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Killer Thriller Docu: Dane Cook had it all. Then his brother stole millions · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, you guys.
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  Speaker 2: So you are listening to Killer Thriller Docu, and I
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  Speaker 2: am Jen Fessler.
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  Speaker 1: And today I am joined.
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  Speaker 2: By my amazing Killer Thriller co-host, Elisa Donovan, and we
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  Speaker 2: are losing it. We are so excited to welcome our guest,
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  Speaker 2: comedian and actor, Dane Cook.
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  Speaker 3: Jen is not exaggerating. We are so thrilled to welcome Dane.
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  Speaker 3: His new documentary, Funny Money, The Dane Cook Story, takes
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  Speaker 3: us back to a shocking chapter in his life when
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  Speaker 3: he discovered that his half-brother had stolen millions of dollars
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  Speaker 3: from him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a story about money, but I almost
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  Speaker 2: feel more importantly, it's a story about family, betrayal, trust, fame,
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  Speaker 2: what happens when the person that you least expect becomes
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  Speaker 2: the person that you can't trust.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And today we are really going to get into what happened,
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  Speaker 3: the fallout, the impact on Dane. This really seems to
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  Speaker 3: have altered his life quite immeasurably. And we'll find out
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  Speaker 3: what it was like for him to revisit all of
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  Speaker 3: this for the documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? Let's bring him in. Dane, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for joining us on Killer Thriller. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I'm really grateful to be here.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: We are grateful. You know, we are.
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  Speaker 2: Killer Thriller is a true crime documentary. We talk a
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  Speaker 2: lot about murder and there's usually blood and fear. This
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  Speaker 2: your documentary. was sad and inspiring.
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  Speaker 1: And it was really beautifully done. So congratulations.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, congratulations.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to say first, before we even get
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  Speaker 3: into this interview, that I'm really sorry for your loss.
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  Speaker 3: I know everybody talks about the loss of the money,
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  Speaker 3: but you really lost your relationship with your brother. And
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  Speaker 3: I found that very, very touching. So I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to say sorry for that before.
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  Speaker 1: We even start.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I think that was one of the
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  Speaker 4: things when we were making it that And even talking
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  Speaker 4: about it today, it's like, I do miss my brother.
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  Speaker 4: I miss the guy that I knew as my brother.
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  Speaker 4: And even though these things like it's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: time has passed and certainly a lot of great therapy
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  Speaker 4: and great mentorship and all the things that you need
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  Speaker 4: to do to be truly introspective and get, you know,
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  Speaker 4: get reconfigured and sort of back on track. There are
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  Speaker 4: still moments where it's like, man, I, I, I, the
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  Speaker 4: guy that was my brother, we had some really, really great,
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  Speaker 4: we put some wins up together. And so that's, that
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  Speaker 4: still pings me from time to time. And certainly today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, also a great wife from what I saw.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that is always very helpful.
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  Speaker 4: So wouldn't be, I have to say, well, I can't
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  Speaker 4: breeze past that because you know, I wouldn't be here.
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  Speaker 4: The documentary, nothing in my life would be where it's at.
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  Speaker 4: If it wasn't for Kelsey, we're coming up on three
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  Speaker 4: years in September and, And truly she emboldened and gave
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  Speaker 4: me the ability to like, not only dig deep, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, she's the person who ultimately said to me, like,
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  Speaker 4: you always wanted to share this in an entertaining way.
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  Speaker 4: That was like, you know, a full confession of who
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  Speaker 4: you are. And she's like, you should go for it.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, wouldn't be here without Kels.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We went on to your Instagram page and just from
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  Speaker 2: the yoga poses alone.
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  Speaker 5: I can tell that she is quite a force.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so I, I want to know if, how you're
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  Speaker 2: feeling now that it's airing and now that you've watched
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  Speaker 2: it in its entirety and you've seen the Erica of
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  Speaker 2: it all. And are you feeling differently than you did
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  Speaker 2: before you started filming?
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  Speaker 4: Um, every time I have had, uh, any kind of
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  Speaker 4: sit down moment with it, um, I'm very cognizant of
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  Speaker 4: like realizing what I'm, what I'm steeped in at that moment.
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  Speaker 4: Like for example, um, the, the score, like the music
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  Speaker 4: throughout the film, uh, I was fortunate enough to have
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  Speaker 4: somebody create an original score for the movie and it
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  Speaker 4: accentuates the, the visual, the aesthetic and the music got
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  Speaker 4: me emotional just listening to, I didn't even, wasn't even
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  Speaker 4: watching the scene. I was just listening to the music.
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  Speaker 4: as I was playing the scene and, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, wow, this is like the soundtrack of my
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  Speaker 4: life now, in a sense, which has all those elements
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  Speaker 4: of somber and crestfallen, but triumphant. And at my core,
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  Speaker 4: even though, you know, this is a, as a kid
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  Speaker 4: who grew up loving true crime, it was insatiable. These
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  Speaker 4: were the stories that I Um, still to this day,
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  Speaker 4: I watch documentaries. I'm most intrigued by, um, you know,
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  Speaker 4: on my swim, this is the stuff that I like to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, listen to and buy. Never dreaming that I
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  Speaker 4: would be involved in something like this.
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  Speaker 1: Never wanting to be either.
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  Speaker 4: No, no. You know, no way ever, ever. But now
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  Speaker 4: that like I sit with it and I'm experiencing all
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  Speaker 4: these different, um, beautiful layers that, uh, people have taken
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  Speaker 4: time out of their life and their abilities to put
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  Speaker 4: into this documentary. Um, it's a bit of an embarrassment
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  Speaker 4: of riches because now I get to sit here with
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  Speaker 4: a beautiful piece of art. Um, that is my truth.
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  Speaker 4: It is, it's, it's wow. It's like, I've never, it's like,
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  Speaker 4: it's my art, but it's my truth. And to have
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  Speaker 4: those really meeting in the middle, it's like, it's cool
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  Speaker 4: to be able to sit here and own this story
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  Speaker 4: in a way that I always wanted to be able
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  Speaker 4: to share it with being very proud to share these,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like nefarious, dark, wild, twisted moments is kind of,
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  Speaker 4: kind of a cool place to sit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's really, It's a very beautiful thing
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  Speaker 3: in that regard. You know, as artists, we get to,
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  Speaker 3: that's like one of the joys of being able to
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  Speaker 3: do any kind of work like this. Like you get
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  Speaker 3: true healing, I think, from actually being able to put
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  Speaker 3: it into some.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of art.
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  Speaker 3: And I felt very moved by that with this movie,
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  Speaker 3: that you're able to maintain, true to form, this real
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  Speaker 3: sense of humor about everything within the truly tragic heart
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  Speaker 3: of this. And I just love your relationship with your
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  Speaker 3: sister in the film. It seems so clear that you
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  Speaker 3: two not only share a real similar sense of humor,
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  Speaker 3: but there seems to be a real closeness there.
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  Speaker 5: Was she a big support for you through all of this?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Courtney is the heart of the film. And when
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  Speaker 4: you hear Courtney and I laugh, oh, making my sister laugh,
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  Speaker 4: being able to lean on each other during that time,
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  Speaker 4: she was going through something really, a real personal hardship
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  Speaker 4: that the place today, I don't like have anger, but
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  Speaker 4: the place that still, uh, gets me is the abandonment
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  Speaker 4: of his sister at that time. You know, he did
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  Speaker 4: this thing and, you know, yeah, he stole money and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot that can be said about that.
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  Speaker 4: But like what he did to his son and my
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  Speaker 4: sister is like that to this moment still instigates a
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  Speaker 4: lot of feelings. But Courtney, um, you know, in my,
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  Speaker 4: in my life away from anything documentary related, like she
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  Speaker 4: was the person who was like the buoy to hold
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  Speaker 4: on to. She's true. She's true compassion. She is so
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  Speaker 4: much of my mother who, if you'd met my mother,
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  Speaker 4: she was just a person that made you feel, you know,
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  Speaker 4: at your lowest moment, my mom could help identify what
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  Speaker 4: your highlight real moment could be. Courtney does that. I
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  Speaker 4: say all the time and it's kind of a half joke,
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  Speaker 4: but true. If you met her right now and we
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  Speaker 4: all talked for two hours, you might say at the
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  Speaker 4: end of that two hour conversation, well, Courtney, give me
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  Speaker 4: your number, Dane. It was nice to meet you, and
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  Speaker 4: I hope we cross paths. But you'd be like, you
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  Speaker 4: want Courtney.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we want her on the speed dial.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we knew this was a nightmare. We knew
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  Speaker 4: full tilt, it went from a nice day to an
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  Speaker 4: avalanche of horrible, humiliating, you know, we're talking about some
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  Speaker 4: dark twisted elements that we can't even cover in the
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  Speaker 4: doc from the, the level of, you know, legally you can't,
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  Speaker 4: some things legally I can't. And, and some things were
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  Speaker 4: just the tentacles of this story. It would have been
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  Speaker 4: too long. It was already like, you know, this, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's a toe tapper for two hours. And luckily, fortunately
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  Speaker 4: it feels like people are enjoying it, even though it's,
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  Speaker 4: we're in a fast paced day and age, but people
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  Speaker 4: seem to be enjoying it throughout.
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  Speaker 2: Um, yes, we know there's enjoyable because it's also hard
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  Speaker 2: to watch. And so very sad. My question is one
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  Speaker 2: of our, my questions is, do you think he's watched it?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Daryl's watched it? And would you want
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  Speaker 2: him to, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the trailer obviously is the only thing that's
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  Speaker 4: been out there at this point. Um, You know, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what kind of person he really is. I
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  Speaker 4: really don't know. I don't know if he's the kind
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  Speaker 4: of person... I looked into the eyes of a guy
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  Speaker 4: in that courtroom that day as I was reading the
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  Speaker 4: impact letter, and I was three feet away from the
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  Speaker 4: guy that I hugged a million times and celebrated shows with.
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  Speaker 2: And he.
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  Speaker 4: There was nothing. And when I say... It wasn't just
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  Speaker 4: an ambivalence. It was like... Soulless? Yeah, like like he
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  Speaker 4: finally revealed, you know, I read a book, great book
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  Speaker 4: called Confessions of a Sociopath.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: If you're familiar.
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  Speaker 4: And man, that really was very telling because I started
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  Speaker 4: seeing some of the behaviors, learning about megalomania and some
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  Speaker 4: of the, you know, things that I've been able to
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  Speaker 4: listen to and sort of like the elements that, that
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  Speaker 4: I understand that might be by way of my brother.
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  Speaker 4: I think people will have to make their own determinations
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  Speaker 4: watching the doc. I don't know if he'll watch it.
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  Speaker 4: I know that I'm very close.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you want to?
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  Speaker 4: I don't, I mean, it's not, it's not a prerequisite.
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  Speaker 4: It's not. The only thing I wanted to do was
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  Speaker 4: share it. I knew that if I got through the
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  Speaker 4: entire sharing, that the rest isn't really up to me
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  Speaker 4: where it goes, who sees it. Would I ever be here?
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  Speaker 4: Talk about, I did the part for me, which was like,
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  Speaker 4: paint the, paint the painting, know that it's, you're not
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  Speaker 4: taking anything out of the room. You're leaving it on
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  Speaker 4: the canvas. And so everything else now is just me
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  Speaker 4: on the journey. I'm following it. So we'll, we'll have,
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  Speaker 4: we'll have to see. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I, I wanted to say on a personal note, I,
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  Speaker 3: I had an experience that is nothing like this. I
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  Speaker 3: had a manager that I worked with for many years
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  Speaker 3: who embezzled over $ 100, 000 for me that I'm aware of.
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  Speaker 3: And when I found that out, I'm getting that feeling
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  Speaker 3: in my body.
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  Speaker 5: I was so.
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  Speaker 3: And he had befriended me. He had become part of
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  Speaker 3: my family in this sort of manipulated... manipulative way that
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  Speaker 3: I didn't realize how dependent upon him I had become
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  Speaker 3: and how trusting of him I was. And it like
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  Speaker 3: the fury that I felt and the embarrassment and the, like,
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  Speaker 3: it's just, there's so many feelings. So when watching this,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I can't even imagine the depth of this
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  Speaker 3: for you, you know, because it's so personal and so
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  Speaker 3: much more extreme. How did you feel like at what
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  Speaker 3: point did you realize or feel like you were ready
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  Speaker 3: to actually talk about it in a deep public way
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  Speaker 3: like this?
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I appreciate you sharing that. And
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that people have wanted to not only been
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  Speaker 4: sharing their stories, but believe it or not, some people
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  Speaker 4: that are the harbinger of those stories are reaching out
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  Speaker 4: to me.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Which, yeah, talk about like breaking news. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's almost providing permission for people that are on the
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  Speaker 4: other side of it to be finding in their own
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  Speaker 4: kind of comeuppance of like how they want to recalibrate. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from my ex manager who is
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  Speaker 3: still very much functioning and has done this to many
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  Speaker 3: people and somehow has continued to work.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when you put things like that out into
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  Speaker 4: the world, it's kind of amazing the way it does
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  Speaker 4: cooperate and collaborate. So it's like, you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: that being able to receive stories from people and understand
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  Speaker 4: that you can take the worst elements of your life,
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  Speaker 4: the things that I call hull-crush depth. In submarine talk,
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  Speaker 4: that's where you've gone past the point of you're no
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  Speaker 4: longer safe in this mode of transport. Hull-crush depth is
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  Speaker 4: what I felt. Because I was also a person who
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  Speaker 4: was very public. And I also was a kid who
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  Speaker 4: dealt with a lot of feelings of humiliation and self-loathing.
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  Speaker 4: So to have all of that sort of come back
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  Speaker 4: publicly and then feel like it really, I lost myself.
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  Speaker 4: I really lost myself in that moment. Forget about funds.
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  Speaker 4: I lost who I was. I lost my voice. I
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  Speaker 4: lost narrative. I lost trust. Um, and, uh, and so
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  Speaker 4: when that starts to come back into view and, and, and,
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  Speaker 4: and pieces start realigning, the thing that was the most
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  Speaker 4: mission critical for me was like, oh wait, how can
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  Speaker 4: I understand other, have that empathy and compassion? Because when
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  Speaker 4: I understand other people, it's helping me with my healing,
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  Speaker 4: but it's also helping me be a better storyteller. Not
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  Speaker 4: just for the doc as one story, but I'm finding
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  Speaker 4: this is finding its way into, uh, characters and uh
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  Speaker 4: situations that i've had the now it's like the good
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  Speaker 4: fortune of using the very bad thing that happened to
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  Speaker 4: me to potentially entertain people because i lived through it
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  Speaker 4: so i know it's a lot trust me in real
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  Speaker 4: time i'm still trying to rectify it but it it
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  Speaker 4: feels like a lot of good came from a lot
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  Speaker 4: of bad.
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  Speaker 2: Right so dane i have to ask about the wicked
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  Speaker 2: witch of the east The Wiccan.
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  Speaker 1: The Wiccan. I have to ask about Erica.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious because watching it just as a viewer, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of wanted to smack her. So I want to
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  Speaker 1: know how you feel.
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  Speaker 2: I know how you felt about her, assuming I know,
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  Speaker 2: before the documentary. Now having watched it, is there anything
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  Speaker 2: she said that.
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  Speaker 1: you believe.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, she said all of a sudden now
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  Speaker 2: she would talk to you again. I'm, I'm guessing you
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  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't want to, but anyway, tell me how you
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  Speaker 2: feel about her after the documentary.
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  Speaker 4: She's very, very keen and she's very good at, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, protecting herself. Um, and I can't say, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, like, I don't know who truly like is
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  Speaker 4: under the moniker of sociopath, but I do know one
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  Speaker 4: thing about them is they're, they're, they're, um, There's a
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  Speaker 4: scavenger mentality, and part of what they're doing, and.
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  Speaker 5: I definitely feel this of my brother.
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  Speaker 4: Is they think you're in on the take as well.
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  Speaker 4: So they're gamifying because they think that's what you're doing,
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  Speaker 4: and they're wired like that. So I think we're all
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: trying to dog eat dog each other.
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  Speaker 1: So surprised by her at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Very surprised at a lot of things in the doc.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the thing that I'm privy to that
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  Speaker 4: is covered, but not fully is like, I, I saw
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  Speaker 4: in some of the emails how she was leading the charge.
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  Speaker 4: Like I've, I've learned more about global economics just by
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  Speaker 4: way of where they knew they could go and hide money.
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  Speaker 4: So if anybody ever wants to crash course in where
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  Speaker 4: your money might be outside of the continental United States,
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: like ding, ding, ding, I'm your guy. Um, and that
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  Speaker 4: was a lot of her due diligence. And so very keen,
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  Speaker 4: very cunning. And I watched somebody who, and again, imagine
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  Speaker 4: I'm watching her now in this documentary and two things
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  Speaker 4: are resonating. One is I, I, I remember a lot
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  Speaker 4: of dealing with you one-on-one in our home and how
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  Speaker 4: impossible sometimes you were to deal with. But two, I'm,
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually, she gives good documentary.
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  Speaker 3: When she's speaking about going to Florida to, to give,
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  Speaker 3: bring the money to invest in that, that was a
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  Speaker 3: part of essentially this.
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  Speaker 4: Vacuum cleaner bag.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: She says at one point when the, the, um, one
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  Speaker 3: of the producers asks, you know, well, what were you
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  Speaker 3: trying to do? Oh, well, I wanted to make him stop.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought, what did she just say? She's the
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  Speaker 3: one doing it. She's not making Daryl do anything. It
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  Speaker 3: was like she uses language in a way. It's so
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  Speaker 3: nefarious and so specific. I was like, wait a second.
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  Speaker 3: She's making us subliminally think she's doing something good when
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  Speaker 3: you could have stopped yourself from bringing this money that
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  Speaker 3: was not yours. to invest, to make money for yourself.
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  Speaker 4: On that road trip, she also, not in the documentary,
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  Speaker 4: and this is where there's so many tentacles of this story,
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  Speaker 4: and I'll sort of tell you what else I've learned,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: but on the way down I-95, she stopped at a
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: high-end sunglasses. She bought a pair of $ 500 sunglasses on
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: that trip to deliver that vacuum bag of money, not
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: knowing that a sting was in play, and she was
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: about to be cuffed and stuffed in the back of a,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you know, squad car. But it's funny.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Oh my God.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: When I think about it, I don't think about the
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: 500,000 in the vacuum cleaner bag. I'm like, she stopped
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: and bought herself a $ 500 pair of glasses as well.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: It's like, ooh.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Well, when you make like the narrative version of this,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: that's going to be a great moment in the movie.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: It might very well be. I hope enough people want
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: to watch it and it gives it legs. So from
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: your lips to whoever's listening's ears.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're not going to have a problem.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You know, she got the same sentence basically. I mean,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you know, he got out so early as he did.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And it feels to me, although that seems like they.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Both did a short, very brief.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you, if you felt okay about
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that three years, I don't know, but I think that
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: there was maybe some justice in the fact that they
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: both served the same amount of time. She was, you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: a full participant in, At least that's what we, I
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: believe that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And I think you do too. And she got what
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: he got. I mean, was that something you felt good about?
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I'll say this. There was one thing that brought me
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: a bit of a chuckle, which is there was some
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: kind of clerical error in her sentencing. And she actually
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: served an extra year that she didn't need to by mistake.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Get out.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Kidding wow that's that's just divine providence right there yeah and.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: She didn't need to so fabulous.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah no i i listen i'm i'm a firm believer
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: in um you know this is in this has been
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: my philosophy and even though i sort of needed to um,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: pick myself up and, and, and recalibrate and figure out
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: really like where I am in the world and in
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: my career. I don't believe anything's ever falling apart. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: really believe anything, everything is falling together. And I, I
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: live my life by that. And if you choose to
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: stop with the, uh, With the shards and the pieces,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: then you're going to have a long life of, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: staring at that. But I really think that if you
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: can sort of own the things that happen to you
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: as bad as they are and put up a win
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: with them, that's truly where you go. Like, oh, I,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: you know, I wouldn't have this great life, great wife,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: great career and a beautiful piece of, you know, documentary
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: to share with the world if I didn't go through
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: this terrible thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I'm so curious if you can talk about that a
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: little bit more because you cover it in the movie,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: that moment or the period of moments where you understand
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: that your brother has taken all of your money and
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: has totally betrayed you. And then you get to this
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: place where you pick yourself back up and call the
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: venues to set up concerts and do all those things.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: That in-between period how did you do that?
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Like, was it, were you just.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I watched a lot of true crime documentaries. I sort
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: of went back to that, but now I'm on the
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: couch going, yeah, me too. No, I, I, you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I think that what you're saying is like, what did
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I do during the interim of life?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Like how long was that? And how did you literally
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: get yourself back up?
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: It was like, Well, a lot of things, like I said,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: it happened. It was also I was no longer in
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: vogue and I was coming. I wasn't getting busier. In fact,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I was sort of like having to reinvent anyway. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: so it was and then I'm being thrust into that
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: because now I'm like dealing with the personal stuff. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: I really don't know where my friends are in an
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: industry that's, you know, very, very of today.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: You're either on the hot list or the no list. Um, and,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: and really it's kind of funny, like sidebar to that is, um, see,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I speak in court terms now. It's like after, uh,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I think that just by way of understanding, like the,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: the best parts of, of, um, our life are when
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: you're sharing things that are actual and true and real,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: because then you find, you don't just find an audience,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: but you also find like-minded people that's good for health
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: and wellness as well.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: That connection it's, it's developing true, connection.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: It was a lot of writing. It was a lot
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: of writing. I, I wrote, uh, actually wrote a book
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: that I thought initially would come out, uh, before this,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: that hopefully now that I finished it will come out
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: next year. That kind of covers a little bit more
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: of my brother and I, but then just, uh, self-actualizing
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: and philosophy and some of the other, maybe even nefarious
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: parts of just this business. And it's a, it's a, uh,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: a different kind of story, but In that time, in
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: those few years where I was really like, I guess
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: you would say like ass out. I'm just like, ugh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I don't really know where I belong. I really don't
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: know where I belong. And I guess that was the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: beginning of really wanting to, seven levels of grief and
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I got to really start it and go through the process.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: I have to start doing some group meetings and meeting
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: with other people that have, and by the way, what
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I learned was you said, Um, you know, I've gone
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: through this experience, not as great as yours, but it
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: is as great as mine. It's equally as important and impactful,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: the thing that happened to you. And I've now shared
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: space with people that have had, we've had a myriad
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: of things. They all matter equally in just as much.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: And we can help each other through these, uh, sometimes
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: fun experiences of the things you get to cover and
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: talk about. But there's always something or someone in these
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: stories that it's tragic. It's not entertaining, maybe either not yet,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: maybe even not ever. So I kind of feel like
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the simpatico here, and even though the sheen is the
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: fun and the alluring, and there is that, it's fascinating,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: fame and betrayal and murder. But when you're really on
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: the receiving end of that, you start to understand that like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: oh man, my place now in the world is I've
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: been the recipient of a story that even though it's
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: in rare air, everyone's interested either as an audience member
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: or there's a lot of people looking for kinship. And
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: now I have a kinship with more people. And I
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: learned in that time that kind of tough, rough story. Uh,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: time when I, nobody's calling me and nobody's hiring and, oh,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: been there, done that. We know the, we know him
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: in that time. I really learned about other people that
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: didn't care if my had a movie or they just
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: cared about one foot in front of the other, getting
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: back on their feet, building a new framework for their life.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: So now I have two lanes. I've got comedy and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: entertainment and I can't wait to get back to work.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: And man, I really do want to get back to
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: work in a greater capacity. But I have this other
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: thing that's very meaningful to me, which is connecting with
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: these stories and finding my way in this whole other genre.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like you just gave us, that's why
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: we do these. For me, that's why I do this
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: podcast in the first place. This is not about exploiting
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: people's pain or doing anything. It's about these are human
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: things that real human beings have done. And there are
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: people that have suffered from it and people who have
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: chosen to continue their lives and utilize that experience as
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: this is now a part of my experience and how
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: can I move forward?
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: How can I help other people?
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: How can it enhance my life in a real way?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: So I love that you said that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when people do understand that like, When
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: a painful thing happens, especially if it's an extraordinary story,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: then it's okay to steep in the idea that it
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: is entertaining. It's entertaining, but not always for the sort
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: of like surfacy pithy. It's entertaining because in the back
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: of our mind, we might be like, I think that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: my life. I think maybe I need to uncover. I
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: think I need to ask better questions of the people
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: around me. I think our audience, it's not just the salacious,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: even though, sure, it's sometimes that as well. But I
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: try to tell people when I have the good fortune
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: of like, just a, you know. chess match of a conversation.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I try to say, it's okay to like realize that yes,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: your story feels sensational and you want to think people
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: just want to hear my story for clicks in numbers.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: But the truth is there's a lot of people that
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: if they hear your story are going to connect with
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: you and you might actually be helping somebody.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. There are so many lessons in the documentary.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm curious about the lesson of managing money. And, well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: how hard is it for you now to trust that
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the people who you're working.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: With are handling your money honestly? And then also.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: A lesson in terms of I have a feeling that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you're probably very on top of what comes and goes
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: out of your bank account now.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But is that, you know.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure obviously that has changed, but people must really
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: appreciate that because I'm guessing and maybe a lot of
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Hollywood people specifically, you know, trust blindly. And I'm guessing
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: that's changed for you.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually one thing I'll say about tech, like
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: the world we live in now. There really are so
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: many like safety nets and things that you can toggle
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: to get your own updates to, you know, to be
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: able to check in on your whatever finances or people
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: participating with you on any kind of venture. So back
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: then it was more like, you know, a paper trail.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: With a little bit of internet. So the good thing is.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: I would say to most people today. You can ask
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: for the app. And you can log into. And it's
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: not as overwhelming. As I once thought it was. But also. The.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: The ability. To. Communicate with people. In the way that
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I do now. The business people. That I surround myself with.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: And the understanding that when we're, when I'm communicating with
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: my team now, and by the way, my wife, once again,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: like an incredibly prolific and smart person when it comes
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: to all things, you know, economy and being able to
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: share and know that like, you know what, you can,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: you can build something, you can share with somebody that
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: you trust and you can trust yourself in those. You
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: don't have to be a BC college graduate to give
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: yourself permission to go like, I don't necessarily know all
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: these things, but I'm coming into some money or I'm
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: coming into some, I'm interpreting this as some kind of
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: power that I have. Help me to be able to
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: funnel this properly. But lastly, the most important thing that
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I was kind of excited to share with your question
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: is like, when you ask people questions about your finances,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: about trust, anybody who gets upset that you're just asking
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: a question is waving a little invisible red flag because
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: people that love you don't get upset when you ask
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: a question that you're unsure of.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I think this is precisely women who probably give up
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: their power. And I'm not, you know, it's not just women.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But that's sort of what occurs to me that the
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: women watching who bury their head in the sand when
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: it comes to finances and trust.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: But I think that's such a good lesson.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: If if the person who's managing your money doesn't want
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: to talk about it, that's.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: That is precisely what happened with my manager. Because he
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: would say to me, Eddie, he would call me Eddie. Eddie,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: just like, yeah, that's not your business. You know what's
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: going on.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: You're overreacting. You're overreacting. What are you talking about?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: And he would make these jokes like, oh, yeah, you're
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: going to put a pool in my backyard with this
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: show and this and that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: And meanwhile, I quite literally did.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: But it was this dismissal of when I would ask
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: questions about things. And I was made to feel like,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that's not your area. Just go and go and act,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: go and do, you know what, what you're getting paid
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I hope people are hearing us say this because
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: you can ask the questions. You can put questions even
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: in writing. If you're like, Oh, I'm a, I'm not
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: a confrontational. Trust me. Even you, you, you'll get an
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: email back with somebody saying like, we don't need to
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: go over these things now. Like if somebody is not
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: willing to just answer your questions and sort of help
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: you understand something, then that's all the answers that you
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: need right there. That's the beginning of goodbye.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: And you talked about I think you believe that he
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: was really managing your business, that he was savvy in
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: some way. And I think about just my own my
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: husband is he was an accountant.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Now he's an attorney. I trust him implicitly. But guess what?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I have the financial manager's phone number, too. And at
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: any point I have given him a buzz and no
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: one's going to argue with me about it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: And that's sort of, it's learned.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think at the beginning of my marriage, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: was like that. At some point, I've heard enough stories,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: yours is so powerful, about blind trust. And I don't
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: think my husband would ever screw me, but it is
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: my responsibility to know about my finances. And I think
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that is going to be very impactful, that part of
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: this documentary.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: I hope so. I really do. Because, yeah, I feel
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: like not everybody has. Listen, I got blessed and I
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: had good fortune that my fans showed up for me
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: at a time that, you know, was a terrible housing
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: crisis and everybody was pinching pennies. Yeah. provided me that
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: safety net in that moment to like, keep my, keep
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: a nest egg to, to save my house. Not everybody's
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: going to have that chance. Some people are going to
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: make good on that one, uh, big win and go,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: now I'm going to try to put this into it. Another, uh, endeavor.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's the money you need to make your actual
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: dream come true. So it's like, I implore people like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: you know, ask the questions, you know, always get things
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: in writing no matter what. And, uh, and, the gut
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: is still gold. You trust your gut. You know, even,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: even my gut, I knew things were hinky, but you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: and I, and I make light of it in some sense,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: sometimes in my, in my comedy and maybe even in
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: the doc, you saw this. It's like, I jokingly say like,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: if you're ever going to betray, betray with love, it's
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: the best card.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: You can play.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: What do you mean?
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Right. It's like people that are going to betray, if
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: they're going to betray you, The love betrayal is the
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: card they want to play because to have somebody put
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: their hand on your shoulder and say, I believe in you,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: it's an instantaneous way of finding that deeper connection. So
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: to that person who's hearing me say this, you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: when the hand goes on your shoulder. If that person
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: really loves you, well, then they've given you the open opportunity.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: You can ask any questions and you can say, I
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: got a weird feeling about something. And they're going to
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: love you more by actually wanting to grow the relationship
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: by asking questions that we all should be asking sometimes
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: to the people that we share our security and safety with.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Amen.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Amen.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I have one silly, silly question for the end.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, those are my favorites.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Do you ever worry about running into Daryl?
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: No.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like running into Gelson's and there he is buying,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: you know, some lettuce.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I've thought of it, you know, and I would be
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: prepared for that. You know, I did put out the
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: ask for the documentary of like, I would like to
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: sit with you. I would like to sit across from
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: you and let's, you know, let's share this story together
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: because regardless of how you see the people in the stock,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: you know, I... it's a celebration as well of the
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: love that I had for my brother and the rapport
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: that we did have.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Very much so, that comes across.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: So that's still the guy too, you know, and I
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: love his son. I love my nephew and I still
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: am very close with my nephew and he looks like
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: my brother and he laughs like my brother. And he's
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: a good man. And I'm glad that we never, you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: let that Get between us, even though I'm sure it's,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: it's very difficult. Uh, I I've heard it's sometimes difficult on,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: on his side of the family. Um, but that being said,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: I would not have a problem. I might be like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: you know, like, holy, wow. I can't believe I'm in
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: front of them, but I, I would be ready to
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: communicate anything.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, you have done really good work.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I haven't been portrayed by my brother, but
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I have learned a lot from watching this documentary and
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I have laughed and I have felt very sad for you.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So it's all the good things.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: It's incredibly well made for sure.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: And I know it's going to be we know it's
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: going to be huge. So congratulations to you, friend. Wow.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: That really means a lot. Thank you for having me here.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: And let's part to this. Let's, you know, I'll wait
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: for my own endeavor. Maybe we'll get to do this
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: again down the line.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Let's do it. We love it.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: We love it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Best of luck with everything.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: And I hope this is a, like a really enjoyable
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: and healing experience for you. The whole.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: More like this. It will continue to be. So I
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: appreciate you.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Awesome.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Dane.