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- Lucas: So the S&P is sitting at 7572 as of tonight, up about 0.4 percent on the week. The VIX is at 15.67. Nothing crazy. But look at the VVIX — 91.85, up 3.5 percent in five days. That's the volatility of volatility, and it's climbing even as spot VIX drifts lower. Luna: Right, so the options market is pricing more uncertainty about future volatility, even though the present is calm. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the kind of setup where you start asking — what's the catalyst? Because the market doesn't get nervous about nothing. One thing I'm watching: the IPO pipeline. Today there was news that Anthropic is moving closer to a mega ipo. Bankers are lining up investor meetings. Luna: Yeah, I saw that headline. Anthropic — the AI company behind Claude. That would be a massive deal. Lucas: Massive. And for a day trader, the IPO calendar is actually a really useful signal. It's not just about whether you trade the IPO itself. The pipeline tells you something about market appetite, sector rotation, and where liquidity might flow. Luna: Alright, let's talk about it. If today's conversation helps you think about an IPO trade or just makes you more aware of the signals, honestly, if it was worth a coffee to you, that's the link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Keeps us ad-free and focused. Lucas: Appreciate that. So let's start with the pipeline itself. When a big name like Anthropic files confidentially or starts formal meetings, it changes the landscape for every other name in the same sector. The AI trade has been hot — names like NVIDIA and Microsoft have been leaders. But a fresh supply of shares changes the math. Luna: Supply and demand. A new stock means money has to come from somewhere. If institutions are allocating capital to the IPO, they might trim existing positions. Lucas: Right. That's one of the first things I look for. If a big IPO is coming, I watch for relative weakness in the sector peers. It's not always a sell signal, but it creates a headwind. The converse is also true — if an IPO is pulled or delayed, that can be a tailwind for the existing players. Luna: So the pipeline itself is a sentiment gauge. When the calendar is full, it usually means valuations are high enough that founders want to cash out, and underwriters think they can move the paper. Lucas: Exactly. And right now we're in a period where the VIX is low, the S&P is at all-time highs — 7572 — and the VVIX is creeping up. That's a classic setup for a big volatility event. An IPO of Anthropic's scale could be that event. Luna: Let's talk about the day trader's playbook. You're not going to get allocation in the IPO as a retail trader. So what do you actually do? Luna: But you can't trade the first few minutes. It's too chaotic. The fills are terrible. Lucas: True. Most retail traders lose money trying to chase the open. I prefer to wait for the first consolidation — often 20 to 30 minutes in. You can draw a range and trade the breakout or breakdown from that initial range. That's where the real signal is, not the opening print. Luna: So you're essentially trading the post ipo price discovery, not the hype. Lucas: Exactly. And there's another angle: the lockup expiration. Most IPOs have a 180-day lockup, after which insiders can sell. The market often prices that in weeks ahead of time. You can see volume dry up or put pressure on the stock. I've made good trades shorting into lockup expirations when the stock has run up too far. Luna: So the IPO trade isn't just day one. It's a multi-month timeline. Lucas: Right. And that's why the VVIX matters. If the VVIX is elevated, it means options are pricing more tail risk. That could be because of an upcoming event like an IPO. So I'll look at the VVIX term structure — if it's steepening, it's a clue that big money is hedging for something. Luna: Let's bring it back to today's numbers. VIX at 15.67, VVIX at 91.85. What does that tell you specifically about the IPO pipeline? Lucas: It tells me the market is complacent on the surface but nervous underneath. The VVIX rising while the VIX falls is a divergence. It usually precedes a volatility expansion. An IPO like Anthropic could be the trigger. So I'm watching for a VIX spike above 17 or 18, which would confirm that the nervousness is materializing. Luna: And if that happens, you might want to be short the sector or long volatility. Lucas: Yes. But you have to be precise. I'm not just buying the VIX blindly. I'd look at the VIX futures curve — if it's in contango, the cost of carry eats into your returns. Better to use options on the VIX or on the sector ETFs. Luna: Speaking of ETFs, there's another play. When a hot IPO comes out, you can trade the ETF that holds the most similar companies. For AI, that could be something like the Global X Robotics and AI ETF or the ARK Innovation ETF. Lucas: Great point. The sympathy trade. If Anthropic opens strong, money might flow into those ETFs as a proxy. And since you can trade ETFs all day with tight spreads, it's a more liquid way to play the theme. Luna: But what about the small caps? The Russell is down half a percent this week. Could an IPO suck liquidity out of small caps? Lucas: It can. When a big IPO hits, institutional investors often sell small-cap positions to free up cash for the allocation. That's a real dynamic. So if you're a small-cap trader, you need to know the IPO calendar. The week before a large deal, small caps can underperform. After the IPO settles, the money sometimes rotates back. Luna: So the IPO pipeline is a market-wide factor, not just a single-stock story. Lucas: Exactly. And that's why I check the IPO calendar every week. There are sites that list upcoming deals, the size, the sector. I look at the total dollar amount expected. If it's a big week, I know to be careful with my sector exposure. Luna: Let's talk about a specific recent example. Not Anthropic — that hasn't priced yet. But think back to the last big tech IPO. How did it affect the tape? Lucas: I'll use a durable example: the ARM IPO back in 2023. That was a big deal — SoftBank's chip designer. On the day it started trading, it opened at around 60, closed at 63 or so. The pop was moderate. But what was interesting was the effect on other chip stocks. NVIDIA actually dipped a bit that day on the open, then recovered. The IPO absorbed some attention and capital, but the sector was strong enough to absorb it. Luna: So the impact depends on the overall market context. In a strong tape, an IPO is just a speed bump. In a fragile tape, it can be a catalyst for a selloff. Lucas: Right. And right now, the tape is strong but not exuberant. The S&P at 7572, the Dow at 52659. Breadth is okay. But the VVIX divergence tells me the fragility is there. So an Anthropic IPO could be the thing that tips the balance. Luna: One more thing — the Warsh testimony today. Fed Chairman Warsh testified on the economy and rates. How does that intersect with the IPO pipeline? Lucas: It's a big factor. IPO pricing depends on the rate environment. Lower rates mean lower discount rates, higher valuations. If Warsh signals a pause or a cut, that's a green light for more IPOs. If he sounds hawkish, the pipeline could slow. So the IPO calendar is also a barometer for how the market reads the Fed. Luna: So as a day trader, you're not just looking at charts. You're reading the IPO pipeline, the VIX, the VVIX, and the Fed all at once. Lucas: That's the job. It's a mosaic. But the IPO piece is often overlooked. Most retail traders focus on the S&P or the VIX and ignore supply dynamics. But supply matters. A wave of new shares can change the game. Luna: Alright, so if I'm a day trader listening, what's one concrete takeaway from today? Lucas: Check the IPO calendar this week. See if any deals are coming that match sectors you trade. If there's a big AI IPO on the horizon, be ready for volatility in ai related names. And watch the VVIX — if it keeps climbing while the VIX stays low, that divergence is your early warning. That's the signal to tighten risk or position for a move. Luna: Good stuff. I'll be watching the Anthropic story closely. And I'll have that coffee link in mind. Lucas: Appreciate it. And those numbers again — if the show adds value, buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Keeps us independent. We'll be back tomorrow with another signal you can use.