Latest / The Front / Erin Patterson behind bars: autism, terrorists and crochet
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- 0:03Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, August twenty six, twenty twenty five. A big
- 0:12Speaker 1: scoop on the Orcus Defense packed from our US correspondent
- 0:16Speaker 1: Joe Kelly. Australia is being urged to pivot towards developing
- 0:20Speaker 1: drone warfare technology, long range strike weapons and integrated air
- 0:25Speaker 1: defense systems with Britain and the US. Pillar two of
- 0:29Speaker 1: Orcus was supposed to focus on areas like AI and
- 0:32Speaker 1: quantum computing, but Joe's revealing a call to shake everything up.
- 0:40Speaker 1: The judge in Aaron Patterson's murder case says the fatal
- 0:44Speaker 1: mushroom lunch was horrendous, offending and now he's deciding whether
- 0:49Speaker 1: Patterson will ever see daylight again. Today a sentencing hearing
- 0:53Speaker 1: where Patterson's lawyers say she's doing it tough in prison
- 0:57Speaker 1: and should be eligible for parole a time in the future,
- 1:01Speaker 1: despite showing no remorse for her crimes. The Dame Phyllis
- 1:12Speaker 1: Frost Center in Melbourne is one of Australia's toughest prisons,
- 1:16Speaker 1: where inmates include convicted Islamic State terrorist Momina Schoma, drug dealers,
- 1:22Speaker 1: violent offenders and mushroom murderer Aaron Patterson. It's constantly in
- 1:27Speaker 1: the news because of staff shortages and rampant self harm incidents.
- 1:32Speaker 1: Prisoners are frequently locked down in their cells because there
- 1:35Speaker 1: aren't enough guards. Patterson is in her cell twenty two
- 1:39Speaker 1: hours per day and has taken refuge in crochet and books,
- 1:43Speaker 1: although her constant request to visit the library or get
- 1:47Speaker 1: some change of scenery go nowhere. That's the picture painted
- 1:51Speaker 1: in the Victorian Supreme Court where Justice Christopher Beale is
- 1:54Speaker 1: hearing submissions on sentence from the Crown, which wants life imprisonment,
- 1:59Speaker 1: and defense, which wants to emphasize Patterson is having a
- 2:03Speaker 1: hard time giving evidence. On Monday was Jennifer Hosking, an
- 2:08Speaker 1: assistant commissioner with Corrections Victoria. She said Patterson had access
- 2:13Speaker 1: to a small mesh fenced yard outside her solitary cell,
- 2:18Speaker 1: which adjoins her next door neighbor's yard. Patterson would also
- 2:22Speaker 1: be allowed to communicate by intercom with other prisoners if
- 2:25Speaker 1: she requested approval, but Patterson doesn't know who else is
- 2:29Speaker 1: in the unit, so can't apply to talk to anyone.
- 2:33Speaker 1: Here are voice actors for Patterson's barrister Colin Mandy sc
- 2:37Speaker 1: and Jennifer Hosking.
- 2:39Speaker 2: Miss Patterson currently communicates with one other person while they
- 2:43Speaker 2: are in separate yards. She does not currently physically mix
- 2:46Speaker 2: with other women in the unit.
- 2:48Speaker 3: That's yes, that's correct. She has approval to have access
- 2:51Speaker 3: with one other prisoner. I'm not aware of how frequently
- 2:54Speaker 3: that occurs, but she certainly approved to do that.
- 2:57Speaker 2: And although she has that approval, can I suggest to
- 3:00Speaker 2: you that she has never spoken one word to that
- 3:03Speaker 2: other prisoner.
- 3:04Speaker 3: I can't deny that. I have no further information on
- 3:07Speaker 3: that point. That could be for a range of reasons.
- 3:10Speaker 3: It could be the other person or her not wishing
- 3:12Speaker 3: to have that conversation.
- 3:14Speaker 2: And that other person is one of the prisoners who's
- 3:16Speaker 2: been in that unit for a number of years.
- 3:18Speaker 3: That's correct.
- 3:19Speaker 2: And they are serving a sentence for terrorism offenses. Is
- 3:23Speaker 2: that right?
- 3:23Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct, And.
- 3:25Speaker 2: They have attacked other prisoners whilst they've been in custody, correct.
- 3:29Speaker 3: That's correct.
- 3:31Speaker 1: Jennifer Hoskins said Patterson's cell was basic.
- 3:35Speaker 3: She has normal cell provisions, things like television, room for
- 3:38Speaker 3: her personal items. I understand she has. She's a keen
- 3:41Speaker 3: crocheer and she has a lot of woolen crochet equipment
- 3:44Speaker 3: in there. She has a computer. She has a computer
- 3:47Speaker 3: which she's had for some time, and that's in her cell.
- 3:50Speaker 3: She also has her own pillows. She has a number
- 3:53Speaker 3: of crocheted blankets that she's made herself. She has toiletries, books, magazines.
- 3:58Speaker 3: She has a hair straightener and a fan.
- 4:00Speaker 1: Hosking said improved conditions were available for prisoners once they'd
- 4:04Speaker 1: been sentenced, but until then Patterson wouldn't have access to
- 4:07Speaker 1: educational courses or other privileges. The point of all this
- 4:16Speaker 1: is to determine the length of Aaron Patterson's sentence and
- 4:18Speaker 1: whether she'll be allowed to apply for parole at any point.
- 4:22Speaker 1: In Victoria, the maximum sentence for murder is life, and
- 4:25Speaker 1: the Crimes Act says the standard sentence is twenty five
- 4:29Speaker 1: years if the victim is a civilian. The judge can
- 4:32Speaker 1: choose whether sentences are served concurrently or not, and when
- 4:36Speaker 1: she could apply for parole. It's generally accepted as a
- 4:40Speaker 1: sentencing principle that the court takes into account how hard
- 4:44Speaker 1: the offender is doing. Mandy told the judge Patterson was
- 4:47Speaker 1: having a hard time because she has autism and aspergers.
- 4:52Speaker 2: She does find it difficult because of that condition, because
- 4:55Speaker 2: she finds it difficult to cope with changes in routine
- 4:58Speaker 2: and the kinds of things that afflict people with that disorder.
- 5:01Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like there's much change, ah well, your honor,
- 5:05Speaker 2: but there are changes in routine on a minute by
- 5:08Speaker 2: minute basis. In that unit, you might be locked in
- 5:12Speaker 2: your cell with the door closed and no access to
- 5:15Speaker 2: anyone watching your TV, but mentally ill people come in
- 5:19Speaker 2: next door and start screaming and yelling. People moving up
- 5:22Speaker 2: and down the corridors, banging things, people screaming through the
- 5:26Speaker 2: intercom's abuse staff members. There are changes to routine on
- 5:30Speaker 2: a minute by minute basis which are never palatable as
- 5:34Speaker 2: far as the prisoner is concerned. It's a relative context
- 5:38Speaker 2: for her life, we say. Rather than mitigating the offending
- 5:41Speaker 2: in any way.
- 5:43Speaker 1: Mandy said he was asking for a non parole period
- 5:45Speaker 1: to be said, which would mean Patterson does get the
- 5:48Speaker 1: chance to apply for early release if she's of good behavior.
- 5:52Speaker 2: Consistently with the jury's verdict, there can be no argument
- 5:55Speaker 2: that the acts were deliberate and the intention was to kill.
- 6:03Speaker 1: Prosecutor Jane Warren said the Crown doesn't believe Patterson should
- 6:06Speaker 1: be eligible for parole at any point.
- 6:09Speaker 4: There was an elaborate attempt to cover up her offenses,
- 6:13Speaker 4: and that is, in our submission, indicative of a complete
- 6:17Speaker 4: absence of regret or remorse, and complete indifference. In our
- 6:21Speaker 4: submissions to the victims and the families, we submit, your
- 6:26Speaker 4: Honor can be satisfied it is properly described as worst
- 6:29Speaker 4: category offending. It is a crime that is so cruel
- 6:33Speaker 4: and so horrific that, in our submission, the offender is
- 6:38Speaker 4: not deserving of this court's mercy.
- 6:41Speaker 2: I agree with you that the offending here is horrendous.
- 6:44Speaker 4: Well, for those reasons, Your Honor, we make the submission
- 6:48Speaker 4: that fixing of a non parole period is not appropriate.
- 6:52Speaker 4: Thank you, Miss Warren.
- 6:57Speaker 1: Coming up the moving Victim Impacts statements of Aaron Patterson's victims.
- 7:17Speaker 1: If you scroll back in your feed for the front,
- 7:19Speaker 1: you'll see we made a full episode about the remarkable
- 7:22Speaker 1: victim impact statements that were read in court on Monday.
- 7:25Speaker 1: I spoke to Ellie Dudley, who's covered this whole trial.
- 7:30Speaker 1: I found Ian Wilkinson's statement in particular very very sad.
- 7:34Speaker 5: It was a really challenging listen. He said that he
- 7:36Speaker 5: was suddenly single. He said that he no longer had
- 7:39Speaker 5: somebody to debrief about his day at the end of
- 7:41Speaker 5: the day. And you know, he no longer took joy
- 7:43Speaker 5: and pottering around the kitchen and pottering around the garden
- 7:46Speaker 5: because the silence that she had left was deafening. The
- 7:50Speaker 5: other interesting part about Ian Wilkinson's victim impact statement is
- 7:53Speaker 5: the forgiveness that he gave erin He said that Aaron
- 7:57Speaker 5: has now become a victim of his kindness because he's
- 7:59Speaker 5: chose and to forgive her, and that he hopes that
- 8:02Speaker 5: she will spend her time in prison thinking about how
- 8:05Speaker 5: to become a better person.
- 8:07Speaker 1: We heard from Dawn Patterson's one hundred year old mother, Martha.
- 8:11Speaker 1: Her statement was read by another family member. What a
- 8:14Speaker 1: tragedy to be dealing at the age of one hundred
- 8:16Speaker 1: with the death of your son, of his wife and
- 8:20Speaker 1: other family members.
- 8:21Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was something that Justice Beeal drew on
- 8:24Speaker 5: as well. He spoke about how this crime has impacted
- 8:26Speaker 5: four generations. Often these things are characterized as a ripple effect,
- 8:30Speaker 5: but he said this is more like a tsunami. There
- 8:32Speaker 5: are four generations of people who have been deeply impacted
- 8:36Speaker 5: by Aaron Patterson's cruel offending, and that's obviously something he's
- 8:40Speaker 5: going to take into account when it comes to her sentencing.
- 8:43Speaker 5: With Simon Patterson, he didn't read out his victim impact
- 8:47Speaker 5: statement in court. Why do you think that's something he
- 8:49Speaker 5: may have chosen not to do.
- 8:51Speaker 1: Yeah, it was read by a cousin. Perhaps he thought
- 8:53Speaker 1: he couldn't hold it together emotionally, and during that reading
- 8:58Speaker 1: I thought his statement was interesting. Simon Patterson has throughout
- 9:01Speaker 1: this process been extremely dignified. When he was giving evidence
- 9:05Speaker 1: against his wife, of course, he wasn't allowed to mention
- 9:08Speaker 1: his belief that she had tried to poison him on
- 9:11Speaker 1: multiple occasions before she successfully poisoned his family. In the
- 9:15Speaker 1: witness box during the trial, he spoke about her as
- 9:18Speaker 1: a highly intelligent woman and someone who he still loved
- 9:21Speaker 1: and had loved very deeply. I thought that at this time,
- 9:25Speaker 1: the victim impact statement time, we might see what Simon
- 9:29Speaker 1: really thought. You know, Aaron tried to kill me. Aaron
- 9:33Speaker 1: was an abusive partner. There was kind of none of that.
- 9:36Speaker 1: He was very bitter about the media's interest in his
- 9:39Speaker 1: life and seemed very angry that their life had been
- 9:42Speaker 1: interrupted by people trying to get them to talk. There
- 9:45Speaker 1: were glimmers of joy as well, weren't there. He said
- 9:47Speaker 1: that he and the children had been very grateful for
- 9:49Speaker 1: the love that they'd been shown.
- 9:52Speaker 5: He did focus quite heavily on those children. He spoke
- 9:55Speaker 5: about how as a family, the three of them, you know,
- 9:58Speaker 5: they're adjusting to living in a home with solo parent.
- 10:01Speaker 5: These children are adjusting to trying to understand who their
- 10:04Speaker 5: mother is and knowing that their mother killed their grandparents
- 10:08Speaker 5: and that's something that everyone in their entire community knows.
- 10:11Speaker 5: But as you said, he described his children as very
- 10:13Speaker 5: strong and said that they're hurdles that they're getting together
- 10:17Speaker 5: as a family and are well supported in doing so.
- 10:20Speaker 1: I thought there was a real microdrop moment when Ruth Dubois,
- 10:24Speaker 1: who is the daughter of Heather and Ian Wilkinson, made
- 10:27Speaker 1: her statement and she said, you know, as a mother,
- 10:30Speaker 1: you try to protect your children from anything bad that
- 10:33Speaker 1: might happen in this world. And she feels that she
- 10:36Speaker 1: has failed in this instance because she hasn't been able
- 10:39Speaker 1: to shield her kids from the notoriety that the whole
- 10:42Speaker 1: family has now got. And she ended her victim impact
- 10:45Speaker 1: statement by addressing Aaron Patterson directly saying I cannot believe that,
- 10:50Speaker 1: as a mother, you have chosen to expose your children
- 10:53Speaker 1: to this. I was glad to hear that, you know,
- 10:55Speaker 1: someone talking to her directly, and I.
- 10:58Speaker 5: Think that throughout these victim impacts, a lot of the
- 11:01Speaker 5: emotions that a lot of people would have been feeling
- 11:03Speaker 5: were said out loud. Now this is an opportunity for
- 11:06Speaker 5: this family, who clearly believed that Aaron Patterson committed these crimes,
- 11:11Speaker 5: to say exactly the way that they had impacted them.
- 11:15Speaker 1: Should be back in court on September the eighth at
- 11:17Speaker 1: nine point thirty. Am Ellie, you'll be covering it live.
- 11:20Speaker 1: Have you got a tip for what that sentence might be?
- 11:23Speaker 5: I wouldn't be foolish enough to even guess, Claire.
- 11:26Speaker 1: I'll talk to you then. The Australian subscribers will be
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