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Finding Chase Massner episode 2: His mother's search for answers · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace finding Chase Masner Episode two. She wants her son home.
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Speaker 1: Chase Masner isn't a Rock War veteran, a husband, a father,
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Speaker 1: and he's missing. His mother, Stephanie has worried about him
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Speaker 1: every day for three years. His wife told us she
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Speaker 1: dropped him off at a quick trip in Cobb County,
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Speaker 1: where he works. His family says he was last seen
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Speaker 1: at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years ago on March.
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Speaker 1: We don't know what happened. I mean, it's like he
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Speaker 1: vanished from that home, not to be seen or heard
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Speaker 1: from again. Him that he would never do this and
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't just go and leave his family and his
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Speaker 1: love for interfere. Despite some intense searching, a few clues
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Speaker 1: have been found. We have a missing veteran, We have
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Speaker 1: a friend, a son, a father, and our main goal
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Speaker 1: has always been to bring him home, and that emotion
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Speaker 1: will never end until he's that going. Three years after
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Speaker 1: a Sun Chase Master went missing, Stephanie Codinia continue searching
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Speaker 1: for him. The first several weeks they were not actively
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Speaker 1: investigating because, in their words, it's not a crime to
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Speaker 1: be missing. If he wanted to walk away, it's not
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Speaker 1: a crime. Every once in a while, I allow myself
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Speaker 1: to imagine going into my twins room and one or
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Speaker 1: both of them are gone. Why do I ever imagine
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Speaker 1: that as painful as it is because of a particular woman,
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Speaker 1: and her name is Stephanie Cadina. Because every day she
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Speaker 1: looks at her son's picture. Every day she wonders, where
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Speaker 1: is he? What happened? What can I do to find him?
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Speaker 1: And I put myself in that spot, and I can
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Speaker 1: imagine myself just running out the door like a wild animal,
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Speaker 1: screaming to the neighborhood. Have you seen John David? Have
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Speaker 1: you seen Lucy? And at a certain point, when you
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Speaker 1: can't cry anymore, and you can't speak anymore, and your
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Speaker 1: voice is cracked and you've got nobody to turn to,
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Speaker 1: you just go numb. This is crime stories. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: and I want to thank you for being with me.
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Speaker 1: We have traveled to see that woman. Stephanie Cadina is
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Speaker 1: with me right now. Also with me is Daniel Wilkerson
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Speaker 1: from CBS forty six, who has also been on the story,
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Speaker 1: wish you were here with us. We're all gathered around
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Speaker 1: a table. We're all sifting through bits and pieces of evidence,
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Speaker 1: today and now to Stephanie Cadina. Stephanie, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. You know we have gone round and
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Speaker 1: round and round like a dog chasing its tail and
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Speaker 1: then when you catch it, you still don't have anything.
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Speaker 1: Can you take me back to the day that Chase
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Speaker 1: went missing? What happened? Chase was at our house. He
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Speaker 1: was staying with us for a few days, and spoke
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Speaker 1: with Amanda, his wife, on the phone. Now, hold on,
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Speaker 1: he's married with two little girls at this time, two
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Speaker 1: little little girls, but he and a man. He's just
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Speaker 1: come out of active duty. He's coming home and he's
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Speaker 1: having problems assimilating back into the regular civilian world. Okay,
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Speaker 1: A lot of people can identify with that. When I
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Speaker 1: came out of prosecuting crimes, I had a hard time
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Speaker 1: assimilating with regular people. So I can barely imagine what
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Speaker 1: he was going through. So he's fighting with Amanda, and
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Speaker 1: he came to stay at your house for a few days,
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Speaker 1: all right, Okay? Then what he had been with us
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Speaker 1: for three days, and he had the next two days
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Speaker 1: off work, and Amanda and asked him to go back
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Speaker 1: to their house for those two days. And she came
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Speaker 1: to pick him up from the house, and they were
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Speaker 1: arguing already at the pickup, before even on the phone,
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Speaker 1: before the pickup, Why over what you know? I don't
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Speaker 1: was that money. I didn't know they were having problems
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Speaker 1: until Amanda asked me if Chase could come and spend
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Speaker 1: some time at our house so they could have space.
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Speaker 1: Away from each work, and she had just started working
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks prior to this. Okay, so he
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Speaker 1: finally lands a job at Quick Trip. Yes, I know,
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Speaker 1: you don't grow up as a little boy thinking hey,
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Speaker 1: one day I want to be a clerk at Quick Trip.
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Speaker 1: I get it. But he was having a hard time.
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Speaker 1: So landing that job and going to it on a
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Speaker 1: regular basis and assimilar was kind of a triumph, right, yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: So they leave together. Where were the babies? The girls
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Speaker 1: in the car? Then? What happens? And what day is that?
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Speaker 1: In March three? All right? Then what happens? And what
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Speaker 1: time of the day was that? It was in the evening,
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Speaker 1: early evening. I'm thinking six in the evening. Okay, he leaves.
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Speaker 1: When did you hear from him next? Never? That was
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Speaker 1: it when he left? What do you remember about him leaving?
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Speaker 1: What little thing do you remember? He was just so frustrated.
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Speaker 1: That's the only word I can come up with is frustrated.
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Speaker 1: It was he was very irritated, agitated, and just about
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Speaker 1: what this could be important? What do you think he
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Speaker 1: was agitated about? Whatever was going on in their marriage?
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Speaker 1: Was it that or was it just life in general?
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Speaker 1: Or the argument he was having with Amanda. I really
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Speaker 1: think it was just what was going on between he
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Speaker 1: and Amanda. Okay, well, they've all been there. So he
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Speaker 1: leaves her on six thirty that evening, three six March,
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Speaker 1: and you never saw him again, and you never spoke
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Speaker 1: to him again. Did you ever text with him again? No?
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Speaker 1: I text him, but I didn't get any response. That's significant.
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Speaker 1: When did you text him? Not until the next day.
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Speaker 1: Is that normal for him to have gone the whole
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Speaker 1: night without texting or anything. Well, yes, because like I
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Speaker 1: told you before, I just assumed they went home and
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Speaker 1: we're working things out, So I didn't try to call
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Speaker 1: him or text him that night. The next day, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the last thing of married couple of news is the
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Speaker 1: mother in law butting in. Okay. Had he already had
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Speaker 1: supper here with you? So he left and for all
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Speaker 1: you knew the girls they went out to dinner or
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Speaker 1: went home, and you just just say no news is
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Speaker 1: good news. Okay. So next day what happens? Next day,
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Speaker 1: I got up, just proceeded as a normal day, and
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Speaker 1: I got a text from Amanda later in the afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Did you text him that day? Not until after I
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Speaker 1: heard from a man. Okay, what did she say? She said,
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know that Chase did
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Speaker 1: not come home with me last night. I mean, really,
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Speaker 1: they couldn't just hold it together for five or six
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Speaker 1: hours until they fell asleep, So something went bad there.
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Speaker 1: Did she tell you what? No, she didn't give me
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Speaker 1: any details, but she she told me that, Um, she
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Speaker 1: took Chase to Breath House between eight and nine the
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Speaker 1: night of three twenty six. She took him to Breath
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Speaker 1: so they made it for about three hours. Yes, got
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Speaker 1: into an argument. She took him to Brad's. Do you
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Speaker 1: believe she took him to Brad's? I do. I have
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Speaker 1: no reason not to believe that she didn't, because Brad
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Speaker 1: says he was there. So you texted him at what
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Speaker 1: time that day? Well, as soon as I found out
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Speaker 1: that Chase was not with Amanda, as soon as I
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Speaker 1: got that text, I started calling his phone and texting.
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Speaker 1: And what time would that have been? After? Four? Okay?
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Speaker 1: So four pm? You start texting and calling. Then Thursday
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Speaker 1: March twenty seven, at three seven p m. R. Baby leave,
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Speaker 1: please give me a call on the phone that you're
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Speaker 1: just sleeping, which is totally okay, but I need to
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Speaker 1: know that you're all right. I love you And this message.
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Speaker 1: Did the phone goes straight to voicemail or did it ring?
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Speaker 1: I just wont off his phone was already out of commission.
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Speaker 1: I wonder was he killed that night and everything else
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Speaker 1: was a lie? That's what I'm wondering. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it went straight to voicemail. I can't. I can't remember
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Speaker 1: for sure. Would you have expected to hear from him
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Speaker 1: before four o'clock? No, but after you texted him and
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Speaker 1: called him, what you've expected to hear from him? Yes,
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Speaker 1: immediately or a few hours later, within five ten minutes.
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Speaker 1: That was your relationship. Yes, Okay, I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: to Daniel. Daniel does what she's saying, so for jive
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Speaker 1: with your knowledge of the facts. It does. The only
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Speaker 1: thing that is a little off from Brad Clement, the
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Speaker 1: friend who last saw Chase. He says that he picked
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Speaker 1: Chase up from QT, but you're saying that Amanda says
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Speaker 1: she dropped Chase off at Brad's house. Actually, in the
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Speaker 1: when I called UM and reported Chase missing and Amanda
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Speaker 1: came into the middle of the report, she actually said
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Speaker 1: both things, that she took Chase to Brad's house and
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Speaker 1: that she dropped Chase off at quick trip. You know what,
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Speaker 1: I used to have an old judge. He was eighty
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Speaker 1: four years old on the bench, and he was dead
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Speaker 1: set on proving everybody he was the fittest judge in
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Speaker 1: the courthouse, which he was, I might add, and he
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Speaker 1: would tell every jury it is your duty to make
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Speaker 1: all witnesses speak the truth and impume perjury on no one,
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Speaker 1: Which means different witnesses can see or hear are different things,
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Speaker 1: and they can all be telling the truth in one
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Speaker 1: way or the other. So that could have been true
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Speaker 1: for all I know, she took him to Brad's house
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Speaker 1: and he wasn't there, and then dropped him a quick
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Speaker 1: trip or whatever. It could very well be that way.
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Speaker 1: The fact is Brad says they meant a quick trip,
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Speaker 1: and she says she left him with Brad. And we know,
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Speaker 1: we believe anyway that he was with Brad from that
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Speaker 1: point on. So quick trip or house? How far did
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Speaker 1: he live a quick trip anyway? Two minutes, okay, So
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Speaker 1: we know that he was with Brad that after that night,
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Speaker 1: by ten o'clock he was with Brad, and you never
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Speaker 1: saw or heard from him after that that was the
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Speaker 1: last time anyone but Brad saw him that we know of. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: at Brad's house he was having rufing done. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: And did they any of the roofers ever see him?
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Speaker 1: They're alive. I don't know, do you know, Dan know?
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Speaker 1: I talked to or spoke with the owner of the
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Speaker 1: roofing company and he says they never saw Chase where
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Speaker 1: they have Was he in a bedroom of sleep the
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Speaker 1: whole time or what? According to Brad, yes, he was
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Speaker 1: in a bedroom sleep so and never came out of
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Speaker 1: the bedroom according to the roof or no. Now were
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Speaker 1: the roofers in the home or outside the home? They
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Speaker 1: were outside the home. Primarily they had a barbecue. Brad
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Speaker 1: had a barbecue and at some point, yes, I mean,
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Speaker 1: why I just cut him a check? Why would you
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Speaker 1: give a barbecue? Brad says that he invited him hand
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Speaker 1: for a barbecue. And while they're the rufers say Brad
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Speaker 1: gave them a chore of Brad's home included the bedroom.
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Speaker 1: They went all over. According to well, did they see
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Speaker 1: did they see Chase? No? They didn't. I'm not even
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Speaker 1: ask why would he give the rufers a tour of
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Speaker 1: his home. But that's significant. If he gave them a
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Speaker 1: tour of his home, then you would have expected him
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Speaker 1: to go in that bedroom. Did the rufers say he
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Speaker 1: went in the bedrooms? I don't know specifically where they went.
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Speaker 1: He just said that Brad gave him a tour of
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Speaker 1: the home, and the Rufers said that he thought that
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Speaker 1: was odd. Well, I agree with that. Okay. So at
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Speaker 1: that time, we have no reason to know that Chase
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Speaker 1: is dead or alive. We're asleep in the bedroom, were gone.
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Speaker 1: So the last time anyone can corroborate him being alive
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Speaker 1: is that night around Yes, now, if you take Brat's testimony,
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Speaker 1: you know he saw him, but as far as more
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Speaker 1: anyone more than Brat, No, that and a dollar won't
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Speaker 1: even buy me a gallon of gas. Okay, So let's
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Speaker 1: just move from we know he's alive around ten o'clock
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Speaker 1: that night. All right, let me ask you this. If
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Speaker 1: he went to Great Trip, it's my understanding that he
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Speaker 1: was in Quick Trip for about thirty minutes. Is that true, Stephanie,
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Speaker 1: That's what I've heard, Yes, heard from Brett. That's Bratt's
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Speaker 1: Bratt's testimony. Okay, So well, you know what, that can
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Speaker 1: kind of be corroborated because a mana says she left
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Speaker 1: him there. All right, guys, what we're trying to do
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Speaker 1: is nail down a timeline. This is what is what
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Speaker 1: goes into nailing down a timeline as best as possible.
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Speaker 1: So we're trying to find someone. We're trying to find case.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. He served his country, he came home,
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Speaker 1: he tried to assimilate into civilian life, wife Amanda, to babies,
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Speaker 1: loving mother, seemingly no answers, and I think we owe
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Speaker 1: a military vet the time in the effort of trying
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Speaker 1: to help find him. For all I know, this guy
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Speaker 1: is living under a bridge in l A. But my
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Speaker 1: bet is he's not if we've got him alive at
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Speaker 1: that time. Who's the police authority, Cobb County Patty. What
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Speaker 1: are they saying about surveillance video at Quick Trip? I mean,
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Speaker 1: you might as well be in NASA or or or
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Speaker 1: a Vegas casino because Quick Trip is tricked out with
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Speaker 1: surveillance typically, So what about that. COB hasn't said any
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Speaker 1: to anything to me. They said more to Stephanie, right, yes,
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Speaker 1: and I don't believe they have any surveillance and they
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Speaker 1: tried to get it or just dropped it off. I
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Speaker 1: don't believe they tried to get it. No, now we
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Speaker 1: don't know for sure that Cord didn't pull it. We
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Speaker 1: don't know for sure. But the first several weeks they
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Speaker 1: were not actively investigating because, in their words, it's not
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Speaker 1: a crime to be missing. If he wanted to walk away,
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Speaker 1: it's not a crime. Okay, let's talk about that. Had
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Speaker 1: he ever in his life gone this long without texting
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Speaker 1: you were calling you ever? Never? And you know what
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Speaker 1: I say, if you don't know a horse, look at
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Speaker 1: his track record. So what somebody has done in the past,
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Speaker 1: they're likely to do again. If they had gone his
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Speaker 1: whole lot, texting you and calling you every what day,
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Speaker 1: other day, what all the time, then why would he
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Speaker 1: quit that day? It's like to H G double L
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Speaker 1: and my mother. So I don't believe that. I don't either.
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Speaker 1: So that leads me to quick trip surveillance video And
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Speaker 1: is it true they walked across the street to Walgreens
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Speaker 1: Chase one. Why do you know? Why do you think
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Speaker 1: that his credit card shutting me the purchase? Was it
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Speaker 1: him that made the purchase? I believe, so, yes, do
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Speaker 1: you know what it was? No? Do you know how much?
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Speaker 1: It was? Nine dollars and some change. I think at Walgreens. Well,
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Speaker 1: you cannot get anything illegal much at Walgreens, so is
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Speaker 1: it Walgreens? So that makes me think it was him
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Speaker 1: nine bucks? And when was that? That was three six
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Speaker 1: at night? Yes, the same evening, So what time that was?
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Speaker 1: A man who says she dropped in on a quick
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Speaker 1: grip and watched walked across the street to Walgreens. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so temping m at the outside. Somebody says that she
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Speaker 1: dropped him on the eight o'clock and then a lady
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Speaker 1: and the quick trip says she dropped him off around
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Speaker 1: that I did, okay, and that job with what Brad said,
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Speaker 1: he said that, okay, so we got multiple places. Now
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Speaker 1: the only significance. I don't think we're gonna find much
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Speaker 1: significant at a Walgreen video, so you don't have to worry. Oh,
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Speaker 1: they dropped the ball on that because it's gonna show
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Speaker 1: him buying something for nine dollars. But what might be
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Speaker 1: significant is thirty minutes in Quick Trip because what happened
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Speaker 1: in there maybe nothing, but I'd like to see who
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Speaker 1: he was talking to. Was there somebody else in there
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Speaker 1: that followed him that trying to rob him, that followed
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Speaker 1: him back to the car that you know, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's very significant. That one after Walgreens is that when
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Speaker 1: he went with Brad, he went back to Quick Trip.
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Speaker 1: And we know that from what I told another manager
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Speaker 1: show down, he was going to offer him a ride.
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Speaker 1: He didn't want to, God, you need to ride if
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Speaker 1: Brad was there before I got you, okay, called the
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Speaker 1: other manager, can you come to do something with chance?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean, come and do something? So that
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Speaker 1: night we know he goes from Walgreens back to Quick
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Speaker 1: Trip and this is all around nine pm, between nine
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Speaker 1: and ten, and another Quick Trip employee named Bob is
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Speaker 1: called to pick him up and give him a ride.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct, Stephanie? Yes? So did Bob arrive, Yes?
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Speaker 1: And Bob saw Chase. Yes, And Chase said he didn't
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Speaker 1: need a ride, right, that's okay. So Bob leaves him
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Speaker 1: where Chase said, walked across the street and waited for
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Speaker 1: Bob to leave, and then he went back to the
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Speaker 1: Quick Trip. So he's last name. I now we're getting
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Speaker 1: around ten o'clock. I would assume yes, so okay, and
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Speaker 1: that gives me another witness telling me he's alive at
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Speaker 1: that time. Yes, all right. What's this about a picture
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Speaker 1: of being taken of him? I'm any child. Bob supposedly
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Speaker 1: took a picture of Chase. That was time stand at
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Speaker 1: nine oh five on the nine of why. I have
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Speaker 1: no idea. I have no idea, but the pictures that
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Speaker 1: I have is that you have the picture. I have
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Speaker 1: the picture pure. He's standing there holding to sleep drinks.
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Speaker 1: He's got his red hooded on. To do what sleep drinks? Nero, nemo,
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Speaker 1: I don't come and back quick track, quick trip, and
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Speaker 1: he just takes the picture. What do we think happens
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Speaker 1: after that? That's that's the enigma. Brad picks him up
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Speaker 1: around tent Thorty Karen. Brad tells me that he told
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Speaker 1: Chase that, hey, you can come with me. I'm building
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Speaker 1: a computer. We'll go back to my house. You can
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Speaker 1: watch me be able the computer. He said. They went
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Speaker 1: back to the house, they went up in Brad's room.
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Speaker 1: When he got there, Chase leg on Brad's bed. Brad
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Speaker 1: was on the floor with the computer. He said. They
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Speaker 1: talk all night, basically about Chase's relationship with Amanda and aggregations.
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Speaker 1: And he said they end up just falling asleep. That
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Speaker 1: sounds like a recipe for disaster. You're up all night,
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Speaker 1: one of you may or may not be drinking or
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Speaker 1: doing drugs, and then suddenly the person goes missing. Have
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Speaker 1: you noticed that everything goes bad after midnight? I mean really? Okay? Soup,
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Speaker 1: And that's confirmed by the people at QT. Yes, okay.
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Speaker 1: And then he's never seen again by anybody other than Brad.
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Speaker 1: That's correct, now, Stephanie. According to Brad, they stay up
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Speaker 1: all night working on a computer and yes, talking, Yes,
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Speaker 1: then what happens? What do we know from Brad? According
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Speaker 1: to Brad, the roofs arrived around seven o'clock seven a m.
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Speaker 1: Brad says he went down, he let the roofers in,
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Speaker 1: got them started, or I shouldn't say let him in.
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Speaker 1: He says that he got the roofs started on the house.
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Speaker 1: He says he then went back inside and moved Chase
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Speaker 1: from his room to a guest room because I guess
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Speaker 1: the area where the roofers were going to be working
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Speaker 1: would be right over his bedroom. And he said he
22:09
Speaker 1: left Chase there. He said that he helped Chase carry
22:13
Speaker 1: some bags out of his room, because I asked himself,
22:16
Speaker 1: was Chase could he walk? I mean, you know, how
22:19
Speaker 1: did you help him? He said? I picked up his bags,
22:21
Speaker 1: I helped him to the room, and Chase fell asleep there.
22:25
Speaker 1: And I guess our two transpires and Brad goes downstairs.
22:31
Speaker 1: He comes back up, he gets Chase's phone, and he
22:37
Speaker 1: uh then leaves. He left a total twice one. The
22:40
Speaker 1: first time he left, he's Brad says, was to take
22:44
Speaker 1: a computer to a friend. He said he came back
22:48
Speaker 1: the computer that they worked on all night. Yes, yes,
22:52
Speaker 1: he says, he came. He's trying to make a little
22:54
Speaker 1: more sense to me if they stayed up all night
22:55
Speaker 1: talking while Chase was still asleep. I mean, he wasn't coming,
22:59
Speaker 1: wasn't to go home to Amanda, So why not. He's
23:03
Speaker 1: been up all night fixating on his relationship with his wife,
23:07
Speaker 1: so why not sleep it off? And we have text
23:09
Speaker 1: messages right that night of Amanda and Chase going back
23:13
Speaker 1: and forth the morning, so he's alive the morning of
23:17
Speaker 1: the twenty seven based on text mestres. Have you seen
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Speaker 1: the messagress? Do you know they exist? The text messages
23:23
Speaker 1: are between Brian and Amanda. Brian is using Chase's phone,
23:28
Speaker 1: texting Amanda. He asked Amanda if had had to work
23:34
Speaker 1: that night. If so, he would get him up. But
23:36
Speaker 1: before he started texting Amanda, he called the quick trip.
23:40
Speaker 1: All right, I thought these were between Chase and Amanda
23:43
Speaker 1: once kind eleven o'clock between Chases phone and Amanda's phone.
23:49
Speaker 1: We don't know the details of right, We don't know
23:53
Speaker 1: that they're out of six. Why don't we know the details?
23:58
Speaker 1: We don't have a verbatim. Did she ever tell you, Amanda?
24:02
Speaker 1: Why did you ask her? I didn't. She doesn't talk
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Speaker 1: to me. Did you ask her? Did you ask her?
24:10
Speaker 1: So we don't know what they were Probably the fight
24:12
Speaker 1: most likely. So now I've got him alive, and around
24:16
Speaker 1: eleven thirty, if you believe the text, next morning, Chase leaves.
24:20
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Brad leaves. The roofers are there. He changed
24:24
Speaker 1: his bedrooms. That's a significant detail to me because that
24:28
Speaker 1: sounds like it's true. That doesn't sound like something can
24:32
Speaker 1: make up that we changed bedrooms. You know what I mean?
24:37
Speaker 1: You okay? So we have him alive. The next morning,
24:40
Speaker 1: we think around what time is that seven? Around that
24:46
Speaker 1: time did the roofers go in the bedroom where he
24:49
Speaker 1: had been No, now the rufers that could be explaining
24:52
Speaker 1: away why he wasn't in there. According to the rufers,
24:55
Speaker 1: they didn't come into the house until later, I think
24:58
Speaker 1: when they started to eat, which was what around. It
25:02
Speaker 1: was late on that afternoon, probably between two and four,
25:06
Speaker 1: So by that time, Brad says, Chase has already disappeared
25:11
Speaker 1: by the time they grill out. So Brad left twice
25:15
Speaker 1: wanted to get them to take comp to take the computer,
25:19
Speaker 1: the other time to pick up food. He ran to
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Speaker 1: public and he says, he ran to like a home
25:24
Speaker 1: depot or lows. He came back, he said that Chase
25:28
Speaker 1: was there. He went up in the bedroom, he saw Chase.
25:30
Speaker 1: He was sleeping. He says. He then went downstairs to
25:33
Speaker 1: start cooking. While cooking, he caught the backyard on fire.
25:37
Speaker 1: According to Brad, who caught the backyard, Brad caught his
25:42
Speaker 1: own backyard on fire well grilling. He says, a coal
25:46
Speaker 1: fell out of the grille and fell on the pine
25:48
Speaker 1: straw and caused the big, huge fire. From what I think,
25:52
Speaker 1: it's collaborated by the roofers. Yes, so Brad told me
25:57
Speaker 1: in his interview with me that he then went upstairs
26:00
Speaker 1: is to tell Chase, hey, man, look, you're not gonna
26:03
Speaker 1: believe what happened. And when he went Chase was not there,
26:07
Speaker 1: and he says, that was the last time. You can
26:10
Speaker 1: back it up. So that morning, Brad leaves the home
26:14
Speaker 1: to deliver a computer that he worked on all night. Okay,
26:19
Speaker 1: let's the rufer's in, and he leaves, changes the rooms
26:22
Speaker 1: for a Chase. He comes back at what time the
26:27
Speaker 1: last time after delivering the computer? After delivering again, okay,
26:35
Speaker 1: when does he When does Brad leave? Does he see Chase? Then? Yes,
26:40
Speaker 1: he says he sees Chasing asleep. Okay. Then he leaves
26:44
Speaker 1: again to go up Lows and to the grocery store, grocery.
26:49
Speaker 1: What time does he leave to do that? Probably grocery
26:53
Speaker 1: and what does he need it Lows? We don't know.
26:56
Speaker 1: So he comes back from Lows in the grocery store
26:59
Speaker 1: at what time too, between two and four sometime to
27:04
Speaker 1: train and he doesn't see Chase. Then he does. He
27:08
Speaker 1: goes back upstairs, he sees Chase. He then goes down
27:13
Speaker 1: and starts to cookie in the backyard. No, he sleep
27:17
Speaker 1: and he said at that point I could tell that
27:19
Speaker 1: he hadn't moved because he was in the same spot
27:22
Speaker 1: as when I was. You off for that information, same
27:27
Speaker 1: spot information. That's very odd. Don't you think that's odd? Yes? Okay,
27:33
Speaker 1: he says odd, either that he mentioned it or that
27:35
Speaker 1: it's true. Both of those are odd to me. All right.
27:39
Speaker 1: So then he then went downstairs started to grill and
27:45
Speaker 1: somehow caught the backyard on fire. They get it out,
27:51
Speaker 1: he goes back. Brad goes back upstairs to tell Chase,
27:54
Speaker 1: Hey man, I called the yard on fire. You're I'm
27:56
Speaker 1: gonna believe what happened. At that point, you realized Chase
27:59
Speaker 1: was gone. So somewhere between say four and six, that's
28:02
Speaker 1: when Chase disappears. Okay, so I thought he was back.
28:07
Speaker 1: From between two and four, he returned bright color, and
28:14
Speaker 1: Chase has done a voice mail saying, hey man, where
28:17
Speaker 1: are you? That I went back up there and you
28:19
Speaker 1: were going. Then Thursday, March twenty seven, at three fifty
28:26
Speaker 1: a man, what's up? What did you gotta do? I
28:28
Speaker 1: stopped back from I'm in a run down town. Um
28:33
Speaker 1: the roof, and guy, should you left up like two hours?
28:38
Speaker 1: I think they've used out of here and the message,
28:45
Speaker 1: but the roofs say they did not seem like Is
28:47
Speaker 1: that right? The Ruffs say they did not see him leave.
28:50
Speaker 1: And in my interview I asked Bread, I said, you
28:54
Speaker 1: initially said early on that the roofers saw cha leave,
29:00
Speaker 1: and then you change your story. I said what? And
29:03
Speaker 1: his reply was, I just assumed the roofers saw Chase lead.
29:08
Speaker 1: So that this is what we don't have. We don't
29:11
Speaker 1: have the video surveillance from quick Trip verifying the thirty
29:15
Speaker 1: minutes that he's there, but we have a photo that
29:18
Speaker 1: seems to verify he was there. We don't know that
29:22
Speaker 1: he ever made it to Brad's and we can't verify
29:27
Speaker 1: also the computer stop where Brad went that morning to
29:32
Speaker 1: drop off a computer, the roofs say they never saw him,
29:36
Speaker 1: even though they took a tour of his home. Do
29:39
Speaker 1: we know if police ever pinned Chase's phone? Do you know, Stephanie,
29:45
Speaker 1: I don't know that. What, if anything, have police shared
29:49
Speaker 1: with you that they're doing on the case. They've told
29:53
Speaker 1: me that they've interviewed Brad. Did they ask him to
29:57
Speaker 1: take a polly? Brad tells me yes, they did ask
30:01
Speaker 1: him to take a policy. Take the po he says
30:03
Speaker 1: he did not because he says his nerves would have
30:05
Speaker 1: been all over the place, and he says that if
30:08
Speaker 1: they had asked his address, he would have gotten Well,
30:11
Speaker 1: how about now, do you think he's still nervy? In
30:14
Speaker 1: my interview, he says that he would take one. Let's
30:17
Speaker 1: good to know, and we could set that up. But
30:19
Speaker 1: then a couple of days later he told me he wouldn't.
30:22
Speaker 1: So I don't know what. Well, maybe we can persuade him.
30:26
Speaker 1: What are they telling you that they have done? I
30:28
Speaker 1: know you begged him to search a a dumpster in
30:32
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that was full of roofing materials, correct, and
30:36
Speaker 1: they searched the wrong dumpster. What else have they done?
30:41
Speaker 1: They're trying to verify the computer drop off, which they
30:44
Speaker 1: have not been able to find. If they can't find
30:47
Speaker 1: it by now, I would guess that it didn't happen,
30:50
Speaker 1: wild guess. But you know what, We're back at square one, Stephanie,
30:56
Speaker 1: because we have to talk to Brad. That's the missing
31:00
Speaker 1: link here. Now we know he has refused to polygraph
31:05
Speaker 1: and then stated again he will take a polygraph. I'm
31:09
Speaker 1: going looking for him, Okay, okay, armed with nothing but
31:14
Speaker 1: my iPhone and I am going to find him and
31:18
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him what happened. I'm gonna see what
31:21
Speaker 1: story he's gonna tell me, and we'll take it from there.
31:25
Speaker 1: But I want to note from you, as we sit
31:29
Speaker 1: here together right now, what are your thoughts? I just
31:34
Speaker 1: I just want another truth. I want to know what
31:37
Speaker 1: happened to Chase. Do you believe Chase is still alive?
31:42
Speaker 1: I do not. Now are you saying that with your
31:45
Speaker 1: heart and your head? Or yes? I don't believe he's
31:51
Speaker 1: a life. Can you think of a reason that anyone
31:58
Speaker 1: would have wanted him dead? Not a single reason? To
32:05
Speaker 1: his daughters ever asked where is daddy? The oldest one does?
32:12
Speaker 1: And what do people tell the daughters? I've been told
32:20
Speaker 1: that Chase's grandparents grandfather specifically, has talked to Sydney and
32:29
Speaker 1: told her that her daddy's in heaven. Have any of
32:35
Speaker 1: these players come to speak to you, the friend, the
32:41
Speaker 1: computer people, Brad, the Quick Trip people, the renters down
32:47
Speaker 1: the street, everyone would possibly have seen him after you did.
32:52
Speaker 1: Has anybody come forward to tell you anything? No? Why?
33:00
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like everybody, everybody's back and away
33:03
Speaker 1: from this. I don't want to touch it with a
33:05
Speaker 1: ten football, and I find that very disturbing. I do too.
33:09
Speaker 1: What's your message today to anyone that knows anything about
33:15
Speaker 1: Chase's whereabouts? Get it off your chest, tell us the truth,
33:23
Speaker 1: and let us have peace. Would you be willing to
33:28
Speaker 1: forego a prosecution in exchange for knowing what happened to Chase? Absolutely,
33:36
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not trying to get revenge or get
33:40
Speaker 1: anyone in trouble, and it's just trying to find justice
33:45
Speaker 1: for Chase. See. I don't think that I could ever
33:50
Speaker 1: live with knowing someone killed him. I don't think I
33:56
Speaker 1: could exchange justice for truth. I'm not sure about that.
33:59
Speaker 1: I got to think the thing through. Just is it
34:02
Speaker 1: worth just knowing what happened to forgo a prosecution of
34:08
Speaker 1: whoever is responsible? I don't know the answer to that.
34:12
Speaker 1: I've never had to face that question myself. I've had
34:14
Speaker 1: to ask other people that question. I've lived the last
34:18
Speaker 1: three years not knowing, and every single day it's just hell,
34:37
Speaker 1: you know what. I don't know what's gonna happen, but
34:39
Speaker 1: I know this. We're gonna try because I can't stand
34:42
Speaker 1: see any cry like this. And if it were God
34:46
Speaker 1: forbid my own child. I can live with myself. Either
34:54
Speaker 1: with me is Chase Master's mother, Stephanie. And we are
34:59
Speaker 1: on a search for the truth. And again thank you
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Speaker 1: our search for Chase Masner possible. In our search for answers,
35:14
Speaker 1: we have finally found the wild card. Brad Clements take
35:20
Speaker 1: me through what happened that when he goes missing. I mean,
35:23
Speaker 1: it's really not that much like it's like everybody says,
35:27
Speaker 1: I like change my story and all this stuff, but
35:29
Speaker 1: it's like that was like what I did that day,
35:31
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that wasn't really anything to do
35:34
Speaker 1: with Chase. It was like, you know, I ran about
35:35
Speaker 1: of errings what I was doing, you know, most time
35:38
Speaker 1: when I was fixing up my house, like he was
35:40
Speaker 1: there that night and then you know, basically left sometime
35:45
Speaker 1: between when I was coming back from the store to
35:49
Speaker 1: when I started cooking. Like I mean, he had to
35:52
Speaker 1: act like I mean that that's the only logical thing.
35:55
Speaker 1: You will hear Brad's story in episode three of Finding
36:00
Speaker 1: Chase Masner, where we track him down and grill him
36:05
Speaker 1: for over an hour. You'll be surprised at what year,
36:10
Speaker 1: Episode three, Finding Chase Masner. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,