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Barely Live #57 - Happy Hour Salmon · Barely Live

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  Are you in? Uh? What's time? What? Listen up? I
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  agree? I love about Roger. Well, you can mean so much to
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  me that you guys miss me. No, I don't think so. Mexico
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  God must be drinks yelling dude. Oh chicks, I think your bedazzled jeans
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  are too tight. Alright, alright, okay, coming in hot. Uh
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  so not normal to form here. Paul's gonna work on dolland the numbers.
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  But we got a call going out to our buddy Shawn out and whole White
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  e U runs Nervous Water h fly shop out there, and also Nervous Water
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  Hawaiian on Instagram nervousaw It our Hawaii. Uh, it's his website as well.
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  We're just gonna touch base with him about bone fishing over in Hawaii and
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  maybe a little bit about the fires and the bad stuff going on over there
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  too. But we're gonna call him right off the rip because he's actually in
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  the shop today. He's hanging up a little I'm busy signed in the glass
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  so he can talk to us. So we're trying to time this out across
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  half the damn planet. So Paul's dialing now, are good, We're good
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  I'm good. That was the intro. That's all I got. This usually
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  doesn't so we'll see what happens here. Yeah. Hell, hey Sean,
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  can you hear me? That's we can it's going on. Hey buddy,
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  hey, uh, this is Mike. You're you're sitting here with Mike,
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  Paul there he is, and Doug and you're also Hardwick, our buddy who's
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  gonna be sitting in later talking about some salmon stuff. But we uh dialing
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  you up. Man. How are you doing good? Sitting in the store.
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  How you guys doing Yeah? Good? Man good? So what time
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  is it in Hawaii right now? It is twelve fifteen okay, so you're
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  six hours behind us? All right, it's it's six well, since people
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  listen whenever they listen, it's six pm here and Charleston. So yeah,
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  man, I gave like a rough intro. It was really quick because we're
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  lazy and we sat down ten seconds before we called you. But basically we
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  know that you have a fly shop there in Hawaii. Which island are you
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  on? By the way, we're Honoluah okay, so fly shop Ina and
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  Honolulu or yeah, Honolulu, honah Wahu and also your guys run a guide
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  service there and Nervous Water as an m your shop and guide service and website.
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  Correct, yep, Nervous WATERHOI, that's us. Cool. So the
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  home of the big bones. Yeah, big ones also here. It's kind
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  of a man's game there, right, like you guys, don't We're not
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  talking about turtle grass and like white sand bottoms. I feel like from what
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  I've heard, it's it's a little different there. We got some sandier areas,
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  but some areas are more reefe. Just kind of varies, but yeah,
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  we do. We do actually have weight a little flats on this island.
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  Not all the islands in Hawaii do, but we do have some decent
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  areas that you can wait fish and or pull the skiff across, and they're
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  more like what you're thinking of a bonefish flat. And then we do have
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  more reefy areas that are a little harder to wait and that kind of stuff,
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  harder to land fish in the coral. Cool. What else do they
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  go after? I'm just curious what's up, like besides bonefish, Like,
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  what else are they going after? My customers? Yeah? Yeah, well,
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  the we have several different species of travellis, so you know, we
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  have gs and blue fins and all those kind of stuff, golden travelli.
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  But the problem is that we tend to eat them all. There's not too
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  many of them in shallow water around people fish. That's how it goes.
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  Now, do you guys, do you guys have a brought uh spectrum of
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  triggers or is it? What's that looking like? Yeah, the singer fish.
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  We have our little steak fish a little which I think they call that
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  the Castle, and then we have we have another one that's lives in a
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  similar area's round. It's called the uh reef trigger, I think. But
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  then we have some of deep water ones that guys catch bottom fishing and stuff
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  like that. But I was about to sally, so I was about to
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  say, do you all have the Atlantic trigger? But man, they don't
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  have. Well, hey, Sean, and get a map, just because
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  like we've never met, I don't know you at all, So just tell
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  us a little about yourself. Are you native Hawaiian or did you move there
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  from somewhere else or like kind of what's your background? How did you end
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  up running a fly shop in Honolulu? Okay, so I'm not native Hawaiian
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  I'm mostly Japanese. I'm a little bit night and I was actually born on
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  the Big Island in Hilo, but I basically living on Oahu my entire life.
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  And I did not start this job. I actually she walked in as
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  a customer when I was in college. And my business partner friend, Clayton,
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  he was the one who opened it up because he learned fly fishing and
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  he went to college in Oregon and there was no fly fishing going on here,
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  but he liked doing it and he figured when way to get it started
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  with we have a little score. So yeah, I walked in as a
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  customer in like two thousand and two, and Clayton got married and moved away
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  to Washington State and I am still here. Nice. So I mean,
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  considering where you guys are, right in the middle of Pacific, do you
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  get a lot of your local clients that are traveling to other parts of the
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  South Pacific? You know the A Tolls and French Polones and all those other
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  places that are you know, pretty famous, you know destinations. Do you
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  guys supply those guys at all? Christmas Island is a big one. Yeah,
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  this is sounding just reopened this past May after closing for three years with
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  the COVID, and we are like the stopover place before you go to Christmas
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  Island. So usually mondays in the shop, I got a bunch of people
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  on their way to Christmas, whether they want to fish, or they hear
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  or they just want to grab some last minute stuff before they head down there.
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  And there are other places people go to, but that's the big one.
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  Yeah, And you know that's people coming from all over except for the
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  Australians because they go will be a Fiji, but you know mainland. You
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  would ask Canada, Europe, all South America. They all got to stop
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  here on their way to Christmas. Sos a medium sized bendfish to me,
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  Yeah here yeah, well until people are average sized fish is four to six
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  pounds, So that's a big average shop. That's a big average man.
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  Well, I mean there's there's small ones and then there's one twice two,
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  so I can see that average. Yeah. Well yeah, okay. I'm
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  as somebody who's only ever fished the Caribbean for bonefish, you know, like
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  I've been some islands that half I've caught double digit bonefish, but I've and
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  I've been the islands where that's not uncommon. But also four to six pound
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  average. Shit, I'll play that game all day. That's well, the
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  downside of this, we don't have that many. It's a lot of those
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  destination places like Christmas Island, you're going to give them flat you can be
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  looking at you know, a few hundred thousand. You don't get that here.
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  So these are like ones twos, like they're not coming in big schools.
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  These are like it's for in sex. So the way it works is
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  there's still a schooling fish and in the deep water they're in a school,
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  but when they move into shallow water, which team means three feet in less,
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  they usually spread out to feed because it's not efficient for them to be
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  all in each other's way when they're trying to feed. They school up for
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  safety. But remember I told you we ate all the big predators. Yeah,
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  so they kind of do what they want. And I think that's what
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  makes money different than a lot of other places. It's not that we have
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  bigger fish, it's that we have big fish in shallow water. Yeah,
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  yeah, that makes sense. Well, in my experience with big bonefish,
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  I've never seen a fish over eight pounds that's ever been with more than one
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  other fish. You know, like ninety percent of the big fish I've ever
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  seen and or caught have you know, we're talking like nine ten pound fish,
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  they've all been they've all been solo. For me, I've never went
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  in a school Instagram, They've always been solo. I don't know, at
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  least in the Caribbean. I feel like those fish become kind of loaners once
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  they get to a certain size. I don't know why. I'm no biologist,
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  but it does. It seems that way every time I get around them.
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  I caught a double digit fish relaider this year that they were in a
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  care So they do kind they'll be friends, but yeah, not going to
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  be in a big They're not going to be in a big school unless they're
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  spawning. Yeah, yeah, when they're gonna go into the spaw. And
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  I'm seeing big schools with that with fish that are easily three foot long in
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  the middle of it. But you're never going to catch those because the little
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  ones, yeah the pile are going to be the first one program to fly.
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  So those and those fishing I think come out of the deep water,
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  those really big ones that are you know, fourteen fifteen sixteen whatever pounds.
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  Yea, they only come up for the spawn. Otherwise they see in the
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  deep water where there's more food for them. Yeah, So like you know
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  the in the you know, I guess the Caribbean, which is my only
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  point of reference. Sorry I keep saying that, but uh, you know
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  the flies we're using, are you know the classic stuff? Gotcha's Uh,
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  you know, sliders, crab patterns, things like that. You guys,
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  because you're fishing a little different. I mean you do fish sandy areas,
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  but like you're talking about fishing reef and stuff like that, Uh, do
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  you fish different types of patterns? I mean, I know bonefish can be
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  pretty predatory on bait, fish patterns and stuff in certain places. You see
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  guys fish a lot of that. What's kind of like your go to?
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  You fishing more crustacean stuff? Are you going more of that baitfish? You
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  know? I don't know, or does something weird crustacean? It depends where
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  I'm fishing, honestly, But if I'm gonna pick, if I'm fishing for
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  tailing fishing and then these shallow water where they get a bunch of pressure,
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  I tend to use pretty tiny flies actually, and people wonder about this,
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  You're going to try to catch a ten pounds fish and the number eight hook
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  and answers yes, because it might actually pipe that it's seen all the sky
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  spore stuff, then it's not really probably going to fall for that. In
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  the deeper water, you know, then you use bigger, heavier flies,
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  so they've got to get down and stay there. The flies we use,
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  compared to like Bahamas looking stuff, I guess our flies are maybe a bit
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  heavier because we fish them on the bottom and don't move them very much.
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  It's not turtle grass. We don't We don't swim them, and we use
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  stuff that's maybe not as flashy. I don't like a lot of crystal flash
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  and sparkly stuff with my flies. It's just more drabbed. And the big
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  thing is though, that we have to lead them a long way. We
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  can't put the fly anywhere near them, you know, it's got to be
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  at least ten feet in front. And if this approaches it, you move
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  it a little bit, and it's a lot of leaving it alone. If
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  you strip it while the fish is looking at it, most of the times
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  he just runs away. This sounds like a nightmare to guy. Yeah,
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  how many guided clients actually catch a fish? It really depends on if they're
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  able to cast at all, and if they listen. Listening is a big
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  part. You're totally sounds like just about anywhere then, right some degree.
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  Well, okay, so the last question I have is what are the because
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  I know what the predators are in the Caribbean obviously for these fish, and
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  that's we keep going back at the cribbing because that's where our experience. That's
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  all we got. It's all right. So but what are the predators on
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  the flats for ben fish? In Hawaii? What eats them? Yeah?
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  Gets sharks? Oh yeah, absolutely. Do you ever go to Christmas Island,
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  You'll see them choolish and finding the water like bl Hey, we're glad
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  Paul is still here because he almost got taken out by a gangle. That
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  is true. That was true. It was a gangle. It was a
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  furious encounter, a furious gangle of gts. So I'm assuming in your fly
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  shop. Hey, Sean, it's Paul, by the way. How you
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  doing, buddy? Thanks again for all the uh the support you gave or
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  our giving. I guess it's not able to give any more towards flood tide.
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  But I appreciate all the biz man, that's been fun seeing you always
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  post that stuff. I needed to make more hats. Man, How am
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  I supposed to catch any fishing on any lucky hats That's true, it'll happen.
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  It's gonna it'll rehappen some former or other in the future. But I'm
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  assuming you guys don't carry a lot of parachute atoms and Prince nim snap shop.
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  Yeah, San Juan worms. Uh, well, so when was the
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  last time someone did see or catch a GT in your area on a flying
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  rod? There's only okay, here's a qualifier because I've caught them a few
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  pounds, many of them. But does that qualify I don't think Yeah,
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  I know, well, more about just the fact that does the species still
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  come around? I guess the fact that you catch even small ones that the
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  answers. Yes. But so the last time someone's caught a big one substantial
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  twenty five pounds are up is pretty minimal. Not happened on this It hasn't
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  happened on this island. Okay, there's there's two fish because hooy, we
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  just call all smasher releases PPEO just generically, and then the bigger GT we
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  call it lulua or a white lua, and that's a fish that used to
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  be over twenty pounds back in the seventies, and then as fishing got tougher
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  because we ate them all, it got dumbed down to being ten pounds.
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  So now if it's over ten pounds it's a double digit sureli it's considered in
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  the LA. So there's two of those that I know have been caught by
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  people I believe in. One was my friend Jesse, who used to be
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  a guy here. He had a client who could actually throw us woe waite
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  because we had a big storm come through in the dirty water like attracted him
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  in so they were seeing him. And the guy was from Florida and he
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  fish with tarpin and he's on his honeymoon, so he actually could throw its
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  wolves waite and there are packs of small ones just busting around and he threw
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  it in front and he caught one in the little teams. Another one is
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  a guy lieutenant the Marine Corps. He caught one fishing for tailing bonefish with
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  like a small bonefish fly, and there was a fish that was pushing awake,
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  and he looked it and it ended up being a small you know,
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  in that ten to twelve pound range. Also, so that's the only two
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  that I've I knew of on this island. They've caught bigger ones on flies,
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  but not on this island. Now, one more just species question.
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  Are there any kind of pompino or permit type species there? Yeah? No,
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  No. Our Our closest thing is Our closest thing is a golden char
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  valley if you know what that is, ok, okay, Yeah, So
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  those guys, you know, they get up to twenty seven pounds. They
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  tale, so they're fun, but they just make guest appearances on the flat.
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  So it's pretty sporadic as for us finding them. And if you ever
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  fish for them there, it's like playing lacamole. They and they get away
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  and they tail and they kill the other direction. And so trying to line
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  up this job as difficult. And so people call it our flats unicorn,
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  but that sounds like tarpen in the low country. Yeah, exactly. But
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  I do have one other question too, because I was talking to some guys
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  to have a shop in southern California, and even that's a couple of thousand
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  miles away. Yeah, yeah, okay, Mike, Mike, it is
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  the closest thing. Yeah, that's true. So have you integrated uh spear
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  fishing in the year Guide shop into his bone fishing? No, mean seriously
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  into the five shops. So the southern California shops have like this, uh
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  spear fishing. But these guys deep dive, not even really deep dive,
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  but they like mid dive spear around the reefs and and they're very serious about
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  it. Yeah, and I've heard, Yeah, it's huge here, but
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  I mean there's specifically shops and the guys have been doing that and strictly that,
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  and I mean they got everything for that, all different brands of guns
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  and wet suits and fins and all that stuff. It's a huge industry.
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  It's it's here for sure. Yeah, but it's a totally different things than
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  than what I'm doing. So, like, if anything, it would be
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  the stuff that kind of crosses over the guy's being, like tackles, spin
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  fishing for both fishing, must rally and stuff. So I mean they do
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  that, and I saw the tie materials people who are making flies to throw
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  on gear. But the spear fishing, like that's kind of two different customer
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  bases altogether. Okay, Okay, so do you get an often or a
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  chance for your often to get off the island and go do something else?
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  And if when you do, or if you do, what what would that
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  be? Would you like freshwater? Would you rather go to another saltwater destination?
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  Okay? So the short answers note, because when you own the shop
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  and you live in the shop and you don't get to go on vacation,
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  because that's like not just not getting paid, that means you're losing money every
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  day. Yeah, okay, so your backyard of your backyard, you're pretty
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  much stuck here. We do have freshwater fishing for peacock bass, okay,
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  reservoir here? Wait really that's cool? Wow? Yeah, they put peacock
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  bass in the reservoirs back in the fifty. There's also a large mouth and
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  bluebill in there, and like weird a choreum fish they got loose, like
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  different sicklids, and that knife fish. I don't know why they threw that
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  in there, but those things are all run rampant. Isn't there a freshwater
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  trout somewhere in Hawaii? Or am I crazy? And ki Okay, Wow,
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  that's cool. There's a fresh trout. Yeah yeah, well wait,
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  think about what I did that freshwater? There is a fresh fire drought.
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  Come on you hully bit on that. Okay, I think it happened then,
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  I don't know. No, it's fascinating. I can't imagine. I
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  mean, Hawaii has every they have, like skiing, they have everything they
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  have like mountain. Can you name another place that has well every geography,
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  the other the other thing that they have. Unfortunately, we're just gonna hit
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  this real quick. We kind of talked ahead of Tom about this show.
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  But the other thing they have right now is a forest fire on not on
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  your island and not in your backyard. But we would be remiss if we
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  talked to a person from Hawaii in today's news climate without at least bringing it
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  up. So, I know, we kind of briefly touched on this in
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  text and you kind of explained to me that it's on a different island,
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  it's not really in your backyard. However, it would be interesting to us
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  and the people listening just to have the take on like kind of what's going
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  on from somebody who's a hell of a lot closer than we are and you
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  know, so, yeah, I guess you know, whatever information you've got
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  on those fires and what's going on in regards to that and the best places.
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  Yeah, for people who want to help any anywhere that you know that's
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  safe to donate that kind of thing, we'd we'd be sure here. Yeah,
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  okay, So yeah, it's a major tragedy. There's still hundreds of
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  people that they have in the counted form that they're still searching for remains and
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  stuff that's pretty pretty rough, like the entire town of Lehin and burnt,
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  like from the hotels to the banks, the supermarket to all the people's houses,
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  everything burnt. So it's it's just devastating out there. So if people
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  do want to donate, the most direct way I feel to donate to people
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  that are doing the most good, to the actual people and not get lost
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  in a lot of red tape and stuff is There is an instagram called behindah
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  Underscore, Ohana Underscore Venmo and on that they posted pictures of different families who've
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  lost their homes or their loved ones and you can doin it directly to any
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  one of those families and that they'll actually get the money and not be sitting
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  around waiting for a FEMA check or some kind of handout, because they have
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  lots of food and supplies and stuff that they're being sent over there. The
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  hard part right now, they don't have a way to wear house it and
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  distribute it. Yeah, and so they don't need more stuff right now.
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  Actually they have too much stuff. It's just a way to get it to
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  the people and for the people themselves who lost everything, to just get some
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  money to support themselves and try to rebuild. So yeah, well, I
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  mean here in the Southeast, like I said, we don't know buyers.
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  We know hurricanes, and we know a lot of natural disasters, so unfortunately,
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  I mean we know hurricanes and tidal waves too. Yeah, I mean
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  there's been volcano stuff on the big is in, but nothing that took out
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  this many people this fast. Well, you can see lava coming a little
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  bit with some warning typically like you're not going to see yea forest fire come
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  rolling on you quick, like that's a different monster. So all right,
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  Well, I really appreciate that insight, man, I said, I know
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  you. Uh, And we're also we'll we'll we'll go back and listen to
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  that little segment again. And we'll post that that Instagram. We'll tag that
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  in the post for this episode for anybody that is interested. And you know,
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  hey, maybe one of our three listeners will donate a buck or two.
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  That'd be cool. Yeah, anything would be appreciated. Yeah, that's
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  awesome. Man. Well all right, buddy, well I know that you
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  literally. Oh wait, we got we got our guests here. We want
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  to he's got a question, Go for it, brother, I actually got
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  to get kissed that thing. Get up in there. I actually wanted I
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  actually wanted to you're there, I'm here here. I actually wanted to think
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  Nervous Waters because y'all y'all donated a great trip this year to ASF, and
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  hopefully, given what's happened over the last two weeks, three weeks, we'll
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  be able to reciprocate that to you guys, given you know all the term
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  all y'all done been through at least, but Nervous Waters has been great to
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  ASF and wanted to thank thank you and the crew there for supporting our our
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  foundation as well, and just clarify what that ASF is Atlantic Sam Federation.
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  Okay, cool, well awesome, Well, hey, hey Sean, how
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  can people get ahold of you if they want to head your way, or
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  if they're already heading your way and they want to do some fishing and plan
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  something with you. Oh so, our website is nervous waterboy dot com.
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  Instagram's nervous Waterboy phone numbers up there, I guess too. If you want
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  to call me ask me questions, but just come by the shop and you
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  pick up a couple of fives or whatever you need. If you're on your
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  way to Christmas Island. You do have stuff that's made specifically for fishing there
• 23:56
  across shops don't have that kind of stuff. So yeah, yeah, that's
• 24:03
  pretty much what's going on with me. Now, How can you guys have
• 24:07
  made your way off this way? I want to I've never been to why
• 24:11
  I'd love to come some time. Yeah, I mean I just now got
• 24:14
  to the west coast of the mainland not too long ago. Like working,
• 24:18
  I'm working my way there, but it's nothing but a few thousand miles of
• 24:22
  Pacific Ocean between. If we're being honest, Paul's on the no fly after
• 24:29
  that thing that happened last February. Look, all I got to say is
• 24:32
  you know Dubaik and get you all right, Yeah, your lass almost cut
• 24:38
  off arm nah Man. Yeah, I would love to come out of there
• 24:44
  to be one hundred percent honest, like I haven't gone to Why because I
• 24:48
  haven't gone to Wait, I don't have a reason too or not to.
• 24:51
  Heard is amazing, So I definitely want to do it. My wife will
• 24:56
  be thrilled that when we do finally make it to Hawaii. I'm I have
• 25:00
  a free trip, but nervous. I don't never recommend people come here just
• 25:03
  for fishing, okay, because the fishing is what it is. It is
• 25:07
  not Christmas Island, It is not the say shells. You know, we
• 25:10
  do have some nice fish, but it doesn't mean that they're easy to hook.
• 25:12
  But what is a great place to visit? And if you include fishing
• 25:17
  is one of your activities, I think that's a great idea. It sounds
• 25:18
  like a perfect secondary thing. Sounds like a reason a bunch of guys are
• 25:22
  gonna book Hawaii vacations and I'm gonna come out there for surfing and fishing.
• 25:26
  For sure. It's gonna be a great trip. You can surf there.
• 25:30
  No, I can't serve on a los all right, Sean, Hey man,
• 25:36
  I really appreciate you. I'm gonna let you thanks to trying to make
• 25:38
  a living. Thanks for taking the time to talk with us. Buddy,
• 25:41
  We really appreciate you. And uh we'll be in touch. Yeah sounds good.
• 25:47
  Yeah, thanks you, Thanks bud. All right, we'll get back
• 25:52
  to Uh we aren't off, so are we. No, No, we're
• 25:57
  still recording. Good, We're we're just gonna explain to everyone what just happened.
• 26:02
  Yeah, we had to hop in quick. Yeah we are going to
• 26:06
  take a breaker in a second. But yeah, normally we're you go do
• 26:08
  the bullshit and segment first, but we hopped right into the phone call because
• 26:11
  he was time sensitive. He literally had to closed the doors, put the
• 26:15
  closed for lunch sign up on the door, and he took our calls.
• 26:19
  That's what happened. So we're gonna take a break though, come right back
• 26:23
  into what you used to it. I'll start with bullshit, I'm sure,
• 26:26
  and end with bullshit and do have a little song most some one sent us
• 26:32
  first? All right, all right, here we go, All right,
• 26:36
  there we go. A mullet or a red fish fish fish fish fish fish
• 26:51
  fish fish is it a more lit or a red fish fish fish fish fish
• 27:12
  is it a mollet or red fish? fIF fisher? Is it the monet
• 27:27
  moving or fi fi fi fi fi. I can never towel, rip a
• 27:40
  chain, bullet or red fish? I can, I can. I can
• 27:48
  never towel. If it's a mullet or a redfish fish fish fish, I
• 27:55
  can. I can never towel or a mullet or is it a multary red
• 28:22
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• 28:40
  hospital after your co over thirty seven days. What happened, man, Peter,
• 28:45
  I don't really remember I was. I was pulling along the next thing,
• 28:48
  I knew the pool, the poles slipped, and I took a push
• 28:51
  pole at the side of the head and I woke up thirty seven days later.
• 28:55
  Man, I'm lucky to be alive. Oh man, I'm still glad
• 28:57
  you're out. Man, we got the Gold Cup next week? Are you
• 29:00
  pulled? Are you ready? Peter? I can't remember my own name.
• 29:03
  Most days, I can't remember a name, my spots. I don't know
• 29:06
  what I'm gonna do. Wait, what you've got amnesia? That's this week
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  kso coorp dot com. I love that will rolling stones though. Yeah,
• 29:48
  that there's a springstone. That's some monkeys will be so I'll solve for they
• 29:56
  were. So I'm drinking a very large beer tonight. Yeah you are.
• 30:03
  Actually I saw you over there at that beer shop drinking Rose's only. How
• 30:07
  would George playing? Huh uh? That's still going on. Yeah, We're
• 30:14
  gonna keep playing. We just bring it down. Even our guests are complaining
• 30:21
  about the background music. Now, Paul, what the hell's hard to take
• 30:25
  a little just you know, second ago? It's cool, y'all, y'all
• 30:30
  go? Is that still playing? Y'all? Go? All right? So
• 30:34
  we should probably explain because he didn't talk a whole lot on the last little
• 30:37
  segment there. Our buddy Harwick here is gonna sit in on this segment and
• 30:41
  hang out with us, and we're gonna talk a little bit about his fishing
• 30:44
  adventures after we get done bullshit. And h granted, the entire show's bullshit,
• 30:48
  but you know there has to be segments, right, I want to
• 30:52
  know what happened in the tarp tournament they called the lead team called seven.
• 30:56
  I know, I mean why him and his girlfriend? Yeah? Well I
• 31:00
  don't heard there. All I know is two is like, let's let's not
• 31:04
  negate that one team went two for two on fly in a three day period
• 31:08
  in Charles, South Carolina. Oh yeah, wait for two. I'm not
• 31:18
  I'm not surprised that Tucker because he puts a time in this his backyard.
• 31:22
  Yeah. But the thing is like the fact that you can say someone went
• 31:26
  two for two and a three day period in South Carolina, like that's yeah,
• 31:30
  that's it's incredible. It is incredible for those Florida ship that doesn't happen.
• 31:37
  Guys go two for five hundred in a season here, not two for
• 31:41
  two. I will say though, after after day one when we heard that
• 31:44
  dude cut seven, I don't care what you're using, bait, plastics,
• 31:47
  whatever, that's a good. That's a that's you're you're catching one an hour
• 31:49
  or you're doubled up. Yeah no, I mean does I mean that's that's
• 31:55
  that's the you know, that's the thing like the tarping game here is it's
• 31:59
  not about like skill It is a lot about skill, but it's about time.
• 32:04
  It's about how much Yeah, you know skill has well, you have
• 32:07
  to have certain skills for sure, but it's time. How much time do
• 32:10
  you have to allocate to sitting on these spots and sitting on the fish on
• 32:17
  that spot. Let's also give a shout out to the guys that we know
• 32:24
  who really there were a lot of in this tournament didn't know how to catch
• 32:30
  sharpen. Well yeah, no, I'm not. No, nobody's saying anything
• 32:32
  like that. All I'm saying is that that I'm talking to you the guys
• 32:37
  we know that are great at what they do, Like Harrison, I don't
• 32:42
  know where you are. It's about sitting on the fish, like you're not
• 32:44
  putting that time on which I don't have. I think those fish moves so
• 32:46
  much to You could do two weeks of work, find these fish and then
• 32:50
  the day of the tournament they're not going to be there. Yeah well yes,
• 32:52
  and no, you can learn they're they're obviously, you can learn their
• 32:55
  habits and a different pack of fish might follow that same habit. Oh yeah,
• 32:59
  but they're coming. We learned this through some satellite tag and I'm talking
• 33:01
  to our buddy up in Georgetown. He was talking like, you know,
• 33:05
  it was always satellite tag. Yeah, it was always assumed our fish migrated
• 33:09
  south and north like along the coast. Turns out our fish come in and
• 33:13
  out from the Gulf stream, so like they pop in, they pop out
• 33:15
  so too Paul's point. You get a push a fish that come in from
• 33:20
  the gulf, they feed to do the thing, they roll back out in
• 33:22
  deep water, and then you're waiting on another push of fish to come in.
• 33:25
  Ancient aliens, you know what I say. You know what I'd love
• 33:29
  to see if we had clear water. I would love to see, like
• 33:31
  what that movement looks like is knowing Homo sex. So there's stories of thousands
• 33:36
  of fish coming in coming out three days later the next group comes in.
• 33:40
  Oh yeah, I mean I wonder what was like here? What our fresh
• 33:45
  fish like? Like? How many is it a storm that comes in runs
• 33:49
  off and then is it thousands or some hundreds? Who? Yeah, it'd
• 33:52
  be cool. It'd be cool to know that. Dude, we have muddy
• 33:55
  water. We will never unless you get yourself I like tax shop alight,
• 34:02
  Yeah, don't go da Matthews, I win, I win. I can't
• 34:07
  do Where were we my training thoughts? We weren't. Actually we're here,
• 34:13
  all right, So this is bull honky session Hardwick. Yeah, so we've
• 34:19
  we've got Hardwick in the studio ourselves, Sir Hardwick Caldwell, and of course
• 34:24
  he is a cold Atlantic salmon kind of guy. How are we doing,
• 34:31
  guys, I'm very excited about being Do you want to put this thing down
• 34:40
  a little bit more? Okay, here, here we go. Yeah,
• 34:45
  you look comfortable, are you lazy boy that y'all gave me? Yeah,
• 34:47
  you're welcome. Wireless Mike, he said. We had a list of things.
• 34:52
  He needed, a cold Mountains Blue Corse light, he needed, a
• 34:55
  lounge chair he needed and they don't know are blue and Copenhagen. Yeah,
• 35:04
  so we made all this happen. And the spitting he's from Tennessee. So
• 35:09
  yeah, look, I'm so happy to be here, guys. Your agent
• 35:14
  was easy to deal with too, Thanks for that. So I have a
• 35:16
  whole lot of jokes and and yeah he's just feeding into one of them right
• 35:20
  now, unlike that thing. But that thing. Yeah, so you got
• 35:25
  back recently from a big tripp or a couple of big trips actually, yeah,
• 35:30
  two big trips. And uh, I just want to do a shout
• 35:34
  out to my wife. Come on, Kirby call well. I love her
• 35:37
  so much. You have a Kirby calt You've got some great alliteration for you.
• 35:47
  And uh, yeah, two trips. I did twenty days of sam
• 35:51
  fishing this year, so altogether too nuch okay actually, and yeah, the
• 35:55
  big, the big, the big kicker is that the first trip was on
• 36:00
  the fourth of July weekend, which is America's birthday. Wow, you can't
• 36:04
  you got away with that fourth of July weekend trip? Yeah, okay,
• 36:07
  good for you, barely, you know. And then the second trip.
• 36:12
  The first trip was in Norway at the Altar and the second trip was in
• 36:16
  uh Labrador. Uh, the northeast territories of Labrador called the Flowers River.
• 36:23
  Didn't most that it doesn't get burnt up? Not long ago? Uh?
• 36:28
  Yeah, no, Well, so we're that the river that I was on
• 36:30
  was the uh, the most northern scheduled salmon river in in North America.
• 36:37
  Okay, so we were a bit further north, so we could almost swim
• 36:43
  across green swim across the greenland, if I mean, we were pretty high.
• 36:46
  Yea. We took nine flights to get there. Yeah, So how
• 36:52
  does this work in sama fishing? Is it a beat system typically? And
• 36:57
  how do you reserve that system? How do you get it all planned out
• 37:00
  out? Yeah? Yeah, that's a good question. So there's I mean,
• 37:04
  you've got England, you've got Scotland, you've got the whole traditional salmon
• 37:08
  fishing beat system that that essentially, you know, you could stay on that
• 37:15
  beat for days or hours depending on sorry, come on, let it out,
• 37:22
  and I mean essentially depending on how how you're Each river has their own
• 37:30
  system, right, So a beat which you know, you could be on
• 37:37
  that beat for call it the day, that would be your beat and then
• 37:42
  it would rotate. And so sometimes at least in North American rivers, which
• 37:50
  where salmon is an endangered species, So you can't fish for Atlantic salmon in
• 37:54
  North America one, which a lot of people don't know. But you can
• 38:00
  go and fish steelhead and co hoes and schnooks and some rivers in New York
• 38:06
  and typically you could exchange beats, right, you would be on that beat
• 38:09
  for an hour. But most of the time when you're going to Scotland or
• 38:15
  England or Norway or Russia or Iceland or or Labrador or a lot of other
• 38:22
  rivers. You have that beat for the day, okay, and you fish
• 38:27
  that beat for the day and hopefully that beat is Is it randomized or you
• 38:32
  just this is your beat? Or can you plan ahead three years out?
• 38:35
  I want beat a C like A A three or whatever? I mean,
• 38:38
  how does it work? Typically not? I mean typically you are given that
• 38:43
  beat for for that time and it's all in a rotation, so you can't
• 38:50
  you can't you can't try and pick a beat. Yeah, it's kind of
• 38:53
  like elk hunting and getting a tag sort of. I mean is it a
• 38:58
  little bit? Yeah, you could get it. You could get it one
• 39:00
  year and then next year you couldn't get it, or you could get an
• 39:02
  area okay, yeah, I mean it's all dependent on how the rotation's working.
• 39:08
  Okay. Yeah. So I got a question, so like how does
• 39:13
  the tweed happen? Is it like when you get there, do they give
• 39:15
  it to you or do you like buy it before you go? And and
• 39:20
  question you know, I mean, like I just I just like is it
• 39:22
  like all of a sudden you're in the river and you like you miss one
• 39:25
  right, like so you come tightening he jumps off, and the next thing,
• 39:28
  you got wax in your mustache and you're not sure what happened, Like,
• 39:30
  how does it? Yeah, I'm obviously walking with you speaking with waxing.
• 39:38
  Yeah, yeah, you can wax everything. Don't be jealous. No,
• 39:44
  you are jealous about mustache. You can tell he's working on I mean
• 39:47
  he's getting I'm not allowed to jealous studio. You can't because it's not like
• 39:55
  the company knows. I'm yeah, this is not getting lost of translation.
• 39:59
  I'm looking at the man in the face. I'm just asking no, no,
• 40:01
  no, no, he wants answer. No, he's gonna he's gonna
• 40:06
  answer it. Okay, No. Sadly, the tweet is struggled, so
• 40:09
  you know, not to be morbid, but they're still people. They're dying.
• 40:15
  They're all dying, but you tweets dying what you're doing. So yeah,
• 40:22
  absolutely, I mean salmon have struggled massively and the tweets still. People
• 40:28
  pay tons of money to go and fish the tweet and you'll go and like,
• 40:31
  you know, there's this thing called there's a river called the tweet I
• 40:35
  was talking about. But yeah, I was talking about say that, ye
• 40:42
  say whatever you want. I just sucked with he just I was I was
• 40:46
  talking about like when you get there, do they hand you a tweet jacket?
• 40:50
  We might have our first across the table arm wrestle. Yeah, you
• 40:54
  might need one. But the Tweet River is the famous river Scotland and essentially,
• 41:02
  you know, there's so many salmon used to go through there, but
• 41:06
  now they just don't anymore. And people still pay so much money to just
• 41:12
  to say they fish it or just to go out there and they're there.
• 41:16
  They just over years and years of evolution, you know, eventually Sam gets
• 41:22
  smarter and smarter and smart and you don't get as many as you do.
• 41:27
  But I mean, Pete, there's this thing called the McNab and the McNab
• 41:31
  is you shoot a shoot a stag, you you shoot a you shoot a
• 41:37
  pheasant or grouse, and you catch a salmon in the same day, the
• 41:40
  same day. And the royal McNab is when you actually you fucked the chef
• 41:45
  that night as well. Wow, that's amazing, And but royal McNab that's
• 41:53
  the most British royalty thing I've ever heard. But the hardest part about that
• 41:59
  it's catching this damon. Yeah. Yeah, chefs in Scotland classically easy to
• 42:06
  get laid by. Now technically I am almost one hundred percent Scottish, So
• 42:14
  I'm gonna I'm gonna take Umbridge. You're going for the Royal, I'm taking.
• 42:19
  I'm white trash Scotch Iris from North Carolina. Bro like they kicking me
• 42:22
  out. But but actually Hardwook is making a really good point. Some of
• 42:28
  these rivers are getting overfished because of vanity. No I think I think I
• 42:32
  get another fish. I think that's deep point he's making. No, I'm
• 42:37
  not. I'm not making that point. Then well then fuck that. I'm
• 42:43
  taking my eight weight down to the tweed. Yeah. So Atlantic salmon fishing
• 42:51
  and that the whole thing of it seems very nichey, kind of like fly
• 42:54
  fishing. It almost seems like the Atlantic salmon part of the niche is kind
• 42:59
  of like what fly was seventy years ago, just kind of a gentleman's club.
• 43:02
  It was kind of a hard to get into thing. Well, I
• 43:06
  mean, even fly fishing was at the forty years ago. Yeah, it
• 43:08
  was an old man's game. I instantly kind of think of hostly, kind
• 43:14
  of think of Atlantic sama fishing kind of an old man's game. But here
• 43:17
  you are. How did you get into this? Because it's the whole thing
• 43:21
  is just kind of bewilders me. I don't understand how you would get into
• 43:24
  this in such a a great way like you have. You know, yeah,
• 43:29
  I mean, to be honest, it's a lot of it's luck,
• 43:32
  you know, a lot of it like passion. So I grow up trout
• 43:36
  fishing my whole life, and you know, was you know, spend a
• 43:40
  lot of time and trout waters. My sister was the guide in Silver Creek.
• 43:45
  Dad was a big fisherman. And you know, frankly, you get
• 43:51
  kind of subdued in different types of fishing, and then over time you begin
• 43:57
  to span your borders, right, so you you you try and figure out
• 44:01
  what more is out there, new challenges, new challenges, and and I
• 44:07
  got lucky to go and fish some amazing Atlantic salmon rivers and you're immediately hooked,
• 44:15
  you know, because when you fish for trout, you you look a
• 44:21
  lot of Atlantic salmon fishing just luck. Yeah, you know, I mean
• 44:25
  a lot of fishing is luck. Yeah, sure, anywhere you know,
• 44:30
  but you immediately become obsessed. You know, it's it's it's it's if you're
• 44:38
  a true and I hate to say this word, but if you're like a
• 44:40
  true is In angler, which I am, which doesn't really it for me.
• 44:45
  It's more of just being on the water and losing everything, right Like
• 44:52
  you you you don't think about anything, right, but when you trout fish,
• 44:55
  or you tarban fish, or you permit fish, which redfish, or
• 44:59
  a lot of guys you talk to, you're kind of constantly like you know,
• 45:04
  casting to the weeds or you see something rise or and that takes up
• 45:08
  your your relaxation, right your zin right with With Atlantic samba fishing, it's
• 45:15
  a fish of a thousand casts. Like you're you're you're you're double spaying,
• 45:21
  and you're working your way down a beat and you don't think about anything but
• 45:25
  swinging the fly and hopefully you get lucky enough to catch a fish because the
• 45:30
  fish don't even want your fly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We we
• 45:37
  we don't even know why they want it, you know. So it's it's
• 45:42
  just a different type of fishing, and it's it's more for the person who
• 45:47
  wants to kind of lose themselves in space and just be completely won with you
• 45:55
  know, the their surroundings. Yea cool, Yeah, look at you just
• 46:01
  a poet was beautiful. Yeah, I've definitely gotten real. I mean,
• 46:08
  look a leg standard fishing will ruin relationships and break parts as well. Yeah,
• 46:15
  but I thought that was beautiful. Yeah that's good because it definitely put
• 46:19
  me want to take a break now, No, we're done. I don't
• 46:22
  want to take a break, because that's why we all fish. Yeah,
• 46:27
  I mean he was in a moment right there and yeah, yeah, he
• 46:30
  described it perfectly, and that's exactly why we all fish. Yeah. It's
• 46:35
  funny how everyone takes their own punishment, like there's certain type of punishment,
• 46:38
  but we find beauty in that punishment. Like I'm that way with pretty much
• 46:44
  anything, because I don't catch a lot of fish, but permit fishing is
• 46:45
  my punishment that I love. And if I don't catch a fish all week,
• 46:51
  I enjoyed it. I took the punishment of that, but I go
• 46:52
  home still somewhat happy. Whereas like I don't do all with permit because I
• 46:57
  take it fucking personal. And like I did, like I've done one week
• 47:01
  a permit in my life and it was permit fishing. It was just classic
• 47:05
  permit fishing. I had good shots, I had fish refused me to do
• 47:07
  all the things and all this stuff. And I literally got angry at the
• 47:10
  fish, at myself, at God. I just hated everything about everybody.
• 47:15
  And I drove my ass back north. I haven't gone back perfect, but
• 47:17
  that's what I want, I mean, honestly for me, Like it was
• 47:20
  too much for me, Paul. Atlantic salmon is a mystery. Yeah,
• 47:24
  Like I want to know about it. So wait, I have to ask,
• 47:28
  what was the first one you ever caught? Yeah, so the first
• 47:31
  Atlantic salmon ever caught. I was eighteen and nineteen, and I had skipped
• 47:38
  school. I actually took two weeks off of school and my my my dad
• 47:45
  had made this elaborate scheme that I was going to see a bunch of ambassadors
• 47:50
  at another country. And uh, and we didn't tell my mother as well.
• 47:55
  And and and actually when I started the ship at eighteen or I got
• 48:00
  a I got a D minus in that class. And uh and and I
• 48:07
  caught a fish. It was fifteen pounds. But when you get the tug
• 48:14
  on the it's just I can't even describe the tug. I can't even describe
• 48:19
  the tug on the on this. But the difference between Atlantic salmon fishing and
• 48:27
  trout fishing or tarpin or reds or what have you. Is you don't go
• 48:34
  up necessarily sometimes to the river and read the water, right. You're always
• 48:37
  kind of reading the water and the wind and the eddies and the ripples.
• 48:44
  Like here, it's you're just you're there, right, and you're you're doing
• 48:50
  the best you can to put the line out and hopefully get lucky and catch
• 48:55
  one. I mean, I had a buddy that threw up over the side
• 48:58
  of the boat once because he dranks so much vok of the night before,
• 49:01
  and he put his line down and a salminated immediately and he was the worst
• 49:07
  gaster at ever seen my eye me here. So these places you went to?
• 49:16
  Was it Sweden or Norway? I forget I was in Norway and in
• 49:21
  July and then and and uh in August, I was in the Flowers or
• 49:25
  had you been to either of these before or these new new spots. I've
• 49:29
  been the Altar once before. I was in uh Labrador for the first time.
• 49:37
  Now do you uh, do you get a trip a year or is
• 49:40
  it every other year? Are you able to do anything like this quite frequently
• 49:45
  or is this kind of a big thing? This was a big year.
• 49:47
  Okay, thanks to my wife. Okay, I mean this is a big
• 49:51
  year. I mean I typically do the Alta every other year because it's on
• 49:55
  the fourth of July. But Labrador, uh to the Flowers, which was
• 50:01
  a completely different type of fishing. It was all dry fly on Atlantic salmon
• 50:06
  and uh that's wild. You can only do it at this place. That
• 50:10
  means, I mean that that must be amazing to see a salmon take a
• 50:15
  dry fly. Did you always use a spay rod or did you start?
• 50:20
  Yeah? Yeah, you all. I mean you're you're launching fourteen and a
• 50:23
  half fifteen foot rod, you know, swinging those things and here it was
• 50:32
  you know, switch rods and uh, single hand rods. So even that
• 50:37
  far away across the river, when you land that cast, that reach cast,
• 50:43
  whatever you want to call it, I know you're keeping that fly double
• 50:45
  d snap. But wait, I'm sorry, Paul, what did you double
• 50:51
  D snap? Teacher? So when you land at that that fight, are
• 50:59
  you trying land defly ahead of the fil You said you had a lot of
• 51:04
  ds it there, No, but are you landing it ahead of the file?
• 51:12
  Generally speaking, the fly goes further than the fly on doug I don't
• 51:15
  know what topic. Okay, so you want the fly ahead of the file.
• 51:19
  You know what I'm saying, in the drift on this particular river,
• 51:22
  it depends, Okay, okay, but you know I'm smack. Yeah,
• 51:31
  yeah, you can fish for him anyway. Like I caught salmon on bomber,
• 51:37
  which was cool. What's that the first time I ever a bomber is
• 51:39
  a huge drive fly? So you mentioned stimulator, dear hair body, I
• 51:45
  thing. I mean, it is ten times bigger than any fly you've ever
• 51:49
  seen. I mean it's it's like a mouse pattern, but it's you know,
• 51:52
  it's huge. It's a it's a type of bug that they put out
• 51:58
  there. So when did you learn how to dude? Spake casting? Uh
• 52:04
  so, so spake acid is actually not that hard. Oh it looks hard
• 52:09
  to me. Glorified rolls. I don't wait, did you really just call
• 52:15
  it glorified? Okay, hard work. I'd love to hear what you had
• 52:20
  say. So once you get into space casting as a single handed raw guy,
• 52:24
  which my clearly is, I've done some two handwork. Just to be
• 52:29
  clear, screw make s Okay. G Limus was building two handed and I
• 52:40
  had to I had to do some test work on those things. Don't don't
• 52:44
  don't cut me short. I know a little bit about put a little loose.
• 52:46
  I honestly, do you want to hear about this? Well, I
• 52:49
  guess what I'm saying is that once, if you have a single handed cast,
• 52:52
  it's really good. Yeah, you understand how to get roll casts and
• 52:55
  rhythm, the leverage. Well, the mechanics of a cast are all motion
• 53:00
  stops and points of Yeah, and you can trick it out. You can.
• 53:06
  You know, you can do snap tas, you can do double rolls.
• 53:09
  You could do kind of anything you want. I don't know. Ston
• 53:14
  has no chance. I'm not now playing space casting as being an art form.
• 53:19
  Like obviously I couldn't just go out there and do what he does.
• 53:22
  Absolutely no, you couldn't. But I think I'd figured out pretty quick if
• 53:27
  you have a good cast, I think you could. So along those lines,
• 53:30
  when when you're eighteen school, did you go out there knowing a space
• 53:32
  cast or did you just learn as you went the first time, I had
• 53:36
  no idea. Yeah, and it and like I said, it comes pretty
• 53:39
  naturally. Did you take a spay rod or just your single handed rod and
• 53:43
  they taught you how to do nothing, they had a space. Okay,
• 53:46
  did you know that was going to be the case? Yeah? Like were
• 53:49
  you waiting for that or you're like, oh hell, I'm just kind of
• 53:52
  gave it a shot in a pond Okay, now gotcha? Yeah? Well,
• 53:58
  how successful you were the first time you went out there? He caught
• 54:02
  a fish? Yeah? I mean again, like I said, a lot
• 54:07
  of its luck, you know, but you're you're swinging the ideas that swing
• 54:12
  have a good drift, right, so you're you know, you're constantly in
• 54:16
  other words, you want to fly before the fly line. I think the
• 54:20
  biggest, the biggest contrast I've a lot of times, for me, a
• 54:23
  lot of the biggest difference I see between saltwater fishing and freshwater fishing in skill
• 54:29
  set. Saltwater fishing demands a much higher skill set and casting and accuracy and
• 54:35
  things like that. However, the thing that saltwater guys never have to think
• 54:38
  about is drift, Like, how is your fly going to if if the
• 54:44
  fish? If the fish is at point A on the river, but your
• 54:46
  cast and at point B and the current needs to take it to point A,
• 54:52
  how do you get your fly from point B to point A in a
• 54:54
  manner that that fish is gonna want to eat it. That requires a certain
• 54:59
  tact and skill and ability that you only learned from a lot of time on
• 55:02
  the fucking water learning how to win to put that mend in the line.
• 55:07
  But do you need to reach cast? But do these fish react to drag
• 55:08
  or do they want it? Still? I don't know, He's I don't
• 55:12
  know, actually drag, Yeah, it depends. So you're trying to I
• 55:15
  mean, you're using all different types of weighted line, so depending on the
• 55:20
  meters. I mean, you get your little scatchet wallet, you got it
• 55:23
  all a little purse set. You know more about this than we know a
• 55:30
  little bit. Everybody knows a little about sage playing. Like let's say,
• 55:36
  I want to hear the answer. Well, I said, scatchet wallet,
• 55:39
  scadget. It's a dug trigger and your scottishmen, you your Icelandic man Hardwick.
• 55:54
  Sorry, I knew it would trigger dug and I've said it anyway,
• 56:01
  Okay, I don't remember what the question was now. It's just a combination
• 56:07
  of figuring out the right water depth. Right, so you're always if you're
• 56:13
  permit fishing, you're trying I mean, I don't know, not a great
• 56:15
  permit fisher, but if you're perfect fishing. Tarp is a good analogy for
• 56:20
  this because the like, even though you're looking at tarpen and shallow water,
• 56:22
  it's a three dimensional game, right like where is that tarp? And ride
• 56:25
  in the water column? How where does where does my fly need to be
• 56:29
  able for him to see it and want it or whatever? Yeah, so
• 56:31
  you you try out different lines that sink and so it's the same concept with
• 56:37
  salmon fishing. So you're always trying to you know, you're always trying new
• 56:40
  different and you're in it for the day long quest and you literally might not
• 56:47
  find out what line it is until four fifteen in the afternoon because of it's
• 56:53
  the fish of thousand casts. You're doing different depths as you walk down the
• 56:58
  river and it you're literally just chipping way all day long to find out what
• 57:00
  the key component is. Finally getting a stride. Well, actually the alto
• 57:07
  where I am. Uh, you fish from eight pm till four am,
• 57:10
  so it's the least amount of light on the fish's back. That's awesome,
• 57:15
  so it'll totally kind of screw with your So this is the last so it's
• 57:21
  the same similar but it's a similar lights scenario. If you go to Alaska,
• 57:24
  the sun's kind of at the horizon line throughout the night, kind of
• 57:29
  a thing. I don't I don't know anyway, that's crazy though. Yeah,
• 57:34
  so you're so you're you're your your your schedule is completely wild. You
• 57:37
  know, you fish from eight pm to four am. And because like I
• 57:42
  said, it's the least amount of fish on the lights back so that they
• 57:45
  can see the fly as it's going over them. Do you ever see him
• 57:50
  rising? So yeah, you'll see on porpoise a bit. But and when
• 57:55
  I was in Labrador, you can actually see them shine and rub their bodies
• 58:00
  on the water. If the water is clear, you could take that's that's
• 58:05
  it. So you can mike and scrub myself on the river. It's good
• 58:13
  hygiene. Yeah, no, that's that's actually really really cool hygiene hygiene.
• 58:17
  How you doing gene And the water's typically really fast, like it's it's dangerous
• 58:22
  water to wade, right, not so much that I heard, not so
• 58:30
  much in Norway because you fish out of canoes. But in in Labrador,
• 58:34
  yeah, you could get taken out. I mean it's you know, you
• 58:38
  have to be you know, conscientious of you know, as your fish goes
• 58:44
  down. Yeah, but I never bothers me. Damn. Yeah. Well
• 58:50
  you'll want to take a break and come back and do part two? Yeah,
• 58:53
  I really do. I want to hear more about this. Can we
• 58:55
  post some pictures of hard works fish on area something else? Yeah? You
• 59:05
  think i'd love that? I love that. Yeah. Okay, all right,
• 59:09
  you'll ready for the next song. And someone said, of course,
• 59:14
  okay, we're gonna come and we're gonna come back to part two. We're
• 59:16
  not done yet. Yeah, okay, here we go reached pass. Hi.
• 59:24
  I'm Trey, and I'll be your fishing guy today. Oh so you
• 59:34
  trouped just a bunch. That's cool. So you're bringing all six of your
• 59:45
  rods. Okay, by the way, that vest is really cool. One
• 59:58
  o'clock five fit fit fish at one o'clock. Other one. Seriously, you
• 1:00:07
  can't see them. Number, seriously, can't see them. It's about one
• 1:00:15
  hundred and fiften one. It's about undred fifty and one one one one one
• 1:00:20
  one one no more or left, no more, right, no more left,
• 1:00:23
  left, left left level no more or left, no more or left
• 1:00:31
  right, right right right for the river right right right left now left no,
• 1:00:37
  stop, just stop. So now you're saying you've never catch sup fly
• 1:00:43
  Rod rod rock before. No, I didn't bring one. No I didn't
• 1:00:52
  bring you here. No I did bring l l l luck luck lun luck
• 1:00:57
  un un more left more or left right, right, more left, right,
• 1:01:00
  right, more left right, lap, lap left, right, a
• 1:01:05
  little further, a little further more lap lap left, laft right more left,
• 1:01:09
  lap right right laugh It was okay, calf I guess yes, I
• 1:01:19
  do accept tips. Yeah, man, see you next year. Hey,
• 1:01:31
  what's eating? Cowboy Dick? Hey, buckaroos. There's nothing like a little
• 1:01:37
  cowboy dick scream. I want something, I've got a craven Yeah, well,
• 1:01:42
  how about some cowboy dick. All the cow girls love my cowboy Dick,
• 1:01:47
  and I should know, because I'm cowboy Dick. I like my cowboy
• 1:01:52
  Dick with some nuts. No problem, partner introducing cowboy Dick. We're not
• 1:01:58
  so big you can hardly regularly grown my young uns loved cowboy Dicky. I'm
• 1:02:04
  fill your popse with my cowboy Dick. Oh cowboy Dick, hear try it?
• 1:02:10
  How is it? I can't talk. My mouth is full of cowboy
• 1:02:15
  deckingsmiling filling your mouth with my cowboy dick available in your roach re freezer.
• 1:02:22
  Who won't you had your first cowboy dick? You won't ever go back.
• 1:02:30
  He's got He's not gonna refer to show to anyone. Now, I was
• 1:02:36
  gonna let you so well. Look now that your kids are not listening longer,
• 1:02:45
  Curb, you won't probably either. I'm so sorry Hardred who he wasn't
• 1:02:50
  gonna send it to like everyone in the Atlantic Salmon Federation should he should?
• 1:02:54
  We're real, we're real people. It's gonna get around. It's just it's
• 1:03:00
  just ice cream. If I were you, I always get out ahead of
• 1:03:02
  it because it's gonna get out there. What's a cowboy named Richard? It's
• 1:03:06
  not a big deal. Let's say a house of cards, get down in
• 1:03:08
  front of it. Yeah, if you do that, they're still hanging out.
• 1:03:13
  And those of you just tuned in after our ice cream commercial. Uh,
• 1:03:19
  we're here with Harvard call well, uh talking about Atlantic salmon. Now.
• 1:03:22
  I've made fun of you with your your mustache and also your tweet.
• 1:03:28
  But to be more serious, which we're not good at, we do want
• 1:03:32
  to talk about Atlantic salmon because you represent a foundation that's trying to protect those
• 1:03:37
  fish. You work with a fundraising organization, tell us about atlantic salmon,
• 1:03:43
  some of the challenges they're facing, some of the reasons that a red fisherman,
• 1:03:47
  tarpa fisherman, slash whatever, the fisherman like myself should give a shit
• 1:03:52
  about atlantic salmon. For Yeah, let's let's talk about that. Let's let's
• 1:03:54
  talk about something that actually means something. How about that? Well, first
• 1:03:58
  off, I'm wondering where Alberto is. His name Alberta, m Bert Berta.
• 1:04:04
  So Mike has solved the problem rope lay. He's probably hanging out with
• 1:04:09
  Richard Caso. Well, case is out back. You'll meet Richard. He's
• 1:04:15
  got some kill off king. Wait was it? Powder, couldn't call?
• 1:04:23
  What's he doing with that? You'll find out what he does everything with that.
• 1:04:27
  So to answer your question, Mike, I mean the big issue with
• 1:04:30
  atlantic salmon is a number of things. I mean, essentially, which I
• 1:04:34
  didn't touch on, is that when you do catch one of these fish,
• 1:04:40
  you hold them like your baby. I mean, essentially, these fish have
• 1:04:45
  traveled thousands of miles and you have hooked them on their way to somewhere they're
• 1:04:53
  going and to to to unto not hold them with care and capacity and in
• 1:05:04
  affection and love. Is it's just right something like that off? And so
• 1:05:13
  a trout, what does a trout do? What does the permit do?
• 1:05:15
  What does the tarban do? They have their small migration patterns. They you
• 1:05:19
  know, bonefish, they they they settle. I mean these fish literally go
• 1:05:25
  from northern Canada to Iceland and back like three or four different times a year,
• 1:05:31
  you know, I mean, this is you know, these are some
• 1:05:34
  of the most spectacular creatures you've ever seen in your life. With that in
• 1:05:40
  mind, so how many times will they produce reproduce compared to like obviously like
• 1:05:44
  Pacific salmon die. These fish, how long did they live? What's an
• 1:05:48
  average lifespan? I mean you could I mean, I mean, I don't,
• 1:05:54
  I mean you could. You could have a salmon that's ten fifteen years
• 1:05:58
  old, maybe older, I mean, I mean, and they may have
• 1:06:00
  produced reproduced three different times exactly. I mean it's typically maybe three every other
• 1:06:05
  every three years they make that. But the yeah, the issue is to
• 1:06:13
  get scientific real quick and not to bore everybody, is that we atlantic salmon
• 1:06:20
  or Atlantic salmon, You've got all the crosstalk. Essentially, Atlantic salmon are
• 1:06:33
  endangered in the US, right because we did something wrong. Right, we
• 1:06:38
  have shut off all of their capacity to run up rivers in the US.
• 1:06:44
  And there's one river called the panom Scott and Maine which we have finally taken
• 1:06:48
  down four or five dams, uh and more, which took a whole lot
• 1:06:57
  of money, a whole lot of help, and we finally got salmon coming
• 1:07:00
  back in their fry and and grills. Grills are you know, small salmon
• 1:07:08
  as a fry and the capacity to which you give like a fish like this
• 1:07:18
  passion. It's tough because so many people don't know about them, right,
• 1:07:24
  I mean, you talk to people who go in redfish. They're out here
• 1:07:28
  every day. They're red fishing, they're tarp and fishing, they're sail fishing.
• 1:07:31
  Like it's so easy. They're they're so abundant, right, Like,
• 1:07:35
  you can't talk to a South Carolina guy about salmon fishing. And when you
• 1:07:43
  actually experience this, you know, motion of cashing one, it's you know,
• 1:07:51
  it's life changing, it's life changing. It conquers everything. Yeah,
• 1:07:57
  I've heard that from numerous people to say is life changing. When they encounter
• 1:08:01
  at length salmon on the fight, they're like is life changing? All right?
• 1:08:06
  I want to stay scientific because I'm I'm a weirdo like that. So
• 1:08:11
  I know, you know, we talked about Pacific salmon. How they they
• 1:08:14
  they expire once they breed once, right, and we know still head don't
• 1:08:16
  do that. Atlantics don't do that. Do Atlantic salmon return to their birth
• 1:08:23
  streams like like your their Pacific cousins or are they more opportunistic when they sense
• 1:08:30
  waterflow or whatever that's going to be conducive, So like, how does that
• 1:08:32
  work for them? So that's a great question, Mike, it's you,
• 1:08:35
  it's your it's your best question of the night. So so the issue is
• 1:08:41
  is that, yes, they do do that. But what we've encountered is
• 1:08:47
  a thing called netpinning. So netpinning is a form of saying it's it's what
• 1:08:58
  you eat all your salmon. It's it's farmed salmon, essentially farmed salmon,
• 1:09:01
  but with open netpinning, right, And so the issue with that is that
• 1:09:05
  so many open netpin salmon escape and what they do is they go and breed
• 1:09:11
  with other Atlantic salmon. And so what that does is it dumbs down the
• 1:09:15
  geno of other Atlantic salmon when they're making their turn right, they don't have
• 1:09:20
  a river to return to because their ancestor didn't right well or is that I
• 1:09:26
  mean to some degree. Right, Essentially, what they're doing is is you
• 1:09:30
  have farmed salmon mating with wild salmon, and then vitually what they what they
• 1:09:36
  breed is a dumbed down geno. Right, It's like with any if you
• 1:09:42
  d it's a hybrid. And so eventually what that makes is it's very difficult
• 1:09:45
  for them to find their way home because they're not completely wild, and so
• 1:09:50
  they don't know yeah yeah, and so year after year you find these issues.
• 1:09:57
  And so our issue is that if that happens more, then you're just
• 1:10:02
  gonna have tons of dumb you know, dumb down genos and they're not gonna
• 1:10:08
  be able to find their way home. So I mean the long and short
• 1:10:11
  of it. And like, and I've heard this from a lot of different
• 1:10:13
  fisheries and meat production in general. Let's talk about like when you talk about
• 1:10:17
  cattle or whatever, like, at some point it just comes down to if
• 1:10:23
  you're gonna buy salmon at a grocery store, right, like you're gonna go
• 1:10:26
  and you want Atlantic salmon for whatever, to buy a wild caught which seems
• 1:10:33
  worse on the surface because you're thinking I'm taking wild fish, but I don't
• 1:10:39
  know. This is my take on it. My take is that like,
• 1:10:42
  if we all were forced to pay a really high price for only wild salmon
• 1:10:45
  that are highly regulated by government agencies and people that care about those fisheries and
• 1:10:50
  nobody's farming net pin salmon or nobody's farming farm salmon on land, they are
• 1:10:54
  gonna escape or dump toxins into the river, et cetera, et cetera,
• 1:10:58
  et cetera. Is that better in your opinion? As an Atlantic salmon guy,
• 1:11:01
  would you prefer to see it strictly wild salmon fishery regulated of course,
• 1:11:08
  to harvests appropriate and make all of us pay fifty dollars pound or whatever the
• 1:11:13
  number works out too whenever you cut it down to that kind of supply.
• 1:11:16
  Is that better in your opinion? I think for me personally, I don't
• 1:11:21
  like salmon that much, so I'm but like the thing is, like,
• 1:11:26
  that's goods. There are people out there that are gonna say, well fuck
• 1:11:30
  that. I like, you know, I like to eat salmon, you
• 1:11:31
  know, but like I think it is likely don't sad like that. But
• 1:11:38
  what's the what's in your opinion, the best play there When we're talking about
• 1:11:44
  commercial production of fish, which obviously impacts the wildfish. Even if it's even
• 1:11:48
  if you're buying the farmed fish, you're still impacting the wildfish, as you
• 1:11:51
  just explained. So and you're in you're a perfect world that doesn't include nobody
• 1:11:56
  eating salmon. How does that play out? So we figure that out to
• 1:12:00
  some degree, I mean, you create land based salmon falls better. So
• 1:12:06
  it's not necessarily that I like land based better. It's just more of a
• 1:12:12
  concept because it's we're trying to figure out ways because we've done My wife and
• 1:12:18
  I went to Greenland and I was there. I met with the Greenland Fishery
• 1:12:25
  Ministry of of Greenland and finishing finishing fishers and so you know, we looked
• 1:12:39
  at them. We talked to them about how many tonnage they could take every
• 1:12:43
  year, right, because when the salmon do their loop, they do it
• 1:12:45
  right at the bottom of Greenland, and you can't you can't really can't do
• 1:12:53
  that, right. I mean, so many people's lifestyles and and just the
• 1:13:02
  way that they live is based on you know, salmon, right, I
• 1:13:10
  mean, it's based on like the catch. So, I mean my view
• 1:13:13
  is always just make sure when you go to a restaurant like ask actually if
• 1:13:20
  Sam does it? If you were at a restaurant downtown that I've never eaten
• 1:13:26
  salmon, okay, you would. But if I were. If I were
• 1:13:29
  there and I said, hey, the Atlantic Salmon special, where was that
• 1:13:31
  salmon called? What? What answer would which answer would tell me to say
• 1:13:36
  no? Like? What what answer would I say no to you? I
• 1:13:40
  think that a lot of people wouldn't even know, right, I mean I
• 1:13:43
  think most of the most of the your waiter wouldn't know. Though, Oh
• 1:13:46
  yeah, I just I think that it's so much of the scary thing is
• 1:13:53
  that we don't know what's going on in the ocean. Right. The scary
• 1:13:56
  thing is that what's happening is that salmon or move moving further and further north
• 1:14:01
  each year. And like in Rusta, Gooch River, in the Gas Bay
• 1:14:08
  and all these other places, you could go like seventeen days, ten days,
• 1:14:12
  five days without catching one fish, right, And the further north you
• 1:14:16
  go in Canada you can catch fish still, right, because the fish aren't
• 1:14:23
  They're not there anymore, like the faggers. A good point because This relates
• 1:14:29
  to snapper, This relates to all of the fish that we think of as
• 1:14:33
  so like recognizable, like they're all moving, they're all gravitating, they're all
• 1:14:40
  moving, and salmonar and so are like snapper. And so the reaction that
• 1:14:44
  we have in our fisheries and our departments that are responsible for the sustainability of
• 1:14:51
  these fisheries, their reaction is to just stop and and say, okay,
• 1:14:58
  you can only catch this much. Well, it's not educated because these these
• 1:15:02
  fishes are actually their migrations moving, and it's an easy answer to say,
• 1:15:11
  Okay, you used to catch four, I you can catch one. Yeah,
• 1:15:15
  sometimes solving anything. And I think it relates to what he is said.
• 1:15:20
  It relates what Hardwook is saying. Because the climate is obviously gonna change.
• 1:15:28
  It always is cyclical. Yeah, yeah, for sure, So these
• 1:15:31
  these these migrating fisheries are gonna change well right now though, like I think
• 1:15:36
  for sure. I think the thing to think about though, like right now,
• 1:15:40
  regardless of where you stand on global warming, whether it's cyclical or not,
• 1:15:44
  the fact of the matter is shit's getting hotter and it's moving, as
• 1:15:46
  we're talking about for reasons. But here's our deal. My thing, my
• 1:15:53
  only thing, The only thing I ever fucking focus on is what can I
• 1:15:56
  do as an individual on a day to day basis, which is very small
• 1:15:59
  and significant in the grand scheme of any major picture of anything, salmon or
• 1:16:03
  otherwise. But I like to think on a day to day basis that if
• 1:16:09
  I can live within a sort of certain code, if you will, like
• 1:16:13
  that, at least I can live on myself on that day. So that's
• 1:16:15
  why I was asking questions like if I'm at a restaurant, okay, but
• 1:16:18
  you know, so going back to the Atlantic salmon and going back to Hardwick,
• 1:16:23
  Like, what I want to know is this is obviously a fish that
• 1:16:28
  everybody wants to catch. If you're a five insherman, if you're a sport
• 1:16:32
  fisherman like you want to catch this fish. The geography gets tougher and tougher,
• 1:16:39
  So where does this go from here? And That's what I'm wondering,
• 1:16:42
  And what can like every like all of us do to support this h Yeah,
• 1:16:54
  well, look, you guys in South Carolina can't do shit. I
• 1:17:00
  mean, y'all really don't give a fuck, to be honest. Yeah,
• 1:17:05
  look, my my my biggest fear is that I don't have my granddaughter or
• 1:17:12
  daughter able to catch one of these things. I mean, it's literally that
• 1:17:15
  bad. I mean the amount of salmon that are moving further and further north
• 1:17:20
  every year, and what I mean by that, And I tell me to
• 1:17:25
  make your shit morbid. No, No, it's okay, Yeah, no,
• 1:17:28
  it's it's part of the deal. This show died years ago. Yeah,
• 1:17:33
  holy shit, man, we're barely hanging in there. But it's it's
• 1:17:42
  anybody that's listening. The most important thing about Atlantic salmon is that they are
• 1:17:49
  the most strongest creatures that have ever left. I mean, they are they
• 1:17:56
  and that's why we have problems. First nation, which is like the tribes
• 1:18:00
  in Canada. It's like they net pin and they don't understand the fact that
• 1:18:04
  if you don't, if you don't let them come back and and and lay
• 1:18:11
  eggs and reciprocate. No, it ends. And so so do you think
• 1:18:16
  over the time it's been more of a temperature thing or has it been more
• 1:18:19
  of a pressure thing. It's more a pressure thing. It's not temperature.
• 1:18:24
  It's it frankly is if you I mean, yeah, it's so easy to
• 1:18:30
  say that it's not a temperature thing. I mean, look, temperatures are
• 1:18:32
  rising, sure, but it's the amount of salmon that people are eating.
• 1:18:36
  I mean COVID didn't help. I mean, well another comparison to their house.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, everybody became a chef all of a sudden. Have you tried
• 1:18:47
  my lemon salmon? Yeah? Sure. Another to that point, like even
• 1:18:55
  tarpen or harder catch, they're there, they're just harder to catch, but
• 1:18:58
  nobody eat. But then if you hear, if you hear the stories about
• 1:19:00
  like the guys like are just as an analogy to prove your point of pressure.
• 1:19:05
  The stories from Rob and our friends that were trapped in the keys during
• 1:19:10
  COVID, right because they lived there, and the government put a blockade at
• 1:19:15
  on A one A in Florida City. You could not go into the keys
• 1:19:17
  unless you were a property owner or you lived in the keys. Nobody else
• 1:19:20
  came up and down one A, no visitors, no friends, a visitors,
• 1:19:25
  like. It was a literal police blockade with guns, and they blocked
• 1:19:29
  it for COVID because there's no hospitals to ship down there. People get sick
• 1:19:30
  down there and they die down there. So while they were there, it
• 1:19:35
  was tarpan season and it was lockdown for two fucking years during tarp and season,
• 1:19:40
  and it was nothing but the locals living there, and the gods couldn't
• 1:19:43
  work, which is sad, you know, money wise, but they got
• 1:19:45
  to go out. And Rob was like, man, he goes, you
• 1:19:48
  would not even believe if I told you this ship like he was talking about
• 1:19:54
  they started calling meat wads of fish, like just thousands of fish just rolling
• 1:19:59
  down the front side ocean eating it, you know, eating like because they
• 1:20:02
  weren't getting hammered by fly guys. The entirety of the length of the keys.
• 1:20:08
  He's like, it was the most amazing fishing that I'll never see again.
• 1:20:12
  And he goes, just for like a moment, we got a glimpse
• 1:20:15
  of what it could be, you know what it what it should be without
• 1:20:18
  us, like and he blames himself, Well, isn't that a good example
• 1:20:21
  of what we could do with Atlanta? So what would it take? Exactly?
• 1:20:27
  Then, because there's certain strains that go to certain rivers. They're putting
• 1:20:30
  on spot by what we do? What do we do? But there's nothing
• 1:20:34
  you can do on some rivers that have lost lost their fish because those fish
• 1:20:39
  returned to certain rivers, right, yeah, I mean you have to think
• 1:20:41
  about how tarp and work, how to permit work, how to bonefish work.
• 1:20:45
  Right, the bonefish were lost at some point in the in the in
• 1:20:49
  the keys. They're starting to come back. At one point bonefish were lost
• 1:20:53
  the keys. Like there's a while there where nobody's catching bonefish. Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  And and and look, honestly, it's it's so hard to get people to
• 1:21:04
  get involved with the lank salmon. One because it's cold, too, because
• 1:21:08
  it's expensive. Three because it's endangered in the US. Right, I mean,
• 1:21:15
  any any guy that's twenty, any guy that's you know, thirty forty
• 1:21:19
  can go down and they can go and catch a fucking torp and they love
• 1:21:23
  it right in the keys and they'll be cooked. Yeah. Right, it's
• 1:21:26
  somewhat easy. And it's get I mean, it's it's within reach of an
• 1:21:30
  average Yeah. So so this guy Fred Campbell, who I love, who
• 1:21:36
  I'm gonna be with, uh, he started a company called who K.
• 1:21:39
  I don't know if you know it. It's a it's it's Canadian Patagonia.
• 1:21:45
  It's I told him to say that earlier. Sorry, sorry, And and
• 1:21:55
  his view is to democratize salmon fishing. And so you know what democratized salmon
• 1:22:02
  fishing. What does that mean in the reference of make it more accessible to
• 1:22:08
  come out like democracy? A better chance you got exactly if you want to
• 1:22:15
  do something good for it, it's accessible. If Canada believes that only rich
• 1:22:20
  and wealthy people salmon fish, then they're not going to do anything for it.
• 1:22:25
  Once you bring all the other people from any class involved and SAM fishing,
• 1:22:30
  who love it, who excited about it. So the idea it might
• 1:22:33
  be harder to get on the water, but you're gonna have more people that
• 1:22:35
  care about it that it will be trying to fight for it. Yeah,
• 1:22:41
  exact sense. I mean. A good example could be to look at the
• 1:22:44
  ever I mean the amount of money that just got poured into the Everglades and
• 1:22:47
  into what is clean water and Sam's for clean water. A lot of that
• 1:22:51
  comes from the fact that Florida has a multi billion dollars fishing industry that relies
• 1:22:57
  on that waterway. Exactly, if Canada can create a fraction of that,
• 1:23:01
  you know, which I'm sure they don't have right now. I don't know
• 1:23:03
  how much Atlantic salmon fishing brings in, but it's not how much the Everglades
• 1:23:09
  and the Keys brings in. So what I'm saying is like they're like,
• 1:23:12
  that's you're right. That's how you talk to governments is with your wallet,
• 1:23:15
  and like how much is this going to cost you long term if you don't
• 1:23:19
  fix the problems that we're facing. Act I see that. I like that.
• 1:23:23
  Democratize salmon, tie salmon for the people. So when you cool guy
• 1:23:28
  too? I saw him of him Flowers River. He he's a he's a
• 1:23:31
  French Canadian. He's got this little French mustache. I'm gonna be I should
• 1:23:36
  say, hey, he's a great guy. I'll send him this podcast.
• 1:23:45
  Actually he's the only guy that'll send her up the guillotina. I'm an international,
• 1:23:50
  I'm an international man this guy here. I know some French Canadians they
• 1:23:56
  refer to themselves as kwa. That's there, that's their normal. So when
• 1:24:03
  you go when when you go to one of these uh Atlantic Salmon Federation,
• 1:24:10
  like let's just call it a banquet event whatever. Are there are there anyone
• 1:24:15
  there under twenty five? Yeah, that's another issue. I mean, salmon
• 1:24:19
  fishing is you know, it's it's not cool. Sorry, well it's just
• 1:24:28
  not it's not in like the fabric of like a young kid unless you grow
• 1:24:31
  up on those rivers and like, gosh, sorry, bad joke. No,
• 1:24:35
  no, I'm just trying to act pretty good. I'm probably just trying
• 1:24:40
  to paint. I'm just trying to paint the picture of this podcast. I
• 1:24:45
  get it. Yeah, No, it's it's an older crowd. It's an
• 1:24:46
  older crowd. Who we are we done? No? No, We're not
• 1:24:56
  done. No, I want hardware to put about this. So what do
• 1:25:00
  we do? Common event, Like, yeah, exactly what can we do?
• 1:25:08
  So that's a good question. I mean, essentially, what we're trying
• 1:25:11
  to do is we're trying to bring the young crowd back to get into a
• 1:25:15
  length sam a fishing. And it's tough. I mean, look, you
• 1:25:18
  have a you have a small crowd to work with, you know. But
• 1:25:23
  what you do have is you have guys that love freshwater fishing. Yeah,
• 1:25:28
  you do have all the trout fishermen out there, guys he knew how to
• 1:25:31
  strip strike. I had to say it, don't don't. Yeah, you
• 1:25:45
  do have like a combination of a lot of young angler stuff. Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  I mean the real issue is that once you get a young guy on a
• 1:25:55
  fish, a salmon, he's done. You know. I got my first
• 1:26:00
  spuddy out in uh In, Canada this year Jack Martin, and he caught
• 1:26:06
  his first salmon and so it was the fish of a salmon a thousand casts
• 1:26:10
  and he caught it in like twenty casts, of course, and he got
• 1:26:14
  a fifteen pounder on on a bomber and it was glorious. It was amazing.
• 1:26:24
  You know. It's the issue is just that we don't have them right
• 1:26:28
  in the US, and so it's more of like it's and we worked with
• 1:26:32
  BTT, you know, Bumfish Tarpet Trust and you know about we go ahead.
• 1:26:39
  I know you said it earlier, but with the Atlantic Salmon Federation got
• 1:26:43
  it all right, they're not gonna hear this, But what if we biss
• 1:26:51
  the young population. Let yeah, maybe we'll get one guy. No,
• 1:27:00
  But honestly, it's the most amazing thing that you've ever experienced the entire life.
• 1:27:05
  Like I've caught a tarpin, boom amazing, got a permit, boom
• 1:27:11
  amazing, boom fishing incredible. It's who you are that defines you as a
• 1:27:16
  fisherman. If you're a trout fisherman, and you are true and true a
• 1:27:20
  trout fisherman, you are a salmon fisherman and once you catch a salmon,
• 1:27:26
  you are done. You are totally sold. You're done. But that's the
• 1:27:30
  issue. It's getting that trout fisherman in the middle of fucking nowhere Georgia to
• 1:27:34
  go and catch salmon. And once that happens, that's it. So it's
• 1:27:40
  accessibility and you get what we're trying to have a scope into the larger world
• 1:27:47
  ecological issues. Like think about that. If you are a small town guy
• 1:27:54
  and you find a way to experience catching a Atlantic salmon, you suddenly have
• 1:28:01
  a vision, a very specific view into ecological global issues. Right, that's
• 1:28:14
  awesome. I mean that's amazing. Well, where can where can people find
• 1:28:18
  out a little bit more information like this? The federation you're talking about,
• 1:28:24
  Yeah, ASF that would yeah, okay, Atlantic Salmon Okay, Atlantic Salmon
• 1:28:30
  Foundation, right, federation? Okay, So when I let you talk about
• 1:28:34
  it? So how do they find it? It's ASF dot C a Canadian,
• 1:28:43
  Yeah, it's Canadian. There's a Canadian and a US board and you
• 1:28:48
  know, essentially our goal is to you know, give safe haven to Atlantic
• 1:28:54
  salmon. I mean, at the end of the day, and safe Haven
• 1:28:58
  two podcasts like you often do they have their do the the yearly event or
• 1:29:03
  is it every other couple of years? Yeah, it's we do uh do
• 1:29:08
  to to events one one it's Rhyno Montreal. Or you would like how how
• 1:29:21
  like that event? Is that a bougie event? It's pretty bug I got
• 1:29:27
  you, I've got you on at my table, Paul, I got drunk,
• 1:29:31
  Paul. Have you ever had a glass of champagne in your life?
• 1:29:38
  My nineteenth birthday I spent in a little town called Sherbrook. It's just outside
• 1:29:43
  of uh Montreal. It's a bunch of caba qua. And I went into
• 1:29:46
  a bar because I know I could drink there, and uh, I don't
• 1:29:49
  speak French, and just did he just did a little touchy about people speaking
• 1:29:58
  French or not. And I went into a hockey bar. They have hockey
• 1:30:00
  bars. And I went into a hockey bar and the girl back there wouldn't
• 1:30:03
  speak English to me, and so I started speaking Spanish to it, because
• 1:30:08
  it's the only thing I knew, at least better than English. And I
• 1:30:11
  don't know much Spanish, but I know enough to order beer, and so
• 1:30:15
  I started. So I spent the entire night ordering beers in space from a
• 1:30:18
  white chick at a bar and a French speaking white chicken a bar uh.
• 1:30:24
  And then they had a live band. They played Sweet Home Alabama and the
• 1:30:28
  guy didn't speak English and you could tell sweet Home Lakama. Yeah, I
• 1:30:34
  mean, I think I think it'd be amazing. It was awesome if Hardbreak
• 1:30:41
  was set up a table for us in Montreal at the next ass It's you
• 1:30:49
  all guys got all you had to say is parqua is CD gonna be there?
• 1:31:00
  CD will be there. So I got a quick I got a quick
• 1:31:03
  story about CD quick and then I'm sorry, but so CD has always been
• 1:31:10
  one of my favorite artists. I love his artwork. And as a younger
• 1:31:14
  man in the early two thousands, I was setting it stuff a lot,
• 1:31:15
  and I got accepted to the Plantation Wildlife Show and Thomas Yeah in Thomasville,
• 1:31:25
  Georgia, and I got accepted this Thomasville art Show. I'm Thomasville, Georgia
• 1:31:30
  way too early, like I should not have been accepted to it, but
• 1:31:32
  I applied to it because I thought it would take me like four or five
• 1:31:34
  years. And I was like, on your one or two of kind of
• 1:31:39
  this, you were pretty good, Doug. This is this is the stuff
• 1:31:44
  was terrible. So I got accepted and I had to put this stuff together.
• 1:31:47
  I had to put a booth of like, you know, ten to
• 1:31:49
  twelve paintings together and two or three of them might have been good, but
• 1:31:55
  the other ones are garbage. And I was like, CD, do you
• 1:31:59
  think you come look at my art and like tell me kind of what you
• 1:32:01
  think? And you know what he did. He did exactly what he should
• 1:32:03
  have done. He basically told me it sucked, and in a constructive way.
• 1:32:11
  But that's what I wanted compared to these days when people put their artwork
• 1:32:15
  on that you're an assholet no one tells them what they need to hear it.
• 1:32:25
  But I would say it made me a better artist, Like I wanted
• 1:32:30
  someone to tell me what I needed to do, and he basically ripped the
• 1:32:34
  paintings apart. But that's what I'm used to when you go to when you
• 1:32:38
  go to art school, and that's what you're used to do, and that's
• 1:32:41
  what you need to hear, that's what you want to But the thing is,
• 1:32:43
  like in any endeavor, like I mean just straight up, like in
• 1:32:46
  any endeavor in live, like when you're when you're learning something, at least
• 1:32:49
  if you want to be good at it, which some people just want to
• 1:32:54
  appear good at it or want to pass by or just want to skate by.
• 1:32:56
  That's fine, But if you want to be really good at something,
• 1:33:00
  the very thing you want is somebody better than you to look at your ship.
• 1:33:03
  I mean, the Cooper Gras were like, oh yeah, that looks
• 1:33:06
  good or whatever, but like if that person's better than me and can look
• 1:33:10
  at it and say, nah, man, try this, try that,
• 1:33:13
  switch this. That's not gonna work for you. I know what you're trying
• 1:33:15
  to do, but that's not how you get that done. Like that's how
• 1:33:19
  you become better yet and not enough that happens anymore these days everyone, but
• 1:33:26
  I really appreciated him coming by and and doing that. It was pretty cool
• 1:33:30
  to be seeing one of my art heroes in my booth sitting there just looking
• 1:33:34
  all my paintings. That is awesome, you know, be constructing kind of
• 1:33:38
  what it's good or bad, and he's painting that was probably I don't know,
• 1:33:42
  oh eight o nine some with that maybe, And I appreciate Hardwak coming
• 1:33:45
  by and talking to us about it. Fish that does not exists actually real
• 1:33:54
  also good in saltwater and fresh what No, can't it go out to the
• 1:34:00
  ocean? Have you been paying attention at all? It's a notion of it.
• 1:34:02
  Okay, okay, I'm sorry, dramas. When was the last time
• 1:34:06
  you have you looking for We'll go up and spun? They're not they're not
• 1:34:15
  podcast. Have you even CD ever fished the other? CD and I are
• 1:34:24
  good buddies. Yeah. I talked to him once a week and I mentioned,
• 1:34:29
  you know that you would you put something up maybe for the SF and
• 1:34:33
  he was very excited. That's cool. Have you ever met James Bis through
• 1:34:38
  CD? Does? He advised? Really good buddies? Are we going to
• 1:34:41
  talk about James? We're not. We need James James, it's a common
• 1:34:46
  but we need jameson No. But CD is just and so it's his wife
• 1:34:55
  Tracy who pretty much leads the whole thing. And you know, I mentioned
• 1:35:01
  that, you know, I was doing this podcast you guys and to him
• 1:35:09
  no, but you know, look, the beauty about us is that we're
• 1:35:12
  kidding this out. At the end of the day, I don't care,
• 1:35:14
  I don't care who's listening. I know you've got tons of redfish guys and
• 1:35:17
  tarping guys and permit guys. Look, guys, your fish doesn't fucking work
• 1:35:26
  like you can. You you can catch all those little fuckers you want.
• 1:35:30
  But once, once you're on a river trying to catch a fish, you
• 1:35:34
  don't know what the fuck you're doing. You know, you go out in
• 1:35:38
  the ocean, you catch those fish all fucking day long. Oh you've got
• 1:35:41
  no fucking You've got no obstacles, you've got no you've got no river down
• 1:35:45
  stream, you've got no rocks, you've got no one her cuts, you've
• 1:35:49
  got no eddies, you've got no nothing. And and some guys will say,
• 1:35:54
  oh, we've got fuck, We've got We've got uh, we've got
• 1:35:57
  a mangroves. And it's like, fuck you. You know, go blow
• 1:36:02
  yourself. You know you got those little fucking things that stick out of the
• 1:36:08
  out of the water. What are those called PIOLs? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:11
  that's bullshit. You know all those things. What about sparks, can ground,
• 1:36:15
  Yeah, exactly, all that shit. It's it's it doesn't mean shit
• 1:36:18
  when you have a forty five pounds salmon on the end of your line and
• 1:36:24
  you're in the river about the size of this fucking room right now, guys,
• 1:36:29
  you guys are pussies. Get your ship together, everyone. We don't
• 1:36:34
  even need a case sh all right, damn, I guess, hold on,
• 1:36:45
  hold on, I guess we're in this segment on that yeahs, come
• 1:36:54
  back to wrap it up with a bow. We'll get well, let's do
• 1:36:58
  a bullshit session then we'll get I mean, I know Caso's in the other
• 1:37:01
  room. I got, I got an old ad though, as are going
• 1:37:04
  out on this Okay, already, thanks again, buddy sick out for the
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  would you look at it right? Look at it this report. I've
• 1:38:02
  seen many things over the years, but nothing might Doug's current haircut, my
• 1:38:10
  god, so professional. So I'm kempt. How does it do? Both
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  boys barely live? We call it barely there. Basically we don't do anything
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  between the buck. I wouldn't saw brick Cob about a month ago here at
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  the Poorhouse, Charleston, South. I don't be so far, George.
• 1:38:49
  It was just weird, like minute shit over here and I can't figure it
• 1:38:55
  out. Yeah, well this is what we call the last segment. I'm
• 1:39:01
  so glad to be here with you guys. Our listeners don't speak in berto
• 1:39:13
  a bird day. So I had a little thing on the list. The
• 1:39:18
  Ryan Adams Show concert review. We can review thirty seconds, give a quick
• 1:39:23
  review. So I was with Hardwick's sister and was he brother in law?
• 1:39:32
  We all know you're here, and uh it was. It was awesome.
• 1:39:38
  Yeah, it was a little weird. He's I mean, he went into
• 1:39:42
  cold rises and he seemed to never come out of it. He's he's he's
• 1:39:45
  mixing metal with his song in the middle metal over here in jam band.
• 1:39:51
  He's like going back and forth the whole time. Let's talk about this pajamas.
• 1:39:56
  Well, he did have some slayers, some sweatpants, said lay down
• 1:40:00
  the side. My sister did, what's going on? We're talking about Ryan
• 1:40:09
  Adams, Ryan Adams about Yeah, yeah, it's Slayer pajamas. Well,
• 1:40:15
  they probably weren't pajamas. They're probably sweatpants. Yeah, they were sweatpants.
• 1:40:19
  They might have been his pajamas. I'm looking at notes for the show that
• 1:40:24
  I have things, things, topics we can talk about. So anyway,
• 1:40:28
  bring Doug. Did you bring any notes or topics? No, I didn't.
• 1:40:32
  I brought a lot of questions. That's all I brought. Doug brings
• 1:40:39
  usually it is they brings lots of questions. Sometimes we're going to dinner now,
• 1:40:45
  I think Santi's right? Are we going to Sante's the only place we're
• 1:40:48
  all going to? Santees it's a fifteen No ranchelis that they closed at eight
• 1:40:55
  thirty members. Hardwick looks like he's got some plans. Okay, I got
• 1:41:00
  blown up. Well, oh did you really? No, it's a great
• 1:41:04
  place blowing up in the all the all male. They really like Paul.
• 1:41:10
  Let's get back to Ryan. Yeah okay, so okay, okay, So
• 1:41:15
  Ryan Adams winning the Cold Roses, Well he got a little lost around.
• 1:41:19
  He took a turn to a left turn around like uh, lying the witch
• 1:41:25
  and the wardrobe and came out. I thought you went to Ryan Adams.
• 1:41:30
  Now seriously, do you not remember he went on there were having a twenty
• 1:41:35
  three minute opener, Peaceful Valley. That was the opener, was like twenty
• 1:41:40
  three minutes of just going in and out of like I must have had a
• 1:41:44
  cuddle of vodka drinks this week it happens. Yeah, okay here we're hard
• 1:41:48
  wired by the refinery here in Charleston. Yeah, yeah, yeah, wants
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  come on get in here anymore? Don't No, well they know I do.
• 1:42:01
  So we are standing literally about what so three way? Aren't we sitting
• 1:42:09
  three hundred yards from where was playing? Hello? Yes, collar coming may
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  be less like a nobody end up in your car. All right, it's
• 1:42:20
  a run. Adam sucked. He's wearing it was different. Do you want
• 1:42:28
  to talk about Tyler Shoulders? I do, look like okay, next alright,
• 1:42:34
  alright, So was anyone else here at Tayler Shoulders? I couldn't.
• 1:42:39
  I was working here at Tayler Children. Yeah, nobody else out of the
• 1:42:42
  time to second mortgage their house smooth. I saw pictures zone. It looked
• 1:42:47
  like he had a nozzle apartment set up on stage there was Hardwick. Do
• 1:42:51
  you like Tayler Choulders looks like he hit a a donut fried donut and he
• 1:42:59
  was he was talking on the side of the street. And I saw him
• 1:43:01
  one time play this time and in mentone, Alabama. Yeah, he was
• 1:43:05
  eating the doughnut. You knew where the Mental Alabama is. That was four
• 1:43:10
  years ago. Now he's going. I learned that I was selling five hundred
• 1:43:13
  dollars tickets. There ain't munch in mintone, Alabama. I saw the gorge
• 1:43:17
  in mentone, Alabama, a wedding in a barn. I think I was
• 1:43:21
  the only one there that knew who they were. Don't mind if you know
• 1:43:24
  what I mean. I don't think the only thing Ta Shoulders needs to do
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  is go I love you like Kentucky Backham, Tennessee and every girl's panties.
• 1:43:35
  Everything is frosty and I couldn't move my don't. I mean, it's just
• 1:43:43
  yeah, hey, Doug, we're good now. I was just he just
• 1:43:46
  cut dug out, all right, they just cut me out. I will
• 1:43:50
  say, there's like the gorge burned the honeysuckle. You can play that at
• 1:43:54
  my funeral, though, that would be nice. Absolutely, the only thing
• 1:43:58
  I'm gonna do it. You're funeral is wait funeral. Even shiny Ribs Ribs
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  is a whole different new gorge though, But there's no gorge. This gorge,
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  man, just say gorge. I said gorge. I will say this.
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  The other night at Martin's, before you started playing the kid guitar,
• 1:44:21
  somebody was like, hey, have you ever heard this song? They played
• 1:44:25
  it, and I go I heard this bandit Pine Creek Lodge in Montana,
• 1:44:30
  and I kept swearing up and down. It was Green Sky Bluegrass, No
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  more beer. It wasn't. It was called rail. Oh yeah never.
• 1:44:39
  Someone told me you were Someone was confused you were corect Okay, yeah,
• 1:44:46
  I think in a couple of good songs. The Green Sky Bluegrass is really
• 1:44:49
  good anyway, so podcast. The point I wanted to it out do all
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  is this. It was actually really good. But I was surprised he spent
• 1:45:04
  so much time not with a guitar but standing behind the microphone singing. And
• 1:45:10
  it was interesting because it was almost like, oh God, who's Leon Bridges.
• 1:45:17
  It was almost like Leon Bridges, and it really was, and he
• 1:45:20
  actually did a good job of it. He actually could put down the instrument
• 1:45:26
  and get through a song communicating to the crowd with his voice. And that's
• 1:45:32
  a pretty hard thing to do. Could you stand out behind a microphone without
• 1:45:36
  an instrument? Yeah? You need that right? So he did that and
• 1:45:43
  I thought it was cool. It's not my bag of tricks. But did
• 1:45:46
  you have a harmonica or anything? What harmonica is that? That little thing
• 1:45:55
  is that You're like, Doug has asked you about harmonic. You're like,
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  talk shit about local fishermens. All right, Just for the record, I'm
• 1:47:17
  met one of those and I murdered him. Really yeah, I just took
• 1:47:23
  the batteries out. It was a lot like Alien Covenant. You know,
• 1:47:29
  we're like the one God. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know
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  anything. I'm not familiar with Alien Covenant. Why does my cafter the little
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  thing of is he brought those? I don't like using a little promise.
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  I'm aggressive, I use my die friend. He's afraid of COVID? Could
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  I tell a quick jo? I don't get any We never have jokes on
• 1:47:48
  here. So what's what's the last thing you want to hear when you're blowing
• 1:47:54
  Willie Nelson? Oh god, uh wow, that's really great. I don't
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  know. I'm not Willie Nelson. My favorite thing is my favorite My favorite
• 1:48:13
  description of sex ever is uh, my favorite description of sex ever is Willie
• 1:48:19
  Nelson eating a hot dog. Yeah and uh yeah, so what you never
• 1:48:26
  heard that? No? I thought you were. That's where you're anyone like?
• 1:48:29
  No, No, that's literally the that's it, Paul. Yeah,
• 1:48:31
  the last joke my dad ever told me. You're the last joke my dad's
• 1:48:36
  ever told me. Joke. Willie Nelson eat hear this, it's a vagina
• 1:48:43
  joke, Paul, Okay, yeah, I'm confused. Sorry. Mushroom walks
• 1:48:48
  into a bar or is your drink? I guess is? We don't serve
• 1:48:53
  your kind of here? And he goes, hey, it's cool, fun
• 1:48:55
  guy. Oh man, Oh you are something. You are something real fucked
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  up from the annals of an ic unit. Yea. So on multiple occasions,
• 1:49:15
  I've seen people a multiple occasion, I s people die from from from
• 1:49:24
  random shit. Right, yeah, this is but his way, Like fungus
• 1:49:28
  gets aside your brain, it'll eat you like that. Now your brain has
• 1:49:30
  protection. Your brain has a lot of protections against funguses. It's very hard.
• 1:49:35
  There's almost zero, there's like not zero, but there's very few fungus
• 1:49:40
  that can actually get through your blame barriers. You don't freak out about this
• 1:49:42
  in your daily life, all right, but if one gets in there,
• 1:49:45
  it gets bad. So I had a patient fungus got in the brain.
• 1:49:50
  Patient is dying and there's nothing we can do about it. And I'm training
• 1:49:56
  a new guy and I'm wondering if he's gonna fit in with the crew on
• 1:49:59
  the su and we're going around with rounds. I'm like, all right,
• 1:50:00
  this guy brought in with YadA, YadA, YadA. He's got a funk
• 1:50:04
  infection. It is inside his brain. It is kind of you know,
• 1:50:09
  killing him. And and the the guy that I'm training looks everything goes huh
• 1:50:16
  because that's sad. I wonder if it is eulogy, they will say he
• 1:50:19
  was a fun guy and I instantly it was like, this is my new
• 1:50:27
  best friend, but now work together. Yeah, that's a listen up,
• 1:50:31
  that's a that's a joke. That's a true fucking story. He's setting up.
• 1:50:42
  What's my joke? What's what he's trying to mouth? Now? Our
• 1:50:47
  mouthing things across the table. No, it's like a camp fire. Physical.
• 1:50:55
  There's a physical nature to Yeah, there's limits on podcasts. Is going
• 1:51:00
  to ast this podcast? It gets physical, but not we know about it.
• 1:51:03
  Don't feel him not telling that joke. Just not tell them about our
• 1:51:08
  physical contact on the show. Jesus, what all of a sudden, everybody,
• 1:51:20
  we have a couple of we have no limits on this most embarrassing fishing
• 1:51:26
  story ever, go most embarrassing fishing story. Well, it's more. I
• 1:51:30
  was fishing on the White River. I was in college and we went to
• 1:51:35
  spring break, putting my two buddies and I and uh, I'm sorry,
• 1:51:41
  I have to interject. You went to you went to the White White River
• 1:51:45
  and yeah with you do you have one other guy is with the podre like
• 1:51:51
  two years for a year. Yeah, we wanted to go fishing. So
• 1:52:02
  I'm standing up on this rock kind of doing a nod, you know,
• 1:52:05
  figuring out what fly I mean us. My buddy came home and gives hey,
• 1:52:09
  Pooky, you watch some of these Copenhagen Like, man, I cannot
• 1:52:13
  take that Copenhagen. There's no way I've smelled it. It's just I can't
• 1:52:16
  do dip and make me. You know, your buddy's just finally talking and
• 1:52:19
  just just do this want a little pinch yea? And he gave it to
• 1:52:23
  me and uh, you know old Brian Watts from Mount Playsant, Texas.
• 1:52:28
  And I put that little I'll put that little I just put that little,
• 1:52:30
  this little robin egg mount on my lip and I'm starting, you know,
• 1:52:34
  retiring that thing. About the time I get that loop on that fly,
• 1:52:38
  but his eyes are going, God, I'm in I'm moon dancing on this
• 1:52:43
  rock and I about fall in the water. And it's the worst headache I've
• 1:52:45
  ever had, is sitting an embarrassing fishing story. But just for for some
• 1:52:50
  reason, this came to mind. The first and only time I've ever done
• 1:52:54
  Copenhagen was on the White River, on the rock that actually is the North
• 1:52:58
  Fork River. Yeah, I'm no, that's I don't see how after that
• 1:53:01
  I would be like, yeah, give me some more there, shit man.
• 1:53:05
  So okay, so I've had nine coping eggans tonight, and I can
• 1:53:12
  tell you I've had one. Do you want to tell you're wrestling? Because
• 1:53:16
  I've got a good one? Come on, well then let it, let's
• 1:53:18
  have it. I think I think this is the same one you told last.
• 1:53:24
  So I'm up in uh North Georgia at this this uh pay to play
• 1:53:34
  kind of trout stream. Okay, it's kind of like it's okay, okay,
• 1:53:41
  so quick, oh right it is. So I go up there because
• 1:53:50
  I get invited and they're like, hey, all you have to do is
• 1:53:55
  just be out there and catch some fish and just be cool. So I'm
• 1:54:00
  there. I got like this fucking sims waters. I got it, like
• 1:54:02
  looking good wins some fine way, don't I got. And I'm working this
• 1:54:08
  little pocket and you're doing that, Mike. Now look, nobody's over there,
• 1:54:12
  right. So it's a it's about nine thirty and guess what happens.
• 1:54:21
  I gotta take it out, Okay, Okay, So and it's brown trout,
• 1:54:26
  gotta release brown pushing, bushing the big pillot, a little turtlehead.
• 1:54:32
  Jesus. So I start sweating, I start getting hot. So I'm like,
• 1:54:38
  okay, so I put everything down like the photographers haven't shown up yet,
• 1:54:44
  hip baitris. That's why I'm fishing you like you're a mom fishing for
• 1:54:47
  free, because they're gonna have this whole media thing going. Okay, model,
• 1:54:54
  So this is a true story, y'all. So I go behind this
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  lovely grippa rd dendrom, which, by the way, North Georgia has the
• 1:55:04
  most beautiful I'd argue for western North Carolina, but you go ahead, okay,
• 1:55:09
  trout version of mangroves. So I forgot they'll say mangroves around here,
• 1:55:14
  like the one that happens when you take a number number two in the woods.
• 1:55:18
  It comes out just right right, So it's almost done. I'm on
• 1:55:29
  the second Wait a second, I'm on the second wave and I hear this
• 1:55:33
  voice say, son, Doug, is your name, Doug? Where are
• 1:55:40
  you here? And I'm like where? And You're in the middle of this
• 1:55:44
  area. So I'm like a gravis. It is Jimmy Carter, the president
• 1:55:54
  of the former president of the United States, still alive. At that point,
• 1:55:59
  I lived up everything and all and all I remembering and all everything is
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  please don't let the wind change, Please don't let the wind blood this story.
• 1:56:15
  But he was looking for peanuts, and so I walk over and he
• 1:56:21
  goes. He looks, and he goes, what are you doing over there?
• 1:56:26
  I go call my mom. He goes, okay, well, have
• 1:56:34
  you been fishing this run? And this is beating it's beautiful, And I
• 1:56:39
  go, yes, sir, I've been using Actually this funny streamers. It's
• 1:56:45
  it's a gold streamer. He's like. He's like, well, that's just
• 1:56:47
  trying to take advantage of the fish. He's like, do you understand what's
• 1:56:51
  going on with fish this time of year? And I go, they're getting
• 1:56:55
  fit off. I go, you know this is what I literally said to
• 1:56:59
  him. I go, you were president in the un stas and he goes,
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  yes, I was. I said, what would you be fishing right
• 1:57:09
  now? He goes, well, let's come over here and look. So
• 1:57:12
  he turns up rock. Let's come away kidding this is this is Jimmy in
• 1:57:18
  a sack. By the way, whatever you're let me say, Jimmy Carter
• 1:57:25
  is a really nice Everybody loves Jimmy Carter. And so we saw a stone
• 1:57:31
  fly on the bottom of the rock, and he said, he goes,
• 1:57:41
  he goes, He goes a little squad and he goes, He goes,
• 1:57:45
  what was your name again? And I go check your pants off? He
• 1:57:51
  goes. He goes, do you understand the life cycle of the stone fly?
• 1:57:57
  And I'm like dope, And he goes. He tells me the whole
• 1:58:01
  story of the sun fot the life cycle of the sun fo Then boy,
• 1:58:08
  did you just say, like, hey listen, oh man, I know
• 1:58:10
  that. But there's also I'm not done with this story. So so he
• 1:58:17
  goes on, so I'm not done the story. So so he goes,
• 1:58:24
  he goes, and so we talk about it. He asked about my fives.
• 1:58:28
  I showed my five box. He shows me his five box thirty minutes
• 1:58:31
  go by, no one's fishing. He's just talking to me. And finally
• 1:58:36
  I'm like, all right, mister president. And that's why I said to
• 1:58:43
  him, and he and he raised his eyebrows. He was like and and
• 1:58:46
  I was like, okay, I'm gonna go fish the next stretch and good
• 1:58:50
  luck. And I try to be like all nice, and I'm walking off
• 1:58:54
  a cart. I'm walking off on the trail and he goes, hey,
• 1:58:59
  Doug, and I think that I know you take sha you didn't fall over?
• 1:59:14
  All right on that note to get Jimmy Carter, because I know you
• 1:59:25
  take your shoulder. That's amazing, that is amazing. Actually I'll give you
• 1:59:29
  that. I'll give you that pellet fed trout and all alright, let's all
• 1:59:39
  go. One side was the seck. Well, hello, then barely lives
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  your boy Richard cakes, I apoll my song is already play. I want
• 1:59:58
  I just got twice. I knows you're a terrible DJ. Richard. I've
• 2:00:03
  been trying for you. You're gonna come in here like that and tell me
• 2:00:08
  how to run this this operation. The business has been a hurding. Have
• 2:00:11
  you seen the temperatures outside? You know how hard it is to make a
• 2:00:14
  possib random possib keep it from Oxy. We stopped cussing on the show too.
• 2:00:23
  By the way, well that's the end of the show, ladies A
• 2:00:26
  gentleman, Richard Caso, it's self. So if you don't do good on
• 2:00:30
  possum fat and coonclaw powder, then what is kind of your summer product?
• 2:00:35
  Starvation? Starvation is the backup plan, Paul, I have nothing. I
• 2:00:43
  have KSO Corp, if k SOO Coop, don't make no money. Richard
• 2:00:46
  Caso stars to death. That is the plan. That is the plan.
• 2:00:50
  Okay, that's the plan or just the outcome you don't plan on starting matter.
• 2:00:56
  Hey, ok we made a lot of chili last night. We invite
• 2:01:00
  you to dinner, and you didn't come. I didn't get the invitels of
• 2:01:03
  the Latest Complicated. I've had to move to the trailer a couple of times.
• 2:01:06
  I was out on John Earle's farming and after the podcast, somehow you
• 2:01:12
  figured it out and the next thing I knew, I had to move,
• 2:01:15
  and I've been bouncing around. Okay, look, it's tough for me to
• 2:01:19
  get mail, Doug. I don't know how hard that is for you to
• 2:01:24
  understand. So if I want to invite you for dinner, I gotta write
• 2:01:26
  you a letter. No you should not. Well, I do have a
• 2:01:29
  po box, which, of course all the mailbox that has come too.
• 2:01:31
  So you need to be like four or five days your head's up was kind
• 2:01:34
  of a four or five days ahead of time. Like if if you peck
• 2:01:38
  me to sew up for a last minute dinner, it's gonna need to have
• 2:01:41
  at least five days of man's notice so I could get down to the ups
• 2:01:45
  store, to the rented out put old box. If you don't do the
• 2:01:48
  thing, look, it is what it is. I'm living. I'm tiny
• 2:01:51
  house living. I'm a pioneer Paul, like these kids now that can't afford
• 2:01:56
  the houses because the interest rates too high, living in trailers, thinking that
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  cool hipster. Don't forget about this. So you saw all your products mail
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  order still right, absolutely like they ripped out the little thing and they put
• 2:02:10
  it in an envelope with five dollars. That kunclock pattern did not work box
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  heard. It actually ended up giving you a little swells all around, small
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  print riticos not I kind of call them boils. Now you brought the hardwicks
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  a little a little nipt pack. Yeah, I look here, look at
• 2:02:28
  Hardwick. You have never met me before. So I brought you a little
• 2:02:30
  on something. I got you the Coom club and this goes good and the
• 2:02:34
  way it keeps it from getting all the stuff to you. And then if
• 2:02:38
  you get get a little rashy like Doug sensitive as skin, here's the Possi
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  greath is like the lubricant of life. It wouldn't keep you not the moisterized
• 2:02:51
  and looks don't like that shit. I don't know who rushed, but I
• 2:02:59
  brought you them. And here's the case of court product. And there's the
• 2:03:04
  you're gonna like it, harwork, You're gonna like it's good stuff. Did
• 2:03:08
  the mail get did the mail come into Yeah? Yeah? Actually yeah.
• 2:03:12
  I questions and he answers them, which is amazing. This is this from
• 2:03:17
  this emails from umberto Jordan's. Oh. He asked, I use I use
• 2:03:27
  strike indicators, and my friends say that I really should call them bobbers.
• 2:03:30
  What is your opinion on that? I think that there's no shame in the
• 2:03:34
  baber game. Here's what I think. I think people who who people need
• 2:03:40
  to rename ship to make themselves feel better, should just stop. Let's be
• 2:03:44
  If you are fishing a lure, weadbait underneath a floating object that is on
• 2:03:50
  the top of the water to indicate a time at which a fish will eat
• 2:03:55
  it. Sure, indicator is a good word. How Ever, little people
• 2:04:00
  who hadn't been at the barba beat you to it. So, baba,
• 2:04:04
  it is so. If you fish in something that floats over something that don't,
• 2:04:08
  and a fish eats the thing that don't and it pulls down a thing
• 2:04:11
  that does, you fish it up. Baba. Al Richard case So has
• 2:04:15
  spoken. That is fair enough, fair enough, regular, it's no shame
• 2:04:20
  in it. You know how excited you get what a baba goes down,
• 2:04:24
  Give it a baba now on my hands, on my little nubby to stir
• 2:04:30
  up, and it just it gets you so excited. I love to see
• 2:04:34
  a barber go down. Look, baba's give you a little three quarter and
• 2:04:38
  ship exactly when when the thing goes down a little yeah, it's like the
• 2:04:45
  midnight for just a little bit. Ye take it. You get a little
• 2:04:48
  tough because just for that has taken you don't know what the hell's on the
• 2:04:51
  other end of it. But you know something on the other end of it.
• 2:04:55
  I got another email here, all right, all right from Harleck Fallwell,
• 2:05:01
  who is that? Who's hard to catch? Carp? Okay in Atlanta
• 2:05:08
  boo on the Chattahoochee River Okay. And I like to call them city bone
• 2:05:14
  fish or city redfish. I don't like to call them carp I have to
• 2:05:16
  call them other names. How do you feel about that? Well, I
• 2:05:19
  feel like, no matter what you name it, you still live in Georgia
• 2:05:25
  and you're still catching a car. So let's do That's dose shame? He
• 2:05:33
  catching a copet in the Chattahoochie, right, You live on the Chattahoochie,
• 2:05:38
  the cop lives in the Chattahoochie. You went fishing in the Chattahoochie and you
• 2:05:43
  caught the car. Is that not enough for getting you? On this day?
• 2:05:46
  I caught a copet the Chattaoochie. I guess what he's getting is he
• 2:05:49
  likes to make himself feel like he's catching redfish redfish, but he's really just
• 2:05:53
  still catching Yeah. I like it when I'm checking off, I like to
• 2:05:56
  pretend like I'm it's just me in a dark room going at myself. You
• 2:06:03
  can't do that. Look, Atlantic Salmon Federation is gonna love this. You
• 2:06:11
  got a cop, call it a cop. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 2:06:15
  Copper cool now, all the hips to kids and catching copper I agree.
• 2:06:23
  One more question, I have tons of what's her name again, that's Richard,
• 2:06:30
  Richard Caso. So, Richard Caso, I have a big issue with
• 2:06:35
  with streamer fishing. I haven't I haven't quite figured it out. You know,
• 2:06:40
  typically when I grew up, they say, feed trout boogers in the
• 2:06:49
  morning, wooly boogers in the morning, right, just give it to them,
• 2:06:53
  right, you know, feeding wooly boggers in the morning, and in
• 2:06:56
  the afternoon you feed him dry fly, right, you know, because they're
• 2:07:00
  maybe woken up and they're a little bit hungry. And then at night again
• 2:07:03
  feed him dinner, you know, which is buggers. You want to always
• 2:07:08
  pleasantly give these fish easy to buy shit, right, So in breakfast sounds
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  practical. So what what what do you think about feeding trout buggers in the
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  morning. Tell me about that? Well, all right, you don't know
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  me very well though, you don't know kinda will operate. But here's my
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  thing. Uh, if they will eat it, I will feed it my
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  death. Whether it's a brook trout in the morning or a girlfriend in the
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  afternoon. If you will eat it, I will feed it, and they
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  third me well throughout my entire life. Look, I understand the nuances of
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  kinda you know, the under the stream wasn't the babbo isn't all the bullshit?
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  Here's the thing. Do you want to catch fish? Yeah, we
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  don't have fish eat said yes, give me by the fuck of the thing.
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  All right, that's what it is. So if they eat it inside,
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  man, that's as lively as I've ever seen. Which is the world's
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  first store with you can such a weird I mean, sure was alive,
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  dude. What I'm gonna do here, I'm gonna play as when we when
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  we fade out here, I'm gonna just play Gritty Flower and slay the song
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  prayer line. Yeah, so I'm gonna kill the mics. So we're not.
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  But while we're kind of breaking that down, no you don't have to
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  you can. I'm gonna kill the mics. I'm gonna let his song play,
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  And I just want to say thanks for joining us. Yeah, we
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  appreciate you, man, Yes, so appreciate that Richard Gay though I'm not
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  Richard, went out that way outside that I had fun. It was good,
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  it was all that was a lot of loft on Berto. You did
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  great, You did great the whole time. Nobody knows he was here,
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  right, he's been in here the whole time. All right, But these
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  are our friends, Gretty Fly Rod. Yeah, check out Gritty Fly Rode.
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  Like the song do the things? Another thing too? If nobody's listening
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  to this, gonna tell one more jokes? Ye, yes, he's looked.
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  What do you love on Peaky and Pie? But hate? Do you
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  all even get that cross crossed? Oh jeezus, Okay, that's not the
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  best interest to Gritty Fly Rode. He all right, here we go,
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  All right, here we go. You're looking now a man his head ship
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  broken rose in troubled times. I made the shot to feel the boy leave
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  that part of me behind. And now I'm holding all the chop. But
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  just to make sure, I told the one, and it's safe to say,
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  I card the quayne to live with this new life I'm holding down.
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  Now you can bed the floor, get swin splinchs Field my hands with all
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  her down. Those days I walk around town smile two folks, I'm doing
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  fun. I still find for you I need feel. Please don't take me
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  all the prayer line. Vacuum shame here acclaim that I ain't earned nobody for
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  myself, But now I truth be told. You can't control with painleys do
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  not so mun lit, And I'm grateful to the people do at this far
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  A little world, in this hard stays the time place I trace in my
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  love being found. I still seek grazy love faces the world that I get
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  to figure out those days I want ground, time to smile, to fo
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  im doing. I still find for my need to me. Please don't take
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  me all the prayer line in this day they don't guarantee. Please don't take
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  me all prayer line, prayer line