twitter? Thank you on Twitter
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and said I want to retire Bill. I don't want to call plays what
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y'all talking about. I'm not an offensive coordinator. I love Buffalo, so
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I mean and again, this is not putting everything on on fourteen. This
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was a mutual drama build up. Josh had stuff to do with this as
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much as it did. But if Diggs coming in as more of a veteran
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seeing won seven, rise to the top of the football start and rise to
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the world like you you see him, all right, he's the next guy.
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He's hopefully the next Tom Brady, the next Peyton Manning, the next
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great one of the greats in NFL history. I see he You know,
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he has this problem with the voiding conflict, avoiding conflict, So I'm going
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to try to help him get get through that, and maybe his way of
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doing that was kind of pressing, press and pressing basically forced the you know,
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like, oh, hit me in the face, hit me in the
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face, hit me in the face, until Josh kind of finally snaps back
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and hits him back, you know, like to pull that out of him.
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But if that was the case, then that's where I think that's what
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I'm seeing. I felt the vibe wasn't there and the fact of that,
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if that was the case and that was happening, I don't think Josh was
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ever able to snap back at him. Like that's what I think that.
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I think the tiptoeing around Stephan Diggs just got too much for the team.
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Like they're they're the two alphas couldn't coexist, and now there, you know,
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you have to have the one alpha who if Josh can yell the whole
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team but can't yell at Stephan Diggs and Stephan Diggs can yell at everyone,
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but who's coming at him for you know, joh who's coming at him for
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dropping that pass against Kansas City. And there's more. It's not just like
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I'm not putting has brought us so much joy to this and so like some
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stuff we would never see as bills fans because of him, and all these
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wins, a lot of wins because of him. But if he you know,
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it was it just a power struggle. And then so Stefan Diggs should
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be Okay, he avoids conflicts. So I'm gonna make him face the conflict
26:18
to get better because I want to grow with him together. And I don't
26:22
think it was that. I think it was, you know, screw this,
26:25
I'm gonna do me. And then Josh wasn't isn't comfortable enough to kind
26:29
of say, no, screw that. We're doing this together. And you
26:33
know, hopefully one seven learns from this, and now it says, Okay,
26:37
I need to start becoming that guy. I need to start taking that
26:40
next step and making that happen. But I think he had to tiptoe around
26:42
a lot of bullshit, and eventually tiptoeing around a lot of bullshit you know
26:47
isn't worth it anymore. And yes, we talk about the twenty twenty four
26:49
season, and how does that make us better trading Steffan Diggs. No,
26:53
of course not. I mean that's that's straight up but there's a plan,
26:56
there's a lot of time left, there's things we can do to get better
26:59
from here. But this can't be you know, you don't want to keep
27:03
the car. It's it's better to get rid of the car, the nice
27:06
car a year earlier than the year too late, and before you really got
27:08
to start cumping money into it before stuff is really irreversible. So I believe
27:14
stuff on Diggs did make people uncomfortable, and that's okay, But how I
27:18
hate I hate going back to Minnesota. I hate going back to Minnesota.
27:22
But the second time around he made people uncomfortable and then so they moved on.
27:29
Now he comes to Buffalo makes people so okay, when is it him
27:33
to make people uncomfortable? Like making people uncomfortable might not be a good thing
27:38
all the time in this situation, right especially with the rising star you know
27:42
and Josh Allen, so it nobody see. But the problem is the only
27:47
thing I would say to that is that we haven't won anything quite yet.
27:51
So I you know, I take the temper to the room, and maybe
27:52
I need to make you a little bit uncomfortable to know. Maybe I'm not
27:57
saying I mean, I don't maybe I'm not seeing enough dedications. How is
28:03
Stefan Diggs the poster child for winning? How is he like we need to
28:06
win, we need What have you done that this team hasn't done? You
28:10
know, like he's not coming in with three or four super Bowls like this
28:11
is the way we got to do it. Follow me. I'm going to
28:14
make you uncomfortable till you feel it like he has done nothing more than anybody,
28:18
and especially Josh Allen, so like he's not the poster child for winning.
28:22
So you know, yes, make people uncomfortable. We want to win.
28:26
We want to win, but like I don't think that other players don't
28:30
want to win. It just got to a point where it was like,
28:33
all right, we get it. Your dog, you go hard, you
28:36
want to win every time. But it's just not working. It's not cohesive
28:38
and one seven can't be his full self with you. I'm willing to concede
28:44
some of that. Justice shout out to the text Chat, we appreciate Mafia
28:48
talk a p FP. Also to our band from the Tailgate, we love
28:52
him. Seth Brown right there with Brown Si Eerie, we love him.
28:56
I mean Justice, I hear everything that's being said. I am you know
29:00
this is the last This is my last stand. I'm custard, so I'm
29:03
general accustomed. This is my last stand. I'm trying to figure out,
29:07
you know, if if I work at my job, Justice and in General,
29:14
I come to work every day and I work for Justice General, and
29:17
he sees me, and he sees my effort, he sees it, I'm
29:21
I'm I'm early to work. He sees it. I'll skip some breaks sometimes,
29:25
you know, the little fifteen minutes. I'll take a lunch because that's
29:26
required by law, but i might skip some fifteen minute breaks because I'm dedicated.
29:30
I believe in in Justice's vision. What I'm trying to figure out is
29:33
that how would we feel what I feel like a lot of times happens and
29:38
I got into so many arguments on X Robert. You know, Mama Monday
29:42
knows that I have because she's seen my interactions. Is that I'm sometimes I
29:47
hear that it's almost a situation where they're like, well, he is supposed
29:52
to just be a certain way, and then because of that, he's just
29:56
supposed to be okay with it. I know that if I work really really
29:59
hard for Justice General and then you you fucked me over Justice in a professional
30:03
setting. I'm going to come back to work and I'm gonna look at you
30:07
a little bit sideways. I'm sorry. You're still my boss. I still
30:11
have to extend you a certain modicum of respect. I still have to do
30:15
what you say, quote unquote. I got to show up to the staff
30:17
meetings. I have to do. I have to send in my TPS reports,
30:19
you know, shout out to office space. But I am going to
30:22
look at you a little bit sideways. It's funny that DT said that thirteen
30:26
seconds could have messed this all up. And I'm just on that boat because
30:30
and I've been on that boat, especially on Twitter most recently. I think
30:33
he looked started looking at McDermott, started looking at some of the people on
30:38
the offense. And I know the DT has spoke about Dorsey. I don't
30:41
know the level of that, but I do know you muted yourself. Yeah,
30:53
yep, he looked at at some people on the offense, and especially
30:56
with McDermott, I apologized that he kind of looked at him sideways. And
30:59
I can understand after thirteen seconds that kind of level of betrayal, because if
31:03
I come to work for you, Justice every day and then you screw me
31:07
over. It makes me look bad, it makes you look bad, it
31:10
makes the company look bad. And I can understand somebody being really really frustrated
31:14
with that. I can well, oh yeah, absolutely I can too.
31:18
And when it happened, you know, we were on the same boat.
31:21
We was two of the people defending stuff on Digg's on the line like,
31:25
no, if somebody need to get yelled at right there, I don't have
31:30
any issue with that. However, if you work for me, right,
31:33
yes, and A is my fault because I didn't have the necessary leadership in
31:40
that room because my two you know, for the for the the tenants,
31:45
Yeah, my two lieutenants, right to navigate this entire situation alone. There
31:51
should be a expertise leader in that position that can help them duke it out,
31:56
right, they can help them figure it out, squash it blah blah
31:59
blah. Right, Ken Dorsey was not that person, Okay, Okay,
32:05
being real with you, I'm just keep it real, okay, no problem.
32:07
And I hope McDermott and Fraser culpable for their side of the ball that
32:12
night, for sure. Absolutely right. But then if you as the leader,
32:19
my lieutenant, right, m h walking around the office pountain, You're
32:25
no longer you're no longer being as productive as you usually are. And if
32:30
you are being productive, it is also counteracting to other people's production. Right
32:36
if you start tweeting out cryptic stuff and saying, oh, don't worry about
32:39
it, that ain't nothing stuff my Twitter, right, and then push come
32:44
to shove all that stuff was real? If I have another lieutenant who everybody
32:52
else gets along with, Davis is not complaining, Harty is not gonna cook,
32:58
is not Kika, It's not nobody else is gonna wain it. Good
33:04
point. Good point. The Tide dumb piece was that they do support him.
33:07
One thing that the Tied dumb piece for was that you were able to
33:12
see that everybody does like him now, regardless of the Chad Hall controversy.
33:15
They like him. They like him. Not only does everybody support my other
33:19
lieutenant, this is one of, if not the best lieutenant in the entire
33:23
business, whole business across the country. He's him, Okay, topping sales,
33:31
you're the best managers. Don't get me wrong. You're not quite him
33:36
him, but you're him. You know, you're a top ten salesman in
33:40
the country. But he's like water two. He going on to retreat every
33:45
year. Okay, right, So if you're my lieutenant, this lieutenant is
33:52
out selling everybody. You're you know, you're doing good, You're doing great.
33:57
Actually, I'll even say it, right, But along with your great,
34:00
you are also contributing to, you know, rotting the locker room.
34:06
Right, you're also contributing to rotting the office. You're you're saying all this
34:09
stuff and then saying, oh, no, that's not how I feel that,
34:13
So we can see what you're saying something else. Right, then I'm
34:21
gonna start to look at my lieutenant like Diz, he really have my back?
34:25
He really has my back? Really? Is he really the captain of
34:29
my team? Three times? Three times voted co workers really right, and
34:34
then not only that, but then voted by the other workers, not by
34:38
the general manager, by the loss. This this salesman who is top ten
34:44
in the league, is saying that he is essential to the success of my
34:49
number one salesman. Did he did he lie? Did he lie? I
34:58
mean josh is he on the is Joshua Patrick on the cover of this without
35:04
Stephan Diggs? You know I heard that. I heard that Brandon Bigs Brandon
35:07
Bean Digg. I heard that dig that he had and when he said,
35:10
you know, it's interesting. Did Stefan Diggs make any all pros before he
35:15
joined us? And obviously I understand, but that was a shot. Come
35:19
on, it was a shot because Stefan Diggs has been taking shots. He
35:22
also had his brother taking shots. I was That's all. I was just
35:28
wanted to he lied, though he didn't lie. Josh is not on this
35:30
cover without him, because if Josh Allen had another number one receiver that wasn't
35:35
named Stefan Diggs, he will still have success. Therefore, is not essential
35:38
to success. We would we would have to see that. We will find
35:44
out. We would have ah and Mama Monday is right, we would have
35:47
We'll find out soon enough. I posit that I think, Mama Monday.
35:53
I think that fourteen brought the best out of Josh. I think that some
35:58
of those uncomfortable moments were a man, I don't want to f up right
36:00
here because I know that this dude is going to give me shit. Sometimes
36:05
that anxiety helps you. Sometimes, when you're in the ocean and you heard
36:08
that there is a shark on the loose, it makes you swim faster.
36:12
I don't care what you say, Justice, and I'm with you. We're
36:15
having a great conversation tonight because again, this is my last night to be
36:19
able to talk about this. Mama. Money sometimes fear will it actually heightens
36:24
your awareness. It actually helps you stay sharp. That's what I mean by
36:28
being uncomfortable is not the best. Now, I totally agree with Justice because
36:31
I'm in management just like DT is, and I understand that you don't want
36:35
that lieutenant walking around the office huffing and puffing and different things like that.
36:38
I'm just saying that thirteen seconds might have been the impetus that made him start
36:43
to look at McDermott differently, started making him look at the offense differently,
36:45
including Josh Allen. And sometimes sometimes when you're uncomfortable, you perform your best.
36:52
Not always it's not for everyone, but sometimes not to mention you as
36:58
my lieutenant, are also a reason and as to why we didn't win.
37:01
Oh, I'm not okay, I mean you're talking about the most recent playoff
37:09
loss. I was, I was. I was going back to the impetus
37:13
of thirteen seconds because I do agree with DT that thirteen seconds is the reason
37:16
why he started, I would look at you sideways. Justice, if we
37:21
came to the presentation and there's this big, big client. I'm your number
37:23
one salesman, you are my boss, and you dropped the ball for my
37:28
presentation and I missed out on the sale, I would look at you sideways.
37:32
Don't sign the extension. I agree with you. I want my money.
37:40
I'm right there with you. Look for four teams that should have won
37:45
super Bowls or rosters. Bean has done that. Sean McDermot is the reason
37:49
we haven't won. Okay, Boss, I said, my boss, don't
37:52
sign the extension. Okay, Mama, Monday, Mama, Monday. As
37:57
we begin to transition, it's it's funny, Becau because I had I had.
38:01
I thought of you originally because of the way that you studied the brain,
38:05
and I wanted to delve into seventeen because it is time for me to
38:08
move on. I just got into the bargament. I just told you,
38:10
guys. Pre show, I was argued with with one of my high school
38:15
buddies that I played basketball with, and he was like, it's time to
38:17
move on, crip, it is time to move on, and listen,
38:20
I have no problem moving on, but as we move on, I would
38:22
like to have a better understanding of this this guy on that Madden cover behind
38:27
me, because what I'm starting to wonder, and I asked this to DT
38:30
last week, and I came up with this little theory the other day,
38:35
and I want your thoughts on it, and I'm mad the DT's leave it
38:37
right now, So hopefully he gets a chance to come back and get filled
38:40
in on it. But what I'm wondering is that I'm wondering, Mama Mondy
38:45
if is Josh Allen genuinely and you you followed him literally, Wyo's at the
38:52
end of your handle. You are out there in Wyoming. You saw him
38:53
as a poke? Is Josh Allen surprised at the level that he has reached?
38:59
Out? What I mean by that? Number one, I am openly
39:01
acknowledging every athlete has an ego, So I'm not saying that he is surprised
39:07
as opposed to like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm in the
39:08
NFL. Not that, but the level that he has reached and jumping over
39:13
Anthony Barr. I think Anthony Barr was the first person he jumped over.
39:15
It was a rookie year or his second year in Minnesota. We had a
39:19
great, a great comeback in that game, and he jumped over Anthony Barr.
39:22
And we've got other guys. We've got to read from Kansas City.
39:24
We've got stiff arms, We've got so many different examples. I think he
39:29
even went through a linebacker Bobby Wagner in LA a couple of years ago at
39:31
the home opener, excuse me being the season opener. I mean, it
39:34
was just crazy. He's made a living out of it. Hurtle Avenue listen,
39:37
is Josh surprised at the level that he's gotten to. And what I
39:43
mean by that is that I hit the football lottery. I thought I was
39:45
good, you know, fireball, and I had to go junior, you
39:47
know, juco, I had to work my way up. I'm not.
39:51
I wasn't the man. You look at Wyoming, we were the big things
39:53
on mis acuracy. And he's you know, against the best competition. He
39:57
played in Iowa and he sucked. And he played some some other you know,
40:00
relatively mediocre Big ten school or something like that, and he sucks.
40:04
What is this kid going to be? And almost it looked like after his
40:07
second like oh shit, like I can do this. And what I mean
40:12
by that is that he's he is he's satisfied with the success that he is
40:17
that he has reached. So what I mean by that is the Matten cover
40:21
is a lifetime dream for any young boy that plays football. Uh, he's
40:24
you know, talks about how much he loves to golf and he wants to
40:27
golf the hundred best courses in America or one hundred best courses in the world,
40:30
and that's his off season. And I do me a DT. No
40:35
getting mad at me, but be a DT. Have both said that it's
40:37
important for them to unplug and get away and be human. One of the
40:40
things I couldn't stand about the Stephan Digg's criticisms. You know, he does
40:44
all this fashion. What does it matter what he's doing in his off season
40:46
because they need a chance to unplug. So I don't I don't care that
40:50
Josh Golf's but one of the things that have come out on Twitter is that
40:52
Josh doesn't work as hard. One of the things that came out on Twitter
40:55
Mama Monday is that one of the things that rubbed stuff on the wrong way
41:00
was that he knew Josh didn't work as hard and because of that that made
41:04
him feel a certain type of way again, specifically after thirteen seconds. Is
41:08
Josh like looking at himself sometimes in the mere Mama money, like, oh
41:12
shit, is that why he pukes before games? I mean, let's dive
41:15
into the to the quarterback's mind, because I'm very fascinated by who he is,
41:21
because I'm obviously leaning on him to take us to the promised Land.
41:23
He's our chance, he's our ticket. He is, and he knows it,
41:30
and the pressure of that I think is weighing upon him as every year
41:36
passes, as every thirteen second opportunity goes by the wayside. Okay, But
41:42
to address your question, I think the bigger issue with Josh is not that
41:46
he's surprised necessarily, but that he is self admitted. And we've talked about
41:55
this before. He says he's an introvert, right, And I believe that
42:00
because you don't see him out at the bars and out socializing and doing all
42:05
that stuff because he doesn't like to be around people, right, He doesn't,
42:08
and he has to be. That's the definition of introvert. Introvert is
42:14
a person who needs space to be by themselves in order to recharge their batteries,
42:20
and an extrovert is somebody the exact opposite who needs to be around people,
42:24
who has to be around people. They off of it exactly. And
42:29
Josh is an introvert. And I think that that that also does not necessarily
42:35
help him in terms of his leadership skills, because he's got to be he's
42:38
got to be engaged, and he's not always engaged. I don't think in
42:44
terms of the greater part of the job, in terms of communicating. We
42:50
saw that Week one against the Jets. I think that the moment was just,
42:52
oh my gosh, Aaron Rodgers is coming back and and oh my gosh,
42:55
we're on Monday night football to start the season, and he started doing
42:59
that. You know, we've seen sugar high Josh. You know, we
43:04
know we know what sugar high Josh is all about. So I don't think
43:07
he was surprised because look at he sent out nine hundred and ninety eight,
43:14
Well, he sent out a thousand letters, nine hundred and ninety eight of
43:16
them rejected him. He was never recruited, so he overcame so much.
43:24
Was he surprised new I don't think so. Inside, he's got that alpha
43:30
dog competitor. I'm going to do this. I'm going to show you that
43:32
I can do this. And he did, and he had not jumping over
43:36
the guys that he's jumped over career, everything that he could do. Now
43:42
that being said, I do think that being an introverted person, it's hard
43:49
for him to engage in those social activities all the time when you're the quarterback
43:54
and everything's going on. And so when he hits the off season, I
43:59
think it's like unplugged get away. I don't want to talk to anybody,
44:04
get out of my face. Sure, let me go golfing, let me
44:06
be out in nature. And I think that's why he golfs, because he
44:08
can be on the golf course and nobody's him in a couple buddies, right,
44:15
you know, So that's why he stays at home all the time.
44:16
So I don't think he was surprised by by his accomplishments, but I honestly
44:22
think he's uncomfortable with it. Interesting. I think he's uncomfortable with it.
44:27
And and for him, oddly enough to be dating a movie star, I
44:32
know, I was just good you took the words out of my mouth,
44:35
because he was way more comfortable when he was dating this college sweetheart than what
44:39
he was you know with now with the superstar. But at the same time,
44:45
I will say this, and it's something to think about in terms of
44:49
supporting evidence. You want to know how conflict avoiding he was looks no further
44:52
than how long it took for him to break off that relationship that he had
44:57
with his eyes. You know, want to give me on that, Mama
45:00
money, we will shift because uh no, I do know what you're saying,
45:06
and I think that there are there are not only valid points to that
45:09
that there are some people listen through the grape vine, Mama Monday, some
45:14
people think that his personal relationships affected that Cincinnati game and that that's where that's
45:19
absolutely believe that it absolutely did, and that right there is the issue that
45:23
we have to talk about in terms of him being able to separate his personal
45:29
life from his professional life. Right and I want him to be more Tom
45:36
Brady and less Kyle Orton DT DT. It's funny because you know, I
45:44
I understand how professional sports works, and I understand that you are judged by,
45:49
you know, your accomplishments. You're judged by you know rings in the
45:52
end, you know that's the silly Lebron you know Jordan debate. It's like,
45:54
you know, why can't we just appreciate the fact that they are both
45:58
excellent basketball players. I picked because that's where I grew up. I grew
46:00
up in that era, so I would always say Mike. But so many
46:02
people will want to fight you and say that it's it's Lebron. Why can't
46:07
it just be you know that they're both great, because it seems like this
46:09
hot, this hot take stove society that we're in now got to pick one
46:14
or the other, got to pick one of the other. I think I
46:16
think that that played into the to the breakup DT. I think that that
46:20
played into it. It's funny because I'm most worried about the fact that I
46:23
wanted Brandon Bean to broke or something for the twenty twenty four season. Again,
46:28
I told you guys last week, I definitely could see after twenty twenty
46:31
five us moving on from Stefan Diggs with his agent, different things like that.
46:35
I just thought that it was a year early, and I didn't want
46:37
it to be about tweets. I didn't want it to be about hurt feelings.
46:40
I didn't want it to be about this guy makes me uncomfortable. I
46:44
wanted it to be about let's figure out a way to get them on the
46:47
phone together to get this thing worked out because we're in a super Bowl window.
46:52
Every season wasted DT. I know that you won't disagree with me on
46:54
this. Every season in his prime is another season wasted? Am I?
47:00
Am I wrong with that? I have argued with people at Nauzy on Twitter.
47:04
I want to just argue with me and I. I thought that we
47:07
could wait one more year. That's all that's But that also contradicts the why
47:14
he's gone. Right, if it if it was squashable, that's what they've
47:17
been trying to do, right, that's what they've been trying to this drama.
47:22
If this drama comes back from thirteen seconds and one squashable, what do
47:25
you think that's when the team's focused. So this whole time is trying to
47:30
push this down, and then it's it's kind of showing its head a little
47:32
bit into the public here and there, and and then we take it and
47:36
run and everyone goes wild about it. But they keep pushing it down,
47:38
pushing it down, and then it finally gets to the point where it's just
47:42
like, all right, it's done, it's over. And with all those
47:45
things that could happen with Josh being in his prime, with the super Bowl
47:49
window right here, like you don't want to waste years, you don't want
47:52
to make your team worse than this situation. But they did. So that
47:55
makes me think it was bigger than you know, I was on the squash
47:59
train. It might have been too big to get squashed. And you know,
48:02
to the points of back to Josh and and his personality type and you
48:07
know, golfing in the off season all that, right, Pat Mahomes,
48:12
golfs, Travis Kelseys, all this stuff, But it's it's all mass when
48:16
you're within the story. Isn't Josh Allen on the golf course in the off
48:21
season, it's you know, super Bowl champion. He goes out and plays.
48:23
It's a lot less luster than you know, going right. So that's
48:28
that's your Josh coming up. Back back on the Josh persona here coming up
48:35
with kind of you know, uh a nobody, small town probably where we
48:38
got it that introvert in him became started realizing he could play, he could
48:43
play, got you know, grew into I got nothing, Let me go
48:46
get something. Okay, I finally got that Juco bow D one. I
48:50
got that. Now let me go to the NFL. Probably it might not
48:53
work. Now it is now it's the biggest that has been So he's been
48:59
realized, realizing, yes, adjusting to this his the whole time, his
49:07
whole life. Okay, So that makes me think that, yes, now
49:10
he needs to take that next step to be great. You know, he's
49:15
he he got he was nobody, and then he was D one, then
49:17
he was he was nobody, then he was first round draft pick, then
49:21
he was still nobody. Now he's one of the best quarterbacks right now.
49:27
You have to make that step to be great. And if he's learned somewhat
49:30
quickly, I mean he's not even thirty years old yet. If he's learned
49:32
somewhat quickly how to succeed in all these other adversity steps, he now hopefully
49:38
can quickly adjust to that next step of becoming great bringing a Super Bowl to
49:43
Buffalo, so that you know the thing is that he's Yes, I agree
49:49
with Robin on a lot of that stuff, and a lot of it contradicts
49:52
to your general definition of QB one leader quarterback. But you know, you
49:57
could probably go through and say that about I bring up Brady and Manning all
50:00
the time, but they're the greatest, right, So I mean Brady was
50:02
probably a little bit introverted, you know, Michael Jordan was probably Brian Kobe
50:07
Bryant definitely introverted. Like it doesn't mean you can't lead it and fight and
50:14
but yeah, you know, so I hope that the Michael Jordan was introverted
50:21
the quickly way he's been able to achieve, you know, from nothing to
50:25
greatness, nothing to greatness, nothing to greatness. Now this is the step,
50:29
Like you've shown you can be good. Now we need the hard way
50:31
to back it up. And that's you know, that's the next step he
50:35
has to take. Obviously, all right, Justice, as we begin to
50:38
wrap up tonight, again, I appreciate all of your insights tonight because you
50:43
know, again I do truly need to to move on and I understand that,
50:45
and I'm gonna stop arguing with people on on Twitter about Digs. I'm
50:49
gonna get ready to mute that his name altogether because it is time to focus
50:52
in on the Bills. As the draft is up a couple of weeks away,
50:55
actually two weeks away from tonight. So we are going to be back
50:59
next week d T and I for a draft preview episode. Can't wait for
51:02
it. Justice General one thing that again, this is one of the last
51:07
things, my last heave. I'm tired, y'all. Beat me up.
51:10
I'm in the corner. I can't breathe that well, it's almost the end
51:14
of the round. I'm gonna throw one more haymaker out there. Listen.
51:17
I have been fighting with so many people on Twitter about this KC model,
51:22
and I think that it is it's a fallacy. I don't okay. I
51:28
am just like Bill Smofy, like everybody else. I want them to win
51:30
the super Bowl every single year. I wish the Bill's had twenty five super
51:34
Bowls and like I understand it, I wish that everything was rosy every single
51:38
day of the week. Justice, I need to posit this to you.
51:40
It's starting to really really tick me off from people want to compare this to
51:45
well, Mahomes got rid of Tyreek Hill and they got better. I see
51:52
absolutely no apples to apples comparison. Casey traded the Cheetah, they got a
51:58
ship tone back. We got to say a round pick for next year.
52:00
Yes, I'm happy that with Diggs's age that we were able to even get
52:04
that. I'm not complaining. Brandon Bean did what he had to do after
52:07
that, he knew that he had to trade him, so I'm not complaining.
52:08
But it is not the same. Patrick Mahomes has the benefit of a
52:13
Hall of Fame head coach who also happens to call the place for him every
52:19
single time he's on the field. Josh Allen does not have that luxury,
52:23
so to speak. And the last thing is that he has a Hall of
52:25
Fame Tighten and he will moon walk into the Hall of Fame in Travis Kelcey.
52:30
Josh Allen has not played with one Hall of Famer now. The only
52:34
one that you would be able to say is Stefan Digs. And he still
52:37
needs a few more years of a thousand yard season, some good production in
52:42
Houston or Dallas wherever he goes in the future to get to that threshold.
52:45
I don't think it's apples to apples if what I think is that we want
52:50
to be like Casey so much justice that we are now starting to make comparisons
52:53
that are not comparable, and we're setting ourselves up for failure again. Said
52:57
at the beginning, hope we wouldn't super Bowl twenty four. I wish we
53:00
wonted last year. I wish we wanted when I was five, six,
53:02
seven to eight in super Bowl twenty five through twenty I wish we win in
53:06
every year. I think that we could possibly possibly be setting ourselves up for
53:10
a little bit of failure. The offense is not as good as it was
53:14
the day that we traded Stefan Diggs. I think that we have taken a
53:16
step back, and now as we come up to the draft two weeks away,
53:20
justice we not only need to replace Gave Davis, now we need to
53:23
replace Gay Davis and stuff on Diggs that makes Brandon Beatans and the Scouts jobs
53:28
doubly hard. I think that people want that want to just scoff at this
53:30
and well, josh is just as almost good as Patrick Mahomes. They traded
53:35
away Tyreek Hill. It'll be the same. Oh, josh Alla is getting
53:39
ready to show what he can do and show that he can carry the bills.
53:43
I think that that is so foolish. I think you should surround him
53:45
with talent and I'm just worried. That's what I told my good friend from
53:50
high school last night. I'm worried about the twenty twenty four bills. Offense,
53:52
talk me off a legend. If you feel like it, justice,
53:55
you've got the floor. First of all, I want to say shout out
53:58
to a thousand lives where as dope as hell. Yeah, we really appreciate
54:02
it. Appreciate it. Secondly, I want to say that Lebron James is
54:06
absolutely better than Michael Jordan's third. It's all perspective. I would I will
54:14
fight you on that, but it's all perspective. All right. So for
54:17
first, before he was Josh Allen plays quarterback in office athletic competition there is
54:28
on the planet. Right then, yes, the these are the greatest athletes
54:32
the world has ever seen. Okay, And he's a top two quarterback.
54:37
And he's throwing down lineback, throwing down defensive lineman running as cornerbacks since safety
54:44
is okay, I promise, I promise you. Josh works hard, Okay,
54:47
I promise. All Right, he's not park KT. I know he
54:52
plays like it sometimes, but he's still human as far as we know.
54:57
Okay, Okay, that but in the he puts in the work, and
55:00
I don't think that we've ever, we've never we've never questioned that DT here
55:04
on Nicholsidic group. Okay, I've heard some people questioned it though, I
55:07
mean, yeah, I heard it. I mean during the little debate.
55:09
I just heard that Deff wasn't happy with his his work ethic, I don't
55:14
know. Not only that, but he has a savant level football acumen on
55:19
a clip on the whiteboard. So like we'll be okay, okay, as
55:22
far as talking you off the ledge where you take a look at Stefan Diggs
55:28
is a fan phenomenal wide receiver, right, and that's why we had him.
55:30
That's why we loved him. Uh, and that's why we you know,
55:34
thought that he was going to help us win multiple super Bowls. Right.
55:37
However, he costs a lot of money. Okay, he us a
55:40
lot of money, right. Uh. Not only that, but we were
55:44
going to have to give gave Davis a lot of money in order to do
55:46
right. So you lose both of those guys off of the salary cap,
55:51
right of course, dis one hundred and fifty plus catches gone, Oh for
55:53
sure, but you you, but you get an opportunity this year. We
55:58
know that Brandon means scouting team is absolutely phenomenal. Right, they got gave
56:02
Davis. I mean, if gave Davis catches ninety five percent of his passes,
56:07
he's all probed like three years. All right, okay, you take
56:14
a look at that, right, and now you have an opportunity in thank
56:16
goodness, a super rich wide receiver class. This class is stacked with.
56:23
All right, take two of those. Now you got let's say Brian Thomas
56:29
Jr. Let's say Adam I Mitchell, Let's say Kean Coleman. Let's say
56:32
Xavier Loo Yet, let's say McConkie. Let's say or do you get any
56:38
two of those on rookie contracts? Dalton k on a rookie contract, James
56:46
on a rookie contract, Curtis Samuel or not Kurts Samuel. I'm sorry,
56:51
Sam, what's saying? Oh, Curtis Samie? Yeah, Purty Samuel.
56:54
So he's going to be here for a few years. Right, We've got
56:57
Mike Johnson back. Well, I really like Johnson. I like Johnson for
57:04
the first time in what felt like a decade, a offensive line continuity that
57:09
was good. You got the game together, every game together, played every
57:15
game together. You get a offensive coordinator who actually knows how to do the
57:19
job. And then you get him for a full season, a full off
57:22
season program for him to implement everything that he stands for, for him to
57:25
implement his offense. Right mm hmm, the office is gonna be fine,
57:30
I promise. Okay, I'll tell you why. Why If Josh Allen takes
57:37
a three step drop. At the top of his drop, who's gonna be
57:40
open? It's gonna be Diggs, I'll give you that, right, m
57:44
But fifty percent of Josh's dropped back to what diz he dude get in the
57:49
pocket and be like, oh, gotta go get him, leave a wide
57:55
open gap due to it happens all the time, all right, Okay,
58:00
okay, So no concerns about the twenty twenty four offense. No, no,
58:05
not about the offense. Okay. If there was anything I was going
58:07
to be concerned about, it'd be the defense because we lost so many people.
58:09
But even that I'm not really concerned about because if you look at the
58:13
way the defense operates under Sean McDermott, it's not based on the players on
58:17
the field, just like, like, I really don't mean to put them
58:28
in this light, but micaeh High and Jordan Ployer. They weren't all pros
58:31
before they came to Buffalo, correct, They just happened to be two serviceable
58:37
safeties who came together and formed like Vultron, like Voltron in the league because
58:44
of the defense they played in. Not that they're not individually great safeties,
58:47
but the scheme helped them. Team put them over the top. Toront Johnson,
58:52
the scheme puts you over the top. Matt Malono, the scheme puts
58:54
you over the top. And I don't you know what I mean? So
58:57
like Ala Oliver is actually really good, So I take that back about him,
59:00
But I understand what you're trying to say. The linebacker position go nowhere,
59:06
had no idea christ nowhere, right, They come out of nowhere and
59:13
they contribute in this defense because the scheme is phenomenal and that's not gonna change.
59:17
So they're gonna Like I said, Brandon mean scouts, it's excellent.
59:22
Right, He's the most wins of any team over the last four years under
59:25
his belt. Should happen in the regular season. In the regular season thoughts
59:32
on McDermott, I'm right there with you, right, But McBean, as
59:36
far as Bean goes he's gonna get the job done every time. So if
59:40
that will talk you off the ledge, I don't know who will Mama Monday
59:45
as we close up tonight and we close up shop. Any concerned about the
59:50
twenty twenty four offense. No, I don't drinking all the kool aid that
59:53
that justice is for me. He put a couple of ice cubes. I
1:00:00
got a lot of I would just go taking a word about you put a
1:00:02
lot of sugar in that ship. But it's good. It's red and it's
1:00:06
good. Okay. I'm not mad at y'all. I used to love kool
1:00:10
aid. I'm not mad at y'all. Okay, no problems, no,
1:00:13
no issues at all. Stefan Diggs walks out the door. You you trust
1:00:16
and being to get it done in the draft because now, like I said,
1:00:20
you don't need one. You need to now, but you're you're aware
1:00:22
of that. Right we got we lost our top two receivers. Okay,
1:00:25
and tell them, but let me say one thing absolutely here here, okay,
1:00:36
yass season this year? Okay. I like the energy. I like
1:00:39
the energy DT No, No, no problems everything, No, I mean
1:00:45
there's there's concern, right fifty plus catches walked out the door from last season.
1:00:50
No everything straight, even if you're just draft either, just concave.
1:00:54
Even if this draft goes absolutely perfect and you get you know, you get
1:00:59
like we we get some names we never thought we would get in two crazy
1:01:01
receivers, and even if it goes perfect, they're still concerned. But after
1:01:06
week one of last year, when we're you know, another super Bowl favorite
1:01:08
after week one and then lay a complete egg to the newest out there,
1:01:14
you know, this guy's falling and we and we come back and get and
1:01:16
figure it out and win the games we need to down the stretch. And
1:01:21
and that's you know, I think the nucleus is still there on this team.
1:01:23
There's holes we have to fill, but you have to rely on on
1:01:28
on one seven and that defensive scheme that that the general just just spoke on,
1:01:32
you know. And and I think the draft is they have big plans
1:01:36
for this. As you said, they're not gonna waste a year of Josh
1:01:37
Allen's prime. So if they got rid of Diggs, they gotta have something,
1:01:43
and they gotta have the ace and the sleeve to kind of fill that.
1:01:45
And it doesn't have to be an exact match. It just has to
1:01:50
be a matter of wins, and it has to be an obviously an upward
1:01:52
expansion of Shakir Kincaid and Knox Curtis. Samuel's got to come in and have
1:01:57
a better year than he's had in Washington year quarterback yep. And then they're
1:02:02
gonna have to bring two guys in that you know, that are going to
1:02:06
fill that one hundred and fifty catchouns. So there is concern, for sure,
1:02:08
but it's I mean from from just from the losses. Losses with this
1:02:24
team wasn't good enough, you know, So I'm never gonna want to decline
1:02:29
in any way. But if you you know, the difference from a divisional
1:02:31
loss to to a wild card boss or missing the playoffs is all the same,
1:02:36
And I wouldn't be satisfied if one of those things happens next year.
1:02:40
But it's so I'm confident, but they're you know, there there's obvious holes
1:02:45
that you know, you don't have to you don't have to count. I
1:02:47
mean, I'll be here, have an anxiety for for the four of us.
1:02:51
I mean, that's that's fine. I mean I do I do think
1:02:54
that being is a great GM like like Justice spoke too, and I think
1:02:58
that all of those things are true. I do think that. Yeah,
1:03:01
I thought that we could just wait another year. But that's what I needed
1:03:05
y'all for. I need y'all to help me. I just want to ask
1:03:07
you a question. Yes, sir, take a look a look at the
1:03:10
NFL landscape right now. You said you're anxious, right, yes, you
1:03:15
give me concerned. Give me four teams in the entire NFL that are better
1:03:20
than the Buffaloville's right now that I was talking about the AFC, you're talking
1:03:23
I want. I just want to get to the super Bowl. I'm not
1:03:25
worried about winning it. I think that Houston is a much better team.
1:03:30
I think that, uh, you know, Baltimore still has to be reckoned
1:03:31
with. I think, you know, I'm worried always about Kansas City because
1:03:37
they're the Buggaboo and they're the ones that always are knocking us out. And
1:03:39
then if you want one more, I mean you can. You can look
1:03:42
up and down the divisions and pick one. There's always a surprise team.
1:03:44
Who knows Anthony Richard Colson coming back? I don't, I don't know,
1:03:49
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think you
1:03:52
could pick one from another division that could that. Look at you know,
1:03:59
Houston, Baltimore, Kansas City, they all are, We're all equal with
1:04:02
them. And I think I think we're done. Whatmore done? What has
1:04:06
Baltimore done? I think Cincinnati's got their quarterback coming back. They've been to
1:04:10
a super Bowl, a place we haven't been. I'm just worried about the
1:04:13
offense. I think I think I put more pressure on McDermott to cover the
1:04:17
d since that's his baby, that's the side of the ball. He has
1:04:19
shown an acumen last season was obviously his magnet opus in respects to patching it
1:04:26
up with the injuries. You know, so we have DT and I have
1:04:29
already given his flowers as much as I can't stand, and we have already
1:04:31
given his flowers for the job that he did last year, because he did
1:04:34
a wonderful job. So yeah, I'm nervous about the offense. You know,
1:04:38
you have to hit on these draft picks. These draft picks are not
1:04:41
just you know, guaranteed lottery tickets. They are scratch offs, and you
1:04:45
could get something back if you can get back your money or more, or
1:04:47
you could just get nothing. And you're throwing it up, crumbling and putting
1:04:50
in the trash. So that's how I look at the draft. I think
1:04:51
the draft is very much a crapshoot. I do understand that scouting is important
1:04:57
and things like that. Those top quarterbacks that you see, you can have
1:05:00
them go one, two, three, four. Half of the Motherbuckers are
1:05:02
going to be out of the league before before you can even blink their eye
1:05:08
on their fifth year options. So it's just such a cut I mean,
1:05:13
you ever you ever win money not a science, It's not a science that
1:05:16
money on craps? You ever win money on crash? Mean personally though,
1:05:20
it's it's it's the biggest everything. Yeah, it's a crab shoot. But
1:05:26
when that when that crab shoe hits, it's amazing. So love it.
1:05:30
Give me the dice, baby, roll them up. Oh, I love
1:05:31
it. I love it. I love it. Around the horn again,
1:05:34
I really appreciate all of your time tonight. As we wrap up again,
1:05:38
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Absolutely editor excuse me. She's the editor in chief at Buffalo fan Base,
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m VP Holly Ethical. We appreciate you coming on and giving so some
1:06:19
of your time tonight. Justice, we really appreciate it. Salute to the
1:06:21
General. To the General, I appreciate it. Uh the dump truck,
1:06:26
I will let you man. They're sending me these bills for the season tickets.
1:06:30
I had to pay my season tickets last month. I know that we
1:06:31
talked about, but maybe want to split these things, so we'll talk about
1:06:34
in the future, because they are getting on my nerves. I don't want
1:06:38
to. I don't want I don't want them to take my money and take
1:06:40
my wide receiver. I mean, the goodness, gracious, I'm going through
1:06:43
a lot of ship right now and they just taking the money and and just
1:06:47
right here. Talk to you later. Rod. We'll talk to you next
1:06:49
month. And I'm just like you. You get a Millie neighbors Jersey.
1:06:53
Don't worry. I love it. I love it. As we close up
1:06:57
tonight, you know it's uh, it's not funny, but it is.
1:07:01
It's definitely noteworthy. You know, yesterday we found out and then I think
1:07:03
everybody really found out this morning that the juice O. J. Simpson passes
1:07:09
away last night surrounded by his parent, excuse me, his family and grandchildren.
1:07:15
They said, his children and grandchildren. I think that Ryan Thomas,
1:07:18
who is another co contributor here on Buffalo fan Base, said it really best
1:07:24
on his Twitter. He's got a complicated legacy, and that is the name
1:07:28
of the episode, to say the least complicated feelings on him, complicated feelings
1:07:31
with stuff I digs, Josh, Josh Allen everything. You know. What
1:07:34
I will say is that he was a hero to many for a long period
1:07:40
of time. I remember my mother telling me stories about meeting him at school
1:07:43
at the Park School right there in Amherst and Snyder, and I remember my
1:07:47
father saying that he would to a couple of parties with the Jews back in
1:07:49
the day, with Booker Edgerson and different things like that. So he was
1:07:54
a hero to many for a certain period of time. Obviously, everything that
1:07:57
happened there after his playing career is done is a reminder to me, and
1:08:01
hopefully it's a reminder to Bill's mafia. I try to raise my three kings
1:08:06
to not put athletes and entertainers on a pedestal. We can appreciate their work,
1:08:11
we can appreciate their movies, we can appreciate their songs. I try
1:08:15
not to put them on a pedestal, because oftentimes a man will be a
1:08:19
man, a woman will be a woman, and we are full of flaws.
1:08:21
We will let you down. So I will just I'll leave it there,
1:08:25
not anything else that needs to be said. One of the greatest running
1:08:28
backs in the history of the NFL let alone the Buffalo Bills. I think
1:08:31
it's not even debatable, and it just, you know, it is what
1:08:35
it is. He is, he's gone on. So the person the only
1:08:38
person that could judge him, he just got a chance to meet last night,
1:08:41
and I think that everybody would be wise just to leave it there.
1:08:44
As opposed to to, you know, kind of accusing people of stuff that
1:08:46
we don't really know about it, because what was this entire episode about Tonight?
1:08:50
We're all wondering what the hell happened between our quarterback and our wide receiver,
1:08:54
and none of us went to work with those guys, so we really
1:08:57
don't know. We're all just we're all just we're all guessing. So again,
1:09:00
I appreciate my panel tonight, dump truck, I mean, hit,
1:09:03
hit them with the gold bills. I mean, listen, spread love out
1:09:05
there, not hate. We will be back next week for our draft preview
1:09:10
DT. You know, I'm not a huge draft guy, but my black
1:09:12
ass is a draft guy this year. It's brady to me. Got my
1:09:15
attention. I'm paying attention this year. Oh man, eleven hundred viewers.
1:09:24
We really appreciate everybody joining tonight. We really do appreciate that. The absolutely
1:09:28
right justice. Again, this is like the third week in the road DT
1:09:30
that we've had over a thousand people watching the show, so we Nickel City
1:09:36
Crew is is growing. We really appreciated DT and I have so many awesome
1:09:41
ideas coming up for the season. Whenever gambling section where we're betting against each
1:09:45
other and picking games. We're gonna have giveaways this season. I'm gonna give
1:09:47
away my, uh my, my prize possession, one of my prize possessions,
1:09:51
which is that Keith McKellen jersey. Again, shout out to Scott Reid.
1:09:55
The k Gun was named after after Keith McKellen. Kelly's a little bit
1:10:00
of history lesson, So listen, we appreciate everybody tonight's spread, love not
1:10:03
hate. Hit them all with the gold bills. Please hit them with the
1:10:06
gold bills. Bills, go bills, Go bills. I love it,
1:10:11
I love it. I love it.