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Credlin | 20 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peto Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Is what's coming up tonight? Iran's president Foreign Minster two
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Speaker 2: killed in a shock helicopter crash in the East Azerbaijan
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Speaker 2: province now given Iran support for Hamas. This comes at
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Speaker 2: a treacherous time for the Middle East intelligence expert Michael Schubridge.
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Speaker 2: It joins me to discuss the ramifications from this crash.
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Speaker 2: Labour seeks to gain more power with its submission to
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Speaker 2: redraw electoral boundaries in New South Wales. This is for
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Speaker 2: the federal election. Impacted very much. The member for Fouler,
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Speaker 2: the Independent Dive Lee, she could be headed for a
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Speaker 2: showdown with Labour's Chris Bowen if these changes go ahead,
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Speaker 2: dially joins me tonight the scandaler's voter entitlement changes, which
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Speaker 2: could impact the eligibility of up to a million voters,
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Speaker 2: designed to hand even more power to the left. Labor
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Speaker 2: was trying to get these changes through by stealth. Well,
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Speaker 2: tonight I'll explose exactly what they're trying to do. Might
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Speaker 2: matters so much and almost one week on now from
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Speaker 2: Tuesday's budget voters are refusing to swallow the Treasurer's spin.
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Speaker 2: The latest polls is three out today, one revealing that
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Speaker 2: voters seventy percent of them are that's sold on the
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Speaker 2: budget's economic benefits. They're worried about housing and migration is
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Speaker 2: shaping up as a key election issue.
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Speaker 3: If the treasure is saying that the economy can only
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Speaker 3: function with migration numbers at in historic high and that
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Speaker 3: the price of that is people not being able to
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Speaker 3: find a home, then I don't sign up to Jim
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Speaker 3: Chalmer's form of Vooda economics. Let's be very clear about it.
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Speaker 3: I believe very strongly that there is enormous economic growth
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Speaker 3: in what we've proposed.
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Speaker 2: Let's stay with the budget. It is absolutely game honor,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. We've had the government's budget and the oppositions
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Speaker 2: address in reply. I think we're headed for an early election. Now,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that labor will go early. There's a
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Speaker 2: whole raft of things get weighed up by a Prime
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Speaker 2: minister and a campaign director before they pull a trigger.
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Speaker 2: But what it does mean, and we can say this
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Speaker 2: without qualification, is that last week's budget is designed to
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Speaker 2: give the Prime Minister the option to call it early,
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Speaker 2: the flexibility that if things go south for the economy,
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Speaker 2: it can get to the polls before you wake up.
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Speaker 2: Sound cynical, I know, but that's a sort of hard
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Speaker 2: headed calculation going on inside Labour's campaign headquarters. And I
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Speaker 2: speak with a bit of understanding here because my husband
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Speaker 2: was the bloke who for fourteen years ran the campaign
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Speaker 2: headquarters for the Liberals. Two elections for John Howard, two
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Speaker 2: of course for Tony Abbott. So believe me, Labor is
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Speaker 2: getting ready to go, but no decisions have yet been made.
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Speaker 2: A Prime minister himself, well, he will not yet have
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Speaker 2: made a call on a new early election. He'll have
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Speaker 2: an open mind right now, but he'll want all the
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Speaker 2: ducks lined up. He'll want his candidates pre selected or
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Speaker 2: when his policy is done, so that he's got the
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Speaker 2: option to call it when it's in his best political interests,
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Speaker 2: because options and flexibility that is key in a campaign,
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Speaker 2: particularly for the incumbent. As I wrote in the weekend papers,
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Speaker 2: what was on display last week we took quite different
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Speaker 2: approaches to government, meaning that for the first time since
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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen they have an election in promising to repeal
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Speaker 2: a carbon tax, stop the votes. All of that, I
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Speaker 2: reckon we're going to actually have an election this time
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Speaker 2: where there's a clear choice between the two major parties.
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Speaker 2: On the labor side, they want to close down our
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Speaker 2: resourced industries and rapidly shift Australia to a net zero economy,
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Speaker 2: with big government to force you there if necessary, and
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Speaker 2: use taxpayer funds to mask any pain. The Coalition, by contrast,
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Speaker 2: wants to pull back Australia from the energy cliff that
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Speaker 2: Labour's taking us over, reduced the pace of change and
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Speaker 2: pushed back against its politically correct excesses, things like unsustainably
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Speaker 2: high immigration. In terms of Labour's pre elections sweetness, the
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Speaker 2: tax cards, the handouts, wayfitthin surplus, doesn't get much better
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Speaker 2: than that, or at least that's what the government wants
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Speaker 2: you to think. But it seems in polls, and there's
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Speaker 2: been three, as I said, over the past couple of days,
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Speaker 2: voters haven't really been that impressed. Today's News poll shows
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Speaker 2: a slight uptick in the government's standing, Labour's primary vote
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Speaker 2: up to thirty four percent and the Coalition is dropping
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Speaker 2: out to thirty seven percent. With all the budget publicity
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Speaker 2: and the millions are going to spend on government advertising.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised, but the budget itself, that's a bit
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Speaker 2: of a flop despite all those goodies, with just twenty
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Speaker 2: seven percent of voters seeking the budget's good for the economy. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is the worst score since they first started polling
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Speaker 2: that question back in nineteen ninety nine. As well, forty
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Speaker 2: six percent of you said the budget would have been
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Speaker 2: either good nor bad for the economy. That's another record result.
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Speaker 2: Labor spending billions of dollars and end up with almost
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Speaker 2: half the electorate lukewarm to say the least. About the
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Speaker 2: only win that Labour can bank is at the PM's
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Speaker 2: net favorability rating has returned to neutral, so as many
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Speaker 2: people like him as don't like him. Now, if you're
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Speaker 2: inside Labor, that's a movie you'd be pretty happy with
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Speaker 2: because he's made in negative territory since the voice, meaning
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Speaker 2: more people disliked him than liked him. But while that's
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Speaker 2: a small win for the Prime Minister, my instincts are
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Speaker 2: the public are as yet unconvinced by either side. Voters
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Speaker 2: know that government won the election last time, and a
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Speaker 2: false pretenses a green left party pretending that they were
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Speaker 2: safe change and that they've utterly failed to deliver on
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Speaker 2: their promises to cutch a power bill, keep interest rates
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Speaker 2: low and to boost your real wages. But they've not
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Speaker 2: yet persuaded that the Opposition have not yet persuaded people
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Speaker 2: that they would actually be changed for the better. I
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Speaker 2: think Photeros want much lower immigration, that's clear because they
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Speaker 2: know that immigration at these record levels a million newcomers
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Speaker 2: in just the past two years is toxic for cost
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Speaker 2: of living. But they'd also like to see a bit
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Speaker 2: more detail from Peter Dutton on how he's going to
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Speaker 2: make it all happen, desvite his good record as a minister,
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Speaker 2: didn't I own energy? I mean, they like the idea
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Speaker 2: of nuclear power and I have to say it's a
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Speaker 2: gutsy move by the Coalition to put it on the table.
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Speaker 2: But they want more information now than the what, the where,
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Speaker 2: the how. So watch this space. That's very much imminent.
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Speaker 2: The battle line's the next election. They are clearly drawn housing,
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Speaker 2: cost of living, energy, immigration, immigration of course feeding into
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Speaker 2: every whichever party has the most convincing offering here will
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Speaker 2: be in the box seat of the next election. Because
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Speaker 2: Labour's big Australia push and that is the kicker. It's
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Speaker 2: on the nose with photos on the right, on the
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Speaker 2: left and everywhere in between. Let's go to Camber now
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Speaker 2: Trindy Macintosh with the headlines.
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Speaker 4: The Opposition is under pressure to explain whether it's proposed
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Speaker 4: cuts to migration will hurt the economy. Last week, Peter
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Speaker 4: Dutton unbailed his plan to slash migration and cap international
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Speaker 4: student numbers to help his housing pressures.
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Speaker 3: We can't abide a situation where you bring in a
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Speaker 3: population bigger than Adelaide's in a five year period and
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Speaker 3: not have homes for them.
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Speaker 1: He has a vibe, not a policy. When you look
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Speaker 1: at the detail, simpism.
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Speaker 5: There no costings, no understanding about impact on the economy.
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Speaker 4: The Treasurer claims the coalition proposal will punch a hole
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Speaker 4: in the budget.
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Speaker 6: What costs the economy billions of dollars?
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Speaker 3: I don't sign up to Jim Chalmer's form of Voodha Economics.
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Speaker 4: Corporate watchdog ASEX says banks and not doing enough to
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Speaker 4: help struggling borrowers. ACIK reviewed hardship arrangements of ten large lenders.
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Speaker 4: It found one in three customers trying to apply for
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Speaker 4: hardship assistance drop out because the process is too complicated.
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Speaker 7: What this report shows, however, is that banks and lenders
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Speaker 7: are falling short of the community's expectations.
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Speaker 4: And Premier is pushed to impose age restrictions for children
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Speaker 4: accessing social media.
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Speaker 8: The truth of the matter is that social media and
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Speaker 8: access to it is a giant experiment that we're conducting
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Speaker 8: on young people and it's basically unregulated.
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Speaker 4: The New South Wales leader says he won't wait for
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Speaker 4: federal action to stop young children accessing platforms like Instagram
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Speaker 4: and TikTok.
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Speaker 8: A suspicion is it would be better to move as
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Speaker 8: a nation, but the New South Wales government isn't going
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Speaker 8: to wait for that.
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Speaker 9: I know that it's very hard for parents to regulate
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Speaker 9: that themselves.
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Speaker 10: I think that discussion is really useful.
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Speaker 4: South Australia has already floated an age band for children
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Speaker 4: under fourteen. Chris Mins says it may need to.
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Speaker 8: Be higher, sixteen should be, in my view, the minimum age.
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Speaker 11: We'll let those big states have a good look at
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Speaker 11: what they can possibly do, let them do the work
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Speaker 11: around legislation, but I am very supportive of it.
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Speaker 4: Trudy Macintosh Sky News Camera.
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Speaker 2: Right what happens now between last week's budget and of
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Speaker 2: course the return of parliament for two weeks. House sets
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Speaker 2: are two weeks and then you have two weeks of
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Speaker 2: budget certed estimates that's looming this week. Everyone's on the road.
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Speaker 2: This is the big week that the opposition and the
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Speaker 2: government plan to hit the road and convince you their
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Speaker 2: budget scored. And the Opposition leader says no, it's not.
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Speaker 2: My plan is better early election potentially. That means about
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Speaker 2: there pretty hard today and the polls three out. Not
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Speaker 2: great news for labor, certainly not in the detail on
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Speaker 2: the budget. But I've got to be honest, plenty of
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Speaker 2: work for the coalition to do too. Let's pull it
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Speaker 2: all apart. National editor at The Australian, Dennis Shanahan, Well,
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Speaker 2: I just said at the top of the show, Dennis,
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Speaker 2: I mean clearly now, I feel like there's a sense,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you can agree here that we've got some
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Speaker 2: line and length from both sides and we'd see these
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Speaker 2: battle lines for the election. Certainly there's going to be
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Speaker 2: a fight about housing immigration from the opposition leader absolutely
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Speaker 2: squarely on the table. The Treasurer today is still pushing
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Speaker 2: his line though that his budget spend will not be inflationary.
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Speaker 2: Now the experts disagree, and in most of the polls
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Speaker 2: out today when they are so specific, you're worried about
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Speaker 2: your rates, are concerned about inflation. Voters are not. With
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Speaker 2: the Treasurer. Here the Austrain Financial Review, we'd had a
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Speaker 2: poll out saying voters, fore you budget will raise rates.
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Speaker 2: A similar sort of number there forty percent, I think
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Speaker 2: it was in that case in your poll and use poll.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into the guts of use poll in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But housing and immigration, Dennis, do you think that is
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Speaker 2: the two big battle line issues?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 12: Certainly, housing and immigration have become welded together. They are
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Speaker 12: now the one topic. And Peter Dutton's done quite a
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Speaker 12: good job in making them one topic because they are
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Speaker 12: actually the symptoms of the greater problems of cost of living.
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Speaker 12: And cost of living is also driven by energy, and
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Speaker 12: so what Peter Dutton has done he has made immigration,
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Speaker 12: housing interchangeable as major problems on the back of a
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Speaker 12: cost of living crisis and concerns about the price of energy.
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Speaker 12: These are the four topics we are going to see
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Speaker 12: all the way through to the election, and at the election,
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Speaker 12: the opposition is trying to look at the longer term.
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Speaker 12: And as you mentioned, the finn Review pole, the Freshwater pole,
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Speaker 12: what people are looking at is the longer term. They
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Speaker 12: are no longer just accepting the short term giveaways and
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Speaker 12: they are asking the harder questions about long term economic policy,
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Speaker 12: and housing and immigration are at the heart of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right to say that they are
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Speaker 2: looking much further out. And we saw this consistently across
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Speaker 2: those three poles in US and I think the voter
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Speaker 2: is quite shrewd here. Of course, they're going to put
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Speaker 2: the money in their pocket. They're doing it tough, although
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Speaker 2: those energy rebates go to the energy company, not to individuals.
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Speaker 2: But they're worried about rates. They're worried about talk there
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Speaker 2: might be a rise now, not the cuts they thought
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Speaker 2: were coming. They're worried about inflation. They get inflation. You
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Speaker 2: know a lot of people in camb but don't think
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Speaker 2: ordinary people out there get something like inflation. They do,
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Speaker 2: they feel it, but they understand how much it's turning
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Speaker 2: them longer term. In your news poll today there was
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Speaker 2: a short, small uptick for the government, still behind the
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Speaker 2: coalition in primary vote terms. But this is interesting twenty
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Speaker 2: seven percent only of people thought the budget was good
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Speaker 2: for the economy. Now, that is the lowest on record
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Speaker 2: since Newspop asked the question in nineteen ninety nine. We're
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Speaker 2: talking back there the gst election. That's got to be
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Speaker 2: sobering for labor.
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Speaker 12: Indeed, and Peter, I've been at The Australian for all
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Speaker 12: of those newspolls on the budget since nineteen ninety nine,
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Speaker 12: and what is remarkable. I have great faith in the
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Speaker 12: Australian electorate. I think it is politically savvy and I
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Speaker 12: think it is more economically numeral than a lot of
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Speaker 12: populations around the world, partly because I think of compulsory voting.
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Speaker 12: But that aside that the public is alert to what
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Speaker 12: is happening in the broader economy and in the past
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Speaker 12: they have actually rewarded treasures. I'm thinking here of Peter
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Speaker 12: Costello for taking tough action at a budget even when
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Speaker 12: they say they are going to be worse off as
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Speaker 12: a budget. Now, this budget was designed to make people
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Speaker 12: better off and claim to be deflationary and good for
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Speaker 12: the economy. Well, that poll today shows that people aren't
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Speaker 12: buying it. The freshwater pole as well, people don't believe
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Speaker 12: it's going to achieve the objects that the treasurer are
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Speaker 12: set out, and they are still fearful of interest rate
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Speaker 12: rises and continuing inflation. I don't think the budget line
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Speaker 12: has worked so far for the Australian population.
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Speaker 2: I think, alongside can pulsorily revoting to Dennis, Australia has
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Speaker 2: got one of the highest ratios of shareholder in the world.
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Speaker 2: I mean, most of that's obviously through our superannuation funds,
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Speaker 2: but people are engaged in the markets, They're watching the economy.
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Speaker 2: You know, our news is at night they run a
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Speaker 2: share market update. You know, they run through the markets,
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Speaker 2: they run through the Aussie dollar and how we're peeking overseas.
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Speaker 2: You watch news programs internationally, they don't have that financial
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Speaker 2: data in the news broadcast. I think that's where we've
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Speaker 2: got such an informed Australian electric You're spot on camera
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Speaker 2: doesn't think that you and I know we know the
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Speaker 2: people out there are smarter than camera thinks they are.
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Speaker 2: The other policy there were three. This is the third
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Speaker 2: one Resolve Political Monitor. It shows that a big cut
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Speaker 2: to immigration is well supported by voters a sixty six percent,
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Speaker 2: two thirds saying last year's intake was too high. Here's
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Speaker 2: the treasure again on the defensive today.
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Speaker 9: Their budget will put downward pressure on inflation, not upward
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Speaker 9: pressure on inflation. The way that we are managing the
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Speaker 9: budget and the economy responsibly, combined with the way that
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Speaker 9: we've designed our cost of living help, will be part
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Speaker 9: of the solution to our inflation challenge, not part of
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Speaker 9: the problem.
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Speaker 2: And this is a problem labor. Labor's wedged itself on
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Speaker 2: bigg Australia. They love big Australia. They hope all these
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Speaker 2: margarets will e mentually vote for labor. But they've needed
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Speaker 2: big migration numbers to basically stave off a recession, and
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Speaker 2: now they're caught here.
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Speaker 12: Well indeed, and look, it's not just labor. Labor has
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Speaker 12: pushed it high, there's no doubt about it. We've seen
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Speaker 12: record levels now, but over the decades governments have relied
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Speaker 12: on high immigration just to artificially push the economy along. Well,
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Speaker 12: it's got to the stage where it's not working anymore.
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Speaker 12: There are too many people and even the Treasurer has
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Speaker 12: admitted that there is a housing crisis. Labour's policy is
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Speaker 12: now to drastically cut immigration. So how is it that
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Speaker 12: labor can say yes, we are trying to cut immigration,
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Speaker 12: we have to do that, and then oh well, if
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Speaker 12: the leader of the Opposition says he's going to do
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Speaker 12: it, it's bad for the economy. Jim Charms has caught between
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Speaker 12: a rock and a hard place here. He's trying to
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Speaker 12: argue for lower immigration because that's what the majority sixty
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Speaker 12: six percent want. Labor is seen to have introduced and
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Speaker 12: has introduced record high levels of inflation of immigration since COVID,
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Speaker 12: and now they are trying to argue that further cuts
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Speaker 12: from the leader of the Opposition would actually hurt the economy.
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Speaker 12: They can't have it both ways. And what Australian needs
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Speaker 12: is a controlled and planned immigration policy in accordance with
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Speaker 12: what is happening with the economy.
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Speaker 2: I say this again, I've been talking about immigration now
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Speaker 2: for about five years. We have a plan for everything
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Speaker 2: in government. Most departments have a big strategic agenda. The
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Speaker 2: only plan we do not have as a country, he's
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Speaker 2: a Fedican population plan. And the fact that we don't,
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Speaker 2: the fact that the politicians on the left of the
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Speaker 2: right do not want it written down, do not want
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Speaker 2: it debated, means it's all about the economics. It's about
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Speaker 2: this fakery in the budget, Dennis, and I think Australians
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Speaker 2: are actually calling them out over this Assistant Minister for
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Speaker 2: the Republic. It looks like he's going to go to
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Speaker 2: God or not the MP. He'll stay on, likely in
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Speaker 2: the front bench. He's got some other bits to his portfolio.
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Speaker 2: But the talk is the Prime Minister's going to dump
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Speaker 2: this republic title on his front bench, and of course
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Speaker 2: heightened speculation today the midyear reshuffle. Well, I think that's right.
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Speaker 2: They've got to dump that title out of that area
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Speaker 2: and they've also got to dump some of that under performers.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I cannot believe they can go to an
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Speaker 2: election with Clara O'Neill and Andrew Giles in those particular
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Speaker 2: immigration portfolios. I think there'd be a massive campaign liability
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Speaker 2: both of them. Do you think we're going to have
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Speaker 2: a reshuffle over the break.
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Speaker 12: Well, just on the point about the Republican Assistant Minister,
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Speaker 12: that's pretty small beer. In the broader picture. Anthony Alberinez
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Speaker 12: has made it clear even today that he's not going
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Speaker 12: to embark on any more referendums. The last thing he
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Speaker 12: wants to do about that terrible mistake he made about
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Speaker 12: promising to hold a referendum on the Indigenous voice to
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Speaker 12: Parliament is have another referendum, and so that's out of
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Speaker 12: the question. And I think that the much larger question
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Speaker 12: is about a reshuffle, not just on the front bench
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Speaker 12: of the government but on the front bench of the opposition.
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Speaker 12: And I think that the government certainly needs to dump
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Speaker 12: some of these underperformers. Once we get past some of
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Speaker 12: the immigration issues, we need to see a big shakeup
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Speaker 12: in immigration and Home affairs. They have been a complete
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Speaker 12: failure for the entire period of the Albane government. That's
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Speaker 12: just the start. I think that Jim Chalmers is obviously
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Speaker 12: doing the best he can, but I think that at
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Speaker 12: the same time, Peter Dutton needs to look at firing
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Speaker 12: up some and promoting some of the younger, more junior
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Speaker 12: people he has in positions because I think some of
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Speaker 12: the senior team are not cutting through. And you know,
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Speaker 12: when push comes to shove, we're going to have an
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Speaker 12: election in the next twelve months and people will be
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Speaker 12: looking for an all credible alternative, not just Prime Minister
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Speaker 12: but team and Peter Dutton can't do it all on
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Speaker 12: his own, and nor can Anthony Albanese.
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Speaker 2: I have to say I agree with you on the
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Speaker 2: coalition as much as I agree with you on labor.
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Speaker 2: I think Dutton's got some dead wood. I think he's
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Speaker 2: got some lazy buggers in there that he needs to
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Speaker 2: send back to the back of the back bench to
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Speaker 2: wake them up a bit and put some young and
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Speaker 2: hungry ones out there at the front, because it does
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Speaker 2: look like he really is the tenth pole there for
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Speaker 2: the opposition is not a spread of effort as there
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Speaker 2: should be, whether there's promising in the polls. I wrote
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Speaker 2: about this yesterday. We'll finish here if we can. Dennis
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Speaker 2: the judgment of the PM in his office. I wrote
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Speaker 2: about this yesterday. This is the decision by the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister to evict his tenants. It got a huge reaction
21:18
Speaker 2: in the paper. I mean, he's got four homes to
21:21
Speaker 2: live in, two of course that we pay for. The
21:24
Speaker 2: bloke he's kicking out, Well, he's just got one home.
21:27
Speaker 2: He'll be kicked out and into the rental market in
21:29
Speaker 2: the middle of a housing crisis. Absolutely, he's got the
21:33
Speaker 2: right to decide who lives in his house, right, that's
21:35
Speaker 2: the gift of any landlord. But you've got to question
21:37
Speaker 2: the political judgment of the PM at this time, don't you.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think I think you're being a bit harsh
21:45
Speaker 12: and a little bit unfair there, Peter. Prime ministers can't
21:49
Speaker 12: win on them in what way? But the only thing
21:50
Speaker 12: they can do well because if they are elected and
21:54
Speaker 12: they keep the investments they have, they keep shares have,
22:00
Speaker 12: even if they put them in a trust like Malcolm
22:02
Speaker 12: Turnbull did, there's always a problem with what they've got.
22:06
Speaker 12: John Howard decided to get rid of all his shares
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Speaker 12: when he became Prime Minister and it was the only
22:12
Speaker 12: way to do it. And I think Anthony alberdais he
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Speaker 12: hasn't evicted his tenant is selling his house and good
22:19
Speaker 12: honor somebody from the Housing Commission who has an investment property,
22:23
Speaker 12: good on him, well done. And I think that you
22:25
Speaker 12: know he has handled it poorly. That's not entirely his fault.
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Speaker 12: I don't think his office had anything to do really
22:32
Speaker 12: with what he was doing. It's always a bad look
22:36
Speaker 12: and it's always hard. Kevin Rudd's wife had to try
22:40
Speaker 12: and divest herself of her very interesting business, a very
22:45
Speaker 12: vigorous business. And so I think I.
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Speaker 2: Can't disagree with you here I can't agree with you.
22:51
Speaker 2: I can't agree with you here in the middle of
22:53
Speaker 2: the housing crisis. His office does know his office would
22:57
Speaker 2: be involved in the decision because they have to update
22:59
Speaker 2: the ministerial entitle so it is a discussion internally. But
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Speaker 2: the third point I'd make John Howard and me and
23:04
Speaker 2: didn't rent out his home in Wolston Croft because it
23:07
Speaker 2: was just not worth the political headache. And Abbott never
23:10
Speaker 2: rented out his family home. I mean he always said,
23:12
Speaker 2: if I'm living in a house courtesy of the taxpayer,
23:15
Speaker 2: I look like I'm greedy if I rent out my
23:18
Speaker 2: private home. At the same time, why is the prime
23:20
Speaker 2: minister I given he's got two homes, it's a housing crisis.
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Speaker 2: He was a single man. It's not like he's going
23:26
Speaker 2: to sell this house and he and Jody are going
23:28
Speaker 2: to move into it or any of these properties. While
23:30
Speaker 2: he's got the lodge and Curebilly. I just think it's
23:32
Speaker 2: an own goal at a time when he's on the
23:34
Speaker 2: back foot over housing.
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Speaker 12: Well, I disagree with you, Peter. I think that he
23:41
Speaker 12: didn't have any choice. Yes, your headlines haven't been good.
23:44
Speaker 12: He did. He actually persevered with a lower rent during
23:49
Speaker 12: the COVID pandemic. He was a good landlord. He wants
23:53
Speaker 12: to sell the house, okay, and you know, let's move
23:57
Speaker 12: on from it. He's got to do it, and I
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Speaker 12: think that, yes, he would have told the office and
24:03
Speaker 12: he's got to do the registration. I understand all of that,
24:06
Speaker 12: but I'm sure that he didn't go into his office
24:08
Speaker 12: and ask them whether he should sell his house or not. So, yes,
24:12
Speaker 12: we can agree to disagree on that, Peter, but I
24:15
Speaker 12: don't think that PMS we're allowed to did any well
24:17
Speaker 12: Flavor can win on this issue.
24:22
Speaker 2: I like a bit of civil disagreement. Dennis Shanahan on
24:24
Speaker 2: this program, you'll stay on the PM's Christmas card list,
24:27
Speaker 2: and I suspect I'm offered, but I think goes off
24:30
Speaker 2: it anyway. Good to see Dnis. We' see you next week.
24:32
Speaker 2: All right overseas. Now, let's get into that state media issue.
24:35
Speaker 2: Out of Iran. The President Ibrahim Raci has been declared
24:40
Speaker 2: and dared along with a foreign minister after a helicopter
24:43
Speaker 2: they were traveling in crashed in a mountainous region in
24:46
Speaker 2: Iran's northwest. Racy was traveling with the foreign minister when
24:49
Speaker 2: officials say the aircraft was forced to make a hard
24:51
Speaker 2: landing due to Danse fog. That's certainly what the pictures
24:55
Speaker 2: were showing us. I saw a little bit earlier in
24:57
Speaker 2: the day when they went to the crash site. Let's
25:00
Speaker 2: get some detail though, Founder and Director of Strategic Analysis
25:03
Speaker 2: of Australia, Michael Schuebridge. Well, Michael as has said the
25:08
Speaker 2: official line out there was this forcing down of the
25:12
Speaker 2: aircraft was due to fog, had a hard landing. You know,
25:17
Speaker 2: there's been no survivors, we're told. Do you think this
25:20
Speaker 2: is accurate? Do you think this is accurate and there's
25:24
Speaker 2: nothing else more sinister at play?
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Speaker 5: Well, Peter, I don't think it's accurate because I don't
25:33
Speaker 5: think it had a hard landing. I think it had
25:36
Speaker 5: what is technically known as a crash. They flew the
25:39
Speaker 5: helicopter into a mountain in atrocious weather where they couldn't
25:44
Speaker 5: see where they were going. The Iranians have done this
25:47
Speaker 5: all by themselves. So they may stoke rumors about other people,
25:52
Speaker 5: but they put their president and their foreign minister in
25:55
Speaker 5: an old helicopter, flew it when they couldn't see where
25:58
Speaker 5: they were going into a mountain. It's simple, all right.
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Speaker 2: Talked to me then about the leadership structure here because
26:08
Speaker 2: remind me. But as I understand it, you've got the
26:10
Speaker 2: Supreme Leader, the Ayatolah, he's number one, most senior political figure.
26:14
Speaker 2: This is the president number two, influentially and important. What
26:18
Speaker 2: happens now is there convulsions in their political system? Will
26:22
Speaker 2: there be an orderly transition?
26:25
Speaker 5: Take us through what happens, Well, this will be a
26:29
Speaker 5: huge shock because President Rice was the half anointed successor
26:35
Speaker 5: for the eighty five year old current Supreme Leader Iotola Kamene,
26:39
Speaker 5: so his loss will shock the Iranian system. What happens
26:43
Speaker 5: now is the senior Vice President will step up temporarily
26:48
Speaker 5: as acting president and they'll hold a rigged election within
26:52
Speaker 5: fifty days. And there's no doubt that only a hardliner
26:56
Speaker 5: that does exactly what Supreme Leader Kamene wants will get
27:00
Speaker 5: the job. So I think the Supreme Leader really let
27:04
Speaker 5: the cat out of the bag before he even knew
27:06
Speaker 5: the President and Foreign Minister were dead when he said
27:09
Speaker 5: there'll be no interruption to how Iran is governed because
27:13
Speaker 5: he's the autocrat.
27:17
Speaker 2: So how does this all play out in relation to
27:19
Speaker 2: the Gaza War? Because we know Iran's heavily involved with Hamas.
27:23
Speaker 5: What happens there, Well, personal relationships between Hamas and hes
27:29
Speaker 5: Boller and the Iranian regime really matter, and President Ricey
27:34
Speaker 5: had those relationships. Hamas has expressed great concern when they
27:39
Speaker 5: heard about the crash. They will actually see this as
27:41
Speaker 5: a setback. But the relationship between Iran Hamas and hes
27:46
Speaker 5: Boller is deep and I think we'll see the Iranians
27:49
Speaker 5: try to just get on with business. But it does
27:52
Speaker 5: really put a crack on the professionalism of the Iranian
27:55
Speaker 5: government to put their president and foreign minister in this
27:58
Speaker 5: old helicopter and fly into a mountain.
28:03
Speaker 2: Well, let's come back home now. This new report out
28:05
Speaker 2: today that the government's plan to extend the life of
28:08
Speaker 2: the aging Colins class, which we need to given we
28:11
Speaker 2: haven't got the Virginia class and then obviously the Australian
28:15
Speaker 2: built submarines on the horizon at any time soon. We're
28:18
Speaker 2: told this is a high risk endeavor.
28:21
Speaker 5: What are the concerns, Well, the big issues are crewing,
28:28
Speaker 5: but also when you're trying to upgrade these Colins class submarines,
28:33
Speaker 5: their holes are in pretty good shape because they haven't
28:35
Speaker 5: done a lot of diving. But you've got to scoop
28:37
Speaker 5: out everything inside them, the sonars, the combat system, the electronics,
28:42
Speaker 5: the propulsion system. Put a new submarine inside the old shell.
28:46
Speaker 5: That's extremely complicated, very technically high risk, and crazily expensive.
28:52
Speaker 5: In addition, all the money going on the nuclear submarines,
28:55
Speaker 5: and Defense has been putting off announcing what they're going
28:57
Speaker 5: to do because I think the enormity of the tar
29:00
Speaker 5: Us is really coming home. There's a risk we'll have
29:03
Speaker 5: to retire the columns before we've got decent Virginia numbers.
29:10
Speaker 2: That is the reality, isn't it.
29:13
Speaker 11: Yes?
29:13
Speaker 5: And it's almost inescapable because aside from having to put
29:18
Speaker 5: a new submarine in the old colon shells, the Virginia
29:22
Speaker 5: class submarines eat three columns crews per submarine. So even
29:26
Speaker 5: if you can refurbish the submarine, the Navy will probably
29:30
Speaker 5: cannibalize itself to put people in the Virginias.
29:36
Speaker 2: Just staying with national security, if I can, we talked
29:39
Speaker 2: about this future Made in Australia plan from the government
29:42
Speaker 2: billion dollars to a US based firm for quantum computing.
29:46
Speaker 2: Plenty of analysis out today saying if the Albanezy government
29:50
Speaker 2: only invests inside Quantum This is the US based firm
29:55
Speaker 2: a billion dollars that they'll receive and if they don't
29:58
Speaker 2: invest in any other options, we're putting a lot of
30:01
Speaker 2: eggs in this basket. There's a national security concern.
30:04
Speaker 5: They say, Well, the problem here is that the Albanesi
30:11
Speaker 5: government is pretending it's Warren Buffet or the world's most
30:15
Speaker 5: successful venture capitalist investor. So they've made an all in
30:19
Speaker 5: bet on one quantum company. They've made another bet on
30:24
Speaker 5: a Sydney program with Michelle Simmons. But these are very
30:29
Speaker 5: early investments. I just don't think the government knows enough
30:32
Speaker 5: to pick a winner.
30:35
Speaker 2: Well, I think we agree with that, Michael Shebyshaki, as
30:37
Speaker 2: always alfter the RAG Labour sneaky attempt to tip the
30:41
Speaker 2: balance in their favor in New South Wales with changes
30:43
Speaker 2: to the electoral boundaries. The MP under the gun Independent
30:47
Speaker 2: Diaree joins me Next plus banks on notice. There's millions
30:51
Speaker 2: of Australians face financial hardship but are finding it too
30:54
Speaker 2: difficult to get the help that's been promised. Welcome back
31:03
Speaker 2: the Environmental Defender's Office, the activist mod that run legal
31:06
Speaker 2: campaigns against coal and gas. Well it looks said to
31:09
Speaker 2: continue to receive millions in taxpayer support. I have more
31:13
Speaker 2: in that coming up, but first with an early election
31:16
Speaker 2: at least on the table following the release of the budget,
31:19
Speaker 2: a proposed redistribution is likely to pit Energy Minister Chris
31:22
Speaker 2: Bowen against very popular Independent Die Lee, and he looks
31:27
Speaker 2: to be getting more labor line suburbs as part of
31:30
Speaker 2: the shakeup. The redistribution was triggered when a number of
31:33
Speaker 2: members in the House of Reps for New South Wales
31:35
Speaker 2: dropped from forty seven to forty six last year. And
31:39
Speaker 2: it's not the only redistribution. There's a number of them
31:41
Speaker 2: happening around the country. For her, take the woman in
31:44
Speaker 2: the hot seat, the member for Fowler, Die Lee. I
31:47
Speaker 2: great to have you on the program, but I have
31:49
Speaker 2: to say you must be good at your job because
31:51
Speaker 2: you've got Labour choosing to take you on over this
31:55
Speaker 2: redistribution option rather than a teal seat.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Look, they must be concerned with the present boundaries, I
32:03
Speaker 11: have no doubt, and obviously with the energy prices, it's
32:08
Speaker 11: a big issue out here in Western Sydney and in
32:11
Speaker 11: particular my Fowler community. Look, you know that's obviously that's
32:15
Speaker 11: Labour's proposal. I mean, my my, My suggestion to the
32:18
Speaker 11: AEC was to retain you know, the current electric because
32:22
Speaker 11: I love representing my Fowler community, which stretches from the
32:24
Speaker 11: Liverpool CBD right up into the most majority of suburbs
32:29
Speaker 11: within Fairful City Council area. So you know, these two
32:33
Speaker 11: these two electorates, as you know, Peter, they there was
32:38
Speaker 11: a big no vote at the last Voice campaign, so
32:42
Speaker 11: they must be concerned for them to be suggesting this.
32:44
Speaker 11: Whether or not the AEC will take on board the
32:48
Speaker 11: Labor Party suggestions or any any major party suggestions is
32:53
Speaker 11: up to the to the AEC. But I hope that
32:54
Speaker 11: the AEC is independent enough to make their own decision
32:57
Speaker 11: on the boundaries to be how to we withdrawn the boundaries.
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Speaker 2: I think we think that well, I gree with you
33:05
Speaker 2: across the board. We hope the AC is independent, doesn't
33:08
Speaker 2: favor one side of politics over the other, because we
33:11
Speaker 2: know we obviously need to have boundaries that are beyond
33:14
Speaker 2: reproach that we're not in a Gerryman or sort of
33:17
Speaker 2: situation in this country. It's interesting you pointed out that
33:20
Speaker 2: the no vote there in Western Sydney really significantly went
33:25
Speaker 2: against the government, went against the Prime Minister. There's reports
33:28
Speaker 2: to the p and the treasure We're going to spend
33:30
Speaker 2: a fair amount of time in Western Sydney this week
33:32
Speaker 2: selling their budget. I think the voice and the result
33:36
Speaker 2: from the voices is really why they're putting the effort
33:38
Speaker 2: in out there. The budget, if you look at the
33:41
Speaker 2: polls out today, hasn't boosted them, perhaps like they had hoped.
33:45
Speaker 2: Give us a sense, Diet, how has the budget gone
33:47
Speaker 2: down in your community?
33:50
Speaker 11: Well, surprising that you asked me that question because I
33:52
Speaker 11: actually went door knocking today. I have been draw knocking
33:55
Speaker 11: for the last few weeks and it's surprised. You know, renters, pensioners, owners,
34:06
Speaker 11: you know, homeowners are talking about the hall, how much
34:10
Speaker 11: they're struggling, even for couples. And I said, you know,
34:14
Speaker 11: what do you think of the government's three hundred dollars
34:17
Speaker 11: you know rebate that's that's offered. They said, that's going
34:21
Speaker 11: to be disappearing the puff because that's three dollars will
34:25
Speaker 11: doesn't keep up with the increase in food cost, grocery shopping,
34:29
Speaker 11: electricity increase, insurance coverage increases well as well as mortgage
34:35
Speaker 11: and rent. So they and childcare, by the way, our surprised.
34:39
Speaker 11: You know, people were telling me that sending their kids
34:42
Speaker 11: into childcare has gone up even though the government did
34:45
Speaker 11: promise cheaper childcare. So I'm going to look into that
34:48
Speaker 11: because a couple said there's no point in working part
34:50
Speaker 11: time because increasing their salary means that they have to
34:54
Speaker 11: actually increase in their childcare costs. So people are actually
34:58
Speaker 11: feeling it and going out there knocking. And you know,
35:02
Speaker 11: if the Prime Minister and the treasure of visiting Western Sydney,
35:05
Speaker 11: can I suggest they come to Foul and which I
35:07
Speaker 11: believe is the heart of Western Sydney And they have
35:10
Speaker 11: not reached out to me. And I hope to come
35:11
Speaker 11: and see Foul and visit out here because it is
35:14
Speaker 11: community that's really representing the microcosm of the struggles of families,
35:19
Speaker 11: small business, working, Australian students, you name it, it is here
35:24
Speaker 11: in our community in Pouler.
35:28
Speaker 2: Given the multicultural nature of Western Sydney in particular, I've
35:32
Speaker 2: got to ask you immigration. We heard from the opposition
35:35
Speaker 2: leader last Thursday night' say that there would be a
35:37
Speaker 2: twenty five percent cut if he was elected. Polls today
35:40
Speaker 2: close to seventy percent of voters saying last year, our numbers,
35:43
Speaker 2: our intake was way, way too high. You're an electorate
35:48
Speaker 2: of migrants, it can be interesting how they feel about migration,
35:52
Speaker 2: not always as you might think it would be any
35:55
Speaker 2: reaction from your electorate.
35:57
Speaker 11: Look, we are one of the most multicultural and multi
35:59
Speaker 11: faith electorates in the country and we have I mean,
36:02
Speaker 11: I'm a refugee so and many of my team are
36:06
Speaker 11: from migrant and refugee background, so we understand very much
36:09
Speaker 11: that journey, that the opportunities that Australia has offered. But
36:13
Speaker 11: in door knocking people said, you know, perhaps we need
36:17
Speaker 11: to slow it down. They understand we need to resettled
36:21
Speaker 11: in fair Field City. I don't know if you know this, Peter,
36:25
Speaker 11: but we've settled. Out of the twelve thousand refugees that
36:29
Speaker 11: came to Australia in the last seven six seven years,
36:34
Speaker 11: at least ten thousand were resettled here in fair For
36:36
Speaker 11: City Council, which makes up the majority of Fouler electorate.
36:39
Speaker 11: So we actually, our community have really shouldered the burden
36:44
Speaker 11: of refugee settlement with no extra additional resources. I mean,
36:49
Speaker 11: I get people telling me about our train, which is
36:52
Speaker 11: part of state government, of course, but has not been improved.
36:55
Speaker 11: We get old trains roads hospital is hasn't been upgraded
37:01
Speaker 11: since nine in eighty nine, or our other major hospital
37:04
Speaker 11: is really you know under resource as well. So we've
37:07
Speaker 11: got all of these challenges whereby we've had a thousands
37:10
Speaker 11: of twelve thousands. So people are saying to me, you know,
37:13
Speaker 11: we are mind whence we understand that, but we need
37:16
Speaker 11: to plan it and manage in a way so that
37:18
Speaker 11: we our community, our families here do not have to struggle.
37:22
Speaker 11: Rent is high and not enough affordable housing for US
37:26
Speaker 11: pop families here. They can't safe to buy their first home.
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Speaker 2: As I said, it's always a predictable issue with migrant
37:33
Speaker 2: communities die. That's a massive resettlement job. Fairfield's done. I
37:37
Speaker 2: think that'll play out in the election. Absolutely. Thank you
37:39
Speaker 2: for your time. Good luck beating the labor machine when
37:43
Speaker 2: they get the pen out and they draw those boundaries.
37:45
Speaker 2: Thanks darling. After break, the Environmental Defender's Office back using
37:49
Speaker 2: your money to fight the government. Sam's crazy, doesn't it?
37:53
Speaker 2: But it's a union slash fund quietly got sixty million
37:56
Speaker 2: dollars plus in the budget. What you need to know
37:59
Speaker 2: about that. After the break with my panel, welcome back,
38:08
Speaker 2: serious concerns have been raised about changes to the law
38:10
Speaker 2: in Victoria. They could see thousands of voters deemed ineligible
38:14
Speaker 2: slanty things very much in favor of Labor and the Greens. Now,
38:18
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe about this when I read about it
38:20
Speaker 2: over the weekend. Rand or kill it from Small Business
38:24
Speaker 2: Australia will join me a little later to fill you in. First,
38:28
Speaker 2: let's bring in my panel LMPMP Keith pet former how
38:31
Speaker 2: Government Minister to Gary Hargraves Gens. We've got a lot
38:35
Speaker 2: to get through tonight. I want your your top line take.
38:39
Speaker 2: If I can, I'll start with you Keith. The battle
38:42
Speaker 2: lines for the election absolutely housing and immigration. Good on
38:47
Speaker 2: your boss for being pretty straight with the numbers. They're
38:51
Speaker 2: twenty five percent. If elected, the coalition will drop the numbers.
38:54
Speaker 2: Do you think you're in the game.
38:55
Speaker 7: Now, Oh, Peter, absolutely, We're always in the game and
39:00
Speaker 7: it's because the albert Easy government's so poor. But when
39:03
Speaker 7: you look at housing, I got asked about this today
39:07
Speaker 7: and to be honest, mate, whatever it takes, I've got
39:10
Speaker 7: people living in cars and tents and underbridges and caravans.
39:13
Speaker 7: That's not the Australia I know. I've never seen anything
39:16
Speaker 7: like this, So whatever it takes to fix that, that's
39:18
Speaker 7: what we need to do.
39:22
Speaker 2: Gary, I said, you know, it's not it's not certain
39:25
Speaker 2: they'll go early. But my experience, certainly my carelessly through
39:30
Speaker 2: my husband whos run campaigns, is they're giving labor. Labor's
39:33
Speaker 2: giving the prime minister every every option. They're every suite
39:37
Speaker 2: of option he might need to pull a trigger if
39:40
Speaker 2: he needs to pull a trigger before the economy sort
39:42
Speaker 2: of tanks at the end of the year. Do you
39:45
Speaker 2: think they'll go early?
39:48
Speaker 1: Number one job of a prime minister is to win
39:51
Speaker 1: that next election, So I hearts they'll go when they
39:56
Speaker 1: think they have They'll go when they think they can win.
39:59
Speaker 1: That's usually the story. And look, whether people get sacrificed
40:03
Speaker 1: along the way will time shall tell. But I think
40:05
Speaker 1: as trainers need to be very cynical about this because
40:09
Speaker 1: I think, to the point you wrote about on the
40:10
Speaker 1: weekend papers, three hundred dollars is that really? It is
40:13
Speaker 1: that the price of our vote. We were promised two
40:15
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five last time. I know inflation's higher
40:18
Speaker 1: than that, So it's three hundred dollars is the promise? Now?
40:21
Speaker 1: Film me once. Shame on you for me twice shame
40:23
Speaker 1: on me. I say, we'll see.
40:27
Speaker 2: What about the Environmental Defender's Office. You know, all of
40:30
Speaker 2: the concerns expressed their Keith about coaching witnesses, stuff that
40:36
Speaker 2: just really wasn't passing a propriety test. They've now been
40:41
Speaker 2: clear though, to go back on the taxpayer teat to
40:43
Speaker 2: basically use taxpayers money to fight the taxpayers through the
40:46
Speaker 2: Commonwealth government. This is lawfare about gas and cole and
40:51
Speaker 2: we're paying for it. Peter.
40:55
Speaker 7: For my scenes, I went and looked at their website
40:56
Speaker 7: before the program, and there apparently out there to protect
41:00
Speaker 7: native forests and all of those other things.
41:02
Speaker 2: But they're a bit selective.
41:04
Speaker 7: I seem to want to defend the ones that are
41:05
Speaker 7: getting absolutely hammered through wind farm implementation or solar panels,
41:09
Speaker 7: or the things that are actually destroying real critical and
41:12
Speaker 7: endangered areas like Kowala had nowhere to be seen.
41:16
Speaker 2: But you're on the money.
41:17
Speaker 7: They are very happy to take the taxpayers funds to
41:19
Speaker 7: try and stop offshore gas in the main and on
41:23
Speaker 7: shore anything to do with mining. You're only going to
41:25
Speaker 7: look at the Adani drama and what happened with Barossa
41:28
Speaker 7: and I just think that's outrageous.
41:32
Speaker 2: And give you the stupid old government handing them the money.
41:34
Speaker 2: If you read your own budget papers, you'd shortly say
41:36
Speaker 2: with labor, if it wasn't for resources, there wouldn't be
41:39
Speaker 2: a skinny surplus, you know, charmers, it had navy to
41:43
Speaker 2: be standing there with a figure leaf if that on
41:45
Speaker 2: budget night. This is the wrong headedness of it all.
41:48
Speaker 2: And Gary too. It's always a couple of days after
41:51
Speaker 2: the budget, isn't it we find out, you know, these
41:53
Speaker 2: are these little slush funds hidden away. We learn sixty
41:58
Speaker 2: million dollars in the budget for the union mates. What
42:02
Speaker 2: about business wasn't mentioned in Tony Burke's budget night media release.
42:08
Speaker 2: This is a pulp barrel.
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Speaker 1: Not only that it's the single biggest expenditure in this
42:14
Speaker 1: department and it doesn't even get the disclosure of a
42:17
Speaker 1: media statement. Look, this is actually not a union slash fund.
42:21
Speaker 1: This is a union thug fund because what they do
42:24
Speaker 1: is they hire people to go around and put pressure
42:27
Speaker 1: on employers to use their unionized training system, which then
42:31
Speaker 1: puts more money through the union book. It's very simple.
42:35
Speaker 1: They are trying to drive small training companies out of business,
42:38
Speaker 1: put people into big government tapes, highly unionized tapes, and
42:42
Speaker 1: or union organized training organizations. It doesn't necessarily get people
42:47
Speaker 1: trained up quick. It just simply means the money flows
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Speaker 1: to the union movement. Again for me once, shame on you.
42:53
Speaker 1: For me twice, shame on me. We've got to steer
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Speaker 1: this stuff down, real.
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Speaker 2: Simple, Gary, spot on. They don't get the money from
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Speaker 2: union fees anymorecause less than nine percent of people in
43:03
Speaker 2: private industry actually belong to a union. They get it
43:06
Speaker 2: through these sham training deals that they force people through
43:09
Speaker 2: an EBA to put the money into. It goes back
43:12
Speaker 2: to the labor party as a donation, and then they've
43:15
Speaker 2: got all the other money coming through the super funds.
43:17
Speaker 2: That's the modern labor a financial machine at work. I've
43:21
Speaker 2: got to ask you, Keith, You've got a dodgy dam
43:26
Speaker 2: built by labor. You've got all of these people who
43:29
Speaker 2: are culturalists move to your region, booming industry, growing staff,
43:33
Speaker 2: exporting it around the world. Then they said, Jesus is
43:36
Speaker 2: a problem with the dam. We better fix it. Or
43:38
Speaker 2: your business has said please fix it, because we've invested
43:41
Speaker 2: millions of dollars and there's jobs and exports coming out
43:44
Speaker 2: of here. We need the water, but it doesn't look
43:47
Speaker 2: like your dam's anything more than smoke and mirror's money.
43:52
Speaker 1: That's awful.
43:53
Speaker 7: It's the biggest public infrastructure failure in Australia's history. And
43:57
Speaker 7: the spinners have been out working hard saying oh, it's
43:59
Speaker 7: only it's deferred. It's not deferred to year two or
44:02
Speaker 7: year three, or year four or year five. It's just
44:04
Speaker 7: completely deferred right out. And last time I checked, that
44:07
Speaker 7: was a cut. And Cole Boys, the Member for Flynn,
44:10
Speaker 7: asked in question time last week to the PM, you
44:12
Speaker 7: know what's happened to this? You promised this money and
44:14
Speaker 7: it's gone. Tania Plibusek got the handball for the answer,
44:17
Speaker 7: and I actually thought it was funny. They both had
44:20
Speaker 7: a good belly laugh. Well, no one here thinks it's funny.
44:22
Speaker 7: They're at risk of losing their properties and their investments.
44:25
Speaker 7: We need that DM fixed, We need that money in
44:28
Speaker 7: the budget and it is an absolute disgrace. They've tried
44:30
Speaker 7: to spin their way out of this and say that
44:32
Speaker 7: the money is just deferred. It is not.
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Speaker 1: There.
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Speaker 7: Have a look at page fifty seven a Budget paper two.
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Speaker 7: It's gone.
44:40
Speaker 2: Good on you Keith, keep fighting for it because it's
44:42
Speaker 2: a huge employer in your region. Just quickly, Gary, I
44:45
Speaker 2: mean Twiggy Forrest comes out and says nuclear power is
44:48
Speaker 2: way too expensive and anyone who's out there promoting it
44:52
Speaker 2: is stoking division for political purposes. Now he's the same bloke.
44:56
Speaker 2: He's got his hand in our pocket wanting billions of
45:00
Speaker 2: dollars from taxpayers for green hydro. I can point to
45:03
Speaker 2: a dozen of countries that have got a nuclear power
45:05
Speaker 2: station that's operational. I can't find one company country that's
45:10
Speaker 2: got green hydrogen that's operational at scale. Who's pulling whose
45:15
Speaker 2: leg here?
45:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, Holy Hindenburg. I mean, let's face it, the whole
45:20
Speaker 1: Zeppelin thing was one hundred years ago, and now they're
45:23
Speaker 1: talking about building planes powering powered by hydrogen. I've had Look,
45:26
Speaker 1: the whole thing is about rent seekers, Peter. And if
45:29
Speaker 1: you think that a subsidy comes from some magic subsidy, true, No,
45:32
Speaker 1: it comes from.
45:33
Speaker 2: Your hip pocket.
45:33
Speaker 1: If you think you're paying tax on a lot of
45:36
Speaker 1: things now looking about funeral taxes and heaven knows whatever
45:39
Speaker 1: else in some states, and if you think you're paying
45:42
Speaker 1: a lot for electricity, now, then these billionaires want more
45:44
Speaker 1: of your money. Just keep paying more money through subsidies,
45:48
Speaker 1: and that'll end up in their pockets. The rich are
45:51
Speaker 1: getting richer and the poor. Get the picture. That quote,
45:54
Speaker 1: Peter Garrett I was in the irony wonderful. It's really
45:57
Speaker 1: got to be stared.
45:58
Speaker 2: Hey, just before we go, Hey, you mentioned a funeral tax.
46:02
Speaker 2: And you're not kidding there, are you? No?
46:05
Speaker 8: I'm not No.
46:06
Speaker 1: This is what they're talking about. They're saying, well, let's
46:08
Speaker 1: bring in extra levies as people get cremated and buried
46:11
Speaker 1: and so forth, death and taxes. Keith, exactly right, And Peter,
46:17
Speaker 1: this is the modern labor Party. They just want to
46:19
Speaker 1: find new ways to tax you. If you think you've
46:22
Speaker 1: got your money safe in super funds, think again. If
46:24
Speaker 1: you think you've got your money safe and the banks,
46:26
Speaker 1: think again. This is very scary stuff. And the serious
46:30
Speaker 1: part is they're after all of our money. They want
46:33
Speaker 1: us poor on our knees and dependent on government. And
46:36
Speaker 1: the people have got to rise up because if you
46:38
Speaker 1: accept this, it's just gonna get worse. It's just gonna
46:42
Speaker 1: get worse.
46:45
Speaker 2: Ollive there, gens. See you both next week after break,
46:48
Speaker 2: we'll get into those local council election changes. I'll tell
46:52
Speaker 2: you what their crook. It is crook. Stay with me
46:55
Speaker 2: after break. If you live in Victoria, you may not
47:03
Speaker 2: be aware of changes to local council elections which could
47:07
Speaker 2: affect up to one million voters. It's a change that
47:11
Speaker 2: has been labeled scandalous because this year, property owners and
47:15
Speaker 2: businesses who've been thrown off the role all need to
47:19
Speaker 2: re enroll before a looming deadline or they lose their
47:22
Speaker 2: right to have a vote. For more on this, I'm
47:24
Speaker 2: joined by Randall Killer from Small Business Australia. Randall, I
47:29
Speaker 2: tell you if I were cynical, I'd say this is
47:32
Speaker 2: about getting anyone who might be sent to right conservative
47:36
Speaker 2: small business, to anyone like that off the role. What's
47:40
Speaker 2: prompted these changes, Yes.
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Speaker 10: Scandalous is the word. There's no question about that. What
47:46
Speaker 10: we've looked at here is that it was arranged by
47:49
Speaker 10: the Labor government back in twenty twenty. They use the
47:52
Speaker 10: word integrity of elections when they brought these changes in,
47:56
Speaker 10: are implemented by it, and some of you're at when
47:57
Speaker 10: you don't think about manipulation of numbers. Anyone that have
48:00
Speaker 10: been behind the scenes at a council election, to be
48:02
Speaker 10: more than aware that manipulation of preference flowers is how
48:06
Speaker 10: you get elected. It's not always the ones with the
48:08
Speaker 10: most fades who win, but he can pull votes. If
48:11
Speaker 10: you can target specific voters or male vote for me
48:14
Speaker 10: and exclude those that you don't think will or may
48:17
Speaker 10: not well, it will certainly affect the outcomes. And that's
48:20
Speaker 10: what prompted us at Small Business Australia to go out
48:22
Speaker 10: and reach out to these councils Peter and see what
48:24
Speaker 10: are you doing about it? How are you reaching out
48:26
Speaker 10: to these people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to kick the renters off the role.
48:31
Speaker 2: They're only going to kick small business and property owners
48:34
Speaker 2: of the role. I mean, this is a real distortion
48:36
Speaker 2: of democracy. And why go after the small business person
48:40
Speaker 2: because we know, we know in some council areas like
48:44
Speaker 2: the City of Melbourne, there's two votes for the small
48:47
Speaker 2: business vote as opposed to the residential renter or homeowner.
48:52
Speaker 2: So this is about trying to shut down the voice
48:55
Speaker 2: of small business. Absolutely, my question, that's what this is
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Speaker 2: all about.
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Speaker 10: It's all about shutting down the voice of small business.
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Speaker 10: What you're seeing here is if you can run a
49:03
Speaker 10: really well coordinated campaign, you get yourself elected to council
49:06
Speaker 10: if you can manipulate who votes, when they vote, and
49:09
Speaker 10: how they vote. Even more so, what's really concerning was
49:12
Speaker 10: that when we reached out to the councils and I
49:14
Speaker 10: asked them what I think to order to.
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Speaker 6: Put yourself, they were to contact us that are voting
49:22
Speaker 6: the need to.
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Speaker 2: Art losing their rights.
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Speaker 6: Whatsimply was that they hadn't done. So there's no all
49:29
Speaker 6: only three and thirty one Metropolitan Melbourne councils. Did you
49:33
Speaker 6: have information available on their website as to how to
49:36
Speaker 6: join the council's role. So if you contact these councils,
49:39
Speaker 6: it's take off absolutely chaos. Then you have no idea
49:43
Speaker 6: about how of joining the role. But telling you to
49:45
Speaker 6: compact the VEEC, the VC will tell you the compact council.
49:48
Speaker 6: So actually tecking department boat is extremely difficult, full shot
49:52
Speaker 6: by it was the sounding and it was absolutely sounding,
49:56
Speaker 6: then no doubt and then to manipulate those which is very.
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Speaker 2: Concer Yeah, we're going to just run out of time,
50:04
Speaker 2: but we've got the details there on the website. I
50:06
Speaker 2: urge anyone if you need to check your enrollment. If
50:10
Speaker 2: you are small businesses, you are a property owner, you're
50:13
Speaker 2: worried about whether you're actually being thrown off the roll
50:15
Speaker 2: that means you will not be able to vote. Please
50:18
Speaker 2: go to that address there on the screen just below
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Speaker 2: me and have a look and make sure you get
50:23
Speaker 2: re enrolled asap, because I think they're bringing forward a
50:26
Speaker 2: deadline to stop you even getting re enrolled. Thank you, Randal,
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Speaker 2: thanks for the information. All Right, that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow Hunt at six. Here's Andrew