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A fiery air crash in the Top End – and a miracle by Aussie doctors who saved a US marine · The Morning Edition

0:04
S1: Travis Reyes, a 21 year old American Marine, remembers feeling
0:08
S1: smug as he sat with his feet dangling at the
0:11
S1: door of a military aircraft soaring high above a gulf
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S1: in the Northern Territory. Yes, dozens of military personnel had
0:19
S1: died in one of these hybrid airplane helicopters over the years,
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S1: but the takeoff from Darwin was smooth. I'm Samantha Selinger Morris,
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S1: and you're listening to The Morning Edition from The Age
0:31
S1: and the Sydney Morning Herald. Today, senior reporter Grant McArthur
0:36
S1: on the 23 Marines who crashed in the Bush, shocking
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S1: the globe and the world. First medical experiments by quick
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S1: thinking Australian doctors aimed at helping Travis Reyes survive against
0:48
S1: all odds. Welcome, Grant to the podcast.
0:53
S2: Good morning.
0:53
S3: Grant, can you just start by taking us.
0:55
S1: Back to 2023, when this incident occurred in the Northern Territory?
1:00
S1: What was Travis Raise an American Marine doing in the
1:03
S1: top end of Australia in the first place? And at
1:05
S1: what point did he realize that things were not quite
1:09
S1: right in the aircraft that he was traveling in?
1:11
S2: Yeah. I mean, it was way back in in August 2023.
1:15
S2: And look, this made huge headlines all around the world
1:17
S2: when it happened because there was an Osprey crash, three
1:21
S2: US defense personnel killed. So there was that huge story
1:24
S2: at the time. But there was such a big story
1:26
S2: going on in. Well, hospitals across the across half the world,
1:30
S2: I guess that went on for the next year or two.
1:33
S2: And and this is the story of that. It centered
1:35
S2: around a young marine called Travis Reyes, and he was
1:38
S2: one of the flight crew on an Osprey taking part
1:41
S2: in war games known as Predator Run. And it was
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S2: the first day and they were flying an Osprey, which
1:50
S2: is kind of a half helicopter, half plane, quite notorious
1:54
S2: for falling out of the sky, I guess. And unfortunately
1:57
S2: for Travis and and his crew, quite seriously. Theirs did crash.
2:02
S2: It crashed on Melville Island in an extremely remote place.
2:05
S2: Burst into flames. Three crew members died. There was another
2:09
S2: 20 odd Marines on board. They were transporting and they
2:12
S2: were in the middle of the jungle. Travis survived, but
2:16
S2: absolutely critically hurt. Unbelievable injuries that nobody realized.
2:22
S4: We flew over the water closer towards the Tiwi Islands
2:26
S4: and then felt the aircraft bank a little more aggressive
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S4: than normal. And then we heard a bunch of details.
2:32
S4: I grabbed on to the left hydraulic actuator for the ramp,
2:37
S4: and then we hit the ground. And that's the most
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S4: that I remember.
2:41
S2: Fortunately for him, there was an Australian Defence Force rescue
2:45
S2: crew on Melville Island that were quite close, so they
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S2: got dispatched and showed up at the scene.
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S5: We were just declaring an emergency in the city of
2:54
S5: Melville Island. Roger. Search and rescue is on the way. Three, three.
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S5: Search and rescue is requesting if there's a fire. There
3:02
S5: is a significant fire.
3:05
S2: Couldn't even land. The jungle was so thick. But a
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S2: doctor who just happens to be from the Alfred Hospital,
3:10
S2: who was kind of up there by accident, he winched
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S2: down to the scene and was stunned because the Marines
3:16
S2: had dragged this guy out of the burning wreck, and
3:19
S2: he started trying to save his life, basically from above.
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S6: First thing we saw was some smoke and then a
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S6: smoldering wreck as we flew over the top of it.
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S6: And I just remember looking at it and thinking, there's
3:32
S6: no way anyone could have survived that.
3:34
S2: And that's where pretty amazing story starts.
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S1: Okay, well, I want you to take us to this
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S1: scene because he has to get winched down to the island. Right.
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S1: This is Doctor David McCreary, who, like you say, he
3:48
S1: wasn't even meant to be there. I believe he's normally
3:50
S1: in Melbourne. He gets winched down to the site. He
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S1: is stunned by what he sees. So tell us about
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S1: the scene that he sees and just how dire Travis's
4:00
S1: condition in particular was, how close he was to death, really,
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S1: when he first saw him.
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S2: Well, close to death. At one point, he actually kind
4:07
S2: of did die. So he's been dragged out of the wreck.
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S2: He's conscious, he knows his name and he's talking. And
4:12
S2: from outside appearances he looks okay. He's covered, absolutely covered
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S2: in this red dust which comes into play later on.
4:19
S2: David McCreary has been around the blocks a lot, and
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S2: he knows what he's doing, as all good doctors do.
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S2: But he was terrified he could tell that the kind
4:27
S2: of way Travis was going. There was a lot going
4:29
S2: on inside.
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S6: He had a belly full of blood. He had a
4:34
S6: severe chest injury. His oxygen levels were almost unrecordable. His
4:38
S6: blood pressure was almost unrecordable. Um, I knew that he
4:42
S6: had a pulse and that he was conscious. And those
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S6: were the the only things that were positive at the time.
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S2: He needed an operation very quickly or he was going
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S2: to die, but there was no way of operating on
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S2: him because they were in the middle of the jungle.
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S2: It got to the point where he was 100% going
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S2: to die if he didn't get an operation. But if
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S2: McQueary had started operating, he was probably going to die
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S2: anyway because there was no blood to backfill or anything
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S2: at that point. He had no choice because Travis was dying.
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S2: All of a sudden, this blood appears, and there'd been
5:16
S2: a chopper that the US military had contracted had just
5:19
S2: got overhead and it went down. Eight liters of blood.
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S2: So McCreery and a flight paramedic who were there as well.
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S2: They basically then cut Travis open. Massive amounts of blood,
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S2: massive amounts of air came gushing out of him and
5:33
S2: his heart restarted because at that point, his heart had
5:35
S2: actually stopped and he was gone. As soon as he operated,
5:39
S2: it brought him back to life. And from there, it
5:41
S2: was a matter of stabilizing him and get him out
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S2: of the jungle. So they put him in a coma.
5:46
S2: From there, he got eventually taken to Darwin Hospital, and
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S2: the next chapter of his story began.
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S1: Okay, well, that's it, because every chapter is more astonishing
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S1: than the next, because at this point, it's a race
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S1: against the clock. Right? He gets airlifted to Darwin Hospital.
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S1: And this is where I believe doctors really finally understand
6:04
S1: what's happened. They figure, okay, once his vehicle, this Ospreys
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S1: hit the ground, he'd slammed against the bulkhead, bounced off
6:11
S1: the walls, which essentially pulverized his internal organs. But then
6:15
S1: he's transferred to the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, where doctors
6:19
S1: declare him to be the sickest patient in the state,
6:21
S1: and they decide to give him a last ditch treatment.
6:24
S1: But this is hugely risky. Patients often don't survive. So
6:28
S1: tell us about this treatment and what happened.
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S2: Well, there was there were a few different treatments. One
6:32
S2: is they've had to remove a lot of his organs.
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S2: He was flown down to Melbourne in a coma. When
6:37
S2: he lands in Melbourne, they find he has even more injuries.
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S2: He's he's got gangrene. It looks like he might lose
6:43
S2: his limbs because there's not enough blood supply to them.
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S2: He keeps getting sicker and sicker when they go back
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S2: inside where his lungs been removed. Massive bleeding, massive infection.
6:53
S2: He's got sepsis and that infection is going to kill
6:56
S2: him no matter what they do, they can't get over
6:59
S2: this infection. Eventually, they go back and essentially cut a
7:03
S2: window into his chest to act as a permanent drain,
7:06
S2: permanent wash, just continuously doing that. And that kind of
7:11
S2: that kind of saves his life again and settles him
7:13
S2: down for a while. Mind you, that took, I think,
7:15
S2: 7 or 8 surgeries over ten days to save him. Doctors,
7:20
S2: probably for the first time, started breathing a sigh of
7:22
S2: relief because they finally had an answer to this infection
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S2: in his chest that was killing him, and he was
7:27
S2: just coming out of that. And then people had noticed
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S2: this pimple, this scratch on his cheek since the crash,
7:32
S2: but in amongst organs shutting down broken bones left, right
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S2: and center, there hadn't been a lot of attention given
7:38
S2: to this scratch on his cheek. His wife and a
7:41
S2: few others started questioning, well, what's this about? It looks
7:44
S2: like it's changing. And so they did a biopsy to
7:46
S2: see if there was anything underneath it. And when they
7:49
S2: cut under the skin, I think, well, they not only
7:51
S2: took a breath, they were in shock at what they found.
7:54
S2: And the tables were turned again.
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S1: Well that's it. This is such a pivotal moment. So
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S1: tell us, what did they find?
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S2: Basically, under the skin in Travis's face, there was a
8:04
S2: sea of black fungus growing under the skin. Not only
8:09
S2: is it not a great thing to think about, it's
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S2: also deadly in that red soil that he'd crashed into
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S2: on Melville Island, one of the only places on the world.
8:17
S2: There's a couple of very, very rare funguses. And in
8:21
S2: the surgery that it took to save his life, some
8:23
S2: of those fungus spores in the dirt must have got
8:26
S2: inside him. And so the surgery that had saved him
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S2: in the immediate term was now killing him much more slowly.
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S2: The fungus had taken hold. It was growing under his face,
8:36
S2: and it was growing gradually and gradually and gradually, taking
8:39
S2: over all the tissues under his face. And when it
8:41
S2: takes them over, basically kills him. And so bits of
8:45
S2: his face were dying one bit at a time, and
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S2: that would spread through his body. And the more it spread,
8:51
S2: the more his life was in danger. So it gets
8:53
S2: into the bones, it gets into the blood, and that's
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S2: how it kills. and and it it's a very rare
8:59
S2: it's a very rare infection to get. But it kills
9:02
S2: in at least half of those cases when it does.
9:05
S2: And so they basically had no choice. They couldn't wait
9:08
S2: for medication. They had to start. It's a process called debriding. Basically,
9:12
S2: it means cutting away his face. So one piece at
9:22
S2: a time, they're cutting away his face, trying to get
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S2: rid of this fungus over and over and over and
9:28
S2: speaking to the doctors doing this, their plastic surgeons who
9:31
S2: have had to do some pretty amazing and pretty horrific
9:33
S2: things to save people's lives. They've never had to cut
9:37
S2: someone's face away like this. And it was heartbreaking for
9:39
S2: them seeing, seeing what he was going through, seeing what
9:42
S2: his family's going through and knowing that at the end
9:44
S2: of the day, it's probably not going to be enough.
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S2: And they'd got to the point, in consultation with Travis's family,
9:51
S2: where they'd basically had to put their hand up and say,
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S2: there is nothing more we can do for him. There's
9:56
S2: probably more than 100 medical. Way more than 100 medical
10:00
S2: and other people at the Alfred who were fighting to
10:03
S2: save Travis's life at this point. And, you know, there
10:06
S2: was a lot of broken hearts there at that point.
10:14
S1: After the break.
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S2: And the Alfred started getting lots of calls from the
10:18
S2: Prime Minister's office in Australia and through right up to
10:21
S2: the Secretary of defense in the US.
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S1: Not only are there all these medical specialists who are
10:40
S1: fighting to save his life, and I believe his wife, Jasmine,
10:43
S1: I think they'd only been married about seven months at
10:45
S1: this point, and she's having to make life and death
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S1: decisions on his behalf, because of course, he's still, as
10:50
S1: I understand it, in a coma. But there's also tensions growing,
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S1: isn't there, over this surgery on his face between the
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S1: American and the Australian military. So tell us about that.
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S2: Yeah that's correct. It became apparent very quickly, as you'd understand,
11:05
S2: it's one of their troops, one of their servicemen, and
11:07
S2: they've had three others die in this crash. The US
11:10
S2: military was extremely invested. And the Alfred started getting lots
11:14
S2: of calls from the Prime Minister's office in Australia and
11:17
S2: through right up to the Secretary of Defence in the US,
11:20
S2: were taking an interest in this. They were having to
11:22
S2: have an hour hook up every day between all the
11:24
S2: Australian medics, as well as all the Defence Force medics
11:27
S2: in the US comparing notes, working through what they wanted.
11:32
S2: It became a very difficult situation because the US military
11:36
S2: doctors were desperately wanting to save Travis, as everybody was,
11:41
S2: and they wanted to continue debriding. Their advice was to
11:44
S2: continue to Debride just keep cutting away pieces, get Travis.
11:48
S2: Whatever happens, just keep Travis alive. But the Australian doctors,
11:52
S2: they're living at the coalface. They're seeing the impact it's
11:56
S2: having on him. Worried. But even if he does survive,
11:59
S2: what's going to be left when he wakes up? They
12:00
S2: don't know if he's got brain injuries, but if they
12:03
S2: keep cutting away his quality of life, he's not going
12:05
S2: to have a face. He's not going to have lots
12:07
S2: of parts of his body. And they chat to his family.
12:10
S2: And the family agrees that if they go much further,
12:13
S2: he probably wouldn't want to wake up. And that's where
12:15
S2: they got to. But the decision was made that no.
12:18
S2: LED by the Aussie medics and most in particular Travis's family,
12:22
S2: know this is where we have to stop. And if
12:24
S2: he passes away, um, unfortunately, um, it's just going to
12:29
S2: that heartbreak is going to intensify.
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S1: Okay, so we're at this really tense point. It could
12:33
S1: be a breaking point. Life and death. But then finally,
12:36
S1: Travis appears to have a bit of luck, as it were,
12:39
S1: in the facility that he's in. This is, of course,
12:41
S1: the Alfred Hospital still in Melbourne, and it's the only
12:44
S1: hospital in the world trialling a treatment for patients on
12:47
S1: life support. So tell us about this because it too
12:50
S1: came with extreme risks. It's hard to believe something in
12:53
S1: this story that doesn't. Because I believe patients overseas who
12:56
S1: use this treatment had burst into fatal flames.
12:59
S2: Yeah. So one of the ways to beat some infections
13:03
S2: is to put people in a hyperbaric chamber that basically
13:05
S2: simulates being on the bottom of the ocean, massively high
13:09
S2: doses of oxygen. The science isn't even that settled on
13:13
S2: why it works, but it can overcome infections because there's
13:16
S2: massive amounts of oxygen, supercharges immune system and can beat infections.
13:21
S2: And they offer it has a hyperbaric chamber. And if
13:24
S2: someone's not in a coma, if they're not on life support,
13:27
S2: it's a good option for them. Unfortunately, the massively high
13:32
S2: atmosphere inside a hyperbaric chamber. Any little spark, any little
13:36
S2: rustle inside that can create electricity and it becomes a bomb.
13:40
S2: And without being graphic about it, because this actually has
13:42
S2: happened around the world, even wearing the wrong clothing, if
13:45
S2: you don't wear 100% cotton clothing, your leg rubs together.
13:49
S2: So it creates a static spark and that whole thing
13:52
S2: just bursts into flames. So if you can't wear the
13:56
S2: the right pants in there, imagine what it's like trying
13:58
S2: to put in a ventilator and a life support machine
14:01
S2: with lots of moving parts. It's not going to work
14:03
S2: out well. Secondly, the pressure means that pipes get compressed
14:07
S2: and you can't even pass gases or blood through them,
14:10
S2: which is pretty vital with a ventilator. The Alfred for
14:14
S2: two years, nothing to do with Travis, but they'd actually
14:17
S2: been trying to overcome this problem, and they'd been doing
14:19
S2: research to see if one day they might be able
14:22
S2: to use a life support machine inside the chamber that
14:27
S2: actually just started running trials, passing like saline solution through pipes,
14:33
S2: and found that the pipes were open enough that they
14:36
S2: thought they could sustain a life. And that week, when
14:39
S2: they decided they couldn't operate on Travis any further, the
14:43
S2: hyperbaric unit was actually in the process of making an
14:46
S2: ethics application to see if they could start trialing human
14:48
S2: blood in the machine. Now, amazing coincidence going on that
14:54
S2: they now hear that Travis might need this treatment. They're
15:00
S2: at least 18 months away from trialing this on a person.
15:03
S2: But they say, hang on. He's going to die without this,
15:07
S2: no matter what. We've got to give it a chance.
15:09
S2: And so one of the hyperbaric doctors contacts their colleagues
15:12
S2: and actually said, look, I know this is a crazy idea.
15:16
S2: Should we consider this for Travis? And within a couple
15:20
S2: of minutes, the whole unit's gathered going, yep, let's see
15:23
S2: what we can do. They spent 32 hours with dozens,
15:27
S2: if not hundreds of staff, all writing ethics applications, reviewing research,
15:32
S2: doing everything. And after 32 hours, they'd got ethics approvals,
15:36
S2: clinical approvals. They'd done massive amounts of research and went, yep,
15:41
S2: we can try this.
15:42
S1: And what happened?
15:44
S2: Well, firstly, everyone breathed a sigh of relief because they
15:48
S2: started up the the ventilator in the hyperbaric unit and
15:51
S2: there were no flames. There was no Problem. And then
15:55
S2: they held their breath and literally held their breath. There's
15:58
S2: quite a few staff have to go in the chamber
16:01
S2: with him, and they are, you know, wearing oxygen masks
16:03
S2: and everything so that they can breathe in that atmosphere.
16:07
S2: Travis had four days where he's having 95 minute sessions
16:12
S2: in there. After four days, they took him back into
16:14
S2: the theatre and they had a look and they were stunned.
16:18
S2: The fungus was disappearing. It was working. He was alive.
16:22
S2: He was still in a coma, but the fungus was retreating.
16:25
S1: It's just incredible. And then finally, finally, it's time to
16:29
S1: take him back to the United States. And a window
16:31
S1: opens up for an airlift to the US. And honestly, Grant,
16:35
S1: you couldn't write this. This life saving machine that he's
16:38
S1: now connected to in the plane shuts down. So as
16:42
S1: if it couldn't get any worse, it's honestly unbelievable. So
16:45
S1: how did he survive that? How panicked were the medical
16:47
S1: personnel tasked with keeping him alive at this point?
16:50
S2: Yeah. So the US, they had this window where he
16:53
S2: was well enough. He was still in a coma. They
16:54
S2: want to get him back to the US. So the
16:56
S2: US military sent massive military aircraft, one of the biggest
16:59
S2: aircraft in the world, kitted out like an intensive care unit.
17:03
S2: He was wheeled on board. He's still in a coma.
17:05
S2: I think there was a team of 38. That's all
17:08
S2: the US military doctors. And they're flying him back to
17:11
S2: the States, to Texas. They stop over in Hawaii to
17:15
S2: refuel as they're landing the plane in Hawaii. The machine
17:18
S2: stops the ventilator that's keeping him alive. Heart lung bypass.
17:22
S2: It shuts down as they're landing and in the air.
17:25
S2: A couple of the experienced US specialists get strapped in
17:30
S2: over the top of him, and they basically have to
17:31
S2: keep him alive manually while the plane's landing. And then
17:35
S2: while they're on the tarmac, the machine's changed over and
17:39
S2: they take off again and fly. So no patient as
17:42
S2: sick as Travis has ever flown that far. No one
17:45
S2: has ever been flown across the world on ECMO in
17:47
S2: a coma. So that was a first. Then there's another
17:50
S2: first having to to keep him alive and change a
17:53
S2: machine while you're while you're landing a plane. There's more
17:55
S2: firsts in this story, I think, than than anyone can
17:57
S2: even count.
17:58
S1: And then fast forward. It's seven weeks after the crash
18:01
S1: and Travis is beginning to wake up. It's a long process,
18:04
S1: even the waking up period. So eventually when he's able
18:07
S1: to sort of regain his memories or be in a
18:10
S1: state where he can speak about it, how does he
18:12
S1: explain what it was like to wake up from this
18:15
S1: horrendous experience, and what memories did he have of it all?
18:19
S2: He has absolutely horrific memories, and for him, he couldn't
18:22
S2: even express those because even when he woke up and
18:25
S2: had memories, he had tubes down his throat so he
18:27
S2: couldn't even talk. So he woke up in Texas. He
18:31
S2: doesn't know where he is. He doesn't know what's happened
18:33
S2: to him. He can eventually remember the Osprey crashing. And
18:38
S2: from that moment on, his brain kind of ran a
18:41
S2: narrative to make sense of what was going on around him.
18:44
S2: But for him, it was horrific. His sedation did loosen up.
18:46
S2: At one point during one of his surgeries, he quickly
18:49
S2: went back to sleep, and then he woke up again
18:51
S2: in Texas. And he's surrounded by people. And even worse
18:55
S2: from there. It took another several weeks, probably a month
18:59
S2: before he had any awareness that he'd actually lost half
19:02
S2: of his face. He wasn't allowed to see a mirror.
19:05
S2: It was basically gradually bringing him along and letting him
19:08
S2: know a little bit more and a little bit more
19:09
S2: and a little bit more. And so he had to
19:11
S2: come up, not only learn that he was missing half
19:14
S2: his face, but that the three of his colleagues had
19:16
S2: died from their it. It was a matter of rehabilitation.
19:19
S2: It took him a year before he could walk properly again.
19:22
S2: But he's a pretty amazing bloke, and he's. He's not
19:25
S2: only walking now. He's running and he's competing in games
19:28
S2: and and doing some amazing things.
19:30
S1: That's incredible, I believe. He's earned the nickname the one
19:33
S1: Lung Warrior. But tell us I guess. I mean what
19:37
S1: did he think when he first saw his face? Do
19:40
S1: you know?
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S2: It's hard. He has good days and bad days. Some
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S2: days he makes jokes about it. It's quite funny. He
19:46
S2: had a hook up and spoke to all the team
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S2: that saved him. And he was, um. He was thanking
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S2: them for removing his face, saying it's much easier to
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S2: live his life now because he doesn't have so many
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S2: girls chasing him.
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S7: I'm just I'm so grateful for everybody. And, you know,
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S7: even though you guys took out my face, it's okay
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S7: because it's still hard to, you know, walk outside without
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S7: having to beat people off me because I'm so good looking.
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S7: So I really appreciate you all.
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S2: But there's other days where it's really hard for him.
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S2: He wants to get on an aeroplane, but he doesn't
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S2: want to be seen in public because too many people
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S2: see and so on. So. So he's coming to terms
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S2: with it. There's a lot of emotional scarring, as well
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S2: as the physical scarring that he's dealing with. He says
20:36
S2: that in the last two months, things have become much,
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S2: much better. I think he's he's really starting to recover
20:43
S2: and take things in his stride.
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S1: And Grant, just to wrap up, I would love to
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S1: know what part of this story has really stuck with you,
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S1: you know, is it that everything can go both so wrong,
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S1: but then also against all odds, go so right? Or
20:55
S1: is it sort of the tenacity of the human spirit
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S1: of Travis and the Australian doctors who healed him? Like,
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S1: what is it for you?
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S2: Just the enormity of it. I'm dumbfounded that so many
21:07
S2: things can just fall into place. There's probably 30 or
21:12
S2: 40 things that just happen to fall into place that
21:16
S2: that resulted in Travis still being here. To the fact
21:19
S2: that there was a text message when the Osprey went
21:22
S2: down that alerted David Mccreery's team that there was an
21:26
S2: Osprey crash probably ten minutes before they actually got the call,
21:31
S2: which meant they were in the air ten minutes earlier
21:33
S2: than they should have been. Otherwise, if that hadn't happened,
21:36
S2: he would have died. If the blood hadn't been winched
21:38
S2: down to them at the exact moment, he would have
21:40
S2: died if he hadn't landed at the one hospital going
21:44
S2: around that not only has ECMO, but also has a
21:46
S2: hyperbaric chamber, he would have died. It's impossible to think
21:49
S2: how many sliding door moments there are here, and I've
21:52
S2: been working on this story for months, and every day
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S2: I probably think of a different sliding door moment. Each
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S2: one of them on their own is amazing. When you
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S2: put them all together, it's almost that if Travis wasn't
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S2: here and all the medics weren't here, no one would
22:05
S2: believe you that so many things could have aligned.
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S1: Absolutely. Well, we're so lucky that you have looked into this,
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S1: and we're so lucky that Travis was happy to tell
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S1: his story. So thank you so much, Grant, for your time.
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S2: Thank you.
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